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Title: The Republic

Author: Plato

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THE REPUBLIC

By Plato

Translated by Benjamin Jowett
Note: See also “The Republic” by Plato, Jowett, eBook #150

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Contents

INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS.
THE REPUBLIC.
PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE.
BOOK I.
BOOK II.
BOOK III.
BOOK IV.
BOOK V.
BOOK VI.
BOOK VII.
BOOK VIII.
BOOK IX.
BOOK X.

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INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS.

The Republic of Plato is the longest of his works with the exception of
the Laws, and is certainly the greatest of them. There are nearer approaches
to modern metaphysics in the Philebus and in the Sophist; the Politicus or
Statesman is more ideal; the form and institutions of the State are more
clearly drawn out in the Laws; as works of art, the Symposium and the
Protagoras are of higher excellence. But no other Dialogue of Plato has the
same largeness of view and the same perfection of style; no other shows an
equal knowledge of the world, or contains more of those thoughts which are
new as well as old, and not of one age only but of all. Nowhere in Plato is
there a deeper irony or a greater wealth of humour or imagery, or more
dramatic power. Nor in any other of his writings is the attempt made to
interweave life and speculation, or to connect politics with philosophy. The
Republic is the centre around which the other Dialogues may be grouped;
here philosophy reaches the highest point (cp, especially in Books V, VI,
VII) to which ancient thinkers ever attained. Plato among the Greeks, like
Bacon among the moderns, was the first who conceived a method of
knowledge, although neither of them always distinguished the bare outline
or form from the substance of truth; and both of them had to be content with
an abstraction of science which was not yet realized. He was the greatest
metaphysical genius whom the world has seen; and in him, more than in
any other ancient thinker, the germs of future knowledge are contained. The
sciences of logic and psychology, which have supplied so many instruments
of thought to after-ages, are based upon the analyses of Socrates and Plato.
The principles of definition, the law of contradiction, the fallacy of arguing
in a circle, the distinction between the essence and accidents of a thing or
notion, between means and ends, between causes and conditions; also the
division of the mind into the rational, concupiscent, and irascible elements,
or of pleasures and desires into necessary and unnecessary—these and other
great forms of thought are all of them to be found in the Republic, and were

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probably first invented by Plato. The greatest of all logical truths, and the
one of which writers on philosophy are most apt to lose sight, the difference
between words and things, has been most strenuously insisted on by him
(cp. Rep.; Polit.; Cratyl. 435, 436 ff), although he has not always avoided
the confusion of them in his own writings (e.g. Rep.). But he does not bind
up truth in logical formulae,—logic is still veiled in metaphysics; and the
science which he imagines to ‘contemplate all truth and all existence’ is
very unlike the doctrine of the syllogism which Aristotle claims to have
discovered (Soph. Elenchi, 33. 18).
Neither must we forget that the Republic is but the third part of a still
larger design which was to have included an ideal history of Athens, as well
as a political and physical philosophy. The fragment of the Critias has given
birth to a world-famous fiction, second only in importance to the tale of
Troy and the legend of Arthur; and is said as a fact to have inspired some of
the early navigators of the sixteenth century. This mythical tale, of which
the subject was a history of the wars of the Athenians against the Island of
Atlantis, is supposed to be founded upon an unfinished poem of Solon, to
which it would have stood in the same relation as the writings of the
logographers to the poems of Homer. It would have told of a struggle for
Liberty (cp. Tim. 25 C), intended to represent the conflict of Persia and
Hellas. We may judge from the noble commencement of the Timaeus, from
the fragment of the Critias itself, and from the third book of the Laws, in
what manner Plato would have treated this high argument. We can only
guess why the great design was abandoned; perhaps because Plato became
sensible of some incongruity in a fictitious history, or because he had lost
his interest in it, or because advancing years forbade the completion of it;
and we may please ourselves with the fancy that had this imaginary
narrative ever been finished, we should have found Plato himself
sympathising with the struggle for Hellenic independence (cp. Laws, iii.
698 ff.), singing a hymn of triumph over Marathon and Salamis, perhaps
making the reflection of Herodotus (v. 78) where he contemplates the
growth of the Athenian empire—‘How brave a thing is freedom of speech,
which has made the Athenians so far exceed every other state of Hellas in
greatness!’ or, more probably, attributing the victory to the ancient good
order of Athens and to the favor of Apollo and Athene (cp. Introd. to
Critias).

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Again, Plato may be regarded as the ‘captain’ (‘arhchegoz’) or leader of a
goodly band of followers; for in the Republic is to be found the original of
Cicero’s De Republica, of St. Augustine’s City of God, of the Utopia of Sir
Thomas More, and of the numerous other imaginary States which are
framed upon the same model. The extent to which Aristotle or the
Aristotelian school were indebted to him in the Politics has been little
recognised, and the recognition is the more necessary because it is not made
by Aristotle himself. The two philosophers had more in common than they
were conscious of; and probably some elements of Plato remain still
undetected in Aristotle. In English philosophy too, many affinities may be
traced, not only in the works of the Cambridge Platonists, but in great
original writers like Berkeley or Coleridge, to Plato and his ideas. That
there is a truth higher than experience, of which the mind bears witness to
herself, is a conviction which in our own generation has been
enthusiastically asserted, and is perhaps gaining ground. Of the Greek
authors who at the Renaissance brought a new life into the world Plato has
had the greatest influence. The Republic of Plato is also the first treatise
upon education, of which the writings of Milton and Locke, Rousseau, Jean
Paul, and Goethe are the legitimate descendants. Like Dante or Bunyan, he
has a revelation of another life; like Bacon, he is profoundly impressed with
the unity of knowledge; in the early Church he exercised a real influence on
theology, and at the Revival of Literature on politics. Even the fragments of
his words when ‘repeated at second-hand’ (Symp. 215 D) have in all ages
ravished the hearts of men, who have seen reflected in them their own
higher nature. He is the father of idealism in philosophy, in politics, in
literature. And many of the latest conceptions of modern thinkers and
statesmen, such as the unity of knowledge, the reign of law, and the equality
of the sexes, have been anticipated in a dream by him.
The argument of the Republic is the search after Justice, the nature of
which is first hinted at by Cephalus, the just and blameless old man—then
discussed on the basis of proverbial morality by Socrates and Polemarchus
—then caricatured by Thrasymachus and partially explained by Socrates—
reduced to an abstraction by Glaucon and Adeimantus, and having become
invisible in the individual reappears at length in the ideal State which is
constructed by Socrates. The first care of the rulers is to be education, of
which an outline is drawn after the old Hellenic model, providing only for
an improved religion and morality, and more simplicity in music and

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gymnastic, a manlier strain of poetry, and greater harmony of the individual
and the State. We are thus led on to the conception of a higher State, in
which ‘no man calls anything his own,’ and in which there is neither
‘marrying nor giving in marriage,’ and ‘kings are philosophers’ and
‘philosophers are kings;’ and there is another and higher education,
intellectual as well as moral and religious, of science as well as of art, and
not of youth only but of the whole of life. Such a State is hardly to be
realized in this world and quickly degenerates. To the perfect ideal succeeds
the government of the soldier and the lover of honour, this again declining
into democracy, and democracy into tyranny, in an imaginary but regular
order having not much resemblance to the actual facts. When ‘the wheel has
come full circle’ we do not begin again with a new period of human life; but
we have passed from the best to the worst, and there we end. The subject is
then changed and the old quarrel of poetry and philosophy which had been
more lightly treated in the earlier books of the Republic is now resumed and
fought out to a conclusion. Poetry is discovered to be an imitation thrice
removed from the truth, and Homer, as well as the dramatic poets, having
been condemned as an imitator, is sent into banishment along with them.
And the idea of the State is supplemented by the revelation of a future life.
The division into books, like all similar divisions (Cp. Sir G.C. Lewis in
the Classical Museum, vol. ii. p 1.), is probably later than the age of Plato.
The natural divisions are five in number;—(1) Book I and the first half of
Book II down to the paragraph beginning, ‘I had always admired the genius
of Glaucon and Adeimantus,’ which is introductory; the first book
containing a refutation of the popular and sophistical notions of justice, and
concluding, like some of the earlier Dialogues, without arriving at any
definite result. To this is appended a restatement of the nature of justice
according to common opinion, and an answer is demanded to the question
—What is justice, stripped of appearances? The second division (2)
includes the remainder of the second and the whole of the third and fourth
books, which are mainly occupied with the construction of the first State
and the first education. The third division (3) consists of the fifth, sixth, and
seventh books, in which philosophy rather than justice is the subject of
enquiry, and the second State is constructed on principles of communism
and ruled by philosophers, and the contemplation of the idea of good takes
the place of the social and political virtues. In the eighth and ninth books (4)
the perversions of States and of the individuals who correspond to them are

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reviewed in succession; and the nature of pleasure and the principle of
tyranny are further analysed in the individual man. The tenth book (5) is the
conclusion of the whole, in which the relations of philosophy to poetry are
finally determined, and the happiness of the citizens in this life, which has
now been assured, is crowned by the vision of another.
Or a more general division into two parts may be adopted; the first
(Books I - IV) containing the description of a State framed generally in
accordance with Hellenic notions of religion and morality, while in the
second (Books V - X) the Hellenic State is transformed into an ideal
kingdom of philosophy, of which all other governments are the perversions.
These two points of view are really opposed, and the opposition is only
veiled by the genius of Plato. The Republic, like the Phaedrus (see
Introduction to Phaedrus), is an imperfect whole; the higher light of
philosophy breaks through the regularity of the Hellenic temple, which at
last fades away into the heavens. Whether this imperfection of structure
arises from an enlargement of the plan; or from the imperfect reconcilement
in the writer’s own mind of the struggling elements of thought which are
now first brought together by him; or, perhaps, from the composition of the
work at different times—are questions, like the similar question about the
Iliad and the Odyssey, which are worth asking, but which cannot have a
distinct answer. In the age of Plato there was no regular mode of
publication, and an author would have the less scruple in altering or adding
to a work which was known only to a few of his friends. There is no
absurdity in supposing that he may have laid his labours aside for a time, or
turned from one work to another; and such interruptions would be more
likely to occur in the case of a long than of a short writing. In all attempts to
determine the chronological order of the Platonic writings on internal
evidence, this uncertainty about any single Dialogue being composed at one
time is a disturbing element, which must be admitted to affect longer works,
such as the Republic and the Laws, more than shorter ones. But, on the
other hand, the seeming discrepancies of the Republic may only arise out of
the discordant elements which the philosopher has attempted to unite in a
single whole, perhaps without being himself able to recognise the
inconsistency which is obvious to us. For there is a judgment of after ages
which few great writers have ever been able to anticipate for themselves.
They do not perceive the want of connexion in their own writings, or the
gaps in their systems which are visible enough to those who come after

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them. In the beginnings of literature and philosophy, amid the first efforts of
thought and language, more inconsistencies occur than now, when the paths
of speculation are well worn and the meaning of words precisely defined.
For consistency, too, is the growth of time; and some of the greatest
creations of the human mind have been wanting in unity. Tried by this test,
several of the Platonic Dialogues, according to our modern ideas, appear to
be defective, but the deficiency is no proof that they were composed at
different times or by different hands. And the supposition that the Republic
was written uninterruptedly and by a continuous effort is in some degree
confirmed by the numerous references from one part of the work to another.
The second title, ‘Concerning Justice,’ is not the one by which the
Republic is quoted, either by Aristotle or generally in antiquity, and, like the
other second titles of the Platonic Dialogues, may therefore be assumed to
be of later date. Morgenstern and others have asked whether the definition
of justice, which is the professed aim, or the construction of the State is the
principal argument of the work. The answer is, that the two blend in one,
and are two faces of the same truth; for justice is the order of the State, and
the State is the visible embodiment of justice under the conditions of human
society. The one is the soul and the other is the body, and the Greek ideal of
the State, as of the individual, is a fair mind in a fair body. In Hegelian
phraseology the state is the reality of which justice is the idea. Or, described
in Christian language, the kingdom of God is within, and yet developes into
a Church or external kingdom; ‘the house not made with hands, eternal in
the heavens,’ is reduced to the proportions of an earthly building. Or, to use
a Platonic image, justice and the State are the warp and the woof which run
through the whole texture. And when the constitution of the State is
completed, the conception of justice is not dismissed, but reappears under
the same or different names throughout the work, both as the inner law of
the individual soul, and finally as the principle of rewards and punishments
in another life. The virtues are based on justice, of which common honesty
in buying and selling is the shadow, and justice is based on the idea of good,
which is the harmony of the world, and is reflected both in the institutions
of states and in motions of the heavenly bodies (cp. Tim. 47). The Timaeus,
which takes up the political rather than the ethical side of the Republic, and
is chiefly occupied with hypotheses concerning the outward world, yet
contains many indications that the same law is supposed to reign over the
State, over nature, and over man.

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Too much, however, has been made of this question both in ancient and
modern times. There is a stage of criticism in which all works, whether of
nature or of art, are referred to design. Now in ancient writings, and indeed
in literature generally, there remains often a large element which was not
comprehended in the original design. For the plan grows under the author’s
hand; new thoughts occur to him in the act of writing; he has not worked
out the argument to the end before he begins. The reader who seeks to find
some one idea under which the whole may be conceived, must necessarily
seize on the vaguest and most general. Thus Stallbaum, who is dissatisfied
with the ordinary explanations of the argument of the Republic, imagines
himself to have found the true argument ‘in the representation of human life
in a State perfected by justice, and governed according to the idea of good.’
There may be some use in such general descriptions, but they can hardly be
said to express the design of the writer. The truth is, that we may as well
speak of many designs as of one; nor need anything be excluded from the
plan of a great work to which the mind is naturally led by the association of
ideas, and which does not interfere with the general purpose. What kind or
degree of unity is to be sought after in a building, in the plastic arts, in
poetry, in prose, is a problem which has to be determined relatively to the
subject-matter. To Plato himself, the enquiry ‘what was the intention of the
writer,’ or ‘what was the principal argument of the Republic’ would have
been hardly intelligible, and therefore had better be at once dismissed (cp.
the Introduction to the Phaedrus).
Is not the Republic the vehicle of three or four great truths which, to
Plato’s own mind, are most naturally represented in the form of the State?
Just as in the Jewish prophets the reign of Messiah, or ‘the day of the Lord,’
or the suffering Servant or people of God, or the ‘Sun of righteousness with
healing in his wings’ only convey, to us at least, their great spiritual ideals,
so through the Greek State Plato reveals to us his own thoughts about divine
perfection, which is the idea of good—like the sun in the visible world;—
about human perfection, which is justice—about education beginning in
youth and continuing in later years—about poets and sophists and tyrants
who are the false teachers and evil rulers of mankind—about ‘the world’
which is the embodiment of them—about a kingdom which exists nowhere
upon earth but is laid up in heaven to be the pattern and rule of human life.
No such inspired creation is at unity with itself, any more than the clouds of
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of truth, and of fiction which is the veil of truth, is allowable in a work of
philosophical imagination. It is not all on the same plane; it easily passes
from ideas to myths and fancies, from facts to figures of speech. It is not
prose but poetry, at least a great part of it, and ought not to be judged by the
rules of logic or the probabilities of history. The writer is not fashioning his
ideas into an artistic whole; they take possession of him and are too much
for him. We have no need therefore to discuss whether a State such as Plato
has conceived is practicable or not, or whether the outward form or the
inward life came first into the mind of the writer. For the practicability of
his ideas has nothing to do with their truth; and the highest thoughts to
which he attains may be truly said to bear the greatest ‘marks of design’—
justice more than the external frame-work of the State, the idea of good
more than justice. The great science of dialectic or the organisation of ideas
has no real content; but is only a type of the method or spirit in which the
higher knowledge is to be pursued by the spectator of all time and all
existence. It is in the fifth, sixth, and seventh books that Plato reaches the
‘summit of speculation,’ and these, although they fail to satisfy the
requirements of a modern thinker, may therefore be regarded as the most
important, as they are also the most original, portions of the work.
It is not necessary to discuss at length a minor question which has been
raised by Boeckh, respecting the imaginary date at which the conversation
was held (the year 411 B.C. which is proposed by him will do as well as
any other); for a writer of fiction, and especially a writer who, like Plato, is
notoriously careless of chronology (cp. Rep., Symp., 193 A, etc.), only aims
at general probability. Whether all the persons mentioned in the Republic
could ever have met at any one time is not a difficulty which would have
occurred to an Athenian reading the work forty years later, or to Plato
himself at the time of writing (any more than to Shakespeare respecting one
of his own dramas); and need not greatly trouble us now. Yet this may be a
question having no answer ‘which is still worth asking,’ because the
investigation shows that we cannot argue historically from the dates in
Plato; it would be useless therefore to waste time in inventing far-fetched
reconcilements of them in order to avoid chronological difficulties, such,
for example, as the conjecture of C.F. Hermann, that Glaucon and
Adeimantus are not the brothers but the uncles of Plato (cp. Apol. 34 A), or
the fancy of Stallbaum that Plato intentionally left anachronisms indicating
the dates at which some of his Dialogues were written.

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The principal characters in the Republic are Cephalus, Polemarchus,
Thrasymachus, Socrates, Glaucon, and Adeimantus. Cephalus appears in
the introduction only, Polemarchus drops at the end of the first argument,
and Thrasymachus is reduced to silence at the close of the first book. The
main discussion is carried on by Socrates, Glaucon, and Adeimantus.
Among the company are Lysias (the orator) and Euthydemus, the sons of
Cephalus and brothers of Polemarchus, an unknown Charmantides—these
are mute auditors; also there is Cleitophon, who once interrupts, where, as
in the Dialogue which bears his name, he appears as the friend and ally of
Thrasymachus.
Cephalus, the patriarch of the house, has been appropriately engaged in
offering a sacrifice. He is the pattern of an old man who has almost done
with life, and is at peace with himself and with all mankind. He feels that he
is drawing nearer to the world below, and seems to linger around the
memory of the past. He is eager that Socrates should come to visit him,
fond of the poetry of the last generation, happy in the consciousness of a
well-spent life, glad at having escaped from the tyranny of youthful lusts.
His love of conversation, his affection, his indifference to riches, even his
garrulity, are interesting traits of character. He is not one of those who have
nothing to say, because their whole mind has been absorbed in making
money. Yet he acknowledges that riches have the advantage of placing men
above the temptation to dishonesty or falsehood. The respectful attention
shown to him by Socrates, whose love of conversation, no less than the
mission imposed upon him by the Oracle, leads him to ask questions of all
men, young and old alike, should also be noted. Who better suited to raise
the question of justice than Cephalus, whose life might seem to be the
expression of it? The moderation with which old age is pictured by
Cephalus as a very tolerable portion of existence is characteristic, not only
of him, but of Greek feeling generally, and contrasts with the exaggeration
of Cicero in the De Senectute. The evening of life is described by Plato in
the most expressive manner, yet with the fewest possible touches. As Cicero
remarks (Ep. ad Attic. iv. 16), the aged Cephalus would have been out of
place in the discussion which follows, and which he could neither have
understood nor taken part in without a violation of dramatic propriety (cp.
Lysimachus in the Laches).
His ‘son and heir’ Polemarchus has the frankness and impetuousness of
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not ‘let him off’ on the subject of women and children. Like Cephalus, he is
limited in his point of view, and represents the proverbial stage of morality
which has rules of life rather than principles; and he quotes Simonides (cp.
Aristoph. Clouds) as his father had quoted Pindar. But after this he has no
more to say; the answers which he makes are only elicited from him by the
dialectic of Socrates. He has not yet experienced the influence of the
Sophists like Glaucon and Adeimantus, nor is he sensible of the necessity of
refuting them; he belongs to the pre-Socratic or pre-dialectical age. He is
incapable of arguing, and is bewildered by Socrates to such a degree that he
does not know what he is saying. He is made to admit that justice is a thief,
and that the virtues follow the analogy of the arts. From his brother Lysias
(contra Eratosth.) we learn that he fell a victim to the Thirty Tyrants, but no
allusion is here made to his fate, nor to the circumstance that Cephalus and
his family were of Syracusan origin, and had migrated from Thurii to
Athens.
The ‘Chalcedonian giant,’ Thrasymachus, of whom we have already
heard in the Phaedrus, is the personification of the Sophists, according to
Plato’s conception of them, in some of their worst characteristics. He is vain
and blustering, refusing to discourse unless he is paid, fond of making an
oration, and hoping thereby to escape the inevitable Socrates; but a mere
child in argument, and unable to foresee that the next ‘move’ (to use a
Platonic expression) will ‘shut him up.’ He has reached the stage of framing
general notions, and in this respect is in advance of Cephalus and
Polemarchus. But he is incapable of defending them in a discussion, and
vainly tries to cover his confusion with banter and insolence. Whether such
doctrines as are attributed to him by Plato were really held either by him or
by any other Sophist is uncertain; in the infancy of philosophy serious
errors about morality might easily grow up—they are certainly put into the
mouths of speakers in Thucydides; but we are concerned at present with
Plato’s description of him, and not with the historical reality. The inequality
of the contest adds greatly to the humour of the scene. The pompous and
empty Sophist is utterly helpless in the hands of the great master of
dialectic, who knows how to touch all the springs of vanity and weakness in
him. He is greatly irritated by the irony of Socrates, but his noisy and
imbecile rage only lays him more and more open to the thrusts of his
assailant. His determination to cram down their throats, or put ‘bodily into
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his temper is quite as worthy of remark as the process of the argument.
Nothing is more amusing than his complete submission when he has been
once thoroughly beaten. At first he seems to continue the discussion with
reluctance, but soon with apparent good-will, and he even testifies his
interest at a later stage by one or two occasional remarks. When attacked by
Glaucon he is humorously protected by Socrates ‘as one who has never
been his enemy and is now his friend.’ From Cicero and Quintilian and
from Aristotle’s Rhetoric we learn that the Sophist whom Plato has made so
ridiculous was a man of note whose writings were preserved in later ages.
The play on his name which was made by his contemporary Herodicus
(Aris. Rhet.), ‘thou wast ever bold in battle,’ seems to show that the
description of him is not devoid of verisimilitude.
When Thrasymachus has been silenced, the two principal respondents,
Glaucon and Adeimantus, appear on the scene: here, as in Greek tragedy
(cp. Introd. to Phaedo), three actors are introduced. At first sight the two
sons of Ariston may seem to wear a family likeness, like the two friends
Simmias and Cebes in the Phaedo. But on a nearer examination of them the
similarity vanishes, and they are seen to be distinct characters. Glaucon is
the impetuous youth who can ‘just never have enough of fechting’ (cp. the
character of him in Xen. Mem. iii. 6); the man of pleasure who is
acquainted with the mysteries of love; the ‘juvenis qui gaudet canibus,’ and
who improves the breed of animals; the lover of art and music who has all
the experiences of youthful life. He is full of quickness and penetration,
piercing easily below the clumsy platitudes of Thrasymachus to the real
difficulty; he turns out to the light the seamy side of human life, and yet
does not lose faith in the just and true. It is Glaucon who seizes what may
be termed the ludicrous relation of the philosopher to the world, to whom a
state of simplicity is ‘a city of pigs,’ who is always prepared with a jest
when the argument offers him an opportunity, and who is ever ready to
second the humour of Socrates and to appreciate the ridiculous, whether in
the connoisseurs of music, or in the lovers of theatricals, or in the fantastic
behaviour of the citizens of democracy. His weaknesses are several times
alluded to by Socrates, who, however, will not allow him to be attacked by
his brother Adeimantus. He is a soldier, and, like Adeimantus, has been
distinguished at the battle of Megara (anno 456?)...The character of
Adeimantus is deeper and graver, and the profounder objections are
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generally opens the game. Adeimantus pursues the argument further.
Glaucon has more of the liveliness and quick sympathy of youth;
Adeimantus has the maturer judgment of a grown-up man of the world. In
the second book, when Glaucon insists that justice and injustice shall be
considered without regard to their consequences, Adeimantus remarks that
they are regarded by mankind in general only for the sake of their
consequences; and in a similar vein of reflection he urges at the beginning
of the fourth book that Socrates fails in making his citizens happy, and is
answered that happiness is not the first but the second thing, not the direct
aim but the indirect consequence of the good government of a State. In the
discussion about religion and mythology, Adeimantus is the respondent, but
Glaucon breaks in with a slight jest, and carries on the conversation in a
lighter tone about music and gymnastic to the end of the book. It is
Adeimantus again who volunteers the criticism of common sense on the
Socratic method of argument, and who refuses to let Socrates pass lightly
over the question of women and children. It is Adeimantus who is the
respondent in the more argumentative, as Glaucon in the lighter and more
imaginative portions of the Dialogue. For example, throughout the greater
part of the sixth book, the causes of the corruption of philosophy and the
conception of the idea of good are discussed with Adeimantus. Glaucon
resumes his place of principal respondent; but he has a difficulty in
apprehending the higher education of Socrates, and makes some false hits
in the course of the discussion. Once more Adeimantus returns with the
allusion to his brother Glaucon whom he compares to the contentious State;
in the next book he is again superseded, and Glaucon continues to the end.
Thus in a succession of characters Plato represents the successive stages
of morality, beginning with the Athenian gentleman of the olden time, who
is followed by the practical man of that day regulating his life by proverbs
and saws; to him succeeds the wild generalization of the Sophists, and lastly
come the young disciples of the great teacher, who know the sophistical
arguments but will not be convinced by them, and desire to go deeper into
the nature of things. These too, like Cephalus, Polemarchus, Thrasymachus,
are clearly distinguished from one another. Neither in the Republic, nor in
any other Dialogue of Plato, is a single character repeated.
The delineation of Socrates in the Republic is not wholly consistent. In
the first book we have more of the real Socrates, such as he is depicted in
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Apology. He is ironical, provoking, questioning, the old enemy of the
Sophists, ready to put on the mask of Silenus as well as to argue seriously.
But in the sixth book his enmity towards the Sophists abates; he
acknowledges that they are the representatives rather than the corrupters of
the world. He also becomes more dogmatic and constructive, passing
beyond the range either of the political or the speculative ideas of the real
Socrates. In one passage Plato himself seems to intimate that the time had
now come for Socrates, who had passed his whole life in philosophy, to
give his own opinion and not to be always repeating the notions of other
men. There is no evidence that either the idea of good or the conception of a
perfect state were comprehended in the Socratic teaching, though he
certainly dwelt on the nature of the universal and of final causes (cp. Xen.
Mem.; Phaedo); and a deep thinker like him, in his thirty or forty years of
public teaching, could hardly have failed to touch on the nature of family
relations, for which there is also some positive evidence in the Memorabilia
(Mem.) The Socratic method is nominally retained; and every inference is
either put into the mouth of the respondent or represented as the common
discovery of him and Socrates. But any one can see that this is a mere form,
of which the affectation grows wearisome as the work advances. The
method of enquiry has passed into a method of teaching in which by the
help of interlocutors the same thesis is looked at from various points of
view. The nature of the process is truly characterized by Glaucon, when he
describes himself as a companion who is not good for much in an
investigation, but can see what he is shown, and may, perhaps, give the
answer to a question more fluently than another.
Neither can we be absolutely certain that Socrates himself taught the
immortality of the soul, which is unknown to his disciple Glaucon in the
Republic (cp. Apol.); nor is there any reason to suppose that he used myths
or revelations of another world as a vehicle of instruction, or that he would
have banished poetry or have denounced the Greek mythology. His favorite
oath is retained, and a slight mention is made of the daemonium, or internal
sign, which is alluded to by Socrates as a phenomenon peculiar to himself.
A real element of Socratic teaching, which is more prominent in the
Republic than in any of the other Dialogues of Plato, is the use of example
and illustration τὰ φορτικὰ αὐτῷ προσφέροντες, ‘Let us apply the test of
common instances.’ ‘You,’ says Adeimantus, ironically, in the sixth book,
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images, though truly Socratic in origin, is enlarged by the genius of Plato
into the form of an allegory or parable, which embodies in the concrete
what has been already described, or is about to be described, in the abstract.
Thus the figure of the cave in Book VII is a recapitulation of the divisions
of knowledge in Book VI. The composite animal in Book IX is an allegory
of the parts of the soul. The noble captain and the ship and the true pilot in
Book VI are a figure of the relation of the people to the philosophers in the
State which has been described. Other figures, such as the dog, or the
marriage of the portionless maiden, or the drones and wasps in the eighth
and ninth books, also form links of connexion in long passages, or are used
to recall previous discussions.
Plato is most true to the character of his master when he describes him as
‘not of this world.’ And with this representation of him the ideal state and
the other paradoxes of the Republic are quite in accordance, though they
cannot be shown to have been speculations of Socrates. To him, as to other
great teachers both philosophical and religious, when they looked upward,
the world seemed to be the embodiment of error and evil. The common
sense of mankind has revolted against this view, or has only partially
admitted it. And even in Socrates himself the sterner judgement of the
multitude at times passes into a sort of ironical pity or love. Men in general
are incapable of philosophy, and are therefore at enmity with the
philosopher; but their misunderstanding of him is unavoidable: for they
have never seen him as he truly is in his own image; they are only
acquainted with artificial systems possessing no native force of truth—
words which admit of many applications. Their leaders have nothing to
measure with, and are therefore ignorant of their own stature. But they are
to be pitied or laughed at, not to be quarrelled with; they mean well with
their nostrums, if they could only learn that they are cutting off a Hydra’s
head. This moderation towards those who are in error is one of the most
characteristic features of Socrates in the Republic. In all the different
representations of Socrates, whether of Xenophon or Plato, and amid the
differences of the earlier or later Dialogues, he always retains the character
of the unwearied and disinterested seeker after truth, without which he
would have ceased to be Socrates.
Leaving the characters we may now analyse the contents of the Republic,
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of the State, (2) The modern lights in which the thoughts of Plato may be
read.
BOOK I. The Republic opens with a truly Greek scene—a festival in
honour of the goddess Bendis which is held in the Piraeus; to this is added
the promise of an equestrian torch-race in the evening. The whole work is
supposed to be recited by Socrates on the day after the festival to a small
party, consisting of Critias, Timaeus, Hermocrates, and another; this we
learn from the first words of the Timaeus.
When the rhetorical advantage of reciting the Dialogue has been gained,
the attention is not distracted by any reference to the audience; nor is the
reader further reminded of the extraordinary length of the narrative. Of the
numerous company, three only take any serious part in the discussion; nor
are we informed whether in the evening they went to the torch-race, or
talked, as in the Symposium, through the night. The manner in which the
conversation has arisen is described as follows:—Socrates and his
companion Glaucon are about to leave the festival when they are detained
by a message from Polemarchus, who speedily appears accompanied by
Adeimantus, the brother of Glaucon, and with playful violence compels
them to remain, promising them not only the torch-race, but the pleasure of
conversation with the young, which to Socrates is a far greater attraction.
They return to the house of Cephalus, Polemarchus’ father, now in extreme
old age, who is found sitting upon a cushioned seat crowned for a sacrifice.
‘You should come to me oftener, Socrates, for I am too old to go to you; and
at my time of life, having lost other pleasures, I care the more for
conversation.’ Socrates asks him what he thinks of age, to which the old
man replies, that the sorrows and discontents of age are to be attributed to
the tempers of men, and that age is a time of peace in which the tyranny of
the passions is no longer felt. Yes, replies Socrates, but the world will say,
Cephalus, that you are happy in old age because you are rich. ‘And there is
something in what they say, Socrates, but not so much as they imagine—as
Themistocles replied to the Seriphian, “Neither you, if you had been an
Athenian, nor I, if I had been a Seriphian, would ever have been famous,” I
might in like manner reply to you, Neither a good poor man can be happy in
age, nor yet a bad rich man.’ Socrates remarks that Cephalus appears not to
care about riches, a quality which he ascribes to his having inherited, not
acquired them, and would like to know what he considers to be the chief
advantage of them. Cephalus answers that when you are old the belief in the

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world below grows upon you, and then to have done justice and never to
have been compelled to do injustice through poverty, and never to have
deceived anyone, are felt to be unspeakable blessings. Socrates, who is
evidently preparing for an argument, next asks, What is the meaning of the
word justice? To tell the truth and pay your debts? No more than this? Or
must we admit exceptions? Ought I, for example, to put back into the hands
of my friend, who has gone mad, the sword which I borrowed of him when
he was in his right mind? ‘There must be exceptions.’ ‘And yet,’ says
Polemarchus, ‘the definition which has been given has the authority of
Simonides.’ Here Cephalus retires to look after the sacrifices, and
bequeaths, as Socrates facetiously remarks, the possession of the argument
to his heir, Polemarchus...
The description of old age is finished, and Plato, as his manner is, has
touched the key-note of the whole work in asking for the definition of
justice, first suggesting the question which Glaucon afterwards pursues
respecting external goods, and preparing for the concluding mythus of the
world below in the slight allusion of Cephalus. The portrait of the just man
is a natural frontispiece or introduction to the long discourse which follows,
and may perhaps imply that in all our perplexity about the nature of justice,
there is no difficulty in discerning ‘who is a just man.’ The first explanation
has been supported by a saying of Simonides; and now Socrates has a mind
to show that the resolution of justice into two unconnected precepts, which
have no common principle, fails to satisfy the demands of dialectic.
...He proceeds: What did Simonides mean by this saying of his? Did he
mean that I was to give back arms to a madman? ‘No, not in that case, not if
the parties are friends, and evil would result. He meant that you were to do
what was proper, good to friends and harm to enemies.’ Every act does
something to somebody; and following this analogy, Socrates asks, What is
this due and proper thing which justice does, and to whom? He is answered
that justice does good to friends and harm to enemies. But in what way
good or harm? ‘In making alliances with the one, and going to war with the
other.’ Then in time of peace what is the good of justice? The answer is that
justice is of use in contracts, and contracts are money partnerships. Yes; but
how in such partnerships is the just man of more use than any other man?
‘When you want to have money safely kept and not used.’ Then justice will
be useful when money is useless. And there is another difficulty: justice,
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well as at defence, at stealing as well as at guarding. But then justice is a
thief, though a hero notwithstanding, like Autolycus, the Homeric hero,
who was ‘excellent above all men in theft and perjury’—to such a pass have
you and Homer and Simonides brought us; though I do not forget that the
thieving must be for the good of friends and the harm of enemies. And still
there arises another question: Are friends to be interpreted as real or
seeming; enemies as real or seeming? And are our friends to be only the
good, and our enemies to be the evil? The answer is, that we must do good
to our seeming and real good friends, and evil to our seeming and real evil
enemies—good to the good, evil to the evil. But ought we to render evil for
evil at all, when to do so will only make men more evil? Can justice
produce injustice any more than the art of horsemanship can make bad
horsemen, or heat produce cold? The final conclusion is, that no sage or
poet ever said that the just return evil for evil; this was a maxim of some
rich and mighty man, Periander, Perdiccas, or Ismenias the Theban (about
B.C. 398-381)...
Thus the first stage of aphoristic or unconscious morality is shown to be
inadequate to the wants of the age; the authority of the poets is set aside,
and through the winding mazes of dialectic we make an approach to the
Christian precept of forgiveness of injuries. Similar words are applied by
the Persian mystic poet to the Divine being when the questioning spirit is
stirred within him:—‘If because I do evil, Thou punishest me by evil, what
is the difference between Thee and me?’ In this both Plato and Kheyam rise
above the level of many Christian (?) theologians. The first definition of
justice easily passes into the second; for the simple words ‘to speak the
truth and pay your debts’ is substituted the more abstract ‘to do good to
your friends and harm to your enemies.’ Either of these explanations gives a
sufficient rule of life for plain men, but they both fall short of the precision
of philosophy. We may note in passing the antiquity of casuistry, which not
only arises out of the conflict of established principles in particular cases,
but also out of the effort to attain them, and is prior as well as posterior to
our fundamental notions of morality. The ‘interrogation’ of moral ideas; the
appeal to the authority of Homer; the conclusion that the maxim, ‘Do good
to your friends and harm to your enemies,’ being erroneous, could not have
been the word of any great man, are all of them very characteristic of the
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...Here Thrasymachus, who has made several attempts to interrupt, but
has hitherto been kept in order by the company, takes advantage of a pause
and rushes into the arena, beginning, like a savage animal, with a roar.
‘Socrates,’ he says, ‘what folly is this?—Why do you agree to be
vanquished by one another in a pretended argument?’ He then prohibits all
the ordinary definitions of justice; to which Socrates replies that he cannot
tell how many twelve is, if he is forbidden to say 2 x 6, or 3 x 4, or 6 x 2, or
4 x 3. At first Thrasymachus is reluctant to argue; but at length, with a
promise of payment on the part of the company and of praise from Socrates,
he is induced to open the game. ‘Listen,’ he says, ‘my answer is that might
is right, justice the interest of the stronger: now praise me.’ Let me
understand you first. Do you mean that because Polydamas the wrestler,
who is stronger than we are, finds the eating of beef for his interest, the
eating of beef is also for our interest, who are not so strong? Thrasymachus
is indignant at the illustration, and in pompous words, apparently intended
to restore dignity to the argument, he explains his meaning to be that the
rulers make laws for their own interests. But suppose, says Socrates, that
the ruler or stronger makes a mistake—then the interest of the stronger is
not his interest. Thrasymachus is saved from this speedy downfall by his
disciple Cleitophon, who introduces the word ‘thinks;’—not the actual
interest of the ruler, but what he thinks or what seems to be his interest, is
justice. The contradiction is escaped by the unmeaning evasion: for though
his real and apparent interests may differ, what the ruler thinks to be his
interest will always remain what he thinks to be his interest.
Of course this was not the original assertion, nor is the new interpretation
accepted by Thrasymachus himself. But Socrates is not disposed to quarrel
about words, if, as he significantly insinuates, his adversary has changed his
mind. In what follows Thrasymachus does in fact withdraw his admission
that the ruler may make a mistake, for he affirms that the ruler as a ruler is
infallible. Socrates is quite ready to accept the new position, which he
equally turns against Thrasymachus by the help of the analogy of the arts.
Every art or science has an interest, but this interest is to be distinguished
from the accidental interest of the artist, and is only concerned with the
good of the things or persons which come under the art. And justice has an
interest which is the interest not of the ruler or judge, but of those who
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Thrasymachus is on the brink of the inevitable conclusion, when he
makes a bold diversion. ‘Tell me, Socrates,’ he says, ‘have you a nurse?’
What a question! Why do you ask? ‘Because, if you have, she neglects you
and lets you go about drivelling, and has not even taught you to know the
shepherd from the sheep. For you fancy that shepherds and rulers never
think of their own interest, but only of their sheep or subjects, whereas the
truth is that they fatten them for their use, sheep and subjects alike. And
experience proves that in every relation of life the just man is the loser and
the unjust the gainer, especially where injustice is on the grand scale, which
is quite another thing from the petty rogueries of swindlers and burglars and
robbers of temples. The language of men proves this—our ‘gracious’ and
‘blessed’ tyrant and the like—all which tends to show (1) that justice is the
interest of the stronger; and (2) that injustice is more profitable and also
stronger than justice.’
Thrasymachus, who is better at a speech than at a close argument, having
deluged the company with words, has a mind to escape. But the others will
not let him go, and Socrates adds a humble but earnest request that he will
not desert them at such a crisis of their fate. ‘And what can I do more for
you?’ he says; ‘would you have me put the words bodily into your souls?’
God forbid! replies Socrates; but we want you to be consistent in the use of
terms, and not to employ ‘physician’ in an exact sense, and then again
‘shepherd’ or ‘ruler’ in an inexact,—if the words are strictly taken, the ruler
and the shepherd look only to the good of their people or flocks and not to
their own: whereas you insist that rulers are solely actuated by love of
office. ‘No doubt about it,’ replies Thrasymachus. Then why are they paid?
Is not the reason, that their interest is not comprehended in their art, and is
therefore the concern of another art, the art of pay, which is common to the
arts in general, and therefore not identical with any one of them? Nor would
any man be a ruler unless he were induced by the hope of reward or the fear
of punishment;—the reward is money or honour, the punishment is the
necessity of being ruled by a man worse than himself. And if a State (or
Church) were composed entirely of good men, they would be affected by
the last motive only; and there would be as much ‘nolo episcopari’ as there
is at present of the opposite...
The satire on existing governments is heightened by the simple and
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is a similar irony in the argument that the governors of mankind do not like
being in office, and that therefore they demand pay.
...Enough of this: the other assertion of Thrasymachus is far more
important—that the unjust life is more gainful than the just. Now, as you
and I, Glaucon, are not convinced by him, we must reply to him; but if we
try to compare their respective gains we shall want a judge to decide for us;
we had better therefore proceed by making mutual admissions of the truth
to one another.
Thrasymachus had asserted that perfect injustice was more gainful than
perfect justice, and after a little hesitation he is induced by Socrates to
admit the still greater paradox that injustice is virtue and justice vice.
Socrates praises his frankness, and assumes the attitude of one whose only
wish is to understand the meaning of his opponents. At the same time he is
weaving a net in which Thrasymachus is finally enclosed. The admission is
elicited from him that the just man seeks to gain an advantage over the
unjust only, but not over the just, while the unjust would gain an advantage
over either. Socrates, in order to test this statement, employs once more the
favourite analogy of the arts. The musician, doctor, skilled artist of any sort,
does not seek to gain more than the skilled, but only more than the unskilled
(that is to say, he works up to a rule, standard, law, and does not exceed it),
whereas the unskilled makes random efforts at excess. Thus the skilled falls
on the side of the good, and the unskilled on the side of the evil, and the just
is the skilled, and the unjust is the unskilled.
There was great difficulty in bringing Thrasymachus to the point; the day
was hot and he was streaming with perspiration, and for the first time in his
life he was seen to blush. But his other thesis that injustice was stronger
than justice has not yet been refuted, and Socrates now proceeds to the
consideration of this, which, with the assistance of Thrasymachus, he hopes
to clear up; the latter is at first churlish, but in the judicious hands of
Socrates is soon restored to good-humour: Is there not honour among
thieves? Is not the strength of injustice only a remnant of justice? Is not
absolute injustice absolute weakness also? A house that is divided against
itself cannot stand; two men who quarrel detract from one another’s
strength, and he who is at war with himself is the enemy of himself and the
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a remnant of good is needed in order to make union in action possible,—
there is no kingdom of evil in this world.
Another question has not been answered: Is the just or the unjust the
happier? To this we reply, that every art has an end and an excellence or
virtue by which the end is accomplished. And is not the end of the soul
happiness, and justice the excellence of the soul by which happiness is
attained? Justice and happiness being thus shown to be inseparable, the
question whether the just or the unjust is the happier has disappeared.
Thrasymachus replies: ‘Let this be your entertainment, Socrates, at the
festival of Bendis.’ Yes; and a very good entertainment with which your
kindness has supplied me, now that you have left off scolding. And yet not a
good entertainment—but that was my own fault, for I tasted of too many
things. First of all the nature of justice was the subject of our enquiry, and
then whether justice is virtue and wisdom, or evil and folly; and then the
comparative advantages of just and unjust: and the sum of all is that I know
not what justice is; how then shall I know whether the just is happy or
not?...
Thus the sophistical fabric has been demolished, chiefly by appealing to
the analogy of the arts. ‘Justice is like the arts (1) in having no external
interest, and (2) in not aiming at excess, and (3) justice is to happiness what
the implement of the workman is to his work.’ At this the modern reader is
apt to stumble, because he forgets that Plato is writing in an age when the
arts and the virtues, like the moral and intellectual faculties, were still
undistinguished. Among early enquirers into the nature of human action the
arts helped to fill up the void of speculation; and at first the comparison of
the arts and the virtues was not perceived by them to be fallacious. They
only saw the points of agreement in them and not the points of difference.
Virtue, like art, must take means to an end; good manners are both an art
and a virtue; character is naturally described under the image of a statue;
and there are many other figures of speech which are readily transferred
from art to morals. The next generation cleared up these perplexities; or at
least supplied after ages with a further analysis of them. The contemporaries
of Plato were in a state of transition, and had not yet fully realized the
common-sense distinction of Aristotle, that ‘virtue is concerned with action,
art with production’ (Nic. Eth.), or that ‘virtue implies intention and
constancy of purpose,’ whereas ‘art requires knowledge only’. And yet in

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the absurdities which follow from some uses of the analogy, there seems to
be an intimation conveyed that virtue is more than art. This is implied in the
reductio ad absurdum that ‘justice is a thief,’ and in the dissatisfaction
which Socrates expresses at the final result.
The expression ‘an art of pay’ which is described as ‘common to all the
arts’ is not in accordance with the ordinary use of language. Nor is it
employed elsewhere either by Plato or by any other Greek writer. It is
suggested by the argument, and seems to extend the conception of art to
doing as well as making. Another flaw or inaccuracy of language may be
noted in the words ‘men who are injured are made more unjust.’ For those
who are injured are not necessarily made worse, but only harmed or ill-
treated.
The second of the three arguments, ‘that the just does not aim at excess,’
has a real meaning, though wrapped up in an enigmatical form. That the
good is of the nature of the finite is a peculiarly Hellenic sentiment, which
may be compared with the language of those modern writers who speak of
virtue as fitness, and of freedom as obedience to law. The mathematical or
logical notion of limit easily passes into an ethical one, and even finds a
mythological expression in the conception of envy (Greek). Ideas of
measure, equality, order, unity, proportion, still linger in the writings of
moralists; and the true spirit of the fine arts is better conveyed by such
terms than by superlatives.
‘When workmen strive to do better than well,
They do confound their skill in covetousness.’ (King John. Act. iv. Sc. 2.)

The harmony of the soul and body, and of the parts of the soul with one
another, a harmony ‘fairer than that of musical notes,’ is the true Hellenic
mode of conceiving the perfection of human nature.
In what may be called the epilogue of the discussion with Thrasymachus,
Plato argues that evil is not a principle of strength, but of discord and
dissolution, just touching the question which has been often treated in
modern times by theologians and philosophers, of the negative nature of
evil. In the last argument we trace the germ of the Aristotelian doctrine of
an end and a virtue directed towards the end, which again is suggested by
the arts. The final reconcilement of justice and happiness and the identity of
the individual and the State are also intimated. Socrates reassumes the
character of a ‘know-nothing;’ at the same time he appears to be not wholly

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satisfied with the manner in which the argument has been conducted.
Nothing is concluded; but the tendency of the dialectical process, here as
always, is to enlarge our conception of ideas, and to widen their application
to human life.
BOOK II. Thrasymachus is pacified, but the intrepid Glaucon insists on
continuing the argument. He is not satisfied with the indirect manner in
which, at the end of the last book, Socrates had disposed of the question
‘Whether the just or the unjust is the happier.’ He begins by dividing goods
into three classes:—first, goods desirable in themselves; secondly, goods
desirable in themselves and for their results; thirdly, goods desirable for
their results only. He then asks Socrates in which of the three classes he
would place justice. In the second class, replies Socrates, among goods
desirable for themselves and also for their results. ‘Then the world in
general are of another mind, for they say that justice belongs to the
troublesome class of goods which are desirable for their results only.
Socrates answers that this is the doctrine of Thrasymachus which he rejects.
Glaucon thinks that Thrasymachus was too ready to listen to the voice of
the charmer, and proposes to consider the nature of justice and injustice in
themselves and apart from the results and rewards of them which the world
is always dinning in his ears. He will first of all speak of the nature and
origin of justice; secondly, of the manner in which men view justice as a
necessity and not a good; and thirdly, he will prove the reasonableness of
this view.
‘To do injustice is said to be a good; to suffer injustice an evil. As the evil
is discovered by experience to be greater than the good, the sufferers, who
cannot also be doers, make a compact that they will have neither, and this
compact or mean is called justice, but is really the impossibility of doing
injustice. No one would observe such a compact if he were not obliged. Let
us suppose that the just and unjust have two rings, like that of Gyges in the
well-known story, which make them invisible, and then no difference will
appear in them, for every one will do evil if he can. And he who abstains
will be regarded by the world as a fool for his pains. Men may praise him in
public out of fear for themselves, but they will laugh at him in their hearts
(Cp. Gorgias.)
‘And now let us frame an ideal of the just and unjust. Imagine the unjust
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them; having gifts of money, speech, strength—the greatest villain bearing
the highest character: and at his side let us place the just in his nobleness
and simplicity—being, not seeming—without name or reward—clothed in
his justice only—the best of men who is thought to be the worst, and let
him die as he has lived. I might add (but I would rather put the rest into the
mouth of the panegyrists of injustice—they will tell you) that the just man
will be scourged, racked, bound, will have his eyes put out, and will at last
be crucified (literally impaled)—and all this because he ought to have
preferred seeming to being. How different is the case of the unjust who
clings to appearance as the true reality! His high character makes him a
ruler; he can marry where he likes, trade where he likes, help his friends
and hurt his enemies; having got rich by dishonesty he can worship the gods
better, and will therefore be more loved by them than the just.’
I was thinking what to answer, when Adeimantus joined in the already
unequal fray. He considered that the most important point of all had been
omitted:—‘Men are taught to be just for the sake of rewards; parents and
guardians make reputation the incentive to virtue. And other advantages are
promised by them of a more solid kind, such as wealthy marriages and high
offices. There are the pictures in Homer and Hesiod of fat sheep and heavy
fleeces, rich corn-fields and trees toppling with fruit, which the gods
provide in this life for the just. And the Orphic poets add a similar picture of
another. The heroes of Musaeus and Eumolpus lie on couches at a festival,
with garlands on their heads, enjoying as the meed of virtue a paradise of
immortal drunkenness. Some go further, and speak of a fair posterity in the
third and fourth generation. But the wicked they bury in a slough and make
them carry water in a sieve: and in this life they attribute to them the infamy
which Glaucon was assuming to be the lot of the just who are supposed to
be unjust.
‘Take another kind of argument which is found both in poetry and prose:
—“Virtue,” as Hesiod says, “is honourable but difficult, vice is easy and
profitable.” You may often see the wicked in great prosperity and the
righteous afflicted by the will of heaven. And mendicant prophets knock at
rich men’s doors, promising to atone for the sins of themselves or their
fathers in an easy fashion with sacrifices and festive games, or with charms
and invocations to get rid of an enemy good or bad by divine help and at a
small charge;—they appeal to books professing to be written by Musaeus
and Orpheus, and carry away the minds of whole cities, and promise to “get

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souls out of purgatory;” and if we refuse to listen to them, no one knows
what will happen to us.
‘When a lively-minded ingenuous youth hears all this, what will be his
conclusion? “Will he,” in the language of Pindar, “make justice his high
tower, or fortify himself with crooked deceit?” Justice, he reflects, without
the appearance of justice, is misery and ruin; injustice has the promise of a
glorious life. Appearance is master of truth and lord of happiness. To
appearance then I will turn,—I will put on the show of virtue and trail
behind me the fox of Archilochus. I hear some one saying that “wickedness
is not easily concealed,” to which I reply that “nothing great is easy.” Union
and force and rhetoric will do much; and if men say that they cannot prevail
over the gods, still how do we know that there are gods? Only from the
poets, who acknowledge that they may be appeased by sacrifices. Then why
not sin and pay for indulgences out of your sin? For if the righteous are only
unpunished, still they have no further reward, while the wicked may be
unpunished and have the pleasure of sinning too. But what of the world
below? Nay, says the argument, there are atoning powers who will set that
matter right, as the poets, who are the sons of the gods, tell us; and this is
confirmed by the authority of the State.
‘How can we resist such arguments in favour of injustice? Add good
manners, and, as the wise tell us, we shall make the best of both worlds.
Who that is not a miserable caitiff will refrain from smiling at the praises of
justice? Even if a man knows the better part he will not be angry with
others; for he knows also that more than human virtue is needed to save a
man, and that he only praises justice who is incapable of injustice.
‘The origin of the evil is that all men from the beginning, heroes, poets,
instructors of youth, have always asserted “the temporal dispensation,” the
honours and profits of justice. Had we been taught in early youth the power
of justice and injustice inherent in the soul, and unseen by any human or
divine eye, we should not have needed others to be our guardians, but every
one would have been the guardian of himself. This is what I want you to
show, Socrates;—other men use arguments which rather tend to strengthen
the position of Thrasymachus that “might is right;” but from you I expect
better things. And please, as Glaucon said, to exclude reputation; let the just
be thought unjust and the unjust just, and do you still prove to us the
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The thesis, which for the sake of argument has been maintained by
Glaucon, is the converse of that of Thrasymachus—not right is the interest
of the stronger, but right is the necessity of the weaker. Starting from the
same premises he carries the analysis of society a step further back;—might
is still right, but the might is the weakness of the many combined against
the strength of the few.
There have been theories in modern as well as in ancient times which
have a family likeness to the speculations of Glaucon; e.g. that power is the
foundation of right; or that a monarch has a divine right to govern well or
ill; or that virtue is self-love or the love of power; or that war is the natural
state of man; or that private vices are public benefits. All such theories have
a kind of plausibility from their partial agreement with experience. For
human nature oscillates between good and evil, and the motives of actions
and the origin of institutions may be explained to a certain extent on either
hypothesis according to the character or point of view of a particular
thinker. The obligation of maintaining authority under all circumstances and
sometimes by rather questionable means is felt strongly and has become a
sort of instinct among civilized men. The divine right of kings, or more
generally of governments, is one of the forms under which this natural
feeling is expressed. Nor again is there any evil which has not some
accompaniment of good or pleasure; nor any good which is free from some
alloy of evil; nor any noble or generous thought which may not be attended
by a shadow or the ghost of a shadow of self-interest or of self-love. We
know that all human actions are imperfect; but we do not therefore attribute
them to the worse rather than to the better motive or principle. Such a
philosophy is both foolish and false, like that opinion of the clever rogue
who assumes all other men to be like himself. And theories of this sort do
not represent the real nature of the State, which is based on a vague sense of
right gradually corrected and enlarged by custom and law (although capable
also of perversion), any more than they describe the origin of society, which
is to be sought in the family and in the social and religious feelings of man.
Nor do they represent the average character of individuals, which cannot be
explained simply on a theory of evil, but has always a counteracting
element of good. And as men become better such theories appear more and
more untruthful to them, because they are more conscious of their own
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will bring him back to a truer and kindlier view of the mixed nature of
himself and his fellow men.
The two brothers ask Socrates to prove to them that the just is happy
when they have taken from him all that in which happiness is ordinarily
supposed to consist. Not that there is (1) any absurdity in the attempt to
frame a notion of justice apart from circumstances. For the ideal must
always be a paradox when compared with the ordinary conditions of human
life. Neither the Stoical ideal nor the Christian ideal is true as a fact, but
they may serve as a basis of education, and may exercise an ennobling
influence. An ideal is none the worse because ‘some one has made the
discovery’ that no such ideal was ever realized. And in a few exceptional
individuals who are raised above the ordinary level of humanity, the ideal of
happiness may be realized in death and misery. This may be the state which
the reason deliberately approves, and which the utilitarian as well as every
other moralist may be bound in certain cases to prefer.
Nor again, (2) must we forget that Plato, though he agrees generally with
the view implied in the argument of the two brothers, is not expressing his
own final conclusion, but rather seeking to dramatize one of the aspects of
ethical truth. He is developing his idea gradually in a series of positions or
situations. He is exhibiting Socrates for the first time undergoing the
Socratic interrogation. Lastly, (3) the word ‘happiness’ involves some
degree of confusion because associated in the language of modern
philosophy with conscious pleasure or satisfaction, which was not equally
present to his mind.
Glaucon has been drawing a picture of the misery of the just and the
happiness of the unjust, to which the misery of the tyrant in Book IX is the
answer and parallel. And still the unjust must appear just; that is ‘the
homage which vice pays to virtue.’ But now Adeimantus, taking up the hint
which had been already given by Glaucon, proceeds to show that in the
opinion of mankind justice is regarded only for the sake of rewards and
reputation, and points out the advantage which is given to such arguments
as those of Thrasymachus and Glaucon by the conventional morality of
mankind. He seems to feel the difficulty of ‘justifying the ways of God to
man.’ Both the brothers touch upon the question, whether the morality of
actions is determined by their consequences; and both of them go beyond
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desirable for themselves only, but desirable for themselves and for their
results, to which he recalls them. In their attempt to view justice as an
internal principle, and in their condemnation of the poets, they anticipate
him. The common life of Greece is not enough for them; they must
penetrate deeper into the nature of things.
It has been objected that justice is honesty in the sense of Glaucon and
Adeimantus, but is taken by Socrates to mean all virtue. May we not more
truly say that the old-fashioned notion of justice is enlarged by Socrates,
and becomes equivalent to universal order or well-being, first in the State,
and secondly in the individual? He has found a new answer to his old
question (Protag.), ‘whether the virtues are one or many,’ viz. that one is the
ordering principle of the three others. In seeking to establish the purely
internal nature of justice, he is met by the fact that man is a social being,
and he tries to harmonise the two opposite theses as well as he can. There is
no more inconsistency in this than was inevitable in his age and country;
there is no use in turning upon him the cross lights of modern philosophy,
which, from some other point of view, would appear equally inconsistent.
Plato does not give the final solution of philosophical questions for us; nor
can he be judged of by our standard.
The remainder of the Republic is developed out of the question of the
sons of Ariston. Three points are deserving of remark in what immediately
follows:—First, that the answer of Socrates is altogether indirect. He does
not say that happiness consists in the contemplation of the idea of justice,
and still less will he be tempted to affirm the Stoical paradox that the just
man can be happy on the rack. But first he dwells on the difficulty of the
problem and insists on restoring man to his natural condition, before he will
answer the question at all. He too will frame an ideal, but his ideal
comprehends not only abstract justice, but the whole relations of man.
Under the fanciful illustration of the large letters he implies that he will
only look for justice in society, and that from the State he will proceed to
the individual. His answer in substance amounts to this,—that under
favourable conditions, i.e. in the perfect State, justice and happiness will
coincide, and that when justice has been once found, happiness may be left
to take care of itself. That he falls into some degree of inconsistency, when
in the tenth book he claims to have got rid of the rewards and honours of
justice, may be admitted; for he has left those which exist in the perfect
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hardly have been esteemed happy by him, at least not in this world. Still he
maintains the true attitude of moral action. Let a man do his duty first,
without asking whether he will be happy or not, and happiness will be the
inseparable accident which attends him. ‘Seek ye first the kingdom of God
and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.’
Secondly, it may be remarked that Plato preserves the genuine character
of Greek thought in beginning with the State and in going on to the
individual. First ethics, then politics—this is the order of ideas to us; the
reverse is the order of history. Only after many struggles of thought does
the individual assert his right as a moral being. In early ages he is not ONE,
but one of many, the citizen of a State which is prior to him; and he has no
notion of good or evil apart from the law of his country or the creed of his
church. And to this type he is constantly tending to revert, whenever the
influence of custom, or of party spirit, or the recollection of the past
becomes too strong for him.
Thirdly, we may observe the confusion or identification of the individual
and the State, of ethics and politics, which pervades early Greek
speculation, and even in modern times retains a certain degree of influence.
The subtle difference between the collective and individual action of
mankind seems to have escaped early thinkers, and we too are sometimes in
danger of forgetting the conditions of united human action, whenever we
either elevate politics into ethics, or lower ethics to the standard of politics.
The good man and the good citizen only coincide in the perfect State; and
this perfection cannot be attained by legislation acting upon them from
without, but, if at all, by education fashioning them from within.
...Socrates praises the sons of Ariston, ‘inspired offspring of the
renowned hero,’ as the elegiac poet terms them; but he does not understand
how they can argue so eloquently on behalf of injustice while their
character shows that they are uninfluenced by their own arguments. He
knows not how to answer them, although he is afraid of deserting justice in
the hour of need. He therefore makes a condition, that having weak eyes he
shall be allowed to read the large letters first and then go on to the smaller,
that is, he must look for justice in the State first, and will then proceed to
the individual. Accordingly he begins to construct the State.
Society arises out of the wants of man. His first want is food; his second
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satisfying them by exchange, draw individuals together on the same spot;
and this is the beginning of a State, which we take the liberty to invent,
although necessity is the real inventor. There must be first a husbandman,
secondly a builder, thirdly a weaver, to which may be added a cobbler. Four
or five citizens at least are required to make a city. Now men have different
natures, and one man will do one thing better than many; and business waits
for no man. Hence there must be a division of labour into different
employments; into wholesale and retail trade; into workers, and makers of
workmen’s tools; into shepherds and husbandmen. A city which includes all
this will have far exceeded the limit of four or five, and yet not be very
large. But then again imports will be required, and imports necessitate
exports, and this implies variety of produce in order to attract the taste of
purchasers; also merchants and ships. In the city too we must have a market
and money and retail trades; otherwise buyers and sellers will never meet,
and the valuable time of the producers will be wasted in vain efforts at
exchange. If we add hired servants the State will be complete. And we may
guess that somewhere in the intercourse of the citizens with one another
justice and injustice will appear.
Here follows a rustic picture of their way of life. They spend their days in
houses which they have built for themselves; they make their own clothes
and produce their own corn and wine. Their principal food is meal and
flour, and they drink in moderation. They live on the best of terms with
each other, and take care not to have too many children. ‘But,’ said
Glaucon, interposing, ‘are they not to have a relish?’ Certainly; they will
have salt and olives and cheese, vegetables and fruits, and chestnuts to roast
at the fire. ‘’Tis a city of pigs, Socrates.’ Why, I replied, what do you want
more? ‘Only the comforts of life,—sofas and tables, also sauces and
sweets.’ I see; you want not only a State, but a luxurious State; and possibly
in the more complex frame we may sooner find justice and injustice. Then
the fine arts must go to work—every conceivable instrument and ornament
of luxury will be wanted. There will be dancers, painters, sculptors,
musicians, cooks, barbers, tire-women, nurses, artists; swineherds and
neatherds too for the animals, and physicians to cure the disorders of which
luxury is the source. To feed all these superfluous mouths we shall need a
part of our neighbour’s land, and they will want a part of ours. And this is
the origin of war, which may be traced to the same causes as other political
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citizen will be converted into a soldier. But then again our old doctrine of
the division of labour must not be forgotten. The art of war cannot be
learned in a day, and there must be a natural aptitude for military duties.
There will be some warlike natures who have this aptitude—dogs keen of
scent, swift of foot to pursue, and strong of limb to fight. And as spirit is the
foundation of courage, such natures, whether of men or animals, will be full
of spirit. But these spirited natures are apt to bite and devour one another;
the union of gentleness to friends and fierceness against enemies appears to
be an impossibility, and the guardian of a State requires both qualities. Who
then can be a guardian? The image of the dog suggests an answer. For dogs
are gentle to friends and fierce to strangers. Your dog is a philosopher who
judges by the rule of knowing or not knowing; and philosophy, whether in
man or beast, is the parent of gentleness. The human watchdogs must be
philosophers or lovers of learning which will make them gentle. And how
are they to be learned without education?
But what shall their education be? Is any better than the old-fashioned
sort which is comprehended under the name of music and gymnastic?
Music includes literature, and literature is of two kinds, true and false.
‘What do you mean?’ he said. I mean that children hear stories before they
learn gymnastics, and that the stories are either untrue, or have at most one
or two grains of truth in a bushel of falsehood. Now early life is very
impressible, and children ought not to learn what they will have to unlearn
when they grow up; we must therefore have a censorship of nursery tales,
banishing some and keeping others. Some of them are very improper, as we
may see in the great instances of Homer and Hesiod, who not only tell lies
but bad lies; stories about Uranus and Saturn, which are immoral as well as
false, and which should never be spoken of to young persons, or indeed at
all; or, if at all, then in a mystery, after the sacrifice, not of an Eleusinian
pig, but of some unprocurable animal. Shall our youth be encouraged to
beat their fathers by the example of Zeus, or our citizens be incited to
quarrel by hearing or seeing representations of strife among the gods? Shall
they listen to the narrative of Hephaestus binding his mother, and of Zeus
sending him flying for helping her when she was beaten? Such tales may
possibly have a mystical interpretation, but the young are incapable of
understanding allegory. If any one asks what tales are to be allowed, we will
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principles according to which books are to be written; to write them is the
duty of others.
And our first principle is, that God must be represented as he is; not as
the author of all things, but of good only. We will not suffer the poets to say
that he is the steward of good and evil, or that he has two casks full of
destinies;—or that Athene and Zeus incited Pandarus to break the treaty; or
that God caused the sufferings of Niobe, or of Pelops, or the Trojan war; or
that he makes men sin when he wishes to destroy them. Either these were
not the actions of the gods, or God was just, and men were the better for
being punished. But that the deed was evil, and God the author, is a wicked,
suicidal fiction which we will allow no one, old or young, to utter. This is
our first and great principle—God is the author of good only.
And the second principle is like unto it:—With God is no variableness or
change of form. Reason teaches us this; for if we suppose a change in God,
he must be changed either by another or by himself. By another?—but the
best works of nature and art and the noblest qualities of mind are least liable
to be changed by any external force. By himself?—but he cannot change for
the better; he will hardly change for the worse. He remains for ever fairest
and best in his own image. Therefore we refuse to listen to the poets who
tell us of Here begging in the likeness of a priestess or of other deities who
prowl about at night in strange disguises; all that blasphemous nonsense
with which mothers fool the manhood out of their children must be
suppressed. But some one will say that God, who is himself unchangeable,
may take a form in relation to us. Why should he? For gods as well as men
hate the lie in the soul, or principle of falsehood; and as for any other form
of lying which is used for a purpose and is regarded as innocent in certain
exceptional cases—what need have the gods of this? For they are not
ignorant of antiquity like the poets, nor are they afraid of their enemies, nor
is any madman a friend of theirs. God then is true, he is absolutely true; he
changes not, he deceives not, by day or night, by word or sign. This is our
second great principle—God is true. Away with the lying dream of
Agamemnon in Homer, and the accusation of Thetis against Apollo in
Aeschylus...
In order to give clearness to his conception of the State, Plato proceeds to
trace the first principles of mutual need and of division of labour in an
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increases; the division of labour extends to countries; imports necessitate
exports; a medium of exchange is required, and retailers sit in the market-
place to save the time of the producers. These are the steps by which Plato
constructs the first or primitive State, introducing the elements of political
economy by the way. As he is going to frame a second or civilized State, the
simple naturally comes before the complex. He indulges, like Rousseau, in
a picture of primitive life—an idea which has indeed often had a powerful
influence on the imagination of mankind, but he does not seriously mean to
say that one is better than the other (Politicus); nor can any inference be
drawn from the description of the first state taken apart from the second,
such as Aristotle appears to draw in the Politics. We should not interpret a
Platonic dialogue any more than a poem or a parable in too literal or matter-
of-fact a style. On the other hand, when we compare the lively fancy of
Plato with the dried-up abstractions of modern treatises on philosophy, we
are compelled to say with Protagoras, that the ‘mythus is more interesting’
(Protag.)
Several interesting remarks which in modern times would have a place in
a treatise on Political Economy are scattered up and down the writings of
Plato: especially Laws, Population; Free Trade; Adulteration; Wills and
Bequests; Begging; Eryxias, (though not Plato’s), Value and Demand;
Republic, Division of Labour. The last subject, and also the origin of Retail
Trade, is treated with admirable lucidity in the second book of the Republic.
But Plato never combined his economic ideas into a system, and never
seems to have recognized that Trade is one of the great motive powers of
the State and of the world. He would make retail traders only of the inferior
sort of citizens (Rep., Laws), though he remarks, quaintly enough (Laws),
that ‘if only the best men and the best women everywhere were compelled
to keep taverns for a time or to carry on retail trade, etc., then we should
knew how pleasant and agreeable all these things are.’
The disappointment of Glaucon at the ‘city of pigs,’ the ludicrous
description of the ministers of luxury in the more refined State, and the
afterthought of the necessity of doctors, the illustration of the nature of the
guardian taken from the dog, the desirableness of offering some almost
unprocurable victim when impure mysteries are to be celebrated, the
behaviour of Zeus to his father and of Hephaestus to his mother, are touches
of humour which have also a serious meaning. In speaking of education
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first and in truth afterwards. Yet this is not very different from saying that
children must be taught through the medium of imagination as well as
reason; that their minds can only develope gradually, and that there is much
which they must learn without understanding. This is also the substance of
Plato’s view, though he must be acknowledged to have drawn the line
somewhat differently from modern ethical writers, respecting truth and
falsehood. To us, economies or accommodations would not be allowable
unless they were required by the human faculties or necessary for the
communication of knowledge to the simple and ignorant. We should insist
that the word was inseparable from the intention, and that we must not be
‘falsely true,’ i.e. speak or act falsely in support of what was right or true.
But Plato would limit the use of fictions only by requiring that they should
have a good moral effect, and that such a dangerous weapon as falsehood
should be employed by the rulers alone and for great objects.
A Greek in the age of Plato attached no importance to the question
whether his religion was an historical fact. He was just beginning to be
conscious that the past had a history; but he could see nothing beyond
Homer and Hesiod. Whether their narratives were true or false did not
seriously affect the political or social life of Hellas. Men only began to
suspect that they were fictions when they recognised them to be immoral.
And so in all religions: the consideration of their morality comes first,
afterwards the truth of the documents in which they are recorded, or of the
events natural or supernatural which are told of them. But in modern times,
and in Protestant countries perhaps more than in Catholic, we have been too
much inclined to identify the historical with the moral; and some have
refused to believe in religion at all, unless a superhuman accuracy was
discernible in every part of the record. The facts of an ancient or religious
history are amongst the most important of all facts; but they are frequently
uncertain, and we only learn the true lesson which is to be gathered from
them when we place ourselves above them. These reflections tend to show
that the difference between Plato and ourselves, though not unimportant, is
not so great as might at first sight appear. For we should agree with him in
placing the moral before the historical truth of religion; and, generally, in
disregarding those errors or misstatements of fact which necessarily occur
in the early stages of all religions. We know also that changes in the
traditions of a country cannot be made in a day; and are therefore tolerant of
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We note in passing that the allegorical interpretation of mythology, said
to have been first introduced as early as the sixth century before Christ by
Theagenes of Rhegium, was well established in the age of Plato, and here,
as in the Phaedrus, though for a different reason, was rejected by him. That
anachronisms whether of religion or law, when men have reached another
stage of civilization, should be got rid of by fictions is in accordance with
universal experience. Great is the art of interpretation; and by a natural
process, which when once discovered was always going on, what could not
be altered was explained away. And so without any palpable inconsistency
there existed side by side two forms of religion, the tradition inherited or
invented by the poets and the customary worship of the temple; on the other
hand, there was the religion of the philosopher, who was dwelling in the
heaven of ideas, but did not therefore refuse to offer a cock to Aesculapius,
or to be seen saying his prayers at the rising of the sun. At length the
antagonism between the popular and philosophical religion, never so great
among the Greeks as in our own age, disappeared, and was only felt like the
difference between the religion of the educated and uneducated among
ourselves. The Zeus of Homer and Hesiod easily passed into the ‘royal
mind’ of Plato (Philebus); the giant Heracles became the knight-errant and
benefactor of mankind. These and still more wonderful transformations
were readily effected by the ingenuity of Stoics and neo-Platonists in the
two or three centuries before and after Christ. The Greek and Roman
religions were gradually permeated by the spirit of philosophy; having lost
their ancient meaning, they were resolved into poetry and morality; and
probably were never purer than at the time of their decay, when their
influence over the world was waning.
A singular conception which occurs towards the end of the book is the lie
in the soul; this is connected with the Platonic and Socratic doctrine that
involuntary ignorance is worse than voluntary. The lie in the soul is a true
lie, the corruption of the highest truth, the deception of the highest part of
the soul, from which he who is deceived has no power of delivering
himself. For example, to represent God as false or immoral, or, according to
Plato, as deluding men with appearances or as the author of evil; or again,
to affirm with Protagoras that ‘knowledge is sensation,’ or that ‘being is
becoming,’ or with Thrasymachus ‘that might is right,’ would have been
regarded by Plato as a lie of this hateful sort. The greatest unconsciousness
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who was blind’ were to say ‘I see,’ is another aspect of the state of mind
which Plato is describing. The lie in the soul may be further compared with
the sin against the Holy Ghost (Luke), allowing for the difference between
Greek and Christian modes of speaking. To this is opposed the lie in words,
which is only such a deception as may occur in a play or poem, or allegory
or figure of speech, or in any sort of accommodation,—which though
useless to the gods may be useful to men in certain cases. Socrates is here
answering the question which he had himself raised about the propriety of
deceiving a madman; and he is also contrasting the nature of God and man.
For God is Truth, but mankind can only be true by appearing sometimes to
be partial, or false. Reserving for another place the greater questions of
religion or education, we may note further, (1) the approval of the old
traditional education of Greece; (2) the preparation which Plato is making
for the attack on Homer and the poets; (3) the preparation which he is also
making for the use of economies in the State; (4) the contemptuous and at
the same time euphemistic manner in which here as below he alludes to the
‘Chronique Scandaleuse’ of the gods.
BOOK III. There is another motive in purifying religion, which is to
banish fear; for no man can be courageous who is afraid of death, or who
believes the tales which are repeated by the poets concerning the world
below. They must be gently requested not to abuse hell; they may be
reminded that their stories are both untrue and discouraging. Nor must they
be angry if we expunge obnoxious passages, such as the depressing words
of Achilles—‘I would rather be a serving-man than rule over all the dead;’
and the verses which tell of the squalid mansions, the senseless shadows,
the flitting soul mourning over lost strength and youth, the soul with a
gibber going beneath the earth like smoke, or the souls of the suitors which
flutter about like bats. The terrors and horrors of Cocytus and Styx, ghosts
and sapless shades, and the rest of their Tartarean nomenclature, must
vanish. Such tales may have their use; but they are not the proper food for
soldiers. As little can we admit the sorrows and sympathies of the Homeric
heroes:—Achilles, the son of Thetis, in tears, throwing ashes on his head, or
pacing up and down the sea-shore in distraction; or Priam, the cousin of the
gods, crying aloud, rolling in the mire. A good man is not prostrated at the
loss of children or fortune. Neither is death terrible to him; and therefore
lamentations over the dead should not be practised by men of note; they
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worse is the attribution of such weakness to the gods; as when the
goddesses say, ‘Alas! my travail!’ and worst of all, when the king of heaven
himself laments his inability to save Hector, or sorrows over the impending
doom of his dear Sarpedon. Such a character of God, if not ridiculed by our
young men, is likely to be imitated by them. Nor should our citizens be
given to excess of laughter—‘Such violent delights’ are followed by a
violent re-action. The description in the Iliad of the gods shaking their sides
at the clumsiness of Hephaestus will not be admitted by us. ‘Certainly not.’
Truth should have a high place among the virtues, for falsehood, as we
were saying, is useless to the gods, and only useful to men as a medicine.
But this employment of falsehood must remain a privilege of state; the
common man must not in return tell a lie to the ruler; any more than the
patient would tell a lie to his physician, or the sailor to his captain.
In the next place our youth must be temperate, and temperance consists
in self-control and obedience to authority. That is a lesson which Homer
teaches in some places: ‘The Achaeans marched on breathing prowess, in
silent awe of their leaders;’—but a very different one in other places: ‘O
heavy with wine, who hast the eyes of a dog, but the heart of a stag.’
Language of the latter kind will not impress self-control on the minds of
youth. The same may be said about his praises of eating and drinking and
his dread of starvation; also about the verses in which he tells of the
rapturous loves of Zeus and Here, or of how Hephaestus once detained Ares
and Aphrodite in a net on a similar occasion. There is a nobler strain heard
in the words:—‘Endure, my soul, thou hast endured worse.’ Nor must we
allow our citizens to receive bribes, or to say, ‘Gifts persuade the gods, gifts
reverend kings;’ or to applaud the ignoble advice of Phoenix to Achilles that
he should get money out of the Greeks before he assisted them; or the
meanness of Achilles himself in taking gifts from Agamemnon; or his
requiring a ransom for the body of Hector; or his cursing of Apollo; or his
insolence to the river-god Scamander; or his dedication to the dead
Patroclus of his own hair which had been already dedicated to the other
river-god Spercheius; or his cruelty in dragging the body of Hector round
the walls, and slaying the captives at the pyre: such a combination of
meanness and cruelty in Cheiron’s pupil is inconceivable. The amatory
exploits of Peirithous and Theseus are equally unworthy. Either these so-
called sons of gods were not the sons of gods, or they were not such as the
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evil. The youth who believes that such things are done by those who have
the blood of heaven flowing in their veins will be too ready to imitate their
example.
Enough of gods and heroes;—what shall we say about men? What the
poets and story-tellers say—that the wicked prosper and the righteous are
afflicted, or that justice is another’s gain? Such misrepresentations cannot
be allowed by us. But in this we are anticipating the definition of justice,
and had therefore better defer the enquiry.
The subjects of poetry have been sufficiently treated; next follows style.
Now all poetry is a narrative of events past, present, or to come; and
narrative is of three kinds, the simple, the imitative, and a composition of
the two. An instance will make my meaning clear. The first scene in Homer
is of the last or mixed kind, being partly description and partly dialogue.
But if you throw the dialogue into the ‘oratio obliqua,’ the passage will run
thus: The priest came and prayed Apollo that the Achaeans might take Troy
and have a safe return if Agamemnon would only give him back his
daughter; and the other Greeks assented, but Agamemnon was wroth, and
so on—The whole then becomes descriptive, and the poet is the only
speaker left; or, if you omit the narrative, the whole becomes dialogue.
These are the three styles—which of them is to be admitted into our State?
‘Do you ask whether tragedy and comedy are to be admitted?’ Yes, but also
something more—Is it not doubtful whether our guardians are to be
imitators at all? Or rather, has not the question been already answered, for
we have decided that one man cannot in his life play many parts, any more
than he can act both tragedy and comedy, or be rhapsodist and actor at
once? Human nature is coined into very small pieces, and as our guardians
have their own business already, which is the care of freedom, they will
have enough to do without imitating. If they imitate they should imitate, not
any meanness or baseness, but the good only; for the mask which the actor
wears is apt to become his face. We cannot allow men to play the parts of
women, quarrelling, weeping, scolding, or boasting against the gods,—least
of all when making love or in labour. They must not represent slaves, or
bullies, or cowards, drunkards, or madmen, or blacksmiths, or neighing
horses, or bellowing bulls, or sounding rivers, or a raging sea. A good or
wise man will be willing to perform good and wise actions, but he will be
ashamed to play an inferior part which he has never practised; and he will
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The man who has no self-respect, on the contrary, will imitate anybody and
anything; sounds of nature and cries of animals alike; his whole
performance will be imitation of gesture and voice. Now in the descriptive
style there are few changes, but in the dramatic there are a great many.
Poets and musicians use either, or a compound of both, and this compound
is very attractive to youth and their teachers as well as to the vulgar. But our
State in which one man plays one part only is not adapted for complexity.
And when one of these polyphonous pantomimic gentlemen offers to
exhibit himself and his poetry we will show him every observance of
respect, but at the same time tell him that there is no room for his kind in
our State; we prefer the rough, honest poet, and will not depart from our
original models (Laws).
Next as to the music. A song or ode has three parts,—the subject, the
harmony, and the rhythm; of which the two last are dependent upon the
first. As we banished strains of lamentation, so we may now banish the
mixed Lydian harmonies, which are the harmonies of lamentation; and as
our citizens are to be temperate, we may also banish convivial harmonies,
such as the Ionian and pure Lydian. Two remain—the Dorian and Phrygian,
the first for war, the second for peace; the one expressive of courage, the
other of obedience or instruction or religious feeling. And as we reject
varieties of harmony, we shall also reject the many-stringed, variously-
shaped instruments which give utterance to them, and in particular the flute,
which is more complex than any of them. The lyre and the harp may be
permitted in the town, and the Pan’s-pipe in the fields. Thus we have made
a purgation of music, and will now make a purgation of metres. These
should be like the harmonies, simple and suitable to the occasion. There are
four notes of the tetrachord, and there are three ratios of metre, 3/2, 2/2, 2/1,
which have all their characteristics, and the feet have different
characteristics as well as the rhythms. But about this you and I must ask
Damon, the great musician, who speaks, if I remember rightly, of a martial
measure as well as of dactylic, trochaic, and iambic rhythms, which he
arranges so as to equalize the syllables with one another, assigning to each
the proper quantity. We only venture to affirm the general principle that the
style is to conform to the subject and the metre to the style; and that the
simplicity and harmony of the soul should be reflected in them all. This
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and may be gathered anywhere, from the creative and constructive arts, as
well as from the forms of plants and animals.
Other artists as well as poets should be warned against meanness or
unseemliness. Sculpture and painting equally with music must conform to
the law of simplicity. He who violates it cannot be allowed to work in our
city, and to corrupt the taste of our citizens. For our guardians must grow
up, not amid images of deformity which will gradually poison and corrupt
their souls, but in a land of health and beauty where they will drink in from
every object sweet and harmonious influences. And of all these influences
the greatest is the education given by music, which finds a way into the
innermost soul and imparts to it the sense of beauty and of deformity. At
first the effect is unconscious; but when reason arrives, then he who has
been thus trained welcomes her as the friend whom he always knew. As in
learning to read, first we acquire the elements or letters separately, and
afterwards their combinations, and cannot recognize reflections of them
until we know the letters themselves;—in like manner we must first attain
the elements or essential forms of the virtues, and then trace their
combinations in life and experience. There is a music of the soul which
answers to the harmony of the world; and the fairest object of a musical
soul is the fair mind in the fair body. Some defect in the latter may be
excused, but not in the former. True love is the daughter of temperance, and
temperance is utterly opposed to the madness of bodily pleasure. Enough
has been said of music, which makes a fair ending with love.
Next we pass on to gymnastics; about which I would remark, that the
soul is related to the body as a cause to an effect, and therefore if we
educate the mind we may leave the education of the body in her charge, and
need only give a general outline of the course to be pursued. In the first
place the guardians must abstain from strong drink, for they should be the
last persons to lose their wits. Whether the habits of the palaestra are
suitable to them is more doubtful, for the ordinary gymnastic is a sleepy
sort of thing, and if left off suddenly is apt to endanger health. But our
warrior athletes must be wide-awake dogs, and must also be inured to all
changes of food and climate. Hence they will require a simpler kind of
gymnastic, akin to their simple music; and for their diet a rule may be found
in Homer, who feeds his heroes on roast meat only, and gives them no fish
although they are living at the sea-side, nor boiled meats which involve an
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sweet sauces. Sicilian cookery and Attic confections and Corinthian
courtezans, which are to gymnastic what Lydian and Ionian melodies are to
music, must be forbidden. Where gluttony and intemperance prevail the
town quickly fills with doctors and pleaders; and law and medicine give
themselves airs as soon as the freemen of a State take an interest in them.
But what can show a more disgraceful state of education than to have to go
abroad for justice because you have none of your own at home? And yet
there IS a worse stage of the same disease—when men have learned to take
a pleasure and pride in the twists and turns of the law; not considering how
much better it would be for them so to order their lives as to have no need
of a nodding justice. And there is a like disgrace in employing a physician,
not for the cure of wounds or epidemic disorders, but because a man has by
laziness and luxury contracted diseases which were unknown in the days of
Asclepius. How simple is the Homeric practice of medicine. Eurypylus
after he has been wounded drinks a posset of Pramnian wine, which is of a
heating nature; and yet the sons of Asclepius blame neither the damsel who
gives him the drink, nor Patroclus who is attending on him. The truth is that
this modern system of nursing diseases was introduced by Herodicus the
trainer; who, being of a sickly constitution, by a compound of training and
medicine tortured first himself and then a good many other people, and
lived a great deal longer than he had any right. But Asclepius would not
practise this art, because he knew that the citizens of a well-ordered State
have no leisure to be ill, and therefore he adopted the ‘kill or cure’ method,
which artisans and labourers employ. ‘They must be at their business,’ they
say, ‘and have no time for coddling: if they recover, well; if they don’t,
there is an end of them.’ Whereas the rich man is supposed to be a
gentleman who can afford to be ill. Do you know a maxim of Phocylides—
that ‘when a man begins to be rich’ (or, perhaps, a little sooner) ‘he should
practise virtue’? But how can excessive care of health be inconsistent with
an ordinary occupation, and yet consistent with that practice of virtue which
Phocylides inculcates? When a student imagines that philosophy gives him
a headache, he never does anything; he is always unwell. This was the
reason why Asclepius and his sons practised no such art. They were acting
in the interest of the public, and did not wish to preserve useless lives, or
raise up a puny offspring to wretched sires. Honest diseases they honestly
cured; and if a man was wounded, they applied the proper remedies, and
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intemperate and worthless subjects, even though they might have made
large fortunes out of them. As to the story of Pindar, that Asclepius was
slain by a thunderbolt for restoring a rich man to life, that is a lie—
following our old rule we must say either that he did not take bribes, or that
he was not the son of a god.
Glaucon then asks Socrates whether the best physicians and the best
judges will not be those who have had severally the greatest experience of
diseases and of crimes. Socrates draws a distinction between the two
professions. The physician should have had experience of disease in his
own body, for he cures with his mind and not with his body. But the judge
controls mind by mind; and therefore his mind should not be corrupted by
crime. Where then is he to gain experience? How is he to be wise and also
innocent? When young a good man is apt to be deceived by evil-doers,
because he has no pattern of evil in himself; and therefore the judge should
be of a certain age; his youth should have been innocent, and he should
have acquired insight into evil not by the practice of it, but by the
observation of it in others. This is the ideal of a judge; the criminal turned
detective is wonderfully suspicious, but when in company with good men
who have experience, he is at fault, for he foolishly imagines that every one
is as bad as himself. Vice may be known of virtue, but cannot know virtue.
This is the sort of medicine and this the sort of law which will prevail in our
State; they will be healing arts to better natures; but the evil body will be
left to die by the one, and the evil soul will be put to death by the other. And
the need of either will be greatly diminished by good music which will give
harmony to the soul, and good gymnastic which will give health to the
body. Not that this division of music and gymnastic really corresponds to
soul and body; for they are both equally concerned with the soul, which is
tamed by the one and aroused and sustained by the other. The two together
supply our guardians with their twofold nature. The passionate disposition
when it has too much gymnastic is hardened and brutalized, the gentle or
philosophic temper which has too much music becomes enervated. While a
man is allowing music to pour like water through the funnel of his ears, the
edge of his soul gradually wears away, and the passionate or spirited
element is melted out of him. Too little spirit is easily exhausted; too much
quickly passes into nervous irritability. So, again, the athlete by feeding and
training has his courage doubled, but he soon grows stupid; he is like a wild
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There are two principles in man, reason and passion, and to these, not to the
soul and body, the two arts of music and gymnastic correspond. He who
mingles them in harmonious concord is the true musician,—he shall be the
presiding genius of our State.
The next question is, Who are to be our rulers? First, the elder must rule
the younger; and the best of the elders will be the best guardians. Now they
will be the best who love their subjects most, and think that they have a
common interest with them in the welfare of the state. These we must
select; but they must be watched at every epoch of life to see whether they
have retained the same opinions and held out against force and
enchantment. For time and persuasion and the love of pleasure may enchant
a man into a change of purpose, and the force of grief and pain may compel
him. And therefore our guardians must be men who have been tried by
many tests, like gold in the refiner’s fire, and have been passed first through
danger, then through pleasure, and at every age have come out of such trials
victorious and without stain, in full command of themselves and their
principles; having all their faculties in harmonious exercise for their
country’s good. These shall receive the highest honours both in life and
death. (It would perhaps be better to confine the term ‘guardians’ to this
select class: the younger men may be called ‘auxiliaries.’)
And now for one magnificent lie, in the belief of which, Oh that we could
train our rulers!—at any rate let us make the attempt with the rest of the
world. What I am going to tell is only another version of the legend of
Cadmus; but our unbelieving generation will be slow to accept such a story.
The tale must be imparted, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, lastly to
the people. We will inform them that their youth was a dream, and that
during the time when they seemed to be undergoing their education they
were really being fashioned in the earth, who sent them up when they were
ready; and that they must protect and cherish her whose children they are,
and regard each other as brothers and sisters. ‘I do not wonder at your being
ashamed to propound such a fiction.’ There is more behind. These brothers
and sisters have different natures, and some of them God framed to rule,
whom he fashioned of gold; others he made of silver, to be auxiliaries;
others again to be husbandmen and craftsmen, and these were formed by
him of brass and iron. But as they are all sprung from a common stock, a
golden parent may have a silver son, or a silver parent a golden son, and
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the child of the artisan rise, in the social scale; for an oracle says ‘that the
State will come to an end if governed by a man of brass or iron.’ Will our
citizens ever believe all this? ‘Not in the present generation, but in the next,
perhaps, Yes.’
Now let the earthborn men go forth under the command of their rulers,
and look about and pitch their camp in a high place, which will be safe
against enemies from without, and likewise against insurrections from
within. There let them sacrifice and set up their tents; for soldiers they are
to be and not shopkeepers, the watchdogs and guardians of the sheep; and
luxury and avarice will turn them into wolves and tyrants. Their habits and
their dwellings should correspond to their education. They should have no
property; their pay should only meet their expenses; and they should have
common meals. Gold and silver we will tell them that they have from God,
and this divine gift in their souls they must not alloy with that earthly dross
which passes under the name of gold. They only of the citizens may not
touch it, or be under the same roof with it, or drink from it; it is the accursed
thing. Should they ever acquire houses or lands or money of their own, they
will become householders and tradesmen instead of guardians, enemies and
tyrants instead of helpers, and the hour of ruin, both to themselves and the
rest of the State, will be at hand.
The religious and ethical aspect of Plato’s education will hereafter be
considered under a separate head. Some lesser points may be more
conveniently noticed in this place.
1. The constant appeal to the authority of Homer, whom, with grave
irony, Plato, after the manner of his age, summons as a witness about ethics
and psychology, as well as about diet and medicine; attempting to
distinguish the better lesson from the worse, sometimes altering the text
from design; more than once quoting or alluding to Homer inaccurately,
after the manner of the early logographers turning the Iliad into prose, and
delighting to draw far-fetched inferences from his words, or to make
ludicrous applications of them. He does not, like Heracleitus, get into a rage
with Homer and Archilochus (Heracl.), but uses their words and
expressions as vehicles of a higher truth; not on a system like Theagenes of
Rhegium or Metrodorus, or in later times the Stoics, but as fancy may
dictate. And the conclusions drawn from them are sound, although the
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Plato’s style, and at the same time they have the effect of a satire on the
follies of Homeric interpretation. To us (and probably to himself), although
they take the form of arguments, they are really figures of speech. They
may be compared with modern citations from Scripture, which have often a
great rhetorical power even when the original meaning of the words is
entirely lost sight of. The real, like the Platonic Socrates, as we gather from
the Memorabilia of Xenophon, was fond of making similar adaptations.
Great in all ages and countries, in religion as well as in law and literature,
has been the art of interpretation.
2. ‘The style is to conform to the subject and the metre to the style.’
Notwithstanding the fascination which the word ‘classical’ exercises over
us, we can hardly maintain that this rule is observed in all the Greek poetry
which has come down to us. We cannot deny that the thought often exceeds
the power of lucid expression in Aeschylus and Pindar; or that rhetoric gets
the better of the thought in the Sophist-poet Euripides. Only perhaps in
Sophocles is there a perfect harmony of the two; in him alone do we find a
grace of language like the beauty of a Greek statue, in which there is
nothing to add or to take away; at least this is true of single plays or of large
portions of them. The connection in the Tragic Choruses and in the Greek
lyric poets is not unfrequently a tangled thread which in an age before logic
the poet was unable to draw out. Many thoughts and feelings mingled in his
mind, and he had no power of disengaging or arranging them. For there is a
subtle influence of logic which requires to be transferred from prose to
poetry, just as the music and perfection of language are infused by poetry
into prose. In all ages the poet has been a bad judge of his own meaning
(Apol.); for he does not see that the word which is full of associations to his
own mind is difficult and unmeaning to that of another; or that the sequence
which is clear to himself is puzzling to others. There are many passages in
some of our greatest modern poets which are far too obscure; in which there
is no proportion between style and subject, in which any half-expressed
figure, any harsh construction, any distorted collocation of words, any
remote sequence of ideas is admitted; and there is no voice ‘coming sweetly
from nature,’ or music adding the expression of feeling to thought. As if
there could be poetry without beauty, or beauty without ease and clearness.
The obscurities of early Greek poets arose necessarily out of the state of
language and logic which existed in their age. They are not examples to be
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clearer and clearer. Like Shakespere, they were great in spite, not in
consequence, of their imperfections of expression. But there is no reason for
returning to the necessary obscurity which prevailed in the infancy of
literature. The English poets of the last century were certainly not obscure;
and we have no excuse for losing what they had gained, or for going back
to the earlier or transitional age which preceded them. The thought of our
own times has not out-stripped language; a want of Plato’s ‘art of
measuring’ is the rule cause of the disproportion between them.
3. In the third book of the Republic a nearer approach is made to a theory
of art than anywhere else in Plato. His views may be summed up as follows:
—True art is not fanciful and imitative, but simple and ideal,—the
expression of the highest moral energy, whether in action or repose. To live
among works of plastic art which are of this noble and simple character, or
to listen to such strains, is the best of influences,—the true Greek
atmosphere, in which youth should be brought up. That is the way to create
in them a natural good taste, which will have a feeling of truth and beauty
in all things. For though the poets are to be expelled, still art is recognized
as another aspect of reason—like love in the Symposium, extending over
the same sphere, but confined to the preliminary education, and acting
through the power of habit; and this conception of art is not limited to
strains of music or the forms of plastic art, but pervades all nature and has a
wide kindred in the world. The Republic of Plato, like the Athens of
Pericles, has an artistic as well as a political side.
There is hardly any mention in Plato of the creative arts; only in two or
three passages does he even allude to them (Rep.; Soph.). He is not lost in
rapture at the great works of Phidias, the Parthenon, the Propylea, the
statues of Zeus or Athene. He would probably have regarded any abstract
truth of number or figure as higher than the greatest of them. Yet it is hard
to suppose that some influence, such as he hopes to inspire in youth, did not
pass into his own mind from the works of art which he saw around him. We
are living upon the fragments of them, and find in a few broken stones the
standard of truth and beauty. But in Plato this feeling has no expression; he
nowhere says that beauty is the object of art; he seems to deny that wisdom
can take an external form (Phaedrus); he does not distinguish the fine from
the mechanical arts. Whether or no, like some writers, he felt more than he
expressed, it is at any rate remarkable that the greatest perfection of the fine
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striking passage he tells us that a work of art, like the State, is a whole; and
this conception of a whole and the love of the newly-born mathematical
sciences may be regarded, if not as the inspiring, at any rate as the
regulating principles of Greek art (Xen. Mem.; and Sophist).
4. Plato makes the true and subtle remark that the physician had better
not be in robust health; and should have known what illness is in his own
person. But the judge ought to have had no similar experience of evil; he is
to be a good man who, having passed his youth in innocence, became
acquainted late in life with the vices of others. And therefore, according to
Plato, a judge should not be young, just as a young man according to
Aristotle is not fit to be a hearer of moral philosophy. The bad, on the other
hand, have a knowledge of vice, but no knowledge of virtue. It may be
doubted, however, whether this train of reflection is well founded. In a
remarkable passage of the Laws it is acknowledged that the evil may form a
correct estimate of the good. The union of gentleness and courage in Book
ii. at first seemed to be a paradox, yet was afterwards ascertained to be a
truth. And Plato might also have found that the intuition of evil may be
consistent with the abhorrence of it. There is a directness of aim in virtue
which gives an insight into vice. And the knowledge of character is in some
degree a natural sense independent of any special experience of good or
evil.
5. One of the most remarkable conceptions of Plato, because un-Greek
and also very different from anything which existed at all in his age of the
world, is the transposition of ranks. In the Spartan state there had been
enfranchisement of Helots and degradation of citizens under special
circumstances. And in the ancient Greek aristocracies, merit was certainly
recognized as one of the elements on which government was based. The
founders of states were supposed to be their benefactors, who were raised
by their great actions above the ordinary level of humanity; at a later period,
the services of warriors and legislators were held to entitle them and their
descendants to the privileges of citizenship and to the first rank in the state.
And although the existence of an ideal aristocracy is slenderly proven from
the remains of early Greek history, and we have a difficulty in ascribing
such a character, however the idea may be defined, to any actual Hellenic
state—or indeed to any state which has ever existed in the world—still the
rule of the best was certainly the aspiration of philosophers, who probably
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notions of good government. Plato further insists on applying to the
guardians of his state a series of tests by which all those who fell short of a
fixed standard were either removed from the governing body, or not
admitted to it; and this ‘academic’ discipline did to a certain extent prevail
in Greek states, especially in Sparta. He also indicates that the system of
caste, which existed in a great part of the ancient, and is by no means
extinct in the modern European world, should be set aside from time to time
in favour of merit. He is aware how deeply the greater part of mankind
resent any interference with the order of society, and therefore he proposes
his novel idea in the form of what he himself calls a ‘monstrous fiction.’
(Compare the ceremony of preparation for the two ‘great waves’ in Book v.)
Two principles are indicated by him: first, that there is a distinction of ranks
dependent on circumstances prior to the individual: second, that this
distinction is and ought to be broken through by personal qualities. He
adapts mythology like the Homeric poems to the wants of the state, making
‘the Phoenician tale’ the vehicle of his ideas. Every Greek state had a myth
respecting its own origin; the Platonic republic may also have a tale of
earthborn men. The gravity and verisimilitude with which the tale is told,
and the analogy of Greek tradition, are a sufficient verification of the
‘monstrous falsehood.’ Ancient poetry had spoken of a gold and silver and
brass and iron age succeeding one another, but Plato supposes these
differences in the natures of men to exist together in a single state.
Mythology supplies a figure under which the lesson may be taught (as
Protagoras says, ‘the myth is more interesting’), and also enables Plato to
touch lightly on new principles without going into details. In this passage he
shadows forth a general truth, but he does not tell us by what steps the
transposition of ranks is to be effected. Indeed throughout the Republic he
allows the lower ranks to fade into the distance. We do not know whether
they are to carry arms, and whether in the fifth book they are or are not
included in the communistic regulations respecting property and marriage.
Nor is there any use in arguing strictly either from a few chance words, or
from the silence of Plato, or in drawing inferences which were beyond his
vision. Aristotle, in his criticism on the position of the lower classes, does
not perceive that the poetical creation is ‘like the air, invulnerable,’ and
cannot be penetrated by the shafts of his logic (Pol.).
6. Two paradoxes which strike the modern reader as in the highest degree
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found in the third book of the Republic: first, the great power of music, so
much beyond any influence which is experienced by us in modern times,
when the art or science has been far more developed, and has found the
secret of harmony, as well as of melody; secondly, the indefinite and almost
absolute control which the soul is supposed to exercise over the body.
In the first we suspect some degree of exaggeration, such as we may also
observe among certain masters of the art, not unknown to us, at the present
day. With this natural enthusiasm, which is felt by a few only, there seems
to mingle in Plato a sort of Pythagorean reverence for numbers and
numerical proportion to which Aristotle is a stranger. Intervals of sound and
number are to him sacred things which have a law of their own, not
dependent on the variations of sense. They rise above sense, and become a
connecting link with the world of ideas. But it is evident that Plato is
describing what to him appears to be also a fact. The power of a simple and
characteristic melody on the impressible mind of the Greek is more than we
can easily appreciate. The effect of national airs may bear some comparison
with it. And, besides all this, there is a confusion between the harmony of
musical notes and the harmony of soul and body, which is so potently
inspired by them.
The second paradox leads up to some curious and interesting questions—
How far can the mind control the body? Is the relation between them one of
mutual antagonism or of mutual harmony? Are they two or one, and is
either of them the cause of the other? May we not at times drop the
opposition between them, and the mode of describing them, which is so
familiar to us, and yet hardly conveys any precise meaning, and try to view
this composite creature, man, in a more simple manner? Must we not at any
rate admit that there is in human nature a higher and a lower principle,
divided by no distinct line, which at times break asunder and take up arms
against one another? Or again, they are reconciled and move together, either
unconsciously in the ordinary work of life, or consciously in the pursuit of
some noble aim, to be attained not without an effort, and for which every
thought and nerve are strained. And then the body becomes the good friend
or ally, or servant or instrument of the mind. And the mind has often a
wonderful and almost superhuman power of banishing disease and
weakness and calling out a hidden strength. Reason and the desires, the
intellect and the senses are brought into harmony and obedience so as to
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identity or diversity of their tendencies or operations is for the most part
unnoticed by us. When the mind touches the body through the appetites, we
acknowledge the responsibility of the one to the other. There is a tendency
in us which says ‘Drink.’ There is another which says, ‘Do not drink; it is
not good for you.’ And we all of us know which is the rightful superior. We
are also responsible for our health, although into this sphere there enter
some elements of necessity which may be beyond our control. Still even in
the management of health, care and thought, continued over many years,
may make us almost free agents, if we do not exact too much of ourselves,
and if we acknowledge that all human freedom is limited by the laws of
nature and of mind.
We are disappointed to find that Plato, in the general condemnation
which he passes on the practice of medicine prevailing in his own day,
depreciates the effects of diet. He would like to have diseases of a definite
character and capable of receiving a definite treatment. He is afraid of
invalidism interfering with the business of life. He does not recognize that
time is the great healer both of mental and bodily disorders; and that
remedies which are gradual and proceed little by little are safer than those
which produce a sudden catastrophe. Neither does he see that there is no
way in which the mind can more surely influence the body than by the
control of eating and drinking; or any other action or occasion of human life
on which the higher freedom of the will can be more simple or truly
asserted.
7. Lesser matters of style may be remarked.
(1) The affected ignorance of music, which is Plato’s way of expressing
that he is passing lightly over the subject.
(2) The tentative manner in which here, as in the second book, he
proceeds with the construction of the State.
(3) The description of the State sometimes as a reality, and then again as
a work of imagination only; these are the arts by which he sustains the
reader’s interest.
(4) Connecting links, or the preparation for the entire expulsion of the
poets in Book X.
(5) The companion pictures of the lover of litigation and the
valetudinarian, the satirical jest about the maxim of Phocylides, the manner
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subject, and the argument from the practice of Asclepius, should not escape
notice.
BOOK IV. Adeimantus said: ‘Suppose a person to argue, Socrates, that
you make your citizens miserable, and this by their own free-will; they are
the lords of the city, and yet instead of having, like other men, lands and
houses and money of their own, they live as mercenaries and are always
mounting guard.’ You may add, I replied, that they receive no pay but only
their food, and have no money to spend on a journey or a mistress. ‘Well,
and what answer do you give?’ My answer is, that our guardians may or
may not be the happiest of men,—I should not be surprised to find in the
long-run that they were,—but this is not the aim of our constitution, which
was designed for the good of the whole and not of any one part. If I went to
a sculptor and blamed him for having painted the eye, which is the noblest
feature of the face, not purple but black, he would reply: ‘The eye must be
an eye, and you should look at the statue as a whole.’ ‘Now I can well
imagine a fool’s paradise, in which everybody is eating and drinking,
clothed in purple and fine linen, and potters lie on sofas and have their
wheel at hand, that they may work a little when they please; and cobblers
and all the other classes of a State lose their distinctive character. And a
State may get on without cobblers; but when the guardians degenerate into
boon companions, then the ruin is complete. Remember that we are not
talking of peasants keeping holiday, but of a State in which every man is
expected to do his own work. The happiness resides not in this or that class,
but in the State as a whole. I have another remark to make:—A middle
condition is best for artisans; they should have money enough to buy tools,
and not enough to be independent of business. And will not the same
condition be best for our citizens? If they are poor, they will be mean; if
rich, luxurious and lazy; and in neither case contented. ‘But then how will
our poor city be able to go to war against an enemy who has money?’ There
may be a difficulty in fighting against one enemy; against two there will be
none. In the first place, the contest will be carried on by trained warriors
against well-to-do citizens: and is not a regular athlete an easy match for
two stout opponents at least? Suppose also, that before engaging we send
ambassadors to one of the two cities, saying, ‘Silver and gold we have not;
do you help us and take our share of the spoil;’—who would fight against
the lean, wiry dogs, when they might join with them in preying upon the
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danger?’ I am amused to hear you use the word ‘state’ of any but our own
State. They are ‘states,’ but not ‘a state’—many in one. For in every state
there are two hostile nations, rich and poor, which you may set one against
the other. But our State, while she remains true to her principles, will be in
very deed the mightiest of Hellenic states.
To the size of the state there is no limit but the necessity of unity; it must
be neither too large nor too small to be one. This is a matter of secondary
importance, like the principle of transposition which was intimated in the
parable of the earthborn men. The meaning there implied was that every
man should do that for which he was fitted, and be at one with himself, and
then the whole city would be united. But all these things are secondary, if
education, which is the great matter, be duly regarded. When the wheel has
once been set in motion, the speed is always increasing; and each
generation improves upon the preceding, both in physical and moral
qualities. The care of the governors should be directed to preserve music
and gymnastic from innovation; alter the songs of a country, Damon says,
and you will soon end by altering its laws. The change appears innocent at
first, and begins in play; but the evil soon becomes serious, working
secretly upon the characters of individuals, then upon social and
commercial relations, and lastly upon the institutions of a state; and there is
ruin and confusion everywhere. But if education remains in the established
form, there will be no danger. A restorative process will be always going on;
the spirit of law and order will raise up what has fallen down. Nor will any
regulations be needed for the lesser matters of life—rules of deportment or
fashions of dress. Like invites like for good or for evil. Education will
correct deficiencies and supply the power of self-government. Far be it
from us to enter into the particulars of legislation; let the guardians take
care of education, and education will take care of all other things.
But without education they may patch and mend as they please; they will
make no progress, any more than a patient who thinks to cure himself by
some favourite remedy and will not give up his luxurious mode of living. If
you tell such persons that they must first alter their habits, then they grow
angry; they are charming people. ‘Charming,—nay, the very reverse.’
Evidently these gentlemen are not in your good graces, nor the state which
is like them. And such states there are which first ordain under penalty of
death that no one shall alter the constitution, and then suffer themselves to
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upon them, is their leader and saviour. ‘Yes, the men are as bad as the
states.’ But do you not admire their cleverness? ‘Nay, some of them are
stupid enough to believe what the people tell them.’ And when all the world
is telling a man that he is six feet high, and he has no measure, how can he
believe anything else? But don’t get into a passion: to see our statesmen
trying their nostrums, and fancying that they can cut off at a blow the
Hydra-like rogueries of mankind, is as good as a play. Minute enactments
are superfluous in good states, and are useless in bad ones.
And now what remains of the work of legislation? Nothing for us; but to
Apollo the god of Delphi we leave the ordering of the greatest of all things
—that is to say, religion. Only our ancestral deity sitting upon the centre
and navel of the earth will be trusted by us if we have any sense, in an affair
of such magnitude. No foreign god shall be supreme in our realms...
Here, as Socrates would say, let us ‘reflect on’ (Greek) what has
preceded: thus far we have spoken not of the happiness of the citizens, but
only of the well-being of the State. They may be the happiest of men, but
our principal aim in founding the State was not to make them happy. They
were to be guardians, not holiday-makers. In this pleasant manner is
presented to us the famous question both of ancient and modern philosophy,
touching the relation of duty to happiness, of right to utility.
First duty, then happiness, is the natural order of our moral ideas. The
utilitarian principle is valuable as a corrective of error, and shows to us a
side of ethics which is apt to be neglected. It may be admitted further that
right and utility are co-extensive, and that he who makes the happiness of
mankind his object has one of the highest and noblest motives of human
action. But utility is not the historical basis of morality; nor the aspect in
which moral and religious ideas commonly occur to the mind. The greatest
happiness of all is, as we believe, the far-off result of the divine government
of the universe. The greatest happiness of the individual is certainly to be
found in a life of virtue and goodness. But we seem to be more assured of a
law of right than we can be of a divine purpose, that ‘all mankind should be
saved;’ and we infer the one from the other. And the greatest happiness of
the individual may be the reverse of the greatest happiness in the ordinary
sense of the term, and may be realised in a life of pain, or in a voluntary
death. Further, the word ‘happiness’ has several ambiguities; it may mean
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world or in another, of ourselves only or of our neighbours and of all men
everywhere. By the modern founder of Utilitarianism the self-regarding and
disinterested motives of action are included under the same term, although
they are commonly opposed by us as benevolence and self-love. The word
happiness has not the definiteness or the sacredness of ‘truth’ and ‘right’; it
does not equally appeal to our higher nature, and has not sunk into the
conscience of mankind. It is associated too much with the comforts and
conveniences of life; too little with ‘the goods of the soul which we desire
for their own sake.’ In a great trial, or danger, or temptation, or in any great
and heroic action, it is scarcely thought of. For these reasons ‘the greatest
happiness’ principle is not the true foundation of ethics. But though not the
first principle, it is the second, which is like unto it, and is often of easier
application. For the larger part of human actions are neither right nor
wrong, except in so far as they tend to the happiness of mankind (Introd. to
Gorgias and Philebus).
The same question reappears in politics, where the useful or expedient
seems to claim a larger sphere and to have a greater authority. For
concerning political measures, we chiefly ask: How will they affect the
happiness of mankind? Yet here too we may observe that what we term
expediency is merely the law of right limited by the conditions of human
society. Right and truth are the highest aims of government as well as of
individuals; and we ought not to lose sight of them because we cannot
directly enforce them. They appeal to the better mind of nations; and
sometimes they are too much for merely temporal interests to resist. They
are the watchwords which all men use in matters of public policy, as well as
in their private dealings; the peace of Europe may be said to depend upon
them. In the most commercial and utilitarian states of society the power of
ideas remains. And all the higher class of statesmen have in them something
of that idealism which Pericles is said to have gathered from the teaching of
Anaxagoras. They recognise that the true leader of men must be above the
motives of ambition, and that national character is of greater value than
material comfort and prosperity. And this is the order of thought in Plato;
first, he expects his citizens to do their duty, and then under favourable
circumstances, that is to say, in a well-ordered State, their happiness is
assured. That he was far from excluding the modern principle of utility in
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beneficial is affirmed to be the most honourable’, and also ‘the most
sacred’.
We may note
(1) The manner in which the objection of Adeimantus here, is designed to
draw out and deepen the argument of Socrates.
(2) The conception of a whole as lying at the foundation both of politics
and of art, in the latter supplying the only principle of criticism, which,
under the various names of harmony, symmetry, measure, proportion, unity,
the Greek seems to have applied to works of art.
(3) The requirement that the State should be limited in size, after the
traditional model of a Greek state; as in the Politics of Aristotle, the fact that
the cities of Hellas were small is converted into a principle.
(4) The humorous pictures of the lean dogs and the fatted sheep, of the
light active boxer upsetting two stout gentlemen at least, of the ‘charming’
patients who are always making themselves worse; or again, the playful
assumption that there is no State but our own; or the grave irony with which
the statesman is excused who believes that he is six feet high because he is
told so, and having nothing to measure with is to be pardoned for his
ignorance—he is too amusing for us to be seriously angry with him.
(5) The light and superficial manner in which religion is passed over
when provision has been made for two great principles,—first, that religion
shall be based on the highest conception of the gods, secondly, that the true
national or Hellenic type shall be maintained...
Socrates proceeds: But where amid all this is justice? Son of Ariston, tell
me where. Light a candle and search the city, and get your brother and the
rest of our friends to help in seeking for her. ‘That won’t do,’ replied
Glaucon, ‘you yourself promised to make the search and talked about the
impiety of deserting justice.’ Well, I said, I will lead the way, but do you
follow. My notion is, that our State being perfect will contain all the four
virtues—wisdom, courage, temperance, justice. If we eliminate the three
first, the unknown remainder will be justice.
First then, of wisdom: the State which we have called into being will be
wise because politic. And policy is one among many kinds of skill,—not the
skill of the carpenter, or of the worker in metal, or of the husbandman, but
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a kind is the skill of the guardians, who are a small class in number, far
smaller than the blacksmiths; but in them is concentrated the wisdom of the
State. And if this small ruling class have wisdom, then the whole State will
be wise.
Our second virtue is courage, which we have no difficulty in finding in
another class—that of soldiers. Courage may be defined as a sort of
salvation—the never-failing salvation of the opinions which law and
education have prescribed concerning dangers. You know the way in which
dyers first prepare the white ground and then lay on the dye of purple or of
any other colour. Colours dyed in this way become fixed, and no soap or lye
will ever wash them out. Now the ground is education, and the laws are the
colours; and if the ground is properly laid, neither the soap of pleasure nor
the lye of pain or fear will ever wash them out. This power which preserves
right opinion about danger I would ask you to call ‘courage,’ adding the
epithet ‘political’ or ‘civilized’ in order to distinguish it from mere animal
courage and from a higher courage which may hereafter be discussed.
Two virtues remain; temperance and justice. More than the preceding
virtues temperance suggests the idea of harmony. Some light is thrown
upon the nature of this virtue by the popular description of a man as ‘master
of himself’—which has an absurd sound, because the master is also the
servant. The expression really means that the better principle in a man
masters the worse. There are in cities whole classes—women, slaves and
the like—who correspond to the worse, and a few only to the better; and in
our State the former class are held under control by the latter. Now to which
of these classes does temperance belong? ‘To both of them.’ And our State
if any will be the abode of temperance; and we were right in describing this
virtue as a harmony which is diffused through the whole, making the
dwellers in the city to be of one mind, and attuning the upper and middle
and lower classes like the strings of an instrument, whether you suppose
them to differ in wisdom, strength or wealth.
And now we are near the spot; let us draw in and surround the cover and
watch with all our eyes, lest justice should slip away and escape. Tell me, if
you see the thicket move first. ‘Nay, I would have you lead.’ Well then,
offer up a prayer and follow. The way is dark and difficult; but we must
push on. I begin to see a track. ‘Good news.’ Why, Glaucon, our dulness of
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justice is tumbling out at our feet. We are as bad as people looking for a
thing which they have in their hands. Have you forgotten our old principle
of the division of labour, or of every man doing his own business,
concerning which we spoke at the foundation of the State—what but this
was justice? Is there any other virtue remaining which can compete with
wisdom and temperance and courage in the scale of political virtue? For
‘every one having his own’ is the great object of government; and the great
object of trade is that every man should do his own business. Not that there
is much harm in a carpenter trying to be a cobbler, or a cobbler
transforming himself into a carpenter; but great evil may arise from the
cobbler leaving his last and turning into a guardian or legislator, or when a
single individual is trainer, warrior, legislator, all in one. And this evil is
injustice, or every man doing another’s business. I do not say that as yet we
are in a condition to arrive at a final conclusion. For the definition which we
believe to hold good in states has still to be tested by the individual. Having
read the large letters we will now come back to the small. From the two
together a brilliant light may be struck out...
Socrates proceeds to discover the nature of justice by a method of
residues. Each of the first three virtues corresponds to one of the three parts
of the soul and one of the three classes in the State, although the third,
temperance, has more of the nature of a harmony than the first two. If there
be a fourth virtue, that can only be sought for in the relation of the three
parts in the soul or classes in the State to one another. It is obvious and
simple, and for that very reason has not been found out. The modern
logician will be inclined to object that ideas cannot be separated like
chemical substances, but that they run into one another and may be only
different aspects or names of the same thing, and such in this instance
appears to be the case. For the definition here given of justice is verbally the
same as one of the definitions of temperance given by Socrates in the
Charmides, which however is only provisional, and is afterwards rejected.
And so far from justice remaining over when the other virtues are
eliminated, the justice and temperance of the Republic can with difficulty
be distinguished. Temperance appears to be the virtue of a part only, and
one of three, whereas justice is a universal virtue of the whole soul. Yet on
the other hand temperance is also described as a sort of harmony, and in this
respect is akin to justice. Justice seems to differ from temperance in degree
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elements, justice is the perfect order by which all natures and classes do
their own business, the right man in the right place, the division and co-
operation of all the citizens. Justice, again, is a more abstract notion than
the other virtues, and therefore, from Plato’s point of view, the foundation
of them, to which they are referred and which in idea precedes them. The
proposal to omit temperance is a mere trick of style intended to avoid
monotony.
There is a famous question discussed in one of the earlier Dialogues of
Plato (Protagoras; Arist. Nic. Ethics), ‘Whether the virtues are one or
many?’ This receives an answer which is to the effect that there are four
cardinal virtues (now for the first time brought together in ethical
philosophy), and one supreme over the rest, which is not like Aristotle’s
conception of universal justice, virtue relative to others, but the whole of
virtue relative to the parts. To this universal conception of justice or order in
the first education and in the moral nature of man, the still more universal
conception of the good in the second education and in the sphere of
speculative knowledge seems to succeed. Both might be equally described
by the terms ‘law,’ ‘order,’ ‘harmony;’ but while the idea of good embraces
‘all time and all existence,’ the conception of justice is not extended beyond
man.
...Socrates is now going to identify the individual and the State. But first
he must prove that there are three parts of the individual soul. His argument
is as follows:—Quantity makes no difference in quality. The word ‘just,’
whether applied to the individual or to the State, has the same meaning. And
the term ‘justice’ implied that the same three principles in the State and in
the individual were doing their own business. But are they really three or
one? The question is difficult, and one which can hardly be solved by the
methods which we are now using; but the truer and longer way would take
up too much of our time. ‘The shorter will satisfy me.’ Well then, you
would admit that the qualities of states mean the qualities of the individuals
who compose them? The Scythians and Thracians are passionate, our own
race intellectual, and the Egyptians and Phoenicians covetous, because the
individual members of each have such and such a character; the difficulty is
to determine whether the several principles are one or three; whether, that is
to say, we reason with one part of our nature, desire with another, are angry
with another, or whether the whole soul comes into play in each sort of
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same thing in the same relation cannot be affected in two opposite ways.
But there is no impossibility in a man standing still, yet moving his arms, or
in a top which is fixed on one spot going round upon its axis. There is no
necessity to mention all the possible exceptions; let us provisionally assume
that opposites cannot do or be or suffer opposites in the same relation. And
to the class of opposites belong assent and dissent, desire and avoidance.
And one form of desire is thirst and hunger: and here arises a new point—
thirst is thirst of drink, hunger is hunger of food; not of warm drink or of a
particular kind of food, with the single exception of course that the very fact
of our desiring anything implies that it is good. When relative terms have no
attributes, their correlatives have no attributes; when they have attributes,
their correlatives also have them. For example, the term ‘greater’ is simply
relative to ‘less,’ and knowledge refers to a subject of knowledge. But on
the other hand, a particular knowledge is of a particular subject. Again,
every science has a distinct character, which is defined by an object;
medicine, for example, is the science of health, although not to be
confounded with health. Having cleared our ideas thus far, let us return to
the original instance of thirst, which has a definite object—drink. Now the
thirsty soul may feel two distinct impulses; the animal one saying ‘Drink;’
the rational one, which says ‘Do not drink.’ The two impulses are
contradictory; and therefore we may assume that they spring from distinct
principles in the soul. But is passion a third principle, or akin to desire?
There is a story of a certain Leontius which throws some light on this
question. He was coming up from the Piraeus outside the north wall, and he
passed a spot where there were dead bodies lying by the executioner. He
felt a longing desire to see them and also an abhorrence of them; at first he
turned away and shut his eyes, then, suddenly tearing them open, he said,
—‘Take your fill, ye wretches, of the fair sight.’ Now is there not here a
third principle which is often found to come to the assistance of reason
against desire, but never of desire against reason? This is passion or spirit,
of the separate existence of which we may further convince ourselves by
putting the following case:—When a man suffers justly, if he be of a
generous nature he is not indignant at the hardships which he undergoes:
but when he suffers unjustly, his indignation is his great support; hunger
and thirst cannot tame him; the spirit within him must do or die, until the
voice of the shepherd, that is, of reason, bidding his dog bark no more, is
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the same with reason? No, for the former exists in children and brutes; and
Homer affords a proof of the distinction between them when he says, ‘He
smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul.’
And now, at last, we have reached firm ground, and are able to infer that
the virtues of the State and of the individual are the same. For wisdom and
courage and justice in the State are severally the wisdom and courage and
justice in the individuals who form the State. Each of the three classes will
do the work of its own class in the State, and each part in the individual
soul; reason, the superior, and passion, the inferior, will be harmonized by
the influence of music and gymnastic. The counsellor and the warrior, the
head and the arm, will act together in the town of Mansoul, and keep the
desires in proper subjection. The courage of the warrior is that quality
which preserves a right opinion about dangers in spite of pleasures and
pains. The wisdom of the counsellor is that small part of the soul which has
authority and reason. The virtue of temperance is the friendship of the
ruling and the subject principles, both in the State and in the individual. Of
justice we have already spoken; and the notion already given of it may be
confirmed by common instances. Will the just state or the just individual
steal, lie, commit adultery, or be guilty of impiety to gods and men? ‘No.’
And is not the reason of this that the several principles, whether in the state
or in the individual, do their own business? And justice is the quality which
makes just men and just states. Moreover, our old division of labour, which
required that there should be one man for one use, was a dream or
anticipation of what was to follow; and that dream has now been realized in
justice, which begins by binding together the three chords of the soul, and
then acts harmoniously in every relation of life. And injustice, which is the
insubordination and disobedience of the inferior elements in the soul, is the
opposite of justice, and is inharmonious and unnatural, being to the soul
what disease is to the body; for in the soul as well as in the body, good or
bad actions produce good or bad habits. And virtue is the health and beauty
and well-being of the soul, and vice is the disease and weakness and
deformity of the soul.
Again the old question returns upon us: Is justice or injustice the more
profitable? The question has become ridiculous. For injustice, like mortal
disease, makes life not worth having. Come up with me to the hill which
overhangs the city and look down upon the single form of virtue, and the
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both of states and of individuals. And the state which corresponds to the
single form of virtue is that which we have been describing, wherein reason
rules under one of two names—monarchy and aristocracy. Thus there are
five forms in all, both of states and of souls...
In attempting to prove that the soul has three separate faculties, Plato
takes occasion to discuss what makes difference of faculties. And the
criterion which he proposes is difference in the working of the faculties.
The same faculty cannot produce contradictory effects. But the path of early
reasoners is beset by thorny entanglements, and he will not proceed a step
without first clearing the ground. This leads him into a tiresome digression,
which is intended to explain the nature of contradiction. First, the
contradiction must be at the same time and in the same relation. Secondly,
no extraneous word must be introduced into either of the terms in which the
contradictory proposition is expressed: for example, thirst is of drink, not of
warm drink. He implies, what he does not say, that if, by the advice of
reason, or by the impulse of anger, a man is restrained from drinking, this
proves that thirst, or desire under which thirst is included, is distinct from
anger and reason. But suppose that we allow the term ‘thirst’ or ‘desire’ to
be modified, and say an ‘angry thirst,’ or a ‘revengeful desire,’ then the two
spheres of desire and anger overlap and become confused. This case
therefore has to be excluded. And still there remains an exception to the rule
in the use of the term ‘good,’ which is always implied in the object of
desire. These are the discussions of an age before logic; and any one who is
wearied by them should remember that they are necessary to the clearing up
of ideas in the first development of the human faculties.
The psychology of Plato extends no further than the division of the soul
into the rational, irascible, and concupiscent elements, which, as far as we
know, was first made by him, and has been retained by Aristotle and
succeeding ethical writers. The chief difficulty in this early analysis of the
mind is to define exactly the place of the irascible faculty (Greek), which
may be variously described under the terms righteous indignation, spirit,
passion. It is the foundation of courage, which includes in Plato moral
courage, the courage of enduring pain, and of surmounting intellectual
difficulties, as well as of meeting dangers in war. Though irrational, it
inclines to side with the rational: it cannot be aroused by punishment when
justly inflicted: it sometimes takes the form of an enthusiasm which sustains
a man in the performance of great actions. It is the ‘lion heart’ with which

