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CONTENTS
Our Progress
NOTES:— Page
Sir E. Dering's Household Book, by Rev. Lambert B. Larking 130
Berkeley's Theory of Vision, by Rev. J.H. Todd 131
Bishop Barnaby 131
Mathematical Archæology 132
Song in Style of Suckling, &c. 133
Gothic Architecture 134
Dr. Burney's Musical Works, by E.F. Rimbault 135
Ancient Alms' Basins, by Dr. Bell 135
Minor Notes:—Prince Madoc—St. Barnabas—Register of
Cromwell's Baptism—The Times—Rowland Monoux—Wassail Song
136
—Portrait of Charles I.—Autograph Mottoes of Richard Duke of
Gloucester and Henry Duke of Buckingham
Notes in answer to Queries:—Lord Erksine's Brooms—Scarborough
138
Warning—Gray's Elegy—Coffee, the Lacedæmonian Black Broth
QUERIES:—
The Last of the Villains, by E. Smirke 139
The Dore of Holy Scripture 139
Turner's MS. History of Westminster 140
Talisman of Charlemagne 140
Dick Shore, Isle of Dogs, &c. 141
Minor Queries:—The Strand Maypole—To Fettle—Greek Verse—Dr.
Dee's Petition—Vondel's Lucifer—Discurs Modest—Ptolemy of
142
Alexandria—Vanbrugh's London Improvements—Becket's Grace-
Cup—Sir Herbert's Office-Book
MISCELLANEOUS:—
Books and Odd Volumes wanted 143

Notices to Correspondents 143
Advertisements 144

OUR PROGRESS
We have this week been called upon to take a step which neither our best
friends nor our own hopes could have anticipated. Having failed in our
endeavours to supply by other means the increasing demand for complete
sets of our "NOTES AND QUERIES," we have been compelled to reprint
the first four numbers.

It is with no slight feelings of pride and satisfaction that we record the fact
of a large impression of a work like the present not having been sufficient to
meet the demand,—a work devoted not to the witcheries of poetry or to the
charms of romance, but to the illustration of matters of graver import, such
as obscure points of national history, doubtful questions of literature and
bibliography, the discussion of questionable etymologies, and the
elucidation of old world customs and observances.

What Mr. Kemble lately said so well with reference to archæology, our
experience justifies us in applying to other literary inquiries:—

"On every side there is evidence of a generous and earnest co-
operation among those who have devoted themselves to special
pursuits; and not only does this tend of itself to widen the general
basis, but it supplies the individual thinker with an ever widening
foundation for his own special study."

And whence arises this "earnest co-operation?" Is it too much to hope that it
springs from an increased reverence for the Truth, from an intenser craving
after a knowledge of it—whether such Truth regards an event on which a
throne depended, or the etymology of some household word now familiar
only to

"Hard-handed men who work in Athens here?"

We feel that the kind and earnest men who honour our "NOTES AND
QUERIES" with their correspondence, hold with Bacon, that

"Truth, which only doth judge itself, teacheth that the inquiry of Truth,
which is the love-making or wooing of it—the knowledge of Truth,
which is the presence of it—and the belief of Truth, which is the
enjoying of it—is the sovereign good of human nature."

We believe that it is under the impulse of such feelings that they have
flocked to our columns—that the sentiment has found its echo in the breast
of the public, and hence that success which has attended our humble efforts.
The cause is so great, that we may well be pardoned if we boast that we
have had both hand and heart in it.

And so, with all the earnestness and heartiness which befit this happy
season, when

"No spirit stirs abroad;
The nights are wholesome; when no planet strikes,
No fairy takes, no witch hath power to charm,
So hallow'd and so gracious is the time,"

do we greet all our friends, whether contributors or readers, with the good
old English wish,

A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

SIR E. DERING'S HOUSEHOLD BOOK.

The muniment chests of our old established families are seldom without
their quota of "household books." Goodly collections of these often turn up,
with records of the expenditure and the "doings" of the household, through
a period of two or more centuries. These documents are of incalculable
value in giving us a complete insight into the domestic habits of our
ancestors. Many a note is there, well calculated to illustrate the pages of the
dramatist or the biographer, and even the accuracy of the historian's
statements may often be tested by some of the details which find their way
into these accounts; as for the more peculiar province of the antiquary, there
is always a rich store of materials. Every change of costume is there; the
introduction of new commodities, new luxuries, and new fashions, the

varying prices of the passing age. Dress in all its minute details, modes of
travelling, entertainments, public and private amusements, all, with their
cost, are there: and last, though not least, touches of individual character
ever and anon present themselves with the force of undisguised and
undeniable truth. Follow the man through his pecuniary transactions with
his wife and children, his household, his tenantry, nay, with himself, and
you have more of his real character than the biographer is usually able to
furnish. In this view, a man's "household book" becomes an impartial
autobiography.

I would venture to suggest that a corner of your paper might sometimes be
profitably reserved for "notes" from these household books; there can be
little doubt that your numerous readers would soon furnish you with
abundant contributions of most interesting matter.

While suggesting the idea, there happens to lie open before me the account-
book of the first Sir Edward Dering, commencing with the day on which he
came of age, when, though his father was still living, he felt himself an
independent man.

One of his first steps, however, was to qualify this independence by
marriage. If family tradition be correct, he was as heedless and impetuous
in this the first important step of his life, as he seems to have been in his
public career. The lady was Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Nicholas Tufton,
afterwards created Earl of Thanet.

In almost the first page of his account-book he enters all the charges of this
marriage, the different dresses he provided, his wedding presents, &c. As to
his bride, the first pleasing intelligence which greeted the young knight,
after passing his pledge to take her for "richer for poorer," was, that the
latter alternative was his. Sir Nicholas had jockied the youth out of the
promised "trousseau," and handed over his daughter to Sir Edward, with
nothing but a few shillings in her purse. She came unfurnished with even
decent apparel, and her new lord had to supply her forthwith with necessary
clothing. In a subsequent page, when he comes to detail the purchases
which he was, in consequence, obliged to make for his bride, he gives full
vent to his feelings on this niggardly conduct of the father, and, in recording

the costs of his own outfit, his very first words have a smack of bitterness in
them, which is somewhat ludicrous—

"Medio de donte leporum
Surgit amari aliquid."

He seems to sigh over his own folly and vanity in preparing a gallant bridal
for one who met it so unbecomingly.

"1619.

"My DESPERATE quarter! the 3d quarter from Michaelmas unto New
Year's Day.

5 yards quarter of scarlett coloured satten for a doublett, and
4£. 4s.
to line my cassocke, at 16s. per yard,
5 yards halfe of fine scarlett, at 55s. per yard, to make hose
14£.
cassocke and cloake [sic]
7 yards dim of blacke rich velvett, att 24s. per yard, 9£.
22 ounces of blacke galloune lace 2£. 15s.
Taffaty to line the doublett 17s.
5 [sic] grosse of buttons, at 8s. the grosse 1£. 4s.
pinkinge and racing the doublett, and lininge of ye copell 8s.
ffor embrioderinge doublett, copell, and scarfe, 2£. 10s.
5 dozen of small buttons 1s. 8d.
Stickinge and sowing silke 14s.
ffor cuttinge ye scallops 2s.
holland to line the hose 5s. 6d.
Dutch bays for the hose 4s. 6d.
Pocketts to ye hose 10d.
2 dozen of checker riband pointes 12s.
drawinge ye peeces in ye suite and cloake 5s.
canvas and stiffninge to ye doublett 3s. 6d.
ffor makinge ye doublett and hose 18s.

making ye copell 1£. 8s.
making ye cloake 9s.
Sum of this suite 40£. 2s."

I must not occupy more of your space this week by extending these
extracts. If likely to supply useful "notes" to your readers, they shall have,
in some future number, the remainder of the bridegroom's wardrobe. In
whatever niggardly array the bride came to her lord's arms, he, at least, was
pranked and decked in all the apparel of a young gallant, an exquisite of the
first water, for this was only one of several rich suits which he provided for
his marriage outfit; and then follows a list of costly gloves and presents, and
all the lavish outlay of this his "desperate quarter."

In some future number, too, if acceptable to your readers, you shall be
furnished with a list of other and better objects of expenditure from this
household book; for Sir Edward, albeit, as Clarendon depicts him, the
victim of his own vanity, was worthy of better fame than is yet been his lot
to acquire.