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the reason makes a treaty. On the other hand it is negative rather than
positive; it is indignant at wrong or falsehood, but does not, like Love in the
Symposium and Phaedrus, aspire to the vision of Truth or Good. It is the
peremptory military spirit which prevails in the government of honour. It
differs from anger (Greek), this latter term having no accessory notion of
righteous indignation. Although Aristotle has retained the word, yet we may
observe that ‘passion’ (Greek) has with him lost its affinity to the rational
and has become indistinguishable from ‘anger’ (Greek). And to this
vernacular use Plato himself in the Laws seems to revert, though not
always. By modern philosophy too, as well as in our ordinary conversation,
the words anger or passion are employed almost exclusively in a bad sense;
there is no connotation of a just or reasonable cause by which they are
aroused. The feeling of ‘righteous indignation’ is too partial and accidental
to admit of our regarding it as a separate virtue or habit. We are tempted
also to doubt whether Plato is right in supposing that an offender, however
justly condemned, could be expected to acknowledge the justice of his
sentence; this is the spirit of a philosopher or martyr rather than of a
criminal.
We may observe how nearly Plato approaches Aristotle’s famous thesis,
that ‘good actions produce good habits.’ The words ‘as healthy practices
(Greek) produce health, so do just practices produce justice,’ have a sound
very like the Nicomachean Ethics. But we note also that an incidental
remark in Plato has become a far-reaching principle in Aristotle, and an
inseparable part of a great Ethical system.
There is a difficulty in understanding what Plato meant by ‘the longer
way’: he seems to intimate some metaphysic of the future which will not be
satisfied with arguing from the principle of contradiction. In the sixth and
seventh books (compare Sophist and Parmenides) he has given us a sketch
of such a metaphysic; but when Glaucon asks for the final revelation of the
idea of good, he is put off with the declaration that he has not yet studied
the preliminary sciences. How he would have filled up the sketch, or argued
about such questions from a higher point of view, we can only conjecture.
Perhaps he hoped to find some a priori method of developing the parts out
of the whole; or he might have asked which of the ideas contains the other
ideas, and possibly have stumbled on the Hegelian identity of the ‘ego’ and
the ‘universal.’ Or he may have imagined that ideas might be constructed in
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mathematical sciences. The most certain and necessary truth was to Plato
the universal; and to this he was always seeking to refer all knowledge or
opinion, just as in modern times we seek to rest them on the opposite pole
of induction and experience. The aspirations of metaphysicians have always
tended to pass beyond the limits of human thought and language: they seem
to have reached a height at which they are ‘moving about in worlds
unrealized,’ and their conceptions, although profoundly affecting their own
minds, become invisible or unintelligible to others. We are not therefore
surprized to find that Plato himself has nowhere clearly explained his
doctrine of ideas; or that his school in a later generation, like his
contemporaries Glaucon and Adeimantus, were unable to follow him in this
region of speculation. In the Sophist, where he is refuting the scepticism
which maintained either that there was no such thing as predication, or that
all might be predicated of all, he arrives at the conclusion that some ideas
combine with some, but not all with all. But he makes only one or two steps
forward on this path; he nowhere attains to any connected system of ideas,
or even to a knowledge of the most elementary relations of the sciences to
one another.
BOOK V. I was going to enumerate the four forms of vice or decline in
states, when Polemarchus—he was sitting a little farther from me than
Adeimantus—taking him by the coat and leaning towards him, said
something in an undertone, of which I only caught the words, ‘Shall we let
him off?’ ‘Certainly not,’ said Adeimantus, raising his voice. Whom, I said,
are you not going to let off? ‘You,’ he said. Why? ‘Because we think that
you are not dealing fairly with us in omitting women and children, of whom
you have slily disposed under the general formula that friends have all
things in common.’ And was I not right? ‘Yes,’ he replied, ‘but there are
many sorts of communism or community, and we want to know which of
them is right. The company, as you have just heard, are resolved to have a
further explanation.’ Thrasymachus said, ‘Do you think that we have come
hither to dig for gold, or to hear you discourse?’ Yes, I said; but the
discourse should be of a reasonable length. Glaucon added, ‘Yes, Socrates,
and there is reason in spending the whole of life in such discussions; but
pray, without more ado, tell us how this community is to be carried out, and
how the interval between birth and education is to be filled up.’ Well, I said,
the subject has several difficulties—What is possible? is the first question.
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speaking among friends.’ That, I replied, is a sorry consolation; I shall
destroy my friends as well as myself. Not that I mind a little innocent
laughter; but he who kills the truth is a murderer. ‘Then,’ said Glaucon,
laughing, ‘in case you should murder us we will acquit you beforehand, and
you shall be held free from the guilt of deceiving us.’
Socrates proceeds:—The guardians of our state are to be watch-dogs, as
we have already said. Now dogs are not divided into hes and shes—we do
not take the masculine gender out to hunt and leave the females at home to
look after their puppies. They have the same employments—the only
difference between them is that the one sex is stronger and the other weaker.
But if women are to have the same employments as men, they must have
the same education—they must be taught music and gymnastics, and the art
of war. I know that a great joke will be made of their riding on horseback
and carrying weapons; the sight of the naked old wrinkled women showing
their agility in the palaestra will certainly not be a vision of beauty, and may
be expected to become a famous jest. But we must not mind the wits; there
was a time when they might have laughed at our present gymnastics. All is
habit: people have at last found out that the exposure is better than the
concealment of the person, and now they laugh no more. Evil only should
be the subject of ridicule.
The first question is, whether women are able either wholly or partially to
share in the employments of men. And here we may be charged with
inconsistency in making the proposal at all. For we started originally with
the division of labour; and the diversity of employments was based on the
difference of natures. But is there no difference between men and women?
Nay, are they not wholly different? THERE was the difficulty, Glaucon,
which made me unwilling to speak of family relations. However, when a
man is out of his depth, whether in a pool or in an ocean, he can only swim
for his life; and we must try to find a way of escape, if we can.
The argument is, that different natures have different uses, and the
natures of men and women are said to differ. But this is only a verbal
opposition. We do not consider that the difference may be purely nominal
and accidental; for example, a bald man and a hairy man are opposed in a
single point of view, but you cannot infer that because a bald man is a
cobbler a hairy man ought not to be a cobbler. Now why is such an
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only, like the difference between a male physician and a female physician,
not running through the whole nature, like the difference between a
physician and a carpenter. And if the difference of the sexes is only that the
one beget and the other bear children, this does not prove that they ought to
have distinct educations. Admitting that women differ from men in capacity,
do not men equally differ from one another? Has not nature scattered all the
qualities which our citizens require indifferently up and down among the
two sexes? and even in their peculiar pursuits, are not women often, though
in some cases superior to men, ridiculously enough surpassed by them?
Women are the same in kind as men, and have the same aptitude or want of
aptitude for medicine or gymnastic or war, but in a less degree. One woman
will be a good guardian, another not; and the good must be chosen to be the
colleagues of our guardians. If however their natures are the same, the
inference is that their education must also be the same; there is no longer
anything unnatural or impossible in a woman learning music and
gymnastic. And the education which we give them will be the very best, far
superior to that of cobblers, and will train up the very best women, and
nothing can be more advantageous to the State than this. Therefore let them
strip, clothed in their chastity, and share in the toils of war and in the
defence of their country; he who laughs at them is a fool for his pains.
The first wave is past, and the argument is compelled to admit that men
and women have common duties and pursuits. A second and greater wave is
rolling in—community of wives and children; is this either expedient or
possible? The expediency I do not doubt; I am not so sure of the possibility.
‘Nay, I think that a considerable doubt will be entertained on both points.’ I
meant to have escaped the trouble of proving the first, but as you have
detected the little stratagem I must even submit. Only allow me to feed my
fancy like the solitary in his walks, with a dream of what might be, and then
I will return to the question of what can be.
In the first place our rulers will enforce the laws and make new ones
where they are wanted, and their allies or ministers will obey. You, as
legislator, have already selected the men; and now you shall select the
women. After the selection has been made, they will dwell in common
houses and have their meals in common, and will be brought together by a
necessity more certain than that of mathematics. But they cannot be allowed
to live in licentiousness; that is an unholy thing, which the rulers are
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will be instituted, and their holiness will be in proportion to their
usefulness. And here, Glaucon, I should like to ask (as I know that you are a
breeder of birds and animals), Do you not take the greatest care in the
mating? ‘Certainly.’ And there is no reason to suppose that less care is
required in the marriage of human beings. But then our rulers must be
skilful physicians of the State, for they will often need a strong dose of
falsehood in order to bring about desirable unions between their subjects.
The good must be paired with the good, and the bad with the bad, and the
offspring of the one must be reared, and of the other destroyed; in this way
the flock will be preserved in prime condition. Hymeneal festivals will be
celebrated at times fixed with an eye to population, and the brides and
bridegrooms will meet at them; and by an ingenious system of lots the
rulers will contrive that the brave and the fair come together, and that those
of inferior breed are paired with inferiors—the latter will ascribe to chance
what is really the invention of the rulers. And when children are born, the
offspring of the brave and fair will be carried to an enclosure in a certain
part of the city, and there attended by suitable nurses; the rest will be
hurried away to places unknown. The mothers will be brought to the fold
and will suckle the children; care however must be taken that none of them
recognise their own offspring; and if necessary other nurses may also be
hired. The trouble of watching and getting up at night will be transferred to
attendants. ‘Then the wives of our guardians will have a fine easy time
when they are having children.’ And quite right too, I said, that they should.
The parents ought to be in the prime of life, which for a man may be
reckoned at thirty years—from twenty-five, when he has ‘passed the point
at which the speed of life is greatest,’ to fifty-five; and at twenty years for a
woman—from twenty to forty. Any one above or below those ages who
partakes in the hymeneals shall be guilty of impiety; also every one who
forms a marriage connexion at other times without the consent of the rulers.
This latter regulation applies to those who are within the specified ages,
after which they may range at will, provided they avoid the prohibited
degrees of parents and children, or of brothers and sisters, which last,
however, are not absolutely prohibited, if a dispensation be procured. ‘But
how shall we know the degrees of affinity, when all things are common?’
The answer is, that brothers and sisters are all such as are born seven or
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espoused, and every one will have many children and every child many
parents.
Socrates proceeds: I have now to prove that this scheme is advantageous
and also consistent with our entire polity. The greatest good of a State is
unity; the greatest evil, discord and distraction. And there will be unity
where there are no private pleasures or pains or interests—where if one
member suffers all the members suffer, if one citizen is touched all are
quickly sensitive; and the least hurt to the little finger of the State runs
through the whole body and vibrates to the soul. For the true State, like an
individual, is injured as a whole when any part is affected. Every State has
subjects and rulers, who in a democracy are called rulers, and in other
States masters: but in our State they are called saviours and allies; and the
subjects who in other States are termed slaves, are by us termed nurturers
and paymasters, and those who are termed comrades and colleagues in
other places, are by us called fathers and brothers. And whereas in other
States members of the same government regard one of their colleagues as a
friend and another as an enemy, in our State no man is a stranger to another;
for every citizen is connected with every other by ties of blood, and these
names and this way of speaking will have a corresponding reality—brother,
father, sister, mother, repeated from infancy in the ears of children, will not
be mere words. Then again the citizens will have all things in common, in
having common property they will have common pleasures and pains.
Can there be strife and contention among those who are of one mind; or
lawsuits about property when men have nothing but their bodies which they
call their own; or suits about violence when every one is bound to defend
himself? The permission to strike when insulted will be an ‘antidote’ to the
knife and will prevent disturbances in the State. But no younger man will
strike an elder; reverence will prevent him from laying hands on his
kindred, and he will fear that the rest of the family may retaliate. Moreover,
our citizens will be rid of the lesser evils of life; there will be no flattery of
the rich, no sordid household cares, no borrowing and not paying.
Compared with the citizens of other States, ours will be Olympic victors,
and crowned with blessings greater still—they and their children having a
better maintenance during life, and after death an honourable burial. Nor
has the happiness of the individual been sacrificed to the happiness of the
State; our Olympic victor has not been turned into a cobbler, but he has a
happiness beyond that of any cobbler. At the same time, if any conceited

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youth begins to dream of appropriating the State to himself, he must be
reminded that ‘half is better than the whole.’ ‘I should certainly advise him
to stay where he is when he has the promise of such a brave life.’
But is such a community possible?—as among the animals, so also
among men; and if possible, in what way possible? About war there is no
difficulty; the principle of communism is adapted to military service.
Parents will take their children to look on at a battle, just as potters’ boys
are trained to the business by looking on at the wheel. And to the parents
themselves, as to other animals, the sight of their young ones will prove a
great incentive to bravery. Young warriors must learn, but they must not run
into danger, although a certain degree of risk is worth incurring when the
benefit is great. The young creatures should be placed under the care of
experienced veterans, and they should have wings—that is to say, swift and
tractable steeds on which they may fly away and escape. One of the first
things to be done is to teach a youth to ride.
Cowards and deserters shall be degraded to the class of husbandmen;
gentlemen who allow themselves to be taken prisoners, may be presented to
the enemy. But what shall be done to the hero? First of all he shall be
crowned by all the youths in the army; secondly, he shall receive the right
hand of fellowship; and thirdly, do you think that there is any harm in his
being kissed? We have already determined that he shall have more wives
than others, in order that he may have as many children as possible. And at
a feast he shall have more to eat; we have the authority of Homer for
honouring brave men with ‘long chines,’ which is an appropriate
compliment, because meat is a very strengthening thing. Fill the bowl then,
and give the best seats and meats to the brave—may they do them good!
And he who dies in battle will be at once declared to be of the golden race,
and will, as we believe, become one of Hesiod’s guardian angels. He shall
be worshipped after death in the manner prescribed by the oracle; and not
only he, but all other benefactors of the State who die in any other way,
shall be admitted to the same honours.
The next question is, How shall we treat our enemies? Shall Hellenes be
enslaved? No; for there is too great a risk of the whole race passing under
the yoke of the barbarians. Or shall the dead be despoiled? Certainly not;
for that sort of thing is an excuse for skulking, and has been the ruin of
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of the dead body, when the soul which was the owner has fled—like a dog
who cannot reach his assailants, and quarrels with the stones which are
thrown at him instead. Again, the arms of Hellenes should not be offered up
in the temples of the Gods; they are a pollution, for they are taken from
brethren. And on similar grounds there should be a limit to the devastation
of Hellenic territory—the houses should not be burnt, nor more than the
annual produce carried off. For war is of two kinds, civil and foreign; the
first of which is properly termed ‘discord,’ and only the second ‘war;’ and
war between Hellenes is in reality civil war—a quarrel in a family, which is
ever to be regarded as unpatriotic and unnatural, and ought to be prosecuted
with a view to reconciliation in a true phil-Hellenic spirit, as of those who
would chasten but not utterly enslave. The war is not against a whole nation
who are a friendly multitude of men, women, and children, but only against
a few guilty persons; when they are punished peace will be restored. That is
the way in which Hellenes should war against one another—and against
barbarians, as they war against one another now.
‘But, my dear Socrates, you are forgetting the main question: Is such a
State possible? I grant all and more than you say about the blessedness of
being one family—fathers, brothers, mothers, daughters, going out to war
together; but I want to ascertain the possibility of this ideal State.’ You are
too unmerciful. The first wave and the second wave I have hardly escaped,
and now you will certainly drown me with the third. When you see the
towering crest of the wave, I expect you to take pity. ‘Not a whit.’
Well, then, we were led to form our ideal polity in the search after justice,
and the just man answered to the just State. Is this ideal at all the worse for
being impracticable? Would the picture of a perfectly beautiful man be any
the worse because no such man ever lived? Can any reality come up to the
idea? Nature will not allow words to be fully realized; but if I am to try and
realize the ideal of the State in a measure, I think that an approach may be
made to the perfection of which I dream by one or two, I do not say slight,
but possible changes in the present constitution of States. I would reduce
them to a single one—the great wave, as I call it. Until, then, kings are
philosophers, or philosophers are kings, cities will never cease from ill: no,
nor the human race; nor will our ideal polity ever come into being. I know
that this is a hard saying, which few will be able to receive. ‘Socrates, all
the world will take off his coat and rush upon you with sticks and stones,
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scrape, I said. ‘And I was right,’ he replied; ‘however, I will stand by you as
a sort of do-nothing, well-meaning ally.’ Having the help of such a
champion, I will do my best to maintain my position. And first, I must
explain of whom I speak and what sort of natures these are who are to be
philosophers and rulers. As you are a man of pleasure, you will not have
forgotten how indiscriminate lovers are in their attachments; they love all,
and turn blemishes into beauties. The snub-nosed youth is said to have a
winning grace; the beak of another has a royal look; the featureless are
faultless; the dark are manly, the fair angels; the sickly have a new term of
endearment invented expressly for them, which is ‘honey-pale.’ Lovers of
wine and lovers of ambition also desire the objects of their affection in
every form. Now here comes the point:—The philosopher too is a lover of
knowledge in every form; he has an insatiable curiosity. ‘But will curiosity
make a philosopher? Are the lovers of sights and sounds, who let out their
ears to every chorus at the Dionysiac festivals, to be called philosophers?’
They are not true philosophers, but only an imitation. ‘Then how are we to
describe the true?’
You would acknowledge the existence of abstract ideas, such as justice,
beauty, good, evil, which are severally one, yet in their various
combinations appear to be many. Those who recognize these realities are
philosophers; whereas the other class hear sounds and see colours, and
understand their use in the arts, but cannot attain to the true or waking
vision of absolute justice or beauty or truth; they have not the light of
knowledge, but of opinion, and what they see is a dream only. Perhaps he of
whom we say the last will be angry with us; can we pacify him without
revealing the disorder of his mind? Suppose we say that, if he has
knowledge we rejoice to hear it, but knowledge must be of something
which is, as ignorance is of something which is not; and there is a third
thing, which both is and is not, and is matter of opinion only. Opinion and
knowledge, then, having distinct objects, must also be distinct faculties.
And by faculties I mean powers unseen and distinguishable only by the
difference in their objects, as opinion and knowledge differ, since the one is
liable to err, but the other is unerring and is the mightiest of all our faculties.
If being is the object of knowledge, and not-being of ignorance, and these
are the extremes, opinion must lie between them, and may be called darker
than the one and brighter than the other. This intermediate or contingent
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non-existence. Now I would ask my good friend, who denies abstract
beauty and justice, and affirms a many beautiful and a many just, whether
everything he sees is not in some point of view different—the beautiful
ugly, the pious impious, the just unjust? Is not the double also the half, and
are not heavy and light relative terms which pass into one another?
Everything is and is not, as in the old riddle—‘A man and not a man shot
and did not shoot a bird and not a bird with a stone and not a stone.’ The
mind cannot be fixed on either alternative; and these ambiguous,
intermediate, erring, half-lighted objects, which have a disorderly
movement in the region between being and not-being, are the proper matter
of opinion, as the immutable objects are the proper matter of knowledge.
And he who grovels in the world of sense, and has only this uncertain
perception of things, is not a philosopher, but a lover of opinion only...
The fifth book is the new beginning of the Republic, in which the
community of property and of family are first maintained, and the transition
is made to the kingdom of philosophers. For both of these Plato, after his
manner, has been preparing in some chance words of Book IV, which fall
unperceived on the reader’s mind, as they are supposed at first to have
fallen on the ear of Glaucon and Adeimantus. The ‘paradoxes,’ as
Morgenstern terms them, of this book of the Republic will be reserved for
another place; a few remarks on the style, and some explanations of
difficulties, may be briefly added.
First, there is the image of the waves, which serves for a sort of scheme
or plan of the book. The first wave, the second wave, the third and greatest
wave come rolling in, and we hear the roar of them. All that can be said of
the extravagance of Plato’s proposals is anticipated by himself. Nothing is
more admirable than the hesitation with which he proposes the solemn text,
‘Until kings are philosophers,’ etc.; or the reaction from the sublime to the
ridiculous, when Glaucon describes the manner in which the new truth will
be received by mankind.
Some defects and difficulties may be noted in the execution of the
communistic plan. Nothing is told us of the application of communism to
the lower classes; nor is the table of prohibited degrees capable of being
made out. It is quite possible that a child born at one hymeneal festival may
marry one of its own brothers or sisters, or even one of its parents, at
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not wish to bring before us the fact that the city would be divided into
families of those born seven and nine months after each hymeneal festival.
If it were worth while to argue seriously about such fancies, we might
remark that while all the old affinities are abolished, the newly prohibited
affinity rests not on any natural or rational principle, but only upon the
accident of children having been born in the same month and year. Nor does
he explain how the lots could be so manipulated by the legislature as to
bring together the fairest and best. The singular expression which is
employed to describe the age of five-and-twenty may perhaps be taken from
some poet.
In the delineation of the philosopher, the illustrations of the nature of
philosophy derived from love are more suited to the apprehension of
Glaucon, the Athenian man of pleasure, than to modern tastes or feelings.
They are partly facetious, but also contain a germ of truth. That science is a
whole, remains a true principle of inductive as well as of metaphysical
philosophy; and the love of universal knowledge is still the characteristic of
the philosopher in modern as well as in ancient times.
At the end of the fifth book Plato introduces the figment of contingent
matter, which has exercised so great an influence both on the Ethics and
Theology of the modern world, and which occurs here for the first time in
the history of philosophy. He did not remark that the degrees of knowledge
in the subject have nothing corresponding to them in the object. With him a
word must answer to an idea; and he could not conceive of an opinion
which was an opinion about nothing. The influence of analogy led him to
invent ‘parallels and conjugates’ and to overlook facts. To us some of his
difficulties are puzzling only from their simplicity: we do not perceive that
the answer to them ‘is tumbling out at our feet.’ To the mind of early
thinkers, the conception of not-being was dark and mysterious; they did not
see that this terrible apparition which threatened destruction to all
knowledge was only a logical determination. The common term under
which, through the accidental use of language, two entirely different ideas
were included was another source of confusion. Thus through the ambiguity
of (Greek) Plato, attempting to introduce order into the first chaos of human
thought, seems to have confused perception and opinion, and to have failed
to distinguish the contingent from the relative. In the Theaetetus the first of
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as well as for other reasons, both these dialogues are probably to be
regarded as later than the Republic.
BOOK VI. Having determined that the many have no knowledge of true
being, and have no clear patterns in their minds of justice, beauty, truth, and
that philosophers have such patterns, we have now to ask whether they or
the many shall be rulers in our State. But who can doubt that philosophers
should be chosen, if they have the other qualities which are required in a
ruler? For they are lovers of the knowledge of the eternal and of all truth;
they are haters of falsehood; their meaner desires are absorbed in the
interests of knowledge; they are spectators of all time and all existence; and
in the magnificence of their contemplation the life of man is as nothing to
them, nor is death fearful. Also they are of a social, gracious disposition,
equally free from cowardice and arrogance. They learn and remember
easily; they have harmonious, well-regulated minds; truth flows to them
sweetly by nature. Can the god of Jealousy himself find any fault with such
an assemblage of good qualities?
Here Adeimantus interposes:—‘No man can answer you, Socrates; but
every man feels that this is owing to his own deficiency in argument. He is
driven from one position to another, until he has nothing more to say, just as
an unskilful player at draughts is reduced to his last move by a more skilled
opponent. And yet all the time he may be right. He may know, in this very
instance, that those who make philosophy the business of their lives,
generally turn out rogues if they are bad men, and fools if they are good.
What do you say?’ I should say that he is quite right. ‘Then how is such an
admission reconcileable with the doctrine that philosophers should be
kings?’
I shall answer you in a parable which will also let you see how poor a
hand I am at the invention of allegories. The relation of good men to their
governments is so peculiar, that in order to defend them I must take an
illustration from the world of fiction. Conceive the captain of a ship, taller
by a head and shoulders than any of the crew, yet a little deaf, a little blind,
and rather ignorant of the seaman’s art. The sailors want to steer, although
they know nothing of the art; and they have a theory that it cannot be
learned. If the helm is refused them, they drug the captain’s posset, bind
him hand and foot, and take possession of the ship. He who joins in the
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the true pilot must observe the winds and the stars, and must be their
master, whether they like it or not;—such an one would be called by them
fool, prater, star-gazer. This is my parable; which I will beg you to interpret
for me to those gentlemen who ask why the philosopher has such an evil
name, and to explain to them that not he, but those who will not use him,
are to blame for his uselessness. The philosopher should not beg of
mankind to be put in authority over them. The wise man should not seek the
rich, as the proverb bids, but every man, whether rich or poor, must knock
at the door of the physician when he has need of him. Now the pilot is the
philosopher—he whom in the parable they call star-gazer, and the mutinous
sailors are the mob of politicians by whom he is rendered useless. Not that
these are the worst enemies of philosophy, who is far more dishonoured by
her own professing sons when they are corrupted by the world. Need I
recall the original image of the philosopher? Did we not say of him just
now, that he loved truth and hated falsehood, and that he could not rest in
the multiplicity of phenomena, but was led by a sympathy in his own nature
to the contemplation of the absolute? All the virtues as well as truth, who is
the leader of them, took up their abode in his soul. But as you were
observing, if we turn aside to view the reality, we see that the persons who
were thus described, with the exception of a small and useless class, are
utter rogues.
The point which has to be considered, is the origin of this corruption in
nature. Every one will admit that the philosopher, in our description of him,
is a rare being. But what numberless causes tend to destroy these rare
beings! There is no good thing which may not be a cause of evil—health,
wealth, strength, rank, and the virtues themselves, when placed under
unfavourable circumstances. For as in the animal or vegetable world the
strongest seeds most need the accompaniment of good air and soil, so the
best of human characters turn out the worst when they fall upon an
unsuitable soil; whereas weak natures hardly ever do any considerable good
or harm; they are not the stuff out of which either great criminals or great
heroes are made. The philosopher follows the same analogy: he is either the
best or the worst of all men. Some persons say that the Sophists are the
corrupters of youth; but is not public opinion the real Sophist who is
everywhere present—in those very persons, in the assembly, in the courts,
in the camp, in the applauses and hisses of the theatre re-echoed by the
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sounds? and will any education save him from being carried away by the
torrent? Nor is this all. For if he will not yield to opinion, there follows the
gentle compulsion of exile or death. What principle of rival Sophists or
anybody else can overcome in such an unequal contest? Characters there
may be more than human, who are exceptions—God may save a man, but
not his own strength. Further, I would have you consider that the hireling
Sophist only gives back to the world their own opinions; he is the keeper of
the monster, who knows how to flatter or anger him, and observes the
meaning of his inarticulate grunts. Good is what pleases him, evil what he
dislikes; truth and beauty are determined only by the taste of the brute. Such
is the Sophist’s wisdom, and such is the condition of those who make public
opinion the test of truth, whether in art or in morals. The curse is laid upon
them of being and doing what it approves, and when they attempt first
principles the failure is ludicrous. Think of all this and ask yourself whether
the world is more likely to be a believer in the unity of the idea, or in the
multiplicity of phenomena. And the world if not a believer in the idea
cannot be a philosopher, and must therefore be a persecutor of philosophers.
There is another evil:—the world does not like to lose the gifted nature, and
so they flatter the young (Alcibiades) into a magnificent opinion of his own
capacity; the tall, proper youth begins to expand, and is dreaming of
kingdoms and empires. If at this instant a friend whispers to him, ‘Now the
gods lighten thee; thou art a great fool’ and must be educated—do you think
that he will listen? Or suppose a better sort of man who is attracted towards
philosophy, will they not make Herculean efforts to spoil and corrupt him?
Are we not right in saying that the love of knowledge, no less than riches,
may divert him? Men of this class (Critias) often become politicians—they
are the authors of great mischief in states, and sometimes also of great
good. And thus philosophy is deserted by her natural protectors, and others
enter in and dishonour her. Vulgar little minds see the land open and rush
from the prisons of the arts into her temple. A clever mechanic having a
soul coarse as his body, thinks that he will gain caste by becoming her
suitor. For philosophy, even in her fallen estate, has a dignity of her own—
and he, like a bald little blacksmith’s apprentice as he is, having made some
money and got out of durance, washes and dresses himself as a bridegroom
and marries his master’s daughter. What will be the issue of such
marriages? Will they not be vile and bastard, devoid of truth and nature?
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be a few who are citizens of small states, in which politics are not worth
thinking of, or who have been detained by Theages’ bridle of ill health; for
my own case of the oracular sign is almost unique, and too rare to be worth
mentioning. And these few when they have tasted the pleasures of
philosophy, and have taken a look at that den of thieves and place of wild
beasts, which is human life, will stand aside from the storm under the
shelter of a wall, and try to preserve their own innocence and to depart in
peace. ‘A great work, too, will have been accomplished by them.’ Great,
yes, but not the greatest; for man is a social being, and can only attain his
highest development in the society which is best suited to him.
Enough, then, of the causes why philosophy has such an evil name.
Another question is, Which of existing states is suited to her? Not one of
them; at present she is like some exotic seed which degenerates in a strange
soil; only in her proper state will she be shown to be of heavenly growth.
‘And is her proper state ours or some other?’ Ours in all points but one,
which was left undetermined. You may remember our saying that some
living mind or witness of the legislator was needed in states. But we were
afraid to enter upon a subject of such difficulty, and now the question recurs
and has not grown easier:—How may philosophy be safely studied? Let us
bring her into the light of day, and make an end of the inquiry.
In the first place, I say boldly that nothing can be worse than the present
mode of study. Persons usually pick up a little philosophy in early youth,
and in the intervals of business, but they never master the real difficulty,
which is dialectic. Later, perhaps, they occasionally go to a lecture on
philosophy. Years advance, and the sun of philosophy, unlike that of
Heracleitus, sets never to rise again. This order of education should be
reversed; it should begin with gymnastics in youth, and as the man
strengthens, he should increase the gymnastics of his soul. Then, when
active life is over, let him finally return to philosophy. ‘You are in earnest,
Socrates, but the world will be equally earnest in withstanding you—no
more than Thrasymachus.’ Do not make a quarrel between Thrasymachus
and me, who were never enemies and are now good friends enough. And I
shall do my best to convince him and all mankind of the truth of my words,
or at any rate to prepare for the future when, in another life, we may again
take part in similar discussions. ‘That will be a long time hence.’ Not long
in comparison with eternity. The many will probably remain incredulous,
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juxtapositions; not free and generous thoughts, but tricks of controversy and
quips of law;—a perfect man ruling in a perfect state, even a single one they
have not known. And we foresaw that there was no chance of perfection
either in states or individuals until a necessity was laid upon philosophers—
not the rogues, but those whom we called the useless class—of holding
office; or until the sons of kings were inspired with a true love of
philosophy. Whether in the infinity of past time there has been, or is in
some distant land, or ever will be hereafter, an ideal such as we have
described, we stoutly maintain that there has been, is, and will be such a
state whenever the Muse of philosophy rules. Will you say that the world is
of another mind? O, my friend, do not revile the world! They will soon
change their opinion if they are gently entreated, and are taught the true
nature of the philosopher. Who can hate a man who loves him? Or be
jealous of one who has no jealousy? Consider, again, that the many hate not
the true but the false philosophers—the pretenders who force their way in
without invitation, and are always speaking of persons and not of principles,
which is unlike the spirit of philosophy. For the true philosopher despises
earthly strife; his eye is fixed on the eternal order in accordance with which
he moulds himself into the Divine image (and not himself only, but other
men), and is the creator of the virtues private as well as public. When
mankind see that the happiness of states is only to be found in that image,
will they be angry with us for attempting to delineate it? ‘Certainly not. But
what will be the process of delineation?’ The artist will do nothing until he
has made a tabula rasa; on this he will inscribe the constitution of a state,
glancing often at the divine truth of nature, and from that deriving the
godlike among men, mingling the two elements, rubbing out and painting
in, until there is a perfect harmony or fusion of the divine and human. But
perhaps the world will doubt the existence of such an artist. What will they
doubt? That the philosopher is a lover of truth, having a nature akin to the
best?—and if they admit this will they still quarrel with us for making
philosophers our kings? ‘They will be less disposed to quarrel.’ Let us
assume then that they are pacified. Still, a person may hesitate about the
probability of the son of a king being a philosopher. And we do not deny
that they are very liable to be corrupted; but yet surely in the course of ages
there might be one exception—and one is enough. If one son of a king were
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being. Hence we conclude that our laws are not only the best, but that they
are also possible, though not free from difficulty.
I gained nothing by evading the troublesome questions which arose
concerning women and children. I will be wiser now and acknowledge that
we must go to the bottom of another question: What is to be the education
of our guardians? It was agreed that they were to be lovers of their country,
and were to be tested in the refiner’s fire of pleasures and pains, and those
who came forth pure and remained fixed in their principles were to have
honours and rewards in life and after death. But at this point, the argument
put on her veil and turned into another path. I hesitated to make the
assertion which I now hazard,—that our guardians must be philosophers.
You remember all the contradictory elements, which met in the philosopher
—how difficult to find them all in a single person! Intelligence and spirit
are not often combined with steadiness; the stolid, fearless, nature is averse
to intellectual toil. And yet these opposite elements are all necessary, and
therefore, as we were saying before, the aspirant must be tested in pleasures
and dangers; and also, as we must now further add, in the highest branches
of knowledge. You will remember, that when we spoke of the virtues
mention was made of a longer road, which you were satisfied to leave
unexplored. ‘Enough seemed to have been said.’ Enough, my friend; but
what is enough while anything remains wanting? Of all men the guardian
must not faint in the search after truth; he must be prepared to take the
longer road, or he will never reach that higher region which is above the
four virtues; and of the virtues too he must not only get an outline, but a
clear and distinct vision. (Strange that we should be so precise about trifles,
so careless about the highest truths!) ‘And what are the highest?’ You to
pretend unconsciousness, when you have so often heard me speak of the
idea of good, about which we know so little, and without which though a
man gain the world he has no profit of it! Some people imagine that the
good is wisdom; but this involves a circle,—the good, they say, is wisdom,
wisdom has to do with the good. According to others the good is pleasure;
but then comes the absurdity that good is bad, for there are bad pleasures as
well as good. Again, the good must have reality; a man may desire the
appearance of virtue, but he will not desire the appearance of good. Ought
our guardians then to be ignorant of this supreme principle, of which every
man has a presentiment, and without which no man has any real knowledge
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pleasure, or what? You may think me troublesome, but I say that you have
no business to be always repeating the doctrines of others instead of giving
us your own.’ Can I say what I do not know? ‘You may offer an opinion.’
And will the blindness and crookedness of opinion content you when you
might have the light and certainty of science? ‘I will only ask you to give
such an explanation of the good as you have given already of temperance
and justice.’ I wish that I could, but in my present mood I cannot reach to
the height of the knowledge of the good. To the parent or principal I cannot
introduce you, but to the child begotten in his image, which I may compare
with the interest on the principal, I will. (Audit the account, and do not let
me give you a false statement of the debt.) You remember our old
distinction of the many beautiful and the one beautiful, the particular and
the universal, the objects of sight and the objects of thought? Did you ever
consider that the objects of sight imply a faculty of sight which is the most
complex and costly of our senses, requiring not only objects of sense, but
also a medium, which is light; without which the sight will not distinguish
between colours and all will be a blank? For light is the noble bond between
the perceiving faculty and the thing perceived, and the god who gives us
light is the sun, who is the eye of the day, but is not to be confounded with
the eye of man. This eye of the day or sun is what I call the child of the
good, standing in the same relation to the visible world as the good to the
intellectual. When the sun shines the eye sees, and in the intellectual world
where truth is, there is sight and light. Now that which is the sun of
intelligent natures, is the idea of good, the cause of knowledge and truth,
yet other and fairer than they are, and standing in the same relation to them
in which the sun stands to light. O inconceivable height of beauty, which is
above knowledge and above truth! (‘You cannot surely mean pleasure,’ he
said. Peace, I replied.) And this idea of good, like the sun, is also the cause
of growth, and the author not of knowledge only, but of being, yet greater
far than either in dignity and power. ‘That is a reach of thought more than
human; but, pray, go on with the image, for I suspect that there is more
behind.’ There is, I said; and bearing in mind our two suns or principles,
imagine further their corresponding worlds—one of the visible, the other of
the intelligible; you may assist your fancy by figuring the distinction under
the image of a line divided into two unequal parts, and may again subdivide
each part into two lesser segments representative of the stages of knowledge
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consist of shadows and reflections, and its upper and smaller portion will
contain real objects in the world of nature or of art. The sphere of the
intelligible will also have two divisions,—one of mathematics, in which
there is no ascent but all is descent; no inquiring into premises, but only
drawing of inferences. In this division the mind works with figures and
numbers, the images of which are taken not from the shadows, but from the
objects, although the truth of them is seen only with the mind’s eye; and
they are used as hypotheses without being analysed. Whereas in the other
division reason uses the hypotheses as stages or steps in the ascent to the
idea of good, to which she fastens them, and then again descends, walking
firmly in the region of ideas, and of ideas only, in her ascent as well as
descent, and finally resting in them. ‘I partly understand,’ he replied; ‘you
mean that the ideas of science are superior to the hypothetical, metaphorical
conceptions of geometry and the other arts or sciences, whichever is to be
the name of them; and the latter conceptions you refuse to make subjects of
pure intellect, because they have no first principle, although when resting
on a first principle, they pass into the higher sphere.’ You understand me
very well, I said. And now to those four divisions of knowledge you may
assign four corresponding faculties—pure intelligence to the highest sphere;
active intelligence to the second; to the third, faith; to the fourth, the
perception of shadows—and the clearness of the several faculties will be in
the same ratio as the truth of the objects to which they are related...
Like Socrates, we may recapitulate the virtues of the philosopher. In
language which seems to reach beyond the horizon of that age and country,
he is described as ‘the spectator of all time and all existence.’ He has the
noblest gifts of nature, and makes the highest use of them. All his desires
are absorbed in the love of wisdom, which is the love of truth. None of the
graces of a beautiful soul are wanting in him; neither can he fear death, or
think much of human life. The ideal of modern times hardly retains the
simplicity of the antique; there is not the same originality either in truth or
error which characterized the Greeks. The philosopher is no longer living in
the unseen, nor is he sent by an oracle to convince mankind of ignorance;
nor does he regard knowledge as a system of ideas leading upwards by
regular stages to the idea of good. The eagerness of the pursuit has abated;
there is more division of labour and less of comprehensive reflection upon
nature and human life as a whole; more of exact observation and less of
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the parallel is not wholly lost; and there may be a use in translating the
conception of Plato into the language of our own age. The philosopher in
modern times is one who fixes his mind on the laws of nature in their
sequence and connexion, not on fragments or pictures of nature; on history,
not on controversy; on the truths which are acknowledged by the few, not
on the opinions of the many. He is aware of the importance of ‘classifying
according to nature,’ and will try to ‘separate the limbs of science without
breaking them’ (Phaedr.). There is no part of truth, whether great or small,
which he will dishonour; and in the least things he will discern the greatest
(Parmen.). Like the ancient philosopher he sees the world pervaded by
analogies, but he can also tell ‘why in some cases a single instance is
sufficient for an induction’ (Mill’s Logic), while in other cases a thousand
examples would prove nothing. He inquires into a portion of knowledge
only, because the whole has grown too vast to be embraced by a single
mind or life. He has a clearer conception of the divisions of science and of
their relation to the mind of man than was possible to the ancients. Like
Plato, he has a vision of the unity of knowledge, not as the beginning of
philosophy to be attained by a study of elementary mathematics, but as the
far-off result of the working of many minds in many ages. He is aware that
mathematical studies are preliminary to almost every other; at the same
time, he will not reduce all varieties of knowledge to the type of
mathematics. He too must have a nobility of character, without which
genius loses the better half of greatness. Regarding the world as a point in
immensity, and each individual as a link in a never-ending chain of
existence, he will not think much of his own life, or be greatly afraid of
death.
Adeimantus objects first of all to the form of the Socratic reasoning, thus
showing that Plato is aware of the imperfection of his own method. He
brings the accusation against himself which might be brought against him
by a modern logician—that he extracts the answer because he knows how
to put the question. In a long argument words are apt to change their
meaning slightly, or premises may be assumed or conclusions inferred with
rather too much certainty or universality; the variation at each step may be
unobserved, and yet at last the divergence becomes considerable. Hence the
failure of attempts to apply arithmetical or algebraic formulae to logic. The
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not allow words to have the precision of numbers or of symbols. And this
quality in language impairs the force of an argument which has many steps.
The objection, though fairly met by Socrates in this particular instance,
may be regarded as implying a reflection upon the Socratic mode of
reasoning. And here, as elsewhere, Plato seems to intimate that the time had
come when the negative and interrogative method of Socrates must be
superseded by a positive and constructive one, of which examples are given
in some of the later dialogues. Adeimantus further argues that the ideal is
wholly at variance with facts; for experience proves philosophers to be
either useless or rogues. Contrary to all expectation Socrates has no
hesitation in admitting the truth of this, and explains the anomaly in an
allegory, first characteristically depreciating his own inventive powers. In
this allegory the people are distinguished from the professional politicians,
and, as elsewhere, are spoken of in a tone of pity rather than of censure
under the image of ‘the noble captain who is not very quick in his
perceptions.’
The uselessness of philosophers is explained by the circumstance that
mankind will not use them. The world in all ages has been divided between
contempt and fear of those who employ the power of ideas and know no
other weapons. Concerning the false philosopher, Socrates argues that the
best is most liable to corruption; and that the finer nature is more likely to
suffer from alien conditions. We too observe that there are some kinds of
excellence which spring from a peculiar delicacy of constitution; as is
evidently true of the poetical and imaginative temperament, which often
seems to depend on impressions, and hence can only breathe or live in a
certain atmosphere. The man of genius has greater pains and greater
pleasures, greater powers and greater weaknesses, and often a greater play
of character than is to be found in ordinary men. He can assume the
disguise of virtue or disinterestedness without having them, or veil personal
enmity in the language of patriotism and philosophy,—he can say the word
which all men are thinking, he has an insight which is terrible into the
follies and weaknesses of his fellow-men. An Alcibiades, a Mirabeau, or a
Napoleon the First, are born either to be the authors of great evils in states,
or ‘of great good, when they are drawn in that direction.’
Yet the thesis, ‘corruptio optimi pessima,’ cannot be maintained generally
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conditions which are corrupting to one nature, may be the elements of
culture to another. In general a man can only receive his highest
development in a congenial state or family, among friends or fellow-
workers. But also he may sometimes be stirred by adverse circumstances to
such a degree that he rises up against them and reforms them. And while
weaker or coarser characters will extract good out of evil, say in a corrupt
state of the church or of society, and live on happily, allowing the evil to
remain, the finer or stronger natures may be crushed or spoiled by
surrounding influences—may become misanthrope and philanthrope by
turns; or in a few instances, like the founders of the monastic orders, or the
Reformers, owing to some peculiarity in themselves or in their age, may
break away entirely from the world and from the church, sometimes into
great good, sometimes into great evil, sometimes into both. And the same
holds in the lesser sphere of a convent, a school, a family.
Plato would have us consider how easily the best natures are
overpowered by public opinion, and what efforts the rest of mankind will
make to get possession of them. The world, the church, their own
profession, any political or party organization, are always carrying them off
their legs and teaching them to apply high and holy names to their own
prejudices and interests. The ‘monster’ corporation to which they belong
judges right and truth to be the pleasure of the community. The individual
becomes one with his order; or, if he resists, the world is too much for him,
and will sooner or later be revenged on him. This is, perhaps, a one-sided
but not wholly untrue picture of the maxims and practice of mankind when
they ‘sit down together at an assembly,’ either in ancient or modern times.
When the higher natures are corrupted by politics, the lower take
possession of the vacant place of philosophy. This is described in one of
those continuous images in which the argument, to use a Platonic
expression, ‘veils herself,’ and which is dropped and reappears at intervals.
The question is asked,—Why are the citizens of states so hostile to
philosophy? The answer is, that they do not know her. And yet there is also
a better mind of the many; they would believe if they were taught. But
hitherto they have only known a conventional imitation of philosophy,
words without thoughts, systems which have no life in them; a (divine)
person uttering the words of beauty and freedom, the friend of man holding
communion with the Eternal, and seeking to frame the state in that image,
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mankind has always existed among men. The first thought is that the people
are the enemies of truth and right; the second, that this only arises out of an
accidental error and confusion, and that they do not really hate those who
love them, if they could be educated to know them.
In the latter part of the sixth book, three questions have to be considered:
1st, the nature of the longer and more circuitous way, which is contrasted
with the shorter and more imperfect method of Book IV; 2nd, the heavenly
pattern or idea of the state; 3rd, the relation of the divisions of knowledge to
one another and to the corresponding faculties of the soul:
1. Of the higher method of knowledge in Plato we have only a glimpse.
Neither here nor in the Phaedrus or Symposium, nor yet in the Philebus or
Sophist, does he give any clear explanation of his meaning. He would
probably have described his method as proceeding by regular steps to a
system of universal knowledge, which inferred the parts from the whole
rather than the whole from the parts. This ideal logic is not practised by him
in the search after justice, or in the analysis of the parts of the soul; there,
like Aristotle in the Nicomachean Ethics, he argues from experience and the
common use of language. But at the end of the sixth book he conceives
another and more perfect method, in which all ideas are only steps or grades
or moments of thought, forming a connected whole which is self-
supporting, and in which consistency is the test of truth. He does not
explain to us in detail the nature of the process. Like many other thinkers
both in ancient and modern times his mind seems to be filled with a vacant
form which he is unable to realize. He supposes the sciences to have a
natural order and connexion in an age when they can hardly be said to exist.
He is hastening on to the ‘end of the intellectual world’ without even
making a beginning of them.
In modern times we hardly need to be reminded that the process of
acquiring knowledge is here confused with the contemplation of absolute
knowledge. In all science a priori and a posteriori truths mingle in various
proportions. The a priori part is that which is derived from the most
universal experience of men, or is universally accepted by them; the a
posteriori is that which grows up around the more general principles and
becomes imperceptibly one with them. But Plato erroneously imagines that
the synthesis is separable from the analysis, and that the method of science
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he is sufficiently justified, or at least his meaning may be sufficiently
explained by the similar attempts of Descartes, Kant, Hegel, and even of
Bacon himself, in modern philosophy. Anticipations or divinations, or
prophetic glimpses of truths whether concerning man or nature, seem to
stand in the same relation to ancient philosophy which hypotheses bear to
modern inductive science. These ‘guesses at truth’ were not made at
random; they arose from a superficial impression of uniformities and first
principles in nature which the genius of the Greek, contemplating the
expanse of heaven and earth, seemed to recognize in the distance. Nor can
we deny that in ancient times knowledge must have stood still, and the
human mind been deprived of the very instruments of thought, if
philosophy had been strictly confined to the results of experience.
2. Plato supposes that when the tablet has been made blank the artist will
fill in the lineaments of the ideal state. Is this a pattern laid up in heaven, or
mere vacancy on which he is supposed to gaze with wondering eye? The
answer is, that such ideals are framed partly by the omission of particulars,
partly by imagination perfecting the form which experience supplies
(Phaedo). Plato represents these ideals in a figure as belonging to another
world; and in modern times the idea will sometimes seem to precede, at
other times to co-operate with the hand of the artist. As in science, so also in
creative art, there is a synthetical as well as an analytical method. One man
will have the whole in his mind before he begins; to another the processes
of mind and hand will be simultaneous.
3. There is no difficulty in seeing that Plato’s divisions of knowledge are
based, first, on the fundamental antithesis of sensible and intellectual which
pervades the whole pre-Socratic philosophy; in which is implied also the
opposition of the permanent and transient, of the universal and particular.
But the age of philosophy in which he lived seemed to require a further
distinction;—numbers and figures were beginning to separate from ideas.
The world could no longer regard justice as a cube, and was learning to see,
though imperfectly, that the abstractions of sense were distinct from the
abstractions of mind. Between the Eleatic being or essence and the shadows
of phenomena, the Pythagorean principle of number found a place, and was,
as Aristotle remarks, a conducting medium from one to the other. Hence
Plato is led to introduce a third term which had not hitherto entered into the
scheme of his philosophy. He had observed the use of mathematics in
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relation between them further suggested an objective one; although the
passage from one to the other is really imaginary (Metaph.). For
metaphysical and moral philosophy has no connexion with mathematics;
number and figure are the abstractions of time and space, not the
expressions of purely intellectual conceptions. When divested of metaphor,
a straight line or a square has no more to do with right and justice than a
crooked line with vice. The figurative association was mistaken for a real
one; and thus the three latter divisions of the Platonic proportion were
constructed.
There is more difficulty in comprehending how he arrived at the first
term of the series, which is nowhere else mentioned, and has no reference to
any other part of his system. Nor indeed does the relation of shadows to
objects correspond to the relation of numbers to ideas. Probably Plato has
been led by the love of analogy (Timaeus) to make four terms instead of
three, although the objects perceived in both divisions of the lower sphere
are equally objects of sense. He is also preparing the way, as his manner is,
for the shadows of images at the beginning of the seventh book, and the
imitation of an imitation in the tenth. The line may be regarded as reaching
from unity to infinity, and is divided into two unequal parts, and subdivided
into two more; each lower sphere is the multiplication of the preceding. Of
the four faculties, faith in the lower division has an intermediate position
(cp. for the use of the word faith or belief, (Greek), Timaeus), contrasting
equally with the vagueness of the perception of shadows (Greek) and the
higher certainty of understanding (Greek) and reason (Greek).
The difference between understanding and mind or reason (Greek) is
analogous to the difference between acquiring knowledge in the parts and
the contemplation of the whole. True knowledge is a whole, and is at rest;
consistency and universality are the tests of truth. To this self-evidencing
knowledge of the whole the faculty of mind is supposed to correspond. But
there is a knowledge of the understanding which is incomplete and in
motion always, because unable to rest in the subordinate ideas. Those ideas
are called both images and hypotheses—images because they are clothed in
sense, hypotheses because they are assumptions only, until they are brought
into connexion with the idea of good.
The general meaning of the passage, ‘Noble, then, is the bond which
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the thought contained in it admits of being translated into the terms of
modern philosophy, may be described or explained as follows:—There is a
truth, one and self-existent, to which by the help of a ladder let down from
above, the human intelligence may ascend. This unity is like the sun in the
heavens, the light by which all things are seen, the being by which they are
created and sustained. It is the IDEA of good. And the steps of the ladder
leading up to this highest or universal existence are the mathematical
sciences, which also contain in themselves an element of the universal.
These, too, we see in a new manner when we connect them with the idea of
good. They then cease to be hypotheses or pictures, and become essential
parts of a higher truth which is at once their first principle and their final
cause.
We cannot give any more precise meaning to this remarkable passage,
but we may trace in it several rudiments or vestiges of thought which are
common to us and to Plato: such as (1) the unity and correlation of the
sciences, or rather of science, for in Plato’s time they were not yet parted off
or distinguished; (2) the existence of a Divine Power, or life or idea or cause
or reason, not yet conceived or no longer conceived as in the Timaeus and
elsewhere under the form of a person; (3) the recognition of the
hypothetical and conditional character of the mathematical sciences, and in
a measure of every science when isolated from the rest; (4) the conviction
of a truth which is invisible, and of a law, though hardly a law of nature,
which permeates the intellectual rather than the visible world.
The method of Socrates is hesitating and tentative, awaiting the fuller
explanation of the idea of good, and of the nature of dialectic in the seventh
book. The imperfect intelligence of Glaucon, and the reluctance of Socrates
to make a beginning, mark the difficulty of the subject. The allusion to
Theages’ bridle, and to the internal oracle, or demonic sign, of Socrates,
which here, as always in Plato, is only prohibitory; the remark that the
salvation of any remnant of good in the present evil state of the world is due
to God only; the reference to a future state of existence, which is unknown
to Glaucon in the tenth book, and in which the discussions of Socrates and
his disciples would be resumed; the surprise in the answers; the fanciful
irony of Socrates, where he pretends that he can only describe the strange
position of the philosopher in a figure of speech; the original observation
that the Sophists, after all, are only the representatives and not the leaders of
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of sleet under a wall; the figure of ‘the great beast’ followed by the
expression of good-will towards the common people who would not have
rejected the philosopher if they had known him; the ‘right noble thought’
that the highest truths demand the greatest exactness; the hesitation of
Socrates in returning once more to his well-worn theme of the idea of good;
the ludicrous earnestness of Glaucon; the comparison of philosophy to a
deserted maiden who marries beneath her—are some of the most interesting
characteristics of the sixth book.
Yet a few more words may be added, on the old theme, which was so oft
discussed in the Socratic circle, of which we, like Glaucon and Adeimantus,
would fain, if possible, have a clearer notion. Like them, we are dissatisfied
when we are told that the idea of good can only be revealed to a student of
the mathematical sciences, and we are inclined to think that neither we nor
they could have been led along that path to any satisfactory goal. For we
have learned that differences of quantity cannot pass into differences of
quality, and that the mathematical sciences can never rise above themselves
into the sphere of our higher thoughts, although they may sometimes
furnish symbols and expressions of them, and may train the mind in habits
of abstraction and self-concentration. The illusion which was natural to an
ancient philosopher has ceased to be an illusion to us. But if the process by
which we are supposed to arrive at the idea of good be really imaginary,
may not the idea itself be also a mere abstraction? We remark, first, that in
all ages, and especially in primitive philosophy, words such as being,
essence, unity, good, have exerted an extraordinary influence over the
minds of men. The meagreness or negativeness of their content has been in
an inverse ratio to their power. They have become the forms under which all
things were comprehended. There was a need or instinct in the human soul
which they satisfied; they were not ideas, but gods, and to this new
mythology the men of a later generation began to attach the powers and
associations of the elder deities.
The idea of good is one of those sacred words or forms of thought, which
were beginning to take the place of the old mythology. It meant unity, in
which all time and all existence were gathered up. It was the truth of all
things, and also the light in which they shone forth, and became evident to
intelligences human and divine. It was the cause of all things, the power by
which they were brought into being. It was the universal reason divested of
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knowledge and all power were comprehended in it. The way to it was
through the mathematical sciences, and these too were dependent on it. To
ask whether God was the maker of it, or made by it, would be like asking
whether God could be conceived apart from goodness, or goodness apart
from God. The God of the Timaeus is not really at variance with the idea of
good; they are aspects of the same, differing only as the personal from the
impersonal, or the masculine from the neuter, the one being the expression
or language of mythology, the other of philosophy.
This, or something like this, is the meaning of the idea of good as
conceived by Plato. Ideas of number, order, harmony, development may
also be said to enter into it. The paraphrase which has just been given of it
goes beyond the actual words of Plato. We have perhaps arrived at the stage
of philosophy which enables us to understand what he is aiming at, better
than he did himself. We are beginning to realize what he saw darkly and at a
distance. But if he could have been told that this, or some conception of the
same kind, but higher than this, was the truth at which he was aiming, and
the need which he sought to supply, he would gladly have recognized that
more was contained in his own thoughts than he himself knew. As his
words are few and his manner reticent and tentative, so must the style of his
interpreter be. We should not approach his meaning more nearly by
attempting to define it further. In translating him into the language of
modern thought, we might insensibly lose the spirit of ancient philosophy. It
is remarkable that although Plato speaks of the idea of good as the first
principle of truth and being, it is nowhere mentioned in his writings except
in this passage. Nor did it retain any hold upon the minds of his disciples in
a later generation; it was probably unintelligible to them. Nor does the
mention of it in Aristotle appear to have any reference to this or any other
passage in his extant writings.
BOOK VII. And now I will describe in a figure the enlightenment or
unenlightenment of our nature:—Imagine human beings living in an
underground den which is open towards the light; they have been there from
childhood, having their necks and legs chained, and can only see into the
den. At a distance there is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners a
raised way, and a low wall is built along the way, like the screen over which
marionette players show their puppets. Behind the wall appear moving
figures, who hold in their hands various works of art, and among them
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talking and others silent. ‘A strange parable,’ he said, ‘and strange captives.’
They are ourselves, I replied; and they see only the shadows of the images
which the fire throws on the wall of the den; to these they give names, and
if we add an echo which returns from the wall, the voices of the passengers
will seem to proceed from the shadows. Suppose now that you suddenly
turn them round and make them look with pain and grief to themselves at
the real images; will they believe them to be real? Will not their eyes be
dazzled, and will they not try to get away from the light to something which
they are able to behold without blinking? And suppose further, that they are
dragged up a steep and rugged ascent into the presence of the sun himself,
will not their sight be darkened with the excess of light? Some time will
pass before they get the habit of perceiving at all; and at first they will be
able to perceive only shadows and reflections in the water; then they will
recognize the moon and the stars, and will at length behold the sun in his
own proper place as he is. Last of all they will conclude:—This is he who
gives us the year and the seasons, and is the author of all that we see. How
will they rejoice in passing from darkness to light! How worthless to them
will seem the honours and glories of the den! But now imagine further, that
they descend into their old habitations;—in that underground dwelling they
will not see as well as their fellows, and will not be able to compete with
them in the measurement of the shadows on the wall; there will be many
jokes about the man who went on a visit to the sun and lost his eyes, and if
they find anybody trying to set free and enlighten one of their number, they
will put him to death, if they can catch him. Now the cave or den is the
world of sight, the fire is the sun, the way upwards is the way to knowledge,
and in the world of knowledge the idea of good is last seen and with
difficulty, but when seen is inferred to be the author of good and right—
parent of the lord of light in this world, and of truth and understanding in
the other. He who attains to the beatific vision is always going upwards; he
is unwilling to descend into political assemblies and courts of law; for his
eyes are apt to blink at the images or shadows of images which they behold
in them—he cannot enter into the ideas of those who have never in their
lives understood the relation of the shadow to the substance. But blindness
is of two kinds, and may be caused either by passing out of darkness into
light or out of light into darkness, and a man of sense will distinguish
between them, and will not laugh equally at both of them, but the blindness
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or if he laugh at the puzzled soul looking at the sun, he will have more
reason to laugh than the inhabitants of the den at those who descend from
above. There is a further lesson taught by this parable of ours. Some
persons fancy that instruction is like giving eyes to the blind, but we say
that the faculty of sight was always there, and that the soul only requires to
be turned round towards the light. And this is conversion; other virtues are
almost like bodily habits, and may be acquired in the same manner, but
intelligence has a diviner life, and is indestructible, turning either to good or
evil according to the direction given. Did you never observe how the mind
of a clever rogue peers out of his eyes, and the more clearly he sees, the
more evil he does? Now if you take such an one, and cut away from him
those leaden weights of pleasure and desire which bind his soul to earth, his
intelligence will be turned round, and he will behold the truth as clearly as
he now discerns his meaner ends. And have we not decided that our rulers
must neither be so uneducated as to have no fixed rule of life, nor so over-
educated as to be unwilling to leave their paradise for the business of the
world? We must choose out therefore the natures who are most likely to
ascend to the light and knowledge of the good; but we must not allow them
to remain in the region of light; they must be forced down again among the
captives in the den to partake of their labours and honours. ‘Will they not
think this a hardship?’ You should remember that our purpose in framing
the State was not that our citizens should do what they like, but that they
should serve the State for the common good of all. May we not fairly say to
our philosopher,—Friend, we do you no wrong; for in other States
philosophy grows wild, and a wild plant owes nothing to the gardener, but
you have been trained by us to be the rulers and kings of our hive, and
therefore we must insist on your descending into the den. You must, each of
you, take your turn, and become able to use your eyes in the dark, and with
a little practice you will see far better than those who quarrel about the
shadows, whose knowledge is a dream only, whilst yours is a waking
reality. It may be that the saint or philosopher who is best fitted, may also
be the least inclined to rule, but necessity is laid upon him, and he must no
longer live in the heaven of ideas. And this will be the salvation of the State.
For those who rule must not be those who are desirous to rule; and, if you
can offer to our citizens a better life than that of rulers generally is, there
will be a chance that the rich, not only in this world’s goods, but in virtue
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Then now comes the question,—How shall we create our rulers; what
way is there from darkness to light? The change is effected by philosophy;
it is not the turning over of an oyster-shell, but the conversion of a soul
from night to day, from becoming to being. And what training will draw the
soul upwards? Our former education had two branches, gymnastic, which
was occupied with the body, and music, the sister art, which infused a
natural harmony into mind and literature; but neither of these sciences gave
any promise of doing what we want. Nothing remains to us but that
universal or primary science of which all the arts and sciences are partakers,
I mean number or calculation. ‘Very true.’ Including the art of war? ‘Yes,
certainly.’ Then there is something ludicrous about Palamedes in the
tragedy, coming in and saying that he had invented number, and had
counted the ranks and set them in order. For if Agamemnon could not count
his feet (and without number how could he?) he must have been a pretty
sort of general indeed. No man should be a soldier who cannot count, and
indeed he is hardly to be called a man. But I am not speaking of these
practical applications of arithmetic, for number, in my view, is rather to be
regarded as a conductor to thought and being. I will explain what I mean by
the last expression:—Things sensible are of two kinds; the one class invite
or stimulate the mind, while in the other the mind acquiesces. Now the
stimulating class are the things which suggest contrast and relation. For
example, suppose that I hold up to the eyes three fingers—a fore finger, a
middle finger, a little finger—the sight equally recognizes all three fingers,
but without number cannot further distinguish them. Or again, suppose two
objects to be relatively great and small, these ideas of greatness and
smallness are supplied not by the sense, but by the mind. And the
perception of their contrast or relation quickens and sets in motion the
mind, which is puzzled by the confused intimations of sense, and has
recourse to number in order to find out whether the things indicated are one
or more than one. Number replies that they are two and not one, and are to
be distinguished from one another. Again, the sight beholds great and small,
but only in a confused chaos, and not until they are distinguished does the
question arise of their respective natures; we are thus led on to the
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I spoke of stimulants to the intellect; I was thinking of the contradictions
which arise in perception. The idea of unity, for example, like that of a
finger, does not arouse thought unless involving some conception of
plurality; but when the one is also the opposite of one, the contradiction
gives rise to reflection; an example of this is afforded by any object of sight.
All number has also an elevating effect; it raises the mind out of the foam
and flux of generation to the contemplation of being, having lesser military
and retail uses also. The retail use is not required by us; but as our guardian
is to be a soldier as well as a philosopher, the military one may be retained.
And to our higher purpose no science can be better adapted; but it must be
pursued in the spirit of a philosopher, not of a shopkeeper. It is concerned,
not with visible objects, but with abstract truth; for numbers are pure
abstractions—the true arithmetician indignantly denies that his unit is
capable of division. When you divide, he insists that you are only
multiplying; his ‘one’ is not material or resolvable into fractions, but an
unvarying and absolute equality; and this proves the purely intellectual
character of his study. Note also the great power which arithmetic has of
sharpening the wits; no other discipline is equally severe, or an equal test of
general ability, or equally improving to a stupid person.
Let our second branch of education be geometry. ‘I can easily see,’
replied Glaucon, ‘that the skill of the general will be doubled by his
knowledge of geometry.’ That is a small matter; the use of geometry, to
which I refer, is the assistance given by it in the contemplation of the idea
of good, and the compelling the mind to look at true being, and not at
generation only. Yet the present mode of pursuing these studies, as any one
who is the least of a mathematician is aware, is mean and ridiculous; they
are made to look downwards to the arts, and not upwards to eternal
existence. The geometer is always talking of squaring, subtending,
apposing, as if he had in view action; whereas knowledge is the real object
of the study. It should elevate the soul, and create the mind of philosophy; it
should raise up what has fallen down, not to speak of lesser uses in war and
military tactics, and in the improvement of the faculties.
Shall we propose, as a third branch of our education, astronomy? ‘Very
good,’ replied Glaucon; ‘the knowledge of the heavens is necessary at once
for husbandry, navigation, military tactics.’ I like your way of giving useful
reasons for everything in order to make friends of the world. And there is a
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information but a purification of the eye of the soul, which is better than the
bodily eye, for by this alone is truth seen. Now, will you appeal to mankind
in general or to the philosopher? or would you prefer to look to yourself
only? ‘Every man is his own best friend.’ Then take a step backward, for we
are out of order, and insert the third dimension which is of solids, after the
second which is of planes, and then you may proceed to solids in motion.
But solid geometry is not popular and has not the patronage of the State, nor
is the use of it fully recognized; the difficulty is great, and the votaries of
the study are conceited and impatient. Still the charm of the pursuit wins
upon men, and, if government would lend a little assistance, there might be
great progress made. ‘Very true,’ replied Glaucon; ‘but do I understand you
now to begin with plane geometry, and to place next geometry of solids,
and thirdly, astronomy, or the motion of solids?’ Yes, I said; my hastiness
has only hindered us.
‘Very good, and now let us proceed to astronomy, about which I am
willing to speak in your lofty strain. No one can fail to see that the
contemplation of the heavens draws the soul upwards.’ I am an exception,
then; astronomy as studied at present appears to me to draw the soul not
upwards, but downwards. Star-gazing is just looking up at the ceiling—no
better; a man may lie on his back on land or on water—he may look up or
look down, but there is no science in that. The vision of knowledge of
which I speak is seen not with the eyes, but with the mind. All the
magnificence of the heavens is but the embroidery of a copy which falls far
short of the divine Original, and teaches nothing about the absolute
harmonies or motions of things. Their beauty is like the beauty of figures
drawn by the hand of Daedalus or any other great artist, which may be used
for illustration, but no mathematician would seek to obtain from them true
conceptions of equality or numerical relations. How ridiculous then to look
for these in the map of the heavens, in which the imperfection of matter
comes in everywhere as a disturbing element, marring the symmetry of day
and night, of months and years, of the sun and stars in their courses. Only
by problems can we place astronomy on a truly scientific basis. Let the
heavens alone, and exert the intellect.
Still, mathematics admit of other applications, as the Pythagoreans say,
and we agree. There is a sister science of harmonical motion, adapted to the
ear as astronomy is to the eye, and there may be other applications also. Let
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aim higher than theirs, which is the relation of these sciences to the idea of
good. The error which pervades astronomy also pervades harmonics. The
musicians put their ears in the place of their minds. ‘Yes,’ replied Glaucon,
‘I like to see them laying their ears alongside of their neighbours’ faces—
some saying, “That’s a new note,” others declaring that the two notes are
the same.’ Yes, I said; but you mean the empirics who are always twisting
and torturing the strings of the lyre, and quarrelling about the tempers of the
strings; I am referring rather to the Pythagorean harmonists, who are almost
equally in error. For they investigate only the numbers of the consonances
which are heard, and ascend no higher,—of the true numerical harmony
which is unheard, and is only to be found in problems, they have not even a
conception. ‘That last,’ he said, ‘must be a marvellous thing.’ A thing, I
replied, which is only useful if pursued with a view to the good.
All these sciences are the prelude of the strain, and are profitable if they
are regarded in their natural relations to one another. ‘I dare say, Socrates,’
said Glaucon; ‘but such a study will be an endless business.’ What study do
you mean—of the prelude, or what? For all these things are only the
prelude, and you surely do not suppose that a mere mathematician is also a
dialectician? ‘Certainly not. I have hardly ever known a mathematician who
could reason.’ And yet, Glaucon, is not true reasoning that hymn of dialectic
which is the music of the intellectual world, and which was by us compared
to the effort of sight, when from beholding the shadows on the wall we
arrived at last at the images which gave the shadows? Even so the
dialectical faculty withdrawing from sense arrives by the pure intellect at
the contemplation of the idea of good, and never rests but at the very end of
the intellectual world. And the royal road out of the cave into the light, and
the blinking of the eyes at the sun and turning to contemplate the shadows
of reality, not the shadows of an image only—this progress and gradual
acquisition of a new faculty of sight by the help of the mathematical
sciences, is the elevation of the soul to the contemplation of the highest
ideal of being.
‘So far, I agree with you. But now, leaving the prelude, let us proceed to
the hymn. What, then, is the nature of dialectic, and what are the paths
which lead thither?’ Dear Glaucon, you cannot follow me here. There can
be no revelation of the absolute truth to one who has not been disciplined in
the previous sciences. But that there is a science of absolute truth, which is
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confident. For all other arts or sciences are relative to human needs and
opinions; and the mathematical sciences are but a dream or hypothesis of
true being, and never analyse their own principles. Dialectic alone rises to
the principle which is above hypotheses, converting and gently leading the
eye of the soul out of the barbarous slough of ignorance into the light of the
upper world, with the help of the sciences which we have been describing—
sciences, as they are often termed, although they require some other name,
implying greater clearness than opinion and less clearness than science, and
this in our previous sketch was understanding. And so we get four names—
two for intellect, and two for opinion,—reason or mind, understanding,
faith, perception of shadows—which make a proportion—
being:becoming::intellect:opinion—and science:belief::understanding:
perception of shadows. Dialectic may be further described as that science
which defines and explains the essence or being of each nature, which
distinguishes and abstracts the good, and is ready to do battle against all
opponents in the cause of good. To him who is not a dialectician life is but a
sleepy dream; and many a man is in his grave before his is well waked up.
And would you have the future rulers of your ideal State intelligent beings,
or stupid as posts? ‘Certainly not the latter.’ Then you must train them in
dialectic, which will teach them to ask and answer questions, and is the
coping-stone of the sciences.
I dare say that you have not forgotten how our rulers were chosen; and
the process of selection may be carried a step further:—As before, they
must be constant and valiant, good-looking, and of noble manners, but now
they must also have natural ability which education will improve; that is to
say, they must be quick at learning, capable of mental toil, retentive, solid,
diligent natures, who combine intellectual with moral virtues; not lame and
one-sided, diligent in bodily exercise and indolent in mind, or conversely;
not a maimed soul, which hates falsehood and yet unintentionally is always
wallowing in the mire of ignorance; not a bastard or feeble person, but
sound in wind and limb, and in perfect condition for the great gymnastic
trial of the mind. Justice herself can find no fault with natures such as these;
and they will be the saviours of our State; disciples of another sort would
only make philosophy more ridiculous than she is at present. Forgive my
enthusiasm; I am becoming excited; but when I see her trampled underfoot,
I am angry at the authors of her disgrace. ‘I did not notice that you were
more excited than you ought to have been.’ But I felt that I was. Now do not

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let us forget another point in the selection of our disciples—that they must
be young and not old. For Solon is mistaken in saying that an old man can
be always learning; youth is the time of study, and here we must remember
that the mind is free and dainty, and, unlike the body, must not be made to
work against the grain. Learning should be at first a sort of play, in which
the natural bent is detected. As in training them for war, the young dogs
should at first only taste blood; but when the necessary gymnastics are over
which during two or three years divide life between sleep and bodily
exercise, then the education of the soul will become a more serious matter.
At twenty years of age, a selection must be made of the more promising
disciples, with whom a new epoch of education will begin. The sciences
which they have hitherto learned in fragments will now be brought into
relation with each other and with true being; for the power of combining
them is the test of speculative and dialectical ability. And afterwards at
thirty a further selection shall be made of those who are able to withdraw
from the world of sense into the abstraction of ideas. But at this point,
judging from present experience, there is a danger that dialectic may be the
source of many evils. The danger may be illustrated by a parallel case:—
Imagine a person who has been brought up in wealth and luxury amid a
crowd of flatterers, and who is suddenly informed that he is a supposititious
son. He has hitherto honoured his reputed parents and disregarded the
flatterers, and now he does the reverse. This is just what happens with a
man’s principles. There are certain doctrines which he learnt at home and
which exercised a parental authority over him. Presently he finds that
imputations are cast upon them; a troublesome querist comes and asks,
‘What is the just and good?’ or proves that virtue is vice and vice virtue, and
his mind becomes unsettled, and he ceases to love, honour, and obey them
as he has hitherto done. He is seduced into the life of pleasure, and becomes
a lawless person and a rogue. The case of such speculators is very pitiable,
and, in order that our thirty years’ old pupils may not require this pity, let us
take every possible care that young persons do not study philosophy too
early. For a young man is a sort of puppy who only plays with an argument;
and is reasoned into and out of his opinions every day; he soon begins to
believe nothing, and brings himself and philosophy into discredit. A man of
thirty does not run on in this way; he will argue and not merely contradict,
and adds new honour to philosophy by the sobriety of his conduct. What
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twice the time required for the gymnastics of the body; six, or perhaps five
years, to commence at thirty, and then for fifteen years let the student go
down into the den, and command armies, and gain experience of life. At
fifty let him return to the end of all things, and have his eyes uplifted to the
idea of good, and order his life after that pattern; if necessary, taking his
turn at the helm of State, and training up others to be his successors. When
his time comes he shall depart in peace to the islands of the blest. He shall
be honoured with sacrifices, and receive such worship as the Pythian oracle
approves.
‘You are a statuary, Socrates, and have made a perfect image of our
governors.’ Yes, and of our governesses, for the women will share in all
things with the men. And you will admit that our State is not a mere
aspiration, but may really come into being when there shall arise
philosopher-kings, one or more, who will despise earthly vanities, and will
be the servants of justice only. ‘And how will they begin their work?’ Their
first act will be to send away into the country all those who are more than
ten years of age, and to proceed with those who are left...
At the commencement of the sixth book, Plato anticipated his
explanation of the relation of the philosopher to the world in an allegory, in
this, as in other passages, following the order which he prescribes in
education, and proceeding from the concrete to the abstract. At the
commencement of Book VII, under the figure of a cave having an opening
towards a fire and a way upwards to the true light, he returns to view the
divisions of knowledge, exhibiting familiarly, as in a picture, the result
which had been hardly won by a great effort of thought in the previous
discussion; at the same time casting a glance onward at the dialectical
process, which is represented by the way leading from darkness to light.
The shadows, the images, the reflection of the sun and stars in the water, the
stars and sun themselves, severally correspond,—the first, to the realm of
fancy and poetry,—the second, to the world of sense,—the third, to the
abstractions or universals of sense, of which the mathematical sciences
furnish the type,—the fourth and last to the same abstractions, when seen in
the unity of the idea, from which they derive a new meaning and power.
The true dialectical process begins with the contemplation of the real stars,
and not mere reflections of them, and ends with the recognition of the sun,
or idea of good, as the parent not only of light but of warmth and growth.
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there is the early education of childhood and youth in the fancies of the
poets, and in the laws and customs of the State;—then there is the training
of the body to be a warrior athlete, and a good servant of the mind;—and
thirdly, after an interval follows the education of later life, which begins
with mathematics and proceeds to philosophy in general.
There seem to be two great aims in the philosophy of Plato,—first, to
realize abstractions; secondly, to connect them. According to him, the true
education is that which draws men from becoming to being, and to a
comprehensive survey of all being. He desires to develop in the human
mind the faculty of seeing the universal in all things; until at last the
particulars of sense drop away and the universal alone remains. He then
seeks to combine the universals which he has disengaged from sense, not
perceiving that the correlation of them has no other basis but the common
use of language. He never understands that abstractions, as Hegel says, are
‘mere abstractions’—of use when employed in the arrangement of facts, but
adding nothing to the sum of knowledge when pursued apart from them, or
with reference to an imaginary idea of good. Still the exercise of the faculty
of abstraction apart from facts has enlarged the mind, and played a great
part in the education of the human race. Plato appreciated the value of this
faculty, and saw that it might be quickened by the study of number and
relation. All things in which there is opposition or proportion are suggestive
of reflection. The mere impression of sense evokes no power of thought or
of mind, but when sensible objects ask to be compared and distinguished,
then philosophy begins. The science of arithmetic first suggests such
distinctions. The follow in order the other sciences of plain and solid
geometry, and of solids in motion, one branch of which is astronomy or the
harmony of the spheres,—to this is appended the sister science of the
harmony of sounds. Plato seems also to hint at the possibility of other
applications of arithmetical or mathematical proportions, such as we
employ in chemistry and natural philosophy, such as the Pythagoreans and
even Aristotle make use of in Ethics and Politics, e.g. his distinction
between arithmetical and geometrical proportion in the Ethics (Book V), or
between numerical and proportional equality in the Politics.
The modern mathematician will readily sympathise with Plato’s delight
in the properties of pure mathematics. He will not be disinclined to say with
him:—Let alone the heavens, and study the beauties of number and figure
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He will observe that Plato has a conception of geometry, in which figures
are to be dispensed with; thus in a distant and shadowy way seeming to
anticipate the possibility of working geometrical problems by a more
general mode of analysis. He will remark with interest on the backward
state of solid geometry, which, alas! was not encouraged by the aid of the
State in the age of Plato; and he will recognize the grasp of Plato’s mind in
his ability to conceive of one science of solids in motion including the earth
as well as the heavens,—not forgetting to notice the intimation to which
allusion has been already made, that besides astronomy and harmonics the
science of solids in motion may have other applications. Still more will he
be struck with the comprehensiveness of view which led Plato, at a time
when these sciences hardly existed, to say that they must be studied in
relation to one another, and to the idea of good, or common principle of
truth and being. But he will also see (and perhaps without surprise) that in
that stage of physical and mathematical knowledge, Plato has fallen into the
error of supposing that he can construct the heavens a priori by
mathematical problems, and determine the principles of harmony
irrespective of the adaptation of sounds to the human ear. The illusion was a
natural one in that age and country. The simplicity and certainty of
astronomy and harmonics seemed to contrast with the variation and
complexity of the world of sense; hence the circumstance that there was
some elementary basis of fact, some measurement of distance or time or
vibrations on which they must ultimately rest, was overlooked by him. The
modern predecessors of Newton fell into errors equally great; and Plato can
hardly be said to have been very far wrong, or may even claim a sort of
prophetic insight into the subject, when we consider that the greater part of
astronomy at the present day consists of abstract dynamics, by the help of
which most astronomical discoveries have been made.
The metaphysical philosopher from his point of view recognizes
mathematics as an instrument of education,—which strengthens the power
of attention, developes the sense of order and the faculty of construction,
and enables the mind to grasp under simple formulae the quantitative
differences of physical phenomena. But while acknowledging their value in
education, he sees also that they have no connexion with our higher moral
and intellectual ideas. In the attempt which Plato makes to connect them,
we easily trace the influences of ancient Pythagorean notions. There is no
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describing numbers which are pure abstractions, to which he assigns a real
and separate existence, which, as ‘the teachers of the art’ (meaning probably
the Pythagoreans) would have affirmed, repel all attempts at subdivision,
and in which unity and every other number are conceived of as absolute.
The truth and certainty of numbers, when thus disengaged from
phenomena, gave them a kind of sacredness in the eyes of an ancient
philosopher. Nor is it easy to say how far ideas of order and fixedness may
have had a moral and elevating influence on the minds of men, ‘who,’ in the
words of the Timaeus, ‘might learn to regulate their erring lives according
to them.’ It is worthy of remark that the old Pythagorean ethical symbols
still exist as figures of speech among ourselves. And those who in modern
times see the world pervaded by universal law, may also see an anticipation
of this last word of modern philosophy in the Platonic idea of good, which
is the source and measure of all things, and yet only an abstraction
(Philebus).
Two passages seem to require more particular explanations. First, that
which relates to the analysis of vision. The difficulty in this passage may be
explained, like many others, from differences in the modes of conception
prevailing among ancient and modern thinkers. To us, the perceptions of
sense are inseparable from the act of the mind which accompanies them.
The consciousness of form, colour, distance, is indistinguishable from the
simple sensation, which is the medium of them. Whereas to Plato sense is
the Heraclitean flux of sense, not the vision of objects in the order in which
they actually present themselves to the experienced sight, but as they may
be imagined to appear confused and blurred to the half-awakened eye of the
infant. The first action of the mind is aroused by the attempt to set in order
this chaos, and the reason is required to frame distinct conceptions under
which the confused impressions of sense may be arranged. Hence arises the
question, ‘What is great, what is small?’ and thus begins the distinction of
the visible and the intelligible.
The second difficulty relates to Plato’s conception of harmonics. Three
classes of harmonists are distinguished by him:—first, the Pythagoreans,
whom he proposes to consult as in the previous discussion on music he was
to consult Damon—they are acknowledged to be masters in the art, but are
altogether deficient in the knowledge of its higher import and relation to the
good; secondly, the mere empirics, whom Glaucon appears to confuse with
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experimenting by mere auscultation on the intervals of sounds. Both of
these fall short in different degrees of the Platonic idea of harmony, which
must be studied in a purely abstract way, first by the method of problems,
and secondly as a part of universal knowledge in relation to the idea of
good.
The allegory has a political as well as a philosophical meaning. The den
or cave represents the narrow sphere of politics or law (compare the
description of the philosopher and lawyer in the Theaetetus), and the light
of the eternal ideas is supposed to exercise a disturbing influence on the
minds of those who return to this lower world. In other words, their
principles are too wide for practical application; they are looking far away
into the past and future, when their business is with the present. The ideal is
not easily reduced to the conditions of actual life, and may often be at
variance with them. And at first, those who return are unable to compete
with the inhabitants of the den in the measurement of the shadows, and are
derided and persecuted by them; but after a while they see the things below
in far truer proportions than those who have never ascended into the upper
world. The difference between the politician turned into a philosopher and
the philosopher turned into a politician, is symbolized by the two kinds of
disordered eyesight, the one which is experienced by the captive who is
transferred from darkness to day, the other, of the heavenly messenger who
voluntarily for the good of his fellow-men descends into the den. In what
way the brighter light is to dawn on the inhabitants of the lower world, or
how the idea of good is to become the guiding principle of politics, is left
unexplained by Plato. Like the nature and divisions of dialectic, of which
Glaucon impatiently demands to be informed, perhaps he would have said
that the explanation could not be given except to a disciple of the previous
sciences. (Symposium.)
Many illustrations of this part of the Republic may be found in modern
Politics and in daily life. For among ourselves, too, there have been two
sorts of Politicians or Statesmen, whose eyesight has become disordered in
two different ways. First, there have been great men who, in the language of
Burke, ‘have been too much given to general maxims,’ who, like J.S. Mill
or Burke himself, have been theorists or philosophers before they were
politicians, or who, having been students of history, have allowed some
great historical parallel, such as the English Revolution of 1688, or possibly
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which they viewed contemporary events. Or perhaps the long projecting
shadow of some existing institution may have darkened their vision. The
Church of the future, the Commonwealth of the future, the Society of the
future, have so absorbed their minds, that they are unable to see in their true
proportions the Politics of to-day. They have been intoxicated with great
ideas, such as liberty, or equality, or the greatest happiness of the greatest
number, or the brotherhood of humanity, and they no longer care to
consider how these ideas must be limited in practice or harmonized with the
conditions of human life. They are full of light, but the light to them has
become only a sort of luminous mist or blindness. Almost every one has
known some enthusiastic half-educated person, who sees everything at false
distances, and in erroneous proportions.
With this disorder of eyesight may be contrasted another—of those who
see not far into the distance, but what is near only; who have been engaged
all their lives in a trade or a profession; who are limited to a set or sect of
their own. Men of this kind have no universal except their own interests or
the interests of their class, no principle but the opinion of persons like
themselves, no knowledge of affairs beyond what they pick up in the streets
or at their club. Suppose them to be sent into a larger world, to undertake
some higher calling, from being tradesmen to turn generals or politicians,
from being schoolmasters to become philosophers:—or imagine them on a
sudden to receive an inward light which reveals to them for the first time in
their lives a higher idea of God and the existence of a spiritual world, by
this sudden conversion or change is not their daily life likely to be upset;
and on the other hand will not many of their old prejudices and
narrownesses still adhere to them long after they have begun to take a more
comprehensive view of human things? From familiar examples like these
we may learn what Plato meant by the eyesight which is liable to two kinds
of disorders.
Nor have we any difficulty in drawing a parallel between the young
Athenian in the fifth century before Christ who became unsettled by new
ideas, and the student of a modern University who has been the subject of a
similar ‘aufklärung.’ We too observe that when young men begin to criticise
customary beliefs, or to analyse the constitution of human nature, they are
apt to lose hold of solid principle (ἅπαν τὸ βέβαιον αὐτῶν ἐξοίχεται). They
are like trees which have been frequently transplanted. The earth about
them is loose, and they have no roots reaching far into the soil. They ‘light

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upon every flower,’ following their own wayward wills, or because the
wind blows them. They catch opinions, as diseases are caught—when they
are in the air. Borne hither and thither, ‘they speedily fall into beliefs’ the
opposite of those in which they were brought up. They hardly retain the
distinction of right and wrong; they seem to think one thing as good as
another. They suppose themselves to be searching after truth when they are
playing the game of ‘follow my leader.’ They fall in love ‘at first sight’ with
paradoxes respecting morality, some fancy about art, some novelty or
eccentricity in religion, and like lovers they are so absorbed for a time in
their new notion that they can think of nothing else. The resolution of some
philosophical or theological question seems to them more interesting and
important than any substantial knowledge of literature or science or even
than a good life. Like the youth in the Philebus, they are ready to discourse
to any one about a new philosophy. They are generally the disciples of some
eminent professor or sophist, whom they rather imitate than understand.
They may be counted happy if in later years they retain some of the simple
truths which they acquired in early education, and which they may, perhaps,
find to be worth all the rest. Such is the picture which Plato draws and
which we only reproduce, partly in his own words, of the dangers which
beset youth in times of transition, when old opinions are fading away and
the new are not yet firmly established. Their condition is ingeniously
compared by him to that of a supposititious son, who has made the
discovery that his reputed parents are not his real ones, and, in consequence,
they have lost their authority over him.
The distinction between the mathematician and the dialectician is also
noticeable. Plato is very well aware that the faculty of the mathematician is
quite distinct from the higher philosophical sense which recognizes and
combines first principles. The contempt which he expresses for distinctions
of words, the danger of involuntary falsehood, the apology which Socrates
makes for his earnestness of speech, are highly characteristic of the Platonic
style and mode of thought. The quaint notion that if Palamedes was the
inventor of number Agamemnon could not have counted his feet; the art by
which we are made to believe that this State of ours is not a dream only; the
gravity with which the first step is taken in the actual creation of the State,
namely, the sending out of the city all who had arrived at ten years of age,
in order to expedite the business of education by a generation, are also truly
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which he expects the lie about the earthborn men to be believed in the
second generation.)
BOOK VIII. And so we have arrived at the conclusion, that in the perfect
State wives and children are to be in common; and the education and
pursuits of men and women, both in war and peace, are to be common, and
kings are to be philosophers and warriors, and the soldiers of the State are
to live together, having all things in common; and they are to be warrior
athletes, receiving no pay but only their food, from the other citizens. Now
let us return to the point at which we digressed. ‘That is easily done,’ he
replied: ‘You were speaking of the State which you had constructed, and of
the individual who answered to this, both of whom you affirmed to be good;
and you said that of inferior States there were four forms and four
individuals corresponding to them, which although deficient in various
degrees, were all of them worth inspecting with a view to determining the
relative happiness or misery of the best or worst man. Then Polemarchus
and Adeimantus interrupted you, and this led to another argument,—and so
here we are.’ Suppose that we put ourselves again in the same position, and
do you repeat your question. ‘I should like to know of what constitutions
you were speaking?’ Besides the perfect State there are only four of any
note in Hellas:—first, the famous Lacedaemonian or Cretan
commonwealth; secondly, oligarchy, a State full of evils; thirdly,
democracy, which follows next in order; fourthly, tyranny, which is the
disease or death of all government. Now, States are not made of ‘oak and
rock,’ but of flesh and blood; and therefore as there are five States there
must be five human natures in individuals, which correspond to them. And
first, there is the ambitious nature, which answers to the Lacedaemonian
State; secondly, the oligarchical nature; thirdly, the democratical; and
fourthly, the tyrannical. This last will have to be compared with the
perfectly just, which is the fifth, that we may know which is the happier,
and then we shall be able to determine whether the argument of
Thrasymachus or our own is the more convincing. And as before we began
with the State and went on to the individual, so now, beginning with
timocracy, let us go on to the timocratical man, and then proceed to the
other forms of government, and the individuals who answer to them.
But how did timocracy arise out of the perfect State? Plainly, like all
changes of government, from division in the rulers. But whence came
division? ‘Sing, heavenly Muses,’ as Homer says;—let them condescend to

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answer us, as if we were children, to whom they put on a solemn face in
jest. ‘And what will they say?’ They will say that human things are fated to
decay, and even the perfect State will not escape from this law of destiny,
when ‘the wheel comes full circle’ in a period short or long. Plants or
animals have times of fertility and sterility, which the intelligence of rulers
because alloyed by sense will not enable them to ascertain, and children
will be born out of season. For whereas divine creations are in a perfect
cycle or number, the human creation is in a number which declines from
perfection, and has four terms and three intervals of numbers, increasing,
waning, assimilating, dissimilating, and yet perfectly commensurate with
each other. The base of the number with a fourth added (or which is 3:4),
multiplied by five and cubed, gives two harmonies:—the first a square
number, which is a hundred times the base (or a hundred times a hundred);
the second, an oblong, being a hundred squares of the rational diameter of a
figure the side of which is five, subtracting one from each square or two
perfect squares from all, and adding a hundred cubes of three. This entire
number is geometrical and contains the rule or law of generation. When this
law is neglected marriages will be unpropitious; the inferior offspring who
are then born will in time become the rulers; the State will decline, and
education fall into decay; gymnastic will be preferred to music, and the gold
and silver and brass and iron will form a chaotic mass—thus division will
arise. Such is the Muses’ answer to our question. ‘And a true answer, of
course:—but what more have they to say?’ They say that the two races, the
iron and brass, and the silver and gold, will draw the State different ways;—
the one will take to trade and moneymaking, and the others, having the true
riches and not caring for money, will resist them: the contest will end in a
compromise; they will agree to have private property, and will enslave their
fellow-citizens who were once their friends and nurturers. But they will
retain their warlike character, and will be chiefly occupied in fighting and
exercising rule. Thus arises timocracy, which is intermediate between
aristocracy and oligarchy.
The new form of government resembles the ideal in obedience to rulers
and contempt for trade, and having common meals, and in devotion to
warlike and gymnastic exercises. But corruption has crept into philosophy,
and simplicity of character, which was once her note, is now looked for
only in the military class. Arts of war begin to prevail over arts of peace; the
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them an extravagant love of gain—get another man’s and save your own, is
their principle; and they have dark places in which they hoard their gold and
silver, for the use of their women and others; they take their pleasures by
stealth, like boys who are running away from their father—the law; and
their education is not inspired by the Muse, but imposed by the strong arm
of power. The leading characteristic of this State is party spirit and
ambition.
And what manner of man answers to such a State? ‘In love of
contention,’ replied Adeimantus, ‘he will be like our friend Glaucon.’ In that
respect, perhaps, but not in others. He is self-asserting and ill-educated, yet
fond of literature, although not himself a speaker,—fierce with slaves, but
obedient to rulers, a lover of power and honour, which he hopes to gain by
deeds of arms,—fond, too, of gymnastics and of hunting. As he advances in
years he grows avaricious, for he has lost philosophy, which is the only
saviour and guardian of men. His origin is as follows:—His father is a good
man dwelling in an ill-ordered State, who has retired from politics in order
that he may lead a quiet life. His mother is angry at her loss of precedence
among other women; she is disgusted at her husband’s selfishness, and she
expatiates to her son on the unmanliness and indolence of his father. The
old family servant takes up the tale, and says to the youth:—‘When you
grow up you must be more of a man than your father.’ All the world are
agreed that he who minds his own business is an idiot, while a busybody is
highly honoured and esteemed. The young man compares this spirit with his
father’s words and ways, and as he is naturally well disposed, although he
has suffered from evil influences, he rests at a middle point and becomes
ambitious and a lover of honour.
And now let us set another city over against another man. The next form
of government is oligarchy, in which the rule is of the rich only; nor is it
difficult to see how such a State arises. The decline begins with the
possession of gold and silver; illegal modes of expenditure are invented;
one draws another on, and the multitude are infected; riches outweigh
virtue; lovers of money take the place of lovers of honour; misers of
politicians; and, in time, political privileges are confined by law to the rich,
who do not shrink from violence in order to effect their purposes.
Thus much of the origin,—let us next consider the evils of oligarchy.
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he was rich, or refuse a good one because he was poor? And does not the
analogy apply still more to the State? And there are yet greater evils: two
nations are struggling together in one—the rich and the poor; and the rich
dare not put arms into the hands of the poor, and are unwilling to pay for
defenders out of their own money. And have we not already condemned that
State in which the same persons are warriors as well as shopkeepers? The
greatest evil of all is that a man may sell his property and have no place in
the State; while there is one class which has enormous wealth, the other is
entirely destitute. But observe that these destitutes had not really any more
of the governing nature in them when they were rich than now that they are
poor; they were miserable spendthrifts always. They are the drones of the
hive; only whereas the actual drone is unprovided by nature with a sting,
the two-legged things whom we call drones are some of them without stings
and some of them have dreadful stings; in other words, there are paupers
and there are rogues. These are never far apart; and in oligarchical cities,
where nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler, you will find
abundance of both. And this evil state of society originates in bad education
and bad government.
Like State, like man,—the change in the latter begins with the
representative of timocracy; he walks at first in the ways of his father, who
may have been a statesman, or general, perhaps; and presently he sees him
‘fallen from his high estate,’ the victim of informers, dying in prison or
exile, or by the hand of the executioner. The lesson which he thus receives,
makes him cautious; he leaves politics, represses his pride, and saves pence.
Avarice is enthroned as his bosom’s lord, and assumes the style of the Great
King; the rational and spirited elements sit humbly on the ground at either
side, the one immersed in calculation, the other absorbed in the admiration
of wealth. The love of honour turns to love of money; the conversion is
instantaneous. The man is mean, saving, toiling, the slave of one passion
which is the master of the rest: Is he not the very image of the State? He has
had no education, or he would never have allowed the blind god of riches to
lead the dance within him. And being uneducated he will have many slavish
desires, some beggarly, some knavish, breeding in his soul. If he is the
trustee of an orphan, and has the power to defraud, he will soon prove that
he is not without the will, and that his passions are only restrained by fear
and not by reason. Hence he leads a divided existence; in which the better
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distinctions, he is afraid to incur a loss which is to be repaid only by barren
honour; in time of war he fights with a small part of his resources, and
usually keeps his money and loses the victory.
Next comes democracy and the democratic man, out of oligarchy and the
oligarchical man. Insatiable avarice is the ruling passion of an oligarchy;
and they encourage expensive habits in order that they may gain by the ruin
of extravagant youth. Thus men of family often lose their property or rights
of citizenship; but they remain in the city, full of hatred against the new
owners of their estates and ripe for revolution. The usurer with stooping
walk pretends not to see them; he passes by, and leaves his sting—that is,
his money—in some other victim; and many a man has to pay the parent or
principal sum multiplied into a family of children, and is reduced into a
state of dronage by him. The only way of diminishing the evil is either to
limit a man in his use of his property, or to insist that he shall lend at his
own risk. But the ruling class do not want remedies; they care only for
money, and are as careless of virtue as the poorest of the citizens. Now there
are occasions on which the governors and the governed meet together,—at
festivals, on a journey, voyaging or fighting. The sturdy pauper finds that in
the hour of danger he is not despised; he sees the rich man puffing and
panting, and draws the conclusion which he privately imparts to his
companions,—‘that our people are not good for much;’ and as a sickly
frame is made ill by a mere touch from without, or sometimes without
external impulse is ready to fall to pieces of itself, so from the least cause,
or with none at all, the city falls ill and fights a battle for life or death. And
democracy comes into power when the poor are the victors, killing some
and exiling some, and giving equal shares in the government to all the rest.
The manner of life in such a State is that of democrats; there is freedom
and plainness of speech, and every man does what is right in his own eyes,
and has his own way of life. Hence arise the most various developments of
character; the State is like a piece of embroidery of which the colours and
figures are the manners of men, and there are many who, like women and
children, prefer this variety to real beauty and excellence. The State is not
one but many, like a bazaar at which you can buy anything. The great charm
is, that you may do as you like; you may govern if you like, let it alone if
you like; go to war and make peace if you feel disposed, and all quite
irrespective of anybody else. When you condemn men to death they remain
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about the streets like a hero; and nobody sees him or cares for him.
Observe, too, how grandly Democracy sets her foot upon all our fine
theories of education,—how little she cares for the training of her
statesmen! The only qualification which she demands is the profession of
patriotism. Such is democracy;—a pleasing, lawless, various sort of
government, distributing equality to equals and unequals alike.
Let us now inspect the individual democrat; and first, as in the case of the
State, we will trace his antecedents. He is the son of a miserly oligarch, and
has been taught by him to restrain the love of unnecessary pleasures.
Perhaps I ought to explain this latter term:—Necessary pleasures are those
which are good, and which we cannot do without; unnecessary pleasures
are those which do no good, and of which the desire might be eradicated by
early training. For example, the pleasures of eating and drinking are
necessary and healthy, up to a certain point; beyond that point they are alike
hurtful to body and mind, and the excess may be avoided. When in excess,
they may be rightly called expensive pleasures, in opposition to the useful
ones. And the drone, as we called him, is the slave of these unnecessary
pleasures and desires, whereas the miserly oligarch is subject only to the
necessary.
The oligarch changes into the democrat in the following manner:—The
youth who has had a miserly bringing up, gets a taste of the drone’s honey;
he meets with wild companions, who introduce him to every new pleasure.
As in the State, so in the individual, there are allies on both sides,
temptations from without and passions from within; there is reason also and
external influences of parents and friends in alliance with the oligarchical
principle; and the two factions are in violent conflict with one another.
Sometimes the party of order prevails, but then again new desires and new
disorders arise, and the whole mob of passions gets possession of the
Acropolis, that is to say, the soul, which they find void and unguarded by
true words and works. Falsehoods and illusions ascend to take their place;
the prodigal goes back into the country of the Lotophagi or drones, and
openly dwells there. And if any offer of alliance or parley of individual
elders comes from home, the false spirits shut the gates of the castle and
permit no one to enter,—there is a battle, and they gain the victory; and
straightway making alliance with the desires, they banish modesty, which
they call folly, and send temperance over the border. When the house has
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them with garlands, bring them back under new names. Insolence they call
good breeding, anarchy freedom, waste magnificence, impudence courage.
Such is the process by which the youth passes from the necessary pleasures
to the unnecessary. After a while he divides his time impartially between
them; and perhaps, when he gets older and the violence of passion has
abated, he restores some of the exiles and lives in a sort of equilibrium,
indulging first one pleasure and then another; and if reason comes and tells
him that some pleasures are good and honourable, and others bad and vile,
he shakes his head and says that he can make no distinction between them.
Thus he lives in the fancy of the hour; sometimes he takes to drink, and
then he turns abstainer; he practises in the gymnasium or he does nothing at
all; then again he would be a philosopher or a politician; or again, he would
be a warrior or a man of business; he is
‘Every thing by starts and nothing long.’

There remains still the finest and fairest of all men and all States—
tyranny and the tyrant. Tyranny springs from democracy much as
democracy springs from oligarchy. Both arise from excess; the one from
excess of wealth, the other from excess of freedom. ‘The great natural good
of life,’ says the democrat, ‘is freedom.’ And this exclusive love of freedom
and regardlessness of everything else, is the cause of the change from
democracy to tyranny. The State demands the strong wine of freedom, and
unless her rulers give her a plentiful draught, punishes and insults them;
equality and fraternity of governors and governed is the approved principle.
Anarchy is the law, not of the State only, but of private houses, and extends
even to the animals. Father and son, citizen and foreigner, teacher and pupil,
old and young, are all on a level; fathers and teachers fear their sons and
pupils, and the wisdom of the young man is a match for the elder, and the
old imitate the jaunty manners of the young because they are afraid of being
thought morose. Slaves are on a level with their masters and mistresses, and
there is no difference between men and women. Nay, the very animals in a
democratic State have a freedom which is unknown in other places. The
she-dogs are as good as their she-mistresses, and horses and asses march
along with dignity and run their noses against anybody who comes in their
way. ‘That has often been my experience.’ At last the citizens become so
sensitive that they cannot endure the yoke of laws, written or unwritten;
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beginning of things out of which tyranny springs. ‘Glorious, indeed; but
what is to follow?’ The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; for there
is a law of contraries; the excess of freedom passes into the excess of
slavery, and the greater the freedom the greater the slavery. You will
remember that in the oligarchy were found two classes—rogues and
paupers, whom we compared to drones with and without stings. These two
classes are to the State what phlegm and bile are to the human body; and the
State-physician, or legislator, must get rid of them, just as the bee-master
keeps the drones out of the hive. Now in a democracy, too, there are drones,
but they are more numerous and more dangerous than in the oligarchy;
there they are inert and unpractised, here they are full of life and animation;
and the keener sort speak and act, while the others buzz about the bema and
prevent their opponents from being heard. And there is another class in
democratic States, of respectable, thriving individuals, who can be squeezed
when the drones have need of their possessions; there is moreover a third
class, who are the labourers and the artisans, and they make up the mass of
the people. When the people meet, they are omnipotent, but they cannot be
brought together unless they are attracted by a little honey; and the rich are
made to supply the honey, of which the demagogues keep the greater part
themselves, giving a taste only to the mob. Their victims attempt to resist;
they are driven mad by the stings of the drones, and so become downright
oligarchs in self-defence. Then follow informations and convictions for
treason. The people have some protector whom they nurse into greatness,
and from this root the tree of tyranny springs. The nature of the change is
indicated in the old fable of the temple of Zeus Lycaeus, which tells how he
who tastes human flesh mixed up with the flesh of other victims will turn
into a wolf. Even so the protector, who tastes human blood, and slays some
and exiles others with or without law, who hints at abolition of debts and
division of lands, must either perish or become a wolf—that is, a tyrant.
Perhaps he is driven out, but he soon comes back from exile; and then if his
enemies cannot get rid of him by lawful means, they plot his assassination.
Thereupon the friend of the people makes his well-known request to them
for a body-guard, which they readily grant, thinking only of his danger and
not of their own. Now let the rich man make to himself wings, for he will
never run away again if he does not do so then. And the Great Protector,
having crushed all his rivals, stands proudly erect in the chariot of State, a
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In the early days of his tyranny he smiles and beams upon everybody; he
is not a ‘dominus,’ no, not he: he has only come to put an end to debt and
the monopoly of land. Having got rid of foreign enemies, he makes himself
necessary to the State by always going to war. He is thus enabled to depress
the poor by heavy taxes, and so keep them at work; and he can get rid of
bolder spirits by handing them over to the enemy. Then comes
unpopularity; some of his old associates have the courage to oppose him.
The consequence is, that he has to make a purgation of the State; but, unlike
the physician who purges away the bad, he must get rid of the high-spirited,
the wise and the wealthy; for he has no choice between death and a life of
shame and dishonour. And the more hated he is, the more he will require
trusty guards; but how will he obtain them? ‘They will come flocking like
birds—for pay.’ Will he not rather obtain them on the spot? He will take the
slaves from their owners and make them his body-guard; these are his
trusted friends, who admire and look up to him. Are not the tragic poets
wise who magnify and exalt the tyrant, and say that he is wise by
association with the wise? And are not their praises of tyranny alone a
sufficient reason why we should exclude them from our State? They may go
to other cities, and gather the mob about them with fine words, and change
commonwealths into tyrannies and democracies, receiving honours and
rewards for their services; but the higher they and their friends ascend
constitution hill, the more their honour will fail and become ‘too asthmatic
to mount.’ To return to the tyrant—How will he support that rare army of
his? First, by robbing the temples of their treasures, which will enable him
to lighten the taxes; then he will take all his father’s property, and spend it
on his companions, male or female. Now his father is the demus, and if the
demus gets angry, and says that a great hulking son ought not to be a burden
on his parents, and bids him and his riotous crew begone, then will the
parent know what a monster he has been nurturing, and that the son whom
he would fain expel is too strong for him. ‘You do not mean to say that he
will beat his father?’ Yes, he will, after having taken away his arms. ‘Then
he is a parricide and a cruel, unnatural son.’ And the people have jumped
from the fear of slavery into slavery, out of the smoke into the fire. Thus
liberty, when out of all order and reason, passes into the worst form of
servitude...
In the previous books Plato has described the ideal State; now he returns
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end of Book IV. These he describes in a succession of parallels between the
individuals and the States, tracing the origin of either in the State or
individual which has preceded them. He begins by asking the point at which
he digressed; and is thus led shortly to recapitulate the substance of the
three former books, which also contain a parallel of the philosopher and the
State.
Of the first decline he gives no intelligible account; he would not have
liked to admit the most probable causes of the fall of his ideal State, which
to us would appear to be the impracticability of communism or the natural
antagonism of the ruling and subject classes. He throws a veil of mystery
over the origin of the decline, which he attributes to ignorance of the law of
population. Of this law the famous geometrical figure or number is the
expression. Like the ancients in general, he had no idea of the gradual
perfectibility of man or of the education of the human race. His ideal was
not to be attained in the course of ages, but was to spring in full armour
from the head of the legislator. When good laws had been given, he thought
only of the manner in which they were likely to be corrupted, or of how
they might be filled up in detail or restored in accordance with their original
spirit. He appears not to have reflected upon the full meaning of his own
words, ‘In the brief space of human life, nothing great can be
accomplished’; or again, as he afterwards says in the Laws, ‘Infinite time is
the maker of cities.’ The order of constitutions which is adopted by him
represents an order of thought rather than a succession of time, and may be
considered as the first attempt to frame a philosophy of history.
The first of these declining States is timocracy, or the government of
soldiers and lovers of honour, which answers to the Spartan State; this is a
government of force, in which education is not inspired by the Muses, but
imposed by the law, and in which all the finer elements of organization have
disappeared. The philosopher himself has lost the love of truth, and the
soldier, who is of a simpler and honester nature, rules in his stead. The
individual who answers to timocracy has some noticeable qualities. He is
described as ill educated, but, like the Spartan, a lover of literature; and
although he is a harsh master to his servants he has no natural superiority
over them. His character is based upon a reaction against the circumstances
of his father, who in a troubled city has retired from politics; and his
mother, who is dissatisfied at her own position, is always urging him
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origin, and indeed Livy attributes the Licinian laws to a feminine jealousy
of a similar kind. But there is obviously no connection between the manner
in which the timocratic State springs out of the ideal, and the mere accident
by which the timocratic man is the son of a retired statesman.
The two next stages in the decline of constitutions have even less
historical foundation. For there is no trace in Greek history of a polity like
the Spartan or Cretan passing into an oligarchy of wealth, or of the
oligarchy of wealth passing into a democracy. The order of history appears
to be different; first, in the Homeric times there is the royal or patriarchal
form of government, which a century or two later was succeeded by an
oligarchy of birth rather than of wealth, and in which wealth was only the
accident of the hereditary possession of land and power. Sometimes this
oligarchical government gave way to a government based upon a
qualification of property, which, according to Aristotle’s mode of using
words, would have been called a timocracy; and this in some cities, as at
Athens, became the conducting medium to democracy. But such was not the
necessary order of succession in States; nor, indeed, can any order be
discerned in the endless fluctuation of Greek history (like the tides in the
Euripus), except, perhaps, in the almost uniform tendency from monarchy
to aristocracy in the earliest times. At first sight there appears to be a similar
inversion in the last step of the Platonic succession; for tyranny, instead of
being the natural end of democracy, in early Greek history appears rather as
a stage leading to democracy; the reign of Peisistratus and his sons is an
episode which comes between the legislation of Solon and the constitution
of Cleisthenes; and some secret cause common to them all seems to have
led the greater part of Hellas at her first appearance in the dawn of history,
e.g. Athens, Argos, Corinth, Sicyon, and nearly every State with the
exception of Sparta, through a similar stage of tyranny which ended either
in oligarchy or democracy. But then we must remember that Plato is
describing rather the contemporary governments of the Sicilian States,
which alternated between democracy and tyranny, than the ancient history
of Athens or Corinth.
The portrait of the tyrant himself is just such as the later Greek delighted
to draw of Phalaris and Dionysius, in which, as in the lives of mediaeval
saints or mythic heroes, the conduct and actions of one were attributed to
another in order to fill up the outline. There was no enormity which the
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government and law; his assassination was glorious; there was no crime,
however unnatural, which might not with probability be attributed to him.
In this, Plato was only following the common thought of his countrymen,
which he embellished and exaggerated with all the power of his genius.
There is no need to suppose that he drew from life; or that his knowledge of
tyrants is derived from a personal acquaintance with Dionysius. The manner
in which he speaks of them would rather tend to render doubtful his ever
having ‘consorted’ with them, or entertained the schemes, which are
attributed to him in the Epistles, of regenerating Sicily by their help.
Plato in a hyperbolical and serio-comic vein exaggerates the follies of
democracy which he also sees reflected in social life. To him democracy is
a state of individualism or dissolution; in which every one is doing what is
right in his own eyes. Of a people animated by a common spirit of liberty,
rising as one man to repel the Persian host, which is the leading idea of
democracy in Herodotus and Thucydides, he never seems to think. But if he
is not a believer in liberty, still less is he a lover of tyranny. His deeper and
more serious condemnation is reserved for the tyrant, who is the ideal of
wickedness and also of weakness, and who in his utter helplessness and
suspiciousness is leading an almost impossible existence, without that
remnant of good which, in Plato’s opinion, was required to give power to
evil (Book I). This ideal of wickedness living in helpless misery, is the
reverse of that other portrait of perfect injustice ruling in happiness and
splendour, which first of all Thrasymachus, and afterwards the sons of
Ariston had drawn, and is also the reverse of the king whose rule of life is
the good of his subjects.
Each of these governments and individuals has a corresponding ethical
gradation: the ideal State is under the rule of reason, not extinguishing but
harmonizing the passions, and training them in virtue; in the timocracy and
the timocratic man the constitution, whether of the State or of the
individual, is based, first, upon courage, and secondly, upon the love of
honour; this latter virtue, which is hardly to be esteemed a virtue, has
superseded all the rest. In the second stage of decline the virtues have
altogether disappeared, and the love of gain has succeeded to them; in the
third stage, or democracy, the various passions are allowed to have free
play, and the virtues and vices are impartially cultivated. But this freedom,
which leads to many curious extravagances of character, is in reality only a
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possession of the whole nature of man—this is tyranny. In all of them
excess—the excess first of wealth and then of freedom, is the element of
decay.
The eighth book of the Republic abounds in pictures of life and fanciful
allusions; the use of metaphorical language is carried to a greater extent
than anywhere else in Plato. We may remark,
(1), the description of the two nations in one, which become more and
more divided in the Greek Republics, as in feudal times, and perhaps also in
our own;
(2), the notion of democracy expressed in a sort of Pythagorean formula
as equality among unequals;
(3), the free and easy ways of men and animals, which are characteristic
of liberty, as foreign mercenaries and universal mistrust are of the tyrant;
(4), the proposal that mere debts should not be recoverable by law is a
speculation which has often been entertained by reformers of the law in
modern times, and is in harmony with the tendencies of modern legislation.
Debt and land were the two great difficulties of the ancient lawgiver: in
modern times we may be said to have almost, if not quite, solved the first of
these difficulties, but hardly the second.
Still more remarkable are the corresponding portraits of individuals: there
is the family picture of the father and mother and the old servant of the
timocratical man, and the outward respectability and inherent meanness of
the oligarchical; the uncontrolled licence and freedom of the democrat, in
which the young Alcibiades seems to be depicted, doing right or wrong as
he pleases, and who at last, like the prodigal, goes into a far country (note
here the play of language by which the democratic man is himself
represented under the image of a State having a citadel and receiving
embassies); and there is the wild-beast nature, which breaks loose in his
successor. The hit about the tyrant being a parricide; the representation of
the tyrant’s life as an obscene dream; the rhetorical surprise of a more
miserable than the most miserable of men in Book IX; the hint to the poets
that if they are the friends of tyrants there is no place for them in a
constitutional State, and that they are too clever not to see the propriety of
their own expulsion; the continuous image of the drones who are of two
kinds, swelling at last into the monster drone having wings (Book IX),—are
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There remains to be considered the great difficulty of this book of the
Republic, the so-called number of the State. This is a puzzle almost as great
as the Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation, and though
apparently known to Aristotle, is referred to by Cicero as a proverb of
obscurity (Ep. ad Att.). And some have imagined that there is no answer to
the puzzle, and that Plato has been practising upon his readers. But such a
deception as this is inconsistent with the manner in which Aristotle speaks
of the number (Pol.), and would have been ridiculous to any reader of the
Republic who was acquainted with Greek mathematics. As little reason is
there for supposing that Plato intentionally used obscure expressions; the
obscurity arises from our want of familiarity with the subject. On the other
hand, Plato himself indicates that he is not altogether serious, and in
describing his number as a solemn jest of the Muses, he appears to imply
some degree of satire on the symbolical use of number. (Compare Cratylus;
Protag.)
Our hope of understanding the passage depends principally on an
accurate study of the words themselves; on which a faint light is thrown by
the parallel passage in the ninth book. Another help is the allusion in
Aristotle, who makes the important remark that the latter part of the passage
(Greek) describes a solid figure. (Pol.—‘He only says that nothing is
abiding, but that all things change in a certain cycle; and that the origin of
the change is a base of numbers which are in the ratio of 4:3; and this when
combined with a figure of five gives two harmonies; he means when the
number of this figure becomes solid.’) Some further clue may be gathered
from the appearance of the Pythagorean triangle, which is denoted by the
numbers 3, 4, 5, and in which, as in every right-angled triangle, the squares
of the two lesser sides equal the square of the hypotenuse (9 + 16 = 25).
Plato begins by speaking of a perfect or cyclical number (Tim.), i.e. a
number in which the sum of the divisors equals the whole; this is the divine
or perfect number in which all lesser cycles or revolutions are complete. He
also speaks of a human or imperfect number, having four terms and three
intervals of numbers which are related to one another in certain proportions;
these he converts into figures, and finds in them when they have been raised
to the third power certain elements of number, which give two ‘harmonies,’
the one square, the other oblong; but he does not say that the square number
answers to the divine, or the oblong number to the human cycle; nor is any
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world, the second the period of the state, or of the human race as Zeller
supposes; nor is the divine number afterwards mentioned (Arist.). The
second is the number of generations or births, and presides over them in the
same mysterious manner in which the stars preside over them, or in which,
according to the Pythagoreans, opportunity, justice, marriage, are
represented by some number or figure. This is probably the number 216.
The explanation given in the text supposes the two harmonies to make up
the number 8000. This explanation derives a certain plausibility from the
circumstance that 8000 is the ancient number of the Spartan citizens
(Herod.), and would be what Plato might have called ‘a number which
nearly concerns the population of a city’; the mysterious disappearance of
the Spartan population may possibly have suggested to him the first cause
of his decline of States. The lesser or square ‘harmony,’ of 400, might be a
symbol of the guardians,—the larger or oblong ‘harmony,’ of the people,
and the numbers 3, 4, 5 might refer respectively to the three orders in the
State or parts of the soul, the four virtues, the five forms of government.
The harmony of the musical scale, which is elsewhere used as a symbol of
the harmony of the state, is also indicated. For the numbers 3, 4, 5, which
represent the sides of the Pythagorean triangle, also denote the intervals of
the scale.
The terms used in the statement of the problem may be explained as
follows. A perfect number (Greek), as already stated, is one which is equal
to the sum of its divisors. Thus 6, which is the first perfect or cyclical
number, = 1 + 2 + 3. The words (Greek), ‘terms’ or ‘notes,’ and (Greek),
‘intervals,’ are applicable to music as well as to number and figure. (Greek)
is the ‘base’ on which the whole calculation depends, or the ‘lowest term’
from which it can be worked out. The words (Greek) have been variously
translated—‘squared and cubed’ (Donaldson), ‘equalling and equalled in
power’ (Weber), ‘by involution and evolution,’ i.e. by raising the power and
extracting the root (as in the translation). Numbers are called ‘like and
unlike’ (Greek) when the factors or the sides of the planes and cubes which
they represent are or are not in the same ratio: e.g. 8 and 27 = 2 cubed and 3
cubed; and conversely. ‘Waxing’ (Greek) numbers, called also ‘increasing’
(Greek), are those which are exceeded by the sum of their divisors: e.g. 12
and 18 are less than 16 and 21. ‘Waning’ (Greek) numbers, called also
‘decreasing’ (Greek) are those which succeed the sum of their divisors: e.g.
8 and 27 exceed 7 and 13. The words translated ‘commensurable and

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agreeable to one another’ (Greek) seem to be different ways of describing
the same relation, with more or less precision. They are equivalent to
‘expressible in terms having the same relation to one another,’ like the
series 8, 12, 18, 27, each of which numbers is in the relation of (1 and 1/2)
to the preceding. The ‘base,’ or ‘fundamental number, which has 1/3 added
to it’ (1 and 1/3) = 4/3 or a musical fourth. (Greek) is a ‘proportion’ of
numbers as of musical notes, applied either to the parts or factors of a single
number or to the relation of one number to another. The first harmony is a
‘square’ number (Greek); the second harmony is an ‘oblong’ number
(Greek), i.e. a number representing a figure of which the opposite sides only
are equal. (Greek) = ‘numbers squared from’ or ‘upon diameters’; (Greek) =
‘rational,’ i.e. omitting fractions, (Greek), ‘irrational,’ i.e. including
fractions; e.g. 49 is a square of the rational diameter of a figure the side of
which = 5: 50, of an irrational diameter of the same. For several of the
explanations here given and for a good deal besides I am indebted to an
excellent article on the Platonic Number by Dr. Donaldson (Proc. of the
Philol. Society).
The conclusions which he draws from these data are summed up by him
as follows. Having assumed that the number of the perfect or divine cycle is
the number of the world, and the number of the imperfect cycle the number
of the state, he proceeds: ‘The period of the world is defined by the perfect
number 6, that of the state by the cube of that number or 216, which is the
product of the last pair of terms in the Platonic Tetractys (a series of seven
terms, 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 8, 27); and if we take this as the basis of our
computation, we shall have two cube numbers (Greek), viz. 8 and 27; and
the mean proportionals between these, viz. 12 and 18, will furnish three
intervals and four terms, and these terms and intervals stand related to one
another in the sesqui-altera ratio, i.e. each term is to the preceding as 3/2.
Now if we remember that the number 216 = 8 x 27 = 3 cubed + 4 cubed + 5
cubed, and 3 squared + 4 squared = 5 squared, we must admit that this
number implies the numbers 3, 4, 5, to which musicians attach so much
importance. And if we combine the ratio 4/3 with the number 5, or multiply
the ratios of the sides by the hypotenuse, we shall by first squaring and then
cubing obtain two expressions, which denote the ratio of the two last pairs
of terms in the Platonic Tetractys, the former multiplied by the square, the
latter by the cube of the number 10, the sum of the first four digits which
constitute the Platonic Tetractys.’ The two (Greek) he elsewhere explains as

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follows: ‘The first (Greek) is (Greek), in other words (4/3 x 5) all squared =
100 x 2 squared over 3 squared. The second (Greek), a cube of the same
root, is described as 100 multiplied (alpha) by the rational diameter of 5
diminished by unity, i.e., as shown above, 48: (beta) by two
incommensurable diameters, i.e. the two first irrationals, or 2 and 3: and
(gamma) by the cube of 3, or 27. Thus we have (48 + 5 + 27) 100 = 1000 x
2 cubed. This second harmony is to be the cube of the number of which the
former harmony is the square, and therefore must be divided by the cube of
3. In other words, the whole expression will be: (1), for the first harmony,
400/9: (2), for the second harmony, 8000/27.’
The reasons which have inclined me to agree with Dr. Donaldson and
also with Schleiermacher in supposing that 216 is the Platonic number of
births are: (1) that it coincides with the description of the number given in
the first part of the passage (Greek...): (2) that the number 216 with its
permutations would have been familiar to a Greek mathematician, though
unfamiliar to us: (3) that 216 is the cube of 6, and also the sum of 3 cubed,
4 cubed, 5 cubed, the numbers 3, 4, 5 representing the Pythagorean triangle,
of which the sides when squared equal the square of the hypotenuse (9 + 16
= 25): (4) that it is also the period of the Pythagorean Metempsychosis: (5)
the three ultimate terms or bases (3, 4, 5) of which 216 is composed answer
to the third, fourth, fifth in the musical scale: (6) that the number 216 is the
product of the cubes of 2 and 3, which are the two last terms in the Platonic
Tetractys: (7) that the Pythagorean triangle is said by Plutarch (de Is. et
Osir.), Proclus (super prima Eucl.), and Quintilian (de Musica) to be
contained in this passage, so that the tradition of the school seems to point
in the same direction: (8) that the Pythagorean triangle is called also the
figure of marriage (Greek).
But though agreeing with Dr. Donaldson thus far, I see no reason for
supposing, as he does, that the first or perfect number is the world, the
human or imperfect number the state; nor has he given any proof that the
second harmony is a cube. Nor do I think that (Greek) can mean ‘two
incommensurables,’ which he arbitrarily assumes to be 2 and 3, but rather,
as the preceding clause implies, (Greek), i.e. two square numbers based
upon irrational diameters of a figure the side of which is 5 = 50 x 2.
The greatest objection to the translation is the sense given to the words
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somewhat forced manner Plato introduces once more the numbers of the
Pythagorean triangle. But the coincidences in the numbers which follow are
in favour of the explanation. The first harmony of 400, as has been already
remarked, probably represents the rulers; the second and oblong harmony of
7600, the people.
And here we take leave of the difficulty. The discovery of the riddle
would be useless, and would throw no light on ancient mathematics. The
point of interest is that Plato should have used such a symbol, and that so
much of the Pythagorean spirit should have prevailed in him. His general
meaning is that divine creation is perfect, and is represented or presided
over by a perfect or cyclical number; human generation is imperfect, and
represented or presided over by an imperfect number or series of numbers.
The number 5040, which is the number of the citizens in the Laws, is
expressly based by him on utilitarian grounds, namely, the convenience of
the number for division; it is also made up of the first seven digits
multiplied by one another. The contrast of the perfect and imperfect number
may have been easily suggested by the corrections of the cycle, which were
made first by Meton and secondly by Callippus; (the latter is said to have
been a pupil of Plato). Of the degree of importance or of exactness to be
attributed to the problem, the number of the tyrant in Book IX (729 = 365 x
2), and the slight correction of the error in the number 5040/12 (Laws), may
furnish a criterion. There is nothing surprising in the circumstance that
those who were seeking for order in nature and had found order in number,
should have imagined one to give law to the other. Plato believes in a power
of number far beyond what he could see realized in the world around him,
and he knows the great influence which ‘the little matter of 1, 2, 3’
exercises upon education. He may even be thought to have a prophetic
anticipation of the discoveries of Quetelet and others, that numbers depend
upon numbers; e.g.—in population, the numbers of births and the respective
numbers of children born of either sex, on the respective ages of parents,
i.e. on other numbers.
BOOK IX. Last of all comes the tyrannical man, about whom we have to
enquire, Whence is he, and how does he live—in happiness or in misery?
There is, however, a previous question of the nature and number of the
appetites, which I should like to consider first. Some of them are unlawful,
and yet admit of being chastened and weakened in various degrees by the
power of reason and law. ‘What appetites do you mean?’ I mean those

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which are awake when the reasoning powers are asleep, which get up and
walk about naked without any self-respect or shame; and there is no
conceivable folly or crime, however cruel or unnatural, of which, in
imagination, they may not be guilty. ‘True,’ he said; ‘very true.’ But when a
man’s pulse beats temperately; and he has supped on a feast of reason and
come to a knowledge of himself before going to rest, and has satisfied his
desires just enough to prevent their perturbing his reason, which remains
clear and luminous, and when he is free from quarrel and heat,—the visions
which he has on his bed are least irregular and abnormal. Even in good men
there is such an irregular wild-beast nature, which peers out in sleep.
To return:—You remember what was said of the democrat; that he was
the son of a miserly father, who encouraged the saving desires and
repressed the ornamental and expensive ones; presently the youth got into
fine company, and began to entertain a dislike to his father’s narrow ways;
and being a better man than the corrupters of his youth, he came to a mean,
and led a life, not of lawless or slavish passion, but of regular and
successive indulgence. Now imagine that the youth has become a father,
and has a son who is exposed to the same temptations, and has companions
who lead him into every sort of iniquity, and parents and friends who try to
keep him right. The counsellors of evil find that their only chance of
retaining him is to implant in his soul a monster drone, or love; while other
desires buzz around him and mystify him with sweet sounds and scents, this
monster love takes possession of him, and puts an end to every true or
modest thought or wish. Love, like drunkenness and madness, is a tyranny;
and the tyrannical man, whether made by nature or habit, is just a drinking,
lusting, furious sort of animal.
And how does such an one live? ‘Nay, that you must tell me.’ Well then, I
fancy that he will live amid revelries and harlotries, and love will be the
lord and master of the house. Many desires require much money, and so he
spends all that he has and borrows more; and when he has nothing the
young ravens are still in the nest in which they were hatched, crying for
food. Love urges them on; and they must be gratified by force or fraud, or if
not, they become painful and troublesome; and as the new pleasures
succeed the old ones, so will the son take possession of the goods of his
parents; if they show signs of refusing, he will defraud and deceive them;
and if they openly resist, what then? ‘I can only say, that I should not much
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new-fangled and unnecessary love he will give up his old father and mother,
best and dearest of friends, or enslave them to the fancies of the hour! Truly
a tyrannical son is a blessing to his father and mother! When there is no
more to be got out of them, he turns burglar or pickpocket, or robs a temple.
Love overmasters the thoughts of his youth, and he becomes in sober reality
the monster that he was sometimes in sleep. He waxes strong in all violence
and lawlessness; and is ready for any deed of daring that will supply the
wants of his rabble-rout. In a well-ordered State there are only a few such,
and these in time of war go out and become the mercenaries of a tyrant. But
in time of peace they stay at home and do mischief; they are the thieves,
footpads, cut-purses, man-stealers of the community; or if they are able to
speak, they turn false-witnesses and informers. ‘No small catalogue of
crimes truly, even if the perpetrators are few.’ Yes, I said; but small and
great are relative terms, and no crimes which are committed by them
approach those of the tyrant, whom this class, growing strong and
numerous, create out of themselves. If the people yield, well and good, but,
if they resist, then, as before he beat his father and mother, so now he beats
his fatherland and motherland, and places his mercenaries over them. Such
men in their early days live with flatterers, and they themselves flatter
others, in order to gain their ends; but they soon discard their followers
when they have no longer any need of them; they are always either masters
or servants,—the joys of friendship are unknown to them. And they are
utterly treacherous and unjust, if the nature of justice be at all understood by
us. They realize our dream; and he who is the most of a tyrant by nature,
and leads the life of a tyrant for the longest time, will be the worst of them,
and being the worst of them, will also be the most miserable.
Like man, like State,—the tyrannical man will answer to tyranny, which
is the extreme opposite of the royal State; for one is the best and the other
the worst. But which is the happier? Great and terrible as the tyrant may
appear enthroned amid his satellites, let us not be afraid to go in and ask;
and the answer is, that the monarchical is the happiest, and the tyrannical
the most miserable of States. And may we not ask the same question about
the men themselves, requesting some one to look into them who is able to
penetrate the inner nature of man, and will not be panic-struck by the vain
pomp of tyranny? I will suppose that he is one who has lived with him, and
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Assuming that we ourselves are the impartial judge for whom we seek,
let us begin by comparing the individual and State, and ask first of all,
whether the State is likely to be free or enslaved—Will there not be a little
freedom and a great deal of slavery? And the freedom is of the bad, and the
slavery of the good; and this applies to the man as well as to the State; for
his soul is full of meanness and slavery, and the better part is enslaved to
the worse. He cannot do what he would, and his mind is full of confusion;
he is the very reverse of a freeman. The State will be poor and full of
misery and sorrow; and the man’s soul will also be poor and full of sorrows,
and he will be the most miserable of men. No, not the most miserable, for
there is yet a more miserable. ‘Who is that?’ The tyrannical man who has
the misfortune also to become a public tyrant. ‘There I suspect that you are
right.’ Say rather, ‘I am sure;’ conjecture is out of place in an enquiry of this
nature. He is like a wealthy owner of slaves, only he has more of them than
any private individual. You will say, ‘The owners of slaves are not generally
in any fear of them.’ But why? Because the whole city is in a league which
protects the individual. Suppose however that one of these owners and his
household is carried off by a god into a wilderness, where there are no
freemen to help him—will he not be in an agony of terror?—will he not be
compelled to flatter his slaves and to promise them many things sore
against his will? And suppose the same god who carried him off were to
surround him with neighbours who declare that no man ought to have
slaves, and that the owners of them should be punished with death. ‘Still
worse and worse! He will be in the midst of his enemies.’ And is not our
tyrant such a captive soul, who is tormented by a swarm of passions which
he cannot indulge; living indoors always like a woman, and jealous of those
who can go out and see the world?
Having so many evils, will not the most miserable of men be still more
miserable in a public station? Master of others when he is not master of
himself; like a sick man who is compelled to be an athlete; the meanest of
slaves and the most abject of flatterers; wanting all things, and never able to
satisfy his desires; always in fear and distraction, like the State of which he
is the representative. His jealous, hateful, faithless temper grows worse with
command; he is more and more faithless, envious, unrighteous,—the most
wretched of men, a misery to himself and to others. And so let us have a
final trial and proclamation; need we hire a herald, or shall I proclaim the
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opinion that the best and justest of men is also the happiest, and that this is
he who is the most royal master of himself; and that the unjust man is he
who is the greatest tyrant of himself and of his State. And I add further
—‘seen or unseen by gods or men.’
This is our first proof. The second is derived from the three kinds of
pleasure, which answer to the three elements of the soul—reason, passion,
desire; under which last is comprehended avarice as well as sensual
appetite, while passion includes ambition, party-feeling, love of reputation.
Reason, again, is solely directed to the attainment of truth, and careless of
money and reputation. In accordance with the difference of men’s natures,
one of these three principles is in the ascendant, and they have their several
pleasures corresponding to them. Interrogate now the three natures, and
each one will be found praising his own pleasures and depreciating those of
others. The money-maker will contrast the vanity of knowledge with the
solid advantages of wealth. The ambitious man will despise knowledge
which brings no honour; whereas the philosopher will regard only the
fruition of truth, and will call other pleasures necessary rather than good.
Now, how shall we decide between them? Is there any better criterion than
experience and knowledge? And which of the three has the truest
knowledge and the widest experience? The experience of youth makes the
philosopher acquainted with the two kinds of desire, but the avaricious and
the ambitious man never taste the pleasures of truth and wisdom. Honour he
has equally with them; they are ‘judged of him,’ but he is ‘not judged of
them,’ for they never attain to the knowledge of true being. And his
instrument is reason, whereas their standard is only wealth and honour; and
if by reason we are to judge, his good will be the truest. And so we arrive at
the result that the pleasure of the rational part of the soul, and a life passed
in such pleasure is the pleasantest. He who has a right to judge judges thus.
Next comes the life of ambition, and, in the third place, that of money-
making.
Twice has the just man overthrown the unjust—once more, as in an
Olympian contest, first offering up a prayer to the saviour Zeus, let him try
a fall. A wise man whispers to me that the pleasures of the wise are true and
pure; all others are a shadow only. Let us examine this: Is not pleasure
opposed to pain, and is there not a mean state which is neither? When a man
is sick, nothing is more pleasant to him than health. But this he never found
out while he was well. In pain he desires only to cease from pain; on the

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other hand, when he is in an ecstasy of pleasure, rest is painful to him. Thus
rest or cessation is both pleasure and pain. But can that which is neither
become both? Again, pleasure and pain are motions, and the absence of
them is rest; but if so, how can the absence of either of them be the other?
Thus we are led to infer that the contradiction is an appearance only, and
witchery of the senses. And these are not the only pleasures, for there are
others which have no preceding pains. Pure pleasure then is not the absence
of pain, nor pure pain the absence of pleasure; although most of the
pleasures which reach the mind through the body are reliefs of pain, and
have not only their reactions when they depart, but their anticipations
before they come. They can be best described in a simile. There is in nature
an upper, lower, and middle region, and he who passes from the lower to
the middle imagines that he is going up and is already in the upper world;
and if he were taken back again would think, and truly think, that he was
descending. All this arises out of his ignorance of the true upper, middle,
and lower regions. And a like confusion happens with pleasure and pain,
and with many other things. The man who compares grey with black, calls
grey white; and the man who compares absence of pain with pain, calls the
absence of pain pleasure. Again, hunger and thirst are inanitions of the
body, ignorance and folly of the soul; and food is the satisfaction of the one,
knowledge of the other. Now which is the purer satisfaction—that of eating
and drinking, or that of knowledge? Consider the matter thus: The
satisfaction of that which has more existence is truer than of that which has
less. The invariable and immortal has a more real existence than the
variable and mortal, and has a corresponding measure of knowledge and
truth. The soul, again, has more existence and truth and knowledge than the
body, and is therefore more really satisfied and has a more natural pleasure.
Those who feast only on earthly food, are always going at random up to the
middle and down again; but they never pass into the true upper world, or
have a taste of true pleasure. They are like fatted beasts, full of gluttony and
sensuality, and ready to kill one another by reason of their insatiable lust;
for they are not filled with true being, and their vessel is leaky (Gorgias).
Their pleasures are mere shadows of pleasure, mixed with pain, coloured
and intensified by contrast, and therefore intensely desired; and men go
fighting about them, as Stesichorus says that the Greeks fought about the
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The same may be said of the passionate element:—the desires of the
ambitious soul, as well as of the covetous, have an inferior satisfaction.
Only when under the guidance of reason do either of the other principles do
their own business or attain the pleasure which is natural to them. When not
attaining, they compel the other parts of the soul to pursue a shadow of
pleasure which is not theirs. And the more distant they are from philosophy
and reason, the more distant they will be from law and order, and the more
illusive will be their pleasures. The desires of love and tyranny are the
farthest from law, and those of the king are nearest to it. There is one
genuine pleasure, and two spurious ones: the tyrant goes beyond even the
latter; he has run away altogether from law and reason. Nor can the measure
of his inferiority be told, except in a figure. The tyrant is the third removed
from the oligarch, and has therefore, not a shadow of his pleasure, but the
shadow of a shadow only. The oligarch, again, is thrice removed from the
king, and thus we get the formula 3 x 3, which is the number of a surface,
representing the shadow which is the tyrant’s pleasure, and if you like to
cube this ‘number of the beast,’ you will find that the measure of the
difference amounts to 729; the king is 729 times more happy than the
tyrant. And this extraordinary number is NEARLY equal to the number of
days and nights in a year (365 x 2 = 730); and is therefore concerned with
human life. This is the interval between a good and bad man in happiness
only: what must be the difference between them in comeliness of life and
virtue!
Perhaps you may remember some one saying at the beginning of our
discussion that the unjust man was profited if he had the reputation of
justice. Now that we know the nature of justice and injustice, let us make an
image of the soul, which will personify his words. First of all, fashion a
multitudinous beast, having a ring of heads of all manner of animals, tame
and wild, and able to produce and change them at pleasure. Suppose now
another form of a lion, and another of a man; the second smaller than the
first, the third than the second; join them together and cover them with a
human skin, in which they are completely concealed. When this has been
done, let us tell the supporter of injustice that he is feeding up the beasts
and starving the man. The maintainer of justice, on the other hand, is trying
to strengthen the man; he is nourishing the gentle principle within him, and
making an alliance with the lion heart, in order that he may be able to keep
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with themselves. Thus in every point of view, whether in relation to
pleasure, honour, or advantage, the just man is right, and the unjust wrong.
But now, let us reason with the unjust, who is not intentionally in error. Is
not the noble that which subjects the beast to the man, or rather to the God
in man; the ignoble, that which subjects the man to the beast? And if so,
who would receive gold on condition that he was to degrade the noblest part
of himself under the worst?—who would sell his son or daughter into the
hands of brutal and evil men, for any amount of money? And will he sell his
own fairer and diviner part without any compunction to the most godless
and foul? Would he not be worse than Eriphyle, who sold her husband’s life
for a necklace? And intemperance is the letting loose of the multiform
monster, and pride and sullenness are the growth and increase of the lion
and serpent element, while luxury and effeminacy are caused by a too great
relaxation of spirit. Flattery and meanness again arise when the spirited
element is subjected to avarice, and the lion is habituated to become a
monkey. The real disgrace of handicraft arts is, that those who are engaged
in them have to flatter, instead of mastering their desires; therefore we say
that they should be placed under the control of the better principle in
another because they have none in themselves; not, as Thrasymachus
imagined, to the injury of the subjects, but for their good. And our intention
in educating the young, is to give them self-control; the law desires to nurse
up in them a higher principle, and when they have acquired this, they may
go their ways.
‘What, then, shall a man profit, if he gain the whole world’ and become
more and more wicked? Or what shall he profit by escaping discovery, if
the concealment of evil prevents the cure? If he had been punished, the
brute within him would have been silenced, and the gentler element
liberated; and he would have united temperance, justice, and wisdom in his
soul—a union better far than any combination of bodily gifts. The man of
understanding will honour knowledge above all; in the next place he will
keep under his body, not only for the sake of health and strength, but in
order to attain the most perfect harmony of body and soul. In the acquisition
of riches, too, he will aim at order and harmony; he will not desire to heap
up wealth without measure, but he will fear that the increase of wealth will
disturb the constitution of his own soul. For the same reason he will only
accept such honours as will make him a better man; any others he will
decline. ‘In that case,’ said he, ‘he will never be a politician.’ Yes, but he

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will, in his own city; though probably not in his native country, unless by
some divine accident. ‘You mean that he will be a citizen of the ideal city,
which has no place upon earth.’ But in heaven, I replied, there is a pattern of
such a city, and he who wishes may order his life after that image. Whether
such a state is or ever will be matters not; he will act according to that
pattern and no other...
The most noticeable points in the 9th Book of the Republic are:—(1) the
account of pleasure; (2) the number of the interval which divides the king
from the tyrant; (3) the pattern which is in heaven.
1. Plato’s account of pleasure is remarkable for moderation, and in this
respect contrasts with the later Platonists and the views which are attributed
to them by Aristotle. He is not, like the Cynics, opposed to all pleasure, but
rather desires that the several parts of the soul shall have their natural
satisfaction; he even agrees with the Epicureans in describing pleasure as
something more than the absence of pain. This is proved by the
circumstance that there are pleasures which have no antecedent pains (as he
also remarks in the Philebus), such as the pleasures of smell, and also the
pleasures of hope and anticipation. In the previous book he had made the
distinction between necessary and unnecessary pleasure, which is repeated
by Aristotle, and he now observes that there are a further class of ‘wild
beast’ pleasures, corresponding to Aristotle’s (Greek). He dwells upon the
relative and unreal character of sensual pleasures and the illusion which
arises out of the contrast of pleasure and pain, pointing out the superiority
of the pleasures of reason, which are at rest, over the fleeting pleasures of
sense and emotion. The pre-eminence of royal pleasure is shown by the fact
that reason is able to form a judgment of the lower pleasures, while the two
lower parts of the soul are incapable of judging the pleasures of reason.
Thus, in his treatment of pleasure, as in many other subjects, the philosophy
of Plato is ‘sawn up into quantities’ by Aristotle; the analysis which was
originally made by him became in the next generation the foundation of
further technical distinctions. Both in Plato and Aristotle we note the
illusion under which the ancients fell of regarding the transience of pleasure
as a proof of its unreality, and of confounding the permanence of the
intellectual pleasures with the unchangeableness of the knowledge from
which they are derived. Neither do we like to admit that the pleasures of
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pleasures, and are almost equally dependent on the accidents of our bodily
state (Introduction to Philebus).
2. The number of the interval which separates the king from the tyrant,
and royal from tyrannical pleasures, is 729, the cube of 9. Which Plato
characteristically designates as a number concerned with human life,
because NEARLY equivalent to the number of days and nights in the year.
He is desirous of proclaiming that the interval between them is
immeasurable, and invents a formula to give expression to his idea. Those
who spoke of justice as a cube, of virtue as an art of measuring (Prot.), saw
no inappropriateness in conceiving the soul under the figure of a line, or the
pleasure of the tyrant as separated from the pleasure of the king by the
numerical interval of 729. And in modern times we sometimes use
metaphorically what Plato employed as a philosophical formula. ‘It is not
easy to estimate the loss of the tyrant, except perhaps in this way,’ says
Plato. So we might say, that although the life of a good man is not to be
compared to that of a bad man, yet you may measure the difference between
them by valuing one minute of the one at an hour of the other (‘One day in
thy courts is better than a thousand’), or you might say that ‘there is an
infinite difference.’ But this is not so much as saying, in homely phrase,
‘They are a thousand miles asunder.’ And accordingly Plato finds the
natural vehicle of his thoughts in a progression of numbers; this arithmetical
formula he draws out with the utmost seriousness, and both here and in the
number of generation seems to find an additional proof of the truth of his
speculation in forming the number into a geometrical figure; just as persons
in our own day are apt to fancy that a statement is verified when it has been
only thrown into an abstract form. In speaking of the number 729 as proper
to human life, he probably intended to intimate that one year of the
tyrannical = 12 hours of the royal life.
The simple observation that the comparison of two similar solids is
effected by the comparison of the cubes of their sides, is the mathematical
groundwork of this fanciful expression. There is some difficulty in
explaining the steps by which the number 729 is obtained; the oligarch is
removed in the third degree from the royal and aristocratical, and the tyrant
in the third degree from the oligarchical; but we have to arrange the terms
as the sides of a square and to count the oligarch twice over, thus reckoning
them not as = 5 but as = 9. The square of 9 is passed lightly over as only a
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3. Towards the close of the Republic, Plato seems to be more and more
convinced of the ideal character of his own speculations. At the end of the
9th Book the pattern which is in heaven takes the place of the city of
philosophers on earth. The vision which has received form and substance at
his hands, is now discovered to be at a distance. And yet this distant
kingdom is also the rule of man’s life. (‘Say not lo! here, or lo! there, for the
kingdom of God is within you.’) Thus a note is struck which prepares for
the revelation of a future life in the following Book. But the future life is
present still; the ideal of politics is to be realized in the individual.
BOOK X. Many things pleased me in the order of our State, but there
was nothing which I liked better than the regulation about poetry. The
division of the soul throws a new light on our exclusion of imitation. I do
not mind telling you in confidence that all poetry is an outrage on the
understanding, unless the hearers have that balm of knowledge which heals
error. I have loved Homer ever since I was a boy, and even now he appears
to me to be the great master of tragic poetry. But much as I love the man, I
love truth more, and therefore I must speak out: and first of all, will you
explain what is imitation, for really I do not understand? ‘How likely then
that I should understand!’ That might very well be, for the duller often sees
better than the keener eye. ‘True, but in your presence I can hardly venture
to say what I think.’ Then suppose that we begin in our old fashion, with the
doctrine of universals. Let us assume the existence of beds and tables. There
is one idea of a bed, or of a table, which the maker of each had in his mind
when making them; he did not make the ideas of beds and tables, but he
made beds and tables according to the ideas. And is there not a maker of the
works of all workmen, who makes not only vessels but plants and animals,
himself, the earth and heaven, and things in heaven and under the earth? He
makes the Gods also. ‘He must be a wizard indeed!’ But do you not see that
there is a sense in which you could do the same? You have only to take a
mirror, and catch the reflection of the sun, and the earth, or anything else—
there now you have made them. ‘Yes, but only in appearance.’ Exactly so;
and the painter is such a creator as you are with the mirror, and he is even
more unreal than the carpenter; although neither the carpenter nor any other
artist can be supposed to make the absolute bed. ‘Not if philosophers may
be believed.’ Nor need we wonder that his bed has but an imperfect relation
to the truth. Reflect:—Here are three beds; one in nature, which is made by
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God only made one, nor could he have made more than one; for if there had
been two, there would always have been a third—more absolute and
abstract than either, under which they would have been included. We may
therefore conceive God to be the natural maker of the bed, and in a lower
sense the carpenter is also the maker; but the painter is rather the imitator of
what the other two make; he has to do with a creation which is thrice
removed from reality. And the tragic poet is an imitator, and, like every
other imitator, is thrice removed from the king and from the truth. The
painter imitates not the original bed, but the bed made by the carpenter. And
this, without being really different, appears to be different, and has many
points of view, of which only one is caught by the painter, who represents
everything because he represents a piece of everything, and that piece an
image. And he can paint any other artist, although he knows nothing of their
arts; and this with sufficient skill to deceive children or simple people.
Suppose now that somebody came to us and told us, how he had met a man
who knew all that everybody knows, and better than anybody:—should we
not infer him to be a simpleton who, having no discernment of truth and
falsehood, had met with a wizard or enchanter, whom he fancied to be all-
wise? And when we hear persons saying that Homer and the tragedians
know all the arts and all the virtues, must we not infer that they are under a
similar delusion? they do not see that the poets are imitators, and that their
creations are only imitations. ‘Very true.’ But if a person could create as
well as imitate, he would rather leave some permanent work and not an
imitation only; he would rather be the receiver than the giver of praise?
‘Yes, for then he would have more honour and advantage.’
Let us now interrogate Homer and the poets. Friend Homer, say I to him,
I am not going to ask you about medicine, or any art to which your poems
incidentally refer, but about their main subjects—war, military tactics,
politics. If you are only twice and not thrice removed from the truth—not
an imitator or an image-maker, please to inform us what good you have
ever done to mankind? Is there any city which professes to have received
laws from you, as Sicily and Italy have from Charondas, Sparta from
Lycurgus, Athens from Solon? Or was any war ever carried on by your
counsels? or is any invention attributed to you, as there is to Thales and
Anacharsis? Or is there any Homeric way of life, such as the Pythagorean
was, in which you instructed men, and which is called after you? ‘No,
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breeding than he was in his name, if, as tradition says, Homer in his lifetime
was allowed by him and his other friends to starve.’ Yes, but could this ever
have happened if Homer had really been the educator of Hellas? Would he
not have had many devoted followers? If Protagoras and Prodicus can
persuade their contemporaries that no one can manage house or State
without them, is it likely that Homer and Hesiod would have been allowed
to go about as beggars—I mean if they had really been able to do the world
any good?—would not men have compelled them to stay where they were,
or have followed them about in order to get education? But they did not;
and therefore we may infer that Homer and all the poets are only imitators,
who do but imitate the appearances of things. For as a painter by a
knowledge of figure and colour can paint a cobbler without any practice in
cobbling, so the poet can delineate any art in the colours of language, and
give harmony and rhythm to the cobbler and also to the general; and you
know how mere narration, when deprived of the ornaments of metre, is like
a face which has lost the beauty of youth and never had any other. Once
more, the imitator has no knowledge of reality, but only of appearance. The
painter paints, and the artificer makes a bridle and reins, but neither
understands the use of them—the knowledge of this is confined to the
horseman; and so of other things. Thus we have three arts: one of use,
another of invention, a third of imitation; and the user furnishes the rule to
the two others. The flute-player will know the good and bad flute, and the
maker will put faith in him; but the imitator will neither know nor have
faith—neither science nor true opinion can be ascribed to him. Imitation,
then, is devoid of knowledge, being only a kind of play or sport, and the
tragic and epic poets are imitators in the highest degree.
And now let us enquire, what is the faculty in man which answers to
imitation. Allow me to explain my meaning: Objects are differently seen
when in the water and when out of the water, when near and when at a
distance; and the painter or juggler makes use of this variation to impose
upon us. And the art of measuring and weighing and calculating comes in to
save our bewildered minds from the power of appearance; for, as we were
saying, two contrary opinions of the same about the same and at the same
time, cannot both of them be true. But which of them is true is determined
by the art of calculation; and this is allied to the better faculty in the soul, as
the arts of imitation are to the worse. And the same holds of the ear as well
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voluntary or involuntary, in which there is an expectation of a good or bad
result, and present experience of pleasure and pain. But is a man in
harmony with himself when he is the subject of these conflicting
influences? Is there not rather a contradiction in him? Let me further ask,
whether he is more likely to control sorrow when he is alone or when he is
in company. ‘In the latter case.’ Feeling would lead him to indulge his
sorrow, but reason and law control him and enjoin patience; since he cannot
know whether his affliction is good or evil, and no human thing is of any
great consequence, while sorrow is certainly a hindrance to good counsel.
For when we stumble, we should not, like children, make an uproar; we
should take the measures which reason prescribes, not raising a lament, but
finding a cure. And the better part of us is ready to follow reason, while the
irrational principle is full of sorrow and distraction at the recollection of our
troubles. Unfortunately, however, this latter furnishes the chief materials of
the imitative arts. Whereas reason is ever in repose and cannot easily be
displayed, especially to a mixed multitude who have no experience of her.
Thus the poet is like the painter in two ways: first he paints an inferior
degree of truth, and secondly, he is concerned with an inferior part of the
soul. He indulges the feelings, while he enfeebles the reason; and we refuse
to allow him to have authority over the mind of man; for he has no measure
of greater and less, and is a maker of images and very far gone from truth.
But we have not yet mentioned the heaviest count in the indictment—the
power which poetry has of injuriously exciting the feelings. When we hear
some passage in which a hero laments his sufferings at tedious length, you
know that we sympathize with him and praise the poet; and yet in our own
sorrows such an exhibition of feeling is regarded as effeminate and
unmanly (Ion). Now, ought a man to feel pleasure in seeing another do what
he hates and abominates in himself? Is he not giving way to a sentiment
which in his own case he would control?—he is off his guard because the
sorrow is another’s; and he thinks that he may indulge his feelings without
disgrace, and will be the gainer by the pleasure. But the inevitable
consequence is that he who begins by weeping at the sorrows of others, will
end by weeping at his own. The same is true of comedy,—you may often
laugh at buffoonery which you would be ashamed to utter, and the love of
coarse merriment on the stage will at last turn you into a buffoon at home.
Poetry feeds and waters the passions and desires; she lets them rule instead
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affirming that he is the educator of Hellas, and that all life should be
regulated by his precepts, we may allow the excellence of their intentions,
and agree with them in thinking Homer a great poet and tragedian. But we
shall continue to prohibit all poetry which goes beyond hymns to the Gods
and praises of famous men. Not pleasure and pain, but law and reason shall
rule in our State.
These are our grounds for expelling poetry; but lest she should charge us
with discourtesy, let us also make an apology to her. We will remind her
that there is an ancient quarrel between poetry and philosophy, of which
there are many traces in the writings of the poets, such as the saying of ‘the
she-dog, yelping at her mistress,’ and ‘the philosophers who are ready to
circumvent Zeus,’ and ‘the philosophers who are paupers.’ Nevertheless we
bear her no ill-will, and will gladly allow her to return upon condition that
she makes a defence of herself in verse; and her supporters who are not
poets may speak in prose. We confess her charms; but if she cannot show
that she is useful as well as delightful, like rational lovers, we must
renounce our love, though endeared to us by early associations. Having
come to years of discretion, we know that poetry is not truth, and that a man
should be careful how he introduces her to that state or constitution which
he himself is; for there is a mighty issue at stake—no less than the good or
evil of a human soul. And it is not worth while to forsake justice and virtue
for the attractions of poetry, any more than for the sake of honour or wealth.
‘I agree with you.’
And yet the rewards of virtue are greater far than I have described. ‘And
can we conceive things greater still?’ Not, perhaps, in this brief span of life:
but should an immortal being care about anything short of eternity? ‘I do
not understand what you mean?’ Do you not know that the soul is
immortal? ‘Surely you are not prepared to prove that?’ Indeed I am. ‘Then
let me hear this argument, of which you make so light.’
You would admit that everything has an element of good and of evil. In
all things there is an inherent corruption; and if this cannot destroy them,
nothing else will. The soul too has her own corrupting principles, which are
injustice, intemperance, cowardice, and the like. But none of these destroy
the soul in the same sense that disease destroys the body. The soul may be
full of all iniquities, but is not, by reason of them, brought any nearer to
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external affection of evil. The body, which is one thing, cannot be destroyed
by food, which is another, unless the badness of the food is communicated
to the body. Neither can the soul, which is one thing, be corrupted by the
body, which is another, unless she herself is infected. And as no bodily evil
can infect the soul, neither can any bodily evil, whether disease or violence,
or any other destroy the soul, unless it can be shown to render her unholy
and unjust. But no one will ever prove that the souls of men become more
unjust when they die. If a person has the audacity to say the contrary, the
answer is—Then why do criminals require the hand of the executioner, and
not die of themselves? ‘Truly,’ he said, ‘injustice would not be very terrible
if it brought a cessation of evil; but I rather believe that the injustice which
murders others may tend to quicken and stimulate the life of the unjust.’
You are quite right. If sin which is her own natural and inherent evil cannot
destroy the soul, hardly will anything else destroy her. But the soul which
cannot be destroyed either by internal or external evil must be immortal and
everlasting. And if this be true, souls will always exist in the same number.
They cannot diminish, because they cannot be destroyed; nor yet increase,
for the increase of the immortal must come from something mortal, and so
all would end in immortality. Neither is the soul variable and diverse; for
that which is immortal must be of the fairest and simplest composition. If
we would conceive her truly, and so behold justice and injustice in their
own nature, she must be viewed by the light of reason pure as at birth, or as
she is reflected in philosophy when holding converse with the divine and
immortal and eternal. In her present condition we see her only like the sea-
god Glaucus, bruised and maimed in the sea which is the world, and
covered with shells and stones which are incrusted upon her from the
entertainments of earth.
Thus far, as the argument required, we have said nothing of the rewards
and honours which the poets attribute to justice; we have contented
ourselves with showing that justice in herself is best for the soul in herself,
even if a man should put on a Gyges’ ring and have the helmet of Hades
too. And now you shall repay me what you borrowed; and I will enumerate
the rewards of justice in life and after death. I granted, for the sake of
argument, as you will remember, that evil might perhaps escape the
knowledge of Gods and men, although this was really impossible. And
since I have shown that justice has reality, you must grant me also that she
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Gods, and he is therefore the friend of the Gods, and he will receive at their
hands every good, always excepting such evil as is the necessary
consequence of former sins. All things end in good to him, either in life or
after death, even what appears to be evil; for the Gods have a care of him
who desires to be in their likeness. And what shall we say of men? Is not
honesty the best policy? The clever rogue makes a great start at first, but
breaks down before he reaches the goal, and slinks away in dishonour;
whereas the true runner perseveres to the end, and receives the prize. And
you must allow me to repeat all the blessings which you attributed to the
fortunate unjust—they bear rule in the city, they marry and give in marriage
to whom they will; and the evils which you attributed to the unfortunate
just, do really fall in the end on the unjust, although, as you implied, their
sufferings are better veiled in silence.
But all the blessings of this present life are as nothing when compared
with those which await good men after death. ‘I should like to hear about
them.’ Come, then, and I will tell you the story of Er, the son of Armenius, a
valiant man. He was supposed to have died in battle, but ten days
afterwards his body was found untouched by corruption and sent home for
burial. On the twelfth day he was placed on the funeral pyre and there he
came to life again, and told what he had seen in the world below. He said
that his soul went with a great company to a place, in which there were two
chasms near together in the earth beneath, and two corresponding chasms in
the heaven above. And there were judges sitting in the intermediate space,
bidding the just ascend by the heavenly way on the right hand, having the
seal of their judgment set upon them before, while the unjust, having the
seal behind, were bidden to descend by the way on the left hand. Him they
told to look and listen, as he was to be their messenger to men from the
world below. And he beheld and saw the souls departing after judgment at
either chasm; some who came from earth, were worn and travel-stained;
others, who came from heaven, were clean and bright. They seemed glad to
meet and rest awhile in the meadow; here they discoursed with one another
of what they had seen in the other world. Those who came from earth wept
at the remembrance of their sorrows, but the spirits from above spoke of
glorious sights and heavenly bliss. He said that for every evil deed they
were punished tenfold—now the journey was of a thousand years’ duration,
because the life of man was reckoned as a hundred years—and the rewards
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repeating about infants dying almost as soon as they were born. Of
parricides and other murderers he had tortures still more terrible to narrate.
He was present when one of the spirits asked—Where is Ardiaeus the
Great? (This Ardiaeus was a cruel tyrant, who had murdered his father, and
his elder brother, a thousand years before.) Another spirit answered, ‘He
comes not hither, and will never come. And I myself,’ he added, ‘actually
saw this terrible sight. At the entrance of the chasm, as we were about to
reascend, Ardiaeus appeared, and some other sinners—most of whom had
been tyrants, but not all—and just as they fancied that they were returning
to life, the chasm gave a roar, and then wild, fiery-looking men who knew
the meaning of the sound, seized him and several others, and bound them
hand and foot and threw them down, and dragged them along at the side of
the road, lacerating them and carding them like wool, and explaining to the
passers-by, that they were going to be cast into hell.’ The greatest terror of
the pilgrims ascending was lest they should hear the voice, and when there
was silence one by one they passed up with joy. To these sufferings there
were corresponding delights.
On the eighth day the souls of the pilgrims resumed their journey, and in
four days came to a spot whence they looked down upon a line of light, in
colour like a rainbow, only brighter and clearer. One day more brought
them to the place, and they saw that this was the column of light which
binds together the whole universe. The ends of the column were fastened to
heaven, and from them hung the distaff of Necessity, on which all the
heavenly bodies turned—the hook and spindle were of adamant, and the
whorl of a mixed substance. The whorl was in form like a number of boxes
fitting into one another with their edges turned upwards, making together a
single whorl which was pierced by the spindle. The outermost had the rim
broadest, and the inner whorls were smaller and smaller, and had their rims
narrower. The largest (the fixed stars) was spangled—the seventh (the sun)
was brightest—the eighth (the moon) shone by the light of the seventh—the
second and fifth (Saturn and Mercury) were most like one another and
yellower than the eighth—the third (Jupiter) had the whitest light—the
fourth (Mars) was red—the sixth (Venus) was in whiteness second. The
whole had one motion, but while this was revolving in one direction the
seven inner circles were moving in the opposite, with various degrees of
swiftness and slowness. The spindle turned on the knees of Necessity, and a
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the daughters of Necessity, sat on thrones at equal intervals, singing of past,
present, and future, responsive to the music of the Sirens; Clotho from time
to time guiding the outer circle with a touch of her right hand; Atropos with
her left hand touching and guiding the inner circles; Lachesis in turn putting
forth her hand from time to time to guide both of them. On their arrival the
pilgrims went to Lachesis, and there was an interpreter who arranged them,
and taking from her knees lots, and samples of lives, got up into a pulpit
and said: ‘Mortal souls, hear the words of Lachesis, the daughter of
Necessity. A new period of mortal life has begun, and you may choose what
divinity you please; the responsibility of choosing is with you—God is
blameless.’ After speaking thus, he cast the lots among them and each one
took up the lot which fell near him. He then placed on the ground before
them the samples of lives, many more than the souls present; and there were
all sorts of lives, of men and of animals. There were tyrannies ending in
misery and exile, and lives of men and women famous for their different
qualities; and also mixed lives, made up of wealth and poverty, sickness and
health. Here, Glaucon, is the great risk of human life, and therefore the
whole of education should be directed to the acquisition of such a
knowledge as will teach a man to refuse the evil and choose the good. He
should know all the combinations which occur in life—of beauty with
poverty or with wealth,—of knowledge with external goods,—and at last
choose with reference to the nature of the soul, regarding that only as the
better life which makes men better, and leaving the rest. And a man must
take with him an iron sense of truth and right into the world below, that
there too he may remain undazzled by wealth or the allurements of evil, and
be determined to avoid the extremes and choose the mean. For this, as the
messenger reported the interpreter to have said, is the true happiness of
man; and any one, as he proclaimed, may, if he choose with understanding,
have a good lot, even though he come last. ‘Let not the first be careless in
his choice, nor the last despair.’ He spoke; and when he had spoken, he who
had drawn the first lot chose a tyranny: he did not see that he was fated to
devour his own children—and when he discovered his mistake, he wept and
beat his breast, blaming chance and the Gods and anybody rather than
himself. He was one of those who had come from heaven, and in his
previous life had been a citizen of a well-ordered State, but he had only
habit and no philosophy. Like many another, he made a bad choice, because
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seen trouble were not in such a hurry to choose. But if a man had followed
philosophy while upon earth, and had been moderately fortunate in his lot,
he might not only be happy here, but his pilgrimage both from and to this
world would be smooth and heavenly. Nothing was more curious than the
spectacle of the choice, at once sad and laughable and wonderful; most of
the souls only seeking to avoid their own condition in a previous life. He
saw the soul of Orpheus changing into a swan because he would not be
born of a woman; there was Thamyras becoming a nightingale; musical
birds, like the swan, choosing to be men; the twentieth soul, which was that
of Ajax, preferring the life of a lion to that of a man, in remembrance of the
injustice which was done to him in the judgment of the arms; and
Agamemnon, from a like enmity to human nature, passing into an eagle.
About the middle was the soul of Atalanta choosing the honours of an
athlete, and next to her Epeus taking the nature of a workwoman; among
the last was Thersites, who was changing himself into a monkey. Thither,
the last of all, came Odysseus, and sought the lot of a private man, which
lay neglected and despised, and when he found it he went away rejoicing,
and said that if he had been first instead of last, his choice would have been
the same. Men, too, were seen passing into animals, and wild and tame
animals changing into one another.
When all the souls had chosen they went to Lachesis, who sent with each
of them their genius or attendant to fulfil their lot. He first of all brought
them under the hand of Clotho, and drew them within the revolution of the
spindle impelled by her hand; from her they were carried to Atropos, who
made the threads irreversible; whence, without turning round, they passed
beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they had all passed, they moved
on in scorching heat to the plain of Forgetfulness and rested at evening by
the river Unmindful, whose water could not be retained in any vessel; of
this they had all to drink a certain quantity—some of them drank more than
was required, and he who drank forgot all things. Er himself was prevented
from drinking. When they had gone to rest, about the middle of the night
there were thunderstorms and earthquakes, and suddenly they were all
driven divers ways, shooting like stars to their birth. Concerning his return
to the body, he only knew that awaking suddenly in the morning he found
himself lying on the pyre.
Thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved, and will be our salvation, if we
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Justice and Knowledge. So shall we pass undefiled over the river of
Forgetfulness, and be dear to ourselves and to the Gods, and have a crown
of reward and happiness both in this world and also in the millennial
pilgrimage of the other.
The Tenth Book of the Republic of Plato falls into two divisions: first,
resuming an old thread which has been interrupted, Socrates assails the
poets, who, now that the nature of the soul has been analyzed, are seen to be
very far gone from the truth; and secondly, having shown the reality of the
happiness of the just, he demands that appearance shall be restored to him,
and then proceeds to prove the immortality of the soul. The argument, as in
the Phaedo and Gorgias, is supplemented by the vision of a future life.
Why Plato, who was himself a poet, and whose dialogues are poems and
dramas, should have been hostile to the poets as a class, and especially to
the dramatic poets; why he should not have seen that truth may be
embodied in verse as well as in prose, and that there are some indefinable
lights and shadows of human life which can only be expressed in poetry—
some elements of imagination which always entwine with reason; why he
should have supposed epic verse to be inseparably associated with the
impurities of the old Hellenic mythology; why he should try Homer and
Hesiod by the unfair and prosaic test of utility,—are questions which have
always been debated amongst students of Plato. Though unable to give a
complete answer to them, we may show—first, that his views arose
naturally out of the circumstances of his age; and secondly, we may elicit
the truth as well as the error which is contained in them.
He is the enemy of the poets because poetry was declining in his own
lifetime, and a theatrocracy, as he says in the Laws, had taken the place of
an intellectual aristocracy. Euripides exhibited the last phase of the tragic
drama, and in him Plato saw the friend and apologist of tyrants, and the
Sophist of tragedy. The old comedy was almost extinct; the new had not yet
arisen. Dramatic and lyric poetry, like every other branch of Greek
literature, was falling under the power of rhetoric. There was no ‘second or
third’ to Aeschylus and Sophocles in the generation which followed them.
Aristophanes, in one of his later comedies (Frogs), speaks of ‘thousands of
tragedy-making prattlers,’ whose attempts at poetry he compares to the
chirping of swallows; ‘their garrulity went far beyond Euripides,’—‘they
appeared once upon the stage, and there was an end of them.’ To a man of

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genius who had a real appreciation of the godlike Aeschylus and the noble
and gentle Sophocles, though disagreeing with some parts of their
‘theology’ (Rep.), these ‘minor poets’ must have been contemptible and
intolerable. There is no feeling stronger in the dialogues of Plato than a
sense of the decline and decay both in literature and in politics which
marked his own age. Nor can he have been expected to look with favour on
the licence of Aristophanes, now at the end of his career, who had begun by
satirizing Socrates in the Clouds, and in a similar spirit forty years
afterwards had satirized the founders of ideal commonwealths in his
Eccleziazusae, or Female Parliament (Laws).
There were other reasons for the antagonism of Plato to poetry. The
profession of an actor was regarded by him as a degradation of human
nature, for ‘one man in his life’ cannot ‘play many parts;’ the characters
which the actor performs seem to destroy his own character, and to leave
nothing which can be truly called himself. Neither can any man live his life
and act it. The actor is the slave of his art, not the master of it. Taking this
view Plato is more decided in his expulsion of the dramatic than of the epic
poets, though he must have known that the Greek tragedians afforded noble
lessons and examples of virtue and patriotism, to which nothing in Homer
can be compared. But great dramatic or even great rhetorical power is
hardly consistent with firmness or strength of mind, and dramatic talent is
often incidentally associated with a weak or dissolute character.
In the Tenth Book Plato introduces a new series of objections. First, he
says that the poet or painter is an imitator, and in the third degree removed
from the truth. His creations are not tested by rule and measure; they are
only appearances. In modern times we should say that art is not merely
imitation, but rather the expression of the ideal in forms of sense. Even
adopting the humble image of Plato, from which his argument derives a
colour, we should maintain that the artist may ennoble the bed which he
paints by the folds of the drapery, or by the feeling of home which he
introduces; and there have been modern painters who have imparted such
an ideal interest to a blacksmith’s or a carpenter’s shop. The eye or mind
which feels as well as sees can give dignity and pathos to a ruined mill, or a
straw-built shed (Rembrandt), to the hull of a vessel ‘going to its last home’
(Turner). Still more would this apply to the greatest works of art, which
seem to be the visible embodiment of the divine. Had Plato been asked
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only, would he not have been compelled to admit that something more was
to be found in them than in the form of any mortal; and that the rule of
proportion to which they conformed was ‘higher far than any geometry or
arithmetic could express?’ (Statesman.)
Again, Plato objects to the imitative arts that they express the emotional
rather than the rational part of human nature. He does not admit Aristotle’s
theory, that tragedy or other serious imitations are a purgation of the
passions by pity and fear; to him they appear only to afford the opportunity
of indulging them. Yet we must acknowledge that we may sometimes cure
disordered emotions by giving expression to them; and that they often gain
strength when pent up within our own breast. It is not every indulgence of
the feelings which is to be condemned. For there may be a gratification of
the higher as well as of the lower—thoughts which are too deep or too sad
to be expressed by ourselves, may find an utterance in the words of poets.
Every one would acknowledge that there have been times when they were
consoled and elevated by beautiful music or by the sublimity of architecture
or by the peacefulness of nature. Plato has himself admitted, in the earlier
part of the Republic, that the arts might have the effect of harmonizing as
well as of enervating the mind; but in the Tenth Book he regards them
through a Stoic or Puritan medium. He asks only ‘What good have they
done?’ and is not satisfied with the reply, that ‘They have given innocent
pleasure to mankind.’
He tells us that he rejoices in the banishment of the poets, since he has
found by the analysis of the soul that they are concerned with the inferior
faculties. He means to say that the higher faculties have to do with
universals, the lower with particulars of sense. The poets are on a level with
their own age, but not on a level with Socrates and Plato; and he was well
aware that Homer and Hesiod could not be made a rule of life by any
process of legitimate interpretation; his ironical use of them is in fact a
denial of their authority; he saw, too, that the poets were not critics—as he
says in the Apology, ‘Any one was a better interpreter of their writings than
they were themselves. He himself ceased to be a poet when he became a
disciple of Socrates; though, as he tells us of Solon, ‘he might have been
one of the greatest of them, if he had not been deterred by other pursuits’
(Tim.) Thus from many points of view there is an antagonism between Plato
and the poets, which was foreshadowed to him in the old quarrel between
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Sophists of their day; and his dislike of the one class is reflected on the
other. He regards them both as the enemies of reasoning and abstraction,
though in the case of Euripides more with reference to his immoral
sentiments about tyrants and the like. For Plato is the prophet who ‘came
into the world to convince men’—first of the fallibility of sense and
opinion, and secondly of the reality of abstract ideas. Whatever strangeness
there may be in modern times in opposing philosophy to poetry, which to us
seem to have so many elements in common, the strangeness will disappear
if we conceive of poetry as allied to sense, and of philosophy as equivalent
to thought and abstraction. Unfortunately the very word ‘idea,’ which to
Plato is expressive of the most real of all things, is associated in our minds
with an element of subjectiveness and unreality. We may note also how he
differs from Aristotle who declares poetry to be truer than history, for the
opposite reason, because it is concerned with universals, not like history,
with particulars (Poet).
The things which are seen are opposed in Scripture to the things which
are unseen—they are equally opposed in Plato to universals and ideas. To
him all particulars appear to be floating about in a world of sense; they have
a taint of error or even of evil. There is no difficulty in seeing that this is an
illusion; for there is no more error or variation in an individual man, horse,
bed, etc., than in the class man, horse, bed, etc.; nor is the truth which is
displayed in individual instances less certain than that which is conveyed
through the medium of ideas. But Plato, who is deeply impressed with the
real importance of universals as instruments of thought, attributes to them
an essential truth which is imaginary and unreal; for universals may be
often false and particulars true. Had he attained to any clear conception of
the individual, which is the synthesis of the universal and the particular; or
had he been able to distinguish between opinion and sensation, which the
ambiguity of the words (Greek) and the like, tended to confuse, he would
not have denied truth to the particulars of sense.
But the poets are also the representatives of falsehood and feigning in all
departments of life and knowledge, like the sophists and rhetoricians of the
Gorgias and Phaedrus; they are the false priests, false prophets, lying spirits,
enchanters of the world. There is another count put into the indictment
against them by Plato, that they are the friends of the tyrant, and bask in the
sunshine of his patronage. Despotism in all ages has had an apparatus of
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Europe as well as of Greece and Rome. For no government of men depends
solely upon force; without some corruption of literature and morals—some
appeal to the imagination of the masses—some pretence to the favour of
heaven—some element of good giving power to evil, tyranny, even for a
short time, cannot be maintained. The Greek tyrants were not insensible to
the importance of awakening in their cause a Pseudo-Hellenic feeling; they
were proud of successes at the Olympic games; they were not devoid of the
love of literature and art. Plato is thinking in the first instance of Greek
poets who had graced the courts of Dionysius or Archelaus: and the old
spirit of freedom is roused within him at their prostitution of the Tragic
Muse in the praises of tyranny. But his prophetic eye extends beyond them
to the false teachers of other ages who are the creatures of the government
under which they live. He compares the corruption of his contemporaries
with the idea of a perfect society, and gathers up into one mass of evil the
evils and errors of mankind; to him they are personified in the rhetoricians,
sophists, poets, rulers who deceive and govern the world.
A further objection which Plato makes to poetry and the imitative arts is
that they excite the emotions. Here the modern reader will be disposed to
introduce a distinction which appears to have escaped him. For the
emotions are neither bad nor good in themselves, and are not most likely to
be controlled by the attempt to eradicate them, but by the moderate
indulgence of them. And the vocation of art is to present thought in the form
of feeling, to enlist the feelings on the side of reason, to inspire even for a
moment courage or resignation; perhaps to suggest a sense of infinity and
eternity in a way which mere language is incapable of attaining. True, the
same power which in the purer age of art embodies gods and heroes only,
may be made to express the voluptuous image of a Corinthian courtezan.
But this only shows that art, like other outward things, may be turned to
good and also to evil, and is not more closely connected with the higher
than with the lower part of the soul. All imitative art is subject to certain
limitations, and therefore necessarily partakes of the nature of a
compromise. Something of ideal truth is sacrificed for the sake of the
representation, and something in the exactness of the representation is
sacrificed to the ideal. Still, works of art have a permanent element; they
idealize and detain the passing thought, and are the intermediates between
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In the present stage of the human mind, poetry and other forms of fiction
may certainly be regarded as a good. But we can also imagine the existence
of an age in which a severer conception of truth has either banished or
transformed them. At any rate we must admit that they hold a different
place at different periods of the world’s history. In the infancy of mankind,
poetry, with the exception of proverbs, is the whole of literature, and the
only instrument of intellectual culture; in modern times she is the shadow or
echo of her former self, and appears to have a precarious existence. Milton
in his day doubted whether an epic poem was any longer possible. At the
same time we must remember, that what Plato would have called the
charms of poetry have been partly transferred to prose; he himself
(Statesman) admits rhetoric to be the handmaiden of Politics, and proposes
to find in the strain of law (Laws) a substitute for the old poets. Among
ourselves the creative power seems often to be growing weaker, and
scientific fact to be more engrossing and overpowering to the mind than
formerly. The illusion of the feelings commonly called love, has hitherto
been the inspiring influence of modern poetry and romance, and has
exercised a humanizing if not a strengthening influence on the world. But
may not the stimulus which love has given to fancy be some day exhausted?
The modern English novel which is the most popular of all forms of reading
is not more than a century or two old: will the tale of love a hundred years
hence, after so many thousand variations of the same theme, be still
received with unabated interest?
Art cannot claim to be on a level with philosophy or religion, and may
often corrupt them. It is possible to conceive a mental state in which all
artistic representations are regarded as a false and imperfect expression,
either of the religious ideal or of the philosophical ideal. The fairest forms
may be revolting in certain moods of mind, as is proved by the fact that the
Mahometans, and many sects of Christians, have renounced the use of
pictures and images. The beginning of a great religion, whether Christian or
Gentile, has not been ‘wood or stone,’ but a spirit moving in the hearts of
men. The disciples have met in a large upper room or in ‘holes and caves of
the earth’; in the second or third generation, they have had mosques,
temples, churches, monasteries. And the revival or reform of religions, like
the first revelation of them, has come from within and has generally
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But poetry and art may also be the expression of the highest truth and the
purest sentiment. Plato himself seems to waver between two opposite views
—when, as in the third Book, he insists that youth should be brought up
amid wholesome imagery; and again in Book X, when he banishes the poets
from his Republic. Admitting that the arts, which some of us almost deify,
have fallen short of their higher aim, we must admit on the other hand that
to banish imagination wholly would be suicidal as well as impossible. For
nature too is a form of art; and a breath of the fresh air or a single glance at
the varying landscape would in an instant revive and reillumine the
extinguished spark of poetry in the human breast. In the lower stages of
civilization imagination more than reason distinguishes man from the
animals; and to banish art would be to banish thought, to banish language,
to banish the expression of all truth. No religion is wholly devoid of
external forms; even the Mahometan who renounces the use of pictures and
images has a temple in which he worships the Most High, as solemn and
beautiful as any Greek or Christian building. Feeling too and thought are
not really opposed; for he who thinks must feel before he can execute. And
the highest thoughts, when they become familiarized to us, are always
tending to pass into the form of feeling.
Plato does not seriously intend to expel poets from life and society. But
he feels strongly the unreality of their writings; he is protesting against the
degeneracy of poetry in his own day as we might protest against the want of
serious purpose in modern fiction, against the unseemliness or extravagance
of some of our poets or novelists, against the time-serving of preachers or
public writers, against the regardlessness of truth which to the eye of the
philosopher seems to characterize the greater part of the world. For we too
have reason to complain that our poets and novelists ‘paint inferior truth’
and ‘are concerned with the inferior part of the soul’; that the readers of
them become what they read and are injuriously affected by them. And we
look in vain for that healthy atmosphere of which Plato speaks,—‘the
beauty which meets the sense like a breeze and imperceptibly draws the
soul, even in childhood, into harmony with the beauty of reason.’
For there might be a poetry which would be the hymn of divine
perfection, the harmony of goodness and truth among men: a strain which
should renew the youth of the world, and bring back the ages in which the
poet was man’s only teacher and best friend,—which would find materials
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to the fairest forms of speech and verse the intractable materials of modern
civilisation,—which might elicit the simple principles, or, as Plato would
have called them, the essential forms, of truth and justice out of the variety
of opinion and the complexity of modern society,—which would preserve
all the good of each generation and leave the bad unsung,—which should be
based not on vain longings or faint imaginings, but on a clear insight into
the nature of man. Then the tale of love might begin again in poetry or
prose, two in one, united in the pursuit of knowledge, or the service of God
and man; and feelings of love might still be the incentive to great thoughts
and heroic deeds as in the days of Dante or Petrarch; and many types of
manly and womanly beauty might appear among us, rising above the
ordinary level of humanity, and many lives which were like poems (Laws),
be not only written, but lived by us. A few such strains have been heard
among men in the tragedies of Aeschylus and Sophocles, whom Plato
quotes, not, as Homer is quoted by him, in irony, but with deep and serious
approval,—in the poetry of Milton and Wordsworth, and in passages of
other English poets,—first and above all in the Hebrew prophets and
psalmists. Shakespeare has taught us how great men should speak and act;
he has drawn characters of a wonderful purity and depth; he has ennobled
the human mind, but, like Homer (Rep.), he ‘has left no way of life.’ The
next greatest poet of modern times, Goethe, is concerned with ‘a lower
degree of truth’; he paints the world as a stage on which ‘all the men and
women are merely players’; he cultivates life as an art, but he furnishes no
ideals of truth and action. The poet may rebel against any attempt to set
limits to his fancy; and he may argue truly that moralizing in verse is not
poetry. Possibly, like Mephistopheles in Faust, he may retaliate on his
adversaries. But the philosopher will still be justified in asking, ‘How may
the heavenly gift of poesy be devoted to the good of mankind?’
Returning to Plato, we may observe that a similar mixture of truth and
error appears in other parts of the argument. He is aware of the absurdity of
mankind framing their whole lives according to Homer; just as in the
Phaedrus he intimates the absurdity of interpreting mythology upon rational
principles; both these were the modern tendencies of his own age, which he
deservedly ridicules. On the other hand, his argument that Homer, if he had
been able to teach mankind anything worth knowing, would not have been
allowed by them to go about begging as a rhapsodist, is both false and
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paradoxes of the Gorgias, that ‘No statesman was ever unjustly put to death
by the city of which he was the head’; and that ‘No Sophist was ever
defrauded by his pupils’ (Gorg.)...
The argument for immortality seems to rest on the absolute dualism of
soul and body. Admitting the existence of the soul, we know of no force
which is able to put an end to her. Vice is her own proper evil; and if she
cannot be destroyed by that, she cannot be destroyed by any other. Yet Plato
has acknowledged that the soul may be so overgrown by the incrustations of
earth as to lose her original form; and in the Timaeus he recognizes more
strongly than in the Republic the influence which the body has over the
mind, denying even the voluntariness of human actions, on the ground that
they proceed from physical states (Tim.). In the Republic, as elsewhere, he
wavers between the original soul which has to be restored, and the character
which is developed by training and education...
The vision of another world is ascribed to Er, the son of Armenius, who
is said by Clement of Alexandria to have been Zoroaster. The tale has
certainly an oriental character, and may be compared with the pilgrimages
of the soul in the Zend Avesta (Haug, Avesta). But no trace of acquaintance
with Zoroaster is found elsewhere in Plato’s writings, and there is no reason
for giving him the name of Er the Pamphylian. The philosophy of
Heracleitus cannot be shown to be borrowed from Zoroaster, and still less
the myths of Plato.
The local arrangement of the vision is less distinct than that of the
Phaedrus and Phaedo. Astronomy is mingled with symbolism and
mythology; the great sphere of heaven is represented under the symbol of a
cylinder or box, containing the seven orbits of the planets and the fixed
stars; this is suspended from an axis or spindle which turns on the knees of
Necessity; the revolutions of the seven orbits contained in the cylinder are
guided by the fates, and their harmonious motion produces the music of the
spheres. Through the innermost or eighth of these, which is the moon, is
passed the spindle; but it is doubtful whether this is the continuation of the
column of light, from which the pilgrims contemplate the heavens; the
words of Plato imply that they are connected, but not the same. The column
itself is clearly not of adamant. The spindle (which is of adamant) is
fastened to the ends of the chains which extend to the middle of the column
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hangs from the spindle, or is at right angles to it, is not explained. The
cylinder containing the orbits of the stars is almost as much a symbol as the
figure of Necessity turning the spindle;—for the outermost rim is the sphere
of the fixed stars, and nothing is said about the intervals of space which
divide the paths of the stars in the heavens. The description is both a picture
and an orrery, and therefore is necessarily inconsistent with itself. The
column of light is not the Milky Way—which is neither straight, nor like a
rainbow—but the imaginary axis of the earth. This is compared to the
rainbow in respect not of form but of colour, and not to the undergirders of
a trireme, but to the straight rope running from prow to stern in which the
undergirders meet.
The orrery or picture of the heavens given in the Republic differs in its
mode of representation from the circles of the same and of the other in the
Timaeus. In both the fixed stars are distinguished from the planets, and they
move in orbits without them, although in an opposite direction: in the
Republic as in the Timaeus they are all moving round the axis of the world.
But we are not certain that in the former they are moving round the earth.
No distinct mention is made in the Republic of the circles of the same and
other; although both in the Timaeus and in the Republic the motion of the
fixed stars is supposed to coincide with the motion of the whole. The
relative thickness of the rims is perhaps designed to express the relative
distances of the planets. Plato probably intended to represent the earth, from
which Er and his companions are viewing the heavens, as stationary in
place; but whether or not herself revolving, unless this is implied in the
revolution of the axis, is uncertain (Timaeus). The spectator may be
supposed to look at the heavenly bodies, either from above or below. The
earth is a sort of earth and heaven in one, like the heaven of the Phaedrus,
on the back of which the spectator goes out to take a peep at the stars and is
borne round in the revolution. There is no distinction between the equator
and the ecliptic. But Plato is no doubt led to imagine that the planets have
an opposite motion to that of the fixed stars, in order to account for their
appearances in the heavens. In the description of the meadow, and the
retribution of the good and evil after death, there are traces of Homer.
The description of the axis as a spindle, and of the heavenly bodies as
forming a whole, partly arises out of the attempt to connect the motions of
the heavenly bodies with the mythological image of the web, or weaving of
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them irreversible, which are ascribed to the three Fates—Lachesis, Clotho,
Atropos, are obviously derived from their names. The element of chance in
human life is indicated by the order of the lots. But chance, however
adverse, may be overcome by the wisdom of man, if he knows how to
choose aright; there is a worse enemy to man than chance; this enemy is
himself. He who was moderately fortunate in the number of the lot—even
the very last comer—might have a good life if he chose with wisdom. And
as Plato does not like to make an assertion which is unproven, he more than
confirms this statement a few sentences afterwards by the example of
Odysseus, who chose last. But the virtue which is founded on habit is not
sufficient to enable a man to choose; he must add to virtue knowledge, if he
is to act rightly when placed in new circumstances. The routine of good
actions and good habits is an inferior sort of goodness; and, as Coleridge
says, ‘Common sense is intolerable which is not based on metaphysics,’ so
Plato would have said, ‘Habit is worthless which is not based upon
philosophy.’
The freedom of the will to refuse the evil and to choose the good is
distinctly asserted. ‘Virtue is free, and as a man honours or dishonours her
he will have more or less of her.’ The life of man is ‘rounded’ by necessity;
there are circumstances prior to birth which affect him (Pol.). But within the
walls of necessity there is an open space in which he is his own master, and
can study for himself the effects which the variously compounded gifts of
nature or fortune have upon the soul, and act accordingly. All men cannot
have the first choice in everything. But the lot of all men is good enough, if
they choose wisely and will live diligently.
The verisimilitude which is given to the pilgrimage of a thousand years,
by the intimation that Ardiaeus had lived a thousand years before; the
coincidence of Er coming to life on the twelfth day after he was supposed to
have been dead with the seven days which the pilgrims passed in the
meadow, and the four days during which they journeyed to the column of
light; the precision with which the soul is mentioned who chose the
twentieth lot; the passing remarks that there was no definite character
among the souls, and that the souls which had chosen ill blamed any one
rather than themselves; or that some of the souls drank more than was
necessary of the waters of Forgetfulness, while Er himself was hindered
from drinking; the desire of Odysseus to rest at last, unlike the conception
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the body, when the other souls went shooting like stars to their birth,—add
greatly to the probability of the narrative. They are such touches of nature
as the art of Defoe might have introduced when he wished to win credibility
for marvels and apparitions.