He was a most accomplished scholar and a learned antiquary. He had his
foibles, it is true, but they were redeemed by qualities of high and enduring
excellence. The eloquence of his parliamentary speeches has elicited the
admiration of Southey; to praise them therefore now were superfluous. The
noble library which he formed at Surrenden, and the invaluable collection
of charters which he amassed there, during his unhappily brief career,
testify to his ardour in literary pursuits. The library and a large part of the
MSS. are unhappily dispersed. Of the former, all that remains to tell of what
it once was, are a few scattered notices among the family records, and the
titles of books, with their cost, as they are entered in the weekly accounts of
our "household book." Of the latter there yet remain a few thousand
charters and rolls, some of them of great interest, with exquisite seals
attached. I shall be able occasionally to send you a few "notes" on these
heads, from the "household book," and, in contemplating the remains of this
unrivalled collection of its day, I can well bespeak the sympathy of every
true-hearted "Chartist" and Bibliographer, in the lament which has often
been mine—"Quanta fuisti cum tantæ sint reliquiæ!"

LAMBERT B. LARKING.

Ryarsh Vicarage, Dec. 12. 1849.

BERKELEY'S THEORY OF VISION VINDICATED.

In reply to the query of "B.G." (p. 107. of your 7th No.), I beg to say that
Bishop Berkeley's Theory of Vision Vindicated does not occur either in the
4to. or 8vo. editions of his collected works; but there is a copy of it in the
library of Trinity College, Dublin, from which I transcribe the full title as
follows:—

"The Theory of Vision, or Visual Language, shewing the immediate
Presence and Providence of a Deity, vindicated and explained. By the
author of Alciphron, or The Minute Philosopher.

"Acts, xvii. 28.

"In Him we live, and move, and have our being.

"Lond. Printed for J. Tonson in the Strand.

"MDCCXXXIII."

Some other of the author's tracts have also been omitted in his collected
works; but, as I am now answering "a Query," and not making "a Note," I
shall reserve what I might say of them for another opportunity. The memory
of Berkeley is dear to every member of this University; and therefore I hope
you will permit me to say one word, in defence of his character, against
Dugald Stewart's charge of having been "provoked," by Lord Shaftesbury's
Characteristics, "to a harshness equally unwonted and unwarranted."

Mr. Stewart can scarcely suppose to have seen the book upon which he
pronounces this most "unwarranted" criticism. The tract was not written in
reply to the Characteristics, but was an answer to an anonymous letter
published in the Daily Post-Boy of September 9th, 1732, which letter
Berkeley has reprinted at the end of his pamphlet. The only allusion to the

writer of this letter which bears the slightest tinge of severity occurs at the
commencement of the tract. Those who will take the trouble of perusing the
anonymous letter, will see that it was richly deserved; and I think it can
scarcely, with any justice, be censured as unbecomingly harsh, or in any
degree unwarranted. The passage is as follows:—

[After mentioning that an ill state of health had prevented his noticing
this letter sooner, the author adds,] "This would have altogether
excused me from a controversy upon points either personal or purely
speculative, or from entering the lists of the declaimers, whom I leave
to the triumph of their own passions. And indeed, to one of this
character, who contradicts himself and misrepresents me, what answer
can be made more than to desire his readers not to take his word for
what I say, but to use their own eyes, read, examine, and judge for
themselves? And to their common sense I appeal."

The remainder of the tract is occupied with a philosophical discussion of
the subject of debate, in a style as cool and as free from harshness as
Dugald Stewart could desire, and containing, as far as I can see, nothing
inconsistent with the character of him, who was described by his
contemporaries as the possessor of "every virtue under heaven."

JAMES H. TODD.

Trin. Coll. Dublin, Dec. 20. 1849.

BISHOP BARNABY.

Mr. Editor,—Allow me, in addition to the Note inserted in your 4th
Number, in answer to the Query of LEGOUR, by your correspondent (and I
believe my friend) J.G., to give the following extract from Forby's
Vocabulary of East Anglia:—

"Bishop Barnabee-s. The pretty insect more generally called the Lady-
bird, or May-bug. It is one of those highly favoured among God's
harmless creatures which superstition protects from wanton injury.
Some obscurity seems to hang over this popular name of it. It has

certainly no more relation to the companion of St. Paul than to drunken
Barnaby, though some have supposed it has. It is sometimes called
Bishop Benebee, which may possibly have been intended to mean the
blessed bee; sometimes Bishop Benetree, of which it seems not
possible to make any thing. The name has most probably been derived
from the Barn-Bishop; whether in scorn of that silly and profane
mockery, or in pious commemoration of it, must depend on the time of
its adoption, before or since the Reformation; and it is not worth
inquiring. The two words are transposed, and bee annexed as being
perhaps thought more seemly in such a connection than fly-bug or
beetle. The dignified ecclesiastics in ancient times wore brilliant
mixtures of colours in their habits. Bishops had scarlet and black, as
this insect has on its wing-covers. Some remains of the finery of the
gravest personages still exist on our academical robes of ceremony.
There is something inconsistent with the popish episcopal character in
the childish rhyme with which Bishop Barnabee is thrown up and
dismissed when he happens to light on any one's hand. Unluckily the
words are not recollected, nor at present recoverable; but the purport of
them is to admonish him to fly home, and take care of his wife and
children, for that his house in on fire. Perhaps, indeed, the rhyme has
been fabricated long since the name by some one who did not think of
such niceties."

G.A.C.

Sir,—In the explanation of the term Bishop Barnaby, given by J.G., the
prefix "Bishop" seems yet to need elucidation. Why should it not have
arisen from the insect's garb? The full dress gown of the Oxford D.D.—
scarlet with black velvet sleeves—might easily have suggested the idea of
naming the little insect "Dr. Burn bug," and the transition is easy to "Dr.
Burnabee," or "Bishop Burnaby." These little insects, in the winter,
congregate by thousands in barns for their long slumber till the
reappearance of genial weather, and it is not impossible that, from this
circumstance, the country people may have designated them "Barn bug," or
"Barn bee."

L.B.L.

Sir,—I cannot inform LEGOUR why the lady-bird (the seven-spotted,
Coccinella Septempunctata, is the most common) is called in some places
"Bishop Barnaby." This little insect is sometimes erroneously accused of
destroying turnips and peas in its larva state; but, in truth, both in the larva
and perfect state it feeds exclusively on aphides. I do not know that it visits
dairies, and Tusser's "Bishop that burneth," may allude to something else;
still there appears some popular connection of the Coccinellidæ with cows
as well as burning, for in the West Riding of Yorkshire they are called Cush
Cow Ladies; and in the North Riding one of the children's rhymes anent
them runs:—

"Dowdy-cow, dowdy-cow, ride away heame,
Thy1 house is burnt, and thy bairns are tean,
And if thou means to save thy bairns
Take thy wings and flee away!"

The most mischievous urchins are afraid to hurt the dowdy-cow, believing
if they did evil would inevitably befall them. It is tenderly placed on the
palm of the hand—of a girl, if possible—and the above rhyme recited
thrice, during which it usually spreads its wings, and at the last word flies
away. A collection of nursery rhymes relating to insects would, I think, be
useful.

W.G.M.J. BARKER.
Footnote 1:(return)

Thy is pronounced as thee.

[We have received many other communications respecting the epithet of this
insect—so great a favourite with children. ALICUI and several other
correspondents incline to L.B.L.'s opinion that it takes its name from a fancied
resemblance of its bright wing-cases to the episcopal cope or chasuble. J.T.
reminds us that St. Barnabas has been distinguished of old by the title of bright,
as in the old proverbial distich intended to mark the day of his festival according
to the Old Style (21st June):—

"Barnaby bright!
The longest day and the shortest night."

While F.E. furnishes us with another and happier version of the Norfolk popular
rhyme:—

"Bishop, Bishop Barnabee,
Tell me when my wedding be;
If it be to-morrow day,
Take your wings and fly away!
Fly to the east, fly to the west,
Fly to them that I love best!"
The name which this pretty insect bears in the various languages of Europe is
clearly mythic. In this, as in other cases, the Virgin has supplanted Freya; so that
Freyjuhaena and Frouehenge have been changed into Marienvoglein, which
corresponds with Our Lady's Bird. There, can, therefore, be little doubt that the
esteem with which the lady-bird, or Our Lady's cow, is still regarded, is a relic of
the ancient cult.]

MATHEMATICAL ARCHÆOLOGY.