There still remain to be considered some points which have been
intentionally reserved to the end: (1) the Janus-like character of the
Republic, which presents two faces—one an Hellenic state, the other a
kingdom of philosophers. Connected with the latter of the two aspects are
(2) the paradoxes of the Republic, as they have been termed by
Morgenstern: (a) the community of property; (b) of families; (c) the rule of
philosophers; (d) the analogy of the individual and the State, which, like
some other analogies in the Republic, is carried too far. We may then
proceed to consider (3) the subject of education as conceived by Plato,
bringing together in a general view the education of youth and the
education of after-life; (4) we may note further some essential differences
between ancient and modern politics which are suggested by the Republic;
(5) we may compare the Politicus and the Laws; (6) we may observe the
influence exercised by Plato on his imitators; and (7) take occasion to
consider the nature and value of political, and (8) of religious ideals.
1. Plato expressly says that he is intending to found an Hellenic State
(Book V). Many of his regulations are characteristically Spartan; such as
the prohibition of gold and silver, the common meals of the men, the
military training of the youth, the gymnastic exercises of the women. The
life of Sparta was the life of a camp (Laws), enforced even more rigidly in
time of peace than in war; the citizens of Sparta, like Plato’s, were
forbidden to trade—they were to be soldiers and not shopkeepers. Nowhere
else in Greece was the individual so completely subjected to the State; the
time when he was to marry, the education of his children, the clothes which
he was to wear, the food which he was to eat, were all prescribed by law.
Some of the best enactments in the Republic, such as the reverence to be
paid to parents and elders, and some of the worst, such as the exposure of
deformed children, are borrowed from the practice of Sparta. The
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another, as affording incentives to bravery, is also Spartan; in Sparta too a
nearer approach was made than in any other Greek State to equality of the
sexes, and to community of property; and while there was probably less of
licentiousness in the sense of immorality, the tie of marriage was regarded
more lightly than in the rest of Greece. The ‘suprema lex’ was the
preservation of the family, and the interest of the State. The coarse strength
of a military government was not favourable to purity and refinement; and
the excessive strictness of some regulations seems to have produced a
reaction. Of all Hellenes the Spartans were most accessible to bribery;
several of the greatest of them might be described in the words of Plato as
having a ‘fierce secret longing after gold and silver.’ Though not in the strict
sense communists, the principle of communism was maintained among
them in their division of lands, in their common meals, in their slaves, and
in the free use of one another’s goods. Marriage was a public institution:
and the women were educated by the State, and sang and danced in public
with the men.
Many traditions were preserved at Sparta of the severity with which the
magistrates had maintained the primitive rule of music and poetry; as in the
Republic of Plato, the new-fangled poet was to be expelled. Hymns to the
Gods, which are the only kind of music admitted into the ideal State, were
the only kind which was permitted at Sparta. The Spartans, though an
unpoetical race, were nevertheless lovers of poetry; they had been stirred by
the Elegiac strains of Tyrtaeus, they had crowded around Hippias to hear his
recitals of Homer; but in this they resembled the citizens of the timocratic
rather than of the ideal State. The council of elder men also corresponds to
the Spartan gerousia; and the freedom with which they are permitted to
judge about matters of detail agrees with what we are told of that
institution. Once more, the military rule of not spoiling the dead or offering
arms at the temples; the moderation in the pursuit of enemies; the
importance attached to the physical well-being of the citizens; the use of
warfare for the sake of defence rather than of aggression—are features
probably suggested by the spirit and practice of Sparta.
To the Spartan type the ideal State reverts in the first decline; and the
character of the individual timocrat is borrowed from the Spartan citizen.
The love of Lacedaemon not only affected Plato and Xenophon, but was
shared by many undistinguished Athenians; there they seemed to find a
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Spartans attracted them, that is to say, not the goodness of their laws, but
the spirit of order and loyalty which prevailed. Fascinated by the idea,
citizens of Athens would imitate the Lacedaemonians in their dress and
manners; they were known to the contemporaries of Plato as ‘the persons
who had their ears bruised,’ like the Roundheads of the Commonwealth.
The love of another church or country when seen at a distance only, the
longing for an imaginary simplicity in civilized times, the fond desire of a
past which never has been, or of a future which never will be,—these are
aspirations of the human mind which are often felt among ourselves. Such
feelings meet with a response in the Republic of Plato.
But there are other features of the Platonic Republic, as, for example, the
literary and philosophical education, and the grace and beauty of life, which
are the reverse of Spartan. Plato wishes to give his citizens a taste of
Athenian freedom as well as of Lacedaemonian discipline. His individual
genius is purely Athenian, although in theory he is a lover of Sparta; and he
is something more than either—he has also a true Hellenic feeling. He is
desirous of humanizing the wars of Hellenes against one another; he
acknowledges that the Delphian God is the grand hereditary interpreter of
all Hellas. The spirit of harmony and the Dorian mode are to prevail, and
the whole State is to have an external beauty which is the reflex of the
harmony within. But he has not yet found out the truth which he afterwards
enunciated in the Laws—that he was a better legislator who made men to be
of one mind, than he who trained them for war. The citizens, as in other
Hellenic States, democratic as well as aristocratic, are really an upper class;
for, although no mention is made of slaves, the lower classes are allowed to
fade away into the distance, and are represented in the individual by the
passions. Plato has no idea either of a social State in which all classes are
harmonized, or of a federation of Hellas or the world in which different
nations or States have a place. His city is equipped for war rather than for
peace, and this would seem to be justified by the ordinary condition of
Hellenic States. The myth of the earth-born men is an embodiment of the
orthodox tradition of Hellas, and the allusion to the four ages of the world is
also sanctioned by the authority of Hesiod and the poets. Thus we see that
the Republic is partly founded on the ideal of the old Greek polis, partly on
the actual circumstances of Hellas in that age. Plato, like the old painters,
retains the traditional form, and like them he has also a vision of a city in
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There is yet another thread which is interwoven in the texture of the
work; for the Republic is not only a Dorian State, but a Pythagorean league.
The ‘way of life’ which was connected with the name of Pythagoras, like
the Catholic monastic orders, showed the power which the mind of an
individual might exercise over his contemporaries, and may have naturally
suggested to Plato the possibility of reviving such ‘mediaeval institutions.’
The Pythagoreans, like Plato, enforced a rule of life and a moral and
intellectual training. The influence ascribed to music, which to us seems
exaggerated, is also a Pythagorean feature; it is not to be regarded as
representing the real influence of music in the Greek world. More nearly
than any other government of Hellas, the Pythagorean league of three
hundred was an aristocracy of virtue. For once in the history of mankind the
philosophy of order or (Greek), expressing and consequently enlisting on its
side the combined endeavours of the better part of the people, obtained the
management of public affairs and held possession of it for a considerable
time (until about B.C. 500). Probably only in States prepared by Dorian
institutions would such a league have been possible. The rulers, like Plato’s
(Greek), were required to submit to a severe training in order to prepare the
way for the education of the other members of the community. Long after
the dissolution of the Order, eminent Pythagoreans, such as Archytas of
Tarentum, retained their political influence over the cities of Magna
Graecia. There was much here that was suggestive to the kindred spirit of
Plato, who had doubtless meditated deeply on the ‘way of life of
Pythagoras’ (Rep.) and his followers. Slight traces of Pythagoreanism are to
be found in the mystical number of the State, in the number which
expresses the interval between the king and the tyrant, in the doctrine of
transmigration, in the music of the spheres, as well as in the great though
secondary importance ascribed to mathematics in education.
But as in his philosophy, so also in the form of his State, he goes far
beyond the old Pythagoreans. He attempts a task really impossible, which is
to unite the past of Greek history with the future of philosophy, analogous
to that other impossibility, which has often been the dream of Christendom,
the attempt to unite the past history of Europe with the kingdom of Christ.
Nothing actually existing in the world at all resembles Plato’s ideal State;
nor does he himself imagine that such a State is possible. This he repeats
again and again; e.g. in the Republic, or in the Laws where, casting a glance
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philosophy was impossible in his own age, though still to be retained as a
pattern. The same doubt is implied in the earnestness with which he argues
in the Republic that ideals are none the worse because they cannot be
realized in fact, and in the chorus of laughter, which like a breaking wave
will, as he anticipates, greet the mention of his proposals; though like other
writers of fiction, he uses all his art to give reality to his inventions. When
asked how the ideal polity can come into being, he answers ironically,
‘When one son of a king becomes a philosopher’; he designates the fiction
of the earth-born men as ‘a noble lie’; and when the structure is finally
complete, he fairly tells you that his Republic is a vision only, which in
some sense may have reality, but not in the vulgar one of a reign of
philosophers upon earth. It has been said that Plato flies as well as walks,
but this falls short of the truth; for he flies and walks at the same time, and
is in the air and on firm ground in successive instants.
Niebuhr has asked a trifling question, which may be briefly noticed in
this place—Was Plato a good citizen? If by this is meant, Was he loyal to
Athenian institutions?—he can hardly be said to be the friend of
democracy: but neither is he the friend of any other existing form of
government; all of them he regarded as ‘states of faction’ (Laws); none
attained to his ideal of a voluntary rule over voluntary subjects, which
seems indeed more nearly to describe democracy than any other; and the
worst of them is tyranny. The truth is, that the question has hardly any
meaning when applied to a great philosopher whose writings are not meant
for a particular age and country, but for all time and all mankind. The
decline of Athenian politics was probably the motive which led Plato to
frame an ideal State, and the Republic may be regarded as reflecting the
departing glory of Hellas. As well might we complain of St. Augustine,
whose great work ‘The City of God’ originated in a similar motive, for not
being loyal to the Roman Empire. Even a nearer parallel might be afforded
by the first Christians, who cannot fairly be charged with being bad citizens
because, though ‘subject to the higher powers,’ they were looking forward
to a city which is in heaven.
2. The idea of the perfect State is full of paradox when judged of
according to the ordinary notions of mankind. The paradoxes of one age
have been said to become the commonplaces of the next; but the paradoxes
of Plato are at least as paradoxical to us as they were to his contemporaries.
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as unnatural and immoral; men have been pleased to find in Aristotle’s
criticisms of them the anticipation of their own good sense. The wealthy
and cultivated classes have disliked and also dreaded them; they have
pointed with satisfaction to the failure of efforts to realize them in practice.
Yet since they are the thoughts of one of the greatest of human
intelligences, and of one who had done most to elevate morality and
religion, they seem to deserve a better treatment at our hands. We may have
to address the public, as Plato does poetry, and assure them that we mean no
harm to existing institutions. There are serious errors which have a side of
truth and which therefore may fairly demand a careful consideration: there
are truths mixed with error of which we may indeed say, ‘The half is better
than the whole.’ Yet ‘the half’ may be an important contribution to the study
of human nature.
(a) The first paradox is the community of goods, which is mentioned
slightly at the end of the third Book, and seemingly, as Aristotle observes, is
confined to the guardians; at least no mention is made of the other classes.
But the omission is not of any real significance, and probably arises out of
the plan of the work, which prevents the writer from entering into details.
Aristotle censures the community of property much in the spirit of
modern political economy, as tending to repress industry, and as doing away
with the spirit of benevolence. Modern writers almost refuse to consider the
subject, which is supposed to have been long ago settled by the common
opinion of mankind. But it must be remembered that the sacredness of
property is a notion far more fixed in modern than in ancient times. The
world has grown older, and is therefore more conservative. Primitive
society offered many examples of land held in common, either by a tribe or
by a township, and such may probably have been the original form of
landed tenure. Ancient legislators had invented various modes of dividing
and preserving the divisions of land among the citizens; according to
Aristotle there were nations who held the land in common and divided the
produce, and there were others who divided the land and stored the produce
in common. The evils of debt and the inequality of property were far greater
in ancient than in modern times, and the accidents to which property was
subject from war, or revolution, or taxation, or other legislative interference,
were also greater. All these circumstances gave property a less fixed and
sacred character. The early Christians are believed to have held their
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himself, and has been maintained as a counsel of perfection in almost all
ages of the Church. Nor have there been wanting instances of modern
enthusiasts who have made a religion of communism; in every age of
religious excitement notions like Wycliffe’s ‘inheritance of grace’ have
tended to prevail. A like spirit, but fiercer and more violent, has appeared in
politics. ‘The preparation of the Gospel of peace’ soon becomes the red flag
of Republicanism.
We can hardly judge what effect Plato’s views would have upon his own
contemporaries; they would perhaps have seemed to them only an
exaggeration of the Spartan commonwealth. Even modern writers would
acknowledge that the right of private property is based on expediency, and
may be interfered with in a variety of ways for the public good. Any other
mode of vesting property which was found to be more advantageous, would
in time acquire the same basis of right; ‘the most useful,’ in Plato’s words,
‘would be the most sacred.’ The lawyers and ecclesiastics of former ages
would have spoken of property as a sacred institution. But they only meant
by such language to oppose the greatest amount of resistance to any
invasion of the rights of individuals and of the Church.
When we consider the question, without any fear of immediate
application to practice, in the spirit of Plato’s Republic, are we quite sure
that the received notions of property are the best? Is the distribution of
wealth which is customary in civilized countries the most favourable that
can be conceived for the education and development of the mass of
mankind? Can ‘the spectator of all time and all existence’ be quite
convinced that one or two thousand years hence, great changes will not
have taken place in the rights of property, or even that the very notion of
property, beyond what is necessary for personal maintenance, may not have
disappeared? This was a distinction familiar to Aristotle, though likely to be
laughed at among ourselves. Such a change would not be greater than some
other changes through which the world has passed in the transition from
ancient to modern society, for example, the emancipation of the serfs in
Russia, or the abolition of slavery in America and the West Indies; and not
so great as the difference which separates the Eastern village community
from the Western world. To accomplish such a revolution in the course of a
few centuries, would imply a rate of progress not more rapid than has
actually taken place during the last fifty or sixty years. The kingdom of
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hundred. Many opinions and beliefs which have been cherished among
ourselves quite as strongly as the sacredness of property have passed away;
and the most untenable propositions respecting the right of bequests or
entail have been maintained with as much fervour as the most moderate.
Some one will be heard to ask whether a state of society can be final in
which the interests of thousands are perilled on the life or character of a
single person. And many will indulge the hope that our present condition
may, after all, be only transitional, and may conduct to a higher, in which
property, besides ministering to the enjoyment of the few, may also furnish
the means of the highest culture to all, and will be a greater benefit to the
public generally, and also more under the control of public authority. There
may come a time when the saying, ‘Have I not a right to do what I will with
my own?’ will appear to be a barbarous relic of individualism;—when the
possession of a part may be a greater blessing to each and all than the
possession of the whole is now to any one.
Such reflections appear visionary to the eye of the practical statesman,
but they are within the range of possibility to the philosopher. He can
imagine that in some distant age or clime, and through the influence of
some individual, the notion of common property may or might have sunk as
deep into the heart of a race, and have become as fixed to them, as private
property is to ourselves. He knows that this latter institution is not more
than four or five thousand years old: may not the end revert to the
beginning? In our own age even Utopias affect the spirit of legislation, and
an abstract idea may exercise a great influence on practical politics.
The objections that would be generally urged against Plato’s community
of property, are the old ones of Aristotle, that motives for exertion would be
taken away, and that disputes would arise when each was dependent upon
all. Every man would produce as little and consume as much as he liked.
The experience of civilized nations has hitherto been adverse to Socialism.
The effort is too great for human nature; men try to live in common, but the
personal feeling is always breaking in. On the other hand it may be doubted
whether our present notions of property are not conventional, for they differ
in different countries and in different states of society. We boast of an
individualism which is not freedom, but rather an artificial result of the
industrial state of modern Europe. The individual is nominally free, but he
is also powerless in a world bound hand and foot in the chains of economic
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disinterested, at any rate we observe in them a power of organization which
fifty years ago would never have been suspected. The same forces which
have revolutionized the political system of Europe, may effect a similar
change in the social and industrial relations of mankind. And if we suppose
the influence of some good as well as neutral motives working in the
community, there will be no absurdity in expecting that the mass of
mankind having power, and becoming enlightened about the higher
possibilities of human life, when they learn how much more is attainable for
all than is at present the possession of a favoured few, may pursue the
common interest with an intelligence and persistency which mankind have
hitherto never seen.
Now that the world has once been set in motion, and is no longer held
fast under the tyranny of custom and ignorance; now that criticism has
pierced the veil of tradition and the past no longer overpowers the present,
—the progress of civilization may be expected to be far greater and swifter
than heretofore. Even at our present rate of speed the point at which we may
arrive in two or three generations is beyond the power of imagination to
foresee. There are forces in the world which work, not in an arithmetical,
but in a geometrical ratio of increase. Education, to use the expression of
Plato, moves like a wheel with an ever-multiplying rapidity. Nor can we say
how great may be its influence, when it becomes universal,—when it has
been inherited by many generations,—when it is freed from the trammels of
superstition and rightly adapted to the wants and capacities of different
classes of men and women. Neither do we know how much more the co-
operation of minds or of hands may be capable of accomplishing, whether
in labour or in study. The resources of the natural sciences are not half-
developed as yet; the soil of the earth, instead of growing more barren, may
become many times more fertile than hitherto; the uses of machinery far
greater, and also more minute than at present. New secrets of physiology
may be revealed, deeply affecting human nature in its innermost recesses.
The standard of health may be raised and the lives of men prolonged by
sanitary and medical knowledge. There may be peace, there may be leisure,
there may be innocent refreshments of many kinds. The ever-increasing
power of locomotion may join the extremes of earth. There may be
mysterious workings of the human mind, such as occur only at great crises
of history. The East and the West may meet together, and all nations may
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humanity. Many other elements enter into a speculation of this kind. But it
is better to make an end of them. For such reflections appear to the majority
far-fetched, and to men of science, commonplace.
(b) Neither to the mind of Plato nor of Aristotle did the doctrine of
community of property present at all the same difficulty, or appear to be the
same violation of the common Hellenic sentiment, as the community of
wives and children. This paradox he prefaces by another proposal, that the
occupations of men and women shall be the same, and that to this end they
shall have a common training and education. Male and female animals have
the same pursuits—why not also the two sexes of man?
But have we not here fallen into a contradiction? for we were saying that
different natures should have different pursuits. How then can men and
women have the same? And is not the proposal inconsistent with our notion
of the division of labour?—These objections are no sooner raised than
answered; for, according to Plato, there is no organic difference between
men and women, but only the accidental one that men beget and women
bear children. Following the analogy of the other animals, he contends that
all natural gifts are scattered about indifferently among both sexes, though
there may be a superiority of degree on the part of the men. The objection
on the score of decency to their taking part in the same gymnastic exercises,
is met by Plato’s assertion that the existing feeling is a matter of habit.
That Plato should have emancipated himself from the ideas of his own
country and from the example of the East, shows a wonderful independence
of mind. He is conscious that women are half the human race, in some
respects the more important half (Laws); and for the sake both of men and
women he desires to raise the woman to a higher level of existence. He
brings, not sentiment, but philosophy to bear upon a question which both in
ancient and modern times has been chiefly regarded in the light of custom
or feeling. The Greeks had noble conceptions of womanhood in the
goddesses Athene and Artemis, and in the heroines Antigone and
Andromache. But these ideals had no counterpart in actual life. The
Athenian woman was in no way the equal of her husband; she was not the
entertainer of his guests or the mistress of his house, but only his
housekeeper and the mother of his children. She took no part in military or
political matters; nor is there any instance in the later ages of Greece of a
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the least renown among men,’ is the historian’s conception of feminine
excellence. A very different ideal of womanhood is held up by Plato to the
world; she is to be the companion of the man, and to share with him in the
toils of war and in the cares of government. She is to be similarly trained
both in bodily and mental exercises. She is to lose as far as possible the
incidents of maternity and the characteristics of the female sex.
The modern antagonist of the equality of the sexes would argue that the
differences between men and women are not confined to the single point
urged by Plato; that sensibility, gentleness, grace, are the qualities of
women, while energy, strength, higher intelligence, are to be looked for in
men. And the criticism is just: the differences affect the whole nature, and
are not, as Plato supposes, confined to a single point. But neither can we say
how far these differences are due to education and the opinions of mankind,
or physically inherited from the habits and opinions of former generations.
Women have been always taught, not exactly that they are slaves, but that
they are in an inferior position, which is also supposed to have
compensating advantages; and to this position they have conformed. It is
also true that the physical form may easily change in the course of
generations through the mode of life; and the weakness or delicacy, which
was once a matter of opinion, may become a physical fact. The
characteristics of sex vary greatly in different countries and ranks of society,
and at different ages in the same individuals. Plato may have been right in
denying that there was any ultimate difference in the sexes of man other
than that which exists in animals, because all other differences may be
conceived to disappear in other states of society, or under different
circumstances of life and training.
The first wave having been passed, we proceed to the second—
community of wives and children. ‘Is it possible? Is it desirable?’ For as
Glaucon intimates, and as we far more strongly insist, ‘Great doubts may be
entertained about both these points.’ Any free discussion of the question is
impossible, and mankind are perhaps right in not allowing the ultimate
bases of social life to be examined. Few of us can safely enquire into the
things which nature hides, any more than we can dissect our own bodies.
Still, the manner in which Plato arrived at his conclusions should be
considered. For here, as Mr. Grote has remarked, is a wonderful thing, that
one of the wisest and best of men should have entertained ideas of morality
which are wholly at variance with our own. And if we would do Plato

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justice, we must examine carefully the character of his proposals. First, we
may observe that the relations of the sexes supposed by him are the reverse
of licentious: he seems rather to aim at an impossible strictness. Secondly,
he conceives the family to be the natural enemy of the state; and he
entertains the serious hope that an universal brotherhood may take the place
of private interests—an aspiration which, although not justified by
experience, has possessed many noble minds. On the other hand, there is no
sentiment or imagination in the connections which men and women are
supposed by him to form; human beings return to the level of the animals,
neither exalting to heaven, nor yet abusing the natural instincts. All that
world of poetry and fancy which the passion of love has called forth in
modern literature and romance would have been banished by Plato. The
arrangements of marriage in the Republic are directed to one object—the
improvement of the race. In successive generations a great development
both of bodily and mental qualities might be possible. The analogy of
animals tends to show that mankind can within certain limits receive a
change of nature. And as in animals we should commonly choose the best
for breeding, and destroy the others, so there must be a selection made of
the human beings whose lives are worthy to be preserved.
We start back horrified from this Platonic ideal, in the belief, first, that
the higher feelings of humanity are far too strong to be crushed out;
secondly, that if the plan could be carried into execution we should be
poorly recompensed by improvements in the breed for the loss of the best
things in life. The greatest regard for the weakest and meanest of human
beings—the infant, the criminal, the insane, the idiot, truly seems to us one
of the noblest results of Christianity. We have learned, though as yet
imperfectly, that the individual man has an endless value in the sight of
God, and that we honour Him when we honour the darkened and disfigured
image of Him (Laws). This is the lesson which Christ taught in a parable
when He said, ‘Their angels do always behold the face of My Father which
is in heaven.’ Such lessons are only partially realized in any age; they were
foreign to the age of Plato, as they have very different degrees of strength in
different countries or ages of the Christian world. To the Greek the family
was a religious and customary institution binding the members together by
a tie inferior in strength to that of friendship, and having a less solemn and
sacred sound than that of country. The relationship which existed on the
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of nature and reason; while from the modern and Christian point of view we
regard him as sanctioning murder and destroying the first principles of
morality.
The great error in these and similar speculations is that the difference
between man and the animals is forgotten in them. The human being is
regarded with the eye of a dog- or bird-fancier, or at best of a slave-owner;
the higher or human qualities are left out. The breeder of animals aims
chiefly at size or speed or strength; in a few cases at courage or temper;
most often the fitness of the animal for food is the great desideratum. But
mankind are not bred to be eaten, nor yet for their superiority in fighting or
in running or in drawing carts. Neither does the improvement of the human
race consist merely in the increase of the bones and flesh, but in the growth
and enlightenment of the mind. Hence there must be ‘a marriage of true
minds’ as well as of bodies, of imagination and reason as well as of lusts
and instincts. Men and women without feeling or imagination are justly
called brutes; yet Plato takes away these qualities and puts nothing in their
place, not even the desire of a noble offspring, since parents are not to know
their own children. The most important transaction of social life, he who is
the idealist philosopher converts into the most brutal. For the pair are to
have no relation to one another, except at the hymeneal festival; their
children are not theirs, but the state’s; nor is any tie of affection to unite
them. Yet here the analogy of the animals might have saved Plato from a
gigantic error, if he had ‘not lost sight of his own illustration.’ For the
‘nobler sort of birds and beasts’ nourish and protect their offspring and are
faithful to one another.
An eminent physiologist thinks it worth while ‘to try and place life on a
physical basis.’ But should not life rest on the moral rather than upon the
physical? The higher comes first, then the lower, first the human and
rational, afterwards the animal. Yet they are not absolutely divided; and in
times of sickness or moments of self-indulgence they seem to be only
different aspects of a common human nature which includes them both.
Neither is the moral the limit of the physical, but the expansion and
enlargement of it,—the highest form which the physical is capable of
receiving. As Plato would say, the body does not take care of the body, and
still less of the mind, but the mind takes care of both. In all human action
not that which is common to man and the animals is the characteristic
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physical basis, and resolve all virtue into health of body ‘la facon que notre
sang circule,’ still on merely physical grounds we must come back to ideas.
Mind and reason and duty and conscience, under these or other names, are
always reappearing. There cannot be health of body without health of mind;
nor health of mind without the sense of duty and the love of truth (Charm).
That the greatest of ancient philosophers should in his regulations about
marriage have fallen into the error of separating body and mind, does
indeed appear surprising. Yet the wonder is not so much that Plato should
have entertained ideas of morality which to our own age are revolting, but
that he should have contradicted himself to an extent which is hardly
credible, falling in an instant from the heaven of idealism into the crudest
animalism. Rejoicing in the newly found gift of reflection, he appears to
have thought out a subject about which he had better have followed the
enlightened feeling of his own age. The general sentiment of Hellas was
opposed to his monstrous fancy. The old poets, and in later time the
tragedians, showed no want of respect for the family, on which much of
their religion was based. But the example of Sparta, and perhaps in some
degree the tendency to defy public opinion, seems to have misled him. He
will make one family out of all the families of the state. He will select the
finest specimens of men and women and breed from these only.
Yet because the illusion is always returning (for the animal part of human
nature will from time to time assert itself in the disguise of philosophy as
well as of poetry), and also because any departure from established
morality, even where this is not intended, is apt to be unsettling, it may be
worth while to draw out a little more at length the objections to the Platonic
marriage. In the first place, history shows that wherever polygamy has been
largely allowed the race has deteriorated. One man to one woman is the law
of God and nature. Nearly all the civilized peoples of the world at some
period before the age of written records, have become monogamists; and
the step when once taken has never been retraced. The exceptions occurring
among Brahmins or Mahometans or the ancient Persians, are of that sort
which may be said to prove the rule. The connexions formed between
superior and inferior races hardly ever produce a noble offspring, because
they are licentious; and because the children in such cases usually despise
the mother and are neglected by the father who is ashamed of them.
Barbarous nations when they are introduced by Europeans to vice die out;
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or dwindle in numbers, or both. Dynasties and aristocracies which have
disregarded the laws of nature have decreased in numbers and degenerated
in stature; ‘mariages de convenance’ leave their enfeebling stamp on the
offspring of them (King Lear). The marriage of near relations, or the
marrying in and in of the same family tends constantly to weakness or
idiocy in the children, sometimes assuming the form as they grow older of
passionate licentiousness. The common prostitute rarely has any offspring.
By such unmistakable evidence is the authority of morality asserted in the
relations of the sexes: and so many more elements enter into this ‘mystery’
than are dreamed of by Plato and some other philosophers.
Recent enquirers have indeed arrived at the conclusion that among
primitive tribes there existed a community of wives as of property, and that
the captive taken by the spear was the only wife or slave whom any man
was permitted to call his own. The partial existence of such customs among
some of the lower races of man, and the survival of peculiar ceremonies in
the marriages of some civilized nations, are thought to furnish a proof of
similar institutions having been once universal. There can be no question
that the study of anthropology has considerably changed our views
respecting the first appearance of man upon the earth. We know more about
the aborigines of the world than formerly, but our increasing knowledge
shows above all things how little we know. With all the helps which written
monuments afford, we do but faintly realize the condition of man two
thousand or three thousand years ago. Of what his condition was when
removed to a distance 200,000 or 300,000 years, when the majority of
mankind were lower and nearer the animals than any tribe now existing
upon the earth, we cannot even entertain conjecture. Plato (Laws) and
Aristotle (Metaph.) may have been more right than we imagine in
supposing that some forms of civilisation were discovered and lost several
times over. If we cannot argue that all barbarism is a degraded civilization,
neither can we set any limits to the depth of degradation to which the
human race may sink through war, disease, or isolation. And if we are to
draw inferences about the origin of marriage from the practice of barbarous
nations, we should also consider the remoter analogy of the animals. Many
birds and animals, especially the carnivorous, have only one mate, and the
love and care of offspring which seems to be natural is inconsistent with the
primitive theory of marriage. If we go back to an imaginary state in which
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right to argue from what is animal to what is human as from the barbarous
to the civilized man. The record of animal life on the globe is fragmentary,
—the connecting links are wanting and cannot be supplied; the record of
social life is still more fragmentary and precarious. Even if we admit that
our first ancestors had no such institution as marriage, still the stages by
which men passed from outer barbarism to the comparative civilization of
China, Assyria, and Greece, or even of the ancient Germans, are wholly
unknown to us.
Such speculations are apt to be unsettling, because they seem to show
that an institution which was thought to be a revelation from heaven, is only
the growth of history and experience. We ask what is the origin of marriage,
and we are told that like the right of property, after many wars and contests,
it has gradually arisen out of the selfishness of barbarians. We stand face to
face with human nature in its primitive nakedness. We are compelled to
accept, not the highest, but the lowest account of the origin of human
society. But on the other hand we may truly say that every step in human
progress has been in the same direction, and that in the course of ages the
idea of marriage and of the family has been more and more defined and
consecrated. The civilized East is immeasurably in advance of any savage
tribes; the Greeks and Romans have improved upon the East; the Christian
nations have been stricter in their views of the marriage relation than any of
the ancients. In this as in so many other things, instead of looking back with
regret to the past, we should look forward with hope to the future. We must
consecrate that which we believe to be the most holy, and that ‘which is the
most holy will be the most useful.’ There is more reason for maintaining the
sacredness of the marriage tie, when we see the benefit of it, than when we
only felt a vague religious horror about the violation of it. But in all times
of transition, when established beliefs are being undermined, there is a
danger that in the passage from the old to the new we may insensibly let go
the moral principle, finding an excuse for listening to the voice of passion
in the uncertainty of knowledge, or the fluctuations of opinion. And there
are many persons in our own day who, enlightened by the study of
anthropology, and fascinated by what is new and strange, some using the
language of fear, others of hope, are inclined to believe that a time will
come when through the self-assertion of women, or the rebellious spirit of
children, by the analysis of human relations, or by the force of outward
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They point to societies in America and elsewhere which tend to show that
the destruction of the family need not necessarily involve the overthrow of
all morality. Wherever we may think of such speculations, we can hardly
deny that they have been more rife in this generation than in any other; and
whither they are tending, who can predict?
To the doubts and queries raised by these ‘social reformers’ respecting
the relation of the sexes and the moral nature of man, there is a sufficient
answer, if any is needed. The difference about them and us is really one of
fact. They are speaking of man as they wish or fancy him to be, but we are
speaking of him as he is. They isolate the animal part of his nature; we
regard him as a creature having many sides, or aspects, moving between
good and evil, striving to rise above himself and to become ‘a little lower
than the angels.’ We also, to use a Platonic formula, are not ignorant of the
dissatisfactions and incompatibilities of family life, of the meannesses of
trade, of the flatteries of one class of society by another, of the impediments
which the family throws in the way of lofty aims and aspirations. But we
are conscious that there are evils and dangers in the background greater
still, which are not appreciated, because they are either concealed or
suppressed. What a condition of man would that be, in which human
passions were controlled by no authority, divine or human, in which there
was no shame or decency, no higher affection overcoming or sanctifying the
natural instincts, but simply a rule of health! Is it for this that we are asked
to throw away the civilization which is the growth of ages?
For strength and health are not the only qualities to be desired; there are
the more important considerations of mind and character and soul. We
know how human nature may be degraded; we do not know how by
artificial means any improvement in the breed can be effected. The problem
is a complex one, for if we go back only four steps (and these at least enter
into the composition of a child), there are commonly thirty progenitors to be
taken into account. Many curious facts, rarely admitting of proof, are told
us respecting the inheritance of disease or character from a remote ancestor.
We can trace the physical resemblances of parents and children in the same
family—
‘Sic oculos, sic ille manus, sic ora ferebat’;
but scarcely less often the differences which distinguish children both
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peculiarities running in families, and again of a tendency, as in the animals,
to revert to a common or original stock. But we have a difficulty in
distinguishing what is a true inheritance of genius or other qualities, and
what is mere imitation or the result of similar circumstances. Great men and
great women have rarely had great fathers and mothers. Nothing that we
know of in the circumstances of their birth or lineage will explain their
appearance. Of the English poets of the last and two preceding centuries
scarcely a descendant remains,—none have ever been distinguished. So
deeply has nature hidden her secret, and so ridiculous is the fancy which
has been entertained by some that we might in time by suitable marriage
arrangements or, as Plato would have said, ‘by an ingenious system of lots,’
produce a Shakespeare or a Milton. Even supposing that we could breed
men having the tenacity of bulldogs, or, like the Spartans, ‘lacking the wit
to run away in battle,’ would the world be any the better? Many of the
noblest specimens of the human race have been among the weakest
physically. Tyrtaeus or Aesop, or our own Newton, would have been
exposed at Sparta; and some of the fairest and strongest men and women
have been among the wickedest and worst. Not by the Platonic device of
uniting the strong and fair with the strong and fair, regardless of sentiment
and morality, nor yet by his other device of combining dissimilar natures
(Statesman), have mankind gradually passed from the brutality and
licentiousness of primitive marriage to marriage Christian and civilized.
Few persons would deny that we bring into the world an inheritance of
mental and physical qualities derived first from our parents, or through
them from some remoter ancestor, secondly from our race, thirdly from the
general condition of mankind into which we are born. Nothing is commoner
than the remark, that ‘So and so is like his father or his uncle’; and an aged
person may not unfrequently note a resemblance in a youth to a long-
forgotten ancestor, observing that ‘Nature sometimes skips a generation.’ It
may be true also, that if we knew more about our ancestors, these
similarities would be even more striking to us. Admitting the facts which
are thus described in a popular way, we may however remark that there is
no method of difference by which they can be defined or estimated, and that
they constitute only a small part of each individual. The doctrine of heredity
may seem to take out of our hands the conduct of our own lives, but it is the
idea, not the fact, which is really terrible to us. For what we have received
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knowledge that drunkenness or insanity has been prevalent in a family may
be the best safeguard against their recurrence in a future generation. The
parent will be most awake to the vices or diseases in his child of which he is
most sensible within himself. The whole of life may be directed to their
prevention or cure. The traces of consumption may become fainter, or be
wholly effaced: the inherent tendency to vice or crime may be eradicated.
And so heredity, from being a curse, may become a blessing. We
acknowledge that in the matter of our birth, as in our nature generally, there
are previous circumstances which affect us. But upon this platform of
circumstances or within this wall of necessity, we have still the power of
creating a life for ourselves by the informing energy of the human will.
There is another aspect of the marriage question to which Plato is a
stranger. All the children born in his state are foundlings. It never occurred
to him that the greater part of them, according to universal experience,
would have perished. For children can only be brought up in families. There
is a subtle sympathy between the mother and the child which cannot be
supplied by other mothers, or by ‘strong nurses one or more’ (Laws). If
Plato’s ‘pen’ was as fatal as the Creches of Paris, or the foundling hospital
of Dublin, more than nine-tenths of his children would have perished. There
would have been no need to expose or put out of the way the weaklier
children, for they would have died of themselves. So emphatically does
nature protest against the destruction of the family.
What Plato had heard or seen of Sparta was applied by him in a mistaken
way to his ideal commonwealth. He probably observed that both the
Spartan men and women were superior in form and strength to the other
Greeks; and this superiority he was disposed to attribute to the laws and
customs relating to marriage. He did not consider that the desire of a noble
offspring was a passion among the Spartans, or that their physical
superiority was to be attributed chiefly, not to their marriage customs, but to
their temperance and training. He did not reflect that Sparta was great, not
in consequence of the relaxation of morality, but in spite of it, by virtue of a
political principle stronger far than existed in any other Grecian state. Least
of all did he observe that Sparta did not really produce the finest specimens
of the Greek race. The genius, the political inspiration of Athens, the love of
liberty—all that has made Greece famous with posterity, were wanting
among the Spartans. They had no Themistocles, or Pericles, or Aeschylus,
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appear above the state; the laws were fixed, and he had no business to alter
or reform them. Yet whence has the progress of cities and nations arisen, if
not from remarkable individuals, coming into the world we know not how,
and from causes over which we have no control? Something too much may
have been said in modern times of the value of individuality. But we can
hardly condemn too strongly a system which, instead of fostering the
scattered seeds or sparks of genius and character, tends to smother and
extinguish them.
Still, while condemning Plato, we must acknowledge that neither
Christianity, nor any other form of religion and society, has hitherto been
able to cope with this most difficult of social problems, and that the side
from which Plato regarded it is that from which we turn away. Population is
the most untameable force in the political and social world. Do we not find,
especially in large cities, that the greatest hindrance to the amelioration of
the poor is their improvidence in marriage?—a small fault truly, if not
involving endless consequences. There are whole countries too, such as
India, or, nearer home, Ireland, in which a right solution of the marriage
question seems to lie at the foundation of the happiness of the community.
There are too many people on a given space, or they marry too early and
bring into the world a sickly and half-developed offspring; or owing to the
very conditions of their existence, they become emaciated and hand on a
similar life to their descendants. But who can oppose the voice of prudence
to the ‘mightiest passions of mankind’ (Laws), especially when they have
been licensed by custom and religion? In addition to the influences of
education, we seem to require some new principles of right and wrong in
these matters, some force of opinion, which may indeed be already heard
whispering in private, but has never affected the moral sentiments of
mankind in general. We unavoidably lose sight of the principle of utility,
just in that action of our lives in which we have the most need of it. The
influences which we can bring to bear upon this question are chiefly
indirect. In a generation or two, education, emigration, improvements in
agriculture and manufactures, may have provided the solution. The state
physician hardly likes to probe the wound: it is beyond his art; a matter
which he cannot safely let alone, but which he dare not touch:
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When again in private life we see a whole family one by one dropping
into the grave under the Ate of some inherited malady, and the parents
perhaps surviving them, do our minds ever go back silently to that day
twenty-five or thirty years before on which under the fairest auspices, amid
the rejoicings of friends and acquaintances, a bride and bridegroom joined
hands with one another? In making such a reflection we are not opposing
physical considerations to moral, but moral to physical; we are seeking to
make the voice of reason heard, which drives us back from the
extravagance of sentimentalism on common sense. The late Dr. Combe is
said by his biographer to have resisted the temptation to marriage, because
he knew that he was subject to hereditary consumption. One who deserved
to be called a man of genius, a friend of my youth, was in the habit of
wearing a black ribbon on his wrist, in order to remind him that, being
liable to outbreaks of insanity, he must not give way to the natural impulses
of affection: he died unmarried in a lunatic asylum. These two little facts
suggest the reflection that a very few persons have done from a sense of
duty what the rest of mankind ought to have done under like circumstances,
if they had allowed themselves to think of all the misery which they were
about to bring into the world. If we could prevent such marriages without
any violation of feeling or propriety, we clearly ought; and the prohibition
in the course of time would be protected by a ‘horror naturalis’ similar to
that which, in all civilized ages and countries, has prevented the marriage of
near relations by blood. Mankind would have been the happier, if some
things which are now allowed had from the beginning been denied to them;
if the sanction of religion could have prohibited practices inimical to health;
if sanitary principles could in early ages have been invested with a
superstitious awe. But, living as we do far on in the world’s history, we are
no longer able to stamp at once with the impress of religion a new
prohibition. A free agent cannot have his fancies regulated by law; and the
execution of the law would be rendered impossible, owing to the
uncertainty of the cases in which marriage was to be forbidden. Who can
weigh virtue, or even fortune against health, or moral and mental qualities
against bodily? Who can measure probabilities against certainties? There
has been some good as well as evil in the discipline of suffering; and there
are diseases, such as consumption, which have exercised a refining and
softening influence on the character. Youth is too inexperienced to balance
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them too late. They are at a distance and may probably be averted; change
of place, a new state of life, the interests of a home may be the cure of
them. So persons vainly reason when their minds are already made up and
their fortunes irrevocably linked together. Nor is there any ground for
supposing that marriages are to any great extent influenced by reflections of
this sort, which seem unable to make any head against the irresistible
impulse of individual attachment.
Lastly, no one can have observed the first rising flood of the passions in
youth, the difficulty of regulating them, and the effects on the whole mind
and nature which follow from them, the stimulus which is given to them by
the imagination, without feeling that there is something unsatisfactory in
our method of treating them. That the most important influence on human
life should be wholly left to chance or shrouded in mystery, and instead of
being disciplined or understood, should be required to conform only to an
external standard of propriety—cannot be regarded by the philosopher as a
safe or satisfactory condition of human things. And still those who have the
charge of youth may find a way by watchfulness, by affection, by the
manliness and innocence of their own lives, by occasional hints, by general
admonitions which every one can apply for himself, to mitigate this terrible
evil which eats out the heart of individuals and corrupts the moral
sentiments of nations. In no duty towards others is there more need of
reticence and self-restraint. So great is the danger lest he who would be the
counsellor of another should reveal the secret prematurely, lest he should
get another too much into his power; or fix the passing impression of evil
by demanding the confession of it.
Nor is Plato wrong in asserting that family attachments may interfere
with higher aims. If there have been some who ‘to party gave up what was
meant for mankind,’ there have certainly been others who to family gave up
what was meant for mankind or for their country. The cares of children, the
necessity of procuring money for their support, the flatteries of the rich by
the poor, the exclusiveness of caste, the pride of birth or wealth, the
tendency of family life to divert men from the pursuit of the ideal or the
heroic, are as lowering in our own age as in that of Plato. And if we prefer
to look at the gentle influences of home, the development of the affections,
the amenities of society, the devotion of one member of a family for the
good of the others, which form one side of the picture, we must not quarrel
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to us the reverse. Without attempting to defend Plato on grounds of
morality, we may allow that there is an aspect of the world which has not
unnaturally led him into error.
We hardly appreciate the power which the idea of the State, like all other
abstract ideas, exercised over the mind of Plato. To us the State seems to be
built up out of the family, or sometimes to be the framework in which
family and social life is contained. But to Plato in his present mood of mind
the family is only a disturbing influence which, instead of filling up, tends
to disarrange the higher unity of the State. No organization is needed except
a political, which, regarded from another point of view, is a military one.
The State is all-sufficing for the wants of man, and, like the idea of the
Church in later ages, absorbs all other desires and affections. In time of war
the thousand citizens are to stand like a rampart impregnable against the
world or the Persian host; in time of peace the preparation for war and their
duties to the State, which are also their duties to one another, take up their
whole life and time. The only other interest which is allowed to them
besides that of war, is the interest of philosophy. When they are too old to
be soldiers they are to retire from active life and to have a second novitiate
of study and contemplation. There is an element of monasticism even in
Plato’s communism. If he could have done without children, he might have
converted his Republic into a religious order. Neither in the Laws, when the
daylight of common sense breaks in upon him, does he retract his error. In
the state of which he would be the founder, there is no marrying or giving in
marriage: but because of the infirmity of mankind, he condescends to allow
the law of nature to prevail.
(c) But Plato has an equal, or, in his own estimation, even greater
paradox in reserve, which is summed up in the famous text, ‘Until kings are
philosophers or philosophers are kings, cities will never cease from ill.’ And
by philosophers he explains himself to mean those who are capable of
apprehending ideas, especially the idea of good. To the attainment of this
higher knowledge the second education is directed. Through a process of
training which has already made them good citizens they are now to be
made good legislators. We find with some surprise (not unlike the feeling
which Aristotle in a well-known passage describes the hearers of Plato’s
lectures as experiencing, when they went to a discourse on the idea of good,
expecting to be instructed in moral truths, and received instead of them
arithmetical and mathematical formulae) that Plato does not propose for his

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future legislators any study of finance or law or military tactics, but only of
abstract mathematics, as a preparation for the still more abstract conception
of good. We ask, with Aristotle, What is the use of a man knowing the idea
of good, if he does not know what is good for this individual, this state, this
condition of society? We cannot understand how Plato’s legislators or
guardians are to be fitted for their work of statesmen by the study of the five
mathematical sciences. We vainly search in Plato’s own writings for any
explanation of this seeming absurdity.
The discovery of a great metaphysical conception seems to ravish the
mind with a prophetic consciousness which takes away the power of
estimating its value. No metaphysical enquirer has ever fairly criticised his
own speculations; in his own judgment they have been above criticism; nor
has he understood that what to him seemed to be absolute truth may
reappear in the next generation as a form of logic or an instrument of
thought. And posterity have also sometimes equally misapprehended the
real value of his speculations. They appear to them to have contributed
nothing to the stock of human knowledge. The IDEA of good is apt to be
regarded by the modern thinker as an unmeaning abstraction; but he forgets
that this abstraction is waiting ready for use, and will hereafter be filled up
by the divisions of knowledge. When mankind do not as yet know that the
world is subject to law, the introduction of the mere conception of law or
design or final cause, and the far-off anticipation of the harmony of
knowledge, are great steps onward. Even the crude generalization of the
unity of all things leads men to view the world with different eyes, and may
easily affect their conception of human life and of politics, and also their
own conduct and character (Tim). We can imagine how a great mind like
that of Pericles might derive elevation from his intercourse with
Anaxagoras (Phaedr.). To be struggling towards a higher but unattainable
conception is a more favourable intellectual condition than to rest satisfied
in a narrow portion of ascertained fact. And the earlier, which have
sometimes been the greater ideas of science, are often lost sight of at a later
period. How rarely can we say of any modern enquirer in the magnificent
language of Plato, that ‘He is the spectator of all time and of all existence!’
Nor is there anything unnatural in the hasty application of these vast
metaphysical conceptions to practical and political life. In the first
enthusiasm of ideas men are apt to see them everywhere, and to apply them
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ages is required to enable them to fill up ‘the intermediate axioms.’ Plato
himself seems to have imagined that the truths of psychology, like those of
astronomy and harmonics, would be arrived at by a process of deduction,
and that the method which he has pursued in the Fourth Book, of inferring
them from experience and the use of language, was imperfect and only
provisional. But when, after having arrived at the idea of good, which is the
end of the science of dialectic, he is asked, What is the nature, and what are
the divisions of the science? He refuses to answer, as if intending by the
refusal to intimate that the state of knowledge which then existed was not
such as would allow the philosopher to enter into his final rest. The
previous sciences must first be studied, and will, we may add, continue to
be studied till the end of time, although in a sense different from any which
Plato could have conceived. But we may observe, that while he is aware of
the vacancy of his own ideal, he is full of enthusiasm in the contemplation
of it. Looking into the orb of light, he sees nothing, but he is warmed and
elevated. The Hebrew prophet believed that faith in God would enable him
to govern the world; the Greek philosopher imagined that contemplation of
the good would make a legislator. There is as much to be filled up in the
one case as in the other, and the one mode of conception is to the Israelite
what the other is to the Greek. Both find a repose in a divine perfection,
which, whether in a more personal or impersonal form, exists without them
and independently of them, as well as within them.
There is no mention of the idea of good in the Timaeus, nor of the divine
Creator of the world in the Republic; and we are naturally led to ask in what
relation they stand to one another. Is God above or below the idea of good?
Or is the Idea of Good another mode of conceiving God? The latter appears
to be the truer answer. To the Greek philosopher the perfection and unity of
God was a far higher conception than his personality, which he hardly
found a word to express, and which to him would have seemed to be
borrowed from mythology. To the Christian, on the other hand, or to the
modern thinker in general, it is difficult, if not impossible, to attach reality
to what he terms mere abstraction; while to Plato this very abstraction is the
truest and most real of all things. Hence, from a difference in forms of
thought, Plato appears to be resting on a creation of his own mind only. But
if we may be allowed to paraphrase the idea of good by the words
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man and nature,’ we begin to find a meeting-point between him and
ourselves.
The question whether the ruler or statesman should be a philosopher is
one that has not lost interest in modern times. In most countries of Europe
and Asia there has been some one in the course of ages who has truly united
the power of command with the power of thought and reflection, as there
have been also many false combinations of these qualities. Some kind of
speculative power is necessary both in practical and political life; like the
rhetorician in the Phaedrus, men require to have a conception of the
varieties of human character, and to be raised on great occasions above the
commonplaces of ordinary life. Yet the idea of the philosopher-statesman
has never been popular with the mass of mankind; partly because he cannot
take the world into his confidence or make them understand the motives
from which he acts; and also because they are jealous of a power which
they do not understand. The revolution which human nature desires to effect
step by step in many ages is likely to be precipitated by him in a single year
or life. They are afraid that in the pursuit of his greater aims he may
disregard the common feelings of humanity, he is too apt to be looking into
the distant future or back into the remote past, and unable to see actions or
events which, to use an expression of Plato’s ‘are tumbling out at his feet.’
Besides, as Plato would say, there are other corruptions of these
philosophical statesmen. Either ‘the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er
with the pale cast of thought,’ and at the moment when action above all
things is required he is undecided, or general principles are enunciated by
him in order to cover some change of policy; or his ignorance of the world
has made him more easily fall a prey to the arts of others; or in some cases
he has been converted into a courtier, who enjoys the luxury of holding
liberal opinions, but was never known to perform a liberal action. No
wonder that mankind have been in the habit of calling statesmen of this
class pedants, sophisters, doctrinaires, visionaries. For, as we may be
allowed to say, a little parodying the words of Plato, ‘they have seen bad
imitations of the philosopher-statesman.’ But a man in whom the power of
thought and action are perfectly balanced, equal to the present, reaching
forward to the future, ‘such a one,’ ruling in a constitutional state, ‘they
have never seen.’
But as the philosopher is apt to fail in the routine of political life, so the
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of the world is beginning to alter, and thunder is heard in the distance, he is
still guided by his old maxims, and is the slave of his inveterate party
prejudices; he cannot perceive the signs of the times; instead of looking
forward he looks back; he learns nothing and forgets nothing; with ‘wise
saws and modern instances’ he would stem the rising tide of revolution. He
lives more and more within the circle of his own party, as the world without
him becomes stronger. This seems to be the reason why the old order of
things makes so poor a figure when confronted with the new, why churches
can never reform, why most political changes are made blindly and
convulsively. The great crises in the history of nations have often been met
by an ecclesiastical positiveness, and a more obstinate reassertion of
principles which have lost their hold upon a nation. The fixed ideas of a
reactionary statesman may be compared to madness; they grow upon him,
and he becomes possessed by them; no judgement of others is ever admitted
by him to be weighed in the balance against his own.
(d) Plato, labouring under what, to modern readers, appears to have been
a confusion of ideas, assimilates the state to the individual, and fails to
distinguish Ethics from Politics. He thinks that to be most of a state which
is most like one man, and in which the citizens have the greatest uniformity
of character. He does not see that the analogy is partly fallacious, and that
the will or character of a state or nation is really the balance or rather the
surplus of individual wills, which are limited by the condition of having to
act in common. The movement of a body of men can never have the pliancy
or facility of a single man; the freedom of the individual, which is always
limited, becomes still more straitened when transferred to a nation. The
powers of action and feeling are necessarily weaker and more balanced
when they are diffused through a community; whence arises the often
discussed question, ‘Can a nation, like an individual, have a conscience?’
We hesitate to say that the characters of nations are nothing more than the
sum of the characters of the individuals who compose them; because there
may be tendencies in individuals which react upon one another. A whole
nation may be wiser than any one man in it; or may be animated by some
common opinion or feeling which could not equally have affected the mind
of a single person, or may have been inspired by a leader of genius to
perform acts more than human. Plato does not appear to have analysed the
complications which arise out of the collective action of mankind. Neither
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often have no foundation in fact, or of distinguishing between what is
intelligible or vividly present to the mind, and what is true. In this respect
he is far below Aristotle, who is comparatively seldom imposed upon by
false analogies. He cannot disentangle the arts from the virtues—at least he
is always arguing from one to the other. His notion of music is transferred
from harmony of sounds to harmony of life: in this he is assisted by the
ambiguities of language as well as by the prevalence of Pythagorean
notions. And having once assimilated the state to the individual, he
imagines that he will find the succession of states paralleled in the lives of
individuals.
Still, through this fallacious medium, a real enlargement of ideas is
attained. When the virtues as yet presented no distinct conception to the
mind, a great advance was made by the comparison of them with the arts;
for virtue is partly art, and has an outward form as well as an inward
principle. The harmony of music affords a lively image of the harmonies of
the world and of human life, and may be regarded as a splendid illustration
which was naturally mistaken for a real analogy. In the same way the
identification of ethics with politics has a tendency to give definiteness to
ethics, and also to elevate and ennoble men’s notions of the aims of
government and of the duties of citizens; for ethics from one point of view
may be conceived as an idealized law and politics; and politics, as ethics
reduced to the conditions of human society. There have been evils which
have arisen out of the attempt to identify them, and this has led to the
separation or antagonism of them, which has been introduced by modern
political writers. But we may likewise feel that something has been lost in
their separation, and that the ancient philosophers who estimated the moral
and intellectual wellbeing of mankind first, and the wealth of nations and
individuals second, may have a salutary influence on the speculations of
modern times. Many political maxims originate in a reaction against an
opposite error; and when the errors against which they were directed have
passed away, they in turn become errors.
3. Plato’s views of education are in several respects remarkable; like the
rest of the Republic they are partly Greek and partly ideal, beginning with
the ordinary curriculum of the Greek youth, and extending to after-life.
Plato is the first writer who distinctly says that education is to comprehend
the whole of life, and to be a preparation for another in which education
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Republic, and which more than any other of his ideas admits of an
application to modern life.
He has long given up the notion that virtue cannot be taught; and he is
disposed to modify the thesis of the Protagoras, that the virtues are one and
not many. He is not unwilling to admit the sensible world into his scheme of
truth. Nor does he assert in the Republic the involuntariness of vice, which
is maintained by him in the Timaeus, Sophist, and Laws (Protag., Apol.,
Gorg.). Nor do the so-called Platonic ideas recovered from a former state of
existence affect his theory of mental improvement. Still we observe in him
the remains of the old Socratic doctrine, that true knowledge must be
elicited from within, and is to be sought for in ideas, not in particulars of
sense. Education, as he says, will implant a principle of intelligence which
is better than ten thousand eyes. The paradox that the virtues are one, and
the kindred notion that all virtue is knowledge, are not entirely renounced;
the first is seen in the supremacy given to justice over the rest; the second in
the tendency to absorb the moral virtues in the intellectual, and to centre all
goodness in the contemplation of the idea of good. The world of sense is
still depreciated and identified with opinion, though admitted to be a
shadow of the true. In the Republic he is evidently impressed with the
conviction that vice arises chiefly from ignorance and may be cured by
education; the multitude are hardly to be deemed responsible for what they
do. A faint allusion to the doctrine of reminiscence occurs in the Tenth
Book; but Plato’s views of education have no more real connection with a
previous state of existence than our own; he only proposes to elicit from the
mind that which is there already. Education is represented by him, not as the
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He treats first of music or literature, which he divides into true and false,
and then goes on to gymnastics; of infancy in the Republic he takes no
notice, though in the Laws he gives sage counsels about the nursing of
children and the management of the mothers, and would have an education
which is even prior to birth. But in the Republic he begins with the age at
which the child is capable of receiving ideas, and boldly asserts, in
language which sounds paradoxical to modern ears, that he must be taught
the false before he can learn the true. The modern and ancient philosophical
world are not agreed about truth and falsehood; the one identifies truth
almost exclusively with fact, the other with ideas. This is the difference
between ourselves and Plato, which is, however, partly a difference of
words. For we too should admit that a child must receive many lessons
which he imperfectly understands; he must be taught some things in a
figure only, some too which he can hardly be expected to believe when he
grows older; but we should limit the use of fiction by the necessity of the
case. Plato would draw the line differently; according to him the aim of
early education is not truth as a matter of fact, but truth as a matter of
principle; the child is to be taught first simple religious truths, and then
simple moral truths, and insensibly to learn the lesson of good manners and
good taste. He would make an entire reformation of the old mythology; like
Xenophanes and Heracleitus he is sensible of the deep chasm which
separates his own age from Homer and Hesiod, whom he quotes and invests
with an imaginary authority, but only for his own purposes. The lusts and
treacheries of the gods are to be banished; the terrors of the world below are
to be dispelled; the misbehaviour of the Homeric heroes is not to be a
model for youth. But there is another strain heard in Homer which may
teach our youth endurance; and something may be learnt in medicine from
the simple practice of the Homeric age. The principles on which religion is
to be based are two only: first, that God is true; secondly, that he is good.
Modern and Christian writers have often fallen short of these; they can
hardly be said to have gone beyond them.
The young are to be brought up in happy surroundings, out of the way of
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to live in an atmosphere of health; the breeze is always to be wafting to
them the impressions of truth and goodness. Could such an education be
realized, or if our modern religious education could be bound up with truth
and virtue and good manners and good taste, that would be the best hope of
human improvement. Plato, like ourselves, is looking forward to changes in
the moral and religious world, and is preparing for them. He recognizes the
danger of unsettling young men’s minds by sudden changes of laws and
principles, by destroying the sacredness of one set of ideas when there is
nothing else to take their place. He is afraid too of the influence of the
drama, on the ground that it encourages false sentiment, and therefore he
would not have his children taken to the theatre; he thinks that the effect on
the spectators is bad, and on the actors still worse. His idea of education is
that of harmonious growth, in which are insensibly learnt the lessons of
temperance and endurance, and the body and mind develope in equal
proportions. The first principle which runs through all art and nature is
simplicity; this also is to be the rule of human life.
The second stage of education is gymnastic, which answers to the period
of muscular growth and development. The simplicity which is enforced in
music is extended to gymnastic; Plato is aware that the training of the body
may be inconsistent with the training of the mind, and that bodily exercise
may be easily overdone. Excessive training of the body is apt to give men a
headache or to render them sleepy at a lecture on philosophy, and this they
attribute not to the true cause, but to the nature of the subject. Two points
are noticeable in Plato’s treatment of gymnastic:—First, that the time of
training is entirely separated from the time of literary education. He seems
to have thought that two things of an opposite and different nature could not
be learnt at the same time. Here we can hardly agree with him; and, if we
may judge by experience, the effect of spending three years between the
ages of fourteen and seventeen in mere bodily exercise would be far from
improving to the intellect. Secondly, he affirms that music and gymnastic
are not, as common opinion is apt to imagine, intended, the one for the
cultivation of the mind and the other of the body, but that they are both
equally designed for the improvement of the mind. The body, in his view, is
the servant of the mind; the subjection of the lower to the higher is for the
advantage of both. And doubtless the mind may exercise a very great and
paramount influence over the body, if exerted not at particular moments and
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life. Other Greek writers saw the mischievous tendency of Spartan
discipline (Arist. Pol; Thuc.). But only Plato recognized the fundamental
error on which the practice was based.
The subject of gymnastic leads Plato to the sister subject of medicine,
which he further illustrates by the parallel of law. The modern disbelief in
medicine has led in this, as in some other departments of knowledge, to a
demand for greater simplicity; physicians are becoming aware that they
often make diseases ‘greater and more complicated’ by their treatment of
them (Rep.). In two thousand years their art has made but slender progress;
what they have gained in the analysis of the parts is in a great degree lost by
their feebler conception of the human frame as a whole. They have attended
more to the cure of diseases than to the conditions of health; and the
improvements in medicine have been more than counterbalanced by the
disuse of regular training. Until lately they have hardly thought of air and
water, the importance of which was well understood by the ancients; as
Aristotle remarks, ‘Air and water, being the elements which we most use,
have the greatest effect upon health’ (Polit.). For ages physicians have been
under the dominion of prejudices which have only recently given way; and
now there are as many opinions in medicine as in theology, and an equal
degree of scepticism and some want of toleration about both. Plato has
several good notions about medicine; according to him, ‘the eye cannot be
cured without the rest of the body, nor the body without the mind’ (Charm.).
No man of sense, he says in the Timaeus, would take physic; and we
heartily sympathize with him in the Laws when he declares that ‘the limbs
of the rustic worn with toil will derive more benefit from warm baths than
from the prescriptions of a not over wise doctor.’ But we can hardly praise
him when, in obedience to the authority of Homer, he depreciates diet, or
approve of the inhuman spirit in which he would get rid of invalid and
useless lives by leaving them to die. He does not seem to have considered
that the ‘bridle of Theages’ might be accompanied by qualities which were
of far more value to the State than the health or strength of the citizens; or
that the duty of taking care of the helpless might be an important element of
education in a State. The physician himself (this is a delicate and subtle
observation) should not be a man in robust health; he should have, in
modern phraseology, a nervous temperament; he should have experience of
disease in his own person, in order that his powers of observation may be
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The perplexity of medicine is paralleled by the perplexity of law; in
which, again, Plato would have men follow the golden rule of simplicity.
Greater matters are to be determined by the legislator or by the oracle of
Delphi, lesser matters are to be left to the temporary regulation of the
citizens themselves. Plato is aware that laissez faire is an important element
of government. The diseases of a State are like the heads of a hydra; they
multiply when they are cut off. The true remedy for them is not extirpation
but prevention. And the way to prevent them is to take care of education,
and education will take care of all the rest. So in modern times men have
often felt that the only political measure worth having—the only one which
would produce any certain or lasting effect, was a measure of national
education. And in our own more than in any previous age the necessity has
been recognized of restoring the ever-increasing confusion of law to
simplicity and common sense.
When the training in music and gymnastic is completed, there follows the
first stage of active and public life. But soon education is to begin again
from a new point of view. In the interval between the Fourth and Seventh
Books we have discussed the nature of knowledge, and have thence been
led to form a higher conception of what was required of us. For true
knowledge, according to Plato, is of abstractions, and has to do, not with
particulars or individuals, but with universals only; not with the beauties of
poetry, but with the ideas of philosophy. And the great aim of education is
the cultivation of the habit of abstraction. This is to be acquired through the
study of the mathematical sciences. They alone are capable of giving ideas
of relation, and of arousing the dormant energies of thought.
Mathematics in the age of Plato comprehended a very small part of that
which is now included in them; but they bore a much larger proportion to
the sum of human knowledge. They were the only organon of thought
which the human mind at that time possessed, and the only measure by
which the chaos of particulars could be reduced to rule and order. The
faculty which they trained was naturally at war with the poetical or
imaginative; and hence to Plato, who is everywhere seeking for abstractions
and trying to get rid of the illusions of sense, nearly the whole of education
is contained in them. They seemed to have an inexhaustible application,
partly because their true limits were not yet understood. These Plato himself
is beginning to investigate; though not aware that number and figure are
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are borrowed from the sensible world. He seeks to find the ultimate ground
of mathematical ideas in the idea of good, though he does not satisfactorily
explain the connexion between them; and in his conception of the relation
of ideas to numbers, he falls very far short of the definiteness attributed to
him by Aristotle (Met.). But if he fails to recognize the true limits of
mathematics, he also reaches a point beyond them; in his view, ideas of
number become secondary to a higher conception of knowledge. The
dialectician is as much above the mathematician as the mathematician is
above the ordinary man. The one, the self-proving, the good which is the
higher sphere of dialectic, is the perfect truth to which all things ascend, and
in which they finally repose.
This self-proving unity or idea of good is a mere vision of which no
distinct explanation can be given, relative only to a particular stage in Greek
philosophy. It is an abstraction under which no individuals are
comprehended, a whole which has no parts (Arist., Nic. Eth.). The vacancy
of such a form was perceived by Aristotle, but not by Plato. Nor did he
recognize that in the dialectical process are included two or more methods
of investigation which are at variance with each other. He did not see that
whether he took the longer or the shorter road, no advance could be made in
this way. And yet such visions often have an immense effect; for although
the method of science cannot anticipate science, the idea of science, not as
it is, but as it will be in the future, is a great and inspiring principle. In the
pursuit of knowledge we are always pressing forward to something beyond
us; and as a false conception of knowledge, for example the scholastic
philosophy, may lead men astray during many ages, so the true ideal,
though vacant, may draw all their thoughts in a right direction. It makes a
great difference whether the general expectation of knowledge, as this
indefinite feeling may be termed, is based upon a sound judgment. For
mankind may often entertain a true conception of what knowledge ought to
be when they have but a slender experience of facts. The correlation of the
sciences, the consciousness of the unity of nature, the idea of classification,
the sense of proportion, the unwillingness to stop short of certainty or to
confound probability with truth, are important principles of the higher
education. Although Plato could tell us nothing, and perhaps knew that he
could tell us nothing, of the absolute truth, he has exercised an influence on
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political and social questions may yet arise in which the thoughts of Plato
may be read anew and receive a fresh meaning.
The Idea of good is so called only in the Republic, but there are traces of
it in other dialogues of Plato. It is a cause as well as an idea, and from this
point of view may be compared with the creator of the Timaeus, who out of
his goodness created all things. It corresponds to a certain extent with the
modern conception of a law of nature, or of a final cause, or of both in one,
and in this regard may be connected with the measure and symmetry of the
Philebus. It is represented in the Symposium under the aspect of beauty, and
is supposed to be attained there by stages of initiation, as here by regular
gradations of knowledge. Viewed subjectively, it is the process or science of
dialectic. This is the science which, according to the Phaedrus, is the true
basis of rhetoric, which alone is able to distinguish the natures and classes
of men and things; which divides a whole into the natural parts, and
reunites the scattered parts into a natural or organized whole; which defines
the abstract essences or universal ideas of all things, and connects them;
which pierces the veil of hypotheses and reaches the final cause or first
principle of all; which regards the sciences in relation to the idea of good.
This ideal science is the highest process of thought, and may be described
as the soul conversing with herself or holding communion with eternal truth
and beauty, and in another form is the everlasting question and answer—the
ceaseless interrogative of Socrates. The dialogues of Plato are themselves
examples of the nature and method of dialectic. Viewed objectively, the
idea of good is a power or cause which makes the world without us
correspond with the world within. Yet this world without us is still a world
of ideas. With Plato the investigation of nature is another department of
knowledge, and in this he seeks to attain only probable conclusions
(Timaeus).
If we ask whether this science of dialectic which Plato only half explains
to us is more akin to logic or to metaphysics, the answer is that in his mind
the two sciences are not as yet distinguished, any more than the subjective
and objective aspects of the world and of man, which German philosophy
has revealed to us. Nor has he determined whether his science of dialectic is
at rest or in motion, concerned with the contemplation of absolute being, or
with a process of development and evolution. Modern metaphysics may be
described as the science of abstractions, or as the science of the evolution of
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Aristotelian forms, may be defined as the science of method. The germ of
both of them is contained in the Platonic dialectic; all metaphysicians have
something in common with the ideas of Plato; all logicians have derived
something from the method of Plato. The nearest approach in modern
philosophy to the universal science of Plato, is to be found in the Hegelian
‘succession of moments in the unity of the idea.’ Plato and Hegel alike seem
to have conceived the world as the correlation of abstractions; and not
impossibly they would have understood one another better than any of their
commentators understand them (Swift’s Voyage to Laputa. ‘Having a desire
to see those ancients who were most renowned for wit and learning, I set
apart one day on purpose. I proposed that Homer and Aristotle might appear
at the head of all their commentators; but these were so numerous that some
hundreds were forced to attend in the court and outward rooms of the
palace. I knew, and could distinguish these two heroes, at first sight, not
only from the crowd, but from each other. Homer was the taller and
comelier person of the two, walked very erect for one of his age, and his
eyes were the most quick and piercing I ever beheld. Aristotle stooped
much, and made use of a staff. His visage was meagre, his hair lank and
thin, and his voice hollow. I soon discovered that both of them were perfect
strangers to the rest of the company, and had never seen or heard of them
before. And I had a whisper from a ghost, who shall be nameless, “That
these commentators always kept in the most distant quarters from their
principals, in the lower world, through a consciousness of shame and guilt,
because they had so horribly misrepresented the meaning of these authors to
posterity.” I introduced Didymus and Eustathius to Homer, and prevailed on
him to treat them better than perhaps they deserved, for he soon found they
wanted a genius to enter into the spirit of a poet. But Aristotle was out of all
patience with the account I gave him of Scotus and Ramus, as I presented
them to him; and he asked them “whether the rest of the tribe were as great
dunces as themselves?”’). There is, however, a difference between them: for
whereas Hegel is thinking of all the minds of men as one mind, which
developes the stages of the idea in different countries or at different times in
the same country, with Plato these gradations are regarded only as an order
of thought or ideas; the history of the human mind had not yet dawned upon
him.
Many criticisms may be made on Plato’s theory of education. While in
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in advance of them. He is opposed to the modes of education which
prevailed in his own time; but he can hardly be said to have discovered new
ones. He does not see that education is relative to the characters of
individuals; he only desires to impress the same form of the state on the
minds of all. He has no sufficient idea of the effect of literature on the
formation of the mind, and greatly exaggerates that of mathematics. His aim
is above all things to train the reasoning faculties; to implant in the mind the
spirit and power of abstraction; to explain and define general notions, and,
if possible, to connect them. No wonder that in the vacancy of actual
knowledge his followers, and at times even he himself, should have fallen
away from the doctrine of ideas, and have returned to that branch of
knowledge in which alone the relation of the one and many can be truly
seen—the science of number. In his views both of teaching and training he
might be styled, in modern language, a doctrinaire; after the Spartan fashion
he would have his citizens cast in one mould; he does not seem to consider
that some degree of freedom, ‘a little wholesome neglect,’ is necessary to
strengthen and develope the character and to give play to the individual
nature. His citizens would not have acquired that knowledge which in the
vision of Er is supposed to be gained by the pilgrims from their experience
of evil.
On the other hand, Plato is far in advance of modern philosophers and
theologians when he teaches that education is to be continued through life
and will begin again in another. He would never allow education of some
kind to cease; although he was aware that the proverbial saying of Solon, ‘I
grow old learning many things,’ cannot be applied literally. Himself
ravished with the contemplation of the idea of good, and delighting in solid
geometry (Rep.), he has no difficulty in imagining that a lifetime might be
passed happily in such pursuits. We who know how many more men of
business there are in the world than real students or thinkers, are not equally
sanguine. The education which he proposes for his citizens is really the
ideal life of the philosopher or man of genius, interrupted, but only for a
time, by practical duties,—a life not for the many, but for the few.
Yet the thought of Plato may not be wholly incapable of application to
our own times. Even if regarded as an ideal which can never be realized, it
may have a great effect in elevating the characters of mankind, and raising
them above the routine of their ordinary occupation or profession. It is the
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idea of Plato is not easily put into practice. For the education of after life is
necessarily the education which each one gives himself. Men and women
cannot be brought together in schools or colleges at forty or fifty years of
age; and if they could the result would be disappointing. The destination of
most men is what Plato would call ‘the Den’ for the whole of life, and with
that they are content. Neither have they teachers or advisers with whom
they can take counsel in riper years. There is no ‘schoolmaster abroad’ who
will tell them of their faults, or inspire them with the higher sense of duty,
or with the ambition of a true success in life; no Socrates who will convict
them of ignorance; no Christ, or follower of Christ, who will reprove them
of sin. Hence they have a difficulty in receiving the first element of
improvement, which is self-knowledge. The hopes of youth no longer stir
them; they rather wish to rest than to pursue high objects. A few only who
have come across great men and women, or eminent teachers of religion
and morality, have received a second life from them, and have lighted a
candle from the fire of their genius.
The want of energy is one of the main reasons why so few persons
continue to improve in later years. They have not the will, and do not know
the way. They ‘never try an experiment,’ or look up a point of interest for
themselves; they make no sacrifices for the sake of knowledge; their minds,
like their bodies, at a certain age become fixed. Genius has been defined as
‘the power of taking pains’; but hardly any one keeps up his interest in
knowledge throughout a whole life. The troubles of a family, the business of
making money, the demands of a profession destroy the elasticity of the
mind. The waxen tablet of the memory which was once capable of
receiving ‘true thoughts and clear impressions’ becomes hard and crowded;
there is not room for the accumulations of a long life (Theaet.). The student,
as years advance, rather makes an exchange of knowledge than adds to his
stores. There is no pressing necessity to learn; the stock of Classics or
History or Natural Science which was enough for a man at twenty-five is
enough for him at fifty. Neither is it easy to give a definite answer to any
one who asks how he is to improve. For self-education consists in a
thousand things, commonplace in themselves,—in adding to what we are by
nature something of what we are not; in learning to see ourselves as others
see us; in judging, not by opinion, but by the evidence of facts; in seeking
out the society of superior minds; in a study of lives and writings of great
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natural influence of different times of life; in any act or thought which is
raised above the practice or opinions of mankind; in the pursuit of some
new or original enquiry; in any effort of mind which calls forth some latent
power.
If any one is desirous of carrying out in detail the Platonic education of
after-life, some such counsels as the following may be offered to him:—
That he shall choose the branch of knowledge to which his own mind most
distinctly inclines, and in which he takes the greatest delight, either one
which seems to connect with his own daily employment, or, perhaps,
furnishes the greatest contrast to it. He may study from the speculative side
the profession or business in which he is practically engaged. He may make
Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Plato, Bacon the friends and companions of his
life. He may find opportunities of hearing the living voice of a great teacher.
He may select for enquiry some point of history or some unexplained
phenomenon of nature. An hour a day passed in such scientific or literary
pursuits will furnish as many facts as the memory can retain, and will give
him ‘a pleasure not to be repented of’ (Timaeus). Only let him beware of
being the slave of crotchets, or of running after a Will o’ the Wisp in his
ignorance, or in his vanity of attributing to himself the gifts of a poet or
assuming the air of a philosopher. He should know the limits of his own
powers. Better to build up the mind by slow additions, to creep on quietly
from one thing to another, to gain insensibly new powers and new interests
in knowledge, than to form vast schemes which are never destined to be
realized. But perhaps, as Plato would say, ‘This is part of another subject’
(Tim.); though we may also defend our digression by his example (Theaet.).
4. We remark with surprise that the progress of nations or the natural
growth of institutions which fill modern treatises on political philosophy
seem hardly ever to have attracted the attention of Plato and Aristotle. The
ancients were familiar with the mutability of human affairs; they could
moralize over the ruins of cities and the fall of empires (Plato, Statesman,
and Sulpicius’ Letter to Cicero); by them fate and chance were deemed to
be real powers, almost persons, and to have had a great share in political
events. The wiser of them like Thucydides believed that ‘what had been
would be again,’ and that a tolerable idea of the future could be gathered
from the past. Also they had dreams of a Golden Age which existed once
upon a time and might still exist in some unknown land, or might return
again in the remote future. But the regular growth of a state enlightened by

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experience, progressing in knowledge, improving in the arts, of which the
citizens were educated by the fulfilment of political duties, appears never to
have come within the range of their hopes and aspirations. Such a state had
never been seen, and therefore could not be conceived by them. Their
experience (Aristot. Metaph.; Plato, Laws) led them to conclude that there
had been cycles of civilization in which the arts had been discovered and
lost many times over, and cities had been overthrown and rebuilt again and
again, and deluges and volcanoes and other natural convulsions had altered
the face of the earth. Tradition told them of many destructions of mankind
and of the preservation of a remnant. The world began again after a deluge
and was reconstructed out of the fragments of itself. Also they were
acquainted with empires of unknown antiquity, like the Egyptian or
Assyrian; but they had never seen them grow, and could not imagine, any
more than we can, the state of man which preceded them. They were
puzzled and awestricken by the Egyptian monuments, of which the forms,
as Plato says, not in a figure, but literally, were ten thousand years old
(Laws), and they contrasted the antiquity of Egypt with their own short
memories.
The early legends of Hellas have no real connection with the later
history: they are at a distance, and the intermediate region is concealed from
view; there is no road or path which leads from one to the other. At the
beginning of Greek history, in the vestibule of the temple, is seen standing
first of all the figure of the legislator, himself the interpreter and servant of
the God. The fundamental laws which he gives are not supposed to change
with time and circumstances. The salvation of the state is held rather to
depend on the inviolable maintenance of them. They were sanctioned by the
authority of heaven, and it was deemed impiety to alter them. The desire to
maintain them unaltered seems to be the origin of what at first sight is very
surprising to us—the intolerant zeal of Plato against innovators in religion
or politics (Laws); although with a happy inconsistency he is also willing
that the laws of other countries should be studied and improvements in
legislation privately communicated to the Nocturnal Council (Laws). The
additions which were made to them in later ages in order to meet the
increasing complexity of affairs were still ascribed by a fiction to the
original legislator; and the words of such enactments at Athens were
disputed over as if they had been the words of Solon himself. Plato hopes to
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citizens remain within the lines which he has laid down for them. He would
not harass them with minute regulations, he would have allowed some
changes in the laws: but not changes which would affect the fundamental
institutions of the state, such for example as would convert an aristocracy
into a timocracy, or a timocracy into a popular form of government.
Passing from speculations to facts, we observe that progress has been the
exception rather than the law of human history. And therefore we are not
surprised to find that the idea of progress is of modern rather than of ancient
date; and, like the idea of a philosophy of history, is not more than a century
or two old. It seems to have arisen out of the impression left on the human
mind by the growth of the Roman Empire and of the Christian Church, and
to be due to the political and social improvements which they introduced
into the world; and still more in our own century to the idealism of the first
French Revolution and the triumph of American Independence; and in a yet
greater degree to the vast material prosperity and growth of population in
England and her colonies and in America. It is also to be ascribed in a
measure to the greater study of the philosophy of history. The optimist
temperament of some great writers has assisted the creation of it, while the
opposite character has led a few to regard the future of the world as dark.
The ‘spectator of all time and of all existence’ sees more of ‘the increasing
purpose which through the ages ran’ than formerly: but to the inhabitant of
a small state of Hellas the vision was necessarily limited like the valley in
which he dwelt. There was no remote past on which his eye could rest, nor
any future from which the veil was partly lifted up by the analogy of
history. The narrowness of view, which to ourselves appears so singular,
was to him natural, if not unavoidable.
5. For the relation of the Republic to the Statesman and the Laws, and the
two other works of Plato which directly treat of politics, see the
Introductions to the two latter; a few general points of comparison may be
touched upon in this place.
And first of the Laws.
(1) The Republic, though probably written at intervals, yet speaking
generally and judging by the indications of thought and style, may be
reasonably ascribed to the middle period of Plato’s life: the Laws are
certainly the work of his declining years, and some portions of them at any
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(2) The Republic is full of hope and aspiration: the Laws bear the stamp
of failure and disappointment. The one is a finished work which received
the last touches of the author: the other is imperfectly executed, and
apparently unfinished. The one has the grace and beauty of youth: the other
has lost the poetical form, but has more of the severity and knowledge of
life which is characteristic of old age.
(3) The most conspicuous defect of the Laws is the failure of dramatic
power, whereas the Republic is full of striking contrasts of ideas and
oppositions of character.
(4) The Laws may be said to have more the nature of a sermon, the
Republic of a poem; the one is more religious, the other more intellectual.
(5) Many theories of Plato, such as the doctrine of ideas, the government
of the world by philosophers, are not found in the Laws; the immortality of
the soul is first mentioned in xii; the person of Socrates has altogether
disappeared. The community of women and children is renounced; the
institution of common or public meals for women (Laws) is for the first
time introduced (Ar. Pol.).
(6) There remains in the Laws the old enmity to the poets, who are
ironically saluted in high-flown terms, and, at the same time, are
peremptorily ordered out of the city, if they are not willing to submit their
poems to the censorship of the magistrates (Rep.).
(7) Though the work is in most respects inferior, there are a few passages
in the Laws, such as the honour due to the soul, the evils of licentious or
unnatural love, the whole of Book x. (religion), the dishonesty of retail
trade, and bequests, which come more home to us, and contain more of
what may be termed the modern element in Plato than almost anything in
the Republic.
The relation of the two works to one another is very well given:
(1) by Aristotle in the Politics from the side of the Laws:—
‘The same, or nearly the same, objections apply to Plato’s later work, the
Laws, and therefore we had better examine briefly the constitution which is
therein described. In the Republic, Socrates has definitely settled in all a
few questions only; such as the community of women and children, the
community of property, and the constitution of the state. The population is
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from this latter is taken a third class of counsellors and rulers of the state.
But Socrates has not determined whether the husbandmen and artists are to
have a share in the government, and whether they too are to carry arms and
share in military service or not. He certainly thinks that the women ought to
share in the education of the guardians, and to fight by their side. The
remainder of the work is filled up with digressions foreign to the main
subject, and with discussions about the education of the guardians. In the
Laws there is hardly anything but laws; not much is said about the
constitution. This, which he had intended to make more of the ordinary
type, he gradually brings round to the other or ideal form. For with the
exception of the community of women and property, he supposes
everything to be the same in both states; there is to be the same education;
the citizens of both are to live free from servile occupations, and there are to
be common meals in both. The only difference is that in the Laws the
common meals are extended to women, and the warriors number about
5000, but in the Republic only 1000.’
(2) by Plato in the Laws (Book v.), from the side of the Republic:—
‘The first and highest form of the state and of the government and of the
law is that in which there prevails most widely the ancient saying that
“Friends have all things in common.” Whether there is now, or ever will be,
this communion of women and children and of property, in which the
private and individual is altogether banished from life, and things which are
by nature private, such as eyes and ears and hands, have become common,
and all men express praise and blame, and feel joy and sorrow, on the same
occasions, and the laws unite the city to the utmost,—whether all this is
possible or not, I say that no man, acting upon any other principle, will ever
constitute a state more exalted in virtue, or truer or better than this. Such a
state, whether inhabited by Gods or sons of Gods, will make them blessed
who dwell therein; and therefore to this we are to look for the pattern of the
state, and to cling to this, and, as far as possible, to seek for one which is
like this. The state which we have now in hand, when created, will be
nearest to immortality and unity in the next degree; and after that, by the
grace of God, we will complete the third one. And we will begin by
speaking of the nature and origin of the second.’
The comparatively short work called the Statesman or Politicus in its
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resembles the Republic. As far as we can judge by various indications of
language and thought, it must be later than the one and of course earlier
than the other. In both the Republic and Statesman a close connection is
maintained between Politics and Dialectic. In the Statesman, enquiries into
the principles of Method are interspersed with discussions about Politics.
The comparative advantages of the rule of law and of a person are
considered, and the decision given in favour of a person (Arist. Pol.). But
much may be said on the other side, nor is the opposition necessary; for a
person may rule by law, and law may be so applied as to be the living voice
of the legislator. As in the Republic, there is a myth, describing, however,
not a future, but a former existence of mankind. The question is asked,
‘Whether the state of innocence which is described in the myth, or a state
like our own which possesses art and science and distinguishes good from
evil, is the preferable condition of man.’ To this question of the comparative
happiness of civilized and primitive life, which was so often discussed in
the last century and in our own, no answer is given. The Statesman, though
less perfect in style than the Republic and of far less range, may justly be
regarded as one of the greatest of Plato’s dialogues.
6. Others as well as Plato have chosen an ideal Republic to be the vehicle
of thoughts which they could not definitely express, or which went beyond
their own age. The classical writing which approaches most nearly to the
Republic of Plato is the ‘De Republica’ of Cicero; but neither in this nor in
any other of his dialogues does he rival the art of Plato. The manners are
clumsy and inferior; the hand of the rhetorician is apparent at every turn.
Yet noble sentiments are constantly recurring: the true note of Roman
patriotism—‘We Romans are a great people’—resounds through the whole
work. Like Socrates, Cicero turns away from the phenomena of the heavens
to civil and political life. He would rather not discuss the ‘two Suns’ of
which all Rome was talking, when he can converse about ‘the two nations
in one’ which had divided Rome ever since the days of the Gracchi. Like
Socrates again, speaking in the person of Scipio, he is afraid lest he should
assume too much the character of a teacher, rather than of an equal who is
discussing among friends the two sides of a question. He would confine the
terms King or State to the rule of reason and justice, and he will not
concede that title either to a democracy or to a monarchy. But under the rule
of reason and justice he is willing to include the natural superior ruling over
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prefers a mixture of forms of government to any single one. The two
portraits of the just and the unjust, which occur in the second book of the
Republic, are transferred to the state—Philus, one of the interlocutors,
maintaining against his will the necessity of injustice as a principle of
government, while the other, Laelius, supports the opposite thesis. His
views of language and number are derived from Plato; like him he
denounces the drama. He also declares that if his life were to be twice as
long he would have no time to read the lyric poets. The picture of
democracy is translated by him word for word, though he had hardly shown
himself able to ‘carry the jest’ of Plato. He converts into a stately sentence
the humorous fancy about the animals, who ‘are so imbued with the spirit
of democracy that they make the passers-by get out of their way.’ His
description of the tyrant is imitated from Plato, but is far inferior. The
second book is historical, and claims for the Roman constitution (which is
to him the ideal) a foundation of fact such as Plato probably intended to
have given to the Republic in the Critias. His most remarkable imitation of
Plato is the adaptation of the vision of Er, which is converted by Cicero into
the ‘Somnium Scipionis’; he has ‘romanized’ the myth of the Republic,
adding an argument for the immortality of the soul taken from the Phaedrus,
and some other touches derived from the Phaedo and the Timaeus. Though
a beautiful tale and containing splendid passages, the ‘Somnium Scipionis;
is very inferior to the vision of Er; it is only a dream, and hardly allows the
reader to suppose that the writer believes in his own creation. Whether his
dialogues were framed on the model of the lost dialogues of Aristotle, as he
himself tells us, or of Plato, to which they bear many superficial
resemblances, he is still the Roman orator; he is not conversing, but making
speeches, and is never able to mould the intractable Latin to the grace and
ease of the Greek Platonic dialogue. But if he is defective in form, much
more is he inferior to the Greek in matter; he nowhere in his philosophical
writings leaves upon our minds the impression of an original thinker.
Plato’s Republic has been said to be a church and not a state; and such an
ideal of a city in the heavens has always hovered over the Christian world,
and is embodied in St. Augustine’s ‘De Civitate Dei,’ which is suggested by
the decay and fall of the Roman Empire, much in the same manner in which
we may imagine the Republic of Plato to have been influenced by the
decline of Greek politics in the writer’s own age. The difference is that in
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insensible: whereas the taking of Rome by the Goths stirred like an
earthquake the age of St. Augustine. Men were inclined to believe that the
overthrow of the city was to be ascribed to the anger felt by the old Roman
deities at the neglect of their worship. St. Augustine maintains the opposite
thesis; he argues that the destruction of the Roman Empire is due, not to the
rise of Christianity, but to the vices of Paganism. He wanders over Roman
history, and over Greek philosophy and mythology, and finds everywhere
crime, impiety and falsehood. He compares the worst parts of the Gentile
religions with the best elements of the faith of Christ. He shows nothing of
the spirit which led others of the early Christian Fathers to recognize in the
writings of the Greek philosophers the power of the divine truth. He traces
the parallel of the kingdom of God, that is, the history of the Jews,
contained in their scriptures, and of the kingdoms of the world, which are
found in gentile writers, and pursues them both into an ideal future. It need
hardly be remarked that his use both of Greek and of Roman historians and
of the sacred writings of the Jews is wholly uncritical. The heathen
mythology, the Sybilline oracles, the myths of Plato, the dreams of Neo-
Platonists are equally regarded by him as matter of fact. He must be
acknowledged to be a strictly polemical or controversial writer who makes
the best of everything on one side and the worst of everything on the other.
He has no sympathy with the old Roman life as Plato has with Greek life,
nor has he any idea of the ecclesiastical kingdom which was to arise out of
the ruins of the Roman empire. He is not blind to the defects of the
Christian Church, and looks forward to a time when Christian and Pagan
shall be alike brought before the judgment-seat, and the true City of God
shall appear...The work of St. Augustine is a curious repertory of
antiquarian learning and quotations, deeply penetrated with Christian ethics,
but showing little power of reasoning, and a slender knowledge of the
Greek literature and language. He was a great genius, and a noble character,
yet hardly capable of feeling or understanding anything external to his own
theology. Of all the ancient philosophers he is most attracted by Plato,
though he is very slightly acquainted with his writings. He is inclined to
believe that the idea of creation in the Timaeus is derived from the narrative
in Genesis; and he is strangely taken with the coincidence (?) of Plato’s
saying that ‘the philosopher is the lover of God,’ and the words of the Book
of Exodus in which God reveals himself to Moses (Exod.) He dwells at
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regarded by him as irresistible. He speaks in a very interesting manner of
the beauty and utility of nature and of the human frame, which he conceives
to afford a foretaste of the heavenly state and of the resurrection of the
body. The book is not really what to most persons the title of it would
imply, and belongs to an age which has passed away. But it contains many
fine passages and thoughts which are for all time.
The short treatise de Monarchia of Dante is by far the most remarkable of
mediaeval ideals, and bears the impress of the great genius in whom Italy
and the Middle Ages are so vividly reflected. It is the vision of an Universal
Empire, which is supposed to be the natural and necessary government of
the world, having a divine authority distinct from the Papacy, yet
coextensive with it. It is not ‘the ghost of the dead Roman Empire sitting
crowned upon the grave thereof,’ but the legitimate heir and successor of it,
justified by the ancient virtues of the Romans and the beneficence of their
rule. Their right to be the governors of the world is also confirmed by the
testimony of miracles, and acknowledged by St. Paul when he appealed to
Caesar, and even more emphatically by Christ Himself, Who could not have
made atonement for the sins of men if He had not been condemned by a
divinely authorized tribunal. The necessity for the establishment of an
Universal Empire is proved partly by a priori arguments such as the unity of
God and the unity of the family or nation; partly by perversions of Scripture
and history, by false analogies of nature, by misapplied quotations from the
classics, and by odd scraps and commonplaces of logic, showing a familiar
but by no means exact knowledge of Aristotle (of Plato there is none). But a
more convincing argument still is the miserable state of the world, which he
touchingly describes. He sees no hope of happiness or peace for mankind
until all nations of the earth are comprehended in a single empire. The
whole treatise shows how deeply the idea of the Roman Empire was fixed
in the minds of his contemporaries. Not much argument was needed to
maintain the truth of a theory which to his own contemporaries seemed so
natural and congenial. He speaks, or rather preaches, from the point of view,
not of the ecclesiastic, but of the layman, although, as a good Catholic, he is
willing to acknowledge that in certain respects the Empire must submit to
the Church. The beginning and end of all his noble reflections and of his
arguments, good and bad, is the aspiration ‘that in this little plot of earth
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inextricably is his vision of the future bound up with the beliefs and
circumstances of his own age.
The ‘Utopia’ of Sir Thomas More is a surprising monument of his genius,
and shows a reach of thought far beyond his contemporaries. The book was
written by him at the age of about 34 or 35, and is full of the generous
sentiments of youth. He brings the light of Plato to bear upon the miserable
state of his own country. Living not long after the Wars of the Roses, and in
the dregs of the Catholic Church in England, he is indignant at the
corruption of the clergy, at the luxury of the nobility and gentry, at the
sufferings of the poor, at the calamities caused by war. To the eye of More
the whole world was in dissolution and decay; and side by side with the
misery and oppression which he has described in the First Book of the
Utopia, he places in the Second Book the ideal state which by the help of
Plato he had constructed. The times were full of stir and intellectual interest.
The distant murmur of the Reformation was beginning to be heard. To
minds like More’s, Greek literature was a revelation: there had arisen an art
of interpretation, and the New Testament was beginning to be understood as
it had never been before, and has not often been since, in its natural sense.
The life there depicted appeared to him wholly unlike that of Christian
commonwealths, in which ‘he saw nothing but a certain conspiracy of rich
men procuring their own commodities under the name and title of the
Commonwealth.’ He thought that Christ, like Plato, ‘instituted all things
common,’ for which reason, he tells us, the citizens of Utopia were the more
willing to receive his doctrines (‘Howbeit, I think this was no small help
and furtherance in the matter, that they heard us say that Christ instituted
among his, all things common, and that the same community doth yet
remain in the rightest Christian communities’ (Utopia).). The community of
property is a fixed idea with him, though he is aware of the arguments
which may be urged on the other side (‘These things (I say), when I
consider with myself, I hold well with Plato, and do nothing marvel that he
would make no laws for them that refused those laws, whereby all men
should have and enjoy equal portions of riches and commodities. For the
wise men did easily foresee this to be the one and only way to the wealth of
a community, if equality of all things should be brought in and established’
(Utopia).). We wonder how in the reign of Henry VIII, though veiled in
another language and published in a foreign country, such speculations
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He is gifted with far greater dramatic invention than any one who
succeeded him, with the exception of Swift. In the art of feigning he is a
worthy disciple of Plato. Like him, starting from a small portion of fact, he
founds his tale with admirable skill on a few lines in the Latin narrative of
the voyages of Amerigo Vespucci. He is very precise about dates and facts,
and has the power of making us believe that the narrator of the tale must
have been an eyewitness. We are fairly puzzled by his manner of mixing up
real and imaginary persons; his boy John Clement and Peter Giles, citizen
of Antwerp, with whom he disputes about the precise words which are
supposed to have been used by the (imaginary) Portuguese traveller,
Raphael Hythloday. ‘I have the more cause,’ says Hythloday, ‘to fear that
my words shall not be believed, for that I know how difficultly and hardly I
myself would have believed another man telling the same, if I had not
myself seen it with mine own eyes.’ Or again: ‘If you had been with me in
Utopia, and had presently seen their fashions and laws as I did which lived
there five years and more, and would never have come thence, but only to
make the new land known here,’ etc. More greatly regrets that he forgot to
ask Hythloday in what part of the world Utopia is situated; he ‘would have
spent no small sum of money rather than it should have escaped him,’ and
he begs Peter Giles to see Hythloday or write to him and obtain an answer
to the question. After this we are not surprised to hear that a Professor of
Divinity (perhaps ‘a late famous vicar of Croydon in Surrey,’ as the
translator thinks) is desirous of being sent thither as a missionary by the
High Bishop, ‘yea, and that he may himself be made Bishop of Utopia,
nothing doubting that he must obtain this Bishopric with suit; and he
counteth that a godly suit which proceedeth not of the desire of honour or
lucre, but only of a godly zeal.’ The design may have failed through the
disappearance of Hythloday, concerning whom we have ‘very uncertain
news’ after his departure. There is no doubt, however, that he had told More
and Giles the exact situation of the island, but unfortunately at the same
moment More’s attention, as he is reminded in a letter from Giles, was
drawn off by a servant, and one of the company from a cold caught on
shipboard coughed so loud as to prevent Giles from hearing. And ‘the secret
has perished’ with him; to this day the place of Utopia remains unknown.
The words of Phaedrus, ‘O Socrates, you can easily invent Egyptians or
anything,’ are recalled to our mind as we read this lifelike fiction. Yet the
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thought. More is as free as Plato from the prejudices of his age, and far
more tolerant. The Utopians do not allow him who believes not in the
immortality of the soul to share in the administration of the state (Laws),
‘howbeit they put him to no punishment, because they be persuaded that it
is in no man’s power to believe what he list’; and ‘no man is to be blamed
for reasoning in support of his own religion (‘One of our company in my
presence was sharply punished. He, as soon as he was baptised, began,
against our wills, with more earnest affection than wisdom, to reason of
Christ’s religion, and began to wax so hot in his matter, that he did not only
prefer our religion before all other, but also did despise and condemn all
other, calling them profane, and the followers of them wicked and devilish,
and the children of everlasting damnation. When he had thus long reasoned
the matter, they laid hold on him, accused him, and condemned him into
exile, not as a despiser of religion, but as a seditious person and a raiser up
of dissension among the people’).’ In the public services ‘no prayers be
used, but such as every man may boldly pronounce without giving offence
to any sect.’ He says significantly, ‘There be that give worship to a man that
was once of excellent virtue or of famous glory, not only as God, but also
the chiefest and highest God. But the most and the wisest part, rejecting all
these, believe that there is a certain godly power unknown, far above the
capacity and reach of man’s wit, dispersed throughout all the world, not in
bigness, but in virtue and power. Him they call the Father of all. To Him
alone they attribute the beginnings, the increasings, the proceedings, the
changes, and the ends of all things. Neither give they any divine honours to
any other than him.’ So far was More from sharing the popular beliefs of his
time. Yet at the end he reminds us that he does not in all respects agree with
the customs and opinions of the Utopians which he describes. And we
should let him have the benefit of this saving clause, and not rudely
withdraw the veil behind which he has been pleased to conceal himself.
Nor is he less in advance of popular opinion in his political and moral
speculations. He would like to bring military glory into contempt; he would
set all sorts of idle people to profitable occupation, including in the same
class, priests, women, noblemen, gentlemen, and ‘sturdy and valiant
beggars,’ that the labour of all may be reduced to six hours a day. His
dislike of capital punishment, and plans for the reformation of offenders; his
detestation of priests and lawyers (Compare his satirical observation: ‘They
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his remark that ‘although every one may hear of ravenous dogs and wolves
and cruel man-eaters, it is not easy to find states that are well and wisely
governed,’ are curiously at variance with the notions of his age and indeed
with his own life. There are many points in which he shows a modern
feeling and a prophetic insight like Plato. He is a sanitary reformer; he
maintains that civilized states have a right to the soil of waste countries; he
is inclined to the opinion which places happiness in virtuous pleasures, but
herein, as he thinks, not disagreeing from those other philosophers who
define virtue to be a life according to nature. He extends the idea of
happiness so as to include the happiness of others; and he argues
ingeniously, ‘All men agree that we ought to make others happy; but if
others, how much more ourselves!’ And still he thinks that there may be a
more excellent way, but to this no man’s reason can attain unless heaven
should inspire him with a higher truth. His ceremonies before marriage; his
humane proposal that war should be carried on by assassinating the leaders
of the enemy, may be compared to some of the paradoxes of Plato. He has a
charming fancy, like the affinities of Greeks and barbarians in the Timaeus,
that the Utopians learnt the language of the Greeks with the more readiness
because they were originally of the same race with them. He is penetrated
with the spirit of Plato, and quotes or adapts many thoughts both from the
Republic and from the Timaeus. He prefers public duties to private, and is
somewhat impatient of the importunity of relations. His citizens have no
silver or gold of their own, but are ready enough to pay them to their
mercenaries. There is nothing of which he is more contemptuous than the
love of money. Gold is used for fetters of criminals, and diamonds and
pearls for children’s necklaces (When the ambassadors came arrayed in
gold and peacocks’ feathers ‘to the eyes of all the Utopians except very few,
which had been in other countries for some reasonable cause, all that
gorgeousness of apparel seemed shameful and reproachful. In so much that
they most reverently saluted the vilest and most abject of them for lords—
passing over the ambassadors themselves without any honour, judging them
by their wearing of golden chains to be bondmen. You should have seen
children also, that had cast away their pearls and precious stones, when they
saw the like sticking upon the ambassadors’ caps, dig and push their
mothers under the sides, saying thus to them—“Look, though he were a
little child still.” But the mother; yea and that also in good earnest: “Peace,
son,” saith she, “I think he be some of the ambassadors’ fools.”’)

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Like Plato he is full of satirical reflections on governments and princes;
on the state of the world and of knowledge. The hero of his discourse
(Hythloday) is very unwilling to become a minister of state, considering
that he would lose his independence and his advice would never be heeded
(Compare an exquisite passage, of which the conclusion is as follows: ‘And
verily it is naturally given...suppressed and ended.’) He ridicules the new
logic of his time; the Utopians could never be made to understand the
doctrine of Second Intentions (‘For they have not devised one of all those
rules of restrictions, amplifications, and suppositions, very wittily invented
in the small Logicals, which here our children in every place do learn.
Furthermore, they were never yet able to find out the second intentions;
insomuch that none of them all could ever see man himself in common, as
they call him, though he be (as you know) bigger than was ever any giant,
yea, and pointed to of us even with our finger.’) He is very severe on the
sports of the gentry; the Utopians count ‘hunting the lowest, the vilest, and
the most abject part of butchery.’ He quotes the words of the Republic in
which the philosopher is described ‘standing out of the way under a wall
until the driving storm of sleet and rain be overpast,’ which admit of a
singular application to More’s own fate; although, writing twenty years
before (about the year 1514), he can hardly be supposed to have foreseen
this. There is no touch of satire which strikes deeper than his quiet remark
that the greater part of the precepts of Christ are more at variance with the
lives of ordinary Christians than the discourse of Utopia (‘And yet the most
part of them is more dissident from the manners of the world now a days,
than my communication was. But preachers, sly and wily men, following
your counsel (as I suppose) because they saw men evil-willing to frame
their manners to Christ’s rule, they have wrested and wried his doctrine,
and, like a rule of lead, have applied it to men’s manners, that by some
means at the least way, they might agree together.’)
The ‘New Atlantis’ is only a fragment, and far inferior in merit to the
‘Utopia.’ The work is full of ingenuity, but wanting in creative fancy, and
by no means impresses the reader with a sense of credibility. In some places
Lord Bacon is characteristically different from Sir Thomas More, as, for
example, in the external state which he attributes to the governor of
Solomon’s House, whose dress he minutely describes, while to Sir Thomas
More such trappings appear simple ridiculous. Yet, after this programme of
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men.’ Several things are borrowed by him from the Timaeus; but he has
injured the unity of style by adding thoughts and passages which are taken
from the Hebrew Scriptures.
The ‘City of the Sun’ written by Campanella (1568-1639), a Dominican
friar, several years after the ‘New Atlantis’ of Bacon, has many
resemblances to the Republic of Plato. The citizens have wives and children
in common; their marriages are of the same temporary sort, and are
arranged by the magistrates from time to time. They do not, however, adopt
his system of lots, but bring together the best natures, male and female,
‘according to philosophical rules.’ The infants until two years of age are
brought up by their mothers in public temples; and since individuals for the
most part educate their children badly, at the beginning of their third year
they are committed to the care of the State, and are taught at first, not out of
books, but from paintings of all kinds, which are emblazoned on the walls
of the city. The city has six interior circuits of walls, and an outer wall
which is the seventh. On this outer wall are painted the figures of legislators
and philosophers, and on each of the interior walls the symbols or forms of
some one of the sciences are delineated. The women are, for the most part,
trained, like the men, in warlike and other exercises; but they have two
special occupations of their own. After a battle, they and the boys soothe
and relieve the wounded warriors; also they encourage them with embraces
and pleasant words. Some elements of the Christian or Catholic religion are
preserved among them. The life of the Apostles is greatly admired by this
people because they had all things in common; and the short prayer which
Jesus Christ taught men is used in their worship. It is a duty of the chief
magistrates to pardon sins, and therefore the whole people make secret
confession of them to the magistrates, and they to their chief, who is a sort
of Rector Metaphysicus; and by this means he is well informed of all that is
going on in the minds of men. After confession, absolution is granted to the
citizens collectively, but no one is mentioned by name. There also exists
among them a practice of perpetual prayer, performed by a succession of
priests, who change every hour. Their religion is a worship of God in
Trinity, that is of Wisdom, Love and Power, but without any distinction of
persons. They behold in the sun the reflection of His glory; mere graven
images they reject, refusing to fall under the ‘tyranny’ of idolatry.
Many details are given about their customs of eating and drinking, about
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forward to a new mode of education, which is to be a study of nature, and
not of Aristotle. He would not have his citizens waste their time in the
consideration of what he calls ‘the dead signs of things.’ He remarks that he
who knows one science only, does not really know that one any more than
the rest, and insists strongly on the necessity of a variety of knowledge.
More scholars are turned out in the City of the Sun in one year than by
contemporary methods in ten or fifteen. He evidently believes, like Bacon,
that henceforward natural science will play a great part in education, a hope
which seems hardly to have been realized, either in our own or in any
former age; at any rate the fulfilment of it has been long deferred.
There is a good deal of ingenuity and even originality in this work, and a
most enlightened spirit pervades it. But it has little or no charm of style, and
falls very far short of the ‘New Atlantis’ of Bacon, and still more of the
‘Utopia’ of Sir Thomas More. It is full of inconsistencies, and though
borrowed from Plato, shows but a superficial acquaintance with his
writings. It is a work such as one might expect to have been written by a
philosopher and man of genius who was also a friar, and who had spent
twenty-seven years of his life in a prison of the Inquisition. The most
interesting feature of the book, common to Plato and Sir Thomas More, is
the deep feeling which is shown by the writer, of the misery and ignorance
prevailing among the lower classes in his own time. Campanella takes note
of Aristotle’s answer to Plato’s community of property, that in a society
where all things are common, no individual would have any motive to work
(Arist. Pol.): he replies, that his citizens being happy and contented in
themselves (they are required to work only four hours a day), will have
greater regard for their fellows than exists among men at present. He thinks,
like Plato, that if he abolishes private feelings and interests, a great public
feeling will take their place.
Other writings on ideal states, such as the ‘Oceana’ of Harrington, in
which the Lord Archon, meaning Cromwell, is described, not as he was, but
as he ought to have been; or the ‘Argenis’ of Barclay, which is an historical
allegory of his own time, are too unlike Plato to be worth mentioning. More
interesting than either of these, and far more Platonic in style and thought,
is Sir John Eliot’s ‘Monarchy of Man,’ in which the prisoner of the Tower,
no longer able ‘to be a politician in the land of his birth,’ turns away from
politics to view ‘that other city which is within him,’ and finds on the very
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self. The change of government in the time of the English Commonwealth
set men thinking about first principles, and gave rise to many works of this
class...The great original genius of Swift owes nothing to Plato; nor is there
any trace in the conversation or in the works of Dr. Johnson of any
acquaintance with his writings. He probably would have refuted Plato
without reading him, in the same fashion in which he supposed himself to
have refuted Bishop Berkeley’s theory of the non-existence of matter. If we
except the so-called English Platonists, or rather Neo-Platonists, who never
understood their master, and the writings of Coleridge, who was to some
extent a kindred spirit, Plato has left no permanent impression on English
literature.
7. Human life and conduct are affected by ideals in the same way that
they are affected by the examples of eminent men. Neither the one nor the
other are immediately applicable to practice, but there is a virtue flowing
from them which tends to raise individuals above the common routine of
society or trade, and to elevate States above the mere interests of commerce
or the necessities of self-defence. Like the ideals of art they are partly
framed by the omission of particulars; they require to be viewed at a certain
distance, and are apt to fade away if we attempt to approach them. They
gain an imaginary distinctness when embodied in a State or in a system of
philosophy, but they still remain the visions of ‘a world unrealized.’ More
striking and obvious to the ordinary mind are the examples of great men,
who have served their own generation and are remembered in another. Even
in our own family circle there may have been some one, a woman, or even a
child, in whose face has shone forth a goodness more than human. The ideal
then approaches nearer to us, and we fondly cling to it. The ideal of the
past, whether of our own past lives or of former states of society, has a
singular fascination for the minds of many. Too late we learn that such
ideals cannot be recalled, though the recollection of them may have a
humanizing influence on other times. But the abstractions of philosophy are
to most persons cold and vacant; they give light without warmth; they are
like the full moon in the heavens when there are no stars appearing. Men
cannot live by thought alone; the world of sense is always breaking in upon
them. They are for the most part confined to a corner of earth, and see but a
little way beyond their own home or place of abode; they ‘do not lift up
their eyes to the hills’; they are not awake when the dawn appears. But in
Plato we have reached a height from which a man may look into the

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distance and behold the future of the world and of philosophy. The ideal of
the State and of the life of the philosopher; the ideal of an education
continuing through life and extending equally to both sexes; the ideal of the
unity and correlation of knowledge; the faith in good and immortality—are
the vacant forms of light on which Plato is seeking to fix the eye of
mankind.
8. Two other ideals, which never appeared above the horizon in Greek
Philosophy, float before the minds of men in our own day: one seen more
clearly than formerly, as though each year and each generation brought us
nearer to some great change; the other almost in the same degree retiring
from view behind the laws of nature, as if oppressed by them, but still
remaining a silent hope of we know not what hidden in the heart of man.
The first ideal is the future of the human race in this world; the second the
future of the individual in another. The first is the more perfect realization
of our own present life; the second, the abnegation of it: the one, limited by
experience, the other, transcending it. Both of them have been and are
powerful motives of action; there are a few in whom they have taken the
place of all earthly interests. The hope of a future for the human race at first
sight seems to be the more disinterested, the hope of individual existence
the more egotistical, of the two motives. But when men have learned to
resolve their hope of a future either for themselves or for the world into the
will of God—‘not my will but Thine,’ the difference between them falls
away; and they may be allowed to make either of them the basis of their
lives, according to their own individual character or temperament. There is
as much faith in the willingness to work for an unseen future in this world
as in another. Neither is it inconceivable that some rare nature may feel his
duty to another generation, or to another century, almost as strongly as to
his own, or that living always in the presence of God, he may realize
another world as vividly as he does this.
The greatest of all ideals may, or rather must be conceived by us under
similitudes derived from human qualities; although sometimes, like the
Jewish prophets, we may dash away these figures of speech and describe
the nature of God only in negatives. These again by degrees acquire a
positive meaning. It would be well, if when meditating on the higher truths
either of philosophy or religion, we sometimes substituted one form of
expression for another, lest through the necessities of language we should
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There is a third ideal, not the same, but akin to these, which has a place in
the home and heart of every believer in the religion of Christ, and in which
men seem to find a nearer and more familiar truth, the Divine man, the Son
of Man, the Saviour of mankind, Who is the first-born and head of the
whole family in heaven and earth, in Whom the Divine and human, that
which is without and that which is within the range of our earthly faculties,
are indissolubly united. Neither is this divine form of goodness wholly
separable from the ideal of the Christian Church, which is said in the New
Testament to be ‘His body,’ or at variance with those other images of good
which Plato sets before us. We see Him in a figure only, and of figures of
speech we select but a few, and those the simplest, to be the expression of
Him. We behold Him in a picture, but He is not there. We gather up the
fragments of His discourses, but neither do they represent Him as He truly
was. His dwelling is neither in heaven nor earth, but in the heart of man.
This is that image which Plato saw dimly in the distance, which, when
existing among men, he called, in the language of Homer, ‘the likeness of
God,’ the likeness of a nature which in all ages men have felt to be greater
and better than themselves, and which in endless forms, whether derived
from Scripture or nature, from the witness of history or from the human
heart, regarded as a person or not as a person, with or without parts or
passions, existing in space or not in space, is and will always continue to be
to mankind the Idea of Good.

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THE REPUBLIC.

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PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE.

Socrates, who is the narrator.
Glaucon.
Adeimantus.
Polemarchus.
Cephalus.
Thrasymachus.
Cleitophon.
And others who are mute auditors.
The scene is laid in the house of Cephalus at the Piraeus; and the whole
dialogue is narrated by Socrates the day after it actually took place to
Timaeus, Hermocrates, Critias, and a nameless person, who are introduced
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BOOK I.

I went down yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston,
that I might offer up my prayers to the goddess (Bendis, the Thracian
Artemis.); and also because I wanted to see in what manner they would
celebrate the festival, which was a new thing. I was delighted with the
procession of the inhabitants; but that of the Thracians was equally, if not
more, beautiful. When we had finished our prayers and viewed the
spectacle, we turned in the direction of the city; and at that instant
Polemarchus the son of Cephalus chanced to catch sight of us from a
distance as we were starting on our way home, and told his servant to run
and bid us wait for him. The servant took hold of me by the cloak behind,
and said: Polemarchus desires you to wait.
I turned round, and asked him where his master was.
There he is, said the youth, coming after you, if you will only wait.
Certainly we will, said Glaucon; and in a few minutes Polemarchus
appeared, and with him Adeimantus, Glaucon’s brother, Niceratus the son
of Nicias, and several others who had been at the procession.
Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and your
companion are already on your way to the city.
You are not far wrong, I said.
But do you see, he rejoined, how many we are?
Of course.
And are you stronger than all these? for if not, you will have to remain
where you are.
May there not be the alternative, I said, that we may persuade you to let
us go?
But can you persuade us, if we refuse to listen to you? he said.
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Then we are not going to listen; of that you may be assured.
Adeimantus added: Has no one told you of the torch-race on horseback in
honour of the goddess which will take place in the evening?
With horses! I replied: That is a novelty. Will horsemen carry torches and
pass them one to another during the race?
Yes, said Polemarchus, and not only so, but a festival will be celebrated
at night, which you certainly ought to see. Let us rise soon after supper and
see this festival; there will be a gathering of young men, and we will have a
good talk. Stay then, and do not be perverse.
Glaucon said: I suppose, since you insist, that we must.
Very good, I replied.
Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found
his brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the
Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon the son of
Aristonymus. There too was Cephalus the father of Polemarchus, whom I
had not seen for a long time, and I thought him very much aged. He was
seated on a cushioned chair, and had a garland on his head, for he had been
sacrificing in the court; and there were some other chairs in the room
arranged in a semicircle, upon which we sat down by him. He saluted me
eagerly, and then he said:—
You don’t come to see me, Socrates, as often as you ought: If I were still
able to go and see you I would not ask you to come to me. But at my age I
can hardly get to the city, and therefore you should come oftener to the
Piraeus. For let me tell you, that the more the pleasures of the body fade
away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm of conversation. Do not
then deny my request, but make our house your resort and keep company
with these young men; we are old friends, and you will be quite at home
with us.
I replied: There is nothing which for my part I like better, Cephalus, than
conversing with aged men; for I regard them as travellers who have gone a
journey which I too may have to go, and of whom I ought to enquire,
whether the way is smooth and easy, or rugged and difficult. And this is a
question which I should like to ask of you who have arrived at that time
which the poets call the ‘threshold of old age’—Is life harder towards the
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I will tell you, Socrates, he said, what my own feeling is. Men of my age
flock together; we are birds of a feather, as the old proverb says; and at our
meetings the tale of my acquaintance commonly is—I cannot eat, I cannot
drink; the pleasures of youth and love are fled away: there was a good time
once, but now that is gone, and life is no longer life. Some complain of the
slights which are put upon them by relations, and they will tell you sadly of
how many evils their old age is the cause. But to me, Socrates, these
complainers seem to blame that which is not really in fault. For if old age
were the cause, I too being old, and every other old man, would have felt as
they do. But this is not my own experience, nor that of others whom I have
known. How well I remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to
the question, How does love suit with age, Sophocles,—are you still the
man you were? Peace, he replied; most gladly have I escaped the thing of
which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad and furious master.
His words have often occurred to my mind since, and they seem as good to
me now as at the time when he uttered them. For certainly old age has a
great sense of calm and freedom; when the passions relax their hold, then,
as Sophocles says, we are freed from the grasp not of one mad master only,
but of many. The truth is, Socrates, that these regrets, and also the
complaints about relations, are to be attributed to the same cause, which is
not old age, but men’s characters and tempers; for he who is of a calm and
happy nature will hardly feel the pressure of age, but to him who is of an
opposite disposition youth and age are equally a burden.
I listened in admiration, and wanting to draw him out, that he might go
on—Yes, Cephalus, I said: but I rather suspect that people in general are not
convinced by you when you speak thus; they think that old age sits lightly
upon you, not because of your happy disposition, but because you are rich,
and wealth is well known to be a great comforter.
You are right, he replied; they are not convinced: and there is something
in what they say; not, however, so much as they imagine. I might answer
them as Themistocles answered the Seriphian who was abusing him and
saying that he was famous, not for his own merits but because he was an
Athenian: ‘If you had been a native of my country or I of yours, neither of
us would have been famous.’ And to those who are not rich and are
impatient of old age, the same reply may be made; for to the good poor man
old age cannot be a light burden, nor can a bad rich man ever have peace
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May I ask, Cephalus, whether your fortune was for the most part
inherited or acquired by you?
Acquired! Socrates; do you want to know how much I acquired? In the
art of making money I have been midway between my father and
grandfather: for my grandfather, whose name I bear, doubled and trebled
the value of his patrimony, that which he inherited being much what I
possess now; but my father Lysanias reduced the property below what it is
at present: and I shall be satisfied if I leave to these my sons not less but a
little more than I received.
That was why I asked you the question, I replied, because I see that you
are indifferent about money, which is a characteristic rather of those who
have inherited their fortunes than of those who have acquired them; the
makers of fortunes have a second love of money as a creation of their own,
resembling the affection of authors for their own poems, or of parents for
their children, besides that natural love of it for the sake of use and profit
which is common to them and all men. And hence they are very bad
company, for they can talk about nothing but the praises of wealth.
That is true, he said.
Yes, that is very true, but may I ask another question?—What do you
consider to be the greatest blessing which you have reaped from your
wealth?
One, he said, of which I could not expect easily to convince others. For
let me tell you, Socrates, that when a man thinks himself to be near death,
fears and cares enter into his mind which he never had before; the tales of a
world below and the punishment which is exacted there of deeds done here
were once a laughing matter to him, but now he is tormented with the
thought that they may be true: either from the weakness of age, or because
he is now drawing nearer to that other place, he has a clearer view of these
things; suspicions and alarms crowd thickly upon him, and he begins to
reflect and consider what wrongs he has done to others. And when he finds
that the sum of his transgressions is great he will many a time like a child
start up in his sleep for fear, and he is filled with dark forebodings. But to
him who is conscious of no sin, sweet hope, as Pindar charmingly says, is
the kind nurse of his age:
‘Hope,’ he says, ‘cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and
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hope which is mightiest to sway the restless soul of man.’
How admirable are his words! And the great blessing of riches, I do not
say to every man, but to a good man, is, that he has had no occasion to
deceive or to defraud others, either intentionally or unintentionally; and
when he departs to the world below he is not in any apprehension about
offerings due to the gods or debts which he owes to men. Now to this peace
of mind the possession of wealth greatly contributes; and therefore I say,
that, setting one thing against another, of the many advantages which wealth
has to give, to a man of sense this is in my opinion the greatest.
Well said, Cephalus, I replied; but as concerning justice, what is it?—to
speak the truth and to pay your debts—no more than this? And even to this
are there not exceptions? Suppose that a friend when in his right mind has
deposited arms with me and he asks for them when he is not in his right
mind, ought I to give them back to him? No one would say that I ought or
that I should be right in doing so, any more than they would say that I ought
always to speak the truth to one who is in his condition.
You are quite right, he replied.
But then, I said, speaking the truth and paying your debts is not a correct
definition of justice.
Quite correct, Socrates, if Simonides is to be believed, said Polemarchus
interposing.
I fear, said Cephalus, that I must go now, for I have to look after the
sacrifices, and I hand over the argument to Polemarchus and the company.
Is not Polemarchus your heir? I said.
To be sure, he answered, and went away laughing to the sacrifices.
Tell me then, O thou heir of the argument, what did Simonides say, and
according to you truly say, about justice?
He said that the repayment of a debt is just, and in saying so he appears
to me to be right.
I should be sorry to doubt the word of such a wise and inspired man, but
his meaning, though probably clear to you, is the reverse of clear to me. For
he certainly does not mean, as we were just now saying, that I ought to
return a deposit of arms or of anything else to one who asks for it when he
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True.
Then when the person who asks me is not in his right mind I am by no
means to make the return?
Certainly not.
When Simonides said that the repayment of a debt was justice, he did not
mean to include that case?
Certainly not; for he thinks that a friend ought always to do good to a
friend and never evil.
You mean that the return of a deposit of gold which is to the injury of the
receiver, if the two parties are friends, is not the repayment of a debt,—that
is what you would imagine him to say?
Yes.
And are enemies also to receive what we owe to them?
To be sure, he said, they are to receive what we owe them, and an enemy,
as I take it, owes to an enemy that which is due or proper to him—that is to
say, evil.
Simonides, then, after the manner of poets, would seem to have spoken
darkly of the nature of justice; for he really meant to say that justice is the
giving to each man what is proper to him, and this he termed a debt.
That must have been his meaning, he said.
By heaven! I replied; and if we asked him what due or proper thing is
given by medicine, and to whom, what answer do you think that he would
make to us?
He would surely reply that medicine gives drugs and meat and drink to
human bodies.
And what due or proper thing is given by cookery, and to what?
Seasoning to food.
And what is that which justice gives, and to whom?
If, Socrates, we are to be guided at all by the analogy of the preceding
instances, then justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to
enemies.
That is his meaning then?
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And who is best able to do good to his friends and evil to his enemies in
time of sickness?
The physician.
Or when they are on a voyage, amid the perils of the sea?
The pilot.
And in what sort of actions or with a view to what result is the just man
most able to do harm to his enemy and good to his friend?
In going to war against the one and in making alliances with the other.
But when a man is well, my dear Polemarchus, there is no need of a
physician?
No.
And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
No.
Then in time of peace justice will be of no use?
I am very far from thinking so.
You think that justice may be of use in peace as well as in war?
Yes.
Like husbandry for the acquisition of corn?
Yes.
Or like shoemaking for the acquisition of shoes,—that is what you mean?
Yes.
And what similar use or power of acquisition has justice in time of
peace?
In contracts, Socrates, justice is of use.
And by contracts you mean partnerships?
Exactly.
But is the just man or the skilful player a more useful and better partner
at a game of draughts?
The skilful player.
And in the laying of bricks and stones is the just man a more useful or
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Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the
harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better
partner than the just man?
In a money partnership.
Yes, Polemarchus, but surely not in the use of money; for you do not
want a just man to be your counsellor in the purchase or sale of a horse; a
man who is knowing about horses would be better for that, would he not?
Certainly.
And when you want to buy a ship, the shipwright or the pilot would be
better?
True.
Then what is that joint use of silver or gold in which the just man is to be
preferred?
When you want a deposit to be kept safely.
You mean when money is not wanted, but allowed to lie?
Precisely.
That is to say, justice is useful when money is useless?
That is the inference.
And when you want to keep a pruning-hook safe, then justice is useful to
the individual and to the state; but when you want to use it, then the art of
the vine-dresser?
Clearly.
And when you want to keep a shield or a lyre, and not to use them, you
would say that justice is useful; but when you want to use them, then the art
of the soldier or of the musician?
Certainly.
And so of all other things;—justice is useful when they are useless, and
useless when they are useful?
That is the inference.
Then justice is not good for much. But let us consider this further point:
Is not he who can best strike a blow in a boxing match or in any kind of
fighting best able to ward off a blow?
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And he who is most skilful in preventing or escaping from a disease is
best able to create one?
True.
And he is the best guard of a camp who is best able to steal a march upon
the enemy?
Certainly.
Then he who is a good keeper of anything is also a good thief?
That, I suppose, is to be inferred.
Then if the just man is good at keeping money, he is good at stealing it.
That is implied in the argument.
Then after all the just man has turned out to be a thief. And this is a
lesson which I suspect you must have learnt out of Homer; for he, speaking
of Autolycus, the maternal grandfather of Odysseus, who is a favourite of
his, affirms that
‘He was excellent above all men in theft and perjury.’
And so, you and Homer and Simonides are agreed that justice is an art of
theft; to be practised however ‘for the good of friends and for the harm of
enemies,’—that was what you were saying?
No, certainly not that, though I do not now know what I did say; but I
still stand by the latter words.
Well, there is another question: By friends and enemies do we mean
those who are so really, or only in seeming?
Surely, he said, a man may be expected to love those whom he thinks
good, and to hate those whom he thinks evil.
Yes, but do not persons often err about good and evil: many who are not
good seem to be so, and conversely?
That is true.
Then to them the good will be enemies and the evil will be their friends?
True.
And in that case they will be right in doing good to the evil and evil to
the good?
Clearly.
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True.
Then according to your argument it is just to injure those who do no
wrong?
Nay, Socrates; the doctrine is immoral.
Then I suppose that we ought to do good to the just and harm to the
unjust?
I like that better.
But see the consequence:—Many a man who is ignorant of human nature
has friends who are bad friends, and in that case he ought to do harm to
them; and he has good enemies whom he ought to benefit; but, if so, we
shall be saying the very opposite of that which we affirmed to be the
meaning of Simonides.
Very true, he said: and I think that we had better correct an error into
which we seem to have fallen in the use of the words ‘friend’ and ‘enemy.’
What was the error, Polemarchus? I asked.
We assumed that he is a friend who seems to be or who is thought good.
And how is the error to be corrected?
We should rather say that he is a friend who is, as well as seems, good;
and that he who seems only, and is not good, only seems to be and is not a
friend; and of an enemy the same may be said.
You would argue that the good are our friends and the bad our enemies?
Yes.
And instead of saying simply as we did at first, that it is just to do good
to our friends and harm to our enemies, we should further say: It is just to
do good to our friends when they are good and harm to our enemies when
they are evil?
Yes, that appears to me to be the truth.
But ought the just to injure any one at all?
Undoubtedly he ought to injure those who are both wicked and his
enemies.
When horses are injured, are they improved or deteriorated?
The latter.
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Yes, of horses.
And dogs are deteriorated in the good qualities of dogs, and not of
horses?
Of course.
And will not men who are injured be deteriorated in that which is the
proper virtue of man?
Certainly.
And that human virtue is justice?
To be sure.
Then men who are injured are of necessity made unjust?
That is the result.
But can the musician by his art make men unmusical?
Certainly not.
Or the horseman by his art make them bad horsemen?
Impossible.
And can the just by justice make men unjust, or speaking generally, can
the good by virtue make them bad?
Assuredly not.
Any more than heat can produce cold?
It cannot.
Or drought moisture?
Clearly not.
Nor can the good harm any one?
Impossible.
And the just is the good?
Certainly.
Then to injure a friend or any one else is not the act of a just man, but of
the opposite, who is the unjust?
I think that what you say is quite true, Socrates.
Then if a man says that justice consists in the repayment of debts, and
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which he owes to his enemies,—to say this is not wise; for it is not true, if,
as has been clearly shown, the injuring of another can be in no case just.
I agree with you, said Polemarchus.
Then you and I are prepared to take up arms against any one who
attributes such a saying to Simonides or Bias or Pittacus, or any other wise
man or seer?
I am quite ready to do battle at your side, he said.
Shall I tell you whose I believe the saying to be?
Whose?
I believe that Periander or Perdiccas or Xerxes or Ismenias the Theban,
or some other rich and mighty man, who had a great opinion of his own
power, was the first to say that justice is ‘doing good to your friends and
harm to your enemies.’
Most true, he said.
Yes, I said; but if this definition of justice also breaks down, what other
can be offered?
Several times in the course of the discussion Thrasymachus had made an
attempt to get the argument into his own hands, and had been put down by
the rest of the company, who wanted to hear the end. But when
Polemarchus and I had done speaking and there was a pause, he could no
longer hold his peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us like a wild
beast, seeking to devour us. We were quite panic-stricken at the sight of
him.
He roared out to the whole company: What folly, Socrates, has taken
possession of you all? And why, sillybillies, do you knock under to one
another? I say that if you want really to know what justice is, you should
not only ask but answer, and you should not seek honour to yourself from
the refutation of an opponent, but have your own answer; for there is many
a one who can ask and cannot answer. And now I will not have you say that
justice is duty or advantage or profit or gain or interest, for this sort of
nonsense will not do for me; I must have clearness and accuracy.
I was panic-stricken at his words, and could not look at him without
trembling. Indeed I believe that if I had not fixed my eye upon him, I should
have been struck dumb: but when I saw his fury rising, I looked at him first,
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Thrasymachus, I said, with a quiver, don’t be hard upon us. Polemarchus
and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in the argument, but I can
assure you that the error was not intentional. If we were seeking for a piece
of gold, you would not imagine that we were ‘knocking under to one
another,’ and so losing our chance of finding it. And why, when we are
seeking for justice, a thing more precious than many pieces of gold, do you
say that we are weakly yielding to one another and not doing our utmost to
get at the truth? Nay, my good friend, we are most willing and anxious to do
so, but the fact is that we cannot. And if so, you people who know all things
should pity us and not be angry with us.
How characteristic of Socrates! he replied, with a bitter laugh;—that’s
your ironical style! Did I not foresee—have I not already told you, that
whatever he was asked he would refuse to answer, and try irony or any
other shuffle, in order that he might avoid answering?
You are a philosopher, Thrasymachus, I replied, and well know that if
you ask a person what numbers make up twelve, taking care to prohibit him
whom you ask from answering twice six, or three times four, or six times
two, or four times three, ‘for this sort of nonsense will not do for me,’—
then obviously, if that is your way of putting the question, no one can
answer you. But suppose that he were to retort, ‘Thrasymachus, what do
you mean? If one of these numbers which you interdict be the true answer
to the question, am I falsely to say some other number which is not the right
one?—is that your meaning?’—How would you answer him?
Just as if the two cases were at all alike! he said.
Why should they not be? I replied; and even if they are not, but only
appear to be so to the person who is asked, ought he not to say what he
thinks, whether you and I forbid him or not?
I presume then that you are going to make one of the interdicted
answers?
I dare say that I may, notwithstanding the danger, if upon reflection I
approve of any of them.
But what if I give you an answer about justice other and better, he said,
than any of these? What do you deserve to have done to you?
Done to me!—as becomes the ignorant, I must learn from the wise—that
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What, and no payment! a pleasant notion!
I will pay when I have the money, I replied.
But you have, Socrates, said Glaucon: and you, Thrasymachus, need be
under no anxiety about money, for we will all make a contribution for
Socrates.
Yes, he replied, and then Socrates will do as he always does—refuse to
answer himself, but take and pull to pieces the answer of some one else.
Why, my good friend, I said, how can any one answer who knows, and
says that he knows, just nothing; and who, even if he has some faint notions
of his own, is told by a man of authority not to utter them? The natural thing
is, that the speaker should be some one like yourself who professes to know
and can tell what he knows. Will you then kindly answer, for the edification
of the company and of myself?
Glaucon and the rest of the company joined in my request, and
Thrasymachus, as any one might see, was in reality eager to speak; for he
thought that he had an excellent answer, and would distinguish himself. But
at first he affected to insist on my answering; at length he consented to
begin. Behold, he said, the wisdom of Socrates; he refuses to teach himself,
and goes about learning of others, to whom he never even says Thank you.
That I learn of others, I replied, is quite true; but that I am ungrateful I
wholly deny. Money I have none, and therefore I pay in praise, which is all
I have; and how ready I am to praise any one who appears to me to speak
well you will very soon find out when you answer; for I expect that you will
answer well.
Listen, then, he said; I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the
interest of the stronger. And now why do you not praise me? But of course
you won’t.
Let me first understand you, I replied. Justice, as you say, is the interest
of the stronger. What, Thrasymachus, is the meaning of this? You cannot
mean to say that because Polydamas, the pancratiast, is stronger than we
are, and finds the eating of beef conducive to his bodily strength, that to eat
beef is therefore equally for our good who are weaker than he is, and right
and just for us?
That’s abominable of you, Socrates; you take the words in the sense
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Not at all, my good sir, I said; I am trying to understand them; and I wish
that you would be a little clearer.
Well, he said, have you never heard that forms of government differ;
there are tyrannies, and there are democracies, and there are aristocracies?
Yes, I know.
And the government is the ruling power in each state?
Certainly.
And the different forms of government make laws democratical,
aristocratical, tyrannical, with a view to their several interests; and these
laws, which are made by them for their own interests, are the justice which
they deliver to their subjects, and him who transgresses them they punish as
a breaker of the law, and unjust. And that is what I mean when I say that in
all states there is the same principle of justice, which is the interest of the
government; and as the government must be supposed to have power, the
only reasonable conclusion is, that everywhere there is one principle of
justice, which is the interest of the stronger.
Now I understand you, I said; and whether you are right or not I will try
to discover. But let me remark, that in defining justice you have yourself
used the word ‘interest’ which you forbade me to use. It is true, however,
that in your definition the words ‘of the stronger’ are added.
A small addition, you must allow, he said.
Great or small, never mind about that: we must first enquire whether
what you are saying is the truth. Now we are both agreed that justice is
interest of some sort, but you go on to say ‘of the stronger’; about this
addition I am not so sure, and must therefore consider further.
Proceed.
I will; and first tell me, Do you admit that it is just for subjects to obey
their rulers?
I do.
But are the rulers of states absolutely infallible, or are they sometimes
liable to err?
To be sure, he replied, they are liable to err.
Then in making their laws they may sometimes make them rightly, and
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True.
When they make them rightly, they make them agreeably to their interest;
when they are mistaken, contrary to their interest; you admit that?
Yes.
And the laws which they make must be obeyed by their subjects,—and
that is what you call justice?
Doubtless.
Then justice, according to your argument, is not only obedience to the
interest of the stronger but the reverse?
What is that you are saying? he asked.
I am only repeating what you are saying, I believe. But let us consider:
Have we not admitted that the rulers may be mistaken about their own
interest in what they command, and also that to obey them is justice? Has
not that been admitted?
Yes.
Then you must also have acknowledged justice not to be for the interest
of the stronger, when the rulers unintentionally command things to be done
which are to their own injury. For if, as you say, justice is the obedience
which the subject renders to their commands, in that case, O wisest of men,
is there any escape from the conclusion that the weaker are commanded to
do, not what is for the interest, but what is for the injury of the stronger?
Nothing can be clearer, Socrates, said Polemarchus.
Yes, said Cleitophon, interposing, if you are allowed to be his witness.
But there is no need of any witness, said Polemarchus, for Thrasymachus
himself acknowledges that rulers may sometimes command what is not for
their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice.
Yes, Polemarchus,—Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what was
commanded by their rulers is just.
Yes, Cleitophon, but he also said that justice is the interest of the
stronger, and, while admitting both these propositions, he further
acknowledged that the stronger may command the weaker who are his
subjects to do what is not for his own interest; whence follows that justice is
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But, said Cleitophon, he meant by the interest of the stronger what the
stronger thought to be his interest,—this was what the weaker had to do;
and this was affirmed by him to be justice.
Those were not his words, rejoined Polemarchus.
Never mind, I replied, if he now says that they are, let us accept his
statement. Tell me, Thrasymachus, I said, did you mean by justice what the
stronger thought to be his interest, whether really so or not?
Certainly not, he said. Do you suppose that I call him who is mistaken
the stronger at the time when he is mistaken?
Yes, I said, my impression was that you did so, when you admitted that
the ruler was not infallible but might be sometimes mistaken.
You argue like an informer, Socrates. Do you mean, for example, that he
who is mistaken about the sick is a physician in that he is mistaken? or that
he who errs in arithmetic or grammar is an arithmetician or grammarian at
the time when he is making the mistake, in respect of the mistake? True, we
say that the physician or arithmetician or grammarian has made a mistake,
but this is only a way of speaking; for the fact is that neither the
grammarian nor any other person of skill ever makes a mistake in so far as
he is what his name implies; they none of them err unless their skill fails
them, and then they cease to be skilled artists. No artist or sage or ruler errs
at the time when he is what his name implies; though he is commonly said
to err, and I adopted the common mode of speaking. But to be perfectly
accurate, since you are such a lover of accuracy, we should say that the
ruler, in so far as he is a ruler, is unerring, and, being unerring, always
commands that which is for his own interest; and the subject is required to
execute his commands; and therefore, as I said at first and now repeat,
justice is the interest of the stronger.
Indeed, Thrasymachus, and do I really appear to you to argue like an
informer?
Certainly, he replied.
And do you suppose that I ask these questions with any design of injuring
you in the argument?
Nay, he replied, ‘suppose’ is not the word—I know it; but you will be
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I shall not make the attempt, my dear man; but to avoid any
misunderstanding occurring between us in future, let me ask, in what sense
do you speak of a ruler or stronger whose interest, as you were saying, he
being the superior, it is just that the inferior should execute—is he a ruler in
the popular or in the strict sense of the term?
In the strictest of all senses, he said. And now cheat and play the informer
if you can; I ask no quarter at your hands. But you never will be able, never.
And do you imagine, I said, that I am such a madman as to try and cheat,
Thrasymachus? I might as well shave a lion.
Why, he said, you made the attempt a minute ago, and you failed.
Enough, I said, of these civilities. It will be better that I should ask you a
question: Is the physician, taken in that strict sense of which you are
speaking, a healer of the sick or a maker of money? And remember that I
am now speaking of the true physician.
A healer of the sick, he replied.
And the pilot—that is to say, the true pilot—is he a captain of sailors or a
mere sailor?
A captain of sailors.
The circumstance that he sails in the ship is not to be taken into account;
neither is he to be called a sailor; the name pilot by which he is
distinguished has nothing to do with sailing, but is significant of his skill
and of his authority over the sailors.
Very true, he said.
Now, I said, every art has an interest?
Certainly.
For which the art has to consider and provide?
Yes, that is the aim of art.
And the interest of any art is the perfection of it—this and nothing else?
What do you mean?
I mean what I may illustrate negatively by the example of the body.
Suppose you were to ask me whether the body is self-sufficing or has
wants, I should reply: Certainly the body has wants; for the body may be ill
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medicine ministers; and this is the origin and intention of medicine, as you
will acknowledge. Am I not right?
Quite right, he replied.
But is the art of medicine or any other art faulty or deficient in any
quality in the same way that the eye may be deficient in sight or the ear fail
of hearing, and therefore requires another art to provide for the interests of
seeing and hearing—has art in itself, I say, any similar liability to fault or
defect, and does every art require another supplementary art to provide for
its interests, and that another and another without end? Or have the arts to
look only after their own interests? Or have they no need either of
themselves or of another?—having no faults or defects, they have no need
to correct them, either by the exercise of their own art or of any other; they
have only to consider the interest of their subject-matter. For every art
remains pure and faultless while remaining true—that is to say, while
perfect and unimpaired. Take the words in your precise sense, and tell me
whether I am not right.
Yes, clearly.
Then medicine does not consider the interest of medicine, but the interest
of the body?
True, he said.
Nor does the art of horsemanship consider the interests of the art of
horsemanship, but the interests of the horse; neither do any other arts care
for themselves, for they have no needs; they care only for that which is the
subject of their art?
True, he said.
But surely, Thrasymachus, the arts are the superiors and rulers of their
own subjects?
To this he assented with a good deal of reluctance.
Then, I said, no science or art considers or enjoins the interest of the
stronger or superior, but only the interest of the subject and weaker?
He made an attempt to contest this proposition also, but finally
acquiesced.
Then, I continued, no physician, in so far as he is a physician, considers
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physician is also a ruler having the human body as a subject, and is not a
mere money-maker; that has been admitted?
Yes.
And the pilot likewise, in the strict sense of the term, is a ruler of sailors
and not a mere sailor?
That has been admitted.
And such a pilot and ruler will provide and prescribe for the interest of
the sailor who is under him, and not for his own or the ruler’s interest?
He gave a reluctant ‘Yes.’
Then, I said, Thrasymachus, there is no one in any rule who, in so far as
he is a ruler, considers or enjoins what is for his own interest, but always
what is for the interest of his subject or suitable to his art; to that he looks,
and that alone he considers in everything which he says and does.
When we had got to this point in the argument, and every one saw that
the definition of justice had been completely upset, Thrasymachus, instead
of replying to me, said: Tell me, Socrates, have you got a nurse?
Why do you ask such a question, I said, when you ought rather to be
answering?
Because she leaves you to snivel, and never wipes your nose: she has not
even taught you to know the shepherd from the sheep.
What makes you say that? I replied.
Because you fancy that the shepherd or neatherd fattens or tends the
sheep or oxen with a view to their own good and not to the good of himself
or his master; and you further imagine that the rulers of states, if they are
true rulers, never think of their subjects as sheep, and that they are not
studying their own advantage day and night. Oh, no; and so entirely astray
are you in your ideas about the just and unjust as not even to know that
justice and the just are in reality another’s good; that is to say, the interest of
the ruler and stronger, and the loss of the subject and servant; and injustice
the opposite; for the unjust is lord over the truly simple and just: he is the
stronger, and his subjects do what is for his interest, and minister to his
happiness, which is very far from being their own. Consider further, most
foolish Socrates, that the just is always a loser in comparison with the
unjust. First of all, in private contracts: wherever the unjust is the partner of
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has always more and the just less. Secondly, in their dealings with the State:
when there is an income-tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less
on the same amount of income; and when there is anything to be received
the one gains nothing and the other much. Observe also what happens when
they take an office; there is the just man neglecting his affairs and perhaps
suffering other losses, and getting nothing out of the public, because he is
just; moreover he is hated by his friends and acquaintance for refusing to
serve them in unlawful ways. But all this is reversed in the case of the
unjust man. I am speaking, as before, of injustice on a large scale in which
the advantage of the unjust is most apparent; and my meaning will be most
clearly seen if we turn to that highest form of injustice in which the criminal
is the happiest of men, and the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice
are the most miserable—that is to say tyranny, which by fraud and force
takes away the property of others, not little by little but wholesale;
comprehending in one, things sacred as well as profane, private and public;
for which acts of wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them
singly, he would be punished and incur great disgrace—they who do such
wrong in particular cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers
and burglars and swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking
away the money of the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of
these names of reproach, he is termed happy and blessed, not only by the
citizens but by all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of
injustice. For mankind censure injustice, fearing that they may be the
victims of it and not because they shrink from committing it. And thus, as I
have shown, Socrates, injustice, when on a sufficient scale, has more
strength and freedom and mastery than justice; and, as I said at first, justice
is the interest of the stronger, whereas injustice is a man’s own profit and
interest.
Thrasymachus, when he had thus spoken, having, like a bath-man,
deluged our ears with his words, had a mind to go away. But the company
would not let him; they insisted that he should remain and defend his
position; and I myself added my own humble request that he would not
leave us. Thrasymachus, I said to him, excellent man, how suggestive are
your remarks! And are you going to run away before you have fairly taught
or learned whether they are true or not? Is the attempt to determine the way
of man’s life so small a matter in your eyes—to determine how life may be
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And do I differ from you, he said, as to the importance of the enquiry?
You appear rather, I replied, to have no care or thought about us,
Thrasymachus—whether we live better or worse from not knowing what
you say you know, is to you a matter of indifference. Prithee, friend, do not
keep your knowledge to yourself; we are a large party; and any benefit
which you confer upon us will be amply rewarded. For my own part I
openly declare that I am not convinced, and that I do not believe injustice to
be more gainful than justice, even if uncontrolled and allowed to have free
play. For, granting that there may be an unjust man who is able to commit
injustice either by fraud or force, still this does not convince me of the
superior advantage of injustice, and there may be others who are in the
same predicament with myself. Perhaps we may be wrong; if so, you in
your wisdom should convince us that we are mistaken in preferring justice
to injustice.
And how am I to convince you, he said, if you are not already convinced
by what I have just said; what more can I do for you? Would you have me
put the proof bodily into your souls?
Heaven forbid! I said; I would only ask you to be consistent; or, if you
change, change openly and let there be no deception. For I must remark,
Thrasymachus, if you will recall what was previously said, that although
you began by defining the true physician in an exact sense, you did not
observe a like exactness when speaking of the shepherd; you thought that
the shepherd as a shepherd tends the sheep not with a view to their own
good, but like a mere diner or banquetter with a view to the pleasures of the
table; or, again, as a trader for sale in the market, and not as a shepherd. Yet
surely the art of the shepherd is concerned only with the good of his
subjects; he has only to provide the best for them, since the perfection of the
art is already ensured whenever all the requirements of it are satisfied. And
that was what I was saying just now about the ruler. I conceived that the art
of the ruler, considered as ruler, whether in a state or in private life, could
only regard the good of his flock or subjects; whereas you seem to think
that the rulers in states, that is to say, the true rulers, like being in authority.
Think! Nay, I am sure of it.
Then why in the case of lesser offices do men never take them willingly
without payment, unless under the idea that they govern for the advantage
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several arts different, by reason of their each having a separate function?
And, my dear illustrious friend, do say what you think, that we may make a
little progress.
Yes, that is the difference, he replied.
And each art gives us a particular good and not merely a general one—
medicine, for example, gives us health; navigation, safety at sea, and so on?
Yes, he said.
And the art of payment has the special function of giving pay: but we do
not confuse this with other arts, any more than the art of the pilot is to be
confused with the art of medicine, because the health of the pilot may be
improved by a sea voyage. You would not be inclined to say, would you,
that navigation is the art of medicine, at least if we are to adopt your exact
use of language?
Certainly not.
Or because a man is in good health when he receives pay you would not
say that the art of payment is medicine?
I should not.
Nor would you say that medicine is the art of receiving pay because a
man takes fees when he is engaged in healing?
Certainly not.
And we have admitted, I said, that the good of each art is specially
confined to the art?
Yes.
Then, if there be any good which all artists have in common, that is to be
attributed to something of which they all have the common use?
True, he replied.
And when the artist is benefited by receiving pay the advantage is gained
by an additional use of the art of pay, which is not the art professed by him?
He gave a reluctant assent to this.
Then the pay is not derived by the several artists from their respective
arts. But the truth is, that while the art of medicine gives health, and the art
of the builder builds a house, another art attends them which is the art of
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over which they preside, but would the artist receive any benefit from his
art unless he were paid as well?
I suppose not.
But does he therefore confer no benefit when he works for nothing?
Certainly, he confers a benefit.
Then now, Thrasymachus, there is no longer any doubt that neither arts
nor governments provide for their own interests; but, as we were before
saying, they rule and provide for the interests of their subjects who are the
weaker and not the stronger—to their good they attend and not to the good
of the superior. And this is the reason, my dear Thrasymachus, why, as I
was just now saying, no one is willing to govern; because no one likes to
take in hand the reformation of evils which are not his concern without
remuneration. For, in the execution of his work, and in giving his orders to
another, the true artist does not regard his own interest, but always that of
his subjects; and therefore in order that rulers may be willing to rule, they
must be paid in one of three modes of payment, money, or honour, or a
penalty for refusing.
What do you mean, Socrates? said Glaucon. The first two modes of
payment are intelligible enough, but what the penalty is I do not understand,
or how a penalty can be a payment.
You mean that you do not understand the nature of this payment which to
the best men is the great inducement to rule? Of course you know that
ambition and avarice are held to be, as indeed they are, a disgrace?
Very true.
And for this reason, I said, money and honour have no attraction for
them; good men do not wish to be openly demanding payment for
governing and so to get the name of hirelings, nor by secretly helping
themselves out of the public revenues to get the name of thieves. And not
being ambitious they do not care about honour. Wherefore necessity must
be laid upon them, and they must be induced to serve from the fear of
punishment. And this, as I imagine, is the reason why the forwardness to
take office, instead of waiting to be compelled, has been deemed
dishonourable. Now the worst part of the punishment is that he who refuses
to rule is liable to be ruled by one who is worse than himself. And the fear
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would, but because they cannot help—not under the idea that they are going
to have any benefit or enjoyment themselves, but as a necessity, and
because they are not able to commit the task of ruling to any one who is
better than themselves, or indeed as good. For there is reason to think that if
a city were composed entirely of good men, then to avoid office would be
as much an object of contention as to obtain office is at present; then we
should have plain proof that the true ruler is not meant by nature to regard
his own interest, but that of his subjects; and every one who knew this
would choose rather to receive a benefit from another than to have the
trouble of conferring one. So far am I from agreeing with Thrasymachus
that justice is the interest of the stronger. This latter question need not be
further discussed at present; but when Thrasymachus says that the life of the
unjust is more advantageous than that of the just, his new statement appears
to me to be of a far more serious character. Which of us has spoken truly?
And which sort of life, Glaucon, do you prefer?
I for my part deem the life of the just to be the more advantageous, he
answered.
Did you hear all the advantages of the unjust which Thrasymachus was
rehearsing?
Yes, I heard him, he replied, but he has not convinced me.
Then shall we try to find some way of convincing him, if we can, that he
is saying what is not true?
Most certainly, he replied.
If, I said, he makes a set speech and we make another recounting all the
advantages of being just, and he answers and we rejoin, there must be a
numbering and measuring of the goods which are claimed on either side,
and in the end we shall want judges to decide; but if we proceed in our
enquiry as we lately did, by making admissions to one another, we shall
unite the offices of judge and advocate in our own persons.
Very good, he said.
And which method do I understand you to prefer? I said.
That which you propose.
Well, then, Thrasymachus, I said, suppose you begin at the beginning and
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Yes, that is what I say, and I have given you my reasons.
And what is your view about them? Would you call one of them virtue
and the other vice?
Certainly.
I suppose that you would call justice virtue and injustice vice?
What a charming notion! So likely too, seeing that I affirm injustice to be
profitable and justice not.
What else then would you say?
The opposite, he replied.
And would you call justice vice?
No, I would rather say sublime simplicity.
Then would you call injustice malignity?
No; I would rather say discretion.
And do the unjust appear to you to be wise and good?
Yes, he said; at any rate those of them who are able to be perfectly unjust,
and who have the power of subduing states and nations; but perhaps you
imagine me to be talking of cutpurses. Even this profession if undetected
has advantages, though they are not to be compared with those of which I
was just now speaking.
I do not think that I misapprehend your meaning, Thrasymachus, I
replied; but still I cannot hear without amazement that you class injustice
with wisdom and virtue, and justice with the opposite.
Certainly I do so class them.
Now, I said, you are on more substantial and almost unanswerable
ground; for if the injustice which you were maintaining to be profitable had
been admitted by you as by others to be vice and deformity, an answer
might have been given to you on received principles; but now I perceive
that you will call injustice honourable and strong, and to the unjust you will
attribute all the qualities which were attributed by us before to the just,
seeing that you do not hesitate to rank injustice with wisdom and virtue.
You have guessed most infallibly, he replied.
Then I certainly ought not to shrink from going through with the
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speaking your real mind; for I do believe that you are now in earnest and
are not amusing yourself at our expense.
I may be in earnest or not, but what is that to you?—to refute the
argument is your business.
Very true, I said; that is what I have to do: But will you be so good as
answer yet one more question? Does the just man try to gain any advantage
over the just?
Far otherwise; if he did he would not be the simple amusing creature
which he is.
And would he try to go beyond just action?
He would not.
And how would he regard the attempt to gain an advantage over the
unjust; would that be considered by him as just or unjust?
He would think it just, and would try to gain the advantage; but he would
not be able.
Whether he would or would not be able, I said, is not to the point. My
question is only whether the just man, while refusing to have more than
another just man, would wish and claim to have more than the unjust?
Yes, he would.
And what of the unjust—does he claim to have more than the just man
and to do more than is just?
Of course, he said, for he claims to have more than all men.
And the unjust man will strive and struggle to obtain more than the unjust
man or action, in order that he may have more than all?
True.
We may put the matter thus, I said—the just does not desire more than
his like but more than his unlike, whereas the unjust desires more than both
his like and his unlike?
Nothing, he said, can be better than that statement.
And the unjust is good and wise, and the just is neither?
Good again, he said.
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Of course, he said, he who is of a certain nature, is like those who are of
a certain nature; he who is not, not.
Each of them, I said, is such as his like is?
Certainly, he replied.
Very good, Thrasymachus, I said; and now to take the case of the arts:
you would admit that one man is a musician and another not a musician?
Yes.
And which is wise and which is foolish?
Clearly the musician is wise, and he who is not a musician is foolish.
And he is good in as far as he is wise, and bad in as far as he is foolish?
Yes.
And you would say the same sort of thing of the physician?
Yes.
And do you think, my excellent friend, that a musician when he adjusts
the lyre would desire or claim to exceed or go beyond a musician in the
tightening and loosening the strings?
I do not think that he would.
But he would claim to exceed the non-musician?
Of course.
And what would you say of the physician? In prescribing meats and
drinks would he wish to go beyond another physician or beyond the
practice of medicine?
He would not.
But he would wish to go beyond the non-physician?
Yes.
And about knowledge and ignorance in general; see whether you think
that any man who has knowledge ever would wish to have the choice of
saying or doing more than another man who has knowledge. Would he not
rather say or do the same as his like in the same case?
That, I suppose, can hardly be denied.
And what of the ignorant? would he not desire to have more than either
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I dare say.
And the knowing is wise?
Yes.
And the wise is good?
True.
Then the wise and good will not desire to gain more than his like, but
more than his unlike and opposite?
I suppose so.
Whereas the bad and ignorant will desire to gain more than both?
Yes.
But did we not say, Thrasymachus, that the unjust goes beyond both his
like and unlike? Were not these your words?
They were.
And you also said that the just will not go beyond his like but his unlike?
Yes.
Then the just is like the wise and good, and the unjust like the evil and
ignorant?
That is the inference.
And each of them is such as his like is?
That was admitted.
Then the just has turned out to be wise and good and the unjust evil and
ignorant.
Thrasymachus made all these admissions, not fluently, as I repeat them,
but with extreme reluctance; it was a hot summer’s day, and the perspiration
poured from him in torrents; and then I saw what I had never seen before,
Thrasymachus blushing. As we were now agreed that justice was virtue and
wisdom, and injustice vice and ignorance, I proceeded to another point:
Well, I said, Thrasymachus, that matter is now settled; but were we not
also saying that injustice had strength; do you remember?
Yes, I remember, he said, but do not suppose that I approve of what you
are saying or have no answer; if however I were to answer, you would be
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my say out, or if you would rather ask, do so, and I will answer ‘Very
good,’ as they say to story-telling old women, and will nod ‘Yes’ and ‘No.’
Certainly not, I said, if contrary to your real opinion.
Yes, he said, I will, to please you, since you will not let me speak. What
else would you have?
Nothing in the world, I said; and if you are so disposed I will ask and you
shall answer.
Proceed.
Then I will repeat the question which I asked before, in order that our
examination of the relative nature of justice and injustice may be carried on
regularly. A statement was made that injustice is stronger and more
powerful than justice, but now justice, having been identified with wisdom
and virtue, is easily shown to be stronger than injustice, if injustice is
ignorance; this can no longer be questioned by any one. But I want to view
the matter, Thrasymachus, in a different way: You would not deny that a
state may be unjust and may be unjustly attempting to enslave other states,
or may have already enslaved them, and may be holding many of them in
subjection?
True, he replied; and I will add that the best and most perfectly unjust
state will be most likely to do so.
I know, I said, that such was your position; but what I would further
consider is, whether this power which is possessed by the superior state can
exist or be exercised without justice or only with justice.
If you are right in your view, and justice is wisdom, then only with
justice; but if I am right, then without justice.
I am delighted, Thrasymachus, to see you not only nodding assent and
dissent, but making answers which are quite excellent.
That is out of civility to you, he replied.
You are very kind, I said; and would you have the goodness also to
inform me, whether you think that a state, or an army, or a band of robbers
and thieves, or any other gang of evil-doers could act at all if they injured
one another?
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But if they abstained from injuring one another, then they might act
together better?
Yes.
And this is because injustice creates divisions and hatreds and fighting,
and justice imparts harmony and friendship; is not that true, Thrasymachus?
I agree, he said, because I do not wish to quarrel with you.
How good of you, I said; but I should like to know also whether injustice,
having this tendency to arouse hatred, wherever existing, among slaves or
among freemen, will not make them hate one another and set them at
variance and render them incapable of common action?
Certainly.
And even if injustice be found in two only, will they not quarrel and
fight, and become enemies to one another and to the just?
They will.
And suppose injustice abiding in a single person, would your wisdom say
that she loses or that she retains her natural power?
Let us assume that she retains her power.
Yet is not the power which injustice exercises of such a nature that
wherever she takes up her abode, whether in a city, in an army, in a family,
or in any other body, that body is, to begin with, rendered incapable of
united action by reason of sedition and distraction; and does it not become
its own enemy and at variance with all that opposes it, and with the just? Is
not this the case?
Yes, certainly.
And is not injustice equally fatal when existing in a single person; in the
first place rendering him incapable of action because he is not at unity with
himself, and in the second place making him an enemy to himself and the
just? Is not that true, Thrasymachus?
Yes.
And O my friend, I said, surely the gods are just?
Granted that they are.
But if so, the unjust will be the enemy of the gods, and the just will be
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Feast away in triumph, and take your fill of the argument; I will not
oppose you, lest I should displease the company.
Well then, proceed with your answers, and let me have the remainder of
my repast. For we have already shown that the just are clearly wiser and
better and abler than the unjust, and that the unjust are incapable of
common action; nay more, that to speak as we did of men who are evil
acting at any time vigorously together, is not strictly true, for if they had
been perfectly evil, they would have laid hands upon one another; but it is
evident that there must have been some remnant of justice in them, which
enabled them to combine; if there had not been they would have injured one
another as well as their victims; they were but half-villains in their
enterprises; for had they been whole villains, and utterly unjust, they would
have been utterly incapable of action. That, as I believe, is the truth of the
matter, and not what you said at first. But whether the just have a better and
happier life than the unjust is a further question which we also proposed to
consider. I think that they have, and for the reasons which I have given; but
still I should like to examine further, for no light matter is at stake, nothing
less than the rule of human life.
Proceed.
I will proceed by asking a question: Would you not say that a horse has
some end?
I should.
And the end or use of a horse or of anything would be that which could
not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any other thing?
I do not understand, he said.
Let me explain: Can you see, except with the eye?
Certainly not.
Or hear, except with the ear?
No.
These then may be truly said to be the ends of these organs?
They may.
But you can cut off a vine-branch with a dagger or with a chisel, and in
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And yet not so well as with a pruning-hook made for the purpose?
True.
May we not say that this is the end of a pruning-hook?
We may.
Then now I think you will have no difficulty in understanding my
meaning when I asked the question whether the end of anything would be
that which could not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any
other thing?
I understand your meaning, he said, and assent.
And that to which an end is appointed has also an excellence? Need I ask
again whether the eye has an end?
It has.
And has not the eye an excellence?
Yes.
And the ear has an end and an excellence also?
True.
And the same is true of all other things; they have each of them an end
and a special excellence?
That is so.
Well, and can the eyes fulfil their end if they are wanting in their own
proper excellence and have a defect instead?
How can they, he said, if they are blind and cannot see?
You mean to say, if they have lost their proper excellence, which is sight;
but I have not arrived at that point yet. I would rather ask the question more
generally, and only enquire whether the things which fulfil their ends fulfil
them by their own proper excellence, and fail of fulfilling them by their
own defect?
Certainly, he replied.
I might say the same of the ears; when deprived of their own proper
excellence they cannot fulfil their end?
True.
And the same observation will apply to all other things?
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Well; and has not the soul an end which nothing else can fulfil? for
example, to superintend and command and deliberate and the like. Are not
these functions proper to the soul, and can they rightly be assigned to any
other?
To no other.
And is not life to be reckoned among the ends of the soul?
Assuredly, he said.
And has not the soul an excellence also?
Yes.
And can she or can she not fulfil her own ends when deprived of that
excellence?
She cannot.
Then an evil soul must necessarily be an evil ruler and superintendent,
and the good soul a good ruler?
Yes, necessarily.
And we have admitted that justice is the excellence of the soul, and
injustice the defect of the soul?
That has been admitted.
Then the just soul and the just man will live well, and the unjust man will
live ill?
That is what your argument proves.
And he who lives well is blessed and happy, and he who lives ill the
reverse of happy?
Certainly.
Then the just is happy, and the unjust miserable?
So be it.
But happiness and not misery is profitable.
Of course.
Then, my blessed Thrasymachus, injustice can never be more profitable
than justice.
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For which I am indebted to you, I said, now that you have grown gentle
towards me and have left off scolding. Nevertheless, I have not been well
entertained; but that was my own fault and not yours. As an epicure
snatches a taste of every dish which is successively brought to table, he not
having allowed himself time to enjoy the one before, so have I gone from
one subject to another without having discovered what I sought at first, the
nature of justice. I left that enquiry and turned away to consider whether
justice is virtue and wisdom or evil and folly; and when there arose a
further question about the comparative advantages of justice and injustice, I
could not refrain from passing on to that. And the result of the whole
discussion has been that I know nothing at all. For I know not what justice
is, and therefore I am not likely to know whether it is or is not a virtue, nor
can I say whether the just man is happy or unhappy.

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BOOK II.

With these words I was thinking that I had made an end of the discussion;
but the end, in truth, proved to be only a beginning. For Glaucon, who is
always the most pugnacious of men, was dissatisfied at Thrasymachus’
retirement; he wanted to have the battle out. So he said to me: Socrates, do
you wish really to persuade us, or only to seem to have persuaded us, that to
be just is always better than to be unjust?
I should wish really to persuade you, I replied, if I could.
Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let me ask you now:—How
would you arrange goods—are there not some which we welcome for their
own sakes, and independently of their consequences, as, for example,
harmless pleasures and enjoyments, which delight us at the time, although
nothing follows from them?
I agree in thinking that there is such a class, I replied.
Is there not also a second class of goods, such as knowledge, sight,
health, which are desirable not only in themselves, but also for their results?
Certainly, I said.
And would you not recognize a third class, such as gymnastic, and the
care of the sick, and the physician’s art; also the various ways of money-
making—these do us good but we regard them as disagreeable; and no one
would choose them for their own sakes, but only for the sake of some
reward or result which flows from them?
There is, I said, this third class also. But why do you ask?
Because I want to know in which of the three classes you would place
justice?
In the highest class, I replied,—among those goods which he who would
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Then the many are of another mind; they think that justice is to be
reckoned in the troublesome class, among goods which are to be pursued
for the sake of rewards and of reputation, but in themselves are disagreeable
and rather to be avoided.
I know, I said, that this is their manner of thinking, and that this was the
thesis which Thrasymachus was maintaining just now, when he censured
justice and praised injustice. But I am too stupid to be convinced by him.
I wish, he said, that you would hear me as well as him, and then I shall
see whether you and I agree. For Thrasymachus seems to me, like a snake,
to have been charmed by your voice sooner than he ought to have been; but
to my mind the nature of justice and injustice have not yet been made clear.
Setting aside their rewards and results, I want to know what they are in
themselves, and how they inwardly work in the soul. If you, please, then, I
will revive the argument of Thrasymachus. And first I will speak of the
nature and origin of justice according to the common view of them.
Secondly, I will show that all men who practise justice do so against their
will, of necessity, but not as a good. And thirdly, I will argue that there is
reason in this view, for the life of the unjust is after all better far than the
life of the just—if what they say is true, Socrates, since I myself am not of
their opinion. But still I acknowledge that I am perplexed when I hear the
voices of Thrasymachus and myriads of others dinning in my ears; and, on
the other hand, I have never yet heard the superiority of justice to injustice
maintained by any one in a satisfactory way. I want to hear justice praised
in respect of itself; then I shall be satisfied, and you are the person from
whom I think that I am most likely to hear this; and therefore I will praise
the unjust life to the utmost of my power, and my manner of speaking will
indicate the manner in which I desire to hear you too praising justice and
censuring injustice. Will you say whether you approve of my proposal?
Indeed I do; nor can I imagine any theme about which a man of sense
would oftener wish to converse.
I am delighted, he replied, to hear you say so, and shall begin by
speaking, as I proposed, of the nature and origin of justice.
They say that to do injustice is, by nature, good; to suffer injustice, evil;
but that the evil is greater than the good. And so when men have both done
and suffered injustice and have had experience of both, not being able to
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among themselves to have neither; hence there arise laws and mutual
covenants; and that which is ordained by law is termed by them lawful and
just. This they affirm to be the origin and nature of justice;—it is a mean or
compromise, between the best of all, which is to do injustice and not be
punished, and the worst of all, which is to suffer injustice without the power
of retaliation; and justice, being at a middle point between the two, is
tolerated not as a good, but as the lesser evil, and honoured by reason of the
inability of men to do injustice. For no man who is worthy to be called a
man would ever submit to such an agreement if he were able to resist; he
would be mad if he did. Such is the received account, Socrates, of the
nature and origin of justice.
Now that those who practise justice do so involuntarily and because they
have not the power to be unjust will best appear if we imagine something of
this kind: having given both to the just and the unjust power to do what they
will, let us watch and see whither desire will lead them; then we shall
discover in the very act the just and unjust man to be proceeding along the
same road, following their interest, which all natures deem to be their good,
and are only diverted into the path of justice by the force of law. The liberty
which we are supposing may be most completely given to them in the form
of such a power as is said to have been possessed by Gyges, the ancestor of
Croesus the Lydian. According to the tradition, Gyges was a shepherd in the
service of the king of Lydia; there was a great storm, and an earthquake
made an opening in the earth at the place where he was feeding his flock.
Amazed at the sight, he descended into the opening, where, among other
marvels, he beheld a hollow brazen horse, having doors, at which he
stooping and looking in saw a dead body of stature, as appeared to him,
more than human, and having nothing on but a gold ring; this he took from
the finger of the dead and reascended. Now the shepherds met together,
according to custom, that they might send their monthly report about the
flocks to the king; into their assembly he came having the ring on his finger,
and as he was sitting among them he chanced to turn the collet of the ring
inside his hand, when instantly he became invisible to the rest of the
company and they began to speak of him as if he were no longer present.
He was astonished at this, and again touching the ring he turned the collet
outwards and reappeared; he made several trials of the ring, and always
with the same result—when he turned the collet inwards he became
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chosen one of the messengers who were sent to the court; whereas soon as
he arrived he seduced the queen, and with her help conspired against the
king and slew him, and took the kingdom. Suppose now that there were two
such magic rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other;
no man can be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand
fast in justice. No man would keep his hands off what was not his own
when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, or go into houses
and lie with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he
would, and in all respects be like a God among men. Then the actions of the
just would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to
the same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man
is just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him
individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely
be unjust, there he is unjust. For all men believe in their hearts that injustice
is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who argues as I
have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could imagine any
one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never doing any wrong
or touching what was another’s, he would be thought by the lookers-on to
be a most wretched idiot, although they would praise him to one another’s
faces, and keep up appearances with one another from a fear that they too
might suffer injustice. Enough of this.
Now, if we are to form a real judgment of the life of the just and unjust,
we must isolate them; there is no other way; and how is the isolation to be
effected? I answer: Let the unjust man be entirely unjust, and the just man
entirely just; nothing is to be taken away from either of them, and both are
to be perfectly furnished for the work of their respective lives. First, let the
unjust be like other distinguished masters of craft; like the skilful pilot or
physician, who knows intuitively his own powers and keeps within their
limits, and who, if he fails at any point, is able to recover himself. So let the
unjust make his unjust attempts in the right way, and lie hidden if he means
to be great in his injustice: (he who is found out is nobody:) for the highest
reach of injustice is, to be deemed just when you are not. Therefore I say
that in the perfectly unjust man we must assume the most perfect injustice;
there is to be no deduction, but we must allow him, while doing the most
unjust acts, to have acquired the greatest reputation for justice. If he have
taken a false step he must be able to recover himself; he must be one who
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his way where force is required by his courage and strength, and command
of money and friends. And at his side let us place the just man in his
nobleness and simplicity, wishing, as Aeschylus says, to be and not to seem
good. There must be no seeming, for if he seem to be just he will be
honoured and rewarded, and then we shall not know whether he is just for
the sake of justice or for the sake of honours and rewards; therefore, let him
be clothed in justice only, and have no other covering; and he must be
imagined in a state of life the opposite of the former. Let him be the best of
men, and let him be thought the worst; then he will have been put to the
proof; and we shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of infamy
and its consequences. And let him continue thus to the hour of death; being
just and seeming to be unjust. When both have reached the uttermost
extreme, the one of justice and the other of injustice, let judgment be given
which of them is the happier of the two.
Heavens! my dear Glaucon, I said, how energetically you polish them up
for the decision, first one and then the other, as if they were two statues.
I do my best, he said. And now that we know what they are like there is
no difficulty in tracing out the sort of life which awaits either of them. This
I will proceed to describe; but as you may think the description a little too
coarse, I ask you to suppose, Socrates, that the words which follow are not
mine.—Let me put them into the mouths of the eulogists of injustice: They
will tell you that the just man who is thought unjust will be scourged,
racked, bound—will have his eyes burnt out; and, at last, after suffering
every kind of evil, he will be impaled: Then he will understand that he
ought to seem only, and not to be, just; the words of Aeschylus may be
more truly spoken of the unjust than of the just. For the unjust is pursuing a
reality; he does not live with a view to appearances—he wants to be really
unjust and not to seem only:—
‘His mind has a soil deep and fertile, Out of which spring his prudent
counsels.’
In the first place, he is thought just, and therefore bears rule in the city;
he can marry whom he will, and give in marriage to whom he will; also he
can trade and deal where he likes, and always to his own advantage,
because he has no misgivings about injustice; and at every contest, whether
in public or private, he gets the better of his antagonists, and gains at their
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harm his enemies; moreover, he can offer sacrifices, and dedicate gifts to
the gods abundantly and magnificently, and can honour the gods or any man
whom he wants to honour in a far better style than the just, and therefore he
is likely to be dearer than they are to the gods. And thus, Socrates, gods and
men are said to unite in making the life of the unjust better than the life of
the just.
I was going to say something in answer to Glaucon, when Adeimantus,
his brother, interposed: Socrates, he said, you do not suppose that there is
nothing more to be urged?
Why, what else is there? I answered.
The strongest point of all has not been even mentioned, he replied.
Well, then, according to the proverb, ‘Let brother help brother’—if he
fails in any part do you assist him; although I must confess that Glaucon has
already said quite enough to lay me in the dust, and take from me the power
of helping justice.
Nonsense, he replied. But let me add something more: There is another
side to Glaucon’s argument about the praise and censure of justice and
injustice, which is equally required in order to bring out what I believe to be
his meaning. Parents and tutors are always telling their sons and their wards
that they are to be just; but why? not for the sake of justice, but for the sake
of character and reputation; in the hope of obtaining for him who is reputed
just some of those offices, marriages, and the like which Glaucon has
enumerated among the advantages accruing to the unjust from the
reputation of justice. More, however, is made of appearances by this class
of persons than by the others; for they throw in the good opinion of the
gods, and will tell you of a shower of benefits which the heavens, as they
say, rain upon the pious; and this accords with the testimony of the noble
Hesiod and Homer, the first of whom says, that the gods make the oaks of
the just—
‘To bear acorns at their summit, and bees in the middle;
And the sheep are bowed down with the weight of their fleeces,’

and many other blessings of a like kind are provided for them. And
Homer has a very similar strain; for he speaks of one whose fame is—
‘As the fame of some blameless king who, like a god, Maintains justice;
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bowed with fruit, And his sheep never fail to bear, and the sea gives him
fish.’
Still grander are the gifts of heaven which Musaeus and his son
vouchsafe to the just; they take them down into the world below, where
they have the saints lying on couches at a feast, everlastingly drunk,
crowned with garlands; their idea seems to be that an immortality of
drunkenness is the highest meed of virtue. Some extend their rewards yet
further; the posterity, as they say, of the faithful and just shall survive to the
third and fourth generation. This is the style in which they praise justice.
But about the wicked there is another strain; they bury them in a slough in
Hades, and make them carry water in a sieve; also while they are yet living
they bring them to infamy, and inflict upon them the punishments which
Glaucon described as the portion of the just who are reputed to be unjust;
nothing else does their invention supply. Such is their manner of praising
the one and censuring the other.
Once more, Socrates, I will ask you to consider another way of speaking
about justice and injustice, which is not confined to the poets, but is found
in prose writers. The universal voice of mankind is always declaring that
justice and virtue are honourable, but grievous and toilsome; and that the
pleasures of vice and injustice are easy of attainment, and are only censured
by law and opinion. They say also that honesty is for the most part less
profitable than dishonesty; and they are quite ready to call wicked men
happy, and to honour them both in public and private when they are rich or
in any other way influential, while they despise and overlook those who
may be weak and poor, even though acknowledging them to be better than
the others. But most extraordinary of all is their mode of speaking about
virtue and the gods: they say that the gods apportion calamity and misery to
many good men, and good and happiness to the wicked. And mendicant
prophets go to rich men’s doors and persuade them that they have a power
committed to them by the gods of making an atonement for a man’s own or
his ancestor’s sins by sacrifices or charms, with rejoicings and feasts; and
they promise to harm an enemy, whether just or unjust, at a small cost; with
magic arts and incantations binding heaven, as they say, to execute their
will. And the poets are the authorities to whom they appeal, now smoothing
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‘Vice may be had in abundance without trouble; the way is smooth and
her dwelling-place is near. But before virtue the gods have set toil,’
and a tedious and uphill road: then citing Homer as a witness that the
gods may be influenced by men; for he also says:—
‘The gods, too, may be turned from their purpose; and men pray to them
and avert their wrath by sacrifices and soothing entreaties, and by libations
and the odour of fat, when they have sinned and transgressed.’
And they produce a host of books written by Musaeus and Orpheus, who
were children of the Moon and the Muses—that is what they say—
according to which they perform their ritual, and persuade not only
individuals, but whole cities, that expiations and atonements for sin may be
made by sacrifices and amusements which fill a vacant hour, and are
equally at the service of the living and the dead; the latter sort they call
mysteries, and they redeem us from the pains of hell, but if we neglect them
no one knows what awaits us.
He proceeded: And now when the young hear all this said about virtue
and vice, and the way in which gods and men regard them, how are their
minds likely to be affected, my dear Socrates,—those of them, I mean, who
are quickwitted, and, like bees on the wing, light on every flower, and from
all that they hear are prone to draw conclusions as to what manner of
persons they should be and in what way they should walk if they would
make the best of life? Probably the youth will say to himself in the words of
Pindar—
‘Can I by justice or by crooked ways of deceit ascend a loftier tower
which may be a fortress to me all my days?’
For what men say is that, if I am really just and am not also thought just
profit there is none, but the pain and loss on the other hand are
unmistakeable. But if, though unjust, I acquire the reputation of justice, a
heavenly life is promised to me. Since then, as philosophers prove,
appearance tyrannizes over truth and is lord of happiness, to appearance I
must devote myself. I will describe around me a picture and shadow of
virtue to be the vestibule and exterior of my house; behind I will trail the
subtle and crafty fox, as Archilochus, greatest of sages, recommends. But I
hear some one exclaiming that the concealment of wickedness is often
difficult; to which I answer, Nothing great is easy. Nevertheless, the
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we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret
brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who
teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by
persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be
punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived,
neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose
them to have no care of human things—why in either case should we mind
about concealment? And even if there are gods, and they do care about us,
yet we know of them only from tradition and the genealogies of the poets;
and these are the very persons who say that they may be influenced and
turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing entreaties and by offerings.’ Let us be
consistent then, and believe both or neither. If the poets speak truly, why
then we had better be unjust, and offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are
just, although we may escape the vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the
gains of injustice; but, if we are unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our
sinning and praying, and praying and sinning, the gods will be propitiated,
and we shall not be punished. ‘But there is a world below in which either
we or our posterity will suffer for our unjust deeds.’ Yes, my friend, will be
the reflection, but there are mysteries and atoning deities, and these have
great power. That is what mighty cities declare; and the children of the
gods, who were their poets and prophets, bear a like testimony.
On what principle, then, shall we any longer choose justice rather than
the worst injustice? when, if we only unite the latter with a deceitful regard
to appearances, we shall fare to our mind both with gods and men, in life
and after death, as the most numerous and the highest authorities tell us.
Knowing all this, Socrates, how can a man who has any superiority of mind
or person or rank or wealth, be willing to honour justice; or indeed to
refrain from laughing when he hears justice praised? And even if there
should be some one who is able to disprove the truth of my words, and who
is satisfied that justice is best, still he is not angry with the unjust, but is
very ready to forgive them, because he also knows that men are not just of
their own free will; unless, peradventure, there be some one whom the
divinity within him may have inspired with a hatred of injustice, or who has
attained knowledge of the truth—but no other man. He only blames
injustice who, owing to cowardice or age or some weakness, has not the
power of being unjust. And this is proved by the fact that when he obtains
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The cause of all this, Socrates, was indicated by us at the beginning of
the argument, when my brother and I told you how astonished we were to
find that of all the professing panegyrists of justice—beginning with the
ancient heroes of whom any memorial has been preserved to us, and ending
with the men of our own time—no one has ever blamed injustice or praised
justice except with a view to the glories, honours, and benefits which flow
from them. No one has ever adequately described either in verse or prose
the true essential nature of either of them abiding in the soul, and invisible
to any human or divine eye; or shown that of all the things of a man’s soul
which he has within him, justice is the greatest good, and injustice the
greatest evil. Had this been the universal strain, had you sought to persuade
us of this from our youth upwards, we should not have been on the watch to
keep one another from doing wrong, but every one would have been his
own watchman, because afraid, if he did wrong, of harbouring in himself
the greatest of evils. I dare say that Thrasymachus and others would
seriously hold the language which I have been merely repeating, and words
even stronger than these about justice and injustice, grossly, as I conceive,
perverting their true nature. But I speak in this vehement manner, as I must
frankly confess to you, because I want to hear from you the opposite side;
and I would ask you to show not only the superiority which justice has over
injustice, but what effect they have on the possessor of them which makes
the one to be a good and the other an evil to him. And please, as Glaucon
requested of you, to exclude reputations; for unless you take away from
each of them his true reputation and add on the false, we shall say that you
do not praise justice, but the appearance of it; we shall think that you are
only exhorting us to keep injustice dark, and that you really agree with
Thrasymachus in thinking that justice is another’s good and the interest of
the stronger, and that injustice is a man’s own profit and interest, though
injurious to the weaker. Now as you have admitted that justice is one of that
highest class of goods which are desired indeed for their results, but in a far
greater degree for their own sakes—like sight or hearing or knowledge or
health, or any other real and natural and not merely conventional good—I
would ask you in your praise of justice to regard one point only: I mean the
essential good and evil which justice and injustice work in the possessors of
them. Let others praise justice and censure injustice, magnifying the
rewards and honours of the one and abusing the other; that is a manner of
arguing which, coming from them, I am ready to tolerate, but from you who

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have spent your whole life in the consideration of this question, unless I
hear the contrary from your own lips, I expect something better. And
therefore, I say, not only prove to us that justice is better than injustice, but
show what they either of them do to the possessor of them, which makes the
one to be a good and the other an evil, whether seen or unseen by gods and
men.
I had always admired the genius of Glaucon and Adeimantus, but on
hearing these words I was quite delighted, and said: Sons of an illustrious
father, that was not a bad beginning of the Elegiac verses which the admirer
of Glaucon made in honour of you after you had distinguished yourselves at
the battle of Megara:—
‘Sons of Ariston,’ he sang, ‘divine offspring of an illustrious hero.’
The epithet is very appropriate, for there is something truly divine in
being able to argue as you have done for the superiority of injustice, and
remaining unconvinced by your own arguments. And I do believe that you
are not convinced—this I infer from your general character, for had I judged
only from your speeches I should have mistrusted you. But now, the greater
my confidence in you, the greater is my difficulty in knowing what to say.
For I am in a strait between two; on the one hand I feel that I am unequal to
the task; and my inability is brought home to me by the fact that you were
not satisfied with the answer which I made to Thrasymachus, proving, as I
thought, the superiority which justice has over injustice. And yet I cannot
refuse to help, while breath and speech remain to me; I am afraid that there
would be an impiety in being present when justice is evil spoken of and not
lifting up a hand in her defence. And therefore I had best give such help as I
can.
Glaucon and the rest entreated me by all means not to let the question
drop, but to proceed in the investigation. They wanted to arrive at the truth,
first, about the nature of justice and injustice, and secondly, about their
relative advantages. I told them, what I really thought, that the enquiry
would be of a serious nature, and would require very good eyes. Seeing
then, I said, that we are no great wits, I think that we had better adopt a
method which I may illustrate thus; suppose that a short-sighted person had
been asked by some one to read small letters from a distance; and it
occurred to some one else that they might be found in another place which
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he could read the larger letters first, and then proceed to the lesser—this
would have been thought a rare piece of good fortune.
Very true, said Adeimantus; but how does the illustration apply to our
enquiry?
I will tell you, I replied; justice, which is the subject of our enquiry, is, as
you know, sometimes spoken of as the virtue of an individual, and
sometimes as the virtue of a State.
True, he replied.
And is not a State larger than an individual?
It is.
Then in the larger the quantity of justice is likely to be larger and more
easily discernible. I propose therefore that we enquire into the nature of
justice and injustice, first as they appear in the State, and secondly in the
individual, proceeding from the greater to the lesser and comparing them.
That, he said, is an excellent proposal.
And if we imagine the State in process of creation, we shall see the
justice and injustice of the State in process of creation also.
I dare say.
When the State is completed there may be a hope that the object of our
search will be more easily discovered.
Yes, far more easily.
But ought we to attempt to construct one? I said; for to do so, as I am
inclined to think, will be a very serious task. Reflect therefore.
I have reflected, said Adeimantus, and am anxious that you should
proceed.
A State, I said, arises, as I conceive, out of the needs of mankind; no one
is self-sufficing, but all of us have many wants. Can any other origin of a
State be imagined?
There can be no other.
Then, as we have many wants, and many persons are needed to supply
them, one takes a helper for one purpose and another for another; and when
these partners and helpers are gathered together in one habitation the body
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True, he said.
And they exchange with one another, and one gives, and another
receives, under the idea that the exchange will be for their good.
Very true.
Then, I said, let us begin and create in idea a State; and yet the true
creator is necessity, who is the mother of our invention.
Of course, he replied.
Now the first and greatest of necessities is food, which is the condition of
life and existence.
Certainly.
The second is a dwelling, and the third clothing and the like.
True.
And now let us see how our city will be able to supply this great demand:
We may suppose that one man is a husbandman, another a builder, some
one else a weaver—shall we add to them a shoemaker, or perhaps some
other purveyor to our bodily wants?
Quite right.
The barest notion of a State must include four or five men.
Clearly.
And how will they proceed? Will each bring the result of his labours into
a common stock?—the individual husbandman, for example, producing for
four, and labouring four times as long and as much as he need in the
provision of food with which he supplies others as well as himself; or will
he have nothing to do with others and not be at the trouble of producing for
them, but provide for himself alone a fourth of the food in a fourth of the
time, and in the remaining three fourths of his time be employed in making
a house or a coat or a pair of shoes, having no partnership with others, but
supplying himself all his own wants?
Adeimantus thought that he should aim at producing food only and not at
producing everything.
Probably, I replied, that would be the better way; and when I hear you
say this, I am myself reminded that we are not all alike; there are diversities
of natures among us which are adapted to different occupations.
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And will you have a work better done when the workman has many
occupations, or when he has only one?
When he has only one.
Further, there can be no doubt that a work is spoilt when not done at the
right time?
No doubt.
For business is not disposed to wait until the doer of the business is at
leisure; but the doer must follow up what he is doing, and make the
business his first object.
He must.
And if so, we must infer that all things are produced more plentifully and
easily and of a better quality when one man does one thing which is natural
to him and does it at the right time, and leaves other things.
Undoubtedly.
Then more than four citizens will be required; for the husbandman will
not make his own plough or mattock, or other implements of agriculture, if
they are to be good for anything. Neither will the builder make his tools—
and he too needs many; and in like manner the weaver and shoemaker.
True.
Then carpenters, and smiths, and many other artisans, will be sharers in
our little State, which is already beginning to grow?
True.
Yet even if we add neatherds, shepherds, and other herdsmen, in order
that our husbandmen may have oxen to plough with, and builders as well as
husbandmen may have draught cattle, and curriers and weavers fleeces and
hides,—still our State will not be very large.
That is true; yet neither will it be a very small State which contains all
these.
Then, again, there is the situation of the city—to find a place where
nothing need be imported is wellnigh impossible.
Impossible.
Then there must be another class of citizens who will bring the required
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There must.
But if the trader goes empty-handed, having nothing which they require
who would supply his need, he will come back empty-handed.
That is certain.
And therefore what they produce at home must be not only enough for
themselves, but such both in quantity and quality as to accommodate those
from whom their wants are supplied.
Very true.
Then more husbandmen and more artisans will be required?
They will.
Not to mention the importers and exporters, who are called merchants?
Yes.
Then we shall want merchants?
We shall.
And if merchandise is to be carried over the sea, skilful sailors will also
be needed, and in considerable numbers?
Yes, in considerable numbers.
Then, again, within the city, how will they exchange their productions?
To secure such an exchange was, as you will remember, one of our principal
objects when we formed them into a society and constituted a State.
Clearly they will buy and sell.
Then they will need a market-place, and a money-token for purposes of
exchange.
Certainly.
Suppose now that a husbandman, or an artisan, brings some production to
market, and he comes at a time when there is no one to exchange with him,
—is he to leave his calling and sit idle in the market-place?
Not at all; he will find people there who, seeing the want, undertake the
office of salesmen. In well-ordered states they are commonly those who are
the weakest in bodily strength, and therefore of little use for any other
purpose; their duty is to be in the market, and to give money in exchange
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This want, then, creates a class of retail-traders in our State. Is not
‘retailer’ the term which is applied to those who sit in the market-place
engaged in buying and selling, while those who wander from one city to
another are called merchants?
Yes, he said.
And there is another class of servants, who are intellectually hardly on
the level of companionship; still they have plenty of bodily strength for
labour, which accordingly they sell, and are called, if I do not mistake,
hirelings, hire being the name which is given to the price of their labour.
True.
Then hirelings will help to make up our population?
Yes.
And now, Adeimantus, is our State matured and perfected?
I think so.
Where, then, is justice, and where is injustice, and in what part of the
State did they spring up?
Probably in the dealings of these citizens with one another. I cannot
imagine that they are more likely to be found any where else.
I dare say that you are right in your suggestion, I said; we had better
think the matter out, and not shrink from the enquiry.
Let us then consider, first of all, what will be their way of life, now that
we have thus established them. Will they not produce corn, and wine, and
clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves? And when they are
housed, they will work, in summer, commonly, stripped and barefoot, but in
winter substantially clothed and shod. They will feed on barley-meal and
flour of wheat, baking and kneading them, making noble cakes and loaves;
these they will serve up on a mat of reeds or on clean leaves, themselves
reclining the while upon beds strewn with yew or myrtle. And they and
their children will feast, drinking of the wine which they have made,
wearing garlands on their heads, and hymning the praises of the gods, in
happy converse with one another. And they will take care that their families
do not exceed their means; having an eye to poverty or war.
But, said Glaucon, interposing, you have not given them a relish to their
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True, I replied, I had forgotten; of course they must have a relish—salt,
and olives, and cheese, and they will boil roots and herbs such as country
people prepare; for a dessert we shall give them figs, and peas, and beans;
and they will roast myrtle-berries and acorns at the fire, drinking in
moderation. And with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace and
health to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their children after
them.
Yes, Socrates, he said, and if you were providing for a city of pigs, how
else would you feed the beasts?
But what would you have, Glaucon? I replied.
Why, he said, you should give them the ordinary conveniences of life.
People who are to be comfortable are accustomed to lie on sofas, and dine
off tables, and they should have sauces and sweets in the modern style.
Yes, I said, now I understand: the question which you would have me
consider is, not only how a State, but how a luxurious State is created; and
possibly there is no harm in this, for in such a State we shall be more likely
to see how justice and injustice originate. In my opinion the true and
healthy constitution of the State is the one which I have described. But if
you wish also to see a State at fever-heat, I have no objection. For I suspect
that many will not be satisfied with the simpler way of life. They will be for
adding sofas, and tables, and other furniture; also dainties, and perfumes,
and incense, and courtesans, and cakes, all these not of one sort only, but in
every variety; we must go beyond the necessaries of which I was at first
speaking, such as houses, and clothes, and shoes: the arts of the painter and
the embroiderer will have to be set in motion, and gold and ivory and all
sorts of materials must be procured.
True, he said.
Then we must enlarge our borders; for the original healthy State is no
longer sufficient. Now will the city have to fill and swell with a multitude
of callings which are not required by any natural want; such as the whole
tribe of hunters and actors, of whom one large class have to do with forms
and colours; another will be the votaries of music—poets and their
attendant train of rhapsodists, players, dancers, contractors; also makers of
divers kinds of articles, including women’s dresses. And we shall want
more servants. Will not tutors be also in request, and nurses wet and dry,
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too, who were not needed and therefore had no place in the former edition
of our State, but are needed now? They must not be forgotten: and there
will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat them.
Certainly.
And living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians
than before?
Much greater.
And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants
will be too small now, and not enough?
Quite true.
Then a slice of our neighbours’ land will be wanted by us for pasture and
tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they exceed the
limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited accumulation of
wealth?
That, Socrates, will be inevitable.
And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?
Most certainly, he replied.
Then without determining as yet whether war does good or harm, thus
much we may affirm, that now we have discovered war to be derived from
causes which are also the causes of almost all the evils in States, private as
well as public.
Undoubtedly.
And our State must once more enlarge; and this time the enlargement will
be nothing short of a whole army, which will have to go out and fight with
the invaders for all that we have, as well as for the things and persons
whom we were describing above.
Why? he said; are they not capable of defending themselves?
No, I said; not if we were right in the principle which was acknowledged
by all of us when we were framing the State: the principle, as you will
remember, was that one man cannot practise many arts with success.
Very true, he said.
But is not war an art?
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And an art requiring as much attention as shoemaking?
Quite true.
And the shoemaker was not allowed by us to be a husbandman, or a
weaver, or a builder—in order that we might have our shoes well made; but
to him and to every other worker was assigned one work for which he was
by nature fitted, and at that he was to continue working all his life long and
at no other; he was not to let opportunities slip, and then he would become a
good workman. Now nothing can be more important than that the work of a
soldier should be well done. But is war an art so easily acquired that a man
may be a warrior who is also a husbandman, or shoemaker, or other artisan;
although no one in the world would be a good dice or draught player who
merely took up the game as a recreation, and had not from his earliest years
devoted himself to this and nothing else? No tools will make a man a
skilled workman, or master of defence, nor be of any use to him who has
not learned how to handle them, and has never bestowed any attention upon
them. How then will he who takes up a shield or other implement of war
become a good fighter all in a day, whether with heavy-armed or any other
kind of troops?
Yes, he said, the tools which would teach men their own use would be
beyond price.
And the higher the duties of the guardian, I said, the more time, and skill,
and art, and application will be needed by him?
No doubt, he replied.
Will he not also require natural aptitude for his calling?
Certainly.
Then it will be our duty to select, if we can, natures which are fitted for
the task of guarding the city?
It will.
And the selection will be no easy matter, I said; but we must be brave and
do our best.
We must.
Is not the noble youth very like a well-bred dog in respect of guarding
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I mean that both of them ought to be quick to see, and swift to overtake
the enemy when they see him; and strong too if, when they have caught
him, they have to fight with him.
All these qualities, he replied, will certainly be required by them.
Well, and your guardian must be brave if he is to fight well?
Certainly.
And is he likely to be brave who has no spirit, whether horse or dog or
any other animal? Have you never observed how invincible and
unconquerable is spirit and how the presence of it makes the soul of any
creature to be absolutely fearless and indomitable?
I have.
Then now we have a clear notion of the bodily qualities which are
required in the guardian.
True.
And also of the mental ones; his soul is to be full of spirit?
Yes.
But are not these spirited natures apt to be savage with one another, and
with everybody else?
A difficulty by no means easy to overcome, he replied.
Whereas, I said, they ought to be dangerous to their enemies, and gentle
to their friends; if not, they will destroy themselves without waiting for their
enemies to destroy them.
True, he said.
What is to be done then? I said; how shall we find a gentle nature which
has also a great spirit, for the one is the contradiction of the other?
True.
He will not be a good guardian who is wanting in either of these two
qualities; and yet the combination of them appears to be impossible; and
hence we must infer that to be a good guardian is impossible.
I am afraid that what you say is true, he replied.
Here feeling perplexed I began to think over what had preceded.—My
friend, I said, no wonder that we are in a perplexity; for we have lost sight
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What do you mean? he said.
I mean to say that there do exist natures gifted with those opposite
qualities.
And where do you find them?
Many animals, I replied, furnish examples of them; our friend the dog is
a very good one: you know that well-bred dogs are perfectly gentle to their
familiars and acquaintances, and the reverse to strangers.
Yes, I know.
Then there is nothing impossible or out of the order of nature in our
finding a guardian who has a similar combination of qualities?
Certainly not.
Would not he who is fitted to be a guardian, besides the spirited nature,
need to have the qualities of a philosopher?
I do not apprehend your meaning.
The trait of which I am speaking, I replied, may be also seen in the dog,
and is remarkable in the animal.
What trait?
Why, a dog, whenever he sees a stranger, is angry; when an acquaintance,
he welcomes him, although the one has never done him any harm, nor the
other any good. Did this never strike you as curious?
The matter never struck me before; but I quite recognise the truth of your
remark.
And surely this instinct of the dog is very charming;—your dog is a true
philosopher.
Why?
Why, because he distinguishes the face of a friend and of an enemy only
by the criterion of knowing and not knowing. And must not an animal be a
lover of learning who determines what he likes and dislikes by the test of
knowledge and ignorance?
Most assuredly.
And is not the love of learning the love of wisdom, which is philosophy?
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And may we not say confidently of man also, that he who is likely to be
gentle to his friends and acquaintances, must by nature be a lover of
wisdom and knowledge?
That we may safely affirm.
Then he who is to be a really good and noble guardian of the State will
require to unite in himself philosophy and spirit and swiftness and strength?
Undoubtedly.
Then we have found the desired natures; and now that we have found
them, how are they to be reared and educated? Is not this an enquiry which
may be expected to throw light on the greater enquiry which is our final end
—How do justice and injustice grow up in States? for we do not want either
to omit what is to the point or to draw out the argument to an inconvenient
length.
Adeimantus thought that the enquiry would be of great service to us.
Then, I said, my dear friend, the task must not be given up, even if
somewhat long.
Certainly not.
Come then, and let us pass a leisure hour in story-telling, and our story
shall be the education of our heroes.
By all means.
And what shall be their education? Can we find a better than the
traditional sort?—and this has two divisions, gymnastic for the body, and
music for the soul.
True.
Shall we begin education with music, and go on to gymnastic afterwards?
By all means.
And when you speak of music, do you include literature or not?
I do.
And literature may be either true or false?
Yes.
And the young should be trained in both kinds, and we begin with the
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You know, I said, that we begin by telling children stories which, though
not wholly destitute of truth, are in the main fictitious; and these stories are
told them when they are not of an age to learn gymnastics.
Very true.
That was my meaning when I said that we must teach music before
gymnastics.
Quite right, he said.
You know also that the beginning is the most important part of any work,
especially in the case of a young and tender thing; for that is the time at
which the character is being formed and the desired impression is more
readily taken.
Quite true.
And shall we just carelessly allow children to hear any casual tales which
may be devised by casual persons, and to receive into their minds ideas for
the most part the very opposite of those which we should wish them to have
when they are grown up?
We cannot.
Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of the writers of
fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction which is good, and
reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their children
the authorised ones only. Let them fashion the mind with such tales, even
more fondly than they mould the body with their hands; but most of those
which are now in use must be discarded.
Of what tales are you speaking? he said.
You may find a model of the lesser in the greater, I said; for they are
necessarily of the same type, and there is the same spirit in both of them.
Very likely, he replied; but I do not as yet know what you would term the
greater.
Those, I said, which are narrated by Homer and Hesiod, and the rest of
the poets, who have ever been the great story-tellers of mankind.
But which stories do you mean, he said; and what fault do you find with
them?
A fault which is most serious, I said; the fault of telling a lie, and, what is
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But when is this fault committed?
Whenever an erroneous representation is made of the nature of gods and
heroes,—as when a painter paints a portrait not having the shadow of a
likeness to the original.
Yes, he said, that sort of thing is certainly very blameable; but what are
the stories which you mean?
First of all, I said, there was that greatest of all lies in high places, which
the poet told about Uranus, and which was a bad lie too,—I mean what
Hesiod says that Uranus did, and how Cronus retaliated on him. The doings
of Cronus, and the sufferings which in turn his son inflicted upon him, even
if they were true, ought certainly not to be lightly told to young and
thoughtless persons; if possible, they had better be buried in silence. But if
there is an absolute necessity for their mention, a chosen few might hear
them in a mystery, and they should sacrifice not a common (Eleusinian) pig,
but some huge and unprocurable victim; and then the number of the hearers
will be very few indeed.
Why, yes, said he, those stories are extremely objectionable.
Yes, Adeimantus, they are stories not to be repeated in our State; the
young man should not be told that in committing the worst of crimes he is
far from doing anything outrageous; and that even if he chastises his father
when he does wrong, in whatever manner, he will only be following the
example of the first and greatest among the gods.
I entirely agree with you, he said; in my opinion those stories are quite
unfit to be repeated.
Neither, if we mean our future guardians to regard the habit of quarrelling
among themselves as of all things the basest, should any word be said to
them of the wars in heaven, and of the plots and fightings of the gods
against one another, for they are not true. No, we shall never mention the
battles of the giants, or let them be embroidered on garments; and we shall
be silent about the innumerable other quarrels of gods and heroes with their
friends and relatives. If they would only believe us we would tell them that
quarrelling is unholy, and that never up to this time has there been any
quarrel between citizens; this is what old men and old women should begin
by telling children; and when they grow up, the poets also should be told to
compose for them in a similar spirit. But the narrative of Hephaestus
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for taking her part when she was being beaten, and all the battles of the
gods in Homer—these tales must not be admitted into our State, whether
they are supposed to have an allegorical meaning or not. For a young
person cannot judge what is allegorical and what is literal; anything that he
receives into his mind at that age is likely to become indelible and
unalterable; and therefore it is most important that the tales which the
young first hear should be models of virtuous thoughts.
There you are right, he replied; but if any one asks where are such
models to be found and of what tales are you speaking—how shall we
answer him?
I said to him, You and I, Adeimantus, at this moment are not poets, but
founders of a State: now the founders of a State ought to know the general
forms in which poets should cast their tales, and the limits which must be
observed by them, but to make the tales is not their business.
Very true, he said; but what are these forms of theology which you mean?
Something of this kind, I replied:—God is always to be represented as he
truly is, whatever be the sort of poetry, epic, lyric or tragic, in which the
representation is given.
Right.
And is he not truly good? and must he not be represented as such?
Certainly.
And no good thing is hurtful?
No, indeed.
And that which is not hurtful hurts not?
Certainly not.
And that which hurts not does no evil?
No.
And can that which does no evil be a cause of evil?
Impossible.
And the good is advantageous?
Yes.
And therefore the cause of well-being?
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It follows therefore that the good is not the cause of all things, but of the
good only?
Assuredly.
Then God, if he be good, is not the author of all things, as the many
assert, but he is the cause of a few things only, and not of most things that
occur to men. For few are the goods of human life, and many are the evils,
and the good is to be attributed to God alone; of the evils the causes are to
be sought elsewhere, and not in him.
That appears to me to be most true, he said.
Then we must not listen to Homer or to any other poet who is guilty of
the folly of saying that two casks
‘Lie at the threshold of Zeus, full of lots, one of good, the other of evil
lots,’
and that he to whom Zeus gives a mixture of the two
‘Sometimes meets with evil fortune, at other times with good;’
but that he to whom is given the cup of unmingled ill,
‘Him wild hunger drives o’er the beauteous earth.’
And again—
‘Zeus, who is the dispenser of good and evil to us.’
And if any one asserts that the violation of oaths and treaties, which was
really the work of Pandarus, was brought about by Athene and Zeus, or that
the strife and contention of the gods was instigated by Themis and Zeus, he
shall not have our approval; neither will we allow our young men to hear
the words of Aeschylus, that
‘God plants guilt among men when he desires utterly to destroy a house.’
And if a poet writes of the sufferings of Niobe—the subject of the
tragedy in which these iambic verses occur—or of the house of Pelops, or
of the Trojan war or on any similar theme, either we must not permit him to
say that these are the works of God, or if they are of God, he must devise
some explanation of them such as we are seeking; he must say that God did
what was just and right, and they were the better for being punished; but
that those who are punished are miserable, and that God is the author of
their misery—the poet is not to be permitted to say; though he may say that
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benefited by receiving punishment from God; but that God being good is
the author of evil to any one is to be strenuously denied, and not to be said
or sung or heard in verse or prose by any one whether old or young in any
well-ordered commonwealth. Such a fiction is suicidal, ruinous, impious.
I agree with you, he replied, and am ready to give my assent to the law.
Let this then be one of our rules and principles concerning the gods, to
which our poets and reciters will be expected to conform,—that God is not
the author of all things, but of good only.
That will do, he said.
And what do you think of a second principle? Shall I ask you whether
God is a magician, and of a nature to appear insidiously now in one shape,
and now in another—sometimes himself changing and passing into many
forms, sometimes deceiving us with the semblance of such transformations;
or is he one and the same immutably fixed in his own proper image?
I cannot answer you, he said, without more thought.
Well, I said; but if we suppose a change in anything, that change must be
effected either by the thing itself, or by some other thing?
Most certainly.
And things which are at their best are also least liable to be altered or
discomposed; for example, when healthiest and strongest, the human frame
is least liable to be affected by meats and drinks, and the plant which is in
the fullest vigour also suffers least from winds or the heat of the sun or any
similar causes.
Of course.
And will not the bravest and wisest soul be least confused or deranged by
any external influence?
True.
And the same principle, as I should suppose, applies to all composite
things—furniture, houses, garments: when good and well made, they are
least altered by time and circumstances.
Very true.
Then everything which is good, whether made by art or nature, or both, is
least liable to suffer change from without?
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But surely God and the things of God are in every way perfect?
Of course they are.
Then he can hardly be compelled by external influence to take many
shapes?
He cannot.
But may he not change and transform himself?
Clearly, he said, that must be the case if he is changed at all.
And will he then change himself for the better and fairer, or for the worse
and more unsightly?
If he change at all he can only change for the worse, for we cannot
suppose him to be deficient either in virtue or beauty.
Very true, Adeimantus; but then, would any one, whether God or man,
desire to make himself worse?
Impossible.
Then it is impossible that God should ever be willing to change; being, as
is supposed, the fairest and best that is conceivable, every God remains
absolutely and for ever in his own form.
That necessarily follows, he said, in my judgment.
Then, I said, my dear friend, let none of the poets tell us that
‘The gods, taking the disguise of strangers from other lands, walk up and
down cities in all sorts of forms;’
and let no one slander Proteus and Thetis, neither let any one, either in
tragedy or in any other kind of poetry, introduce Here disguised in the
likeness of a priestess asking an alms
‘For the life-giving daughters of Inachus the river of Argos;’
—let us have no more lies of that sort. Neither must we have mothers
under the influence of the poets scaring their children with a bad version of
these myths—telling how certain gods, as they say, ‘Go about by night in
the likeness of so many strangers and in divers forms;’ but let them take
heed lest they make cowards of their children, and at the same time speak
blasphemy against the gods.
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But although the gods are themselves unchangeable, still by witchcraft
and deception they may make us think that they appear in various forms?
Perhaps, he replied.
Well, but can you imagine that God will be willing to lie, whether in
word or deed, or to put forth a phantom of himself?
I cannot say, he replied.
Do you not know, I said, that the true lie, if such an expression may be
allowed, is hated of gods and men?
What do you mean? he said.
I mean that no one is willingly deceived in that which is the truest and
highest part of himself, or about the truest and highest matters; there, above
all, he is most afraid of a lie having possession of him.
Still, he said, I do not comprehend you.
The reason is, I replied, that you attribute some profound meaning to my
words; but I am only saying that deception, or being deceived or
uninformed about the highest realities in the highest part of themselves,
which is the soul, and in that part of them to have and to hold the lie, is
what mankind least like;—that, I say, is what they utterly detest.
There is nothing more hateful to them.
And, as I was just now remarking, this ignorance in the soul of him who
is deceived may be called the true lie; for the lie in words is only a kind of
imitation and shadowy image of a previous affection of the soul, not pure
unadulterated falsehood. Am I not right?
Perfectly right.
The true lie is hated not only by the gods, but also by men?
Yes.
Whereas the lie in words is in certain cases useful and not hateful; in
dealing with enemies—that would be an instance; or again, when those
whom we call our friends in a fit of madness or illusion are going to do
some harm, then it is useful and is a sort of medicine or preventive; also in
the tales of mythology, of which we were just now speaking—because we
do not know the truth about ancient times, we make falsehood as much like
truth as we can, and so turn it to account.
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But can any of these reasons apply to God? Can we suppose that he is
ignorant of antiquity, and therefore has recourse to invention?
That would be ridiculous, he said.
Then the lying poet has no place in our idea of God?
I should say not.
Or perhaps he may tell a lie because he is afraid of enemies?
That is inconceivable.
But he may have friends who are senseless or mad?
But no mad or senseless person can be a friend of God.
Then no motive can be imagined why God should lie?
None whatever.
Then the superhuman and divine is absolutely incapable of falsehood?
Yes.
Then is God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed; he changes
not; he deceives not, either by sign or word, by dream or waking vision.
Your thoughts, he said, are the reflection of my own.
You agree with me then, I said, that this is the second type or form in
which we should write and speak about divine things. The gods are not
magicians who transform themselves, neither do they deceive mankind in
any way.
I grant that.
Then, although we are admirers of Homer, we do not admire the lying
dream which Zeus sends to Agamemnon; neither will we praise the verses
of Aeschylus in which Thetis says that Apollo at her nuptials
‘Was celebrating in song her fair progeny whose days were to be long,
and to know no sickness. And when he had spoken of my lot as in all things
blessed of heaven he raised a note of triumph and cheered my soul. And I
thought that the word of Phoebus, being divine and full of prophecy, would
not fail. And now he himself who uttered the strain, he who was present at
the banquet, and who said this—he it is who has slain my son.’
These are the kind of sentiments about the gods which will arouse our
anger; and he who utters them shall be refused a chorus; neither shall we
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meaning, as we do, that our guardians, as far as men can be, should be true
worshippers of the gods and like them.
I entirely agree, he said, in these principles, and promise to make them
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BOOK III.