Sir,—I cannot gather from your "Notes" that scientific archæology is
included in your plan, nor yet, on the other hand, any indications of its
exclusion. Science, however, and especially mathematical science, has its
archæology; and many doubtful points of great importance are amongst the
"vexed questions" that can only be cleared up by documentary evidence.
That evidence is more likely to be found mixed up amongst the masses of
papers belonging to systematic collectors than amongst the papers of mere
mathematicians—amongst men who never destroy a paper because they
have no present use for it, or because the subject does not come within the
range of their researches, than amongst men who value nothing but a "new
theorem" or "an improved solution."

As a general rule I have always habituated myself to preserve every scrap of
paper of any remote (and indeed recent) period, that had the appearance of
being written by a literary man, whether I knew the hand, or understood the
circumstance to which it referred, or not. Such papers, whether we
understand them or not, have a possible value to others; and indeed, as my
collections have always been at the service of my friends, very few indeed
have been left in my hands, and those, probably, of no material value.

I wish this system were generally adopted. Papers, occasionally of great
historical importance, and very often of archæological interest, would thus
be preserved, and, what is more, used, as they would thus generally find
their way into the right hands.

There are, I fancy, few classes of papers that would be so little likely to
interest archæologists in general, as those relating to mathematics; and yet
such are not unlikely to fall in their way, often and largely, if they would
take the trouble to secure them. I will give an example or two, indicating
the kind of papers which are desiderata to the mathematical historian.

1. A letter from Dr. Robert Simson, the editor of Euclid and the restorer of
the Porisms, to John Nourse of the Strand, is missing from an otherwise
unbroken series, extending from 1 Jan. 1751 to near the close of Simson's
life. The missing letter, as is gathered from a subsequent one, is Feb. 5.
1753. A mere letter of business from an author to his publisher might not be
thought of much interest; but it need not be here enforced how much of
consistency and clearness is often conferred upon a series of circumstances
by matter which such a letter might contain. This letter, too, contains a
problem, the nature of which it would be interesting to know. It would seem
that the letter passed into the hands of Dodson, editor of the Mathematical
Repository; but what became of Dodson's papers I could never discover.
The uses, however, to which such an unpromising series of letters have
been rendered subservient may be seen in the Philosophical Magazine,
under the title of "Geometry and Geometers," Nos. ii. iii. and iv. The letters
themselves are in the hands of Mr. Maynard, Earl's Court, Leicester Square.

2. Thomas Simpson (a name venerated by every geometer) was one of the
scientific men consulted by the committee appointed to decide upon the
plans for Blackfriars Bridge, in 1759 and 1760.

"It is probable," says Dr. Hutton, in his Life of Simpson, prefixed to
the Select Exercises, 1792, "that this reference to him gave occasion to
his turning his thoughts more seriously to this subject, so as to form
the design of composing a regular treatise upon it: for his family have
often informed me that he laboured hard upon this work for some time
before his death, and was very anxious to have completed it, frequently
remarking to them that this work, when published, would procure him

more credit than any of his former publications. But he lived not to put
the finishing hand to it. Whatever he wrote upon this subject probably
fell, together with all his other remaining papers, into the hands of
Major Henry Watson, of the Engineers, in the service of the India
Company, being in all a large chest full of papers. This gentleman had
been a pupil of Mr. Simpson's, and had lodged in his house. After Mr.
Simpson's death Mr. Watson prevailed upon the widow to let him have
the papers, promising either to give her a sum of money for them, or
else to print and publish them for her benefit. But nothing of the kind
was ever done; this gentleman always declaring, when urged on this
point by myself and others, that no use could be made of any of the
papers, owing to the very imperfect state in which he said they were
left. And yet he persisted in his refusal to give them up again."

In 1780 Colonel Watson was recalled to India, and took out with him one of
the most remarkable English mathematicians of that day, Reuben Burrow.
This gentleman had been assistant to Dr. Maskelyne at the Royal
Observatory; and to his care was, in fact, committed the celebrated
Schehallien experiments and observations. He died in India, and, I believe,
all his papers which reached England, as well as several of his letters, are in
my possession. This, however, is no further of consequence in the present
matter, than to give authority to a remark I am about to quote from one of
his letters to his most intimate friend, Isaac Dalby. In this he says:
—"Colonel Watson has out here a work of Simpson's on bridges, very
complete and original."

It was no doubt by his dread of the sleepless watch of Hutton, that so
unscrupulous a person as Colonel Watson is proved to be, was deterred
from publishing Simpson's work as his own.

The desideratum here is, of course, to find what became of Colonel
Watson's papers; and then to ascertain whether this and what other writings
of Simpson's are amongst them. A really good work on the mathematical
theory of bridges, if such is ever to exist, has yet to be published. It is, at the
same time, very likely that his great originality, and his wonderful sagacity
in all his investigations, would not fail him in this; and possibly a better
work on the subject was composed ninety years ago than has yet seen the

light—involving, perhaps, the germs of a totally new and more effective
method of investigation.

I have, I fear, already trespassed too far upon your space for a single letter;
and will, therefore, defer my notice of a few other desiderata till a future
day.

T.S.D.

Shooter's Hill, Dec. 15. 1849.

SONG IN THE STYLE OF SUCKLING—THE TWO NOBLE
KINSMEN.

The song in your second number, furnished by a correspondent, and
considered to be in the style of Suckling, is of a class common enough in
the time of Charles I. George Wither, rather than Suckling, I consider as the
head of a race of poets peculiar to that age, as "Shall I wasting in Despair"
may be regarded as the type of this class of poems. The present instance I
do not think of very high merit, and certainly not good enough for Suckling.
Such as it is, however, with a few unimportant variations, it may be found
at page 101. of the 1st vol. of The Hive, a Collection of the most celebrated
Songs. My copy is the 2nd edit. London, 1724.

I will, with your permission, take this opportunity of setting Mr. Dyce right
with regard to a passage in the Two Noble Kinsmen, in which he is only less
wrong than all his predecessors. It is to be found in the second scene of the
fourth act, and is as follows:—

"Here Love himself sits smiling:
Just such another wanton Ganymede
Set Jove afire with," &c.

One editor proposed to amend this by inserting the normative "he" after
"Ganymede;" and another by omitting "with" after "afire." Mr. Dyce saw
that both these must be wrong, as a comparison between two wanton
Ganymedes, one of which sat in the coutenance of Arcite, could never have

been intended;—another, something, if not Ganymede, was wanted, and he,
therefore, has this note:—"The construction and meaning are, 'With just
such another smile (which is understood from the preceding 'smiling')
wanton Ganymede set Jove afire." When there is a choice of nouns to make
intelligible sense, how can that one be understood which is not expressed?
It might be "with just such another Love;" but, as I shall shortly show, no
conjecture on the subject is needed. The older editors were so fond of
mending passages, that they did not take ordinary pains to understand them;
and in this instance they have been so successful in sticking the epithet
"wanton" to Ganymede, that even Mr. Dyce, with his clear sight, did not see
that the very word he wanted was the next word before him. It puts one in
mind of a man looking for his spectacles who has them already across his
nose. "Wanton" is a noun as well as an adjective; and, to prevent it from
being mistaken for an epithet applied to Ganymede, it will in future be
necessary to place after it a comma, when the passage will read thus:—

"Here Love himself sits smiling.
Just such another wanton," (as the aforesaid smiling Love) "Ganymede
Set Jove afire with," &c.

The third act of the same play commences thus:—

"The duke has lost Hippolita; each took
A several land."

Mr. Dyce suspects that for "land" we should read "laund," an old form of
lawn. "Land" being either wrong, or having a sense not understood now, we
must fall back on the general sense of the passage. When people go a
hunting, and don't keep together, it is very probable that they may take a
several "direction." Now hand means "direction," as we say "to the right" or
"left hand." It is not, therefore, probable, that we should read "a several
hand?"