Such then, I said, are our principles of theology—some tales are to be
told, and others are not to be told to our disciples from their youth upwards,
if we mean them to honour the gods and their parents, and to value
friendship with one another.
Yes; and I think that our principles are right, he said.
But if they are to be courageous, must they not learn other lessons
besides these, and lessons of such a kind as will take away the fear of
death? Can any man be courageous who has the fear of death in him?
Certainly not, he said.
And can he be fearless of death, or will he choose death in battle rather
than defeat and slavery, who believes the world below to be real and
terrible?
Impossible.
Then we must assume a control over the narrators of this class of tales as
well as over the others, and beg them not simply to revile but rather to
commend the world below, intimating to them that their descriptions are
untrue, and will do harm to our future warriors.
That will be our duty, he said.
Then, I said, we shall have to obliterate many obnoxious passages,
beginning with the verses,
‘I would rather be a serf on the land of a poor and portionless man than
rule over all the dead who have come to nought.’
We must also expunge the verse, which tells us how Pluto feared,
‘Lest the mansions grim and squalid which the gods abhor should be seen
both of mortals and immortals.’
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‘O heavens! verily in the house of Hades there is soul and ghostly form
but no mind at all!’
Again of Tiresias:—
‘(To him even after death did Persephone grant mind,) that he alone
should be wise; but the other souls are flitting shades.’
Again:—
‘The soul flying from the limbs had gone to Hades, lamenting her fate,
leaving manhood and youth.’
Again:—
‘And the soul, with shrilling cry, passed like smoke beneath the earth.’
And,—
‘As bats in hollow of mystic cavern, whenever any of them has dropped
out of the string and falls from the rock, fly shrilling and cling to one
another, so did they with shrilling cry hold together as they moved.’
And we must beg Homer and the other poets not to be angry if we strike
out these and similar passages, not because they are unpoetical, or
unattractive to the popular ear, but because the greater the poetical charm of
them, the less are they meet for the ears of boys and men who are meant to
be free, and who should fear slavery more than death.
Undoubtedly.
Also we shall have to reject all the terrible and appalling names which
describe the world below—Cocytus and Styx, ghosts under the earth, and
sapless shades, and any similar words of which the very mention causes a
shudder to pass through the inmost soul of him who hears them. I do not
say that these horrible stories may not have a use of some kind; but there is
a danger that the nerves of our guardians may be rendered too excitable and
effeminate by them.
There is a real danger, he said.
Then we must have no more of them.
True.
Another and a nobler strain must be composed and sung by us.
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And shall we proceed to get rid of the weepings and wailings of famous
men?
They will go with the rest.
But shall we be right in getting rid of them? Reflect: our principle is that
the good man will not consider death terrible to any other good man who is
his comrade.
Yes; that is our principle.
And therefore he will not sorrow for his departed friend as though he had
suffered anything terrible?
He will not.
Such an one, as we further maintain, is sufficient for himself and his own
happiness, and therefore is least in need of other men.
True, he said.
And for this reason the loss of a son or brother, or the deprivation of
fortune, is to him of all men least terrible.
Assuredly.
And therefore he will be least likely to lament, and will bear with the
greatest equanimity any misfortune of this sort which may befall him.
Yes, he will feel such a misfortune far less than another.
Then we shall be right in getting rid of the lamentations of famous men,
and making them over to women (and not even to women who are good for
anything), or to men of a baser sort, that those who are being educated by us
to be the defenders of their country may scorn to do the like.
That will be very right.
Then we will once more entreat Homer and the other poets not to depict
Achilles, who is the son of a goddess, first lying on his side, then on his
back, and then on his face; then starting up and sailing in a frenzy along the
shores of the barren sea; now taking the sooty ashes in both his hands and
pouring them over his head, or weeping and wailing in the various modes
which Homer has delineated. Nor should he describe Priam the kinsman of
the gods as praying and beseeching,
‘Rolling in the dirt, calling each man loudly by his name.’
Still more earnestly will we beg of him at all events not to introduce the
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‘Alas! my misery! Alas! that I bore the bravest to my sorrow.’
But if he must introduce the gods, at any rate let him not dare so
completely to misrepresent the greatest of the gods, as to make him say—
‘O heavens! with my eyes verily I behold a dear friend of mine chased
round and round the city, and my heart is sorrowful.’
Or again:—
Woe is me that I am fated to have Sarpedon, dearest of men to me,
subdued at the hands of Patroclus the son of Menoetius.’
For if, my sweet Adeimantus, our youth seriously listen to such unworthy
representations of the gods, instead of laughing at them as they ought,
hardly will any of them deem that he himself, being but a man, can be
dishonoured by similar actions; neither will he rebuke any inclination which
may arise in his mind to say and do the like. And instead of having any
shame or self-control, he will be always whining and lamenting on slight
occasions.
Yes, he said, that is most true.
Yes, I replied; but that surely is what ought not to be, as the argument has
just proved to us; and by that proof we must abide until it is disproved by a
better.
It ought not to be.
Neither ought our guardians to be given to laughter. For a fit of laughter
which has been indulged to excess almost always produces a violent
reaction.
So I believe.
Then persons of worth, even if only mortal men, must not be represented
as overcome by laughter, and still less must such a representation of the
gods be allowed.
Still less of the gods, as you say, he replied.
Then we shall not suffer such an expression to be used about the gods as
that of Homer when he describes how
‘Inextinguishable laughter arose among the blessed gods, when they saw
Hephaestus bustling about the mansion.’
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On my views, if you like to father them on me; that we must not admit
them is certain.
Again, truth should be highly valued; if, as we were saying, a lie is
useless to the gods, and useful only as a medicine to men, then the use of
such medicines should be restricted to physicians; private individuals have
no business with them.
Clearly not, he said.
Then if any one at all is to have the privilege of lying, the rulers of the
State should be the persons; and they, in their dealings either with enemies
or with their own citizens, may be allowed to lie for the public good. But
nobody else should meddle with anything of the kind; and although the
rulers have this privilege, for a private man to lie to them in return is to be
deemed a more heinous fault than for the patient or the pupil of a
gymnasium not to speak the truth about his own bodily illnesses to the
physician or to the trainer, or for a sailor not to tell the captain what is
happening about the ship and the rest of the crew, and how things are going
with himself or his fellow sailors.
Most true, he said.
If, then, the ruler catches anybody beside himself lying in the State,
‘Any of the craftsmen, whether he be priest or physician or carpenter,’
he will punish him for introducing a practice which is equally subversive
and destructive of ship or State.
Most certainly, he said, if our idea of the State is ever carried out.
In the next place our youth must be temperate?
Certainly.
Are not the chief elements of temperance, speaking generally, obedience
to commanders and self-control in sensual pleasures?
True.
Then we shall approve such language as that of Diomede in Homer,
‘Friend, sit still and obey my word,’
and the verses which follow,
‘The Greeks marched breathing prowess, ...in silent awe of their leaders,’
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We shall.
What of this line,
‘O heavy with wine, who hast the eyes of a dog and the heart of a stag,’
and of the words which follow? Would you say that these, or any similar
impertinences which private individuals are supposed to address to their
rulers, whether in verse or prose, are well or ill spoken?
They are ill spoken.
They may very possibly afford some amusement, but they do not
conduce to temperance. And therefore they are likely to do harm to our
young men—you would agree with me there?
Yes.
And then, again, to make the wisest of men say that nothing in his
opinion is more glorious than
‘When the tables are full of bread and meat, and the cup-bearer carries
round wine which he draws from the bowl and pours into the cups,’
is it fit or conducive to temperance for a young man to hear such words?
Or the verse
‘The saddest of fates is to die and meet destiny from hunger?’
What would you say again to the tale of Zeus, who, while other gods and
men were asleep and he the only person awake, lay devising plans, but
forgot them all in a moment through his lust, and was so completely
overcome at the sight of Here that he would not even go into the hut, but
wanted to lie with her on the ground, declaring that he had never been in
such a state of rapture before, even when they first met one another
‘Without the knowledge of their parents;’
or that other tale of how Hephaestus, because of similar goings on, cast a
chain around Ares and Aphrodite?
Indeed, he said, I am strongly of opinion that they ought not to hear that
sort of thing.
But any deeds of endurance which are done or told by famous men, these
they ought to see and hear; as, for example, what is said in the verses,
‘He smote his breast, and thus reproached his heart, Endure, my heart; far
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Certainly, he said.
In the next place, we must not let them be receivers of gifts or lovers of
money.
Certainly not.
Neither must we sing to them of
‘Gifts persuading gods, and persuading reverend kings.’
Neither is Phoenix, the tutor of Achilles, to be approved or deemed to
have given his pupil good counsel when he told him that he should take the
gifts of the Greeks and assist them; but that without a gift he should not lay
aside his anger. Neither will we believe or acknowledge Achilles himself to
have been such a lover of money that he took Agamemnon’s gifts, or that
when he had received payment he restored the dead body of Hector, but that
without payment he was unwilling to do so.
Undoubtedly, he said, these are not sentiments which can be approved.
Loving Homer as I do, I hardly like to say that in attributing these
feelings to Achilles, or in believing that they are truly attributed to him, he
is guilty of downright impiety. As little can I believe the narrative of his
insolence to Apollo, where he says,
‘Thou hast wronged me, O far-darter, most abominable of deities. Verily I
would be even with thee, if I had only the power;’
or his insubordination to the river-god, on whose divinity he is ready to
lay hands; or his offering to the dead Patroclus of his own hair, which had
been previously dedicated to the other river-god Spercheius, and that he
actually performed this vow; or that he dragged Hector round the tomb of
Patroclus, and slaughtered the captives at the pyre; of all this I cannot
believe that he was guilty, any more than I can allow our citizens to believe
that he, the wise Cheiron’s pupil, the son of a goddess and of Peleus who
was the gentlest of men and third in descent from Zeus, was so disordered
in his wits as to be at one time the slave of two seemingly inconsistent
passions, meanness, not untainted by avarice, combined with overweening
contempt of gods and men.
You are quite right, he replied.
And let us equally refuse to believe, or allow to be repeated, the tale of
Theseus son of Poseidon, or of Peirithous son of Zeus, going forth as they
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do such impious and dreadful things as they falsely ascribe to them in our
day: and let us further compel the poets to declare either that these acts
were not done by them, or that they were not the sons of gods;—both in the
same breath they shall not be permitted to affirm. We will not have them
trying to persuade our youth that the gods are the authors of evil, and that
heroes are no better than men—sentiments which, as we were saying, are
neither pious nor true, for we have already proved that evil cannot come
from the gods.
Assuredly not.
And further they are likely to have a bad effect on those who hear them;
for everybody will begin to excuse his own vices when he is convinced that
similar wickednesses are always being perpetrated by—
‘The kindred of the gods, the relatives of Zeus, whose ancestral altar, the
altar of Zeus, is aloft in air on the peak of Ida,’
and who have
‘the blood of deities yet flowing in their veins.’
And therefore let us put an end to such tales, lest they engender laxity of
morals among the young.
By all means, he replied.
But now that we are determining what classes of subjects are or are not to
be spoken of, let us see whether any have been omitted by us. The manner
in which gods and demigods and heroes and the world below should be
treated has been already laid down.
Very true.
And what shall we say about men? That is clearly the remaining portion
of our subject.
Clearly so.
But we are not in a condition to answer this question at present, my
friend.
Why not?
Because, if I am not mistaken, we shall have to say that about men poets
and story-tellers are guilty of making the gravest misstatements when they
tell us that wicked men are often happy, and the good miserable; and that
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and another’s gain—these things we shall forbid them to utter, and
command them to sing and say the opposite.
To be sure we shall, he replied.
But if you admit that I am right in this, then I shall maintain that you
have implied the principle for which we have been all along contending.
I grant the truth of your inference.
That such things are or are not to be said about men is a question which
we cannot determine until we have discovered what justice is, and how
naturally advantageous to the possessor, whether he seem to be just or not.
Most true, he said.
Enough of the subjects of poetry: let us now speak of the style; and when
this has been considered, both matter and manner will have been
completely treated.
I do not understand what you mean, said Adeimantus.
Then I must make you understand; and perhaps I may be more
intelligible if I put the matter in this way. You are aware, I suppose, that all
mythology and poetry is a narration of events, either past, present, or to
come?
Certainly, he replied.
And narration may be either simple narration, or imitation, or a union of
the two?
That again, he said, I do not quite understand.
I fear that I must be a ridiculous teacher when I have so much difficulty
in making myself apprehended. Like a bad speaker, therefore, I will not take
the whole of the subject, but will break a piece off in illustration of my
meaning. You know the first lines of the Iliad, in which the poet says that
Chryses prayed Agamemnon to release his daughter, and that Agamemnon
flew into a passion with him; whereupon Chryses, failing of his object,
invoked the anger of the God against the Achaeans. Now as far as these
lines,
‘And he prayed all the Greeks, but especially the two sons of Atreus, the
chiefs of the people,’
the poet is speaking in his own person; he never leads us to suppose that
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then he does all that he can to make us believe that the speaker is not
Homer, but the aged priest himself. And in this double form he has cast the
entire narrative of the events which occurred at Troy and in Ithaca and
throughout the Odyssey.
Yes.
And a narrative it remains both in the speeches which the poet recites
from time to time and in the intermediate passages?
Quite true.
But when the poet speaks in the person of another, may we not say that
he assimilates his style to that of the person who, as he informs you, is
going to speak?
Certainly.
And this assimilation of himself to another, either by the use of voice or
gesture, is the imitation of the person whose character he assumes?
Of course.
Then in this case the narrative of the poet may be said to proceed by way
of imitation?
Very true.
Or, if the poet everywhere appears and never conceals himself, then again
the imitation is dropped, and his poetry becomes simple narration.
However, in order that I may make my meaning quite clear, and that you
may no more say, ‘I don’t understand,’ I will show how the change might be
effected. If Homer had said, ‘The priest came, having his daughter’s ransom
in his hands, supplicating the Achaeans, and above all the kings;’ and then
if, instead of speaking in the person of Chryses, he had continued in his
own person, the words would have been, not imitation, but simple narration.
The passage would have run as follows (I am no poet, and therefore I drop
the metre), ‘The priest came and prayed the gods on behalf of the Greeks
that they might capture Troy and return safely home, but begged that they
would give him back his daughter, and take the ransom which he brought,
and respect the God. Thus he spoke, and the other Greeks revered the priest
and assented. But Agamemnon was wroth, and bade him depart and not
come again, lest the staff and chaplets of the God should be of no avail to
him—the daughter of Chryses should not be released, he said—she should
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provoke him, if he intended to get home unscathed. And the old man went
away in fear and silence, and, when he had left the camp, he called upon
Apollo by his many names, reminding him of everything which he had done
pleasing to him, whether in building his temples, or in offering sacrifice,
and praying that his good deeds might be returned to him, and that the
Achaeans might expiate his tears by the arrows of the god,’—and so on. In
this way the whole becomes simple narrative.
I understand, he said.
Or you may suppose the opposite case—that the intermediate passages
are omitted, and the dialogue only left.
That also, he said, I understand; you mean, for example, as in tragedy.
You have conceived my meaning perfectly; and if I mistake not, what
you failed to apprehend before is now made clear to you, that poetry and
mythology are, in some cases, wholly imitative—instances of this are
supplied by tragedy and comedy; there is likewise the opposite style, in
which the poet is the only speaker—of this the dithyramb affords the best
example; and the combination of both is found in epic, and in several other
styles of poetry. Do I take you with me?
Yes, he said; I see now what you meant.
I will ask you to remember also what I began by saying, that we had done
with the subject and might proceed to the style.
Yes, I remember.
In saying this, I intended to imply that we must come to an understanding
about the mimetic art,—whether the poets, in narrating their stories, are to
be allowed by us to imitate, and if so, whether in whole or in part, and if the
latter, in what parts; or should all imitation be prohibited?
You mean, I suspect, to ask whether tragedy and comedy shall be
admitted into our State?
Yes, I said; but there may be more than this in question: I really do not
know as yet, but whither the argument may blow, thither we go.
And go we will, he said.
Then, Adeimantus, let me ask you whether our guardians ought to be
imitators; or rather, has not this question been decided by the rule already
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if he attempt many, he will altogether fail of gaining much reputation in
any?
Certainly.
And this is equally true of imitation; no one man can imitate many things
as well as he would imitate a single one?
He cannot.
Then the same person will hardly be able to play a serious part in life,
and at the same time to be an imitator and imitate many other parts as well;
for even when two species of imitation are nearly allied, the same persons
cannot succeed in both, as, for example, the writers of tragedy and comedy
—did you not just now call them imitations?
Yes, I did; and you are right in thinking that the same persons cannot
succeed in both.
Any more than they can be rhapsodists and actors at once?
True.
Neither are comic and tragic actors the same; yet all these things are but
imitations.
They are so.
And human nature, Adeimantus, appears to have been coined into yet
smaller pieces, and to be as incapable of imitating many things well, as of
performing well the actions of which the imitations are copies.
Quite true, he replied.
If then we adhere to our original notion and bear in mind that our
guardians, setting aside every other business, are to dedicate themselves
wholly to the maintenance of freedom in the State, making this their craft,
and engaging in no work which does not bear on this end, they ought not to
practise or imitate anything else; if they imitate at all, they should imitate
from youth upward only those characters which are suitable to their
profession—the courageous, temperate, holy, free, and the like; but they
should not depict or be skilful at imitating any kind of illiberality or
baseness, lest from imitation they should come to be what they imitate. Did
you never observe how imitations, beginning in early youth and continuing
far into life, at length grow into habits and become a second nature,
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Yes, certainly, he said.
Then, I said, we will not allow those for whom we profess a care and of
whom we say that they ought to be good men, to imitate a woman, whether
young or old, quarrelling with her husband, or striving and vaunting against
the gods in conceit of her happiness, or when she is in affliction, or sorrow,
or weeping; and certainly not one who is in sickness, love, or labour.
Very right, he said.
Neither must they represent slaves, male or female, performing the
offices of slaves?
They must not.
And surely not bad men, whether cowards or any others, who do the
reverse of what we have just been prescribing, who scold or mock or revile
one another in drink or out of drink, or who in any other manner sin against
themselves and their neighbours in word or deed, as the manner of such is.
Neither should they be trained to imitate the action or speech of men or
women who are mad or bad; for madness, like vice, is to be known but not
to be practised or imitated.
Very true, he replied.
Neither may they imitate smiths or other artificers, or oarsmen, or
boatswains, or the like?
How can they, he said, when they are not allowed to apply their minds to
the callings of any of these?
Nor may they imitate the neighing of horses, the bellowing of bulls, the
murmur of rivers and roll of the ocean, thunder, and all that sort of thing?
Nay, he said, if madness be forbidden, neither may they copy the
behaviour of madmen.
You mean, I said, if I understand you aright, that there is one sort of
narrative style which may be employed by a truly good man when he has
anything to say, and that another sort will be used by a man of an opposite
character and education.
And which are these two sorts? he asked.
Suppose, I answered, that a just and good man in the course of a
narration comes on some saying or action of another good man,—I should
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sort of imitation: he will be most ready to play the part of the good man
when he is acting firmly and wisely; in a less degree when he is overtaken
by illness or love or drink, or has met with any other disaster. But when he
comes to a character which is unworthy of him, he will not make a study of
that; he will disdain such a person, and will assume his likeness, if at all, for
a moment only when he is performing some good action; at other times he
will be ashamed to play a part which he has never practised, nor will he like
to fashion and frame himself after the baser models; he feels the
employment of such an art, unless in jest, to be beneath him, and his mind
revolts at it.
So I should expect, he replied.
Then he will adopt a mode of narration such as we have illustrated out of
Homer, that is to say, his style will be both imitative and narrative; but there
will be very little of the former, and a great deal of the latter. Do you agree?
Certainly, he said; that is the model which such a speaker must
necessarily take.
But there is another sort of character who will narrate anything, and, the
worse he is, the more unscrupulous he will be; nothing will be too bad for
him: and he will be ready to imitate anything, not as a joke, but in right
good earnest, and before a large company. As I was just now saying, he will
attempt to represent the roll of thunder, the noise of wind and hail, or the
creaking of wheels, and pulleys, and the various sounds of flutes, pipes,
trumpets, and all sorts of instruments: he will bark like a dog, bleat like a
sheep, or crow like a cock; his entire art will consist in imitation of voice
and gesture, and there will be very little narration.
That, he said, will be his mode of speaking.
These, then, are the two kinds of style?
Yes.
And you would agree with me in saying that one of them is simple and
has but slight changes; and if the harmony and rhythm are also chosen for
their simplicity, the result is that the speaker, if he speaks correctly, is
always pretty much the same in style, and he will keep within the limits of a
single harmony (for the changes are not great), and in like manner he will
make use of nearly the same rhythm?
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Whereas the other requires all sorts of harmonies and all sorts of
rhythms, if the music and the style are to correspond, because the style has
all sorts of changes.
That is also perfectly true, he replied.
And do not the two styles, or the mixture of the two, comprehend all
poetry, and every form of expression in words? No one can say anything
except in one or other of them or in both together.
They include all, he said.
And shall we receive into our State all the three styles, or one only of the
two unmixed styles? or would you include the mixed?
I should prefer only to admit the pure imitator of virtue.
Yes, I said, Adeimantus, but the mixed style is also very charming: and
indeed the pantomimic, which is the opposite of the one chosen by you, is
the most popular style with children and their attendants, and with the world
in general.
I do not deny it.
But I suppose you would argue that such a style is unsuitable to our State,
in which human nature is not twofold or manifold, for one man plays one
part only?
Yes; quite unsuitable.
And this is the reason why in our State, and in our State only, we shall
find a shoemaker to be a shoemaker and not a pilot also, and a husbandman
to be a husbandman and not a dicast also, and a soldier a soldier and not a
trader also, and the same throughout?
True, he said.
And therefore when any one of these pantomimic gentlemen, who are so
clever that they can imitate anything, comes to us, and makes a proposal to
exhibit himself and his poetry, we will fall down and worship him as a
sweet and holy and wonderful being; but we must also inform him that in
our State such as he are not permitted to exist; the law will not allow them.
And so when we have anointed him with myrrh, and set a garland of wool
upon his head, we shall send him away to another city. For we mean to
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who will imitate the style of the virtuous only, and will follow those models
which we prescribed at first when we began the education of our soldiers.
We certainly will, he said, if we have the power.
Then now, my friend, I said, that part of music or literary education
which relates to the story or myth may be considered to be finished; for the
matter and manner have both been discussed.
I think so too, he said.
Next in order will follow melody and song.
That is obvious.
Every one can see already what we ought to say about them, if we are to
be consistent with ourselves.
I fear, said Glaucon, laughing, that the word ‘every one’ hardly includes
me, for I cannot at the moment say what they should be; though I may
guess.
At any rate you can tell that a song or ode has three parts—the words, the
melody, and the rhythm; that degree of knowledge I may presuppose?
Yes, he said; so much as that you may.
And as for the words, there will surely be no difference between words
which are and which are not set to music; both will conform to the same
laws, and these have been already determined by us?
Yes.
And the melody and rhythm will depend upon the words?
Certainly.
We were saying, when we spoke of the subject-matter, that we had no
need of lamentation and strains of sorrow?
True.
And which are the harmonies expressive of sorrow? You are musical, and
can tell me.
The harmonies which you mean are the mixed or tenor Lydian, and the
full-toned or bass Lydian, and such like.
These then, I said, must be banished; even to women who have a
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In the next place, drunkenness and softness and indolence are utterly
unbecoming the character of our guardians.
Utterly unbecoming.
And which are the soft or drinking harmonies?
The Ionian, he replied, and the Lydian; they are termed ‘relaxed.’
Well, and are these of any military use?
Quite the reverse, he replied; and if so the Dorian and the Phrygian are
the only ones which you have left.
I answered: Of the harmonies I know nothing, but I want to have one
warlike, to sound the note or accent which a brave man utters in the hour of
danger and stern resolve, or when his cause is failing, and he is going to
wounds or death or is overtaken by some other evil, and at every such crisis
meets the blows of fortune with firm step and a determination to endure;
and another to be used by him in times of peace and freedom of action,
when there is no pressure of necessity, and he is seeking to persuade God by
prayer, or man by instruction and admonition, or on the other hand, when he
is expressing his willingness to yield to persuasion or entreaty or
admonition, and which represents him when by prudent conduct he has
attained his end, not carried away by his success, but acting moderately and
wisely under the circumstances, and acquiescing in the event. These two
harmonies I ask you to leave; the strain of necessity and the strain of
freedom, the strain of the unfortunate and the strain of the fortunate, the
strain of courage, and the strain of temperance; these, I say, leave.
And these, he replied, are the Dorian and Phrygian harmonies of which I
was just now speaking.
Then, I said, if these and these only are to be used in our songs and
melodies, we shall not want multiplicity of notes or a panharmonic scale?
I suppose not.
Then we shall not maintain the artificers of lyres with three corners and
complex scales, or the makers of any other many-stringed curiously-
harmonised instruments?
Certainly not.
But what do you say to flute-makers and flute-players? Would you admit
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the flute is worse than all the stringed instruments put together; even the
panharmonic music is only an imitation of the flute?
Clearly not.
There remain then only the lyre and the harp for use in the city, and the
shepherds may have a pipe in the country.
That is surely the conclusion to be drawn from the argument.
The preferring of Apollo and his instruments to Marsyas and his
instruments is not at all strange, I said.
Not at all, he replied.
And so, by the dog of Egypt, we have been unconsciously purging the
State, which not long ago we termed luxurious.
And we have done wisely, he replied.
Then let us now finish the purgation, I said. Next in order to harmonies,
rhythms will naturally follow, and they should be subject to the same rules,
for we ought not to seek out complex systems of metre, or metres of every
kind, but rather to discover what rhythms are the expressions of a
courageous and harmonious life; and when we have found them, we shall
adapt the foot and the melody to words having a like spirit, not the words to
the foot and melody. To say what these rhythms are will be your duty—you
must teach me them, as you have already taught me the harmonies.
But, indeed, he replied, I cannot tell you. I only know that there are some
three principles of rhythm out of which metrical systems are framed, just as
in sounds there are four notes (i.e. the four notes of the tetrachord.) out of
which all the harmonies are composed; that is an observation which I have
made. But of what sort of lives they are severally the imitations I am unable
to say.
Then, I said, we must take Damon into our counsels; and he will tell us
what rhythms are expressive of meanness, or insolence, or fury, or other
unworthiness, and what are to be reserved for the expression of opposite
feelings. And I think that I have an indistinct recollection of his mentioning
a complex Cretic rhythm; also a dactylic or heroic, and he arranged them in
some manner which I do not quite understand, making the rhythms equal in
the rise and fall of the foot, long and short alternating; and, unless I am
mistaken, he spoke of an iambic as well as of a trochaic rhythm, and
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to praise or censure the movement of the foot quite as much as the rhythm;
or perhaps a combination of the two; for I am not certain what he meant.
These matters, however, as I was saying, had better be referred to Damon
himself, for the analysis of the subject would be difficult, you know?
(Socrates expresses himself carelessly in accordance with his assumed
ignorance of the details of the subject. In the first part of the sentence he
appears to be speaking of paeonic rhythms which are in the ratio of 3/2; in
the second part, of dactylic and anapaestic rhythms, which are in the ratio of
1/1; in the last clause, of iambic and trochaic rhythms, which are in the ratio
of 1/2 or 2/1.)
Rather so, I should say.
But there is no difficulty in seeing that grace or the absence of grace is an
effect of good or bad rhythm.
None at all.
And also that good and bad rhythm naturally assimilate to a good and bad
style; and that harmony and discord in like manner follow style; for our
principle is that rhythm and harmony are regulated by the words, and not
the words by them.
Just so, he said, they should follow the words.
And will not the words and the character of the style depend on the
temper of the soul?
Yes.
And everything else on the style?
Yes.
Then beauty of style and harmony and grace and good rhythm depend on
simplicity,—I mean the true simplicity of a rightly and nobly ordered mind
and character, not that other simplicity which is only an euphemism for
folly?
Very true, he replied.
And if our youth are to do their work in life, must they not make these
graces and harmonies their perpetual aim?
They must.
And surely the art of the painter and every other creative and constructive
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manufacture; also nature, animal and vegetable,—in all of them there is
grace or the absence of grace. And ugliness and discord and inharmonious
motion are nearly allied to ill words and ill nature, as grace and harmony
are the twin sisters of goodness and virtue and bear their likeness.
That is quite true, he said.
But shall our superintendence go no further, and are the poets only to be
required by us to express the image of the good in their works, on pain, if
they do anything else, of expulsion from our State? Or is the same control
to be extended to other artists, and are they also to be prohibited from
exhibiting the opposite forms of vice and intemperance and meanness and
indecency in sculpture and building and the other creative arts; and is he
who cannot conform to this rule of ours to be prevented from practising his
art in our State, lest the taste of our citizens be corrupted by him? We would
not have our guardians grow up amid images of moral deformity, as in
some noxious pasture, and there browse and feed upon many a baneful herb
and flower day by day, little by little, until they silently gather a festering
mass of corruption in their own soul. Let our artists rather be those who are
gifted to discern the true nature of the beautiful and graceful; then will our
youth dwell in a land of health, amid fair sights and sounds, and receive the
good in everything; and beauty, the effluence of fair works, shall flow into
the eye and ear, like a health-giving breeze from a purer region, and
insensibly draw the soul from earliest years into likeness and sympathy with
the beauty of reason.
There can be no nobler training than that, he replied.
And therefore, I said, Glaucon, musical training is a more potent
instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into
the inward places of the soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting
grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of
him who is ill-educated ungraceful; and also because he who has received
this true education of the inner being will most shrewdly perceive omissions
or faults in art and nature, and with a true taste, while he praises and
rejoices over and receives into his soul the good, and becomes noble and
good, he will justly blame and hate the bad, now in the days of his youth,
even before he is able to know the reason why; and when reason comes he
will recognise and salute the friend with whom his education has made him
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Yes, he said, I quite agree with you in thinking that our youth should be
trained in music and on the grounds which you mention.
Just as in learning to read, I said, we were satisfied when we knew the
letters of the alphabet, which are very few, in all their recurring sizes and
combinations; not slighting them as unimportant whether they occupy a
space large or small, but everywhere eager to make them out; and not
thinking ourselves perfect in the art of reading until we recognise them
wherever they are found:
True—
Or, as we recognise the reflection of letters in the water, or in a mirror,
only when we know the letters themselves; the same art and study giving us
the knowledge of both:
Exactly—
Even so, as I maintain, neither we nor our guardians, whom we have to
educate, can ever become musical until we and they know the essential
forms of temperance, courage, liberality, magnificence, and their kindred, as
well as the contrary forms, in all their combinations, and can recognise
them and their images wherever they are found, not slighting them either in
small things or great, but believing them all to be within the sphere of one
art and study.
Most assuredly.
And when a beautiful soul harmonizes with a beautiful form, and the two
are cast in one mould, that will be the fairest of sights to him who has an
eye to see it?
The fairest indeed.
And the fairest is also the loveliest?
That may be assumed.
And the man who has the spirit of harmony will be most in love with the
loveliest; but he will not love him who is of an inharmonious soul?
That is true, he replied, if the deficiency be in his soul; but if there be any
merely bodily defect in another he will be patient of it, and will love all the
same.
I perceive, I said, that you have or have had experiences of this sort, and I
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affinity to temperance?
How can that be? he replied; pleasure deprives a man of the use of his
faculties quite as much as pain.
Or any affinity to virtue in general?
None whatever.
Any affinity to wantonness and intemperance?
Yes, the greatest.
And is there any greater or keener pleasure than that of sensual love?
No, nor a madder.
Whereas true love is a love of beauty and order—temperate and
harmonious?
Quite true, he said.
Then no intemperance or madness should be allowed to approach true
love?
Certainly not.
Then mad or intemperate pleasure must never be allowed to come near
the lover and his beloved; neither of them can have any part in it if their
love is of the right sort?
No, indeed, Socrates, it must never come near them.
Then I suppose that in the city which we are founding you would make a
law to the effect that a friend should use no other familiarity to his love than
a father would use to his son, and then only for a noble purpose, and he
must first have the other’s consent; and this rule is to limit him in all his
intercourse, and he is never to be seen going further, or, if he exceeds, he is
to be deemed guilty of coarseness and bad taste.
I quite agree, he said.
Thus much of music, which makes a fair ending; for what should be the
end of music if not the love of beauty?
I agree, he said.
After music comes gymnastic, in which our youth are next to be trained.
Certainly.
Gymnastic as well as music should begin in early years; the training in it
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this is a matter upon which I should like to have your opinion in
confirmation of my own, but my own belief is,—not that the good body by
any bodily excellence improves the soul, but, on the contrary, that the good
soul, by her own excellence, improves the body as far as this may be
possible. What do you say?
Yes, I agree.
Then, to the mind when adequately trained, we shall be right in handing
over the more particular care of the body; and in order to avoid prolixity we
will now only give the general outlines of the subject.
Very good.
That they must abstain from intoxication has been already remarked by
us; for of all persons a guardian should be the last to get drunk and not
know where in the world he is.
Yes, he said; that a guardian should require another guardian to take care
of him is ridiculous indeed.
But next, what shall we say of their food; for the men are in training for
the great contest of all—are they not?
Yes, he said.
And will the habit of body of our ordinary athletes be suited to them?
Why not?
I am afraid, I said, that a habit of body such as they have is but a sleepy
sort of thing, and rather perilous to health. Do you not observe that these
athletes sleep away their lives, and are liable to most dangerous illnesses if
they depart, in ever so slight a degree, from their customary regimen?
Yes, I do.
Then, I said, a finer sort of training will be required for our warrior
athletes, who are to be like wakeful dogs, and to see and hear with the
utmost keenness; amid the many changes of water and also of food, of
summer heat and winter cold, which they will have to endure when on a
campaign, they must not be liable to break down in health.
That is my view.
The really excellent gymnastic is twin sister of that simple music which
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Why, I conceive that there is a gymnastic which, like our music, is simple
and good; and especially the military gymnastic.
What do you mean?
My meaning may be learned from Homer; he, you know, feeds his heroes
at their feasts, when they are campaigning, on soldiers’ fare; they have no
fish, although they are on the shores of the Hellespont, and they are not
allowed boiled meats but only roast, which is the food most convenient for
soldiers, requiring only that they should light a fire, and not involving the
trouble of carrying about pots and pans.
True.
And I can hardly be mistaken in saying that sweet sauces are nowhere
mentioned in Homer. In proscribing them, however, he is not singular; all
professional athletes are well aware that a man who is to be in good
condition should take nothing of the kind.
Yes, he said; and knowing this, they are quite right in not taking them.
Then you would not approve of Syracusan dinners, and the refinements
of Sicilian cookery?
I think not.
Nor, if a man is to be in condition, would you allow him to have a
Corinthian girl as his fair friend?
Certainly not.
Neither would you approve of the delicacies, as they are thought, of
Athenian confectionary?
Certainly not.
All such feeding and living may be rightly compared by us to melody and
song composed in the panharmonic style, and in all the rhythms.
Exactly.
There complexity engendered licence, and here disease; whereas
simplicity in music was the parent of temperance in the soul; and simplicity
in gymnastic of health in the body.
Most true, he said.
But when intemperance and diseases multiply in a State, halls of justice
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lawyer give themselves airs, finding how keen is the interest which not only
the slaves but the freemen of a city take about them.
Of course.
And yet what greater proof can there be of a bad and disgraceful state of
education than this, that not only artisans and the meaner sort of people
need the skill of first-rate physicians and judges, but also those who would
profess to have had a liberal education? Is it not disgraceful, and a great
sign of want of good-breeding, that a man should have to go abroad for his
law and physic because he has none of his own at home, and must therefore
surrender himself into the hands of other men whom he makes lords and
judges over him?
Of all things, he said, the most disgraceful.
Would you say ‘most,’ I replied, when you consider that there is a further
stage of the evil in which a man is not only a life-long litigant, passing all
his days in the courts, either as plaintiff or defendant, but is actually led by
his bad taste to pride himself on his litigiousness; he imagines that he is a
master in dishonesty; able to take every crooked turn, and wriggle into and
out of every hole, bending like a withy and getting out of the way of justice:
and all for what?—in order to gain small points not worth mentioning, he
not knowing that so to order his life as to be able to do without a napping
judge is a far higher and nobler sort of thing. Is not that still more
disgraceful?
Yes, he said, that is still more disgraceful.
Well, I said, and to require the help of medicine, not when a wound has to
be cured, or on occasion of an epidemic, but just because, by indolence and
a habit of life such as we have been describing, men fill themselves with
waters and winds, as if their bodies were a marsh, compelling the ingenious
sons of Asclepius to find more names for diseases, such as flatulence and
catarrh; is not this, too, a disgrace?
Yes, he said, they do certainly give very strange and newfangled names
to diseases.
Yes, I said, and I do not believe that there were any such diseases in the
days of Asclepius; and this I infer from the circumstance that the hero
Eurypylus, after he has been wounded in Homer, drinks a posset of
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are certainly inflammatory, and yet the sons of Asclepius who were at the
Trojan war do not blame the damsel who gives him the drink, or rebuke
Patroclus, who is treating his case.
Well, he said, that was surely an extraordinary drink to be given to a
person in his condition.
Not so extraordinary, I replied, if you bear in mind that in former days, as
is commonly said, before the time of Herodicus, the guild of Asclepius did
not practise our present system of medicine, which may be said to educate
diseases. But Herodicus, being a trainer, and himself of a sickly
constitution, by a combination of training and doctoring found out a way of
torturing first and chiefly himself, and secondly the rest of the world.
How was that? he said.
By the invention of lingering death; for he had a mortal disease which he
perpetually tended, and as recovery was out of the question, he passed his
entire life as a valetudinarian; he could do nothing but attend upon himself,
and he was in constant torment whenever he departed in anything from his
usual regimen, and so dying hard, by the help of science he struggled on to
old age.
A rare reward of his skill!
Yes, I said; a reward which a man might fairly expect who never
understood that, if Asclepius did not instruct his descendants in
valetudinarian arts, the omission arose, not from ignorance or inexperience
of such a branch of medicine, but because he knew that in all well-ordered
states every individual has an occupation to which he must attend, and has
therefore no leisure to spend in continually being ill. This we remark in the
case of the artisan, but, ludicrously enough, do not apply the same rule to
people of the richer sort.
How do you mean? he said.
I mean this: When a carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and
ready cure; an emetic or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these are his
remedies. And if some one prescribes for him a course of dietetics, and tells
him that he must swathe and swaddle his head, and all that sort of thing, he
replies at once that he has no time to be ill, and that he sees no good in a life
which is spent in nursing his disease to the neglect of his customary
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resumes his ordinary habits, and either gets well and lives and does his
business, or, if his constitution fails, he dies and has no more trouble.
Yes, he said, and a man in his condition of life ought to use the art of
medicine thus far only.
Has he not, I said, an occupation; and what profit would there be in his
life if he were deprived of his occupation?
Quite true, he said.
But with the rich man this is otherwise; of him we do not say that he has
any specially appointed work which he must perform, if he would live.
He is generally supposed to have nothing to do.
Then you never heard of the saying of Phocylides, that as soon as a man
has a livelihood he should practise virtue?
Nay, he said, I think that he had better begin somewhat sooner.
Let us not have a dispute with him about this, I said; but rather ask
ourselves: Is the practice of virtue obligatory on the rich man, or can he live
without it? And if obligatory on him, then let us raise a further question,
whether this dieting of disorders, which is an impediment to the application
of the mind in carpentering and the mechanical arts, does not equally stand
in the way of the sentiment of Phocylides?
Of that, he replied, there can be no doubt; such excessive care of the
body, when carried beyond the rules of gymnastic, is most inimical to the
practice of virtue.
Yes, indeed, I replied, and equally incompatible with the management of
a house, an army, or an office of state; and, what is most important of all,
irreconcileable with any kind of study or thought or self-reflection—there is
a constant suspicion that headache and giddiness are to be ascribed to
philosophy, and hence all practising or making trial of virtue in the higher
sense is absolutely stopped; for a man is always fancying that he is being
made ill, and is in constant anxiety about the state of his body.
Yes, likely enough.
And therefore our politic Asclepius may be supposed to have exhibited
the power of his art only to persons who, being generally of healthy
constitution and habits of life, had a definite ailment; such as these he cured
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interests of the State; but bodies which disease had penetrated through and
through he would not have attempted to cure by gradual processes of
evacuation and infusion: he did not want to lengthen out good-for-nothing
lives, or to have weak fathers begetting weaker sons;—if a man was not
able to live in the ordinary way he had no business to cure him; for such a
cure would have been of no use either to himself, or to the State.
Then, he said, you regard Asclepius as a statesman.
Clearly; and his character is further illustrated by his sons. Note that they
were heroes in the days of old and practised the medicines of which I am
speaking at the siege of Troy: You will remember how, when Pandarus
wounded Menelaus, they
‘Sucked the blood out of the wound, and sprinkled soothing remedies,’
but they never prescribed what the patient was afterwards to eat or drink
in the case of Menelaus, any more than in the case of Eurypylus; the
remedies, as they conceived, were enough to heal any man who before he
was wounded was healthy and regular in his habits; and even though he did
happen to drink a posset of Pramnian wine, he might get well all the same.
But they would have nothing to do with unhealthy and intemperate subjects,
whose lives were of no use either to themselves or others; the art of
medicine was not designed for their good, and though they were as rich as
Midas, the sons of Asclepius would have declined to attend them.
They were very acute persons, those sons of Asclepius.
Naturally so, I replied. Nevertheless, the tragedians and Pindar
disobeying our behests, although they acknowledge that Asclepius was the
son of Apollo, say also that he was bribed into healing a rich man who was
at the point of death, and for this reason he was struck by lightning. But we,
in accordance with the principle already affirmed by us, will not believe
them when they tell us both;—if he was the son of a god, we maintain that
he was not avaricious; or, if he was avaricious, he was not the son of a god.
All that, Socrates, is excellent; but I should like to put a question to you:
Ought there not to be good physicians in a State, and are not the best those
who have treated the greatest number of constitutions good and bad? and
are not the best judges in like manner those who are acquainted with all
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Yes, I said, I too would have good judges and good physicians. But do
you know whom I think good?
Will you tell me?
I will, if I can. Let me however note that in the same question you join
two things which are not the same.
How so? he asked.
Why, I said, you join physicians and judges. Now the most skilful
physicians are those who, from their youth upwards, have combined with
the knowledge of their art the greatest experience of disease; they had better
not be robust in health, and should have had all manner of diseases in their
own persons. For the body, as I conceive, is not the instrument with which
they cure the body; in that case we could not allow them ever to be or to
have been sickly; but they cure the body with the mind, and the mind which
has become and is sick can cure nothing.
That is very true, he said.
But with the judge it is otherwise; since he governs mind by mind; he
ought not therefore to have been trained among vicious minds, and to have
associated with them from youth upwards, and to have gone through the
whole calendar of crime, only in order that he may quickly infer the crimes
of others as he might their bodily diseases from his own self-consciousness;
the honourable mind which is to form a healthy judgment should have had
no experience or contamination of evil habits when young. And this is the
reason why in youth good men often appear to be simple, and are easily
practised upon by the dishonest, because they have no examples of what
evil is in their own souls.
Yes, he said, they are far too apt to be deceived.
Therefore, I said, the judge should not be young; he should have learned
to know evil, not from his own soul, but from late and long observation of
the nature of evil in others: knowledge should be his guide, not personal
experience.
Yes, he said, that is the ideal of a judge.
Yes, I replied, and he will be a good man (which is my answer to your
question); for he is good who has a good soul. But the cunning and
suspicious nature of which we spoke,—he who has committed many
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amongst his fellows, is wonderful in the precautions which he takes,
because he judges of them by himself: but when he gets into the company
of men of virtue, who have the experience of age, he appears to be a fool
again, owing to his unseasonable suspicions; he cannot recognise an honest
man, because he has no pattern of honesty in himself; at the same time, as
the bad are more numerous than the good, and he meets with them oftener,
he thinks himself, and is by others thought to be, rather wise than foolish.
Most true, he said.
Then the good and wise judge whom we are seeking is not this man, but
the other; for vice cannot know virtue too, but a virtuous nature, educated
by time, will acquire a knowledge both of virtue and vice: the virtuous, and
not the vicious, man has wisdom—in my opinion.
And in mine also.
This is the sort of medicine, and this is the sort of law, which you will
sanction in your state. They will minister to better natures, giving health
both of soul and of body; but those who are diseased in their bodies they
will leave to die, and the corrupt and incurable souls they will put an end to
themselves.
That is clearly the best thing both for the patients and for the State.
And thus our youth, having been educated only in that simple music
which, as we said, inspires temperance, will be reluctant to go to law.
Clearly.
And the musician, who, keeping to the same track, is content to practise
the simple gymnastic, will have nothing to do with medicine unless in some
extreme case.
That I quite believe.
The very exercises and tolls which he undergoes are intended to stimulate
the spirited element of his nature, and not to increase his strength; he will
not, like common athletes, use exercise and regimen to develope his
muscles.
Very right, he said.
Neither are the two arts of music and gymnastic really designed, as is
often supposed, the one for the training of the soul, the other for the training
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What then is the real object of them?
I believe, I said, that the teachers of both have in view chiefly the
improvement of the soul.
How can that be? he asked.
Did you never observe, I said, the effect on the mind itself of exclusive
devotion to gymnastic, or the opposite effect of an exclusive devotion to
music?
In what way shown? he said.
The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of
softness and effeminacy, I replied.
Yes, he said, I am quite aware that the mere athlete becomes too much of
a savage, and that the mere musician is melted and softened beyond what is
good for him.
Yet surely, I said, this ferocity only comes from spirit, which, if rightly
educated, would give courage, but, if too much intensified, is liable to
become hard and brutal.
That I quite think.
On the other hand the philosopher will have the quality of gentleness.
And this also, when too much indulged, will turn to softness, but, if
educated rightly, will be gentle and moderate.
True.
And in our opinion the guardians ought to have both these qualities?
Assuredly.
And both should be in harmony?
Beyond question.
And the harmonious soul is both temperate and courageous?
Yes.
And the inharmonious is cowardly and boorish?
Very true.
And, when a man allows music to play upon him and to pour into his
soul through the funnel of his ears those sweet and soft and melancholy airs
of which we were just now speaking, and his whole life is passed in
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passion or spirit which is in him is tempered like iron, and made useful,
instead of brittle and useless. But, if he carries on the softening and
soothing process, in the next stage he begins to melt and waste, until he has
wasted away his spirit and cut out the sinews of his soul; and he becomes a
feeble warrior.
Very true.
If the element of spirit is naturally weak in him the change is speedily
accomplished, but if he have a good deal, then the power of music
weakening the spirit renders him excitable;—on the least provocation he
flames up at once, and is speedily extinguished; instead of having spirit he
grows irritable and passionate and is quite impracticable.
Exactly.
And so in gymnastics, if a man takes violent exercise and is a great
feeder, and the reverse of a great student of music and philosophy, at first
the high condition of his body fills him with pride and spirit, and he
becomes twice the man that he was.
Certainly.
And what happens? if he do nothing else, and holds no converse with the
Muses, does not even that intelligence which there may be in him, having
no taste of any sort of learning or enquiry or thought or culture, grow feeble
and dull and blind, his mind never waking up or receiving nourishment, and
his senses not being purged of their mists?
True, he said.
And he ends by becoming a hater of philosophy, uncivilized, never using
the weapon of persuasion,—he is like a wild beast, all violence and
fierceness, and knows no other way of dealing; and he lives in all ignorance
and evil conditions, and has no sense of propriety and grace.
That is quite true, he said.
And as there are two principles of human nature, one the spirited and the
other the philosophical, some God, as I should say, has given mankind two
arts answering to them (and only indirectly to the soul and body), in order
that these two principles (like the strings of an instrument) may be relaxed
or drawn tighter until they are duly harmonized.
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And he who mingles music with gymnastic in the fairest proportions, and
best attempers them to the soul, may be rightly called the true musician and
harmonist in a far higher sense than the tuner of the strings.
You are quite right, Socrates.
And such a presiding genius will be always required in our State if the
government is to last.
Yes, he will be absolutely necessary.
Such, then, are our principles of nurture and education: Where would be
the use of going into further details about the dances of our citizens, or
about their hunting and coursing, their gymnastic and equestrian contests?
For these all follow the general principle, and having found that, we shall
have no difficulty in discovering them.
I dare say that there will be no difficulty.
Very good, I said; then what is the next question? Must we not ask who
are to be rulers and who subjects?
Certainly.
There can be no doubt that the elder must rule the younger.
Clearly.
And that the best of these must rule.
That is also clear.
Now, are not the best husbandmen those who are most devoted to
husbandry?
Yes.
And as we are to have the best of guardians for our city, must they not be
those who have most the character of guardians?
Yes.
And to this end they ought to be wise and efficient, and to have a special
care of the State?
True.
And a man will be most likely to care about that which he loves?
To be sure.
And he will be most likely to love that which he regards as having the
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supposed by him at any time most to affect his own?
Very true, he replied.
Then there must be a selection. Let us note among the guardians those
who in their whole life show the greatest eagerness to do what is for the
good of their country, and the greatest repugnance to do what is against her
interests.
Those are the right men.
And they will have to be watched at every age, in order that we may see
whether they preserve their resolution, and never, under the influence either
of force or enchantment, forget or cast off their sense of duty to the State.
How cast off? he said.
I will explain to you, I replied. A resolution may go out of a man’s mind
either with his will or against his will; with his will when he gets rid of a
falsehood and learns better, against his will whenever he is deprived of a
truth.
I understand, he said, the willing loss of a resolution; the meaning of the
unwilling I have yet to learn.
Why, I said, do you not see that men are unwillingly deprived of good,
and willingly of evil? Is not to have lost the truth an evil, and to possess the
truth a good? and you would agree that to conceive things as they are is to
possess the truth?
Yes, he replied; I agree with you in thinking that mankind are deprived of
truth against their will.
And is not this involuntary deprivation caused either by theft, or force, or
enchantment?
Still, he replied, I do not understand you.
I fear that I must have been talking darkly, like the tragedians. I only
mean that some men are changed by persuasion and that others forget;
argument steals away the hearts of one class, and time of the other; and this
I call theft. Now you understand me?
Yes.
Those again who are forced, are those whom the violence of some pain
or grief compels to change their opinion.
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And you would also acknowledge that the enchanted are those who
change their minds either under the softer influence of pleasure, or the
sterner influence of fear?
Yes, he said; everything that deceives may be said to enchant.
Therefore, as I was just now saying, we must enquire who are the best
guardians of their own conviction that what they think the interest of the
State is to be the rule of their lives. We must watch them from their youth
upwards, and make them perform actions in which they are most likely to
forget or to be deceived, and he who remembers and is not deceived is to be
selected, and he who fails in the trial is to be rejected. That will be the way?
Yes.
And there should also be toils and pains and conflicts prescribed for
them, in which they will be made to give further proof of the same qualities.
Very right, he replied.
And then, I said, we must try them with enchantments—that is the third
sort of test—and see what will be their behaviour: like those who take colts
amid noise and tumult to see if they are of a timid nature, so must we take
our youth amid terrors of some kind, and again pass them into pleasures,
and prove them more thoroughly than gold is proved in the furnace, that we
may discover whether they are armed against all enchantments, and of a
noble bearing always, good guardians of themselves and of the music which
they have learned, and retaining under all circumstances a rhythmical and
harmonious nature, such as will be most serviceable to the individual and to
the State. And he who at every age, as boy and youth and in mature life, has
come out of the trial victorious and pure, shall be appointed a ruler and
guardian of the State; he shall be honoured in life and death, and shall
receive sepulture and other memorials of honour, the greatest that we have
to give. But him who fails, we must reject. I am inclined to think that this is
the sort of way in which our rulers and guardians should be chosen and
appointed. I speak generally, and not with any pretension to exactness.
And, speaking generally, I agree with you, he said.
And perhaps the word ‘guardian’ in the fullest sense ought to be applied
to this higher class only who preserve us against foreign enemies and
maintain peace among our citizens at home, that the one may not have the
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called guardians may be more properly designated auxiliaries and
supporters of the principles of the rulers.
I agree with you, he said.
How then may we devise one of those needful falsehoods of which we
lately spoke—just one royal lie which may deceive the rulers, if that be
possible, and at any rate the rest of the city?
What sort of lie? he said.
Nothing new, I replied; only an old Phoenician tale (Laws) of what has
often occurred before now in other places, (as the poets say, and have made
the world believe,) though not in our time, and I do not know whether such
an event could ever happen again, or could now even be made probable, if
it did.
How your words seem to hesitate on your lips!
You will not wonder, I replied, at my hesitation when you have heard.
Speak, he said, and fear not.
Well then, I will speak, although I really know not how to look you in the
face, or in what words to utter the audacious fiction, which I propose to
communicate gradually, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, and lastly to
the people. They are to be told that their youth was a dream, and the
education and training which they received from us, an appearance only; in
reality during all that time they were being formed and fed in the womb of
the earth, where they themselves and their arms and appurtenances were
manufactured; when they were completed, the earth, their mother, sent them
up; and so, their country being their mother and also their nurse, they are
bound to advise for her good, and to defend her against attacks, and her
citizens they are to regard as children of the earth and their own brothers.
You had good reason, he said, to be ashamed of the lie which you were
going to tell.
True, I replied, but there is more coming; I have only told you half.
Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale, you are brothers, yet God has
framed you differently. Some of you have the power of command, and in
the composition of these he has mingled gold, wherefore also they have the
greatest honour; others he has made of silver, to be auxiliaries; others again
who are to be husbandmen and craftsmen he has composed of brass and
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are of the same original stock, a golden parent will sometimes have a silver
son, or a silver parent a golden son. And God proclaims as a first principle
to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so
anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the
purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their
offspring; for if the son of a golden or silver parent has an admixture of
brass and iron, then nature orders a transposition of ranks, and the eye of
the ruler must not be pitiful towards the child because he has to descend in
the scale and become a husbandman or artisan, just as there may be sons of
artisans who having an admixture of gold or silver in them are raised to
honour, and become guardians or auxiliaries. For an oracle says that when a
man of brass or iron guards the State, it will be destroyed. Such is the tale;
is there any possibility of making our citizens believe in it?
Not in the present generation, he replied; there is no way of
accomplishing this; but their sons may be made to believe in the tale, and
their sons’ sons, and posterity after them.
I see the difficulty, I replied; yet the fostering of such a belief will make
them care more for the city and for one another. Enough, however, of the
fiction, which may now fly abroad upon the wings of rumour, while we arm
our earth-born heroes, and lead them forth under the command of their
rulers. Let them look round and select a spot whence they can best suppress
insurrection, if any prove refractory within, and also defend themselves
against enemies, who like wolves may come down on the fold from
without; there let them encamp, and when they have encamped, let them
sacrifice to the proper Gods and prepare their dwellings.
Just so, he said.
And their dwellings must be such as will shield them against the cold of
winter and the heat of summer.
I suppose that you mean houses, he replied.
Yes, I said; but they must be the houses of soldiers, and not of shop-
keepers.
What is the difference? he said.
That I will endeavour to explain, I replied. To keep watch-dogs, who,
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upon the sheep and worry them, and behave not like dogs but wolves,
would be a foul and monstrous thing in a shepherd?
Truly monstrous, he said.
And therefore every care must be taken that our auxiliaries, being
stronger than our citizens, may not grow to be too much for them and
become savage tyrants instead of friends and allies?
Yes, great care should be taken.
And would not a really good education furnish the best safeguard?
But they are well-educated already, he replied.
I cannot be so confident, my dear Glaucon, I said; I am much more
certain that they ought to be, and that true education, whatever that may be,
will have the greatest tendency to civilize and humanize them in their
relations to one another, and to those who are under their protection.
Very true, he replied.
And not only their education, but their habitations, and all that belongs to
them, should be such as will neither impair their virtue as guardians, nor
tempt them to prey upon the other citizens. Any man of sense must
acknowledge that.
He must.
Then now let us consider what will be their way of life, if they are to
realize our idea of them. In the first place, none of them should have any
property of his own beyond what is absolutely necessary; neither should
they have a private house or store closed against any one who has a mind to
enter; their provisions should be only such as are required by trained
warriors, who are men of temperance and courage; they should agree to
receive from the citizens a fixed rate of pay, enough to meet the expenses of
the year and no more; and they will go to mess and live together like
soldiers in a camp. Gold and silver we will tell them that they have from
God; the diviner metal is within them, and they have therefore no need of
the dross which is current among men, and ought not to pollute the divine
by any such earthly admixture; for that commoner metal has been the
source of many unholy deeds, but their own is undefiled. And they alone of
all the citizens may not touch or handle silver or gold, or be under the same
roof with them, or wear them, or drink from them. And this will be their
salvation, and they will be the saviours of the State. But should they ever

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acquire homes or lands or moneys of their own, they will become
housekeepers and husbandmen instead of guardians, enemies and tyrants
instead of allies of the other citizens; hating and being hated, plotting and
being plotted against, they will pass their whole life in much greater terror
of internal than of external enemies, and the hour of ruin, both to
themselves and to the rest of the State, will be at hand. For all which
reasons may we not say that thus shall our State be ordered, and that these
shall be the regulations appointed by us for guardians concerning their
houses and all other matters?
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BOOK IV.

Here Adeimantus interposed a question: How would you answer,
Socrates, said he, if a person were to say that you are making these people
miserable, and that they are the cause of their own unhappiness; the city in
fact belongs to them, but they are none the better for it; whereas other men
acquire lands, and build large and handsome houses, and have everything
handsome about them, offering sacrifices to the gods on their own account,
and practising hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just now, they have
gold and silver, and all that is usual among the favourites of fortune; but our
poor citizens are no better than mercenaries who are quartered in the city
and are always mounting guard?
Yes, I said; and you may add that they are only fed, and not paid in
addition to their food, like other men; and therefore they cannot, if they
would, take a journey of pleasure; they have no money to spend on a
mistress or any other luxurious fancy, which, as the world goes, is thought
to be happiness; and many other accusations of the same nature might be
added.
But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.
You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?
Yes.
If we proceed along the old path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find
the answer. And our answer will be that, even as they are, our guardians
may very likely be the happiest of men; but that our aim in founding the
State was not the disproportionate happiness of any one class, but the
greatest happiness of the whole; we thought that in a State which is ordered
with a view to the good of the whole we should be most likely to find
justice, and in the ill-ordered State injustice: and, having found them, we
might then decide which of the two is the happier. At present, I take it, we
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few happy citizens, but as a whole; and by-and-by we will proceed to view
the opposite kind of State. Suppose that we were painting a statue, and
some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most beautiful
colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes ought to be
purple, but you have made them black—to him we might fairly answer, Sir,
you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such a degree that they
are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving this and the other
features their due proportion, we make the whole beautiful. And so I say to
you, do not compel us to assign to the guardians a sort of happiness which
will make them anything but guardians; for we too can clothe our
husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of gold on their heads, and bid
them till the ground as much as they like, and no more. Our potters also
might be allowed to repose on couches, and feast by the fireside, passing
round the winecup, while their wheel is conveniently at hand, and working
at pottery only as much as they like; in this way we might make every class
happy—and then, as you imagine, the whole State would be happy. But do
not put this idea into our heads; for, if we listen to you, the husbandman
will be no longer a husbandman, the potter will cease to be a potter, and no
one will have the character of any distinct class in the State. Now this is not
of much consequence where the corruption of society, and pretension to be
what you are not, is confined to cobblers; but when the guardians of the
laws and of the government are only seeming and not real guardians, then
see how they turn the State upside down; and on the other hand they alone
have the power of giving order and happiness to the State. We mean our
guardians to be true saviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas
our opponent is thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of
revelry, not of citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we
mean different things, and he is speaking of something which is not a State.
And therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we
would look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this principle
of happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But if the latter
be the truth, then the guardians and auxiliaries, and all others equally with
them, must be compelled or induced to do their own work in the best way.
And thus the whole State will grow up in a noble order, and the several
classes will receive the proportion of happiness which nature assigns to
them.
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I wonder whether you will agree with another remark which occurs to
me.
What may that be?
There seem to be two causes of the deterioration of the arts.
What are they?
Wealth, I said, and poverty.
How do they act?
The process is as follows: When a potter becomes rich, will he, think
you, any longer take the same pains with his art?
Certainly not.
He will grow more and more indolent and careless?
Very true.
And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?
Yes; he greatly deteriorates.
But, on the other hand, if he has no money, and cannot provide himself
with tools or instruments, he will not work equally well himself, nor will he
teach his sons or apprentices to work equally well.
Certainly not.
Then, under the influence either of poverty or of wealth, workmen and
their work are equally liable to degenerate?
That is evident.
Here, then, is a discovery of new evils, I said, against which the
guardians will have to watch, or they will creep into the city unobserved.
What evils?
Wealth, I said, and poverty; the one is the parent of luxury and indolence,
and the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of discontent.
That is very true, he replied; but still I should like to know, Socrates, how
our city will be able to go to war, especially against an enemy who is rich
and powerful, if deprived of the sinews of war.
There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied, in going to war with one
such enemy; but there is no difficulty where there are two of them.
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In the first place, I said, if we have to fight, our side will be trained
warriors fighting against an army of rich men.
That is true, he said.
And do you not suppose, Adeimantus, that a single boxer who was
perfect in his art would easily be a match for two stout and well-to-do
gentlemen who were not boxers?
Hardly, if they came upon him at once.
What, now, I said, if he were able to run away and then turn and strike at
the one who first came up? And supposing he were to do this several times
under the heat of a scorching sun, might he not, being an expert, overturn
more than one stout personage?
Certainly, he said, there would be nothing wonderful in that.
And yet rich men probably have a greater superiority in the science and
practise of boxing than they have in military qualities.
Likely enough.
Then we may assume that our athletes will be able to fight with two or
three times their own number?
I agree with you, for I think you right.
And suppose that, before engaging, our citizens send an embassy to one
of the two cities, telling them what is the truth: Silver and gold we neither
have nor are permitted to have, but you may; do you therefore come and
help us in war, and take the spoils of the other city: Who, on hearing these
words, would choose to fight against lean wiry dogs, rather than, with the
dogs on their side, against fat and tender sheep?
That is not likely; and yet there might be a danger to the poor State if the
wealth of many States were to be gathered into one.
But how simple of you to use the term State at all of any but our own!
Why so?
You ought to speak of other States in the plural number; not one of them
is a city, but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed any city,
however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the other
of the rich; these are at war with one another; and in either there are many
smaller divisions, and you would be altogether beside the mark if you
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give the wealth or power or persons of the one to the others, you will
always have a great many friends and not many enemies. And your State,
while the wise order which has now been prescribed continues to prevail in
her, will be the greatest of States, I do not mean to say in reputation or
appearance, but in deed and truth, though she number not more than a
thousand defenders. A single State which is her equal you will hardly find,
either among Hellenes or barbarians, though many that appear to be as great
and many times greater.
That is most true, he said.
And what, I said, will be the best limit for our rulers to fix when they are
considering the size of the State and the amount of territory which they are
to include, and beyond which they will not go?
What limit would you propose?
I would allow the State to increase so far as is consistent with unity; that,
I think, is the proper limit.
Very good, he said.
Here then, I said, is another order which will have to be conveyed to our
guardians: Let our city be accounted neither large nor small, but one and
self-sufficing.
And surely, said he, this is not a very severe order which we impose upon
them.
And the other, said I, of which we were speaking before is lighter still,—I
mean the duty of degrading the offspring of the guardians when inferior,
and of elevating into the rank of guardians the offspring of the lower
classes, when naturally superior. The intention was, that, in the case of the
citizens generally, each individual should be put to the use for which nature
intended him, one to one work, and then every man would do his own
business, and be one and not many; and so the whole city would be one and
not many.
Yes, he said; that is not so difficult.
The regulations which we are prescribing, my good Adeimantus, are not,
as might be supposed, a number of great principles, but trifles all, if care be
taken, as the saying is, of the one great thing,—a thing, however, which I
would rather call, not great, but sufficient for our purpose.
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Education, I said, and nurture: If our citizens are well educated, and grow
into sensible men, they will easily see their way through all these, as well as
other matters which I omit; such, for example, as marriage, the possession
of women and the procreation of children, which will all follow the general
principle that friends have all things in common, as the proverb says.
That will be the best way of settling them.
Also, I said, the State, if once started well, moves with accumulating
force like a wheel. For good nurture and education implant good
constitutions, and these good constitutions taking root in a good education
improve more and more, and this improvement affects the breed in man as
in other animals.
Very possibly, he said.
Then to sum up: This is the point to which, above all, the attention of our
rulers should be directed,—that music and gymnastic be preserved in their
original form, and no innovation made. They must do their utmost to
maintain them intact. And when any one says that mankind most regard
‘The newest song which the singers have,’
they will be afraid that he may be praising, not new songs, but a new kind
of song; and this ought not to be praised, or conceived to be the meaning of
the poet; for any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole State, and
ought to be prohibited. So Damon tells me, and I can quite believe him;—
he says that when modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the
State always change with them.
Yes, said Adeimantus; and you may add my suffrage to Damon’s and
your own.
Then, I said, our guardians must lay the foundations of their fortress in
music?
Yes, he said; the lawlessness of which you speak too easily steals in.
Yes, I replied, in the form of amusement; and at first sight it appears
harmless.
Why, yes, he said, and there is no harm; were it not that little by little this
spirit of licence, finding a home, imperceptibly penetrates into manners and
customs; whence, issuing with greater force, it invades contracts between
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recklessness, ending at last, Socrates, by an overthrow of all rights, private
as well as public.
Is that true? I said.
That is my belief, he replied.
Then, as I was saying, our youth should be trained from the first in a
stricter system, for if amusements become lawless, and the youths
themselves become lawless, they can never grow up into well-conducted
and virtuous citizens.
Very true, he said.
And when they have made a good beginning in play, and by the help of
music have gained the habit of good order, then this habit of order, in a
manner how unlike the lawless play of the others! will accompany them in
all their actions and be a principle of growth to them, and if there be any
fallen places in the State will raise them up again.
Very true, he said.
Thus educated, they will invent for themselves any lesser rules which
their predecessors have altogether neglected.
What do you mean?
I mean such things as these:—when the young are to be silent before
their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making
them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be
worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general.
You would agree with me?
Yes.
But there is, I think, small wisdom in legislating about such matters,—I
doubt if it is ever done; nor are any precise written enactments about them
likely to be lasting.
Impossible.
It would seem, Adeimantus, that the direction in which education starts a
man, will determine his future life. Does not like always attract like?
To be sure.
Until some one rare and grand result is reached which may be good, and
may be the reverse of good?
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And for this reason, I said, I shall not attempt to legislate further about
them.
Naturally enough, he replied.
Well, and about the business of the agora, and the ordinary dealings
between man and man, or again about agreements with artisans; about
insult and injury, or the commencement of actions, and the appointment of
juries, what would you say? there may also arise questions about any
impositions and exactions of market and harbour dues which may be
required, and in general about the regulations of markets, police, harbours,
and the like. But, oh heavens! shall we condescend to legislate on any of
these particulars?
I think, he said, that there is no need to impose laws about them on good
men; what regulations are necessary they will find out soon enough for
themselves.
Yes, I said, my friend, if God will only preserve to them the laws which
we have given them.
And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever
making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining
perfection.
You would compare them, I said, to those invalids who, having no self-
restraint, will not leave off their habits of intemperance?
Exactly.
Yes, I said; and what a delightful life they lead! they are always doctoring
and increasing and complicating their disorders, and always fancying that
they will be cured by any nostrum which anybody advises them to try.
Such cases are very common, he said, with invalids of this sort.
Yes, I replied; and the charming thing is that they deem him their worst
enemy who tells them the truth, which is simply that, unless they give up
eating and drinking and wenching and idling, neither drug nor cautery nor
spell nor amulet nor any other remedy will avail.
Charming! he replied. I see nothing charming in going into a passion
with a man who tells you what is right.
These gentlemen, I said, do not seem to be in your good graces.
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Nor would you praise the behaviour of States which act like the men
whom I was just now describing. For are there not ill-ordered States in
which the citizens are forbidden under pain of death to alter the
constitution; and yet he who most sweetly courts those who live under this
regime and indulges them and fawns upon them and is skilful in
anticipating and gratifying their humours is held to be a great and good
statesman—do not these States resemble the persons whom I was
describing?
Yes, he said; the States are as bad as the men; and I am very far from
praising them.
But do you not admire, I said, the coolness and dexterity of these ready
ministers of political corruption?
Yes, he said, I do; but not of all of them, for there are some whom the
applause of the multitude has deluded into the belief that they are really
statesmen, and these are not much to be admired.
What do you mean? I said; you should have more feeling for them. When
a man cannot measure, and a great many others who cannot measure
declare that he is four cubits high, can he help believing what they say?
Nay, he said, certainly not in that case.
Well, then, do not be angry with them; for are they not as good as a play,
trying their hand at paltry reforms such as I was describing; they are always
fancying that by legislation they will make an end of frauds in contracts,
and the other rascalities which I was mentioning, not knowing that they are
in reality cutting off the heads of a hydra?
Yes, he said; that is just what they are doing.
I conceive, I said, that the true legislator will not trouble himself with this
class of enactments whether concerning laws or the constitution either in an
ill-ordered or in a well-ordered State; for in the former they are quite
useless, and in the latter there will be no difficulty in devising them; and
many of them will naturally flow out of our previous regulations.
What, then, he said, is still remaining to us of the work of legislation?
Nothing to us, I replied; but to Apollo, the God of Delphi, there remains
the ordering of the greatest and noblest and chiefest things of all.
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The institution of temples and sacrifices, and the entire service of gods,
demigods, and heroes; also the ordering of the repositories of the dead, and
the rites which have to be observed by him who would propitiate the
inhabitants of the world below. These are matters of which we are ignorant
ourselves, and as founders of a city we should be unwise in trusting them to
any interpreter but our ancestral deity. He is the god who sits in the centre,
on the navel of the earth, and he is the interpreter of religion to all mankind.
You are right, and we will do as you propose.
But where, amid all this, is justice? son of Ariston, tell me where. Now
that our city has been made habitable, light a candle and search, and get
your brother and Polemarchus and the rest of our friends to help, and let us
see where in it we can discover justice and where injustice, and in what they
differ from one another, and which of them the man who would be happy
should have for his portion, whether seen or unseen by gods and men.
Nonsense, said Glaucon: did you not promise to search yourself, saying
that for you not to help justice in her need would be an impiety?
I do not deny that I said so, and as you remind me, I will be as good as
my word; but you must join.
We will, he replied.
Well, then, I hope to make the discovery in this way: I mean to begin
with the assumption that our State, if rightly ordered, is perfect.
That is most certain.
And being perfect, is therefore wise and valiant and temperate and just.
That is likewise clear.
And whichever of these qualities we find in the State, the one which is
not found will be the residue?
Very good.
If there were four things, and we were searching for one of them,
wherever it might be, the one sought for might be known to us from the
first, and there would be no further trouble; or we might know the other
three first, and then the fourth would clearly be the one left.
Very true, he said.
And is not a similar method to be pursued about the virtues, which are
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Clearly.
First among the virtues found in the State, wisdom comes into view, and
in this I detect a certain peculiarity.
What is that?
The State which we have been describing is said to be wise as being good
in counsel?
Very true.
And good counsel is clearly a kind of knowledge, for not by ignorance,
but by knowledge, do men counsel well?
Clearly.
And the kinds of knowledge in a State are many and diverse?
Of course.
There is the knowledge of the carpenter; but is that the sort of knowledge
which gives a city the title of wise and good in counsel?
Certainly not; that would only give a city the reputation of skill in
carpentering.
Then a city is not to be called wise because possessing a knowledge
which counsels for the best about wooden implements?
Certainly not.
Nor by reason of a knowledge which advises about brazen pots, I said,
nor as possessing any other similar knowledge?
Not by reason of any of them, he said.
Nor yet by reason of a knowledge which cultivates the earth; that would
give the city the name of agricultural?
Yes.
Well, I said, and is there any knowledge in our recently-founded State
among any of the citizens which advises, not about any particular thing in
the State, but about the whole, and considers how a State can best deal with
itself and with other States?
There certainly is.
And what is this knowledge, and among whom is it found? I asked.
It is the knowledge of the guardians, he replied, and is found among
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And what is the name which the city derives from the possession of this
sort of knowledge?
The name of good in counsel and truly wise.
And will there be in our city more of these true guardians or more
smiths?
The smiths, he replied, will be far more numerous.
Will not the guardians be the smallest of all the classes who receive a
name from the profession of some kind of knowledge?
Much the smallest.
And so by reason of the smallest part or class, and of the knowledge
which resides in this presiding and ruling part of itself, the whole State,
being thus constituted according to nature, will be wise; and this, which has
the only knowledge worthy to be called wisdom, has been ordained by
nature to be of all classes the least.
Most true.
Thus, then, I said, the nature and place in the State of one of the four
virtues has somehow or other been discovered.
And, in my humble opinion, very satisfactorily discovered, he replied.
Again, I said, there is no difficulty in seeing the nature of courage, and in
what part that quality resides which gives the name of courageous to the
State.
How do you mean?
Why, I said, every one who calls any State courageous or cowardly, will
be thinking of the part which fights and goes out to war on the State’s
behalf.
No one, he replied, would ever think of any other.
The rest of the citizens may be courageous or may be cowardly, but their
courage or cowardice will not, as I conceive, have the effect of making the
city either the one or the other.
Certainly not.
The city will be courageous in virtue of a portion of herself which
preserves under all circumstances that opinion about the nature of things to
be feared and not to be feared in which our legislator educated them; and
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I should like to hear what you are saying once more, for I do not think
that I perfectly understand you.
I mean that courage is a kind of salvation.
Salvation of what?
Of the opinion respecting things to be feared, what they are and of what
nature, which the law implants through education; and I mean by the words
‘under all circumstances’ to intimate that in pleasure or in pain, or under the
influence of desire or fear, a man preserves, and does not lose this opinion.
Shall I give you an illustration?
If you please.
You know, I said, that dyers, when they want to dye wool for making the
true sea-purple, begin by selecting their white colour first; this they prepare
and dress with much care and pains, in order that the white ground may take
the purple hue in full perfection. The dyeing then proceeds; and whatever is
dyed in this manner becomes a fast colour, and no washing either with lyes
or without them can take away the bloom. But, when the ground has not
been duly prepared, you will have noticed how poor is the look either of
purple or of any other colour.
Yes, he said; I know that they have a washed-out and ridiculous
appearance.
Then now, I said, you will understand what our object was in selecting
our soldiers, and educating them in music and gymnastic; we were
contriving influences which would prepare them to take the dye of the laws
in perfection, and the colour of their opinion about dangers and of every
other opinion was to be indelibly fixed by their nurture and training, not to
be washed away by such potent lyes as pleasure—mightier agent far in
washing the soul than any soda or lye; or by sorrow, fear, and desire, the
mightiest of all other solvents. And this sort of universal saving power of
true opinion in conformity with law about real and false dangers I call and
maintain to be courage, unless you disagree.
But I agree, he replied; for I suppose that you mean to exclude mere
uninstructed courage, such as that of a wild beast or of a slave—this, in
your opinion, is not the courage which the law ordains, and ought to have
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Then I may infer courage to be such as you describe?
Why, yes, said I, you may, and if you add the words ‘of a citizen,’ you
will not be far wrong;—hereafter, if you like, we will carry the examination
further, but at present we are seeking not for courage but justice; and for the
purpose of our enquiry we have said enough.
You are right, he replied.
Two virtues remain to be discovered in the State—first, temperance, and
then justice which is the end of our search.
Very true.
Now, can we find justice without troubling ourselves about temperance?
I do not know how that can be accomplished, he said, nor do I desire that
justice should be brought to light and temperance lost sight of; and
therefore I wish that you would do me the favour of considering temperance
first.
Certainly, I replied, I should not be justified in refusing your request.
Then consider, he said.
Yes, I replied; I will; and as far as I can at present see, the virtue of
temperance has more of the nature of harmony and symphony than the
preceding.
How so? he asked.
Temperance, I replied, is the ordering or controlling of certain pleasures
and desires; this is curiously enough implied in the saying of ‘a man being
his own master;’ and other traces of the same notion may be found in
language.
No doubt, he said.
There is something ridiculous in the expression ‘master of himself;’ for
the master is also the servant and the servant the master; and in all these
modes of speaking the same person is denoted.
Certainly.
The meaning is, I believe, that in the human soul there is a better and also
a worse principle; and when the better has the worse under control, then a
man is said to be master of himself; and this is a term of praise: but when,
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smaller, is overwhelmed by the greater mass of the worse—in this case he is
blamed and is called the slave of self and unprincipled.
Yes, there is reason in that.
And now, I said, look at our newly-created State, and there you will find
one of these two conditions realized; for the State, as you will acknowledge,
may be justly called master of itself, if the words ‘temperance’ and ‘self-
mastery’ truly express the rule of the better part over the worse.
Yes, he said, I see that what you say is true.
Let me further note that the manifold and complex pleasures and desires
and pains are generally found in children and women and servants, and in
the freemen so called who are of the lowest and more numerous class.
Certainly, he said.
Whereas the simple and moderate desires which follow reason, and are
under the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found only in a few,
and those the best born and best educated.
Very true.
These two, as you may perceive, have a place in our State; and the
meaner desires of the many are held down by the virtuous desires and
wisdom of the few.
That I perceive, he said.
Then if there be any city which may be described as master of its own
pleasures and desires, and master of itself, ours may claim such a
designation?
Certainly, he replied.
It may also be called temperate, and for the same reasons?
Yes.
And if there be any State in which rulers and subjects will be agreed as to
the question who are to rule, that again will be our State?
Undoubtedly.
And the citizens being thus agreed among themselves, in which class will
temperance be found—in the rulers or in the subjects?
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Do you observe that we were not far wrong in our guess that temperance
was a sort of harmony?
Why so?
Why, because temperance is unlike courage and wisdom, each of which
resides in a part only, the one making the State wise and the other valiant;
not so temperance, which extends to the whole, and runs through all the
notes of the scale, and produces a harmony of the weaker and the stronger
and the middle class, whether you suppose them to be stronger or weaker in
wisdom or power or numbers or wealth, or anything else. Most truly then
may we deem temperance to be the agreement of the naturally superior and
inferior, as to the right to rule of either, both in states and individuals.
I entirely agree with you.
And so, I said, we may consider three out of the four virtues to have been
discovered in our State. The last of those qualities which make a state
virtuous must be justice, if we only knew what that was.
The inference is obvious.
The time then has arrived, Glaucon, when, like huntsmen, we should
surround the cover, and look sharp that justice does not steal away, and pass
out of sight and escape us; for beyond a doubt she is somewhere in this
country: watch therefore and strive to catch a sight of her, and if you see her
first, let me know.
Would that I could! but you should regard me rather as a follower who
has just eyes enough to see what you show him—that is about as much as I
am good for.
Offer up a prayer with me and follow.
I will, but you must show me the way.
Here is no path, I said, and the wood is dark and perplexing; still we must
push on.
Let us push on.
Here I saw something: Halloo! I said, I begin to perceive a track, and I
believe that the quarry will not escape.
Good news, he said.
Truly, I said, we are stupid fellows.
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Why, my good sir, at the beginning of our enquiry, ages ago, there was
justice tumbling out at our feet, and we never saw her; nothing could be
more ridiculous. Like people who go about looking for what they have in
their hands—that was the way with us—we looked not at what we were
seeking, but at what was far off in the distance; and therefore, I suppose, we
missed her.
What do you mean?
I mean to say that in reality for a long time past we have been talking of
justice, and have failed to recognise her.
I grow impatient at the length of your exordium.
Well then, tell me, I said, whether I am right or not: You remember the
original principle which we were always laying down at the foundation of
the State, that one man should practise one thing only, the thing to which
his nature was best adapted;—now justice is this principle or a part of it.
Yes, we often said that one man should do one thing only.
Further, we affirmed that justice was doing one’s own business, and not
being a busybody; we said so again and again, and many others have said
the same to us.
Yes, we said so.
Then to do one’s own business in a certain way may be assumed to be
justice. Can you tell me whence I derive this inference?
I cannot, but I should like to be told.
Because I think that this is the only virtue which remains in the State
when the other virtues of temperance and courage and wisdom are
abstracted; and, that this is the ultimate cause and condition of the existence
of all of them, and while remaining in them is also their preservative; and
we were saying that if the three were discovered by us, justice would be the
fourth or remaining one.
That follows of necessity.
If we are asked to determine which of these four qualities by its presence
contributes most to the excellence of the State, whether the agreement of
rulers and subjects, or the preservation in the soldiers of the opinion which
the law ordains about the true nature of dangers, or wisdom and
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and which is found in children and women, slave and freeman, artisan,
ruler, subject,—the quality, I mean, of every one doing his own work, and
not being a busybody, would claim the palm—the question is not so easily
answered.
Certainly, he replied, there would be a difficulty in saying which.
Then the power of each individual in the State to do his own work
appears to compete with the other political virtues, wisdom, temperance,
courage.
Yes, he said.
And the virtue which enters into this competition is justice?
Exactly.
Let us look at the question from another point of view: Are not the rulers
in a State those to whom you would entrust the office of determining suits
at law?
Certainly.
And are suits decided on any other ground but that a man may neither
take what is another’s, nor be deprived of what is his own?
Yes; that is their principle.
Which is a just principle?
Yes.
Then on this view also justice will be admitted to be the having and
doing what is a man’s own, and belongs to him?
Very true.
Think, now, and say whether you agree with me or not. Suppose a
carpenter to be doing the business of a cobbler, or a cobbler of a carpenter;
and suppose them to exchange their implements or their duties, or the same
person to be doing the work of both, or whatever be the change; do you
think that any great harm would result to the State?
Not much.
But when the cobbler or any other man whom nature designed to be a
trader, having his heart lifted up by wealth or strength or the number of his
followers, or any like advantage, attempts to force his way into the class of
warriors, or a warrior into that of legislators and guardians, for which he is
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when one man is trader, legislator, and warrior all in one, then I think you
will agree with me in saying that this interchange and this meddling of one
with another is the ruin of the State.
Most true.
Seeing then, I said, that there are three distinct classes, any meddling of
one with another, or the change of one into another, is the greatest harm to
the State, and may be most justly termed evil-doing?
Precisely.
And the greatest degree of evil-doing to one’s own city would be termed
by you injustice?
Certainly.
This then is injustice; and on the other hand when the trader, the
auxiliary, and the guardian each do their own business, that is justice, and
will make the city just.
I agree with you.
We will not, I said, be over-positive as yet; but if, on trial, this conception
of justice be verified in the individual as well as in the State, there will be
no longer any room for doubt; if it be not verified, we must have a fresh
enquiry. First let us complete the old investigation, which we began, as you
remember, under the impression that, if we could previously examine
justice on the larger scale, there would be less difficulty in discerning her in
the individual. That larger example appeared to be the State, and
accordingly we constructed as good a one as we could, knowing well that in
the good State justice would be found. Let the discovery which we made be
now applied to the individual—if they agree, we shall be satisfied; or, if
there be a difference in the individual, we will come back to the State and
have another trial of the theory. The friction of the two when rubbed
together may possibly strike a light in which justice will shine forth, and the
vision which is then revealed we will fix in our souls.
That will be in regular course; let us do as you say.
I proceeded to ask: When two things, a greater and less, are called by the
same name, are they like or unlike in so far as they are called the same?
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The just man then, if we regard the idea of justice only, will be like the
just State?
He will.
And a State was thought by us to be just when the three classes in the
State severally did their own business; and also thought to be temperate and
valiant and wise by reason of certain other affections and qualities of these
same classes?
True, he said.
And so of the individual; we may assume that he has the same three
principles in his own soul which are found in the State; and he may be
rightly described in the same terms, because he is affected in the same
manner?
Certainly, he said.
Once more then, O my friend, we have alighted upon an easy question—
whether the soul has these three principles or not?
An easy question! Nay, rather, Socrates, the proverb holds that hard is the
good.
Very true, I said; and I do not think that the method which we are
employing is at all adequate to the accurate solution of this question; the
true method is another and a longer one. Still we may arrive at a solution
not below the level of the previous enquiry.
May we not be satisfied with that? he said;—under the circumstances, I
am quite content.
I too, I replied, shall be extremely well satisfied.
Then faint not in pursuing the speculation, he said.
Must we not acknowledge, I said, that in each of us there are the same
principles and habits which there are in the State; and that from the
individual they pass into the State?—how else can they come there? Take
the quality of passion or spirit;—it would be ridiculous to imagine that this
quality, when found in States, is not derived from the individuals who are
supposed to possess it, e.g. the Thracians, Scythians, and in general the
northern nations; and the same may be said of the love of knowledge, which
is the special characteristic of our part of the world, or of the love of money,
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Exactly so, he said.
There is no difficulty in understanding this.
None whatever.
But the question is not quite so easy when we proceed to ask whether
these principles are three or one; whether, that is to say, we learn with one
part of our nature, are angry with another, and with a third part desire the
satisfaction of our natural appetites; or whether the whole soul comes into
play in each sort of action—to determine that is the difficulty.
Yes, he said; there lies the difficulty.
Then let us now try and determine whether they are the same or different.
How can we? he asked.
I replied as follows: The same thing clearly cannot act or be acted upon
in the same part or in relation to the same thing at the same time, in contrary
ways; and therefore whenever this contradiction occurs in things apparently
the same, we know that they are really not the same, but different.
Good.
For example, I said, can the same thing be at rest and in motion at the
same time in the same part?
Impossible.
Still, I said, let us have a more precise statement of terms, lest we should
hereafter fall out by the way. Imagine the case of a man who is standing and
also moving his hands and his head, and suppose a person to say that one
and the same person is in motion and at rest at the same moment—to such a
mode of speech we should object, and should rather say that one part of him
is in motion while another is at rest.
Very true.
And suppose the objector to refine still further, and to draw the nice
distinction that not only parts of tops, but whole tops, when they spin round
with their pegs fixed on the spot, are at rest and in motion at the same time
(and he may say the same of anything which revolves in the same spot), his
objection would not be admitted by us, because in such cases things are not
at rest and in motion in the same parts of themselves; we should rather say
that they have both an axis and a circumference, and that the axis stands
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circumference goes round. But if, while revolving, the axis inclines either to
the right or left, forwards or backwards, then in no point of view can they
be at rest.
That is the correct mode of describing them, he replied.
Then none of these objections will confuse us, or incline us to believe
that the same thing at the same time, in the same part or in relation to the
same thing, can act or be acted upon in contrary ways.
Certainly not, according to my way of thinking.
Yet, I said, that we may not be compelled to examine all such objections,
and prove at length that they are untrue, let us assume their absurdity, and
go forward on the understanding that hereafter, if this assumption turn out
to be untrue, all the consequences which follow shall be withdrawn.
Yes, he said, that will be the best way.
Well, I said, would you not allow that assent and dissent, desire and
aversion, attraction and repulsion, are all of them opposites, whether they
are regarded as active or passive (for that makes no difference in the fact of
their opposition)?
Yes, he said, they are opposites.
Well, I said, and hunger and thirst, and the desires in general, and again
willing and wishing,—all these you would refer to the classes already
mentioned. You would say—would you not?—that the soul of him who
desires is seeking after the object of his desire; or that he is drawing to
himself the thing which he wishes to possess: or again, when a person
wants anything to be given him, his mind, longing for the realization of his
desire, intimates his wish to have it by a nod of assent, as if he had been
asked a question?
Very true.
And what would you say of unwillingness and dislike and the absence of
desire; should not these be referred to the opposite class of repulsion and
rejection?
Certainly.
Admitting this to be true of desire generally, let us suppose a particular
class of desires, and out of these we will select hunger and thirst, as they are
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Let us take that class, he said.
The object of one is food, and of the other drink?
Yes.
And here comes the point: is not thirst the desire which the soul has of
drink, and of drink only; not of drink qualified by anything else; for
example, warm or cold, or much or little, or, in a word, drink of any
particular sort: but if the thirst be accompanied by heat, then the desire is of
cold drink; or, if accompanied by cold, then of warm drink; or, if the thirst
be excessive, then the drink which is desired will be excessive; or, if not
great, the quantity of drink will also be small: but thirst pure and simple will
desire drink pure and simple, which is the natural satisfaction of thirst, as
food is of hunger?
Yes, he said; the simple desire is, as you say, in every case of the simple
object, and the qualified desire of the qualified object.
But here a confusion may arise; and I should wish to guard against an
opponent starting up and saying that no man desires drink only, but good
drink, or food only, but good food; for good is the universal object of desire,
and thirst being a desire, will necessarily be thirst after good drink; and the
same is true of every other desire.
Yes, he replied, the opponent might have something to say.
Nevertheless I should still maintain, that of relatives some have a quality
attached to either term of the relation; others are simple and have their
correlatives simple.
I do not know what you mean.
Well, you know of course that the greater is relative to the less?
Certainly.
And the much greater to the much less?
Yes.
And the sometime greater to the sometime less, and the greater that is to
be to the less that is to be?
Certainly, he said.
And so of more and less, and of other correlative terms, such as the
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slower; and of hot and cold, and of any other relatives;—is not this true of
all of them?
Yes.
And does not the same principle hold in the sciences? The object of
science is knowledge (assuming that to be the true definition), but the object
of a particular science is a particular kind of knowledge; I mean, for
example, that the science of house-building is a kind of knowledge which is
defined and distinguished from other kinds and is therefore termed
architecture.
Certainly.
Because it has a particular quality which no other has?
Yes.
And it has this particular quality because it has an object of a particular
kind; and this is true of the other arts and sciences?
Yes.
Now, then, if I have made myself clear, you will understand my original
meaning in what I said about relatives. My meaning was, that if one term of
a relation is taken alone, the other is taken alone; if one term is qualified,
the other is also qualified. I do not mean to say that relatives may not be
disparate, or that the science of health is healthy, or of disease necessarily
diseased, or that the sciences of good and evil are therefore good and evil;
but only that, when the term science is no longer used absolutely, but has a
qualified object which in this case is the nature of health and disease, it
becomes defined, and is hence called not merely science, but the science of
medicine.
I quite understand, and I think as you do.
Would you not say that thirst is one of these essentially relative terms,
having clearly a relation—
Yes, thirst is relative to drink.
And a certain kind of thirst is relative to a certain kind of drink; but thirst
taken alone is neither of much nor little, nor of good nor bad, nor of any
particular kind of drink, but of drink only?
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Then the soul of the thirsty one, in so far as he is thirsty, desires only
drink; for this he yearns and tries to obtain it?
That is plain.
And if you suppose something which pulls a thirsty soul away from
drink, that must be different from the thirsty principle which draws him like
a beast to drink; for, as we were saying, the same thing cannot at the same
time with the same part of itself act in contrary ways about the same.
Impossible.
No more than you can say that the hands of the archer push and pull the
bow at the same time, but what you say is that one hand pushes and the
other pulls.
Exactly so, he replied.
And might a man be thirsty, and yet unwilling to drink?
Yes, he said, it constantly happens.
And in such a case what is one to say? Would you not say that there was
something in the soul bidding a man to drink, and something else
forbidding him, which is other and stronger than the principle which bids
him?
I should say so.
And the forbidding principle is derived from reason, and that which bids
and attracts proceeds from passion and disease?
Clearly.
Then we may fairly assume that they are two, and that they differ from
one another; the one with which a man reasons, we may call the rational
principle of the soul, the other, with which he loves and hungers and thirsts
and feels the flutterings of any other desire, may be termed the irrational or
appetitive, the ally of sundry pleasures and satisfactions?
Yes, he said, we may fairly assume them to be different.
Then let us finally determine that there are two principles existing in the
soul. And what of passion, or spirit? Is it a third, or akin to one of the
preceding?
I should be inclined to say—akin to desire.
Well, I said, there is a story which I remember to have heard, and in
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one day from the Piraeus, under the north wall on the outside, observed
some dead bodies lying on the ground at the place of execution. He felt a
desire to see them, and also a dread and abhorrence of them; for a time he
struggled and covered his eyes, but at length the desire got the better of
him; and forcing them open, he ran up to the dead bodies, saying, Look, ye
wretches, take your fill of the fair sight.
I have heard the story myself, he said.
The moral of the tale is, that anger at times goes to war with desire, as
though they were two distinct things.
Yes; that is the meaning, he said.
And are there not many other cases in which we observe that when a
man’s desires violently prevail over his reason, he reviles himself, and is
angry at the violence within him, and that in this struggle, which is like the
struggle of factions in a State, his spirit is on the side of his reason;—but for
the passionate or spirited element to take part with the desires when reason
decides that she should not be opposed, is a sort of thing which I believe
that you never observed occurring in yourself, nor, as I should imagine, in
any one else?
Certainly not.
Suppose that a man thinks he has done a wrong to another, the nobler he
is the less able is he to feel indignant at any suffering, such as hunger, or
cold, or any other pain which the injured person may inflict upon him—
these he deems to be just, and, as I say, his anger refuses to be excited by
them.
True, he said.
But when he thinks that he is the sufferer of the wrong, then he boils and
chafes, and is on the side of what he believes to be justice; and because he
suffers hunger or cold or other pain he is only the more determined to
persevere and conquer. His noble spirit will not be quelled until he either
slays or is slain; or until he hears the voice of the shepherd, that is, reason,
bidding his dog bark no more.
The illustration is perfect, he replied; and in our State, as we were saying,
the auxiliaries were to be dogs, and to hear the voice of the rulers, who are
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I perceive, I said, that you quite understand me; there is, however, a
further point which I wish you to consider.
What point?
You remember that passion or spirit appeared at first sight to be a kind of
desire, but now we should say quite the contrary; for in the conflict of the
soul spirit is arrayed on the side of the rational principle.
Most assuredly.
But a further question arises: Is passion different from reason also, or
only a kind of reason; in which latter case, instead of three principles in the
soul, there will only be two, the rational and the concupiscent; or rather, as
the State was composed of three classes, traders, auxiliaries, counsellors, so
may there not be in the individual soul a third element which is passion or
spirit, and when not corrupted by bad education is the natural auxiliary of
reason?
Yes, he said, there must be a third.
Yes, I replied, if passion, which has already been shown to be different
from desire, turn out also to be different from reason.
But that is easily proved:—We may observe even in young children that
they are full of spirit almost as soon as they are born, whereas some of them
never seem to attain to the use of reason, and most of them late enough.
Excellent, I said, and you may see passion equally in brute animals,
which is a further proof of the truth of what you are saying. And we may
once more appeal to the words of Homer, which have been already quoted
by us,
‘He smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul,’
for in this verse Homer has clearly supposed the power which reasons
about the better and worse to be different from the unreasoning anger which
is rebuked by it.
Very true, he said.
And so, after much tossing, we have reached land, and are fairly agreed
that the same principles which exist in the State exist also in the individual,
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Must we not then infer that the individual is wise in the same way, and in
virtue of the same quality which makes the State wise?
Certainly.
Also that the same quality which constitutes courage in the State
constitutes courage in the individual, and that both the State and the
individual bear the same relation to all the other virtues?
Assuredly.
And the individual will be acknowledged by us to be just in the same
way in which the State is just?
That follows, of course.
We cannot but remember that the justice of the State consisted in each of
the three classes doing the work of its own class?
We are not very likely to have forgotten, he said.
We must recollect that the individual in whom the several qualities of his
nature do their own work will be just, and will do his own work?
Yes, he said, we must remember that too.
And ought not the rational principle, which is wise, and has the care of
the whole soul, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be the
subject and ally?
Certainly.
And, as we were saying, the united influence of music and gymnastic
will bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble
words and lessons, and moderating and soothing and civilizing the wildness
of passion by harmony and rhythm?
Quite true, he said.
And these two, thus nurtured and educated, and having learned truly to
know their own functions, will rule over the concupiscent, which in each of
us is the largest part of the soul and by nature most insatiable of gain; over
this they will keep guard, lest, waxing great and strong with the fulness of
bodily pleasures, as they are termed, the concupiscent soul, no longer
confined to her own sphere, should attempt to enslave and rule those who
are not her natural-born subjects, and overturn the whole life of man?
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Both together will they not be the best defenders of the whole soul and
the whole body against attacks from without; the one counselling, and the
other fighting under his leader, and courageously executing his commands
and counsels?
True.
And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains in pleasure and
in pain the commands of reason about what he ought or ought not to fear?
Right, he replied.
And him we call wise who has in him that little part which rules, and
which proclaims these commands; that part too being supposed to have a
knowledge of what is for the interest of each of the three parts and of the
whole?
Assuredly.
And would you not say that he is temperate who has these same elements
in friendly harmony, in whom the one ruling principle of reason, and the
two subject ones of spirit and desire are equally agreed that reason ought to
rule, and do not rebel?
Certainly, he said, that is the true account of temperance whether in the
State or individual.
And surely, I said, we have explained again and again how and by virtue
of what quality a man will be just.
That is very certain.
And is justice dimmer in the individual, and is her form different, or is
she the same which we found her to be in the State?
There is no difference in my opinion, he said.
Because, if any doubt is still lingering in our minds, a few commonplace
instances will satisfy us of the truth of what I am saying.
What sort of instances do you mean?
If the case is put to us, must we not admit that the just State, or the man
who is trained in the principles of such a State, will be less likely than the
unjust to make away with a deposit of gold or silver? Would any one deny
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Will the just man or citizen ever be guilty of sacrilege or theft, or
treachery either to his friends or to his country?
Never.
Neither will he ever break faith where there have been oaths or
agreements?
Impossible.
No one will be less likely to commit adultery, or to dishonour his father
and mother, or to fail in his religious duties?
No one.
And the reason is that each part of him is doing its own business, whether
in ruling or being ruled?
Exactly so.
Are you satisfied then that the quality which makes such men and such
states is justice, or do you hope to discover some other?
Not I, indeed.
Then our dream has been realized; and the suspicion which we
entertained at the beginning of our work of construction, that some divine
power must have conducted us to a primary form of justice, has now been
verified?
Yes, certainly.
And the division of labour which required the carpenter and the
shoemaker and the rest of the citizens to be doing each his own business,
and not another’s, was a shadow of justice, and for that reason it was of
use?
Clearly.
But in reality justice was such as we were describing, being concerned
however, not with the outward man, but with the inward, which is the true
self and concernment of man: for the just man does not permit the several
elements within him to interfere with one another, or any of them to do the
work of others,—he sets in order his own inner life, and is his own master
and his own law, and at peace with himself; and when he has bound
together the three principles within him, which may be compared to the
higher, lower, and middle notes of the scale, and the intermediate intervals
—when he has bound all these together, and is no longer many, but has

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become one entirely temperate and perfectly adjusted nature, then he
proceeds to act, if he has to act, whether in a matter of property, or in the
treatment of the body, or in some affair of politics or private business;
always thinking and calling that which preserves and co-operates with this
harmonious condition, just and good action, and the knowledge which
presides over it, wisdom, and that which at any time impairs this condition,
he will call unjust action, and the opinion which presides over it ignorance.
You have said the exact truth, Socrates.
Very good; and if we were to affirm that we had discovered the just man
and the just State, and the nature of justice in each of them, we should not
be telling a falsehood?
Most certainly not.
May we say so, then?
Let us say so.
And now, I said, injustice has to be considered.
Clearly.
Must not injustice be a strife which arises among the three principles—a
meddlesomeness, and interference, and rising up of a part of the soul
against the whole, an assertion of unlawful authority, which is made by a
rebellious subject against a true prince, of whom he is the natural vassal,—
what is all this confusion and delusion but injustice, and intemperance and
cowardice and ignorance, and every form of vice?
Exactly so.
And if the nature of justice and injustice be known, then the meaning of
acting unjustly and being unjust, or, again, of acting justly, will also be
perfectly clear?
What do you mean? he said.
Why, I said, they are like disease and health; being in the soul just what
disease and health are in the body.
How so? he said.
Why, I said, that which is healthy causes health, and that which is
unhealthy causes disease.
Yes.
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That is certain.
And the creation of health is the institution of a natural order and
government of one by another in the parts of the body; and the creation of
disease is the production of a state of things at variance with this natural
order?
True.
And is not the creation of justice the institution of a natural order and
government of one by another in the parts of the soul, and the creation of
injustice the production of a state of things at variance with the natural
order?
Exactly so, he said.
Then virtue is the health and beauty and well-being of the soul, and vice
the disease and weakness and deformity of the same?
True.
And do not good practices lead to virtue, and evil practices to vice?
Assuredly.
Still our old question of the comparative advantage of justice and
injustice has not been answered: Which is the more profitable, to be just and
act justly and practise virtue, whether seen or unseen of gods and men, or to
be unjust and act unjustly, if only unpunished and unreformed?
In my judgment, Socrates, the question has now become ridiculous. We
know that, when the bodily constitution is gone, life is no longer endurable,
though pampered with all kinds of meats and drinks, and having all wealth
and all power; and shall we be told that when the very essence of the vital
principle is undermined and corrupted, life is still worth having to a man, if
only he be allowed to do whatever he likes with the single exception that he
is not to acquire justice and virtue, or to escape from injustice and vice;
assuming them both to be such as we have described?
Yes, I said, the question is, as you say, ridiculous. Still, as we are near the
spot at which we may see the truth in the clearest manner with our own
eyes, let us not faint by the way.
Certainly not, he replied.
Come up hither, I said, and behold the various forms of vice, those of
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I am following you, he replied: proceed.
I said, The argument seems to have reached a height from which, as from
some tower of speculation, a man may look down and see that virtue is one,
but that the forms of vice are innumerable; there being four special ones
which are deserving of note.
What do you mean? he said.
I mean, I replied, that there appear to be as many forms of the soul as
there are distinct forms of the State.
How many?
There are five of the State, and five of the soul, I said.
What are they?
The first, I said, is that which we have been describing, and which may
be said to have two names, monarchy and aristocracy, accordingly as rule is
exercised by one distinguished man or by many.
True, he replied.
But I regard the two names as describing one form only; for whether the
government is in the hands of one or many, if the governors have been
trained in the manner which we have supposed, the fundamental laws of the
State will be maintained.
That is true, he replied.