SAMUEL HICKSON

"GOTHIC" ARCHITECTURE

It would require more space than you could allot to the subject, to explain,
at much length, "the origin, as well as the date, of the introduction of the
term 'Gothic,' as applied to pointed styles of ecclesiastical architecture,"
required by R. Vincent, of Winchester, in your Fourth Number. There can be
no doubt that the term was used at first contemptuously, and in derision, by
those who were ambitious to imitate and revive the Grecian orders of
architecture, after the revival of classical literature. But, without citing
many authorities, such as Christopher Wren, and others, who lent their aid
in depreciating the old mediæval style, which they termed Gothic, as
synonymous with every thing that was barbarous and rude, it may be
sufficient to refer to the celebrated Treatise of Sir Henry Wotton, entitled
The Elements of Architecture, 4to., printed in London so early as 1624. This
work was so popular, that it was translated into Latin, and annexed to the
works of Vitruvius, as well as to Freart's Parallel of the Ancient
Architecture with the Modern. Dufresnoy, also, who divided his time
between poetry and painting, and whose work on the latter art was rendered
popular in this country by Dryden's translation, uses the term "Gothique" in
a bad sense. But it was a strange misapplication of the term to use it for the
pointed style, in contradistinction to the circular, formerly called Saxon,
now Norman, Romanesque, &c. These latter styles, like Lombardic, Italian,
and the Byzantine, of course belong more to the Gothic period than the light
and elegant structures of the pointed order which succeeded them. Felibien,
the French author of the Lives of Architects, divides Gothic architecture into
two distinct kinds—the massive and the light; and as the latter superseded
the former, the term Gothic, which had been originally applied to both
kinds, seems to have been restricted improperly to the latter only. As there
is now, happily, no fear of the word being understood in a bad sense, there
seems to be no longer any objection to the use of it in a good one, whatever
terms may be used to discriminate all the varieties of the style observable
either at home or abroad.

J.I.

Trinity College, Oxford.

DR. BURNEY'S MUSICAL WORKS.

Mr. Editor,—On pp. 63. and 78. of your columns inquiry is made for
Burney's Treatise on Music (not his History). Before correspondents trouble
you with their wants, I think they should be certain that the books they
inquire for have existence. Dr. Burney never published, or wrote, a Treatise
on Music. His only works on the subject (the General History of Music
excepted) are the following:—

"The Present State of Music in France and Italy. 8vo. 1771.

"The Present State of Music in Germany, the Netherlands, and United
Provinces. 2 vols. 8vo. 1775.

"An Account of the Musical Performances in Westminster Abbey, and
the Pantheon, &c. in Commemoration of Handel. 4to. 1785.

"A Plan for the Formation of a Musical Academy, 8vo. n. d."

As your "NOTES AND QUERIES" will become a standard book of
reference, strict accuracy on all points is the grand desideratum.

EDW. F. RIMBAULT.

P.S. I might, perhaps, have included in the above list the Life of Metastasio,
which, although not generally classed among musical works, forms an
admirable supplement to the General History of Music.

E.F.R.

ANCIENT INSCRIBED DISHES.

Judging from the various notices in your Nos. 3, 5, and 6, the dishes and
inscriptions mentioned therein by CLERICUS, L.S.B., &c., pp. 44. 73. 87.,
are likely to cause as much speculation here as they have some time
experienced on the continent. They were there principally figured and
discussed in the Curiositãten, a miscellaneous periodical, conducted from
about 1818 to 1825, by Vulpius, brother-in-law of Göthe, librarian to the
Grand Duke of Saxe Weimar. Herr v. Strombeck, Judge of the Supreme

Court of Appeal at Wolfenbüttel, first noticed them from a specimen
belonging to the church of a suppressed convent at Sterterheim near
Brunswick, and they were subsequently pounced upon by Joseph v.
Hammer (now v. Purgstall), the learned orientalist of Vienna, as one of the
principal proofs which he adduced in his Mysterium Baphometis Revelatum
in one of the numbers of the Fundgruben (Mines) des Orients, for the
monstrous impieties and impurities which he, Nicolai, and others, falsely
attributed to the Templars. Comments upon these dishes occur in other
works of a recent period, but having left my portfolio, concerning them,
with other papers, on the continent, I give these hasty notices entirely from
memory. They are by no means uncommon now in England, as the notices
of your correspondents prove. A paper on three varieties of them at Hull
was read in 1829, to the Hull Literary and Philosophical Society. In Nash's
Worcestershire one is depicted full size, and a reduced copy given about this
period in the Gentleman's Magazine, and Nash first calls them "Offertory
Dishes." The Germans call them Taufbecken, or baptismal basins; but I
believe the English denomination more correct, as I have a distinct
recollection of seeing, in a Catholic convent at Danzig, a similar one placed
on Good Friday before the tomb of the interred image of the Saviour, for the
oblations for which it was not too large. Another of them is kept upon the
altar of Boroughbridge Church (N. Riding of Yorkshire), but sadly worn
down by scrubbing to keep it bright, and the attempt at a copy of the
Inscription in a Harrowgate Guide is felicitously ludicrous: it is there taken
as a relic of the Roman Isurium on the same spot. Three others were
observed some years ago in a neglected nook of the sacristy of York
Cathedral. At the last meeting of the Institute at Salisbury, a number of
these were exhibited in St. John's House there, but I believe without any
notice taken of them in its Proceedings; and another was shown to the
Archæological Society, at their last Chester Congress, by Colonel Biddulph,
at Chirk Castle; when more were mentioned by the visitors as in their
possession, anxious as your correspondents to know the import of the
inscriptions. They are sometimes seen exposed in the shops of Wardour
Street, and in other curiosity shops of the metropolis.

On their sunken centres all have religious types: the most common is the
temptation of Eve; the next in frequency, the Annunciation; the Spies sent
by Joshua returning with an immense bunch of grapes suspended betwixt

them, is not unfrequent; but non-scriptural subjects, as the Martyrdom of St.
Sebastian, mentioned by L.S.B., is a variety I have not before observed.

The inscriptions vary, and are sometimes double in two concentral rings.
The most usual is that alluded to by your correspondents, and though
obviously German, neither old nor obsolete; having been viewed even by
native decipherers, through the mist of a preconceived hypothesis, have
never yet been by them satisfactorily accounted for. It is always repeated
four times, evidently from the same slightly curved die; when, however, the
enlarged circumference of the circle required more than this fourfold
repetition to go round it, the die was set on again for as much of a fifth
impression as was necessary: this was seldom more than four or five letters,
which, as pleonastic or intercalary, are to be carefully rejected in reading the
rest; their introduction has confused many expositors.

The readings of some of your correspondents who understand German is
pretty near the truth. I have before said that the centre type of Eve's
Temptation is the most common, and to it the words especially refer, and
seem at the place of their manufacture (most probably Nuremburg) to have
been used for other centres without any regard to its fitness. The letters, as I
can safely aver from some very perfect specimens, are

DER SELEN INFRID WART;

in modern German "der Seelen Infried wort." To the German scholar the
two latter words only require explanation. Infrid for Unfried, discord,
disturbance, any thing in opposition to Frieden or peace. The Frid-stools at
Beverley, Ripon, and Hexham, still bear the old theotise stamp. Wart, or
ward, may be either the past tense of werden, to be (our was), or an old
form of währen, to endure, to last: our English wear is the same word. The
sense is pretty much the same in both readings alluding to Eve. In the first:

(By her) the soul's disturbance came (was).

By the second:

(Through her) the soul's disturbance continues.

I may here observe that the words ICH WART are particularly distinct on a
helmet, pictured in the Journal of the British Archæological Association,
which the Secretary, Mr. Planche, in such matters the highest authority,
regards as a tilting helmet. It may there have been in the original ICH
WARTE, meaning I bide (my time).

But the centres and this inscription are the least difficulty. A second,
frequently met with, is by far more puzzling. I could not give your readers
any idea of it without a drawing: however it is found imperfectly depicted
on the plates I have before mentioned in Nash's Worcestershire, and the
Gentleman's Magazine, and I think I recollect also a very rude copy in a
volume of Hearne's Miscellaneous Works, which I examined in the
Gottingen Library, but whether belonging to the work or a MS. addition I
cannot now call to mind. The fanciful and flowery form of its letters gives
great scope to the imagination in assigning them their particular position in
the alphabet, and the difficulty of reading them is enhanced by the doubts of
German archæologists whether they are initials or component parts of a
sentence. Herr Joseph v. Hammer Purgstall, however, in his version
RECORD DE SCI GNSI, or in full Recordamini de sancta Gnosi, deduces
thence his principal proof of Gnostic heresy amongst the calumniated
Templars, in which I am sorry to say he has been too servilely followed in
England: e.g. by Mr. Godfrey Higgins, in his posthumous Anaclypsis (p.
830 note), as well as by E.G. Addison, The Temple Church (p. 57), and by
Mr. R.W. Billings more especially, who tacks to his account of this building
an "Essay on the symbolical Evidences of the Temple Church, where the
Templars are proved Gnostic Idolators, as alleged by Edward Clarkson,
Esq." Had the learnedly hypothetic Austrian seen the engravings of the
Crypt at Canterbury Cathedral (Archæologia, viii. p. 74.), and Ledwick's
remarks on it in conjunction with the carvings at Glendalloch (History of
Ireland, p. 174.), or those of Grymbald's Crypt at Oxford, he might have
been expected to have attributed their monstrosities to his order, with as
little hesitation and as thorough a contempt of chronology, or proved
connection, as he has the curious and innocent sculptures of the church at
Schöngrabern in Bohemia (vide Curiositäten, vol. viii. p. 501.).