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BOOK V.

Such is the good and true City or State, and the good and true man is of
the same pattern; and if this is right every other is wrong; and the evil is one
which affects not only the ordering of the State, but also the regulation of
the individual soul, and is exhibited in four forms.
What are they? he said.
I was proceeding to tell the order in which the four evil forms appeared
to me to succeed one another, when Polemarchus, who was sitting a little
way off, just beyond Adeimantus, began to whisper to him: stretching forth
his hand, he took hold of the upper part of his coat by the shoulder, and
drew him towards him, leaning forward himself so as to be quite close and
saying something in his ear, of which I only caught the words, ‘Shall we let
him off, or what shall we do?’
Certainly not, said Adeimantus, raising his voice.
Who is it, I said, whom you are refusing to let off?
You, he said.
I repeated, Why am I especially not to be let off?
Why, he said, we think that you are lazy, and mean to cheat us out of a
whole chapter which is a very important part of the story; and you fancy
that we shall not notice your airy way of proceeding; as if it were self-
evident to everybody, that in the matter of women and children ‘friends
have all things in common.’
And was I not right, Adeimantus?
Yes, he said; but what is right in this particular case, like everything else,
requires to be explained; for community may be of many kinds. Please,
therefore, to say what sort of community you mean. We have been long
expecting that you would tell us something about the family life of your
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they have arrived, and, in general, what is the nature of this community of
women and children—for we are of opinion that the right or wrong
management of such matters will have a great and paramount influence on
the State for good or for evil. And now, since the question is still
undetermined, and you are taking in hand another State, we have resolved,
as you heard, not to let you go until you give an account of all this.
To that resolution, said Glaucon, you may regard me as saying Agreed.
And without more ado, said Thrasymachus, you may consider us all to be
equally agreed.
I said, You know not what you are doing in thus assailing me: What an
argument are you raising about the State! Just as I thought that I had
finished, and was only too glad that I had laid this question to sleep, and
was reflecting how fortunate I was in your acceptance of what I then said,
you ask me to begin again at the very foundation, ignorant of what a
hornet’s nest of words you are stirring. Now I foresaw this gathering
trouble, and avoided it.
For what purpose do you conceive that we have come here, said
Thrasymachus,—to look for gold, or to hear discourse?
Yes, but discourse should have a limit.
Yes, Socrates, said Glaucon, and the whole of life is the only limit which
wise men assign to the hearing of such discourses. But never mind about us;
take heart yourself and answer the question in your own way: What sort of
community of women and children is this which is to prevail among our
guardians? and how shall we manage the period between birth and
education, which seems to require the greatest care? Tell us how these
things will be.
Yes, my simple friend, but the answer is the reverse of easy; many more
doubts arise about this than about our previous conclusions. For the
practicability of what is said may be doubted; and looked at in another point
of view, whether the scheme, if ever so practicable, would be for the best, is
also doubtful. Hence I feel a reluctance to approach the subject, lest our
aspiration, my dear friend, should turn out to be a dream only.
Fear not, he replied, for your audience will not be hard upon you; they
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I said: My good friend, I suppose that you mean to encourage me by
these words.
Yes, he said.
Then let me tell you that you are doing just the reverse; the
encouragement which you offer would have been all very well had I myself
believed that I knew what I was talking about: to declare the truth about
matters of high interest which a man honours and loves among wise men
who love him need occasion no fear or faltering in his mind; but to carry on
an argument when you are yourself only a hesitating enquirer, which is my
condition, is a dangerous and slippery thing; and the danger is not that I
shall be laughed at (of which the fear would be childish), but that I shall
miss the truth where I have most need to be sure of my footing, and drag
my friends after me in my fall. And I pray Nemesis not to visit upon me the
words which I am going to utter. For I do indeed believe that to be an
involuntary homicide is a less crime than to be a deceiver about beauty or
goodness or justice in the matter of laws. And that is a risk which I would
rather run among enemies than among friends, and therefore you do well to
encourage me.
Glaucon laughed and said: Well then, Socrates, in case you and your
argument do us any serious injury you shall be acquitted beforehand of the
homicide, and shall not be held to be a deceiver; take courage then and
speak.
Well, I said, the law says that when a man is acquitted he is free from
guilt, and what holds at law may hold in argument.
Then why should you mind?
Well, I replied, I suppose that I must retrace my steps and say what I
perhaps ought to have said before in the proper place. The part of the men
has been played out, and now properly enough comes the turn of the
women. Of them I will proceed to speak, and the more readily since I am
invited by you.
For men born and educated like our citizens, the only way, in my
opinion, of arriving at a right conclusion about the possession and use of
women and children is to follow the path on which we originally started,
when we said that the men were to be the guardians and watchdogs of the
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True.
Let us further suppose the birth and education of our women to be subject
to similar or nearly similar regulations; then we shall see whether the result
accords with our design.
What do you mean?
What I mean may be put into the form of a question, I said: Are dogs
divided into hes and shes, or do they both share equally in hunting and in
keeping watch and in the other duties of dogs? or do we entrust to the males
the entire and exclusive care of the flocks, while we leave the females at
home, under the idea that the bearing and suckling their puppies is labour
enough for them?
No, he said, they share alike; the only difference between them is that the
males are stronger and the females weaker.
But can you use different animals for the same purpose, unless they are
bred and fed in the same way?
You cannot.
Then, if women are to have the same duties as men, they must have the
same nurture and education?
Yes.
The education which was assigned to the men was music and gymnastic.
Yes.
Then women must be taught music and gymnastic and also the art of war,
which they must practise like the men?
That is the inference, I suppose.
I should rather expect, I said, that several of our proposals, if they are
carried out, being unusual, may appear ridiculous.
No doubt of it.
Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked
in the palaestra, exercising with the men, especially when they are no
longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than
the enthusiastic old men who in spite of wrinkles and ugliness continue to
frequent the gymnasia.
Yes, indeed, he said: according to present notions the proposal would be
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But then, I said, as we have determined to speak our minds, we must not
fear the jests of the wits which will be directed against this sort of
innovation; how they will talk of women’s attainments both in music and
gymnastic, and above all about their wearing armour and riding upon
horseback!
Very true, he replied.
Yet having begun we must go forward to the rough places of the law; at
the same time begging of these gentlemen for once in their life to be
serious. Not long ago, as we shall remind them, the Hellenes were of the
opinion, which is still generally received among the barbarians, that the
sight of a naked man was ridiculous and improper; and when first the
Cretans and then the Lacedaemonians introduced the custom, the wits of
that day might equally have ridiculed the innovation.
No doubt.
But when experience showed that to let all things be uncovered was far
better than to cover them up, and the ludicrous effect to the outward eye
vanished before the better principle which reason asserted, then the man
was perceived to be a fool who directs the shafts of his ridicule at any other
sight but that of folly and vice, or seriously inclines to weigh the beautiful
by any other standard but that of the good.
Very true, he replied.
First, then, whether the question is to be put in jest or in earnest, let us
come to an understanding about the nature of woman: Is she capable of
sharing either wholly or partially in the actions of men, or not at all? And is
the art of war one of those arts in which she can or can not share? That will
be the best way of commencing the enquiry, and will probably lead to the
fairest conclusion.
That will be much the best way.
Shall we take the other side first and begin by arguing against ourselves;
in this manner the adversary’s position will not be undefended.
Why not? he said.
Then let us put a speech into the mouths of our opponents. They will say:
‘Socrates and Glaucon, no adversary need convict you, for you yourselves,
at the first foundation of the State, admitted the principle that everybody
was to do the one work suited to his own nature.’ And certainly, if I am not

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mistaken, such an admission was made by us. ‘And do not the natures of
men and women differ very much indeed?’ And we shall reply: Of course
they do. Then we shall be asked, ‘Whether the tasks assigned to men and to
women should not be different, and such as are agreeable to their different
natures?’ Certainly they should. ‘But if so, have you not fallen into a serious
inconsistency in saying that men and women, whose natures are so entirely
different, ought to perform the same actions?’—What defence will you
make for us, my good Sir, against any one who offers these objections?
That is not an easy question to answer when asked suddenly; and I shall
and I do beg of you to draw out the case on our side.
These are the objections, Glaucon, and there are many others of a like
kind, which I foresaw long ago; they made me afraid and reluctant to take
in hand any law about the possession and nurture of women and children.
By Zeus, he said, the problem to be solved is anything but easy.
Why yes, I said, but the fact is that when a man is out of his depth,
whether he has fallen into a little swimming bath or into mid ocean, he has
to swim all the same.
Very true.
And must not we swim and try to reach the shore: we will hope that
Arion’s dolphin or some other miraculous help may save us?
I suppose so, he said.
Well then, let us see if any way of escape can be found. We
acknowledged—did we not? that different natures ought to have different
pursuits, and that men’s and women’s natures are different. And now what
are we saying?—that different natures ought to have the same pursuits,—
this is the inconsistency which is charged upon us.
Precisely.
Verily, Glaucon, I said, glorious is the power of the art of contradiction!
Why do you say so?
Because I think that many a man falls into the practice against his will.
When he thinks that he is reasoning he is really disputing, just because he
cannot define and divide, and so know that of which he is speaking; and he
will pursue a merely verbal opposition in the spirit of contention and not of
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Yes, he replied, such is very often the case; but what has that to do with
us and our argument?
A great deal; for there is certainly a danger of our getting unintentionally
into a verbal opposition.
In what way?
Why we valiantly and pugnaciously insist upon the verbal truth, that
different natures ought to have different pursuits, but we never considered
at all what was the meaning of sameness or difference of nature, or why we
distinguished them when we assigned different pursuits to different natures
and the same to the same natures.
Why, no, he said, that was never considered by us.
I said: Suppose that by way of illustration we were to ask the question
whether there is not an opposition in nature between bald men and hairy
men; and if this is admitted by us, then, if bald men are cobblers, we should
forbid the hairy men to be cobblers, and conversely?
That would be a jest, he said.
Yes, I said, a jest; and why? because we never meant when we
constructed the State, that the opposition of natures should extend to every
difference, but only to those differences which affected the pursuit in which
the individual is engaged; we should have argued, for example, that a
physician and one who is in mind a physician may be said to have the same
nature.
True.
Whereas the physician and the carpenter have different natures?
Certainly.
And if, I said, the male and female sex appear to differ in their fitness for
any art or pursuit, we should say that such pursuit or art ought to be
assigned to one or the other of them; but if the difference consists only in
women bearing and men begetting children, this does not amount to a proof
that a woman differs from a man in respect of the sort of education she
should receive; and we shall therefore continue to maintain that our
guardians and their wives ought to have the same pursuits.
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Next, we shall ask our opponent how, in reference to any of the pursuits
or arts of civic life, the nature of a woman differs from that of a man?
That will be quite fair.
And perhaps he, like yourself, will reply that to give a sufficient answer
on the instant is not easy; but after a little reflection there is no difficulty.
Yes, perhaps.
Suppose then that we invite him to accompany us in the argument, and
then we may hope to show him that there is nothing peculiar in the
constitution of women which would affect them in the administration of the
State.
By all means.
Let us say to him: Come now, and we will ask you a question:—when
you spoke of a nature gifted or not gifted in any respect, did you mean to
say that one man will acquire a thing easily, another with difficulty; a little
learning will lead the one to discover a great deal; whereas the other, after
much study and application, no sooner learns than he forgets; or again, did
you mean, that the one has a body which is a good servant to his mind,
while the body of the other is a hindrance to him?—would not these be the
sort of differences which distinguish the man gifted by nature from the one
who is ungifted?
No one will deny that.
And can you mention any pursuit of mankind in which the male sex has
not all these gifts and qualities in a higher degree than the female? Need I
waste time in speaking of the art of weaving, and the management of
pancakes and preserves, in which womankind does really appear to be
great, and in which for her to be beaten by a man is of all things the most
absurd?
You are quite right, he replied, in maintaining the general inferiority of
the female sex: although many women are in many things superior to many
men, yet on the whole what you say is true.
And if so, my friend, I said, there is no special faculty of administration
in a state which a woman has because she is a woman, or which a man has
by virtue of his sex, but the gifts of nature are alike diffused in both; all the
pursuits of men are the pursuits of women also, but in all of them a woman
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Very true.
Then are we to impose all our enactments on men and none of them on
women?
That will never do.
One woman has a gift of healing, another not; one is a musician, and
another has no music in her nature?
Very true.
And one woman has a turn for gymnastic and military exercises, and
another is unwarlike and hates gymnastics?
Certainly.
And one woman is a philosopher, and another is an enemy of philosophy;
one has spirit, and another is without spirit?
That is also true.
Then one woman will have the temper of a guardian, and another not.
Was not the selection of the male guardians determined by differences of
this sort?
Yes.
Men and women alike possess the qualities which make a guardian; they
differ only in their comparative strength or weakness.
Obviously.
And those women who have such qualities are to be selected as the
companions and colleagues of men who have similar qualities and whom
they resemble in capacity and in character?
Very true.
And ought not the same natures to have the same pursuits?
They ought.
Then, as we were saying before, there is nothing unnatural in assigning
music and gymnastic to the wives of the guardians—to that point we come
round again.
Certainly not.
The law which we then enacted was agreeable to nature, and therefore
not an impossibility or mere aspiration; and the contrary practice, which
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That appears to be true.
We had to consider, first, whether our proposals were possible, and
secondly whether they were the most beneficial?
Yes.
And the possibility has been acknowledged?
Yes.
The very great benefit has next to be established?
Quite so.
You will admit that the same education which makes a man a good
guardian will make a woman a good guardian; for their original nature is
the same?
Yes.
I should like to ask you a question.
What is it?
Would you say that all men are equal in excellence, or is one man better
than another?
The latter.
And in the commonwealth which we were founding do you conceive the
guardians who have been brought up on our model system to be more
perfect men, or the cobblers whose education has been cobbling?
What a ridiculous question!
You have answered me, I replied: Well, and may we not further say that
our guardians are the best of our citizens?
By far the best.
And will not their wives be the best women?
Yes, by far the best.
And can there be anything better for the interests of the State than that
the men and women of a State should be as good as possible?
There can be nothing better.
And this is what the arts of music and gymnastic, when present in such
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Then we have made an enactment not only possible but in the highest
degree beneficial to the State?
True.
Then let the wives of our guardians strip, for their virtue will be their
robe, and let them share in the toils of war and the defence of their country;
only in the distribution of labours the lighter are to be assigned to the
women, who are the weaker natures, but in other respects their duties are to
be the same. And as for the man who laughs at naked women exercising
their bodies from the best of motives, in his laughter he is plucking
‘A fruit of unripe wisdom,’
and he himself is ignorant of what he is laughing at, or what he is about;
—for that is, and ever will be, the best of sayings, That the useful is the
noble and the hurtful is the base.
Very true.
Here, then, is one difficulty in our law about women, which we may say
that we have now escaped; the wave has not swallowed us up alive for
enacting that the guardians of either sex should have all their pursuits in
common; to the utility and also to the possibility of this arrangement the
consistency of the argument with itself bears witness.
Yes, that was a mighty wave which you have escaped.
Yes, I said, but a greater is coming; you will not think much of this when
you see the next.
Go on; let me see.
The law, I said, which is the sequel of this and of all that has preceded, is
to the following effect,—‘that the wives of our guardians are to be common,
and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his own
child, nor any child his parent.’
Yes, he said, that is a much greater wave than the other; and the
possibility as well as the utility of such a law are far more questionable.
I do not think, I said, that there can be any dispute about the very great
utility of having wives and children in common; the possibility is quite
another matter, and will be very much disputed.
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You imply that the two questions must be combined, I replied. Now I
meant that you should admit the utility; and in this way, as I thought, I
should escape from one of them, and then there would remain only the
possibility.
But that little attempt is detected, and therefore you will please to give a
defence of both.
Well, I said, I submit to my fate. Yet grant me a little favour: let me feast
my mind with the dream as day dreamers are in the habit of feasting
themselves when they are walking alone; for before they have discovered
any means of effecting their wishes—that is a matter which never troubles
them—they would rather not tire themselves by thinking about possibilities;
but assuming that what they desire is already granted to them, they proceed
with their plan, and delight in detailing what they mean to do when their
wish has come true—that is a way which they have of not doing much good
to a capacity which was never good for much. Now I myself am beginning
to lose heart, and I should like, with your permission, to pass over the
question of possibility at present. Assuming therefore the possibility of the
proposal, I shall now proceed to enquire how the rulers will carry out these
arrangements, and I shall demonstrate that our plan, if executed, will be of
the greatest benefit to the State and to the guardians. First of all, then, if you
have no objection, I will endeavour with your help to consider the
advantages of the measure; and hereafter the question of possibility.
I have no objection; proceed.
First, I think that if our rulers and their auxiliaries are to be worthy of the
name which they bear, there must be willingness to obey in the one and the
power of command in the other; the guardians must themselves obey the
laws, and they must also imitate the spirit of them in any details which are
entrusted to their care.
That is right, he said.
You, I said, who are their legislator, having selected the men, will now
select the women and give them to them;—they must be as far as possible
of like natures with them; and they must live in common houses and meet at
common meals. None of them will have anything specially his or her own;
they will be together, and will be brought up together, and will associate at
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natures to have intercourse with each other—necessity is not too strong a
word, I think?
Yes, he said;—necessity, not geometrical, but another sort of necessity
which lovers know, and which is far more convincing and constraining to
the mass of mankind.
True, I said; and this, Glaucon, like all the rest, must proceed after an
orderly fashion; in a city of the blessed, licentiousness is an unholy thing
which the rulers will forbid.
Yes, he said, and it ought not to be permitted.
Then clearly the next thing will be to make matrimony sacred in the
highest degree, and what is most beneficial will be deemed sacred?
Exactly.
And how can marriages be made most beneficial?—that is a question
which I put to you, because I see in your house dogs for hunting, and of the
nobler sort of birds not a few. Now, I beseech you, do tell me, have you ever
attended to their pairing and breeding?
In what particulars?
Why, in the first place, although they are all of a good sort, are not some
better than others?
True.
And do you breed from them all indifferently, or do you take care to
breed from the best only?
From the best.
And do you take the oldest or the youngest, or only those of ripe age?
I choose only those of ripe age.
And if care was not taken in the breeding, your dogs and birds would
greatly deteriorate?
Certainly.
And the same of horses and animals in general?
Undoubtedly.
Good heavens! my dear friend, I said, what consummate skill will our
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Certainly, the same principle holds; but why does this involve any
particular skill?
Because, I said, our rulers will often have to practise upon the body
corporate with medicines. Now you know that when patients do not require
medicines, but have only to be put under a regimen, the inferior sort of
practitioner is deemed to be good enough; but when medicine has to be
given, then the doctor should be more of a man.
That is quite true, he said; but to what are you alluding?
I mean, I replied, that our rulers will find a considerable dose of
falsehood and deceit necessary for the good of their subjects: we were
saying that the use of all these things regarded as medicines might be of
advantage.
And we were very right.
And this lawful use of them seems likely to be often needed in the
regulations of marriages and births.
How so?
Why, I said, the principle has been already laid down that the best of
either sex should be united with the best as often, and the inferior with the
inferior, as seldom as possible; and that they should rear the offspring of the
one sort of union, but not of the other, if the flock is to be maintained in
first-rate condition. Now these goings on must be a secret which the rulers
only know, or there will be a further danger of our herd, as the guardians
may be termed, breaking out into rebellion.
Very true.
Had we not better appoint certain festivals at which we will bring
together the brides and bridegrooms, and sacrifices will be offered and
suitable hymeneal songs composed by our poets: the number of weddings is
a matter which must be left to the discretion of the rulers, whose aim will be
to preserve the average of population? There are many other things which
they will have to consider, such as the effects of wars and diseases and any
similar agencies, in order as far as this is possible to prevent the State from
becoming either too large or too small.
Certainly, he replied.
We shall have to invent some ingenious kind of lots which the less
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they will accuse their own ill-luck and not the rulers.
To be sure, he said.
And I think that our braver and better youth, besides their other honours
and rewards, might have greater facilities of intercourse with women given
them; their bravery will be a reason, and such fathers ought to have as many
sons as possible.
True.
And the proper officers, whether male or female or both, for offices are to
be held by women as well as by men—
Yes—
The proper officers will take the offspring of the good parents to the pen
or fold, and there they will deposit them with certain nurses who dwell in a
separate quarter; but the offspring of the inferior, or of the better when they
chance to be deformed, will be put away in some mysterious, unknown
place, as they should be.
Yes, he said, that must be done if the breed of the guardians is to be kept
pure.
They will provide for their nurture, and will bring the mothers to the fold
when they are full of milk, taking the greatest possible care that no mother
recognises her own child; and other wet-nurses may be engaged if more are
required. Care will also be taken that the process of suckling shall not be
protracted too long; and the mothers will have no getting up at night or
other trouble, but will hand over all this sort of thing to the nurses and
attendants.
You suppose the wives of our guardians to have a fine easy time of it
when they are having children.
Why, said I, and so they ought. Let us, however, proceed with our
scheme. We were saying that the parents should be in the prime of life?
Very true.
And what is the prime of life? May it not be defined as a period of about
twenty years in a woman’s life, and thirty in a man’s?
Which years do you mean to include?
A woman, I said, at twenty years of age may begin to bear children to the
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twenty, when he has passed the point at which the pulse of life beats
quickest, and continue to beget children until he be fifty-five.
Certainly, he said, both in men and women those years are the prime of
physical as well as of intellectual vigour.
Any one above or below the prescribed ages who takes part in the public
hymeneals shall be said to have done an unholy and unrighteous thing; the
child of which he is the father, if it steals into life, will have been conceived
under auspices very unlike the sacrifices and prayers, which at each
hymeneal priestesses and priest and the whole city will offer, that the new
generation may be better and more useful than their good and useful
parents, whereas his child will be the offspring of darkness and strange lust.
Very true, he replied.
And the same law will apply to any one of those within the prescribed
age who forms a connection with any woman in the prime of life without
the sanction of the rulers; for we shall say that he is raising up a bastard to
the State, uncertified and unconsecrated.
Very true, he replied.
This applies, however, only to those who are within the specified age:
after that we allow them to range at will, except that a man may not marry
his daughter or his daughter’s daughter, or his mother or his mother’s
mother; and women, on the other hand, are prohibited from marrying their
sons or fathers, or son’s son or father’s father, and so on in either direction.
And we grant all this, accompanying the permission with strict orders to
prevent any embryo which may come into being from seeing the light; and
if any force a way to the birth, the parents must understand that the
offspring of such an union cannot be maintained, and arrange accordingly.
That also, he said, is a reasonable proposition. But how will they know
who are fathers and daughters, and so on?
They will never know. The way will be this:—dating from the day of the
hymeneal, the bridegroom who was then married will call all the male
children who are born in the seventh and tenth month afterwards his sons,
and the female children his daughters, and they will call him father, and he
will call their children his grandchildren, and they will call the elder
generation grandfathers and grandmothers. All who were begotten at the
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brothers and sisters, and these, as I was saying, will be forbidden to inter-
marry. This, however, is not to be understood as an absolute prohibition of
the marriage of brothers and sisters; if the lot favours them, and they
receive the sanction of the Pythian oracle, the law will allow them.
Quite right, he replied.
Such is the scheme, Glaucon, according to which the guardians of our
State are to have their wives and families in common. And now you would
have the argument show that this community is consistent with the rest of
our polity, and also that nothing can be better—would you not?
Yes, certainly.
Shall we try to find a common basis by asking of ourselves what ought to
be the chief aim of the legislator in making laws and in the organization of a
State,—what is the greatest good, and what is the greatest evil, and then
consider whether our previous description has the stamp of the good or of
the evil?
By all means.
Can there be any greater evil than discord and distraction and plurality
where unity ought to reign? or any greater good than the bond of unity?
There cannot.
And there is unity where there is community of pleasures and pains—
where all the citizens are glad or grieved on the same occasions of joy and
sorrow?
No doubt.
Yes; and where there is no common but only private feeling a State is
disorganized—when you have one half of the world triumphing and the
other plunged in grief at the same events happening to the city or the
citizens?
Certainly.
Such differences commonly originate in a disagreement about the use of
the terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine,’ ‘his’ and ‘not his.’
Exactly so.
And is not that the best-ordered State in which the greatest number of
persons apply the terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine’ in the same way to the same
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Quite true.
Or that again which most nearly approaches to the condition of the
individual—as in the body, when but a finger of one of us is hurt, the whole
frame, drawn towards the soul as a centre and forming one kingdom under
the ruling power therein, feels the hurt and sympathizes all together with the
part affected, and we say that the man has a pain in his finger; and the same
expression is used about any other part of the body, which has a sensation
of pain at suffering or of pleasure at the alleviation of suffering.
Very true, he replied; and I agree with you that in the best-ordered State
there is the nearest approach to this common feeling which you describe.
Then when any one of the citizens experiences any good or evil, the
whole State will make his case their own, and will either rejoice or sorrow
with him?
Yes, he said, that is what will happen in a well-ordered State.
It will now be time, I said, for us to return to our State and see whether
this or some other form is most in accordance with these fundamental
principles.
Very good.
Our State like every other has rulers and subjects?
True.
All of whom will call one another citizens?
Of course.
But is there not another name which people give to their rulers in other
States?
Generally they call them masters, but in democratic States they simply
call them rulers.
And in our State what other name besides that of citizens do the people
give the rulers?
They are called saviours and helpers, he replied.
And what do the rulers call the people?
Their maintainers and foster-fathers.
And what do they call them in other States?
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And what do the rulers call one another in other States?
Fellow-rulers.
And what in ours?
Fellow-guardians.
Did you ever know an example in any other State of a ruler who would
speak of one of his colleagues as his friend and of another as not being his
friend?
Yes, very often.
And the friend he regards and describes as one in whom he has an
interest, and the other as a stranger in whom he has no interest?
Exactly.
But would any of your guardians think or speak of any other guardian as
a stranger?
Certainly he would not; for every one whom they meet will be regarded
by them either as a brother or sister, or father or mother, or son or daughter,
or as the child or parent of those who are thus connected with him.
Capital, I said; but let me ask you once more: Shall they be a family in
name only; or shall they in all their actions be true to the name? For
example, in the use of the word ‘father,’ would the care of a father be
implied and the filial reverence and duty and obedience to him which the
law commands; and is the violator of these duties to be regarded as an
impious and unrighteous person who is not likely to receive much good
either at the hands of God or of man? Are these to be or not to be the strains
which the children will hear repeated in their ears by all the citizens about
those who are intimated to them to be their parents and the rest of their
kinsfolk?
These, he said, and none other; for what can be more ridiculous than for
them to utter the names of family ties with the lips only and not to act in the
spirit of them?
Then in our city the language of harmony and concord will be more often
heard than in any other. As I was describing before, when any one is well or
ill, the universal word will be ‘with me it is well’ or ‘it is ill.’
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And agreeably to this mode of thinking and speaking, were we not saying
that they will have their pleasures and pains in common?
Yes, and so they will.
And they will have a common interest in the same thing which they will
alike call ‘my own,’ and having this common interest they will have a
common feeling of pleasure and pain?
Yes, far more so than in other States.
And the reason of this, over and above the general constitution of the
State, will be that the guardians will have a community of women and
children?
That will be the chief reason.
And this unity of feeling we admitted to be the greatest good, as was
implied in our own comparison of a well-ordered State to the relation of the
body and the members, when affected by pleasure or pain?
That we acknowledged, and very rightly.
Then the community of wives and children among our citizens is clearly
the source of the greatest good to the State?
Certainly.
And this agrees with the other principle which we were affirming,—that
the guardians were not to have houses or lands or any other property; their
pay was to be their food, which they were to receive from the other citizens,
and they were to have no private expenses; for we intended them to
preserve their true character of guardians.
Right, he replied.
Both the community of property and the community of families, as I am
saying, tend to make them more truly guardians; they will not tear the city
in pieces by differing about ‘mine’ and ‘not mine;’ each man dragging any
acquisition which he has made into a separate house of his own, where he
has a separate wife and children and private pleasures and pains; but all will
be affected as far as may be by the same pleasures and pains because they
are all of one opinion about what is near and dear to them, and therefore
they all tend towards a common end.
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And as they have nothing but their persons which they can call their own,
suits and complaints will have no existence among them; they will be
delivered from all those quarrels of which money or children or relations
are the occasion.
Of course they will.
Neither will trials for assault or insult ever be likely to occur among
them. For that equals should defend themselves against equals we shall
maintain to be honourable and right; we shall make the protection of the
person a matter of necessity.
That is good, he said.
Yes; and there is a further good in the law; viz. that if a man has a quarrel
with another he will satisfy his resentment then and there, and not proceed
to more dangerous lengths.
Certainly.
To the elder shall be assigned the duty of ruling and chastising the
younger.
Clearly.
Nor can there be a doubt that the younger will not strike or do any other
violence to an elder, unless the magistrates command him; nor will he slight
him in any way. For there are two guardians, shame and fear, mighty to
prevent him: shame, which makes men refrain from laying hands on those
who are to them in the relation of parents; fear, that the injured one will be
succoured by the others who are his brothers, sons, fathers.
That is true, he replied.
Then in every way the laws will help the citizens to keep the peace with
one another?
Yes, there will be no want of peace.
And as the guardians will never quarrel among themselves there will be
no danger of the rest of the city being divided either against them or against
one another.
None whatever.
I hardly like even to mention the little meannesses of which they will be
rid, for they are beneath notice: such, for example, as the flattery of the rich
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up a family, and in finding money to buy necessaries for their household,
borrowing and then repudiating, getting how they can, and giving the
money into the hands of women and slaves to keep—the many evils of so
many kinds which people suffer in this way are mean enough and obvious
enough, and not worth speaking of.
Yes, he said, a man has no need of eyes in order to perceive that.
And from all these evils they will be delivered, and their life will be
blessed as the life of Olympic victors and yet more blessed.
How so?
The Olympic victor, I said, is deemed happy in receiving a part only of
the blessedness which is secured to our citizens, who have won a more
glorious victory and have a more complete maintenance at the public cost.
For the victory which they have won is the salvation of the whole State; and
the crown with which they and their children are crowned is the fulness of
all that life needs; they receive rewards from the hands of their country
while living, and after death have an honourable burial.
Yes, he said, and glorious rewards they are.
Do you remember, I said, how in the course of the previous discussion
some one who shall be nameless accused us of making our guardians
unhappy—they had nothing and might have possessed all things—to whom
we replied that, if an occasion offered, we might perhaps hereafter consider
this question, but that, as at present advised, we would make our guardians
truly guardians, and that we were fashioning the State with a view to the
greatest happiness, not of any particular class, but of the whole?
Yes, I remember.
And what do you say, now that the life of our protectors is made out to be
far better and nobler than that of Olympic victors—is the life of
shoemakers, or any other artisans, or of husbandmen, to be compared with
it?
Certainly not.
At the same time I ought here to repeat what I have said elsewhere, that if
any of our guardians shall try to be happy in such a manner that he will
cease to be a guardian, and is not content with this safe and harmonious life,
which, in our judgment, is of all lives the best, but infatuated by some
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appropriate the whole state to himself, then he will have to learn how
wisely Hesiod spoke, when he said, ‘half is more than the whole.’
If he were to consult me, I should say to him: Stay where you are, when
you have the offer of such a life.
You agree then, I said, that men and women are to have a common way
of life such as we have described—common education, common children;
and they are to watch over the citizens in common whether abiding in the
city or going out to war; they are to keep watch together, and to hunt
together like dogs; and always and in all things, as far as they are able,
women are to share with the men? And in so doing they will do what is
best, and will not violate, but preserve the natural relation of the sexes.
I agree with you, he replied.
The enquiry, I said, has yet to be made, whether such a community be
found possible—as among other animals, so also among men—and if
possible, in what way possible?
You have anticipated the question which I was about to suggest.
There is no difficulty, I said, in seeing how war will be carried on by
them.
How?
Why, of course they will go on expeditions together; and will take with
them any of their children who are strong enough, that, after the manner of
the artisan’s child, they may look on at the work which they will have to do
when they are grown up; and besides looking on they will have to help and
be of use in war, and to wait upon their fathers and mothers. Did you never
observe in the arts how the potters’ boys look on and help, long before they
touch the wheel?
Yes, I have.
And shall potters be more careful in educating their children and in
giving them the opportunity of seeing and practising their duties than our
guardians will be?
The idea is ridiculous, he said.
There is also the effect on the parents, with whom, as with other animals,
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That is quite true, Socrates; and yet if they are defeated, which may often
happen in war, how great the danger is! the children will be lost as well as
their parents, and the State will never recover.
True, I said; but would you never allow them to run any risk?
I am far from saying that.
Well, but if they are ever to run a risk should they not do so on some
occasion when, if they escape disaster, they will be the better for it?
Clearly.
Whether the future soldiers do or do not see war in the days of their
youth is a very important matter, for the sake of which some risk may fairly
be incurred.
Yes, very important.
This then must be our first step,—to make our children spectators of war;
but we must also contrive that they shall be secured against danger; then all
will be well.
True.
Their parents may be supposed not to be blind to the risks of war, but to
know, as far as human foresight can, what expeditions are safe and what
dangerous?
That may be assumed.
And they will take them on the safe expeditions and be cautious about the
dangerous ones?
True.
And they will place them under the command of experienced veterans
who will be their leaders and teachers?
Very properly.
Still, the dangers of war cannot be always foreseen; there is a good deal
of chance about them?
True.
Then against such chances the children must be at once furnished with
wings, in order that in the hour of need they may fly away and escape.
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I mean that we must mount them on horses in their earliest youth, and
when they have learnt to ride, take them on horseback to see war: the horses
must not be spirited and warlike, but the most tractable and yet the swiftest
that can be had. In this way they will get an excellent view of what is
hereafter to be their own business; and if there is danger they have only to
follow their elder leaders and escape.
I believe that you are right, he said.
Next, as to war; what are to be the relations of your soldiers to one
another and to their enemies? I should be inclined to propose that the
soldier who leaves his rank or throws away his arms, or is guilty of any
other act of cowardice, should be degraded into the rank of a husbandman
or artisan. What do you think?
By all means, I should say.
And he who allows himself to be taken prisoner may as well be made a
present of to his enemies; he is their lawful prey, and let them do what they
like with him.
Certainly.
But the hero who has distinguished himself, what shall be done to him?
In the first place, he shall receive honour in the army from his youthful
comrades; every one of them in succession shall crown him. What do you
say?
I approve.
And what do you say to his receiving the right hand of fellowship?
To that too, I agree.
But you will hardly agree to my next proposal.
What is your proposal?
That he should kiss and be kissed by them.
Most certainly, and I should be disposed to go further, and say: Let no
one whom he has a mind to kiss refuse to be kissed by him while the
expedition lasts. So that if there be a lover in the army, whether his love be
youth or maiden, he may be more eager to win the prize of valour.
Capital, I said. That the brave man is to have more wives than others has
been already determined: and he is to have first choices in such matters
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Agreed.
Again, there is another manner in which, according to Homer, brave
youths should be honoured; for he tells how Ajax, after he had distinguished
himself in battle, was rewarded with long chines, which seems to be a
compliment appropriate to a hero in the flower of his age, being not only a
tribute of honour but also a very strengthening thing.
Most true, he said.
Then in this, I said, Homer shall be our teacher; and we too, at sacrifices
and on the like occasions, will honour the brave according to the measure of
their valour, whether men or women, with hymns and those other
distinctions which we were mentioning; also with
‘seats of precedence, and meats and full cups;’
and in honouring them, we shall be at the same time training them.
That, he replied, is excellent.
Yes, I said; and when a man dies gloriously in war shall we not say, in the
first place, that he is of the golden race?
To be sure.
Nay, have we not the authority of Hesiod for affirming that when they are
dead
‘They are holy angels upon the earth, authors of good, averters of evil,
the guardians of speech-gifted men’?
Yes; and we accept his authority.
We must learn of the god how we are to order the sepulture of divine and
heroic personages, and what is to be their special distinction; and we must
do as he bids?
By all means.
And in ages to come we will reverence them and kneel before their
sepulchres as at the graves of heroes. And not only they but any who are
deemed pre-eminently good, whether they die from age, or in any other
way, shall be admitted to the same honours.
That is very right, he said.
Next, how shall our soldiers treat their enemies? What about this?
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First of all, in regard to slavery? Do you think it right that Hellenes
should enslave Hellenic States, or allow others to enslave them, if they can
help? Should not their custom be to spare them, considering the danger
which there is that the whole race may one day fall under the yoke of the
barbarians?
To spare them is infinitely better.
Then no Hellene should be owned by them as a slave; that is a rule which
they will observe and advise the other Hellenes to observe.
Certainly, he said; they will in this way be united against the barbarians
and will keep their hands off one another.
Next as to the slain; ought the conquerors, I said, to take anything but
their armour? Does not the practice of despoiling an enemy afford an
excuse for not facing the battle? Cowards skulk about the dead, pretending
that they are fulfilling a duty, and many an army before now has been lost
from this love of plunder.
Very true.
And is there not illiberality and avarice in robbing a corpse, and also a
degree of meanness and womanishness in making an enemy of the dead
body when the real enemy has flown away and left only his fighting gear
behind him,—is not this rather like a dog who cannot get at his assailant,
quarrelling with the stones which strike him instead?
Very like a dog, he said.
Then we must abstain from spoiling the dead or hindering their burial?
Yes, he replied, we most certainly must.
Neither shall we offer up arms at the temples of the gods, least of all the
arms of Hellenes, if we care to maintain good feeling with other Hellenes;
and, indeed, we have reason to fear that the offering of spoils taken from
kinsmen may be a pollution unless commanded by the god himself?
Very true.
Again, as to the devastation of Hellenic territory or the burning of
houses, what is to be the practice?
May I have the pleasure, he said, of hearing your opinion?
Both should be forbidden, in my judgment; I would take the annual
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Pray do.
Why, you see, there is a difference in the names ‘discord’ and ‘war,’ and I
imagine that there is also a difference in their natures; the one is expressive
of what is internal and domestic, the other of what is external and foreign;
and the first of the two is termed discord, and only the second, war.
That is a very proper distinction, he replied.
And may I not observe with equal propriety that the Hellenic race is all
united together by ties of blood and friendship, and alien and strange to the
barbarians?
Very good, he said.
And therefore when Hellenes fight with barbarians and barbarians with
Hellenes, they will be described by us as being at war when they fight, and
by nature enemies, and this kind of antagonism should be called war; but
when Hellenes fight with one another we shall say that Hellas is then in a
state of disorder and discord, they being by nature friends; and such enmity
is to be called discord.
I agree.
Consider then, I said, when that which we have acknowledged to be
discord occurs, and a city is divided, if both parties destroy the lands and
burn the houses of one another, how wicked does the strife appear! No true
lover of his country would bring himself to tear in pieces his own nurse and
mother: There might be reason in the conqueror depriving the conquered of
their harvest, but still they would have the idea of peace in their hearts and
would not mean to go on fighting for ever.
Yes, he said, that is a better temper than the other.
And will not the city, which you are founding, be an Hellenic city?
It ought to be, he replied.
Then will not the citizens be good and civilized?
Yes, very civilized.
And will they not be lovers of Hellas, and think of Hellas as their own
land, and share in the common temples?
Most certainly.
And any difference which arises among them will be regarded by them as
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Certainly not.
Then they will quarrel as those who intend some day to be reconciled?
Certainly.
They will use friendly correction, but will not enslave or destroy their
opponents; they will be correctors, not enemies?
Just so.
And as they are Hellenes themselves they will not devastate Hellas, nor
will they burn houses, nor ever suppose that the whole population of a city
—men, women, and children—are equally their enemies, for they know that
the guilt of war is always confined to a few persons and that the many are
their friends. And for all these reasons they will be unwilling to waste their
lands and rase their houses; their enmity to them will only last until the
many innocent sufferers have compelled the guilty few to give satisfaction?
I agree, he said, that our citizens should thus deal with their Hellenic
enemies; and with barbarians as the Hellenes now deal with one another.
Then let us enact this law also for our guardians:—that they are neither to
devastate the lands of Hellenes nor to burn their houses.
Agreed; and we may agree also in thinking that these, like all our
previous enactments, are very good.
But still I must say, Socrates, that if you are allowed to go on in this way
you will entirely forget the other question which at the commencement of
this discussion you thrust aside:—Is such an order of things possible, and
how, if at all? For I am quite ready to acknowledge that the plan which you
propose, if only feasible, would do all sorts of good to the State. I will add,
what you have omitted, that your citizens will be the bravest of warriors,
and will never leave their ranks, for they will all know one another, and
each will call the other father, brother, son; and if you suppose the women
to join their armies, whether in the same rank or in the rear, either as a terror
to the enemy, or as auxiliaries in case of need, I know that they will then be
absolutely invincible; and there are many domestic advantages which might
also be mentioned and which I also fully acknowledge: but, as I admit all
these advantages and as many more as you please, if only this State of yours
were to come into existence, we need say no more about them; assuming
then the existence of the State, let us now turn to the question of possibility
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If I loiter for a moment, you instantly make a raid upon me, I said, and
have no mercy; I have hardly escaped the first and second waves, and you
seem not to be aware that you are now bringing upon me the third, which is
the greatest and heaviest. When you have seen and heard the third wave, I
think you will be more considerate and will acknowledge that some fear
and hesitation was natural respecting a proposal so extraordinary as that
which I have now to state and investigate.
The more appeals of this sort which you make, he said, the more
determined are we that you shall tell us how such a State is possible: speak
out and at once.
Let me begin by reminding you that we found our way hither in the
search after justice and injustice.
True, he replied; but what of that?
I was only going to ask whether, if we have discovered them, we are to
require that the just man should in nothing fail of absolute justice; or may
we be satisfied with an approximation, and the attainment in him of a
higher degree of justice than is to be found in other men?
The approximation will be enough.
We were enquiring into the nature of absolute justice and into the
character of the perfectly just, and into injustice and the perfectly unjust,
that we might have an ideal. We were to look at these in order that we might
judge of our own happiness and unhappiness according to the standard
which they exhibited and the degree in which we resembled them, but not
with any view of showing that they could exist in fact.
True, he said.
Would a painter be any the worse because, after having delineated with
consummate art an ideal of a perfectly beautiful man, he was unable to
show that any such man could ever have existed?
He would be none the worse.
Well, and were we not creating an ideal of a perfect State?
To be sure.
And is our theory a worse theory because we are unable to prove the
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That is the truth, I said. But if, at your request, I am to try and show how
and under what conditions the possibility is highest, I must ask you, having
this in view, to repeat your former admissions.
What admissions?
I want to know whether ideals are ever fully realized in language? Does
not the word express more than the fact, and must not the actual, whatever a
man may think, always, in the nature of things, fall short of the truth? What
do you say?
I agree.
Then you must not insist on my proving that the actual State will in every
respect coincide with the ideal: if we are only able to discover how a city
may be governed nearly as we proposed, you will admit that we have
discovered the possibility which you demand; and will be contented. I am
sure that I should be contented—will not you?
Yes, I will.
Let me next endeavour to show what is that fault in States which is the
cause of their present maladministration, and what is the least change which
will enable a State to pass into the truer form; and let the change, if
possible, be of one thing only, or, if not, of two; at any rate, let the changes
be as few and slight as possible.
Certainly, he replied.
I think, I said, that there might be a reform of the State if only one change
were made, which is not a slight or easy though still a possible one.
What is it? he said.
Now then, I said, I go to meet that which I liken to the greatest of the
waves; yet shall the word be spoken, even though the wave break and
drown me in laughter and dishonour; and do you mark my words.
Proceed.
I said: ‘Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this
world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and political greatness and
wisdom meet in one, and those commoner natures who pursue either to the
exclusion of the other are compelled to stand aside, cities will never have
rest from their evils,—nor the human race, as I believe,—and then only will
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was the thought, my dear Glaucon, which I would fain have uttered if it had
not seemed too extravagant; for to be convinced that in no other State can
there be happiness private or public is indeed a hard thing.
Socrates, what do you mean? I would have you consider that the word
which you have uttered is one at which numerous persons, and very
respectable persons too, in a figure pulling off their coats all in a moment,
and seizing any weapon that comes to hand, will run at you might and main,
before you know where you are, intending to do heaven knows what; and if
you don’t prepare an answer, and put yourself in motion, you will be ‘pared
by their fine wits,’ and no mistake.
You got me into the scrape, I said.
And I was quite right; however, I will do all I can to get you out of it; but
I can only give you good-will and good advice, and, perhaps, I may be able
to fit answers to your questions better than another—that is all. And now,
having such an auxiliary, you must do your best to show the unbelievers
that you are right.
I ought to try, I said, since you offer me such invaluable assistance. And I
think that, if there is to be a chance of our escaping, we must explain to
them whom we mean when we say that philosophers are to rule in the State;
then we shall be able to defend ourselves: There will be discovered to be
some natures who ought to study philosophy and to be leaders in the State;
and others who are not born to be philosophers, and are meant to be
followers rather than leaders.
Then now for a definition, he said.
Follow me, I said, and I hope that I may in some way or other be able to
give you a satisfactory explanation.
Proceed.
I dare say that you remember, and therefore I need not remind you, that a
lover, if he is worthy of the name, ought to show his love, not to some one
part of that which he loves, but to the whole.
I really do not understand, and therefore beg of you to assist my memory.
Another person, I said, might fairly reply as you do; but a man of
pleasure like yourself ought to know that all who are in the flower of youth
do somehow or other raise a pang or emotion in a lover’s breast, and are
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which you have with the fair: one has a snub nose, and you praise his
charming face; the hook-nose of another has, you say, a royal look; while he
who is neither snub nor hooked has the grace of regularity: the dark visage
is manly, the fair are children of the gods; and as to the sweet ‘honey pale,’
as they are called, what is the very name but the invention of a lover who
talks in diminutives, and is not averse to paleness if appearing on the cheek
of youth? In a word, there is no excuse which you will not make, and
nothing which you will not say, in order not to lose a single flower that
blooms in the spring-time of youth.
If you make me an authority in matters of love, for the sake of the
argument, I assent.
And what do you say of lovers of wine? Do you not see them doing the
same? They are glad of any pretext of drinking any wine.
Very good.
And the same is true of ambitious men; if they cannot command an army,
they are willing to command a file; and if they cannot be honoured by really
great and important persons, they are glad to be honoured by lesser and
meaner people,—but honour of some kind they must have.
Exactly.
Once more let me ask: Does he who desires any class of goods, desire the
whole class or a part only?
The whole.
And may we not say of the philosopher that he is a lover, not of a part of
wisdom only, but of the whole?
Yes, of the whole.
And he who dislikes learning, especially in youth, when he has no power
of judging what is good and what is not, such an one we maintain not to be
a philosopher or a lover of knowledge, just as he who refuses his food is not
hungry, and may be said to have a bad appetite and not a good one?
Very true, he said.
Whereas he who has a taste for every sort of knowledge and who is
curious to learn and is never satisfied, may be justly termed a philosopher?
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Glaucon said: If curiosity makes a philosopher, you will find many a
strange being will have a title to the name. All the lovers of sights have a
delight in learning, and must therefore be included. Musical amateurs, too,
are a folk strangely out of place among philosophers, for they are the last
persons in the world who would come to anything like a philosophical
discussion, if they could help, while they run about at the Dionysiac
festivals as if they had let out their ears to hear every chorus; whether the
performance is in town or country—that makes no difference—they are
there. Now are we to maintain that all these and any who have similar
tastes, as well as the professors of quite minor arts, are philosophers?
Certainly not, I replied; they are only an imitation.
He said: Who then are the true philosophers?
Those, I said, who are lovers of the vision of truth.
That is also good, he said; but I should like to know what you mean?
To another, I replied, I might have a difficulty in explaining; but I am
sure that you will admit a proposition which I am about to make.
What is the proposition?
That since beauty is the opposite of ugliness, they are two?
Certainly.
And inasmuch as they are two, each of them is one?
True again.
And of just and unjust, good and evil, and of every other class, the same
remark holds: taken singly, each of them is one; but from the various
combinations of them with actions and things and with one another, they
are seen in all sorts of lights and appear many?
Very true.
And this is the distinction which I draw between the sight-loving, art-
loving, practical class and those of whom I am speaking, and who are alone
worthy of the name of philosophers.
How do you distinguish them? he said.
The lovers of sounds and sights, I replied, are, as I conceive, fond of fine
tones and colours and forms and all the artificial products that are made out
of them, but their mind is incapable of seeing or loving absolute beauty.
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Few are they who are able to attain to the sight of this.
Very true.
And he who, having a sense of beautiful things has no sense of absolute
beauty, or who, if another lead him to a knowledge of that beauty is unable
to follow—of such an one I ask, Is he awake or in a dream only? Reflect: is
not the dreamer, sleeping or waking, one who likens dissimilar things, who
puts the copy in the place of the real object?
I should certainly say that such an one was dreaming.
But take the case of the other, who recognises the existence of absolute
beauty and is able to distinguish the idea from the objects which participate
in the idea, neither putting the objects in the place of the idea nor the idea in
the place of the objects—is he a dreamer, or is he awake?
He is wide awake.
And may we not say that the mind of the one who knows has knowledge,
and that the mind of the other, who opines only, has opinion?
Certainly.
But suppose that the latter should quarrel with us and dispute our
statement, can we administer any soothing cordial or advice to him, without
revealing to him that there is sad disorder in his wits?
We must certainly offer him some good advice, he replied.
Come, then, and let us think of something to say to him. Shall we begin
by assuring him that he is welcome to any knowledge which he may have,
and that we are rejoiced at his having it? But we should like to ask him a
question: Does he who has knowledge know something or nothing? (You
must answer for him.)
I answer that he knows something.
Something that is or is not?
Something that is; for how can that which is not ever be known?
And are we assured, after looking at the matter from many points of
view, that absolute being is or may be absolutely known, but that the utterly
non-existent is utterly unknown?
Nothing can be more certain.
Good. But if there be anything which is of such a nature as to be and not
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absolute negation of being?
Yes, between them.
And, as knowledge corresponded to being and ignorance of necessity to
not-being, for that intermediate between being and not-being there has to be
discovered a corresponding intermediate between ignorance and
knowledge, if there be such?
Certainly.
Do we admit the existence of opinion?
Undoubtedly.
As being the same with knowledge, or another faculty?
Another faculty.
Then opinion and knowledge have to do with different kinds of matter
corresponding to this difference of faculties?
Yes.
And knowledge is relative to being and knows being. But before I
proceed further I will make a division.
What division?
I will begin by placing faculties in a class by themselves: they are powers
in us, and in all other things, by which we do as we do. Sight and hearing,
for example, I should call faculties. Have I clearly explained the class
which I mean?
Yes, I quite understand.
Then let me tell you my view about them. I do not see them, and
therefore the distinctions of figure, colour, and the like, which enable me to
discern the differences of some things, do not apply to them. In speaking of
a faculty I think only of its sphere and its result; and that which has the
same sphere and the same result I call the same faculty, but that which has
another sphere and another result I call different. Would that be your way of
speaking?
Yes.
And will you be so very good as to answer one more question? Would
you say that knowledge is a faculty, or in what class would you place it?
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And is opinion also a faculty?
Certainly, he said; for opinion is that with which we are able to form an
opinion.
And yet you were acknowledging a little while ago that knowledge is not
the same as opinion?
Why, yes, he said: how can any reasonable being ever identify that which
is infallible with that which errs?
An excellent answer, proving, I said, that we are quite conscious of a
distinction between them.
Yes.
Then knowledge and opinion having distinct powers have also distinct
spheres or subject-matters?
That is certain.
Being is the sphere or subject-matter of knowledge, and knowledge is to
know the nature of being?
Yes.
And opinion is to have an opinion?
Yes.
And do we know what we opine? or is the subject-matter of opinion the
same as the subject-matter of knowledge?
Nay, he replied, that has been already disproven; if difference in faculty
implies difference in the sphere or subject-matter, and if, as we were saying,
opinion and knowledge are distinct faculties, then the sphere of knowledge
and of opinion cannot be the same.
Then if being is the subject-matter of knowledge, something else must be
the subject-matter of opinion?
Yes, something else.
Well then, is not-being the subject-matter of opinion? or, rather, how can
there be an opinion at all about not-being? Reflect: when a man has an
opinion, has he not an opinion about something? Can he have an opinion
which is an opinion about nothing?
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Yes.
And not-being is not one thing but, properly speaking, nothing?
True.
Of not-being, ignorance was assumed to be the necessary correlative; of
being, knowledge?
True, he said.
Then opinion is not concerned either with being or with not-being?
Not with either.
And can therefore neither be ignorance nor knowledge?
That seems to be true.
But is opinion to be sought without and beyond either of them, in a
greater clearness than knowledge, or in a greater darkness than ignorance?
In neither.
Then I suppose that opinion appears to you to be darker than knowledge,
but lighter than ignorance?
Both; and in no small degree.
And also to be within and between them?
Yes.
Then you would infer that opinion is intermediate?
No question.
But were we not saying before, that if anything appeared to be of a sort
which is and is not at the same time, that sort of thing would appear also to
lie in the interval between pure being and absolute not-being; and that the
corresponding faculty is neither knowledge nor ignorance, but will be found
in the interval between them?
True.
And in that interval there has now been discovered something which we
call opinion?
There has.
Then what remains to be discovered is the object which partakes equally
of the nature of being and not-being, and cannot rightly be termed either,
pure and simple; this unknown term, when discovered, we may truly call
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extremes to the faculties of the extremes and the mean to the faculty of the
mean.
True.
This being premised, I would ask the gentleman who is of opinion that
there is no absolute or unchangeable idea of beauty—in whose opinion the
beautiful is the manifold—he, I say, your lover of beautiful sights, who
cannot bear to be told that the beautiful is one, and the just is one, or that
anything is one—to him I would appeal, saying, Will you be so very kind,
sir, as to tell us whether, of all these beautiful things, there is one which will
not be found ugly; or of the just, which will not be found unjust; or of the
holy, which will not also be unholy?
No, he replied; the beautiful will in some point of view be found ugly;
and the same is true of the rest.
And may not the many which are doubles be also halves?—doubles, that
is, of one thing, and halves of another?
Quite true.
And things great and small, heavy and light, as they are termed, will not
be denoted by these any more than by the opposite names?
True; both these and the opposite names will always attach to all of them.
And can any one of those many things which are called by particular
names be said to be this rather than not to be this?
He replied: They are like the punning riddles which are asked at feasts or
the children’s puzzle about the eunuch aiming at the bat, with what he hit
him, as they say in the puzzle, and upon what the bat was sitting. The
individual objects of which I am speaking are also a riddle, and have a
double sense: nor can you fix them in your mind, either as being or not-
being, or both, or neither.
Then what will you do with them? I said. Can they have a better place
than between being and not-being? For they are clearly not in greater
darkness or negation than not-being, or more full of light and existence than
being.
That is quite true, he said.
Thus then we seem to have discovered that the many ideas which the
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about in some region which is half-way between pure being and pure not-
being?
We have.
Yes; and we had before agreed that anything of this kind which we might
find was to be described as matter of opinion, and not as matter of
knowledge; being the intermediate flux which is caught and detained by the
intermediate faculty.
Quite true.
Then those who see the many beautiful, and who yet neither see absolute
beauty, nor can follow any guide who points the way thither; who see the
many just, and not absolute justice, and the like,—such persons may be said
to have opinion but not knowledge?
That is certain.
But those who see the absolute and eternal and immutable may be said to
know, and not to have opinion only?
Neither can that be denied.
The one love and embrace the subjects of knowledge, the other those of
opinion? The latter are the same, as I dare say you will remember, who
listened to sweet sounds and gazed upon fair colours, but would not tolerate
the existence of absolute beauty.
Yes, I remember.
Shall we then be guilty of any impropriety in calling them lovers of
opinion rather than lovers of wisdom, and will they be very angry with us
for thus describing them?
I shall tell them not to be angry; no man should be angry at what is true.
But those who love the truth in each thing are to be called lovers of
wisdom and not lovers of opinion.
Assuredly.

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BOOK VI.

And thus, Glaucon, after the argument has gone a weary way, the true
and the false philosophers have at length appeared in view.
I do not think, he said, that the way could have been shortened.
I suppose not, I said; and yet I believe that we might have had a better
view of both of them if the discussion could have been confined to this one
subject and if there were not many other questions awaiting us, which he
who desires to see in what respect the life of the just differs from that of the
unjust must consider.
And what is the next question? he asked.
Surely, I said, the one which follows next in order. Inasmuch as
philosophers only are able to grasp the eternal and unchangeable, and those
who wander in the region of the many and variable are not philosophers, I
must ask you which of the two classes should be the rulers of our State?
And how can we rightly answer that question?
Whichever of the two are best able to guard the laws and institutions of
our State—let them be our guardians.
Very good.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the guardian who is to keep
anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of
the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern,
and are unable as with a painter’s eye to look at the absolute truth and to
that original to repair, and having perfect vision of the other world to order
the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if not already ordered, and
to guard and preserve the order of them—are not such persons, I ask,
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Truly, he replied, they are much in that condition.
And shall they be our guardians when there are others who, besides being
their equals in experience and falling short of them in no particular of
virtue, also know the very truth of each thing?
There can be no reason, he said, for rejecting those who have this greatest
of all great qualities; they must always have the first place unless they fail
in some other respect.
Suppose then, I said, that we determine how far they can unite this and
the other excellences.
By all means.
In the first place, as we began by observing, the nature of the philosopher
has to be ascertained. We must come to an understanding about him, and,
when we have done so, then, if I am not mistaken, we shall also
acknowledge that such an union of qualities is possible, and that those in
whom they are united, and those only, should be rulers in the State.
What do you mean?
Let us suppose that philosophical minds always love knowledge of a sort
which shows them the eternal nature not varying from generation and
corruption.
Agreed.
And further, I said, let us agree that they are lovers of all true being; there
is no part whether greater or less, or more or less honourable, which they
are willing to renounce; as we said before of the lover and the man of
ambition.
True.
And if they are to be what we were describing, is there not another
quality which they should also possess?
What quality?
Truthfulness: they will never intentionally receive into their mind
falsehood, which is their detestation, and they will love the truth.
Yes, that may be safely affirmed of them.
‘May be,’ my friend, I replied, is not the word; say rather ‘must be
affirmed:’ for he whose nature is amorous of anything cannot help loving all
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Right, he said.
And is there anything more akin to wisdom than truth?
How can there be?
Can the same nature be a lover of wisdom and a lover of falsehood?
Never.
The true lover of learning then must from his earliest youth, as far as in
him lies, desire all truth?
Assuredly.
But then again, as we know by experience, he whose desires are strong in
one direction will have them weaker in others; they will be like a stream
which has been drawn off into another channel.
True.
He whose desires are drawn towards knowledge in every form will be
absorbed in the pleasures of the soul, and will hardly feel bodily pleasure—
I mean, if he be a true philosopher and not a sham one.
That is most certain.
Such an one is sure to be temperate and the reverse of covetous; for the
motives which make another man desirous of having and spending, have no
place in his character.
Very true.
Another criterion of the philosophical nature has also to be considered.
What is that?
There should be no secret corner of illiberality; nothing can be more
antagonistic than meanness to a soul which is ever longing after the whole
of things both divine and human.
Most true, he replied.
Then how can he who has magnificence of mind and is the spectator of
all time and all existence, think much of human life?
He cannot.
Or can such an one account death fearful?
No indeed.
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Certainly not.
Or again: can he who is harmoniously constituted, who is not covetous or
mean, or a boaster, or a coward—can he, I say, ever be unjust or hard in his
dealings?
Impossible.
Then you will soon observe whether a man is just and gentle, or rude and
unsociable; these are the signs which distinguish even in youth the
philosophical nature from the unphilosophical.
True.
There is another point which should be remarked.
What point?
Whether he has or has not a pleasure in learning; for no one will love that
which gives him pain, and in which after much toil he makes little progress.
Certainly not.
And again, if he is forgetful and retains nothing of what he learns, will he
not be an empty vessel?
That is certain.
Labouring in vain, he must end in hating himself and his fruitless
occupation? Yes.
Then a soul which forgets cannot be ranked among genuine philosophic
natures; we must insist that the philosopher should have a good memory?
Certainly.
And once more, the inharmonious and unseemly nature can only tend to
disproportion?
Undoubtedly.
And do you consider truth to be akin to proportion or to disproportion?
To proportion.
Then, besides other qualities, we must try to find a naturally well-
proportioned and gracious mind, which will move spontaneously towards
the true being of everything.
Certainly.
Well, and do not all these qualities, which we have been enumerating, go
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a full and perfect participation of being?
They are absolutely necessary, he replied.
And must not that be a blameless study which he only can pursue who
has the gift of a good memory, and is quick to learn,—noble, gracious, the
friend of truth, justice, courage, temperance, who are his kindred?
The god of jealousy himself, he said, could find no fault with such a
study.
And to men like him, I said, when perfected by years and education, and
to these only you will entrust the State.
Here Adeimantus interposed and said: To these statements, Socrates, no
one can offer a reply; but when you talk in this way, a strange feeling passes
over the minds of your hearers: They fancy that they are led astray a little at
each step in the argument, owing to their own want of skill in asking and
answering questions; these littles accumulate, and at the end of the
discussion they are found to have sustained a mighty overthrow and all their
former notions appear to be turned upside down. And as unskilful players of
draughts are at last shut up by their more skilful adversaries and have no
piece to move, so they too find themselves shut up at last; for they have
nothing to say in this new game of which words are the counters; and yet all
the time they are in the right. The observation is suggested to me by what is
now occurring. For any one of us might say, that although in words he is not
able to meet you at each step of the argument, he sees as a fact that the
votaries of philosophy, when they carry on the study, not only in youth as a
part of education, but as the pursuit of their maturer years, most of them
become strange monsters, not to say utter rogues, and that those who may
be considered the best of them are made useless to the world by the very
study which you extol.
Well, and do you think that those who say so are wrong?
I cannot tell, he replied; but I should like to know what is your opinion.
Hear my answer; I am of opinion that they are quite right.
Then how can you be justified in saying that cities will not cease from
evil until philosophers rule in them, when philosophers are acknowledged
by us to be of no use to them?
You ask a question, I said, to which a reply can only be given in a
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Yes, Socrates; and that is a way of speaking to which you are not at all
accustomed, I suppose.
I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged me into
such a hopeless discussion; but now hear the parable, and then you will be
still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the manner in
which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous that no
single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to plead their
cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure made up of
many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which are found in
pictures. Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is a captain who is
taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a
similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much
better. The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering—
every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never
learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he
learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to
cut in pieces any one who says the contrary. They throng about the captain,
begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any time
they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the others or
throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble captain’s
senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take possession of
the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and drinking, they
proceed on their voyage in such manner as might be expected of them. Him
who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their plot for getting the ship
out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by force or persuasion,
they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able seaman, and abuse the
other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-nothing; but that the true pilot
must pay attention to the year and seasons and sky and stars and winds, and
whatever else belongs to his art, if he intends to be really qualified for the
command of a ship, and that he must and will be the steerer, whether other
people like or not—the possibility of this union of authority with the
steerer’s art has never seriously entered into their thoughts or been made
part of their calling. Now in vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by
sailors who are mutineers, how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not
be called by them a prater, a star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?
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Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the interpretation of the figure,
which describes the true philosopher in his relation to the State; for you
understand already.
Certainly.
Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is
surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain
it to him and try to convince him that their having honour would be far
more extraordinary.
I will.
Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless
to the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their
uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to
themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded
by him—that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the
doors of the rich’—the ingenious author of this saying told a lie—but the
truth is, that, when a man is ill, whether he be rich or poor, to the physician
he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able to govern.
The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects to be ruled
by him; although the present governors of mankind are of a different stamp;
they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and the true helmsmen
to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and star-gazers.
Precisely so, he said.
For these reasons, and among men like these, philosophy, the noblest
pursuit of all, is not likely to be much esteemed by those of the opposite
faction; not that the greatest and most lasting injury is done to her by her
opponents, but by her own professing followers, the same of whom you
suppose the accuser to say, that the greater number of them are arrant
rogues, and the best are useless; in which opinion I agreed.
Yes.
And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained?
True.
Then shall we proceed to show that the corruption of the majority is also
unavoidable, and that this is not to be laid to the charge of philosophy any
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And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the description of
the gentle and noble nature. Truth, as you will remember, was his leader,
whom he followed always and in all things; failing in this, he was an
impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy.
Yes, that was said.
Well, and is not this one quality, to mention no others, greatly at variance
with present notions of him?
Certainly, he said.
And have we not a right to say in his defence, that the true lover of
knowledge is always striving after being—that is his nature; he will not rest
in the multiplicity of individuals which is an appearance only, but will go
on—the keen edge will not be blunted, nor the force of his desire abate until
he have attained the knowledge of the true nature of every essence by a
sympathetic and kindred power in the soul, and by that power drawing near
and mingling and becoming incorporate with very being, having begotten
mind and truth, he will have knowledge and will live and grow truly, and
then, and not till then, will he cease from his travail.
Nothing, he said, can be more just than such a description of him.
And will the love of a lie be any part of a philosopher’s nature? Will he
not utterly hate a lie?
He will.
And when truth is the captain, we cannot suspect any evil of the band
which he leads?
Impossible.
Justice and health of mind will be of the company, and temperance will
follow after?
True, he replied.
Neither is there any reason why I should again set in array the
philosopher’s virtues, as you will doubtless remember that courage,
magnificence, apprehension, memory, were his natural gifts. And you
objected that, although no one could deny what I then said, still, if you
leave words and look at facts, the persons who are thus described are some
of them manifestly useless, and the greater number utterly depraved; we
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now arrived at the point of asking why are the majority bad, which question
of necessity brought us back to the examination and definition of the true
philosopher.
Exactly.
And we have next to consider the corruptions of the philosophic nature,
why so many are spoiled and so few escape spoiling—I am speaking of
those who were said to be useless but not wicked—and, when we have done
with them, we will speak of the imitators of philosophy, what manner of
men are they who aspire after a profession which is above them and of
which they are unworthy, and then, by their manifold inconsistencies, bring
upon philosophy, and upon all philosophers, that universal reprobation of
which we speak.
What are these corruptions? he said.
I will see if I can explain them to you. Every one will admit that a nature
having in perfection all the qualities which we required in a philosopher, is
a rare plant which is seldom seen among men.
Rare indeed.
And what numberless and powerful causes tend to destroy these rare
natures!
What causes?
In the first place there are their own virtues, their courage, temperance,
and the rest of them, every one of which praiseworthy qualities (and this is
a most singular circumstance) destroys and distracts from philosophy the
soul which is the possessor of them.
That is very singular, he replied.
Then there are all the ordinary goods of life—beauty, wealth, strength,
rank, and great connections in the State—you understand the sort of things
—these also have a corrupting and distracting effect.
I understand; but I should like to know more precisely what you mean
about them.
Grasp the truth as a whole, I said, and in the right way; you will then
have no difficulty in apprehending the preceding remarks, and they will no
longer appear strange to you.
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Why, I said, we know that all germs or seeds, whether vegetable or
animal, when they fail to meet with proper nutriment or climate or soil, in
proportion to their vigour, are all the more sensitive to the want of a suitable
environment, for evil is a greater enemy to what is good than to what is not.
Very true.
There is reason in supposing that the finest natures, when under alien
conditions, receive more injury than the inferior, because the contrast is
greater.
Certainly.
And may we not say, Adeimantus, that the most gifted minds, when they
are ill-educated, become pre-eminently bad? Do not great crimes and the
spirit of pure evil spring out of a fulness of nature ruined by education
rather than from any inferiority, whereas weak natures are scarcely capable
of any very great good or very great evil?
There I think that you are right.
And our philosopher follows the same analogy—he is like a plant which,
having proper nurture, must necessarily grow and mature into all virtue,
but, if sown and planted in an alien soil, becomes the most noxious of all
weeds, unless he be preserved by some divine power. Do you really think,
as people so often say, that our youth are corrupted by Sophists, or that
private teachers of the art corrupt them in any degree worth speaking of?
Are not the public who say these things the greatest of all Sophists? And do
they not educate to perfection young and old, men and women alike, and
fashion them after their own hearts?
When is this accomplished? he said.
When they meet together, and the world sits down at an assembly, or in a
court of law, or a theatre, or a camp, or in any other popular resort, and
there is a great uproar, and they praise some things which are being said or
done, and blame other things, equally exaggerating both, shouting and
clapping their hands, and the echo of the rocks and the place in which they
are assembled redoubles the sound of the praise or blame—at such a time
will not a young man’s heart, as they say, leap within him? Will any private
training enable him to stand firm against the overwhelming flood of popular
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notions of good and evil which the public in general have—he will do as
they do, and as they are, such will he be?
Yes, Socrates; necessity will compel him.
And yet, I said, there is a still greater necessity, which has not been
mentioned.
What is that?
The gentle force of attainder or confiscation or death, which, as you are
aware, these new Sophists and educators, who are the public, apply when
their words are powerless.
Indeed they do; and in right good earnest.
Now what opinion of any other Sophist, or of any private person, can be
expected to overcome in such an unequal contest?
None, he replied.
No, indeed, I said, even to make the attempt is a great piece of folly;
there neither is, nor has been, nor is ever likely to be, any different type of
character which has had no other training in virtue but that which is
supplied by public opinion—I speak, my friend, of human virtue only; what
is more than human, as the proverb says, is not included: for I would not
have you ignorant that, in the present evil state of governments, whatever is
saved and comes to good is saved by the power of God, as we may truly
say.
I quite assent, he replied.
Then let me crave your assent also to a further observation.
What are you going to say?
Why, that all those mercenary individuals, whom the many call Sophists
and whom they deem to be their adversaries, do, in fact, teach nothing but
the opinion of the many, that is to say, the opinions of their assemblies; and
this is their wisdom. I might compare them to a man who should study the
tempers and desires of a mighty strong beast who is fed by him—he would
learn how to approach and handle him, also at what times and from what
causes he is dangerous or the reverse, and what is the meaning of his
several cries, and by what sounds, when another utters them, he is soothed
or infuriated; and you may suppose further, that when, by continually
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knowledge wisdom, and makes of it a system or art, which he proceeds to
teach, although he has no real notion of what he means by the principles or
passions of which he is speaking, but calls this honourable and that
dishonourable, or good or evil, or just or unjust, all in accordance with the
tastes and tempers of the great brute. Good he pronounces to be that in
which the beast delights and evil to be that which he dislikes; and he can
give no other account of them except that the just and noble are the
necessary, having never himself seen, and having no power of explaining to
others the nature of either, or the difference between them, which is
immense. By heaven, would not such an one be a rare educator?
Indeed he would.
And in what way does he who thinks that wisdom is the discernment of
the tempers and tastes of the motley multitude, whether in painting or
music, or, finally, in politics, differ from him whom I have been describing?
For when a man consorts with the many, and exhibits to them his poem or
other work of art or the service which he has done the State, making them
his judges when he is not obliged, the so-called necessity of Diomede will
oblige him to produce whatever they praise. And yet the reasons are utterly
ludicrous which they give in confirmation of their own notions about the
honourable and good. Did you ever hear any of them which were not?
No, nor am I likely to hear.
You recognise the truth of what I have been saying? Then let me ask you
to consider further whether the world will ever be induced to believe in the
existence of absolute beauty rather than of the many beautiful, or of the
absolute in each kind rather than of the many in each kind?
Certainly not.
Then the world cannot possibly be a philosopher?
Impossible.
And therefore philosophers must inevitably fall under the censure of the
world?
They must.
And of individuals who consort with the mob and seek to please them?
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Then, do you see any way in which the philosopher can be preserved in
his calling to the end? and remember what we were saying of him, that he
was to have quickness and memory and courage and magnificence—these
were admitted by us to be the true philosopher’s gifts.
Yes.
Will not such an one from his early childhood be in all things first among
all, especially if his bodily endowments are like his mental ones?
Certainly, he said.
And his friends and fellow-citizens will want to use him as he gets older
for their own purposes?
No question.
Falling at his feet, they will make requests to him and do him honour and
flatter him, because they want to get into their hands now, the power which
he will one day possess.
That often happens, he said.
And what will a man such as he is be likely to do under such
circumstances, especially if he be a citizen of a great city, rich and noble,
and a tall proper youth? Will he not be full of boundless aspirations, and
fancy himself able to manage the affairs of Hellenes and of barbarians, and
having got such notions into his head will he not dilate and elevate himself
in the fulness of vain pomp and senseless pride?
To be sure he will.
Now, when he is in this state of mind, if some one gently comes to him
and tells him that he is a fool and must get understanding, which can only
be got by slaving for it, do you think that, under such adverse
circumstances, he will be easily induced to listen?
Far otherwise.
And even if there be some one who through inherent goodness or natural
reasonableness has had his eyes opened a little and is humbled and taken
captive by philosophy, how will his friends behave when they think that
they are likely to lose the advantage which they were hoping to reap from
his companionship? Will they not do and say anything to prevent him from
yielding to his better nature and to render his teacher powerless, using to
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There can be no doubt of it.
And how can one who is thus circumstanced ever become a philosopher?
Impossible.
Then were we not right in saying that even the very qualities which make
a man a philosopher may, if he be ill-educated, divert him from philosophy,
no less than riches and their accompaniments and the other so-called goods
of life?
We were quite right.
Thus, my excellent friend, is brought about all that ruin and failure which
I have been describing of the natures best adapted to the best of all pursuits;
they are natures which we maintain to be rare at any time; this being the
class out of which come the men who are the authors of the greatest evil to
States and individuals; and also of the greatest good when the tide carries
them in that direction; but a small man never was the doer of any great
thing either to individuals or to States.
That is most true, he said.
And so philosophy is left desolate, with her marriage rite incomplete: for
her own have fallen away and forsaken her, and while they are leading a
false and unbecoming life, other unworthy persons, seeing that she has no
kinsmen to be her protectors, enter in and dishonour her; and fasten upon
her the reproaches which, as you say, her reprovers utter, who affirm of her
votaries that some are good for nothing, and that the greater number deserve
the severest punishment.
That is certainly what people say.
Yes; and what else would you expect, I said, when you think of the puny
creatures who, seeing this land open to them—a land well stocked with fair
names and showy titles—like prisoners running out of prison into a
sanctuary, take a leap out of their trades into philosophy; those who do so
being probably the cleverest hands at their own miserable crafts? For,
although philosophy be in this evil case, still there remains a dignity about
her which is not to be found in the arts. And many are thus attracted by her
whose natures are imperfect and whose souls are maimed and disfigured by
their meannesses, as their bodies are by their trades and crafts. Is not this
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Are they not exactly like a bald little tinker who has just got out of
durance and come into a fortune; he takes a bath and puts on a new coat,
and is decked out as a bridegroom going to marry his master’s daughter,
who is left poor and desolate?
A most exact parallel.
What will be the issue of such marriages? Will they not be vile and
bastard?
There can be no question of it.
And when persons who are unworthy of education approach philosophy
and make an alliance with her who is in a rank above them what sort of
ideas and opinions are likely to be generated? Will they not be sophisms
captivating to the ear, having nothing in them genuine, or worthy of or akin
to true wisdom?
No doubt, he said.
Then, Adeimantus, I said, the worthy disciples of philosophy will be but
a small remnant: perchance some noble and well-educated person, detained
by exile in her service, who in the absence of corrupting influences remains
devoted to her; or some lofty soul born in a mean city, the politics of which
he contemns and neglects; and there may be a gifted few who leave the arts,
which they justly despise, and come to her;—or peradventure there are
some who are restrained by our friend Theages’ bridle; for everything in the
life of Theages conspired to divert him from philosophy; but ill-health kept
him away from politics. My own case of the internal sign is hardly worth
mentioning, for rarely, if ever, has such a monitor been given to any other
man. Those who belong to this small class have tasted how sweet and
blessed a possession philosophy is, and have also seen enough of the
madness of the multitude; and they know that no politician is honest, nor is
there any champion of justice at whose side they may fight and be saved.
Such an one may be compared to a man who has fallen among wild beasts
—he will not join in the wickedness of his fellows, but neither is he able
singly to resist all their fierce natures, and therefore seeing that he would be
of no use to the State or to his friends, and reflecting that he would have to
throw away his life without doing any good either to himself or others, he
holds his peace, and goes his own way. He is like one who, in the storm of
dust and sleet which the driving wind hurries along, retires under the shelter
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only he can live his own life and be pure from evil or unrighteousness, and
depart in peace and good-will, with bright hopes.
Yes, he said, and he will have done a great work before he departs.
A great work—yes; but not the greatest, unless he find a State suitable to
him; for in a State which is suitable to him, he will have a larger growth and
be the saviour of his country, as well as of himself.
The causes why philosophy is in such an evil name have now been
sufficiently explained: the injustice of the charges against her has been
shown—is there anything more which you wish to say?
Nothing more on that subject, he replied; but I should like to know which
of the governments now existing is in your opinion the one adapted to her.
Not any of them, I said; and that is precisely the accusation which I bring
against them—not one of them is worthy of the philosophic nature, and
hence that nature is warped and estranged;—as the exotic seed which is
sown in a foreign land becomes denaturalized, and is wont to be
overpowered and to lose itself in the new soil, even so this growth of
philosophy, instead of persisting, degenerates and receives another
character. But if philosophy ever finds in the State that perfection which she
herself is, then will be seen that she is in truth divine, and that all other
things, whether natures of men or institutions, are but human;—and now, I
know, that you are going to ask, What that State is:
No, he said; there you are wrong, for I was going to ask another question
—whether it is the State of which we are the founders and inventors, or
some other?
Yes, I replied, ours in most respects; but you may remember my saying
before, that some living authority would always be required in the State
having the same idea of the constitution which guided you when as
legislator you were laying down the laws.
That was said, he replied.
Yes, but not in a satisfactory manner; you frightened us by interposing
objections, which certainly showed that the discussion would be long and
difficult; and what still remains is the reverse of easy.
What is there remaining?
The question how the study of philosophy may be so ordered as not to be
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good,’ as men say.
Still, he said, let the point be cleared up, and the enquiry will then be
complete.
I shall not be hindered, I said, by any want of will, but, if at all, by a want
of power: my zeal you may see for yourselves; and please to remark in what
I am about to say how boldly and unhesitatingly I declare that States should
pursue philosophy, not as they do now, but in a different spirit.
In what manner?
At present, I said, the students of philosophy are quite young; beginning
when they are hardly past childhood, they devote only the time saved from
moneymaking and housekeeping to such pursuits; and even those of them
who are reputed to have most of the philosophic spirit, when they come
within sight of the great difficulty of the subject, I mean dialectic, take
themselves off. In after life when invited by some one else, they may,
perhaps, go and hear a lecture, and about this they make much ado, for
philosophy is not considered by them to be their proper business: at last,
when they grow old, in most cases they are extinguished more truly than
Heracleitus’ sun, inasmuch as they never light up again. (Heraclitus said
that the sun was extinguished every evening and relighted every morning.)
But what ought to be their course?
Just the opposite. In childhood and youth their study, and what
philosophy they learn, should be suited to their tender years: during this
period while they are growing up towards manhood, the chief and special
care should be given to their bodies that they may have them to use in the
service of philosophy; as life advances and the intellect begins to mature, let
them increase the gymnastics of the soul; but when the strength of our
citizens fails and is past civil and military duties, then let them range at will
and engage in no serious labour, as we intend them to live happily here, and
to crown this life with a similar happiness in another.
How truly in earnest you are, Socrates! he said; I am sure of that; and yet
most of your hearers, if I am not mistaken, are likely to be still more earnest
in their opposition to you, and will never be convinced; Thrasymachus least
of all.
Do not make a quarrel, I said, between Thrasymachus and me, who have
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shall go on striving to the utmost until I either convert him and other men,
or do something which may profit them against the day when they live
again, and hold the like discourse in another state of existence.
You are speaking of a time which is not very near.
Rather, I replied, of a time which is as nothing in comparison with
eternity. Nevertheless, I do not wonder that the many refuse to believe; for
they have never seen that of which we are now speaking realized; they have
seen only a conventional imitation of philosophy, consisting of words
artificially brought together, not like these of ours having a natural unity.
But a human being who in word and work is perfectly moulded, as far as he
can be, into the proportion and likeness of virtue—such a man ruling in a
city which bears the same image, they have never yet seen, neither one nor
many of them—do you think that they ever did?
No indeed.
No, my friend, and they have seldom, if ever, heard free and noble
sentiments; such as men utter when they are earnestly and by every means
in their power seeking after truth for the sake of knowledge, while they look
coldly on the subtleties of controversy, of which the end is opinion and
strife, whether they meet with them in the courts of law or in society.
They are strangers, he said, to the words of which you speak.
And this was what we foresaw, and this was the reason why truth forced
us to admit, not without fear and hesitation, that neither cities nor States nor
individuals will ever attain perfection until the small class of philosophers
whom we termed useless but not corrupt are providentially compelled,
whether they will or not, to take care of the State, and until a like necessity
be laid on the State to obey them; or until kings, or if not kings, the sons of
kings or princes, are divinely inspired with a true love of true philosophy.
That either or both of these alternatives are impossible, I see no reason to
affirm: if they were so, we might indeed be justly ridiculed as dreamers and
visionaries. Am I not right?
Quite right.
If then, in the countless ages of the past, or at the present hour in some
foreign clime which is far away and beyond our ken, the perfected
philosopher is or has been or hereafter shall be compelled by a superior
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that this our constitution has been, and is—yea, and will be whenever the
Muse of Philosophy is queen. There is no impossibility in all this; that there
is a difficulty, we acknowledge ourselves.
My opinion agrees with yours, he said.
But do you mean to say that this is not the opinion of the multitude?
I should imagine not, he replied.
O my friend, I said, do not attack the multitude: they will change their
minds, if, not in an aggressive spirit, but gently and with the view of
soothing them and removing their dislike of over-education, you show them
your philosophers as they really are and describe as you were just now
doing their character and profession, and then mankind will see that he of
whom you are speaking is not such as they supposed—if they view him in
this new light, they will surely change their notion of him, and answer in
another strain. Who can be at enmity with one who loves them, who that is
himself gentle and free from envy will be jealous of one in whom there is
no jealousy? Nay, let me answer for you, that in a few this harsh temper
may be found but not in the majority of mankind.
I quite agree with you, he said.
And do you not also think, as I do, that the harsh feeling which the many
entertain towards philosophy originates in the pretenders, who rush in
uninvited, and are always abusing them, and finding fault with them, who
make persons instead of things the theme of their conversation? and nothing
can be more unbecoming in philosophers than this.
It is most unbecoming.
For he, Adeimantus, whose mind is fixed upon true being, has surely no
time to look down upon the affairs of earth, or to be filled with malice and
envy, contending against men; his eye is ever directed towards things fixed
and immutable, which he sees neither injuring nor injured by one another,
but all in order moving according to reason; these he imitates, and to these
he will, as far as he can, conform himself. Can a man help imitating that
with which he holds reverential converse?
Impossible.
And the philosopher holding converse with the divine order, becomes
orderly and divine, as far as the nature of man allows; but like every one
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Of course.
And if a necessity be laid upon him of fashioning, not only himself, but
human nature generally, whether in States or individuals, into that which he
beholds elsewhere, will he, think you, be an unskilful artificer of justice,
temperance, and every civil virtue?
Anything but unskilful.
And if the world perceives that what we are saying about him is the truth,
will they be angry with philosophy? Will they disbelieve us, when we tell
them that no State can be happy which is not designed by artists who
imitate the heavenly pattern?
They will not be angry if they understand, he said. But how will they
draw out the plan of which you are speaking?
They will begin by taking the State and the manners of men, from which,
as from a tablet, they will rub out the picture, and leave a clean surface.
This is no easy task. But whether easy or not, herein will lie the difference
between them and every other legislator,—they will have nothing to do
either with individual or State, and will inscribe no laws, until they have
either found, or themselves made, a clean surface.
They will be very right, he said.
Having effected this, they will proceed to trace an outline of the
constitution?
No doubt.
And when they are filling in the work, as I conceive, they will often turn
their eyes upwards and downwards: I mean that they will first look at
absolute justice and beauty and temperance, and again at the human copy;
and will mingle and temper the various elements of life into the image of a
man; and this they will conceive according to that other image, which,
when existing among men, Homer calls the form and likeness of God.
Very true, he said.
And one feature they will erase, and another they will put in, until they
have made the ways of men, as far as possible, agreeable to the ways of
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And now, I said, are we beginning to persuade those whom you described
as rushing at us with might and main, that the painter of constitutions is
such an one as we are praising; at whom they were so very indignant
because to his hands we committed the State; and are they growing a little
calmer at what they have just heard?
Much calmer, if there is any sense in them.
Why, where can they still find any ground for objection? Will they doubt
that the philosopher is a lover of truth and being?
They would not be so unreasonable.
Or that his nature, being such as we have delineated, is akin to the
highest good?
Neither can they doubt this.
But again, will they tell us that such a nature, placed under favourable
circumstances, will not be perfectly good and wise if any ever was? Or will
they prefer those whom we have rejected?
Surely not.
Then will they still be angry at our saying, that, until philosophers bear
rule, States and individuals will have no rest from evil, nor will this our
imaginary State ever be realized?
I think that they will be less angry.
Shall we assume that they are not only less angry but quite gentle, and
that they have been converted and for very shame, if for no other reason,
cannot refuse to come to terms?
By all means, he said.
Then let us suppose that the reconciliation has been effected. Will any
one deny the other point, that there may be sons of kings or princes who are
by nature philosophers?
Surely no man, he said.
And when they have come into being will any one say that they must of
necessity be destroyed; that they can hardly be saved is not denied even by
us; but that in the whole course of ages no single one of them can escape—
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But, said I, one is enough; let there be one man who has a city obedient
to his will, and he might bring into existence the ideal polity about which
the world is so incredulous.
Yes, one is enough.
The ruler may impose the laws and institutions which we have been
describing, and the citizens may possibly be willing to obey them?
Certainly.
And that others should approve, of what we approve, is no miracle or
impossibility?
I think not.
But we have sufficiently shown, in what has preceded, that all this, if
only possible, is assuredly for the best.
We have.
And now we say not only that our laws, if they could be enacted, would
be for the best, but also that the enactment of them, though difficult, is not
impossible.
Very good.
And so with pain and toil we have reached the end of one subject, but
more remains to be discussed;—how and by what studies and pursuits will
the saviours of the constitution be created, and at what ages are they to
apply themselves to their several studies?
Certainly.
I omitted the troublesome business of the possession of women, and the
procreation of children, and the appointment of the rulers, because I knew
that the perfect State would be eyed with jealousy and was difficult of
attainment; but that piece of cleverness was not of much service to me, for I
had to discuss them all the same. The women and children are now disposed
of, but the other question of the rulers must be investigated from the very
beginning. We were saying, as you will remember, that they were to be
lovers of their country, tried by the test of pleasures and pains, and neither
in hardships, nor in dangers, nor at any other critical moment were to lose
their patriotism—he was to be rejected who failed, but he who always came
forth pure, like gold tried in the refiner’s fire, was to be made a ruler, and to
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thing which was being said, and then the argument turned aside and veiled
her face; not liking to stir the question which has now arisen.
I perfectly remember, he said.
Yes, my friend, I said, and I then shrank from hazarding the bold word;
but now let me dare to say—that the perfect guardian must be a
philosopher.
Yes, he said, let that be affirmed.
And do not suppose that there will be many of them; for the gifts which
were deemed by us to be essential rarely grow together; they are mostly
found in shreds and patches.
What do you mean? he said.
You are aware, I replied, that quick intelligence, memory, sagacity,
cleverness, and similar qualities, do not often grow together, and that
persons who possess them and are at the same time high-spirited and
magnanimous are not so constituted by nature as to live orderly and in a
peaceful and settled manner; they are driven any way by their impulses, and
all solid principle goes out of them.
Very true, he said.
On the other hand, those steadfast natures which can better be depended
upon, which in a battle are impregnable to fear and immovable, are equally
immovable when there is anything to be learned; they are always in a torpid
state, and are apt to yawn and go to sleep over any intellectual toil.
Quite true.
And yet we were saying that both qualities were necessary in those to
whom the higher education is to be imparted, and who are to share in any
office or command.
Certainly, he said.
And will they be a class which is rarely found?
Yes, indeed.
Then the aspirant must not only be tested in those labours and dangers
and pleasures which we mentioned before, but there is another kind of
probation which we did not mention—he must be exercised also in many
kinds of knowledge, to see whether the soul will be able to endure the
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Yes, he said, you are quite right in testing him. But what do you mean by
the highest of all knowledge?
You may remember, I said, that we divided the soul into three parts; and
distinguished the several natures of justice, temperance, courage, and
wisdom?
Indeed, he said, if I had forgotten, I should not deserve to hear more.
And do you remember the word of caution which preceded the discussion
of them?
To what do you refer?
We were saying, if I am not mistaken, that he who wanted to see them in
their perfect beauty must take a longer and more circuitous way, at the end
of which they would appear; but that we could add on a popular exposition
of them on a level with the discussion which had preceded. And you replied
that such an exposition would be enough for you, and so the enquiry was
continued in what to me seemed to be a very inaccurate manner; whether
you were satisfied or not, it is for you to say.
Yes, he said, I thought and the others thought that you gave us a fair
measure of truth.
But, my friend, I said, a measure of such things which in any degree falls
short of the whole truth is not fair measure; for nothing imperfect is the
measure of anything, although persons are too apt to be contented and think
that they need search no further.
Not an uncommon case when people are indolent.
Yes, I said; and there cannot be any worse fault in a guardian of the State
and of the laws.
True.
The guardian then, I said, must be required to take the longer circuit, and
toil at learning as well as at gymnastics, or he will never reach the highest
knowledge of all which, as we were just now saying, is his proper calling.
What, he said, is there a knowledge still higher than this—higher than
justice and the other virtues?
Yes, I said, there is. And of the virtues too we must behold not the outline
merely, as at present—nothing short of the most finished picture should
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order that they may appear in their full beauty and utmost clearness, how
ridiculous that we should not think the highest truths worthy of attaining the
highest accuracy!
A right noble thought; but do you suppose that we shall refrain from
asking you what is this highest knowledge?
Nay, I said, ask if you will; but I am certain that you have heard the
answer many times, and now you either do not understand me or, as I rather
think, you are disposed to be troublesome; for you have often been told that
the idea of good is the highest knowledge, and that all other things become
useful and advantageous only by their use of this. You can hardly be
ignorant that of this I was about to speak, concerning which, as you have
often heard me say, we know so little; and, without which, any other
knowledge or possession of any kind will profit us nothing. Do you think
that the possession of all other things is of any value if we do not possess
the good? or the knowledge of all other things if we have no knowledge of
beauty and goodness?
Assuredly not.
You are further aware that most people affirm pleasure to be the good,
but the finer sort of wits say it is knowledge?
Yes.
And you are aware too that the latter cannot explain what they mean by
knowledge, but are obliged after all to say knowledge of the good?
How ridiculous!
Yes, I said, that they should begin by reproaching us with our ignorance
of the good, and then presume our knowledge of it—for the good they
define to be knowledge of the good, just as if we understood them when
they use the term ‘good’—this is of course ridiculous.
Most true, he said.
And those who make pleasure their good are in equal perplexity; for they
are compelled to admit that there are bad pleasures as well as good.
Certainly.
And therefore to acknowledge that bad and good are the same?
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There can be no doubt about the numerous difficulties in which this
question is involved.
There can be none.
Further, do we not see that many are willing to do or to have or to seem
to be what is just and honourable without the reality; but no one is satisfied
with the appearance of good—the reality is what they seek; in the case of
the good, appearance is despised by every one.
Very true, he said.
Of this then, which every soul of man pursues and makes the end of all
his actions, having a presentiment that there is such an end, and yet
hesitating because neither knowing the nature nor having the same
assurance of this as of other things, and therefore losing whatever good
there is in other things,—of a principle such and so great as this ought the
best men in our State, to whom everything is entrusted, to be in the
darkness of ignorance?
Certainly not, he said.
I am sure, I said, that he who does not know how the beautiful and the
just are likewise good will be but a sorry guardian of them; and I suspect
that no one who is ignorant of the good will have a true knowledge of them.
That, he said, is a shrewd suspicion of yours.
And if we only have a guardian who has this knowledge our State will be
perfectly ordered?
Of course, he replied; but I wish that you would tell me whether you
conceive this supreme principle of the good to be knowledge or pleasure, or
different from either?
Aye, I said, I knew all along that a fastidious gentleman like you would
not be contented with the thoughts of other people about these matters.
True, Socrates; but I must say that one who like you has passed a lifetime
in the study of philosophy should not be always repeating the opinions of
others, and never telling his own.
Well, but has any one a right to say positively what he does not know?
Not, he said, with the assurance of positive certainty; he has no right to
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And do you not know, I said, that all mere opinions are bad, and the best
of them blind? You would not deny that those who have any true notion
without intelligence are only like blind men who feel their way along the
road?
Very true.
And do you wish to behold what is blind and crooked and base, when
others will tell you of brightness and beauty?
Still, I must implore you, Socrates, said Glaucon, not to turn away just as
you are reaching the goal; if you will only give such an explanation of the
good as you have already given of justice and temperance and the other
virtues, we shall be satisfied.
Yes, my friend, and I shall be at least equally satisfied, but I cannot help
fearing that I shall fail, and that my indiscreet zeal will bring ridicule upon
me. No, sweet sirs, let us not at present ask what is the actual nature of the
good, for to reach what is now in my thoughts would be an effort too great
for me. But of the child of the good who is likest him, I would fain speak, if
I could be sure that you wished to hear—otherwise, not.
By all means, he said, tell us about the child, and you shall remain in our
debt for the account of the parent.
I do indeed wish, I replied, that I could pay, and you receive, the account
of the parent, and not, as now, of the offspring only; take, however, this
latter by way of interest, and at the same time have a care that I do not
render a false account, although I have no intention of deceiving you.
Yes, we will take all the care that we can: proceed.
Yes, I said, but I must first come to an understanding with you, and
remind you of what I have mentioned in the course of this discussion, and at
many other times.
What?
The old story, that there is a many beautiful and a many good, and so of
other things which we describe and define; to all of them the term ‘many’ is
applied.
True, he said.
And there is an absolute beauty and an absolute good, and of other things
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brought under a single idea, which is called the essence of each.
Very true.
The many, as we say, are seen but not known, and the ideas are known
but not seen.
Exactly.
And what is the organ with which we see the visible things?
The sight, he said.
And with the hearing, I said, we hear, and with the other senses perceive
the other objects of sense?
True.
But have you remarked that sight is by far the most costly and complex
piece of workmanship which the artificer of the senses ever contrived?
No, I never have, he said.
Then reflect; has the ear or voice need of any third or additional nature in
order that the one may be able to hear and the other to be heard?
Nothing of the sort.
No, indeed, I replied; and the same is true of most, if not all, the other
senses—you would not say that any of them requires such an addition?
Certainly not.
But you see that without the addition of some other nature there is no
seeing or being seen?
How do you mean?
Sight being, as I conceive, in the eyes, and he who has eyes wanting to
see; colour being also present in them, still unless there be a third nature
specially adapted to the purpose, the owner of the eyes will see nothing and
the colours will be invisible.
Of what nature are you speaking?
Of that which you term light, I replied.
True, he said.
Noble, then, is the bond which links together sight and visibility, and
great beyond other bonds by no small difference of nature; for light is their
bond, and light is no ignoble thing?
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And which, I said, of the gods in heaven would you say was the lord of
this element? Whose is that light which makes the eye to see perfectly and
the visible to appear?
You mean the sun, as you and all mankind say.
May not the relation of sight to this deity be described as follows?
How?
Neither sight nor the eye in which sight resides is the sun?
No.
Yet of all the organs of sense the eye is the most like the sun?
By far the most like.
And the power which the eye possesses is a sort of effluence which is
dispensed from the sun?
Exactly.
Then the sun is not sight, but the author of sight who is recognised by
sight?
True, he said.
And this is he whom I call the child of the good, whom the good begat in
his own likeness, to be in the visible world, in relation to sight and the
things of sight, what the good is in the intellectual world in relation to mind
and the things of mind:
Will you be a little more explicit? he said.
Why, you know, I said, that the eyes, when a person directs them towards
objects on which the light of day is no longer shining, but the moon and
stars only, see dimly, and are nearly blind; they seem to have no clearness of
vision in them?
Very true.
But when they are directed towards objects on which the sun shines, they
see clearly and there is sight in them?
Certainly.
And the soul is like the eye: when resting upon that on which truth and
being shine, the soul perceives and understands, and is radiant with
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perishing, then she has opinion only, and goes blinking about, and is first of
one opinion and then of another, and seems to have no intelligence?
Just so.
Now, that which imparts truth to the known and the power of knowing to
the knower is what I would have you term the idea of good, and this you
will deem to be the cause of science, and of truth in so far as the latter
becomes the subject of knowledge; beautiful too, as are both truth and
knowledge, you will be right in esteeming this other nature as more
beautiful than either; and, as in the previous instance, light and sight may be
truly said to be like the sun, and yet not to be the sun, so in this other
sphere, science and truth may be deemed to be like the good, but not the
good; the good has a place of honour yet higher.
What a wonder of beauty that must be, he said, which is the author of
science and truth, and yet surpasses them in beauty; for you surely cannot
mean to say that pleasure is the good?
God forbid, I replied; but may I ask you to consider the image in another
point of view?
In what point of view?
You would say, would you not, that the sun is not only the author of
visibility in all visible things, but of generation and nourishment and
growth, though he himself is not generation?
Certainly.
In like manner the good may be said to be not only the author of
knowledge to all things known, but of their being and essence, and yet the
good is not essence, but far exceeds essence in dignity and power.
Glaucon said, with a ludicrous earnestness: By the light of heaven, how
amazing!
Yes, I said, and the exaggeration may be set down to you; for you made
me utter my fancies.
And pray continue to utter them; at any rate let us hear if there is
anything more to be said about the similitude of the sun.
Yes, I said, there is a great deal more.
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I will do my best, I said; but I should think that a great deal will have to
be omitted.
I hope not, he said.
You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling powers, and that one
of them is set over the intellectual world, the other over the visible. I do not
say heaven, lest you should fancy that I am playing upon the name
(‘ourhanoz, orhatoz’). May I suppose that you have this distinction of the
visible and intelligible fixed in your mind?
I have.
Now take a line which has been cut into two unequal parts, and divide
each of them again in the same proportion, and suppose the two main
divisions to answer, one to the visible and the other to the intelligible, and
then compare the subdivisions in respect of their clearness and want of
clearness, and you will find that the first section in the sphere of the visible
consists of images. And by images I mean, in the first place, shadows, and
in the second place, reflections in water and in solid, smooth and polished
bodies and the like: Do you understand?
Yes, I understand.
Imagine, now, the other section, of which this is only the resemblance, to
include the animals which we see, and everything that grows or is made.
Very good.
Would you not admit that both the sections of this division have different
degrees of truth, and that the copy is to the original as the sphere of opinion
is to the sphere of knowledge?
Most undoubtedly.
Next proceed to consider the manner in which the sphere of the
intellectual is to be divided.
In what manner?
Thus:—There are two subdivisions, in the lower of which the soul uses
the figures given by the former division as images; the enquiry can only be
hypothetical, and instead of going upwards to a principle descends to the
other end; in the higher of the two, the soul passes out of hypotheses, and
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as in the former case, but proceeding only in and through the ideas
themselves.
I do not quite understand your meaning, he said.
Then I will try again; you will understand me better when I have made
some preliminary remarks. You are aware that students of geometry,
arithmetic, and the kindred sciences assume the odd and the even and the
figures and three kinds of angles and the like in their several branches of
science; these are their hypotheses, which they and every body are
supposed to know, and therefore they do not deign to give any account of
them either to themselves or others; but they begin with them, and go on
until they arrive at last, and in a consistent manner, at their conclusion?
Yes, he said, I know.
And do you not know also that although they make use of the visible
forms and reason about them, they are thinking not of these, but of the
ideals which they resemble; not of the figures which they draw, but of the
absolute square and the absolute diameter, and so on—the forms which they
draw or make, and which have shadows and reflections in water of their
own, are converted by them into images, but they are really seeking to
behold the things themselves, which can only be seen with the eye of the
mind?
That is true.
And of this kind I spoke as the intelligible, although in the search after it
the soul is compelled to use hypotheses; not ascending to a first principle,
because she is unable to rise above the region of hypothesis, but employing
the objects of which the shadows below are resemblances in their turn as
images, they having in relation to the shadows and reflections of them a
greater distinctness, and therefore a higher value.
I understand, he said, that you are speaking of the province of geometry
and the sister arts.
And when I speak of the other division of the intelligible, you will
understand me to speak of that other sort of knowledge which reason
herself attains by the power of dialectic, using the hypotheses not as first
principles, but only as hypotheses—that is to say, as steps and points of
departure into a world which is above hypotheses, in order that she may
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then to that which depends on this, by successive steps she descends again
without the aid of any sensible object, from ideas, through ideas, and in
ideas she ends.
I understand you, he replied; not perfectly, for you seem to me to be
describing a task which is really tremendous; but, at any rate, I understand
you to say that knowledge and being, which the science of dialectic
contemplates, are clearer than the notions of the arts, as they are termed,
which proceed from hypotheses only: these are also contemplated by the
understanding, and not by the senses: yet, because they start from
hypotheses and do not ascend to a principle, those who contemplate them
appear to you not to exercise the higher reason upon them, although when a
first principle is added to them they are cognizable by the higher reason.
And the habit which is concerned with geometry and the cognate sciences I
suppose that you would term understanding and not reason, as being
intermediate between opinion and reason.
You have quite conceived my meaning, I said; and now, corresponding to
these four divisions, let there be four faculties in the soul—reason
answering to the highest, understanding to the second, faith (or conviction)
to the third, and perception of shadows to the last—and let there be a scale
of them, and let us suppose that the several faculties have clearness in the
same degree that their objects have truth.
I understand, he replied, and give my assent, and accept your
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BOOK VII.