WILLIAM BELL, Phil. Dr.

MINOR NOTES.

Prince Modoc.—At p. 57., "ANGLO-CAMBRIAN" refers to the report of
the Proceedings of the British Association at Swansea, in Aug. 1848,
extracted from the Athenæum newspaper. In the course of a discussion
which took place on Prof. Elton's address, it was observed (if I recollect
rightly) by the learned Dr. Latham, that a vocabulary of the so-called
Welsh-Indian dialect has been formed, and that it contains no trace of any
Celtic root.

J.M.T. December 10. 1849.

St. Barnabas.—About the time of the Reformation, it was strongly debated
whether the festival days of St. Paul and St. Barnabas should be admitted
into the calendar; and, in the 2d Book of K. Edward, the conversion of St.
Paul is put down in black, and St. Barnabas is omitted altogether! No
wonder, therefore, if, in Suffolk, liberties were taken with the name of St.
Barnabas, and it was transferred to doggerel rhyme, to be repeated by
children.

J.I.

Register of Cromwell's Baptism.—The communication of your
correspondent C.W.G. at p. 103. of your last number, induces me to offer
you the inclosed copy from the Register of All Saints' Church, Huntingdon,
of the birth and baptism of Oliver Cromwell:—

"Anno Domini 1599 Oliverus filius Roberti Cromwell generosi et
Elisabethæ huxoris ejus Natus vicesimo quinto die Aprilis et
Baptisatus vicesimo nono ejusdem mensis."

Then follow the words "England's plague for many years," written in a
different hand.

R.O.

The Times.—A correspondent (NASO) informs us of the following fact in
the history of this widely circulated and influential journal; namely, that it is

stated in that the paper of the 12th of March, 1788, that it was printed
"Logographically!" We wish our correspondent had furnished us with the
precise words of this very curious statement.

Roland Monoux.—I have in my possession a brass monumental plate, said
to have been taken from some church in Middlesex, and bearing the
following lines, engraved in black letter:—

"Behold what droupinge Dethe maye doe, consume
y'e corse to duste,
What Dethe maie not shall lyue for aye, in spite of
Dethe his luste;
Thoughe Rouland Monoux shrowdeth here, yet
Rouland Monoux lives,
His helpynge hand to nedys want, a fame for ever
geves;
Hys worde and dede was ever one, his credyth never
quaylde,
His zeall' to Christ was stronge, tyll' dethe w'th latest
panges asaylde.
Twyse thre and one he Children had, two sones, one
kepes his name,
And dowghters fyve for home he carde, y't lyve in
honest fame.
What booteth more, as he be kynde dyd come of
Jentyll race,
So Rouland Monoux good Desertes this grave can
not Deface."

I should be obliged to any of your readers for some account of this Rouland
Monoux, and when he died. I may also add; that I should be very willing to
restore the brass to its original site, did I know the spot from whence it has
been sacrilegiously torn.

M.

Wessel Cup Hymn.—The following Wassail Song is taken from a little
chap-book printed at Manchester, called A Selection of Christmas Hymns. it

is obviously a corrupted version of a much older song:—

"Here we come a wesseling,
Among the leaves so green,
Here we come a wandering,
So fair to be seen.

"Cho.—Love and joy come to you,
And to your wessel too,
And God send you a happy new year,
A new year,
And God send you a happy new year.

"Our wessel cup is made of the rosemary tree,
So is your beer of the best barley.

"We are not daily beggars,
That beg from door to door,
But we are neighbours' children,
Whom you have seen before.

"Call up the butler of this house,
Put on his golden ring,
Let him bring us up a glass of beer,
And the better we shall sing.

"We have got a little purse,
Made of stretching leather skin,
We want a little of your money,
To line it well within.

"Bring us out a table,
And spread it with a cloth,
Bring us out a mouldy cheese,
And some of your Christmas loaf.

"God bless the master of this house,
Likewise the mistress too,

And all the little children,
That round the table go.

"Good master and mistress,
While you'r sitting by the fire,
Pray think of us poor children,
Who are wand'ring in the mire.

"Cho.—Love and joy come to you,
And to your wessel to,
And God send you a happy new year,
A new year,
And God send you a happy new year.

Our wessel cup is made of the rosemary tree,
So is your beer of the best barley."

It is a song of the season which well deserves to be preserved. Its insertion
will at least have that effect, and may be the means of our discovering an
earlier and purer text.

AMBROSE MERTON.

Portrait of Charles I.—In Sir Henry Ellis's Original Letters, 2d series, vol.
iii. p. 254., amongst the prefatory matter to the reign of Charles I., there is a
notice of a sermon, entitled "The Subject's Sorrow, or Lamentations upon
the Death of Britaine's Josiah, King Charles."

Sir Henry Ellis says it is expressly stated, in this Sermon, that the King
himself desired "that unto his Golden Manual might be prefixed his
representation, kneeling; contemning a temporal crown, holding our blessed
Saviour's crown of thorns, and aspiring unto an eternal crown of
happiness."

Note b. upon this passage is as follows:—

"This very portrait of King Charles the First, engraved by Marshall,
adorned the original edition of the [Greek: Eikon Basilikae]. 8vo.

1648. The same portrait, as large as life, in oil painting, was
afterwards put up in many of our churches."

When I was a boy, such a portrait, in oil painting, hung upon the south wall
of the body of St. Michael's Church, Cambridge, between the pulpit and a
small door to the west, leading into the south aisle.

Out of the window of the chamber in which the King was kneeling was
represented a storm at sea, and the ship being driven by it upon some rocks.

A few years ago, upon visiting Cambridge, I went purposely to St.
Michael's Church to see this picture, which had been so familiar to me in
my boyhood. The clerk told me it had been taken down, and was in the
vestry. In the vestry I found it, on its side, on the floor against the wall.

You are probably aware that this St. Michael's Church was nearly destroyed
by fire not many weeks since; that a committee is established to arrange its
restoration.

Would it not be worth while that some inquiry should be made about the
fate of this picture?

R.O.

Dec. 17. 1849.

P.S.—I may add, that there was affixed to the bottom of the frame of the
picture a board, on which was painted, in conformably large letters—

"LORD, remember David and all his trouble."

Psalm cxxxii. 1.

The italics in part of the Note above quoted are mine.

Autograph Mottoes of Richard Duke of Gloucester, and Henry Duke of
Buckingham.—In the volume of the Cottonian MSS. marked Vespasian F.
XIII., at fol. 53., is a slip of parchment, upon which is written by the hands

of Richard Duke of Gloucester, and Henry Duke of Buckingham, the
following couplet:—

"Loyaulte me lie
Richard Gloucestre

"Souente me souène
Harre Bokingh'a'm."

A fac-simile is engraved in Autographs of Royal, Noble, Learned, and
Remarkable Personages in English History, engraved by C.J. Smith, and
edited by Mr. John Gough Nichols, 1829, 4to., where the editor suggests
that this slip of parchment was "perhaps a deceitful toy," or it may have
been attached to some present offered by the Duke of Gloucester to his
royal nephew Edward the Fifth. The meaning of Gloucester's motto is
perfectly free from misapprehension; but he asserts his fidelity to the
crown, which he soon so flagrantly outraged—"Loyalty binds me." In the
work above mentioned, the motto of Buckingham is interpreted by these
words, in modern French:—"Souvent me souviens." This does not appear to
me perfectly satisfactory; and I have to request the opinions of such as are
conversant with old manuscripts, whether the true meaning, or even the true
reading, of the Duke of Buckingham's motto has as yet been ascertained?

H.

NOTES IN ANSWER TO QUERIES.

Lord Erskine's Brooms.—"G.B." informs us, that the anecdote about Lord
Erskine's brooms, and the apprehension of his servant for selling them
without a licence, will be found in his Life by Lord Campbell (Lives of the
Chancellors, vol. vi. p. 618.). Erskine himself attended the sessions to plead
the man's cause, and contended that the brooms were agricultural produce,
or, as he jocosely observed, "came under the sweeping clause." The when is
about 1807, and the where an estate in Sussex, which proved rather an
unprofitable speculation to its owner, as it produced nothing but birch trees,
and those but stunted ones. To which information "W.J." adds, that about

the same period Lord Erskine printed, for private circulation, An Appeal in
favour of the agricultural Services of Rooks; a production probably scarce
now, but full of humanity, and very characteristic.

Scarborough Warning.—In a postscript to a letter written from court on the
19th January, 1603, by Toby Matthew, Bishop of Durham, to Hutton,
Archbishop of York, I find the term Scarborough warning. Can any of the
correspondents of your valuable paper inform me of the origin and
prevalence of this saying? The postscript is—

"When I was in the middest of this discourse, I received a message
from my lord chamberlaine, that it was his majesty's pleasure that I
should preach before him upon Sunday next; which Scarborough
warning did not perplex me, but so puzzled me, as no mervail if
somewhat be pretermitted, which otherwise I might have better
remembered."

Quoted in Caldwell's Conferences, p. 166.

W.M.C.
[NARES tells us, that Ray, on the authority of Fuller, states that this saying took
its origin from "Thomas Stafford, who, in the reign of Mary, A.D. 1557, with a
small company, seized on Scarborough Castle (utterly destitute of provision for
resistance), before the townsmen had the least notice of their approach;" but
shows that it was probably much older, as, in a ballad written by J. Heywood on
the taking of that place by Stafford, the following more probable origin is given
to the proverb:—

"This term Scarborow warning grew (some say),
By hasty hanging for rank robbery theare.
Who that was met, but suspect in that way,
Straight he was trust up, whatever he were."
This implies that Scarborough imitated the Halifax gibbet law. Is any thing
known of such a privilege being claimed or exercised by the men of
Scarborough? We should be glad to hear from any local antiquary upon this
point.]

Gray's Elegy.—In answer to your correspondent, J.F.M. (p. 101.), who asks
for information respecting the competition for the best translation of Gray's

Elegy, in which Dr. Sparke was a candidate, I would beg to refer him to the
satirical poem attributed to Mr. T.J. Matthias, formerly Fellow of Trinity
College, Cambridge, entitled The Pursuits of Literature, in which a
ludicrous account is given of the affair. It does not appear who offered the
prize, but Mr. Nares, the editor of The British Critic, was the judge, and the
place of meeting "The Musical Room in Hanover Square," which was
decorated for the occasion with appropriate scenery—at least so says The
Critic. He thus describes the solemnity (p. 174 8th edit. 1798):—

"Lo, learned clerks in sable stole,
Graceful in years, pant eager for the goal.
Old Norbury starts, and, with the seventh-form boys,
In weeds of Greek the church-yard's peace annoys,
With classic Weston, Charley Coote and Tew,
In dismal dance about the mournful yew.
But first in notes Sicilian placed on high,
Bates sounds the soft precluding symphony;
And in sad cadence, as the bands condense,
The curfew tolls the knell of parting sense."

The distribution of prizes is thus recorded, Dr. Norbury being apparently the
"conqueror:"—

"Nares rising paused; then gave, the contest done,
To Weston, Taylor's Hymns and Alciphron,
And Rochester's Address to lemans loose;
To Tew, Parr's Sermon and the game of goose;
To Coote the foolscap, as the best relief
A dean could hope; last to the hoary chief
He filled a cup; then placed on Norbury's back
The Sunday suit of customary black.
The gabbling ceased; with fixed and serious look
Gray glanced from high, and owned his rival, COOK."

W. Lincoln's Inn, Dec. 17.

Coffee, the Lacedæmonian Black Broth.—Your correspondent "R.O."
inquires what modern author suggests the probability of coffee being the

black broth of the Lacedæmonians? The suggestion, I think, originated with
George Sandys, the translator of Ovid's Metamorphoses. Sandys travelled in
the Turkish empire in 1610. He first published his Notes in 1615. The
following is from the 6th edit. 1652, p. 52.:—

"Although they be destitute of taverns, yet have they their coffa-
houses, which something resemble them. Their sit they, chatting most
of the day, and sip of a drink called coffa (of the berry that it is made
of), in little China dishes, as hot as they can suffer it; black as soot, and
tasting not much unlike it (why not that black broth which was in use
among the Lacedæmonians?) which helpeth, as they say, digestion,
and procureth alacrity," &c.

Burton also (Anatomy of Melancholy) describes it as "like that black drink
which was in use among the Lacedæmonians, and perhaps the same."

E.B. PRICE.

QUERIES.
THE LAST OF THE VILLAINS.

It would be an interesting fact if we could ascertain the last bondsman by
blood—nativus de sanguine—who lived in this country. The beginning of
the seventeenth century is the period usually referred to as the date of the
extinction of personal villenage. In the celebrated argument in the case of
the negro Somerset (State Trials, vol. xx. p. 41), an instance as late as 1617-
18 is cited as the latest in our law books. (See Noy's Reports, p. 27.) It is
probably the latest recorded claim, but it is observable that the claim failed,
and that the supposed villain was adjudged to be a free man. I can supply
the names of three who were living near Brighton in the year 1617, and
whose thraldom does not appear to have been disputed. Norden, from
whose unpublished Survey of certain Crown Manors I have extracted the
following notice, adverts to the fact, but seems to think that the times were
rather unfavourable to any attempt by the lord of the manor to put his rights
in force.

"There are three bondmen of bloude belonginge unto this manor, never
known to be anie way mannumissed, namely, Thomas Goringe,
William and John Goringe. Thomas Goringe dwells at Amberley,
William at Piddinghow, and John Goringe at Rottingdean. What goods
they have the Jurie know not. All poor men. Thomas hath the reversion
of a cotage now in the tenure of William Jefferye. But mee thinks this
kinde of advantage is nowe out of season; yet, were they men of
ability, they might be, upon some consideration, infraunchized."
(Survey of the Manor of Falmer, Sussex.)

I shall be glad to know whether any more recent instance can be pointed
out.

E. SMIRKE.

THE DORE OF HOLY SCRIPTURE.

In Herbert's edition of Ames's Typographical Antiquities, 1785, vol. i. p.
492., is noticed The Dore of Holy Scripture, 12mo., printed by John
Gowghe in 1536; and, at p. 494., a reprint of the same work is mentioned in
1540, by the same printer, and a description of a copy given from one then
in the possession of Herbert himself. In the preface prefixed by the printer,
he calls the work "the prologue of the fyrste translatoure of the byble out of
latyn in to Englyshe;" and at the end of the work is this note:—"Perused by
doctor Taylor and doctor Barons, Master Ceton and Master Tornor." As I am
much interested in the subject to which this publication refers, may I ask for
information on three points?—1. What evidence is there of this edition of
1536, beyond the statement in Ames? 2. What has become of the copy of
the edition of 1540, formerly belonging to Herbert? and, 3. Who are the
persons who peruse and revise the latter edition? There is not copy of either
edition, as far as I can trace, in the British Museum, in the Bodleian, or at
Lambeth.

I may add to these queries the following remarks:—

1. Ames asserted that The Dore of Holy Scripture was among the books
prohibited to be read by the injunctions of Henry the Eighth, and refers, as
his authority, to Foxe's Acts and Monument, ed. 1562, p. 574. Herbert, in a
note, questions the fact, and raises a doubt as to the existence of the passage
in Foxe, since it is not in the edition of 1641. I have, however, the first
edition now before me of 1563 (not 1562), and at p. 574., among "the
names of certen bokes whiche after this injunction [namely, of 1539], or
some other in the said kinges dayes were prohybited," occurs, "Item, the
doore of holy scripture. made by Jhon. Gowghe."

2. This work was again printed by Crowley in 1550, 12mo., under a
different title, namely, The Pathway to Perfect Knowledge; and in the
preface, he falsely ascribes it to John Wycliffe, and adds, "the original
wherof is in an olde English Bible, betwixt the Olde Testament and the
Newe, which Bible remaineth now in the Kyng his Majesties chamber."
This Bible appears to be the identical manuscript copy of the later Wycliffe
version of the Scriptures, now preserved in the University Library,

Cambridge, and marked Mm 2. 15. A copy of Crowley's edition is in the
British Museum, but the orthography and language of the tract are
modernised.

F.M. B.M., Dec. 19.

TURNER'S MS. HISTORY OF WESTMINSTER—
CRUCIFIX OF EDWARD THE CONFESSOR.

On April 6. 1708, Henry Turner was elected, by the vestry, organist of St.
Margaret's, Westminster, in the room of the famous "Father Smith"
(Bernard Schmidt). As regards his musical capabilities, Hawkins does not
assign him a niche in his Temple of Worthies, although he names some of
his predecessors and successors in that office. One merit we must accord
him, that of true antiquarian love and zeal in all matters regarding "this
renowned city." "Great materials are said to have been collected for a full
description (of Westminster), by a parish-clerk of St. Margaret's. I presume
this is Henry Turner, mentioned in Widmore's Account of the Writers of the
History of Westminster Abbey.... His book was only a survey of the city of
Westminster, purposely omitting the history of the (collegiate) church."—
Gough, Brit. Top. vol. i. p. 761. Lond. 1780. "The man's natural parts were
very good; he was also very diligent in making enquiries relating to his
subject, and he had collected a great deal."—Widmore's Acc. of Writers of
the Hist. of Westm. Abbey, pp. 6, 7. Lond. 1751. As regards his personal
history, I alighted on some curious notes on a fly-leaf of a transcript of a
register: "Henry Turner, borne at Yearely, Derbyshire, 12. July, 1679:
married Eliz. Sabin, of Clement Danes, in St. Margrts. Westmr. Feb. 26.
1701. by Dr. Onley."

In 1697 it was discovered that some valuable MS. records belonging to the
parish, and taken out of the Tower of London, had been lost by their keeper.
This history in its time appears to have suffered the same fate. However,
there is this entry in the Harleian MSS. 7045. fol. 361.: "From the learned
Dr. Kennet, Dean of Peterborough's Collection. MSS. MS. H. On Aug. 2.
1708, at Windsor, I read over the History of the Parish of St. Margaret's,
Westminster, drawn up in MS. by one of the parish clerks." Some

interesting extracts follow. Compare Aysc. Add. MSS. Brit. Mus. 4163. fol.
5. Bishop Kennet resided in St. James's Street, in this parish, and died there
on Dec. 19. 1728. I have applied in vain for any account of this MS. to the
librarians of Windsor Castle and Eton College.

Can any of your readers give a clue to its recovery? Are any aware that this
survey, which would be valuable now, still exists? There is an instance, as
early as the fifteenth century, of the union of the offices of lay-clerk and
organist in St. Margaret's, in the person of one Metyngham, and H. Turner
also held them at the same time; since, on July 28th, 1713, he was elected
parish-clerk by the vestry, in "consideration of the experience they had of
fitness and diligence in executing the office of deputy-clerk of this parish
for several years last past;" and he did not resign the place of organist until
2nd October, 1718.

May I make another Query?—The gold chain and crucifix, laid in the grave
of K. Edward the Confessor, were removed by Charles Taylor, and given
into the hands of King James II. On the reverse of the same cross was
pictured a Benedictine monk, in his habit, and on each side of him these
capital Roman letter,—

On the right limb thus: and on the left thus:
(A) P.
Z. A. X A. C.
A H.

Antiq. of St. Peter's, vol. ii. App. n. iij, Ed. 1722.

What does the inscription mean? Is the former portion to be understood "
[Greek: A. O. Zoae agion Christos]"? What is the import of the latter?

MACKENZIE WALCOTT, M.A.

THE TALISMAN OF CHARLEMAGNE.

Many years back, "Prince" Louis Napoleon was stated to be in possesion of
the talisman of Charlemagne;—"a small nut, in a gold filigree envelopment,
found round the neck of that monarch on the opening of his tomb, and given

by the town of Aachen (Aix-la-Chapelle) to Buonaparte, and by him to his
favourite Hortense, ci-de-vant Queen of Holland, at whose death it
descended to her son," the present President of the French Republic.

The Germans have a curious legend connected with this talisman. It was
framed by some of the magi in the train of the ambassadors of Aaroun-al-
Raschid to the mighty Emperor of the West, at the instance of his spouse
Fastrada, with the virtue that her husband should be always fascinated
towards the person or thing on which it was. The constant love of Charles to
this his spouse was the consequence; but, as it was not taken from her finger
after death, the affection of the emperor was continued unchanging to the
corpse, which he would on no account allow to be interred, even when it
became offensive. His confessor, having some knowledge of the occult
sciences, at last drew off the amulet from the inanimate body, which was
then permitted to be buried; but he retained possession of it himself, and
thence became Charles's chief favourite and prime minister, till he had been
promoted to the highest ecclesiastical dignity, as Archbishop of Mainz and
Chancellor of the Empire. At this pitch of power, whether he thought he
could rise no higher, or scruples of conscience were awakened by the
hierarchical vow, he would hold the heathen charm no longer, and he threw
it into a lake not far from his metropolitan seat, where the town of Ingethüm
now stands. The regard and affection of the monarch were immediately
diverted from the monk, and all men, to the country surrounding the lake;
and he determined on building there a magnificent palace for his constant
residence, and robbed all the ancient royal and imperial residences, even to
the distance of Ravenna, in Italy, to adorn it. Here he subsequently resided
and died: but it seems the charm had a passive as well as an active power;
his throes of death were long and violent; and though dissolution seemed
every moment impending, still he lingered in ceaseless agony, till the
Archbishop, who was called to his bed-side to administer the last sacred
rites, perceiving the cause, caused the lake to be dragged, and, silently
restoring the talisman to the person of the dying monarch, his struggling
soul parted quietly away. The grave was opened by the third Otto in 997,
and possibly the town of Aachen may have been thought the proper
depository of the powerful drug, to be by them surrendered to one who was
believed by many, as he believed himself to be, a second Charlemagne.

So much for the introduction to the following Queries:—1. Can any of your
readers say whether this amulet is still in possession of the President of the
French Republic? 2. If so, might not the believers in the doctrines of
Sympathy attribute the votes of the six millions who, in Dec. 1848, voted in
favour of his election, to the sympathetic influence of his "nut in gold
filigree," and be justified in looking upon those who voted for his rivals as
no true Franks? It was originally concocted for a Frankish monarch of pure
blood, and may be supposed to exercise its potency only on those of
genuine descent and untainted lineage.

WILLIAM BELL, Phil. Dr.

DICK SHORE—ISLE OF DOGS—KATHERINE PEGG.

I entirely concur in the opinion of your able correspondent, Mr. P.
Cunningham, that Pepys's Diary is well deserving all the illustrative light
which may be reflected upon it from your useful pages. In submitting the
following Query, however, my object is to glean a scrap of information on a
point connected with the neglected topography of the east end of London,
taking Pepys for my text. In the Diary, the entry for January 15th, 1660-61,
contains this passage:—

"We took barge and went to Blackwall, and viewed the Dock and the
new west Dock which is newly made there, and a brave new
merchantman which is to launched shortly, and they say to be called
the Royal Oake. Hence we walked to Dick Shoare, and thence to the
Towre, and so home."—Vol. i. p. 178. new Ed.

I shall be glad to learn from any of your readers what part of the northern
bank of the river, between Blackwall and the Tower, was called Dick Shore.
It is not marked on any of the old maps of London I have been able to
consult; but it was probably beyond the most easterly point generally shown
within their limits. The modern maps present no trace of the locality in
question.

The dock-yard visited by Pepys was long one of the most considerable
private ship-building establishments in England. For may years it was
conducted by Mr. Perry, and subsequently, under the firm of Wigram and
Green, the property having been purchased by the late Sir Robert Wigram,
Bart. The extensive premises are still applied to the same use; but they have
been divided to form two distinct yards, conducted by separate firms.

The origin of the name (Isle of Dogs), given to the marshy tract of land
lying within the bold curve of the Thames between Blackwall and
Limehouse, is still undetermined. The common story is, that it receives its
name from the king's hounds having been kept there during the residence of
the royal family at Greenwich. This tradition is wholly unsupported; nor is
it very probable that the king's hounds would be kennelled in this ungenial
and inconvenient place, while they could be kept on the Kentish side of the
river, in the vicinity of Greenwich Castle, then occupying the site of the
present Observatory.

The denominations "isle" and "island" appear to have been bestowed on
many places not geographically entitled to them. The Isle of Dogs, before
the construction of the canal which now crosses its isthmus, was in fact a
peninsula. Pepys spent a night in the "isle of Doggs," as appears by his
entry for July 24th, 1665, and again, on the 31st of the same month, he was
compelled to wait in the "unlucky Isle of Doggs, in a chill place, the
morning cool and wind fresh, above two if not three hours, to his great
discontent."

To the account of Katherine Pegg, given by your correspondents, pp. 90, 91,
may be added, that, besides Charles Fitz-Charles, Earl of Plymouth, she
had, by Charles II., a daughter, who died in her infancy. Mrs. Pegg was one
of the three wives of Sir Edward Greene, of Sampford (not Samford), near
Thaxted, Essex, created a baronet 26th July, 1660 (within two months of the
Restoration), to whom she seems to have been not unfitly matched; for it is
recorded of him that, "by his extravagancy and love of gambling, he
entirely ruined his estate, and his large inheritance passed from his family."
He had issue two daughters, who married.—See Burke's Extinct
Baronetage.

I do not think that Katherine Pegg, whose son by the King was born in
1657, was "the pretty woman newly come called Pegg," saluted by Pepys,
7th May, 1668, as Mr. Cunningham surmises.

J.T. HAMMACK.

December.

MINOR QUERIES.

The Strand Maypole.—"E.F.R." inquires what was the ultimate fate of the
"tall Maypole" which "once o'erlooked the Strand"? It was taken down
about the year 1717, when it was found to measure a hundred feet. It was
obtained by Sir Isaac Newton, and borne on a carriage, for timber, to
Wanstead, in Essex, the seat of the Earl of Tylney, where, under the
direction of the Reverend Mr. Pound Breton, it was placed in the Park, for
the erection of a telescope, the largest then in the world, presented by a
French gentleman to the Royal Society.

To Fettle.—What is the derivation of the verb "to fettle?" In the North it
means to amend—to repair—to put a thing, which is out of order, into such
a state as to effectuate, or to be effectual for, its original, or a given purpose;
e.g. a cart out of order is sent to the wheelwright's to be fettled. It has been
suggested that the word is a verbalised corruption of the word "effectual."
Bailey, in his Dictionary, has designated it as a north country word: but it is
evident that he misunderstood its entire meaning; for he has merely "to
fettle to," and seems to have been ignorant of the use of the word "fettle" as
a verb active. To revert to my former example of its use—An injured cart is
fettled by the wheel-wright; the wheelwright fettles the injured cart.

L.C.R.

Greek Verse.—Can any of your readers inform me who is the author of the
line—

"[Greek: Pollai men thnaetois glottai, mia d' athanatoisi]?"

C.

Dr. Dee's petition to James I.—"E.F.R." states that he has lately discovered,
in the lining of an ancient trunk, two or three curious broadsides, one of
which purports to be Dr. Dee's petition to James I., 1604, against the report
raised against him, namely, "That he is or hath bin a Conjurer and Caller, or
Invocator of Divels." He would be glad to know whether this curious
broadside has been printed in any memoir of Dr. Dee.

Vondel's Lucifer.—"F." desires to be informed whether the tragedy or
dramatic poem Lucifer, of the Dutch poet Vondel, which has been said to
bear some analogy to Paradise Lost, has ever been translated? and if not,
why not? The French writer, Alfred de Vigny, in Stella, calls Vondel
(Wundel in his spelling) "ce vieux Shakspeare de la Hollande."

Discurs Modest.—In Bishop Andrewes' Reply to the Apology of
Bellarmine, chap. i. p. 7, ed. 4to. London, 1610, certain jesuits in prison are
reported to have confessed, Rem transubstantiationis patres ne attigisse
quidem; as authority for which is quoted Discurs Modest, p. 13. From this
work apparently the passage is copied by Jeremy Taylor, Real Presence,
sect. 12. § 16; Dissuasive, part i. chap. 1. § 5, and part 2. book 2. sect. 3. 3:
also by Cosin on Transubstantiation, chap. 6. § 17. Can any of your readers
favour me with a clue to the Modest Discourse?

A.T.

Ptolemy of Alexandria.—"QUERY" wishes to be informed what works of
Ptolemy of Alexandria are to be met with in an English translation.

Vanbrugh's London Improvements.—In the London Journal of March 16th,
1722-23, there is the following paragraph:—

"We are informed that Sir John Vanbrugh, in his scheme for new
paving the cities of London and Westminster, among other things,
proposes a tax on all gentlemen's coaches, to stop all channels in the
street, and to carry all the water off by drains and common sewers
under ground."

Sir John Vanbrugh was chiefly known as an architect of noblemen's and
gentlemen's mansions. Can any of your readers supply me with a reference
to any detailed plan, from Sir John, for the general improvement of the
metropolis?

B.M.

Becket's Grace-Cup.—The inscription round the neck of this so-called cup,
of which a representation is given in No. 1. of Mr. Scott's Antiquarian
Gleanings, is thus printed by him—GOD FERARE—: to which he adds, in
explanation, "probably the name of the goldsmith." At the foot of an earlier
print of this relic, the inscription is given thus—FERARE GOD—and till
the appearance of Mr. Scott's version, I had considered the former word as
an accidental error of the engraver, instead of FEARE; which would present
a moral motto, suiting the SOBRII ESTOTE round the lid.—As Mr.
Nichols, in his recent interesting work on Pilgrimages to Walsingham and
Canterbury, noticing the misnomer of the cup (p. 229, n.), indicates its date
to be of "the early part of the sixteenth century," perhaps some one of your
well-informed readers could state if any artist-goldsmith of that era, and of
that name, be known.

ALICUI.

Sir Henry Herbert's Office-Book.—I should be glad to know if any of your
readers can tell me the "whereabouts" of Sir Henry Herbert's Office-Book, a
MS. frequently referred to by Malone, Chalmers, and Collier. Sir Henry
Herbert was Master of the Revels to King James the First, and the two
succeeding kings, and the said MS. contains an account of almost every
piece exhibited at any of the theatres from August, 1623, to the
commencement of the rebellion in 1641. Malone, in his Historical Account
of the English Stage (edit. Boswell, iii. 57.), says, in a note—

"For the use of this very curious and valuable manuscript I am
indebted to Francis Ingram, of Ribbisford, near Bewdley, in
Worcestershire, Esq., Deputy Remembrancer in the Court of the
Exchequer. It has lately been found in the same old chest which
contained the manuscript Memoirs of Lord Herbert of Cherbury, from

which Mr. Walpole, about twenty years ago, printed the life of that
nobleman, who was elder brother to Sir Henry Herbert."

In another place, Malone adds:—

"This valuable manuscript, having lain for a considerable time in a
damp place, is unfortunately damaged, and in a very mouldering
condition; however, no material part of it appears to have perished."

Such being the case, it becomes more than ever desirable that this
interesting volume should be sought after, and the whole of its contents put
on record before its total decay. Surely, if its depositary is known, and
accessible, it is well worth the attention of the Shakespeare Society, or some
other learned body instituted for the preservation of documents of this
nature.

A biographical account of the various persons that have held the
appointment of "Master of the Revels," with such particulars of the stage as
would necessarily fall in, would form a valuable Prolegomena to the
publication of Sir Henry's Office-Book. We have, it is true, much
information upon this subject, but in a very scattered form.

I have now before me a list of the "Masters of the Revells," with the dates
of their patents, which I beg to transcribe. It is of more than ordinary value,
being in the handwriting of Sir Henry Herbert himself, and copied at the
back of the worthy knight's "Petition to Charles the Second against the
Grant to Killegrew and Davenant to form Two Companies of Players."

"Masters of ye Revells.

"Sir Richard Guilford - not on record.
Sir Thomas Cawerden - [1544] 36 Henry VIII.
Sir Thomas Beneger - not on record.
Sir John Fortescue - not on record.
Edmund Tilney, Esq. - July 24 [1578] 21 Eliz.
Sir George Buck - June 23 [1603] I Jac.
Sir John Astley - [1612] 10 Jac. I.

Benjamin Johnson - [1617] 15 Jac. I.
Sir Henry Herbert, and Simon Thelwall, Esq. - Aug. 21 [1629] 5 Car. I."

EDWARD F. RIMBAULT.

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