And now, I said, let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened
or unenlightened:—Behold! human beings living in a underground den,
which has a mouth open towards the light and reaching all along the den;
here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks
chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being
prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind
them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners
there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along
the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them,
over which they show the puppets.
I see.
And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of
vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and
various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking,
others silent.
You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the
shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the
cave?
True, he said; how could they see anything but the shadows if they were
never allowed to move their heads?
And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would
only see the shadows?
Yes, he said.
And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not
suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?
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And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the
other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by
spoke that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadow?
No question, he replied.
To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of
the images.
That is certain.
And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners
are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is
liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and
walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will
distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former
state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying to him,
that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is
approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real
existence, he has a clearer vision,—what will be his reply? And you may
further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and
requiring him to name them,—will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy
that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are
now shown to him?
Far truer.
And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a pain
in his eyes which will make him turn away to take refuge in the objects of
vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in reality clearer
than the things which are now being shown to him?
True, he said.
And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and
rugged ascent, and held fast until he is forced into the presence of the sun
himself, is he not likely to be pained and irritated? When he approaches the
light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all
of what are now called realities.
Not all in a moment, he said.
He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And
first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other
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the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; and he will see
the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun by
day?
Certainly.
Last of all he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of him
in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another;
and he will contemplate him as he is.
Certainly.
He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the
years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and in a certain
way the cause of all things which he and his fellows have been accustomed
to behold?
Clearly, he said, he would first see the sun and then reason about him.
And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the den
and his fellow-prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate
himself on the change, and pity them?
Certainly, he would.
And if they were in the habit of conferring honours among themselves on
those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark
which of them went before, and which followed after, and which were
together; and who were therefore best able to draw conclusions as to the
future, do you think that he would care for such honours and glories, or
envy the possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer,
‘Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,’
and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their
manner?
Yes, he said, I think that he would rather suffer anything than entertain
these false notions and live in this miserable manner.
Imagine once more, I said, such an one coming suddenly out of the sun to
be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full
of darkness?
To be sure, he said.
And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the
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sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time
which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very
considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he
went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to
think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to
the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death.
No question, he said.
This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the
previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the
fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the
journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world
according to my poor belief, which, at your desire, I have expressed—
whether rightly or wrongly God knows. But, whether true or false, my
opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of
all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the
universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the
lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and
truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would
act rationally either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.
I agree, he said, as far as I am able to understand you.
Moreover, I said, you must not wonder that those who attain to this
beatific vision are unwilling to descend to human affairs; for their souls are
ever hastening into the upper world where they desire to dwell; which
desire of theirs is very natural, if our allegory may be trusted.
Yes, very natural.
And is there anything surprising in one who passes from divine
contemplations to the evil state of man, misbehaving himself in a ridiculous
manner; if, while his eyes are blinking and before he has become
accustomed to the surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in courts
of law, or in other places, about the images or the shadows of images of
justice, and is endeavouring to meet the conceptions of those who have
never yet seen absolute justice?
Anything but surprising, he replied.
Any one who has common sense will remember that the bewilderments
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out of the light or from going into the light, which is true of the mind’s eye,
quite as much as of the bodily eye; and he who remembers this when he
sees any one whose vision is perplexed and weak, will not be too ready to
laugh; he will first ask whether that soul of man has come out of the
brighter life, and is unable to see because unaccustomed to the dark, or
having turned from darkness to the day is dazzled by excess of light. And he
will count the one happy in his condition and state of being, and he will pity
the other; or, if he have a mind to laugh at the soul which comes from below
into the light, there will be more reason in this than in the laugh which
greets him who returns from above out of the light into the den.
That, he said, is a very just distinction.
But then, if I am right, certain professors of education must be wrong
when they say that they can put a knowledge into the soul which was not
there before, like sight into blind eyes.
They undoubtedly say this, he replied.
Whereas, our argument shows that the power and capacity of learning
exists in the soul already; and that just as the eye was unable to turn from
darkness to light without the whole body, so too the instrument of
knowledge can only by the movement of the whole soul be turned from the
world of becoming into that of being, and learn by degrees to endure the
sight of being, and of the brightest and best of being, or in other words, of
the good.
Very true.
And must there not be some art which will effect conversion in the
easiest and quickest manner; not implanting the faculty of sight, for that
exists already, but has been turned in the wrong direction, and is looking
away from the truth?
Yes, he said, such an art may be presumed.
And whereas the other so-called virtues of the soul seem to be akin to
bodily qualities, for even when they are not originally innate they can be
implanted later by habit and exercise, the virtue of wisdom more than
anything else contains a divine element which always remains, and by this
conversion is rendered useful and profitable; or, on the other hand, hurtful
and useless. Did you never observe the narrow intelligence flashing from
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sees the way to his end; he is the reverse of blind, but his keen eye-sight is
forced into the service of evil, and he is mischievous in proportion to his
cleverness?
Very true, he said.
But what if there had been a circumcision of such natures in the days of
their youth; and they had been severed from those sensual pleasures, such
as eating and drinking, which, like leaden weights, were attached to them at
their birth, and which drag them down and turn the vision of their souls
upon the things that are below—if, I say, they had been released from these
impediments and turned in the opposite direction, the very same faculty in
them would have seen the truth as keenly as they see what their eyes are
turned to now.
Very likely.
Yes, I said; and there is another thing which is likely, or rather a
necessary inference from what has preceded, that neither the uneducated
and uninformed of the truth, nor yet those who never make an end of their
education, will be able ministers of State; not the former, because they have
no single aim of duty which is the rule of all their actions, private as well as
public; nor the latter, because they will not act at all except upon
compulsion, fancying that they are already dwelling apart in the islands of
the blest.
Very true, he replied.
Then, I said, the business of us who are the founders of the State will be
to compel the best minds to attain that knowledge which we have already
shown to be the greatest of all—they must continue to ascend until they
arrive at the good; but when they have ascended and seen enough we must
not allow them to do as they do now.
What do you mean?
I mean that they remain in the upper world: but this must not be allowed;
they must be made to descend again among the prisoners in the den, and
partake of their labours and honours, whether they are worth having or not.
But is not this unjust? he said; ought we to give them a worse life, when
they might have a better?
You have again forgotten, my friend, I said, the intention of the legislator,
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the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the citizens together
by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of the State, and
therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he created them, not to
please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding up the State.
True, he said, I had forgotten.
Observe, Glaucon, that there will be no injustice in compelling our
philosophers to have a care and providence of others; we shall explain to
them that in other States, men of their class are not obliged to share in the
toils of politics: and this is reasonable, for they grow up at their own sweet
will, and the government would rather not have them. Being self-taught,
they cannot be expected to show any gratitude for a culture which they have
never received. But we have brought you into the world to be rulers of the
hive, kings of yourselves and of the other citizens, and have educated you
far better and more perfectly than they have been educated, and you are
better able to share in the double duty. Wherefore each of you, when his
turn comes, must go down to the general underground abode, and get the
habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the habit, you will see
ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the den, and you will know
what the several images are, and what they represent, because you have
seen the beautiful and just and good in their truth. And thus our State, which
is also yours, will be a reality, and not a dream only, and will be
administered in a spirit unlike that of other States, in which men fight with
one another about shadows only and are distracted in the struggle for power,
which in their eyes is a great good. Whereas the truth is that the State in
which the rulers are most reluctant to govern is always the best and most
quietly governed, and the State in which they are most eager, the worst.
Quite true, he replied.
And will our pupils, when they hear this, refuse to take their turn at the
toils of State, when they are allowed to spend the greater part of their time
with one another in the heavenly light?
Impossible, he answered; for they are just men, and the commands which
we impose upon them are just; there can be no doubt that every one of them
will take office as a stern necessity, and not after the fashion of our present
rulers of State.
Yes, my friend, I said; and there lies the point. You must contrive for your
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have a well-ordered State; for only in the State which offers this, will they
rule who are truly rich, not in silver and gold, but in virtue and wisdom,
which are the true blessings of life. Whereas if they go to the administration
of public affairs, poor and hungering after their own private advantage,
thinking that hence they are to snatch the chief good, order there can never
be; for they will be fighting about office, and the civil and domestic broils
which thus arise will be the ruin of the rulers themselves and of the whole
State.
Most true, he replied.
And the only life which looks down upon the life of political ambition is
that of true philosophy. Do you know of any other?
Indeed, I do not, he said.
And those who govern ought not to be lovers of the task? For, if they are,
there will be rival lovers, and they will fight.
No question.
Who then are those whom we shall compel to be guardians? Surely they
will be the men who are wisest about affairs of State, and by whom the
State is best administered, and who at the same time have other honours and
another and a better life than that of politics?
They are the men, and I will choose them, he replied.
And now shall we consider in what way such guardians will be produced,
and how they are to be brought from darkness to light,—as some are said to
have ascended from the world below to the gods?
By all means, he replied.
The process, I said, is not the turning over of an oyster-shell (In allusion
to a game in which two parties fled or pursued according as an oyster-shell
which was thrown into the air fell with the dark or light side uppermost.),
but the turning round of a soul passing from a day which is little better than
night to the true day of being, that is, the ascent from below, which we
affirm to be true philosophy?
Quite so.
And should we not enquire what sort of knowledge has the power of
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What sort of knowledge is there which would draw the soul from
becoming to being? And another consideration has just occurred to me: You
will remember that our young men are to be warrior athletes?
Yes, that was said.
Then this new kind of knowledge must have an additional quality?
What quality?
Usefulness in war.
Yes, if possible.
There were two parts in our former scheme of education, were there not?
Just so.
There was gymnastic which presided over the growth and decay of the
body, and may therefore be regarded as having to do with generation and
corruption?
True.
Then that is not the knowledge which we are seeking to discover?
No.
But what do you say of music, which also entered to a certain extent into
our former scheme?
Music, he said, as you will remember, was the counterpart of gymnastic,
and trained the guardians by the influences of habit, by harmony making
them harmonious, by rhythm rhythmical, but not giving them science; and
the words, whether fabulous or possibly true, had kindred elements of
rhythm and harmony in them. But in music there was nothing which tended
to that good which you are now seeking.
You are most accurate, I said, in your recollection; in music there
certainly was nothing of the kind. But what branch of knowledge is there,
my dear Glaucon, which is of the desired nature; since all the useful arts
were reckoned mean by us?
Undoubtedly; and yet if music and gymnastic are excluded, and the arts
are also excluded, what remains?
Well, I said, there may be nothing left of our special subjects; and then
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What may that be?
A something which all arts and sciences and intelligences use in
common, and which every one first has to learn among the elements of
education.
What is that?
The little matter of distinguishing one, two, and three—in a word,
number and calculation:—do not all arts and sciences necessarily partake of
them?
Yes.
Then the art of war partakes of them?
To be sure.
Then Palamedes, whenever he appears in tragedy, proves Agamemnon
ridiculously unfit to be a general. Did you never remark how he declares
that he had invented number, and had numbered the ships and set in array
the ranks of the army at Troy; which implies that they had never been
numbered before, and Agamemnon must be supposed literally to have been
incapable of counting his own feet—how could he if he was ignorant of
number? And if that is true, what sort of general must he have been?
I should say a very strange one, if this was as you say.
Can we deny that a warrior should have a knowledge of arithmetic?
Certainly he should, if he is to have the smallest understanding of
military tactics, or indeed, I should rather say, if he is to be a man at all.
I should like to know whether you have the same notion which I have of
this study?
What is your notion?
It appears to me to be a study of the kind which we are seeking, and
which leads naturally to reflection, but never to have been rightly used; for
the true use of it is simply to draw the soul towards being.
Will you explain your meaning? he said.
I will try, I said; and I wish you would share the enquiry with me, and say
‘yes’ or ‘no’ when I attempt to distinguish in my own mind what branches
of knowledge have this attracting power, in order that we may have clearer
proof that arithmetic is, as I suspect, one of them.
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I mean to say that objects of sense are of two kinds; some of them do not
invite thought because the sense is an adequate judge of them; while in the
case of other objects sense is so untrustworthy that further enquiry is
imperatively demanded.
You are clearly referring, he said, to the manner in which the senses are
imposed upon by distance, and by painting in light and shade.
No, I said, that is not at all my meaning.
Then what is your meaning?
When speaking of uninviting objects, I mean those which do not pass
from one sensation to the opposite; inviting objects are those which do; in
this latter case the sense coming upon the object, whether at a distance or
near, gives no more vivid idea of anything in particular than of its opposite.
An illustration will make my meaning clearer:—here are three fingers—a
little finger, a second finger, and a middle finger.
Very good.
You may suppose that they are seen quite close: And here comes the
point.
What is it?
Each of them equally appears a finger, whether seen in the middle or at
the extremity, whether white or black, or thick or thin—it makes no
difference; a finger is a finger all the same. In these cases a man is not
compelled to ask of thought the question what is a finger? for the sight
never intimates to the mind that a finger is other than a finger.
True.
And therefore, I said, as we might expect, there is nothing here which
invites or excites intelligence.
There is not, he said.
But is this equally true of the greatness and smallness of the fingers? Can
sight adequately perceive them? and is no difference made by the
circumstance that one of the fingers is in the middle and another at the
extremity? And in like manner does the touch adequately perceive the
qualities of thickness or thinness, of softness or hardness? And so of the
other senses; do they give perfect intimations of such matters? Is not their
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quality of hardness is necessarily concerned also with the quality of
softness, and only intimates to the soul that the same thing is felt to be both
hard and soft?
You are quite right, he said.
And must not the soul be perplexed at this intimation which the sense
gives of a hard which is also soft? What, again, is the meaning of light and
heavy, if that which is light is also heavy, and that which is heavy, light?
Yes, he said, these intimations which the soul receives are very curious
and require to be explained.
Yes, I said, and in these perplexities the soul naturally summons to her
aid calculation and intelligence, that she may see whether the several
objects announced to her are one or two.
True.
And if they turn out to be two, is not each of them one and different?
Certainly.
And if each is one, and both are two, she will conceive the two as in a
state of division, for if there were undivided they could only be conceived
of as one?
True.
The eye certainly did see both small and great, but only in a confused
manner; they were not distinguished.
Yes.
Whereas the thinking mind, intending to light up the chaos, was
compelled to reverse the process, and look at small and great as separate
and not confused.
Very true.
Was not this the beginning of the enquiry ‘What is great?’ and ‘What is
small?’
Exactly so.
And thus arose the distinction of the visible and the intelligible.
Most true.
This was what I meant when I spoke of impressions which invited the
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impressions, invite thought; those which are not simultaneous do not.
I understand, he said, and agree with you.
And to which class do unity and number belong?
I do not know, he replied.
Think a little and you will see that what has preceded will supply the
answer; for if simple unity could be adequately perceived by the sight or by
any other sense, then, as we were saying in the case of the finger, there
would be nothing to attract towards being; but when there is some
contradiction always present, and one is the reverse of one and involves the
conception of plurality, then thought begins to be aroused within us, and the
soul perplexed and wanting to arrive at a decision asks ‘What is absolute
unity?’ This is the way in which the study of the one has a power of
drawing and converting the mind to the contemplation of true being.
And surely, he said, this occurs notably in the case of one; for we see the
same thing to be both one and infinite in multitude?
Yes, I said; and this being true of one must be equally true of all number?
Certainly.
And all arithmetic and calculation have to do with number?
Yes.
And they appear to lead the mind towards truth?
Yes, in a very remarkable manner.
Then this is knowledge of the kind for which we are seeking, having a
double use, military and philosophical; for the man of war must learn the art
of number or he will not know how to array his troops, and the philosopher
also, because he has to rise out of the sea of change and lay hold of true
being, and therefore he must be an arithmetician.
That is true.
And our guardian is both warrior and philosopher?
Certainly.
Then this is a kind of knowledge which legislation may fitly prescribe;
and we must endeavour to persuade those who are to be the principal men
of our State to go and learn arithmetic, not as amateurs, but they must carry
on the study until they see the nature of numbers with the mind only; nor
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for the sake of their military use, and of the soul herself; and because this
will be the easiest way for her to pass from becoming to truth and being.
That is excellent, he said.
Yes, I said, and now having spoken of it, I must add how charming the
science is! and in how many ways it conduces to our desired end, if pursued
in the spirit of a philosopher, and not of a shopkeeper!
How do you mean?
I mean, as I was saying, that arithmetic has a very great and elevating
effect, compelling the soul to reason about abstract number, and rebelling
against the introduction of visible or tangible objects into the argument. You
know how steadily the masters of the art repel and ridicule any one who
attempts to divide absolute unity when he is calculating, and if you divide,
they multiply (Meaning either (1) that they integrate the number because
they deny the possibility of fractions; or (2) that division is regarded by
them as a process of multiplication, for the fractions of one continue to be
units.), taking care that one shall continue one and not become lost in
fractions.
That is very true.
Now, suppose a person were to say to them: O my friends, what are these
wonderful numbers about which you are reasoning, in which, as you say,
there is a unity such as you demand, and each unit is equal, invariable,
indivisible,—what would they answer?
They would answer, as I should conceive, that they were speaking of
those numbers which can only be realized in thought.
Then you see that this knowledge may be truly called necessary,
necessitating as it clearly does the use of the pure intelligence in the
attainment of pure truth?
Yes; that is a marked characteristic of it.
And have you further observed, that those who have a natural talent for
calculation are generally quick at every other kind of knowledge; and even
the dull, if they have had an arithmetical training, although they may derive
no other advantage from it, always become much quicker than they would
otherwise have been.
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And indeed, you will not easily find a more difficult study, and not many
as difficult.
You will not.
And, for all these reasons, arithmetic is a kind of knowledge in which the
best natures should be trained, and which must not be given up.
I agree.
Let this then be made one of our subjects of education. And next, shall
we enquire whether the kindred science also concerns us?
You mean geometry?
Exactly so.
Clearly, he said, we are concerned with that part of geometry which
relates to war; for in pitching a camp, or taking up a position, or closing or
extending the lines of an army, or any other military manoeuvre, whether in
actual battle or on a march, it will make all the difference whether a general
is or is not a geometrician.
Yes, I said, but for that purpose a very little of either geometry or
calculation will be enough; the question relates rather to the greater and
more advanced part of geometry—whether that tends in any degree to make
more easy the vision of the idea of good; and thither, as I was saying, all
things tend which compel the soul to turn her gaze towards that place,
where is the full perfection of being, which she ought, by all means, to
behold.
True, he said.
Then if geometry compels us to view being, it concerns us; if becoming
only, it does not concern us?
Yes, that is what we assert.
Yet anybody who has the least acquaintance with geometry will not deny
that such a conception of the science is in flat contradiction to the ordinary
language of geometricians.
How so?
They have in view practice only, and are always speaking, in a narrow
and ridiculous manner, of squaring and extending and applying and the like
—they confuse the necessities of geometry with those of daily life; whereas
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Certainly, he said.
Then must not a further admission be made?
What admission?
That the knowledge at which geometry aims is knowledge of the eternal,
and not of aught perishing and transient.
That, he replied, may be readily allowed, and is true.
Then, my noble friend, geometry will draw the soul towards truth, and
create the spirit of philosophy, and raise up that which is now unhappily
allowed to fall down.
Nothing will be more likely to have such an effect.
Then nothing should be more sternly laid down than that the inhabitants
of your fair city should by all means learn geometry. Moreover the science
has indirect effects, which are not small.
Of what kind? he said.
There are the military advantages of which you spoke, I said; and in all
departments of knowledge, as experience proves, any one who has studied
geometry is infinitely quicker of apprehension than one who has not.
Yes indeed, he said, there is an infinite difference between them.
Then shall we propose this as a second branch of knowledge which our
youth will study?
Let us do so, he replied.
And suppose we make astronomy the third—what do you say?
I am strongly inclined to it, he said; the observation of the seasons and of
months and years is as essential to the general as it is to the farmer or sailor.
I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard
against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies; and I quite admit
the difficulty of believing that in every man there is an eye of the soul
which, when by other pursuits lost and dimmed, is by these purified and re-
illumined; and is more precious far than ten thousand bodily eyes, for by it
alone is truth seen. Now there are two classes of persons: one class of those
who will agree with you and will take your words as a revelation; another
class to whom they will be utterly unmeaning, and who will naturally deem
them to be idle tales, for they see no sort of profit which is to be obtained
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two you are proposing to argue. You will very likely say with neither, and
that your chief aim in carrying on the argument is your own improvement;
at the same time you do not grudge to others any benefit which they may
receive.
I think that I should prefer to carry on the argument mainly on my own
behalf.
Then take a step backward, for we have gone wrong in the order of the
sciences.
What was the mistake? he said.
After plane geometry, I said, we proceeded at once to solids in
revolution, instead of taking solids in themselves; whereas after the second
dimension the third, which is concerned with cubes and dimensions of
depth, ought to have followed.
That is true, Socrates; but so little seems to be known as yet about these
subjects.
Why, yes, I said, and for two reasons:—in the first place, no government
patronises them; this leads to a want of energy in the pursuit of them, and
they are difficult; in the second place, students cannot learn them unless
they have a director. But then a director can hardly be found, and even if he
could, as matters now stand, the students, who are very conceited, would
not attend to him. That, however, would be otherwise if the whole State
became the director of these studies and gave honour to them; then disciples
would want to come, and there would be continuous and earnest search, and
discoveries would be made; since even now, disregarded as they are by the
world, and maimed of their fair proportions, and although none of their
votaries can tell the use of them, still these studies force their way by their
natural charm, and very likely, if they had the help of the State, they would
some day emerge into light.
Yes, he said, there is a remarkable charm in them. But I do not clearly
understand the change in the order. First you began with a geometry of
plane surfaces?
Yes, I said.
And you placed astronomy next, and then you made a step backward?
Yes, and I have delayed you by my hurry; the ludicrous state of solid
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this branch and go on to astronomy, or motion of solids.
True, he said.
Then assuming that the science now omitted would come into existence
if encouraged by the State, let us go on to astronomy, which will be fourth.
The right order, he replied. And now, Socrates, as you rebuked the vulgar
manner in which I praised astronomy before, my praise shall be given in
your own spirit. For every one, as I think, must see that astronomy compels
the soul to look upwards and leads us from this world to another.
Every one but myself, I said; to every one else this may be clear, but not
to me.
And what then would you say?
I should rather say that those who elevate astronomy into philosophy
appear to me to make us look downwards and not upwards.
What do you mean? he asked.
You, I replied, have in your mind a truly sublime conception of our
knowledge of the things above. And I dare say that if a person were to
throw his head back and study the fretted ceiling, you would still think that
his mind was the percipient, and not his eyes. And you are very likely right,
and I may be a simpleton: but, in my opinion, that knowledge only which is
of being and of the unseen can make the soul look upwards, and whether a
man gapes at the heavens or blinks on the ground, seeking to learn some
particular of sense, I would deny that he can learn, for nothing of that sort is
matter of science; his soul is looking downwards, not upwards, whether his
way to knowledge is by water or by land, whether he floats, or only lies on
his back.
I acknowledge, he said, the justice of your rebuke. Still, I should like to
ascertain how astronomy can be learned in any manner more conducive to
that knowledge of which we are speaking?
I will tell you, I said: The starry heaven which we behold is wrought
upon a visible ground, and therefore, although the fairest and most perfect
of visible things, must necessarily be deemed inferior far to the true motions
of absolute swiftness and absolute slowness, which are relative to each
other, and carry with them that which is contained in them, in the true
number and in every true figure. Now, these are to be apprehended by
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True, he replied.
The spangled heavens should be used as a pattern and with a view to that
higher knowledge; their beauty is like the beauty of figures or pictures
excellently wrought by the hand of Daedalus, or some other great artist,
which we may chance to behold; any geometrician who saw them would
appreciate the exquisiteness of their workmanship, but he would never
dream of thinking that in them he could find the true equal or the true
double, or the truth of any other proportion.
No, he replied, such an idea would be ridiculous.
And will not a true astronomer have the same feeling when he looks at
the movements of the stars? Will he not think that heaven and the things in
heaven are framed by the Creator of them in the most perfect manner? But
he will never imagine that the proportions of night and day, or of both to the
month, or of the month to the year, or of the stars to these and to one
another, and any other things that are material and visible can also be
eternal and subject to no deviation—that would be absurd; and it is equally
absurd to take so much pains in investigating their exact truth.
I quite agree, though I never thought of this before.
Then, I said, in astronomy, as in geometry, we should employ problems,
and let the heavens alone if we would approach the subject in the right way
and so make the natural gift of reason to be of any real use.
That, he said, is a work infinitely beyond our present astronomers.
Yes, I said; and there are many other things which must also have a
similar extension given to them, if our legislation is to be of any value. But
can you tell me of any other suitable study?
No, he said, not without thinking.
Motion, I said, has many forms, and not one only; two of them are
obvious enough even to wits no better than ours; and there are others, as I
imagine, which may be left to wiser persons.
But where are the two?
There is a second, I said, which is the counterpart of the one already
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The second, I said, would seem relatively to the ears to be what the first
is to the eyes; for I conceive that as the eyes are designed to look up at the
stars, so are the ears to hear harmonious motions; and these are sister
sciences—as the Pythagoreans say, and we, Glaucon, agree with them?
Yes, he replied.
But this, I said, is a laborious study, and therefore we had better go and
learn of them; and they will tell us whether there are any other applications
of these sciences. At the same time, we must not lose sight of our own
higher object.
What is that?
There is a perfection which all knowledge ought to reach, and which our
pupils ought also to attain, and not to fall short of, as I was saying that they
did in astronomy. For in the science of harmony, as you probably know, the
same thing happens. The teachers of harmony compare the sounds and
consonances which are heard only, and their labour, like that of the
astronomers, is in vain.
Yes, by heaven! he said; and ’tis as good as a play to hear them talking
about their condensed notes, as they call them; they put their ears close
alongside of the strings like persons catching a sound from their
neighbour’s wall—one set of them declaring that they distinguish an
intermediate note and have found the least interval which should be the unit
of measurement; the others insisting that the two sounds have passed into
the same—either party setting their ears before their understanding.
You mean, I said, those gentlemen who tease and torture the strings and
rack them on the pegs of the instrument: I might carry on the metaphor and
speak after their manner of the blows which the plectrum gives, and make
accusations against the strings, both of backwardness and forwardness to
sound; but this would be tedious, and therefore I will only say that these are
not the men, and that I am referring to the Pythagoreans, of whom I was just
now proposing to enquire about harmony. For they too are in error, like the
astronomers; they investigate the numbers of the harmonies which are
heard, but they never attain to problems—that is to say, they never reach the
natural harmonies of number, or reflect why some numbers are harmonious
and others not.
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A thing, I replied, which I would rather call useful; that is, if sought after
with a view to the beautiful and good; but if pursued in any other spirit,
useless.
Very true, he said.
Now, when all these studies reach the point of inter-communion and
connection with one another, and come to be considered in their mutual
affinities, then, I think, but not till then, will the pursuit of them have a
value for our objects; otherwise there is no profit in them.
I suspect so; but you are speaking, Socrates, of a vast work.
What do you mean? I said; the prelude or what? Do you not know that all
this is but the prelude to the actual strain which we have to learn? For you
surely would not regard the skilled mathematician as a dialectician?
Assuredly not, he said; I have hardly ever known a mathematician who
was capable of reasoning.
But do you imagine that men who are unable to give and take a reason
will have the knowledge which we require of them?
Neither can this be supposed.
And so, Glaucon, I said, we have at last arrived at the hymn of dialectic.
This is that strain which is of the intellect only, but which the faculty of
sight will nevertheless be found to imitate; for sight, as you may remember,
was imagined by us after a while to behold the real animals and stars, and
last of all the sun himself. And so with dialectic; when a person starts on the
discovery of the absolute by the light of reason only, and without any
assistance of sense, and perseveres until by pure intelligence he arrives at
the perception of the absolute good, he at last finds himself at the end of the
intellectual world, as in the case of sight at the end of the visible.
Exactly, he said.
Then this is the progress which you call dialectic?
True.
But the release of the prisoners from chains, and their translation from
the shadows to the images and to the light, and the ascent from the
underground den to the sun, while in his presence they are vainly trying to
look on animals and plants and the light of the sun, but are able to perceive
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are the shadows of true existence (not shadows of images cast by a light of
fire, which compared with the sun is only an image)—this power of
elevating the highest principle in the soul to the contemplation of that which
is best in existence, with which we may compare the raising of that faculty
which is the very light of the body to the sight of that which is brightest in
the material and visible world—this power is given, as I was saying, by all
that study and pursuit of the arts which has been described.
I agree in what you are saying, he replied, which may be hard to believe,
yet, from another point of view, is harder still to deny. This, however, is not
a theme to be treated of in passing only, but will have to be discussed again
and again. And so, whether our conclusion be true or false, let us assume all
this, and proceed at once from the prelude or preamble to the chief strain (A
play upon the Greek word, which means both ‘law’ and ‘strain.’), and
describe that in like manner. Say, then, what is the nature and what are the
divisions of dialectic, and what are the paths which lead thither; for these
paths will also lead to our final rest.
Dear Glaucon, I said, you will not be able to follow me here, though I
would do my best, and you should behold not an image only but the
absolute truth, according to my notion. Whether what I told you would or
would not have been a reality I cannot venture to say; but you would have
seen something like reality; of that I am confident.
Doubtless, he replied.
But I must also remind you, that the power of dialectic alone can reveal
this, and only to one who is a disciple of the previous sciences.
Of that assertion you may be as confident as of the last.
And assuredly no one will argue that there is any other method of
comprehending by any regular process all true existence or of ascertaining
what each thing is in its own nature; for the arts in general are concerned
with the desires or opinions of men, or are cultivated with a view to
production and construction, or for the preservation of such productions and
constructions; and as to the mathematical sciences which, as we were
saying, have some apprehension of true being—geometry and the like—
they only dream about being, but never can they behold the waking reality
so long as they leave the hypotheses which they use unexamined, and are
unable to give an account of them. For when a man knows not his own first
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constructed out of he knows not what, how can he imagine that such a
fabric of convention can ever become science?
Impossible, he said.
Then dialectic, and dialectic alone, goes directly to the first principle and
is the only science which does away with hypotheses in order to make her
ground secure; the eye of the soul, which is literally buried in an outlandish
slough, is by her gentle aid lifted upwards; and she uses as handmaids and
helpers in the work of conversion, the sciences which we have been
discussing. Custom terms them sciences, but they ought to have some other
name, implying greater clearness than opinion and less clearness than
science: and this, in our previous sketch, was called understanding. But why
should we dispute about names when we have realities of such importance
to consider?
Why indeed, he said, when any name will do which expresses the
thought of the mind with clearness?
At any rate, we are satisfied, as before, to have four divisions; two for
intellect and two for opinion, and to call the first division science, the
second understanding, the third belief, and the fourth perception of
shadows, opinion being concerned with becoming, and intellect with being;
and so to make a proportion:—
As being is to becoming, so is pure intellect to opinion. And as intellect is
to opinion, so is science to belief, and understanding to the perception of
shadows.
But let us defer the further correlation and subdivision of the subjects of
opinion and of intellect, for it will be a long enquiry, many times longer
than this has been.
As far as I understand, he said, I agree.
And do you also agree, I said, in describing the dialectician as one who
attains a conception of the essence of each thing? And he who does not
possess and is therefore unable to impart this conception, in whatever
degree he fails, may in that degree also be said to fail in intelligence? Will
you admit so much?
Yes, he said; how can I deny it?
And you would say the same of the conception of the good? Until the
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he can run the gauntlet of all objections, and is ready to disprove them, not
by appeals to opinion, but to absolute truth, never faltering at any step of
the argument—unless he can do all this, you would say that he knows
neither the idea of good nor any other good; he apprehends only a shadow,
if anything at all, which is given by opinion and not by science;—dreaming
and slumbering in this life, before he is well awake here, he arrives at the
world below, and has his final quietus.
In all that I should most certainly agree with you.
And surely you would not have the children of your ideal State, whom
you are nurturing and educating—if the ideal ever becomes a reality—you
would not allow the future rulers to be like posts (Literally ‘lines,’ probably
the starting-point of a race-course.), having no reason in them, and yet to be
set in authority over the highest matters?
Certainly not.
Then you will make a law that they shall have such an education as will
enable them to attain the greatest skill in asking and answering questions?
Yes, he said, you and I together will make it.
Dialectic, then, as you will agree, is the coping-stone of the sciences, and
is set over them; no other science can be placed higher—the nature of
knowledge can no further go?
I agree, he said.
But to whom we are to assign these studies, and in what way they are to
be assigned, are questions which remain to be considered.
Yes, clearly.
You remember, I said, how the rulers were chosen before?
Certainly, he said.
The same natures must still be chosen, and the preference again given to
the surest and the bravest, and, if possible, to the fairest; and, having noble
and generous tempers, they should also have the natural gifts which will
facilitate their education.
And what are these?
Such gifts as keenness and ready powers of acquisition; for the mind
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gymnastics: the toil is more entirely the mind’s own, and is not shared with
the body.
Very true, he replied.
Further, he of whom we are in search should have a good memory, and
be an unwearied solid man who is a lover of labour in any line; or he will
never be able to endure the great amount of bodily exercise and to go
through all the intellectual discipline and study which we require of him.
Certainly, he said; he must have natural gifts.
The mistake at present is, that those who study philosophy have no
vocation, and this, as I was before saying, is the reason why she has fallen
into disrepute: her true sons should take her by the hand and not bastards.
What do you mean?
In the first place, her votary should not have a lame or halting industry—
I mean, that he should not be half industrious and half idle: as, for example,
when a man is a lover of gymnastic and hunting, and all other bodily
exercises, but a hater rather than a lover of the labour of learning or
listening or enquiring. Or the occupation to which he devotes himself may
be of an opposite kind, and he may have the other sort of lameness.
Certainly, he said.
And as to truth, I said, is not a soul equally to be deemed halt and lame
which hates voluntary falsehood and is extremely indignant at herself and
others when they tell lies, but is patient of involuntary falsehood, and does
not mind wallowing like a swinish beast in the mire of ignorance, and has
no shame at being detected?
To be sure.
And, again, in respect of temperance, courage, magnificence, and every
other virtue, should we not carefully distinguish between the true son and
the bastard? for where there is no discernment of such qualities states and
individuals unconsciously err; and the state makes a ruler, and the
individual a friend, of one who, being defective in some part of virtue, is in
a figure lame or a bastard.
That is very true, he said.
All these things, then, will have to be carefully considered by us; and if
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are sound in body and mind, justice herself will have nothing to say against
us, and we shall be the saviours of the constitution and of the State; but, if
our pupils are men of another stamp, the reverse will happen, and we shall
pour a still greater flood of ridicule on philosophy than she has to endure at
present.
That would not be creditable.
Certainly not, I said; and yet perhaps, in thus turning jest into earnest I
am equally ridiculous.
In what respect?
I had forgotten, I said, that we were not serious, and spoke with too much
excitement. For when I saw philosophy so undeservedly trampled under
foot of men I could not help feeling a sort of indignation at the authors of
her disgrace: and my anger made me too vehement.
Indeed! I was listening, and did not think so.
But I, who am the speaker, felt that I was. And now let me remind you
that, although in our former selection we chose old men, we must not do so
in this. Solon was under a delusion when he said that a man when he grows
old may learn many things—for he can no more learn much than he can run
much; youth is the time for any extraordinary toil.
Of course.
And, therefore, calculation and geometry and all the other elements of
instruction, which are a preparation for dialectic, should be presented to the
mind in childhood; not, however, under any notion of forcing our system of
education.
Why not?
Because a freeman ought not to be a slave in the acquisition of
knowledge of any kind. Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to
the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no
hold on the mind.
Very true.
Then, my good friend, I said, do not use compulsion, but let early
education be a sort of amusement; you will then be better able to find out
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Do you remember that the children, too, were to be taken to see the battle
on horseback; and that if there were no danger they were to be brought
close up and, like young hounds, have a taste of blood given them?
Yes, I remember.
The same practice may be followed, I said, in all these things—labours,
lessons, dangers—and he who is most at home in all of them ought to be
enrolled in a select number.
At what age?
At the age when the necessary gymnastics are over: the period whether of
two or three years which passes in this sort of training is useless for any
other purpose; for sleep and exercise are unpropitious to learning; and the
trial of who is first in gymnastic exercises is one of the most important tests
to which our youth are subjected.
Certainly, he replied.
After that time those who are selected from the class of twenty years old
will be promoted to higher honour, and the sciences which they learned
without any order in their early education will now be brought together, and
they will be able to see the natural relationship of them to one another and
to true being.
Yes, he said, that is the only kind of knowledge which takes lasting root.
Yes, I said; and the capacity for such knowledge is the great criterion of
dialectical talent: the comprehensive mind is always the dialectical.
I agree with you, he said.
These, I said, are the points which you must consider; and those who
have most of this comprehension, and who are most steadfast in their
learning, and in their military and other appointed duties, when they have
arrived at the age of thirty have to be chosen by you out of the select class,
and elevated to higher honour; and you will have to prove them by the help
of dialectic, in order to learn which of them is able to give up the use of
sight and the other senses, and in company with truth to attain absolute
being: And here, my friend, great caution is required.
Why great caution?
Do you not remark, I said, how great is the evil which dialectic has
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What evil? he said.
The students of the art are filled with lawlessness.
Quite true, he said.
Do you think that there is anything so very unnatural or inexcusable in
their case? or will you make allowance for them?
In what way make allowance?
I want you, I said, by way of parallel, to imagine a supposititious son
who is brought up in great wealth; he is one of a great and numerous family,
and has many flatterers. When he grows up to manhood, he learns that his
alleged are not his real parents; but who the real are he is unable to
discover. Can you guess how he will be likely to behave towards his
flatterers and his supposed parents, first of all during the period when he is
ignorant of the false relation, and then again when he knows? Or shall I
guess for you?
If you please.
Then I should say, that while he is ignorant of the truth he will be likely
to honour his father and his mother and his supposed relations more than
the flatterers; he will be less inclined to neglect them when in need, or to do
or say anything against them; and he will be less willing to disobey them in
any important matter.
He will.
But when he has made the discovery, I should imagine that he would
diminish his honour and regard for them, and would become more devoted
to the flatterers; their influence over him would greatly increase; he would
now live after their ways, and openly associate with them, and, unless he
were of an unusually good disposition, he would trouble himself no more
about his supposed parents or other relations.
Well, all that is very probable. But how is the image applicable to the
disciples of philosophy?
In this way: you know that there are certain principles about justice and
honour, which were taught us in childhood, and under their parental
authority we have been brought up, obeying and honouring them.
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There are also opposite maxims and habits of pleasure which flatter and
attract the soul, but do not influence those of us who have any sense of
right, and they continue to obey and honour the maxims of their fathers.
True.
Now, when a man is in this state, and the questioning spirit asks what is
fair or honourable, and he answers as the legislator has taught him, and then
arguments many and diverse refute his words, until he is driven into
believing that nothing is honourable any more than dishonourable, or just
and good any more than the reverse, and so of all the notions which he most
valued, do you think that he will still honour and obey them as before?
Impossible.
And when he ceases to think them honourable and natural as heretofore,
and he fails to discover the true, can he be expected to pursue any life other
than that which flatters his desires?
He cannot.
And from being a keeper of the law he is converted into a breaker of it?
Unquestionably.
Now all this is very natural in students of philosophy such as I have
described, and also, as I was just now saying, most excusable.
Yes, he said; and, I may add, pitiable.
Therefore, that your feelings may not be moved to pity about our citizens
who are now thirty years of age, every care must be taken in introducing
them to dialectic.
Certainly.
There is a danger lest they should taste the dear delight too early; for
youngsters, as you may have observed, when they first get the taste in their
mouths, argue for amusement, and are always contradicting and refuting
others in imitation of those who refute them; like puppy-dogs, they rejoice
in pulling and tearing at all who come near them.
Yes, he said, there is nothing which they like better.
And when they have made many conquests and received defeats at the
hands of many, they violently and speedily get into a way of not believing
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philosophy and all that relates to it is apt to have a bad name with the rest of
the world.
Too true, he said.
But when a man begins to get older, he will no longer be guilty of such
insanity; he will imitate the dialectician who is seeking for truth, and not the
eristic, who is contradicting for the sake of amusement; and the greater
moderation of his character will increase instead of diminishing the honour
of the pursuit.
Very true, he said.
And did we not make special provision for this, when we said that the
disciples of philosophy were to be orderly and steadfast, not, as now, any
chance aspirant or intruder?
Very true.
Suppose, I said, the study of philosophy to take the place of gymnastics
and to be continued diligently and earnestly and exclusively for twice the
number of years which were passed in bodily exercise—will that be
enough?
Would you say six or four years? he asked.
Say five years, I replied; at the end of the time they must be sent down
again into the den and compelled to hold any military or other office which
young men are qualified to hold: in this way they will get their experience
of life, and there will be an opportunity of trying whether, when they are
drawn all manner of ways by temptation, they will stand firm or flinch.
And how long is this stage of their lives to last?
Fifteen years, I answered; and when they have reached fifty years of age,
then let those who still survive and have distinguished themselves in every
action of their lives and in every branch of knowledge come at last to their
consummation: the time has now arrived at which they must raise the eye of
the soul to the universal light which lightens all things, and behold the
absolute good; for that is the pattern according to which they are to order
the State and the lives of individuals, and the remainder of their own lives
also; making philosophy their chief pursuit, but, when their turn comes,
toiling also at politics and ruling for the public good, not as though they
were performing some heroic action, but simply as a matter of duty; and
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left them in their place to be governors of the State, then they will depart to
the Islands of the Blest and dwell there; and the city will give them public
memorials and sacrifices and honour them, if the Pythian oracle consent, as
demigods, but if not, as in any case blessed and divine.
You are a sculptor, Socrates, and have made statues of our governors
faultless in beauty.
Yes, I said, Glaucon, and of our governesses too; for you must not
suppose that what I have been saying applies to men only and not to women
as far as their natures can go.
There you are right, he said, since we have made them to share in all
things like the men.
Well, I said, and you would agree (would you not?) that what has been
said about the State and the government is not a mere dream, and although
difficult not impossible, but only possible in the way which has been
supposed; that is to say, when the true philosopher kings are born in a State,
one or more of them, despising the honours of this present world which
they deem mean and worthless, esteeming above all things right and the
honour that springs from right, and regarding justice as the greatest and
most necessary of all things, whose ministers they are, and whose principles
will be exalted by them when they set in order their own city?
How will they proceed?
They will begin by sending out into the country all the inhabitants of the
city who are more than ten years old, and will take possession of their
children, who will be unaffected by the habits of their parents; these they
will train in their own habits and laws, I mean in the laws which we have
given them: and in this way the State and constitution of which we were
speaking will soonest and most easily attain happiness, and the nation
which has such a constitution will gain most.
Yes, that will be the best way. And I think, Socrates, that you have very
well described how, if ever, such a constitution might come into being.
Enough then of the perfect State, and of the man who bears its image—
there is no difficulty in seeing how we shall describe him.
There is no difficulty, he replied; and I agree with you in thinking that
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BOOK VIII.

And so, Glaucon, we have arrived at the conclusion that in the perfect
State wives and children are to be in common; and that all education and
the pursuits of war and peace are also to be common, and the best
philosophers and the bravest warriors are to be their kings?
That, replied Glaucon, has been acknowledged.
Yes, I said; and we have further acknowledged that the governors, when
appointed themselves, will take their soldiers and place them in houses such
as we were describing, which are common to all, and contain nothing
private, or individual; and about their property, you remember what we
agreed?
Yes, I remember that no one was to have any of the ordinary possessions
of mankind; they were to be warrior athletes and guardians, receiving from
the other citizens, in lieu of annual payment, only their maintenance, and
they were to take care of themselves and of the whole State.
True, I said; and now that this division of our task is concluded, let us
find the point at which we digressed, that we may return into the old path.
There is no difficulty in returning; you implied, then as now, that you had
finished the description of the State: you said that such a State was good,
and that the man was good who answered to it, although, as now appears,
you had more excellent things to relate both of State and man. And you said
further, that if this was the true form, then the others were false; and of the
false forms, you said, as I remember, that there were four principal ones,
and that their defects, and the defects of the individuals corresponding to
them, were worth examining. When we had seen all the individuals, and
finally agreed as to who was the best and who was the worst of them, we
were to consider whether the best was not also the happiest, and the worst
the most miserable. I asked you what were the four forms of government of
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and you began again, and have found your way to the point at which we
have now arrived.
Your recollection, I said, is most exact.
Then, like a wrestler, he replied, you must put yourself again in the same
position; and let me ask the same questions, and do you give me the same
answer which you were about to give me then.
Yes, if I can, I will, I said.
I shall particularly wish to hear what were the four constitutions of which
you were speaking.
That question, I said, is easily answered: the four governments of which I
spoke, so far as they have distinct names, are, first, those of Crete and
Sparta, which are generally applauded; what is termed oligarchy comes
next; this is not equally approved, and is a form of government which teems
with evils: thirdly, democracy, which naturally follows oligarchy, although
very different: and lastly comes tyranny, great and famous, which differs
from them all, and is the fourth and worst disorder of a State. I do not know,
do you? of any other constitution which can be said to have a distinct
character. There are lordships and principalities which are bought and sold,
and some other intermediate forms of government. But these are
nondescripts and may be found equally among Hellenes and among
barbarians.
Yes, he replied, we certainly hear of many curious forms of government
which exist among them.
Do you know, I said, that governments vary as the dispositions of men
vary, and that there must be as many of the one as there are of the other?
For we cannot suppose that States are made of ‘oak and rock,’ and not out
of the human natures which are in them, and which in a figure turn the scale
and draw other things after them?
Yes, he said, the States are as the men are; they grow out of human
characters.
Then if the constitutions of States are five, the dispositions of individual
minds will also be five?
Certainly.
Him who answers to aristocracy, and whom we rightly call just and good,
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We have.
Then let us now proceed to describe the inferior sort of natures, being the
contentious and ambitious, who answer to the Spartan polity; also the
oligarchical, democratical, and tyrannical. Let us place the most just by the
side of the most unjust, and when we see them we shall be able to compare
the relative happiness or unhappiness of him who leads a life of pure justice
or pure injustice. The enquiry will then be completed. And we shall know
whether we ought to pursue injustice, as Thrasymachus advises, or in
accordance with the conclusions of the argument to prefer justice.
Certainly, he replied, we must do as you say.
Shall we follow our old plan, which we adopted with a view to clearness,
of taking the State first and then proceeding to the individual, and begin
with the government of honour?—I know of no name for such a
government other than timocracy, or perhaps timarchy. We will compare
with this the like character in the individual; and, after that, consider
oligarchy and the oligarchical man; and then again we will turn our
attention to democracy and the democratical man; and lastly, we will go and
view the city of tyranny, and once more take a look into the tyrant’s soul,
and try to arrive at a satisfactory decision.
That way of viewing and judging of the matter will be very suitable.
First, then, I said, let us enquire how timocracy (the government of
honour) arises out of aristocracy (the government of the best). Clearly, all
political changes originate in divisions of the actual governing power; a
government which is united, however small, cannot be moved.
Very true, he said.
In what way, then, will our city be moved, and in what manner will the
two classes of auxiliaries and rulers disagree among themselves or with one
another? Shall we, after the manner of Homer, pray the Muses to tell us
‘how discord first arose’? Shall we imagine them in solemn mockery, to
play and jest with us as if we were children, and to address us in a lofty
tragic vein, making believe to be in earnest?
How would they address us?
After this manner:—A city which is thus constituted can hardly be
shaken; but, seeing that everything which has a beginning has also an end,
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dissolved. And this is the dissolution:—In plants that grow in the earth, as
well as in animals that move on the earth’s surface, fertility and sterility of
soul and body occur when the circumferences of the circles of each are
completed, which in short-lived existences pass over a short space, and in
long-lived ones over a long space. But to the knowledge of human
fecundity and sterility all the wisdom and education of your rulers will not
attain; the laws which regulate them will not be discovered by an
intelligence which is alloyed with sense, but will escape them, and they will
bring children into the world when they ought not. Now that which is of
divine birth has a period which is contained in a perfect number (i.e. a
cyclical number, such as 6, which is equal to the sum of its divisors 1, 2, 3,
so that when the circle or time represented by 6 is completed, the lesser
times or rotations represented by 1, 2, 3 are also completed.), but the period
of human birth is comprehended in a number in which first increments by
involution and evolution (or squared and cubed) obtaining three intervals
and four terms of like and unlike, waxing and waning numbers, make all the
terms commensurable and agreeable to one another. (Probably the numbers
3, 4, 5, 6 of which the three first = the sides of the Pythagorean triangle.
The terms will then be 3 cubed, 4 cubed, 5 cubed, which together = 6 cubed
= 216.) The base of these (3) with a third added (4) when combined with
five (20) and raised to the third power furnishes two harmonies; the first a
square which is a hundred times as great (400 = 4 x 100) (Or the first a
square which is 100 x 100 = 10,000. The whole number will then be 17,500
= a square of 100, and an oblong of 100 by 75.), and the other a figure
having one side equal to the former, but oblong, consisting of a hundred
numbers squared upon rational diameters of a square (i.e. omitting
fractions), the side of which is five (7 x 7 = 49 x 100 = 4900), each of them
being less by one (than the perfect square which includes the fractions, sc.
50) or less by (Or, ‘consisting of two numbers squared upon irrational
diameters,’ etc. = 100. For other explanations of the passage see
Introduction.) two perfect squares of irrational diameters (of a square the
side of which is five = 50 + 50 = 100); and a hundred cubes of three (27 x
100 = 2700 + 4900 + 400 = 8000). Now this number represents a
geometrical figure which has control over the good and evil of births. For
when your guardians are ignorant of the law of births, and unite bride and
bridegroom out of season, the children will not be goodly or fortunate. And
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they will be unworthy to hold their fathers’ places, and when they come into
power as guardians, they will soon be found to fail in taking care of us, the
Muses, first by under-valuing music; which neglect will soon extend to
gymnastic; and hence the young men of your State will be less cultivated.
In the succeeding generation rulers will be appointed who have lost the
guardian power of testing the metal of your different races, which, like
Hesiod’s, are of gold and silver and brass and iron. And so iron will be
mingled with silver, and brass with gold, and hence there will arise
dissimilarity and inequality and irregularity, which always and in all places
are causes of hatred and war. This the Muses affirm to be the stock from
which discord has sprung, wherever arising; and this is their answer to us.
Yes, and we may assume that they answer truly.
Why, yes, I said, of course they answer truly; how can the Muses speak
falsely?
And what do the Muses say next?
When discord arose, then the two races were drawn different ways: the
iron and brass fell to acquiring money and land and houses and gold and
silver; but the gold and silver races, not wanting money but having the true
riches in their own nature, inclined towards virtue and the ancient order of
things. There was a battle between them, and at last they agreed to
distribute their land and houses among individual owners; and they
enslaved their friends and maintainers, whom they had formerly protected
in the condition of freemen, and made of them subjects and servants; and
they themselves were engaged in war and in keeping a watch against them.
I believe that you have rightly conceived the origin of the change.
And the new government which thus arises will be of a form intermediate
between oligarchy and aristocracy?
Very true.
Such will be the change, and after the change has been made, how will
they proceed? Clearly, the new State, being in a mean between oligarchy
and the perfect State, will partly follow one and partly the other, and will
also have some peculiarities.
True, he said.
In the honour given to rulers, in the abstinence of the warrior class from
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meals, and in the attention paid to gymnastics and military training—in all
these respects this State will resemble the former.
True.
But in the fear of admitting philosophers to power, because they are no
longer to be had simple and earnest, but are made up of mixed elements;
and in turning from them to passionate and less complex characters, who
are by nature fitted for war rather than peace; and in the value set by them
upon military stratagems and contrivances, and in the waging of everlasting
wars—this State will be for the most part peculiar.
Yes.
Yes, I said; and men of this stamp will be covetous of money, like those
who live in oligarchies; they will have, a fierce secret longing after gold and
silver, which they will hoard in dark places, having magazines and
treasuries of their own for the deposit and concealment of them; also castles
which are just nests for their eggs, and in which they will spend large sums
on their wives, or on any others whom they please.
That is most true, he said.
And they are miserly because they have no means of openly acquiring
the money which they prize; they will spend that which is another man’s on
the gratification of their desires, stealing their pleasures and running away
like children from the law, their father: they have been schooled not by
gentle influences but by force, for they have neglected her who is the true
Muse, the companion of reason and philosophy, and have honoured
gymnastic more than music.
Undoubtedly, he said, the form of government which you describe is a
mixture of good and evil.
Why, there is a mixture, I said; but one thing, and one thing only, is
predominantly seen,—the spirit of contention and ambition; and these are
due to the prevalence of the passionate or spirited element.
Assuredly, he said.
Such is the origin and such the character of this State, which has been
described in outline only; the more perfect execution was not required, for a
sketch is enough to show the type of the most perfectly just and most
perfectly unjust; and to go through all the States and all the characters of
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Very true, he replied.
Now what man answers to this form of government-how did he come
into being, and what is he like?
I think, said Adeimantus, that in the spirit of contention which
characterises him, he is not unlike our friend Glaucon.
Perhaps, I said, he may be like him in that one point; but there are other
respects in which he is very different.
In what respects?
He should have more of self-assertion and be less cultivated, and yet a
friend of culture; and he should be a good listener, but no speaker. Such a
person is apt to be rough with slaves, unlike the educated man, who is too
proud for that; and he will also be courteous to freemen, and remarkably
obedient to authority; he is a lover of power and a lover of honour; claiming
to be a ruler, not because he is eloquent, or on any ground of that sort, but
because he is a soldier and has performed feats of arms; he is also a lover of
gymnastic exercises and of the chase.
Yes, that is the type of character which answers to timocracy.
Such an one will despise riches only when he is young; but as he gets
older he will be more and more attracted to them, because he has a piece of
the avaricious nature in him, and is not single-minded towards virtue,
having lost his best guardian.
Who was that? said Adeimantus.
Philosophy, I said, tempered with music, who comes and takes up her
abode in a man, and is the only saviour of his virtue throughout life.
Good, he said.
Such, I said, is the timocratical youth, and he is like the timocratical
State.
Exactly.
His origin is as follows:—He is often the young son of a brave father,
who dwells in an ill-governed city, of which he declines the honours and
offices, and will not go to law, or exert himself in any way, but is ready to
waive his rights in order that he may escape trouble.
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The character of the son begins to develope when he hears his mother
complaining that her husband has no place in the government, of which the
consequence is that she has no precedence among other women. Further,
when she sees her husband not very eager about money, and instead of
battling and railing in the law courts or assembly, taking whatever happens
to him quietly; and when she observes that his thoughts always centre in
himself, while he treats her with very considerable indifference, she is
annoyed, and says to her son that his father is only half a man and far too
easy-going: adding all the other complaints about her own ill-treatment
which women are so fond of rehearsing.
Yes, said Adeimantus, they give us plenty of them, and their complaints
are so like themselves.
And you know, I said, that the old servants also, who are supposed to be
attached to the family, from time to time talk privately in the same strain to
the son; and if they see any one who owes money to his father, or is
wronging him in any way, and he fails to prosecute them, they tell the youth
that when he grows up he must retaliate upon people of this sort, and be
more of a man than his father. He has only to walk abroad and he hears and
sees the same sort of thing: those who do their own business in the city are
called simpletons, and held in no esteem, while the busy-bodies are
honoured and applauded. The result is that the young man, hearing and
seeing all these things—hearing, too, the words of his father, and having a
nearer view of his way of life, and making comparisons of him and others
—is drawn opposite ways: while his father is watering and nourishing the
rational principle in his soul, the others are encouraging the passionate and
appetitive; and he being not originally of a bad nature, but having kept bad
company, is at last brought by their joint influence to a middle point, and
gives up the kingdom which is within him to the middle principle of
contentiousness and passion, and becomes arrogant and ambitious.
You seem to me to have described his origin perfectly.
Then we have now, I said, the second form of government and the second
type of character?
We have.
Next, let us look at another man who, as Aeschylus says,
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or rather, as our plan requires, begin with the State.
By all means.
I believe that oligarchy follows next in order.
And what manner of government do you term oligarchy?
A government resting on a valuation of property, in which the rich have
power and the poor man is deprived of it.
I understand, he replied.
Ought I not to begin by describing how the change from timocracy to
oligarchy arises?
Yes.
Well, I said, no eyes are required in order to see how the one passes into
the other.
How?
The accumulation of gold in the treasury of private individuals is the ruin
of timocracy; they invent illegal modes of expenditure; for what do they or
their wives care about the law?
Yes, indeed.
And then one, seeing another grow rich, seeks to rival him, and thus the
great mass of the citizens become lovers of money.
Likely enough.
And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think of making a
fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue are placed
together in the scales of the balance, the one always rises as the other falls.
True.
And in proportion as riches and rich men are honoured in the State, virtue
and the virtuous are dishonoured.
Clearly.
And what is honoured is cultivated, and that which has no honour is
neglected.
That is obvious.
And so at last, instead of loving contention and glory, men become lovers
of trade and money; they honour and look up to the rich man, and make a
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They do so.
They next proceed to make a law which fixes a sum of money as the
qualification of citizenship; the sum is higher in one place and lower in
another, as the oligarchy is more or less exclusive; and they allow no one
whose property falls below the amount fixed to have any share in the
government. These changes in the constitution they effect by force of arms,
if intimidation has not already done their work.
Very true.
And this, speaking generally, is the way in which oligarchy is
established.
Yes, he said; but what are the characteristics of this form of government,
and what are the defects of which we were speaking?
First of all, I said, consider the nature of the qualification. Just think what
would happen if pilots were to be chosen according to their property, and a
poor man were refused permission to steer, even though he were a better
pilot?
You mean that they would shipwreck?
Yes; and is not this true of the government of anything?
I should imagine so.
Except a city?—or would you include a city?
Nay, he said, the case of a city is the strongest of all, inasmuch as the rule
of a city is the greatest and most difficult of all.
This, then, will be the first great defect of oligarchy?
Clearly.
And here is another defect which is quite as bad.
What defect?
The inevitable division: such a State is not one, but two States, the one of
poor, the other of rich men; and they are living on the same spot and always
conspiring against one another.
That, surely, is at least as bad.
Another discreditable feature is, that, for a like reason, they are incapable
of carrying on any war. Either they arm the multitude, and then they are
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the hour of battle, they are oligarchs indeed, few to fight as they are few to
rule. And at the same time their fondness for money makes them unwilling
to pay taxes.
How discreditable!
And, as we said before, under such a constitution the same persons have
too many callings—they are husbandmen, tradesmen, warriors, all in one.
Does that look well?
Anything but well.
There is another evil which is, perhaps, the greatest of all, and to which
this State first begins to be liable.
What evil?
A man may sell all that he has, and another may acquire his property; yet
after the sale he may dwell in the city of which he is no longer a part, being
neither trader, nor artisan, nor horseman, nor hoplite, but only a poor,
helpless creature.
Yes, that is an evil which also first begins in this State.
The evil is certainly not prevented there; for oligarchies have both the
extremes of great wealth and utter poverty.
True.
But think again: In his wealthy days, while he was spending his money,
was a man of this sort a whit more good to the State for the purposes of
citizenship? Or did he only seem to be a member of the ruling body,
although in truth he was neither ruler nor subject, but just a spendthrift?
As you say, he seemed to be a ruler, but was only a spendthrift.
May we not say that this is the drone in the house who is like the drone in
the honeycomb, and that the one is the plague of the city as the other is of
the hive?
Just so, Socrates.
And God has made the flying drones, Adeimantus, all without stings,
whereas of the walking drones he has made some without stings but others
have dreadful stings; of the stingless class are those who in their old age
end as paupers; of the stingers come all the criminal class, as they are
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Clearly then, whenever you see paupers in a State, somewhere in that
neighborhood there are hidden away thieves, and cut-purses and robbers of
temples, and all sorts of malefactors.
Clearly.
Well, I said, and in oligarchical States do you not find paupers?
Yes, he said; nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler.
And may we be so bold as to affirm that there are also many criminals to
be found in them, rogues who have stings, and whom the authorities are
careful to restrain by force?
Certainly, we may be so bold.
The existence of such persons is to be attributed to want of education, ill-
training, and an evil constitution of the State?
True.
Such, then, is the form and such are the evils of oligarchy; and there may
be many other evils.
Very likely.
Then oligarchy, or the form of government in which the rulers are elected
for their wealth, may now be dismissed. Let us next proceed to consider the
nature and origin of the individual who answers to this State.
By all means.
Does not the timocratical man change into the oligarchical on this wise?
How?
A time arrives when the representative of timocracy has a son: at first he
begins by emulating his father and walking in his footsteps, but presently he
sees him of a sudden foundering against the State as upon a sunken reef,
and he and all that he has is lost; he may have been a general or some other
high officer who is brought to trial under a prejudice raised by informers,
and either put to death, or exiled, or deprived of the privileges of a citizen,
and all his property taken from him.
Nothing more likely.
And the son has seen and known all this—he is a ruined man, and his
fear has taught him to knock ambition and passion headforemost from his
bosom’s throne; humbled by poverty he takes to money-making and by
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an one likely to seat the concupiscent and covetous element on the vacant
throne and to suffer it to play the great king within him, girt with tiara and
chain and scimitar?
Most true, he replied.
And when he has made reason and spirit sit down on the ground
obediently on either side of their sovereign, and taught them to know their
place, he compels the one to think only of how lesser sums may be turned
into larger ones, and will not allow the other to worship and admire
anything but riches and rich men, or to be ambitious of anything so much as
the acquisition of wealth and the means of acquiring it.
Of all changes, he said, there is none so speedy or so sure as the
conversion of the ambitious youth into the avaricious one.
And the avaricious, I said, is the oligarchical youth?
Yes, he said; at any rate the individual out of whom he came is like the
State out of which oligarchy came.
Let us then consider whether there is any likeness between them.
Very good.
First, then, they resemble one another in the value which they set upon
wealth?
Certainly.
Also in their penurious, laborious character; the individual only satisfies
his necessary appetites, and confines his expenditure to them; his other
desires he subdues, under the idea that they are unprofitable.
True.
He is a shabby fellow, who saves something out of everything and makes
a purse for himself; and this is the sort of man whom the vulgar applaud. Is
he not a true image of the State which he represents?
He appears to me to be so; at any rate money is highly valued by him as
well as by the State.
You see that he is not a man of cultivation, I said.
I imagine not, he said; had he been educated he would never have made a
blind god director of his chorus, or given him chief honour.
Excellent! I said. Yet consider: Must we not further admit that owing to
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pauper and rogue, which are forcibly kept down by his general habit of life?
True.
Do you know where you will have to look if you want to discover his
rogueries?
Where must I look?
You should see him where he has some great opportunity of acting
dishonestly, as in the guardianship of an orphan.
Aye.
It will be clear enough then that in his ordinary dealings which give him
a reputation for honesty he coerces his bad passions by an enforced virtue;
not making them see that they are wrong, or taming them by reason, but by
necessity and fear constraining them, and because he trembles for his
possessions.
To be sure.
Yes, indeed, my dear friend, but you will find that the natural desires of
the drone commonly exist in him all the same whenever he has to spend
what is not his own.
Yes, and they will be strong in him too.
The man, then, will be at war with himself; he will be two men, and not
one; but, in general, his better desires will be found to prevail over his
inferior ones.
True.
For these reasons such an one will be more respectable than most people;
yet the true virtue of a unanimous and harmonious soul will flee far away
and never come near him.
I should expect so.
And surely, the miser individually will be an ignoble competitor in a
State for any prize of victory, or other object of honourable ambition; he
will not spend his money in the contest for glory; so afraid is he of
awakening his expensive appetites and inviting them to help and join in the
struggle; in true oligarchical fashion he fights with a small part only of his
resources, and the result commonly is that he loses the prize and saves his
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Can we any longer doubt, then, that the miser and money-maker answers
to the oligarchical State?
There can be no doubt.
Next comes democracy; of this the origin and nature have still to be
considered by us; and then we will enquire into the ways of the democratic
man, and bring him up for judgment.
That, he said, is our method.
Well, I said, and how does the change from oligarchy into democracy
arise? Is it not on this wise?—The good at which such a State aims is to
become as rich as possible, a desire which is insatiable?
What then?
The rulers, being aware that their power rests upon their wealth, refuse to
curtail by law the extravagance of the spendthrift youth because they gain
by their ruin; they take interest from them and buy up their estates and thus
increase their own wealth and importance?
To be sure.
There can be no doubt that the love of wealth and the spirit of moderation
cannot exist together in citizens of the same state to any considerable
extent; one or the other will be disregarded.
That is tolerably clear.
And in oligarchical States, from the general spread of carelessness and
extravagance, men of good family have often been reduced to beggary?
Yes, often.
And still they remain in the city; there they are, ready to sting and fully
armed, and some of them owe money, some have forfeited their citizenship;
a third class are in both predicaments; and they hate and conspire against
those who have got their property, and against everybody else, and are eager
for revolution.
That is true.
On the other hand, the men of business, stooping as they walk, and
pretending not even to see those whom they have already ruined, insert their
sting—that is, their money—into some one else who is not on his guard
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family of children: and so they make drone and pauper to abound in the
State.
Yes, he said, there are plenty of them—that is certain.
The evil blazes up like a fire; and they will not extinguish it, either by
restricting a man’s use of his own property, or by another remedy:
What other?
One which is the next best, and has the advantage of compelling the
citizens to look to their characters:—Let there be a general rule that every
one shall enter into voluntary contracts at his own risk, and there will be
less of this scandalous money-making, and the evils of which we were
speaking will be greatly lessened in the State.
Yes, they will be greatly lessened.
At present the governors, induced by the motives which I have named,
treat their subjects badly; while they and their adherents, especially the
young men of the governing class, are habituated to lead a life of luxury and
idleness both of body and mind; they do nothing, and are incapable of
resisting either pleasure or pain.
Very true.
They themselves care only for making money, and are as indifferent as
the pauper to the cultivation of virtue.
Yes, quite as indifferent.
Such is the state of affairs which prevails among them. And often rulers
and their subjects may come in one another’s way, whether on a journey or
on some other occasion of meeting, on a pilgrimage or a march, as fellow-
soldiers or fellow-sailors; aye and they may observe the behaviour of each
other in the very moment of danger—for where danger is, there is no fear
that the poor will be despised by the rich—and very likely the wiry
sunburnt poor man may be placed in battle at the side of a wealthy one who
has never spoilt his complexion and has plenty of superfluous flesh—when
he sees such an one puffing and at his wits’-end, how can he avoid drawing
the conclusion that men like him are only rich because no one has the
courage to despoil them? And when they meet in private will not people be
saying to one another ‘Our warriors are not good for much’?
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And, as in a body which is diseased the addition of a touch from without
may bring on illness, and sometimes even when there is no external
provocation a commotion may arise within—in the same way wherever
there is weakness in the State there is also likely to be illness, of which the
occasion may be very slight, the one party introducing from without their
oligarchical, the other their democratical allies, and then the State falls sick,
and is at war with herself; and may be at times distracted, even when there
is no external cause.
Yes, surely.
And then democracy comes into being after the poor have conquered
their opponents, slaughtering some and banishing some, while to the
remainder they give an equal share of freedom and power; and this is the
form of government in which the magistrates are commonly elected by lot.
Yes, he said, that is the nature of democracy, whether the revolution has
been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to
withdraw.
And now what is their manner of life, and what sort of a government
have they? for as the government is, such will be the man.
Clearly, he said.
In the first place, are they not free; and is not the city full of freedom and
frankness—a man may say and do what he likes?
’Tis said so, he replied.
And where freedom is, the individual is clearly able to order for himself
his own life as he pleases?
Clearly.
Then in this kind of State there will be the greatest variety of human
natures?
There will.
This, then, seems likely to be the fairest of States, being like an
embroidered robe which is spangled with every sort of flower. And just as
women and children think a variety of colours to be of all things most
charming, so there are many men to whom this State, which is spangled
with the manners and characters of mankind, will appear to be the fairest of
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Yes.
Yes, my good Sir, and there will be no better in which to look for a
government.
Why?
Because of the liberty which reigns there—they have a complete
assortment of constitutions; and he who has a mind to establish a State, as
we have been doing, must go to a democracy as he would to a bazaar at
which they sell them, and pick out the one that suits him; then, when he has
made his choice, he may found his State.
He will be sure to have patterns enough.
And there being no necessity, I said, for you to govern in this State, even
if you have the capacity, or to be governed, unless you like, or go to war
when the rest go to war, or to be at peace when others are at peace, unless
you are so disposed—there being no necessity also, because some law
forbids you to hold office or be a dicast, that you should not hold office or
be a dicast, if you have a fancy—is not this a way of life which for the
moment is supremely delightful?
For the moment, yes.
And is not their humanity to the condemned in some cases quite
charming? Have you not observed how, in a democracy, many persons,
although they have been sentenced to death or exile, just stay where they
are and walk about the world—the gentleman parades like a hero, and
nobody sees or cares?
Yes, he replied, many and many a one.
See too, I said, the forgiving spirit of democracy, and the ‘don’t care’
about trifles, and the disregard which she shows of all the fine principles
which we solemnly laid down at the foundation of the city—as when we
said that, except in the case of some rarely gifted nature, there never will be
a good man who has not from his childhood been used to play amid things
of beauty and make of them a joy and a study—how grandly does she
trample all these fine notions of ours under her feet, never giving a thought
to the pursuits which make a statesman, and promoting to honour any one
who professes to be the people’s friend.
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These and other kindred characteristics are proper to democracy, which is
a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing
a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.
We know her well.
Consider now, I said, what manner of man the individual is, or rather
consider, as in the case of the State, how he comes into being.
Very good, he said.
Is not this the way—he is the son of the miserly and oligarchical father
who has trained him in his own habits?
Exactly.
And, like his father, he keeps under by force the pleasures which are of
the spending and not of the getting sort, being those which are called
unnecessary?
Obviously.
Would you like, for the sake of clearness, to distinguish which are the
necessary and which are the unnecessary pleasures?
I should.
Are not necessary pleasures those of which we cannot get rid, and of
which the satisfaction is a benefit to us? And they are rightly called so,
because we are framed by nature to desire both what is beneficial and what
is necessary, and cannot help it.
True.
We are not wrong therefore in calling them necessary?
We are not.
And the desires of which a man may get rid, if he takes pains from his
youth upwards—of which the presence, moreover, does no good, and in
some cases the reverse of good—shall we not be right in saying that all
these are unnecessary?
Yes, certainly.
Suppose we select an example of either kind, in order that we may have a
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Will not the desire of eating, that is, of simple food and condiments, in so
far as they are required for health and strength, be of the necessary class?
That is what I should suppose.
The pleasure of eating is necessary in two ways; it does us good and it is
essential to the continuance of life?
Yes.
But the condiments are only necessary in so far as they are good for
health?
Certainly.
And the desire which goes beyond this, of more delicate food, or other
luxuries, which might generally be got rid of, if controlled and trained in
youth, and is hurtful to the body, and hurtful to the soul in the pursuit of
wisdom and virtue, may be rightly called unnecessary?
Very true.
May we not say that these desires spend, and that the others make money
because they conduce to production?
Certainly.
And of the pleasures of love, and all other pleasures, the same holds
good?
True.
And the drone of whom we spoke was he who was surfeited in pleasures
and desires of this sort, and was the slave of the unnecessary desires,
whereas he who was subject to the necessary only was miserly and
oligarchical?
Very true.
Again, let us see how the democratical man grows out of the oligarchical:
the following, as I suspect, is commonly the process.
What is the process?
When a young man who has been brought up as we were just now
describing, in a vulgar and miserly way, has tasted drones’ honey and has
come to associate with fierce and crafty natures who are able to provide for
him all sorts of refinements and varieties of pleasure—then, as you may
imagine, the change will begin of the oligarchical principle within him into
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Inevitably.
And as in the city like was helping like, and the change was effected by
an alliance from without assisting one division of the citizens, so too the
young man is changed by a class of desires coming from without to assist
the desires within him, that which is akin and alike again helping that which
is akin and alike?
Certainly.
And if there be any ally which aids the oligarchical principle within him,
whether the influence of a father or of kindred, advising or rebuking him,
then there arises in his soul a faction and an opposite faction, and he goes to
war with himself.
It must be so.
And there are times when the democratical principle gives way to the
oligarchical, and some of his desires die, and others are banished; a spirit of
reverence enters into the young man’s soul and order is restored.
Yes, he said, that sometimes happens.
And then, again, after the old desires have been driven out, fresh ones
spring up, which are akin to them, and because he their father does not
know how to educate them, wax fierce and numerous.
Yes, he said, that is apt to be the way.
They draw him to his old associates, and holding secret intercourse with
them, breed and multiply in him.
Very true.
At length they seize upon the citadel of the young man’s soul, which they
perceive to be void of all accomplishments and fair pursuits and true words,
which make their abode in the minds of men who are dear to the gods, and
are their best guardians and sentinels.
None better.
False and boastful conceits and phrases mount upwards and take their
place.
They are certain to do so.
And so the young man returns into the country of the lotus-eaters, and
takes up his dwelling there in the face of all men; and if any help be sent by
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the gate of the king’s fastness; and they will neither allow the embassy itself
to enter, nor if private advisers offer the fatherly counsel of the aged will
they listen to them or receive them. There is a battle and they gain the day,
and then modesty, which they call silliness, is ignominiously thrust into
exile by them, and temperance, which they nickname unmanliness, is
trampled in the mire and cast forth; they persuade men that moderation and
orderly expenditure are vulgarity and meanness, and so, by the help of a
rabble of evil appetites, they drive them beyond the border.
Yes, with a will.
And when they have emptied and swept clean the soul of him who is now
in their power and who is being initiated by them in great mysteries, the
next thing is to bring back to their house insolence and anarchy and waste
and impudence in bright array having garlands on their heads, and a great
company with them, hymning their praises and calling them by sweet
names; insolence they term breeding, and anarchy liberty, and waste
magnificence, and impudence courage. And so the young man passes out of
his original nature, which was trained in the school of necessity, into the
freedom and libertinism of useless and unnecessary pleasures.
Yes, he said, the change in him is visible enough.
After this he lives on, spending his money and labour and time on
unnecessary pleasures quite as much as on necessary ones; but if he be
fortunate, and is not too much disordered in his wits, when years have
elapsed, and the heyday of passion is over—supposing that he then re-
admits into the city some part of the exiled virtues, and does not wholly
give himself up to their successors—in that case he balances his pleasures
and lives in a sort of equilibrium, putting the government of himself into the
hands of the one which comes first and wins the turn; and when he has had
enough of that, then into the hands of another; he despises none of them but
encourages them all equally.
Very true, he said.
Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any true word of
advice; if any one says to him that some pleasures are the satisfactions of
good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and that he ought to use
and honour some and chastise and master the others—whenever this is
repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they are all alike, and that
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Yes, he said; that is the way with him.
Yes, I said, he lives from day to day indulging the appetite of the hour;
and sometimes he is lapped in drink and strains of the flute; then he
becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin; then he takes a turn at
gymnastics; sometimes idling and neglecting everything, then once more
living the life of a philosopher; often he is busy with politics, and starts to
his feet and says and does whatever comes into his head; and, if he is
emulous of any one who is a warrior, off he is in that direction, or of men of
business, once more in that. His life has neither law nor order; and this
distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so he goes on.
Yes, he replied, he is all liberty and equality.
Yes, I said; his life is motley and manifold and an epitome of the lives of
many;—he answers to the State which we described as fair and spangled.
And many a man and many a woman will take him for their pattern, and
many a constitution and many an example of manners is contained in him.
Just so.
Let him then be set over against democracy; he may truly be called the
democratic man.
Let that be his place, he said.
Last of all comes the most beautiful of all, man and State alike, tyranny
and the tyrant; these we have now to consider.
Quite true, he said.
Say then, my friend, In what manner does tyranny arise?—that it has a
democratic origin is evident.
Clearly.
And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the same manner as
democracy from oligarchy—I mean, after a sort?
How?
The good which oligarchy proposed to itself and the means by which it
was maintained was excess of wealth—am I not right?
Yes.
And the insatiable desire of wealth and the neglect of all other things for
the sake of money-getting was also the ruin of oligarchy?
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And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings
her to dissolution?
What good?
Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, is the glory of
the State—and that therefore in a democracy alone will the freeman of
nature deign to dwell.
Yes; the saying is in every body’s mouth.
I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of
other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand
for tyranny.
How so?
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers
presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of
freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful
draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are
cursed oligarchs.
Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.
Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who
hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like
rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart,
whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a
State, can liberty have any limit?
Certainly not.
By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by
getting among the animals and infecting them.
How do you mean?
I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his
sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no
respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and
the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the
stranger is quite as good as either.
Yes, he said, that is the way.
And these are not the only evils, I said—there are several lesser ones: In
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scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and
the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with him
in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of
pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be thought morose and authoritative,
and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.
Quite true, he said.
The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money,
whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I
forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each
other.
Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?
That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does
not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals
who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other
State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their she-
mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with all
the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who
comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all
things are just ready to burst with liberty.
When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you
describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the
citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and
at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or
unwritten; they will have no one over them.
Yes, he said, I know it too well.
Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which
springs tyranny.
Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?
The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease
magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy—the truth
being that the excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the
opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in
vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.
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The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass
into excess of slavery.
Yes, the natural order.
And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most
aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of
liberty?
As we might expect.
That, however, was not, as I believe, your question—you rather desired
to know what is that disorder which is generated alike in oligarchy and
democracy, and is the ruin of both?
Just so, he replied.
Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom the
more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the same
whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having
stings.
A very just comparison.
These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they are
generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. And the good
physician and lawgiver of the State ought, like the wise bee-master, to keep
them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in; and if they
have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their cells cut
out as speedily as possible.
Yes, by all means, he said.
Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine
democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into three classes; for in the first
place freedom creates rather more drones in the democratic than there were
in the oligarchical State.
That is true.
And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.
How so?
Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from
office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a
democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener
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word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost everything is
managed by the drones.
Very true, he said.
Then there is another class which is always being severed from the mass.
What is that?
They are the orderly class, which in a nation of traders is sure to be the
richest.
Naturally so.
They are the most squeezable persons and yield the largest amount of
honey to the drones.
Why, he said, there is little to be squeezed out of people who have little.
And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.
That is pretty much the case, he said.
The people are a third class, consisting of those who work with their own
hands; they are not politicians, and have not much to live upon. This, when
assembled, is the largest and most powerful class in a democracy.
True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate
unless they get a little honey.
And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of
their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time taking
care to reserve the larger part for themselves?
Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.
And the persons whose property is taken from them are compelled to
defend themselves before the people as they best can?
What else can they do?
And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge
them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy?
True.
And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but
through ignorance, and because they are deceived by informers, seeking to
do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs in reality;
they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments them and breeds
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That is exactly the truth.
Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.
True.
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and
nurse into greatness.
Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first
appears above ground he is a protector.
Yes, that is quite clear.
How then does a protector begin to change into a tyrant? Clearly when he
does what the man is said to do in the tale of the Arcadian temple of
Lycaean Zeus.
What tale?
The tale is that he who has tasted the entrails of a single human victim
minced up with the entrails of other victims is destined to become a wolf.
Did you never hear it?
Oh, yes.
And the protector of the people is like him; having a mob entirely at his
disposal, he is not restrained from shedding the blood of kinsmen; by the
favourite method of false accusation he brings them into court and murders
them, making the life of man to disappear, and with unholy tongue and lips
tasting the blood of his fellow citizens; some he kills and others he
banishes, at the same time hinting at the abolition of debts and partition of
lands: and after this, what will be his destiny? Must he not either perish at
the hands of his enemies, or from being a man become a wolf—that is, a
tyrant?
Inevitably.
This, I said, is he who begins to make a party against the rich?
The same.
After a while he is driven out, but comes back, in spite of his enemies, a
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And if they are unable to expel him, or to get him condemned to death by
a public accusation, they conspire to assassinate him.
Yes, he said, that is their usual way.
Then comes the famous request for a body-guard, which is the device of
all those who have got thus far in their tyrannical career—‘Let not the
people’s friend,’ as they say, ‘be lost to them.’
Exactly.
The people readily assent; all their fears are for him—they have none for
themselves.
Very true.
And when a man who is wealthy and is also accused of being an enemy
of the people sees this, then, my friend, as the oracle said to Croesus,
‘By pebbly Hermus’ shore he flees and rests not, and is not ashamed to
be a coward.’
And quite right too, said he, for if he were, he would never be ashamed
again.
But if he is caught he dies.
Of course.
And he, the protector of whom we spoke, is to be seen, not ‘larding the
plain’ with his bulk, but himself the overthrower of many, standing up in the
chariot of State with the reins in his hand, no longer protector, but tyrant
absolute.
No doubt, he said.
And now let us consider the happiness of the man, and also of the State
in which a creature like him is generated.
Yes, he said, let us consider that.
At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he salutes
every one whom he meets;—he to be called a tyrant, who is making
promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and distributing
land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so kind and good to
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But when he has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and
there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or
other, in order that the people may require a leader.
To be sure.
Has he not also another object, which is that they may be impoverished
by payment of taxes, and thus compelled to devote themselves to their daily
wants and therefore less likely to conspire against him?
Clearly.
And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom,
and of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying
them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons
the tyrant must be always getting up a war.
He must.
Now he begins to grow unpopular.
A necessary result.
Then some of those who joined in setting him up, and who are in power,
speak their minds to him and to one another, and the more courageous of
them cast in his teeth what is being done.
Yes, that may be expected.
And the tyrant, if he means to rule, must get rid of them; he cannot stop
while he has a friend or an enemy who is good for anything.
He cannot.
And therefore he must look about him and see who is valiant, who is
high-minded, who is wise, who is wealthy; happy man, he is the enemy of
them all, and must seek occasion against them whether he will or no, until
he has made a purgation of the State.
Yes, he said, and a rare purgation.
Yes, I said, not the sort of purgation which the physicians make of the
body; for they take away the worse and leave the better part, but he does the
reverse.
If he is to rule, I suppose that he cannot help himself.
What a blessed alternative, I said:—to be compelled to dwell only with
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Yes, that is the alternative.
And the more detestable his actions are to the citizens the more satellites
and the greater devotion in them will he require?
Certainly.
And who are the devoted band, and where will he procure them?
They will flock to him, he said, of their own accord, if he pays them.
By the dog! I said, here are more drones, of every sort and from every
land.
Yes, he said, there are.
But will he not desire to get them on the spot?
How do you mean?
He will rob the citizens of their slaves; he will then set them free and
enrol them in his body-guard.
To be sure, he said; and he will be able to trust them best of all.
What a blessed creature, I said, must this tyrant be; he has put to death
the others and has these for his trusted friends.
Yes, he said; they are quite of his sort.
Yes, I said, and these are the new citizens whom he has called into
existence, who admire him and are his companions, while the good hate and
avoid him.
Of course.
Verily, then, tragedy is a wise thing and Euripides a great tragedian.
Why so?
Why, because he is the author of the pregnant saying,
‘Tyrants are wise by living with the wise;’
and he clearly meant to say that they are the wise whom the tyrant makes
his companions.
Yes, he said, and he also praises tyranny as godlike; and many other
things of the same kind are said by him and by the other poets.
And therefore, I said, the tragic poets being wise men will forgive us and
any others who live after our manner if we do not receive them into our
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Yes, he said, those who have the wit will doubtless forgive us.
But they will continue to go to other cities and attract mobs, and hire
voices fair and loud and persuasive, and draw the cities over to tyrannies
and democracies.
Very true.
Moreover, they are paid for this and receive honour—the greatest honour,
as might be expected, from tyrants, and the next greatest from democracies;
but the higher they ascend our constitution hill, the more their reputation
fails, and seems unable from shortness of breath to proceed further.
True.
But we are wandering from the subject: Let us therefore return and
enquire how the tyrant will maintain that fair and numerous and various and
ever-changing army of his.
If, he said, there are sacred treasures in the city, he will confiscate and
spend them; and in so far as the fortunes of attainted persons may suffice,
he will be able to diminish the taxes which he would otherwise have to
impose upon the people.
And when these fail?
Why, clearly, he said, then he and his boon companions, whether male or
female, will be maintained out of his father’s estate.
You mean to say that the people, from whom he has derived his being,
will maintain him and his companions?
Yes, he said; they cannot help themselves.
But what if the people fly into a passion, and aver that a grown-up son
ought not to be supported by his father, but that the father should be
supported by the son? The father did not bring him into being, or settle him
in life, in order that when his son became a man he should himself be the
servant of his own servants and should support him and his rabble of slaves
and companions; but that his son should protect him, and that by his help he
might be emancipated from the government of the rich and aristocratic, as
they are termed. And so he bids him and his companions depart, just as any
other father might drive out of the house a riotous son and his undesirable
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By heaven, he said, then the parent will discover what a monster he has
been fostering in his bosom; and, when he wants to drive him out, he will
find that he is weak and his son strong.
Why, you do not mean to say that the tyrant will use violence? What!
beat his father if he opposes him?
Yes, he will, having first disarmed him.
Then he is a parricide, and a cruel guardian of an aged parent; and this is
real tyranny, about which there can be no longer a mistake: as the saying is,
the people who would escape the smoke which is the slavery of freemen,
has fallen into the fire which is the tyranny of slaves. Thus liberty, getting
out of all order and reason, passes into the harshest and bitterest form of
slavery.
True, he said.
Very well; and may we not rightly say that we have sufficiently discussed
the nature of tyranny, and the manner of the transition from democracy to
tyranny?
Yes, quite enough, he said.

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BOOK IX.

Last of all comes the tyrannical man; about whom we have once more to
ask, how is he formed out of the democratical? and how does he live, in
happiness or in misery?
Yes, he said, he is the only one remaining.
There is, however, I said, a previous question which remains unanswered.
What question?
I do not think that we have adequately determined the nature and number
of the appetites, and until this is accomplished the enquiry will always be
confused.
Well, he said, it is not too late to supply the omission.
Very true, I said; and observe the point which I want to understand:
Certain of the unnecessary pleasures and appetites I conceive to be
unlawful; every one appears to have them, but in some persons they are
controlled by the laws and by reason, and the better desires prevail over
them—either they are wholly banished or they become few and weak; while
in the case of others they are stronger, and there are more of them.
Which appetites do you mean?
I mean those which are awake when the reasoning and human and ruling
power is asleep; then the wild beast within us, gorged with meat or drink,
starts up and having shaken off sleep, goes forth to satisfy his desires; and
there is no conceivable folly or crime—not excepting incest or any other
unnatural union, or parricide, or the eating of forbidden food—which at
such a time, when he has parted company with all shame and sense, a man
may not be ready to commit.
Most true, he said.
But when a man’s pulse is healthy and temperate, and when before going
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thoughts and enquiries, collecting himself in meditation; after having first
indulged his appetites neither too much nor too little, but just enough to lay
them to sleep, and prevent them and their enjoyments and pains from
interfering with the higher principle—which he leaves in the solitude of
pure abstraction, free to contemplate and aspire to the knowledge of the
unknown, whether in past, present, or future: when again he has allayed the
passionate element, if he has a quarrel against any one—I say, when, after
pacifying the two irrational principles, he rouses up the third, which is
reason, before he takes his rest, then, as you know, he attains truth most
nearly, and is least likely to be the sport of fantastic and lawless visions.
I quite agree.
In saying this I have been running into a digression; but the point which I
desire to note is that in all of us, even in good men, there is a lawless wild-
beast nature, which peers out in sleep. Pray, consider whether I am right,
and you agree with me.
Yes, I agree.
And now remember the character which we attributed to the democratic
man. He was supposed from his youth upwards to have been trained under a
miserly parent, who encouraged the saving appetites in him, but
discountenanced the unnecessary, which aim only at amusement and
ornament?
True.
And then he got into the company of a more refined, licentious sort of
people, and taking to all their wanton ways rushed into the opposite extreme
from an abhorrence of his father’s meanness. At last, being a better man
than his corruptors, he was drawn in both directions until he halted midway
and led a life, not of vulgar and slavish passion, but of what he deemed
moderate indulgence in various pleasures. After this manner the democrat
was generated out of the oligarch?
Yes, he said; that was our view of him, and is so still.
And now, I said, years will have passed away, and you must conceive this
man, such as he is, to have a son, who is brought up in his father’s
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Then you must further imagine the same thing to happen to the son which
has already happened to the father:—he is drawn into a perfectly lawless
life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty; and his father and
friends take part with his moderate desires, and the opposite party assist the
opposite ones. As soon as these dire magicians and tyrant-makers find that
they are losing their hold on him, they contrive to implant in him a master
passion, to be lord over his idle and spendthrift lusts—a sort of monstrous
winged drone—that is the only image which will adequately describe him.
Yes, he said, that is the only adequate image of him.
And when his other lusts, amid clouds of incense and perfumes and
garlands and wines, and all the pleasures of a dissolute life, now let loose,
come buzzing around him, nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire
which they implant in his drone-like nature, then at last this lord of the soul,
having Madness for the captain of his guard, breaks out into a frenzy: and if
he finds in himself any good opinions or appetites in process of formation,
and there is in him any sense of shame remaining, to these better principles
he puts an end, and casts them forth until he has purged away temperance
and brought in madness to the full.
Yes, he said, that is the way in which the tyrannical man is generated.
And is not this the reason why of old love has been called a tyrant?
I should not wonder.
Further, I said, has not a drunken man also the spirit of a tyrant?
He has.
And you know that a man who is deranged and not right in his mind, will
fancy that he is able to rule, not only over men, but also over the gods?
That he will.
And the tyrannical man in the true sense of the word comes into being
when, either under the influence of nature, or habit, or both, he becomes
drunken, lustful, passionate? O my friend, is not that so?
Assuredly.
Such is the man and such is his origin. And next, how does he live?
Suppose, as people facetiously say, you were to tell me.
I imagine, I said, at the next step in his progress, that there will be feasts
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is the lord of the house within him, and orders all the concerns of his soul.
That is certain.
Yes; and every day and every night desires grow up many and
formidable, and their demands are many.
They are indeed, he said.
His revenues, if he has any, are soon spent.
True.
Then comes debt and the cutting down of his property.
Of course.
When he has nothing left, must not his desires, crowding in the nest like
young ravens, be crying aloud for food; and he, goaded on by them, and
especially by love himself, who is in a manner the captain of them, is in a
frenzy, and would fain discover whom he can defraud or despoil of his
property, in order that he may gratify them?
Yes, that is sure to be the case.
He must have money, no matter how, if he is to escape horrid pains and
pangs.
He must.
And as in himself there was a succession of pleasures, and the new got
the better of the old and took away their rights, so he being younger will
claim to have more than his father and his mother, and if he has spent his
own share of the property, he will take a slice of theirs.
No doubt he will.
And if his parents will not give way, then he will try first of all to cheat
and deceive them.
Very true.
And if he fails, then he will use force and plunder them.
Yes, probably.
And if the old man and woman fight for their own, what then, my friend?
Will the creature feel any compunction at tyrannizing over them?
Nay, he said, I should not feel at all comfortable about his parents.
But, O heavens! Adeimantus, on account of some new-fangled love of a
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would strike the mother who is his ancient friend and necessary to his very
existence, and would place her under the authority of the other, when she is
brought under the same roof with her; or that, under like circumstances, he
would do the same to his withered old father, first and most indispensable
of friends, for the sake of some newly-found blooming youth who is the
reverse of indispensable?
Yes, indeed, he said; I believe that he would.
Truly, then, I said, a tyrannical son is a blessing to his father and mother.
He is indeed, he replied.
He first takes their property, and when that fails, and pleasures are
beginning to swarm in the hive of his soul, then he breaks into a house, or
steals the garments of some nightly wayfarer; next he proceeds to clear a
temple. Meanwhile the old opinions which he had when a child, and which
gave judgment about good and evil, are overthrown by those others which
have just been emancipated, and are now the body-guard of love and share
his empire. These in his democratic days, when he was still subject to the
laws and to his father, were only let loose in the dreams of sleep. But now
that he is under the dominion of love, he becomes always and in waking
reality what he was then very rarely and in a dream only; he will commit
the foulest murder, or eat forbidden food, or be guilty of any other horrid
act. Love is his tyrant, and lives lordly in him and lawlessly, and being
himself a king, leads him on, as a tyrant leads a State, to the performance of
any reckless deed by which he can maintain himself and the rabble of his
associates, whether those whom evil communications have brought in from
without, or those whom he himself has allowed to break loose within him
by reason of a similar evil nature in himself. Have we not here a picture of
his way of life?
Yes, indeed, he said.
And if there are only a few of them in the State, and the rest of the people
are well disposed, they go away and become the body-guard or mercenary
soldiers of some other tyrant who may probably want them for a war; and if
there is no war, they stay at home and do many little pieces of mischief in
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For example, they are the thieves, burglars, cut-purses, foot-pads, robbers
of temples, man-stealers of the community; or if they are able to speak they
turn informers, and bear false witness, and take bribes.
A small catalogue of evils, even if the perpetrators of them are few in
number.
Yes, I said; but small and great are comparative terms, and all these
things, in the misery and evil which they inflict upon a State, do not come
within a thousand miles of the tyrant; when this noxious class and their
followers grow numerous and become conscious of their strength, assisted
by the infatuation of the people, they choose from among themselves the
one who has most of the tyrant in his own soul, and him they create their
tyrant.
Yes, he said, and he will be the most fit to be a tyrant.
If the people yield, well and good; but if they resist him, as he began by
beating his own father and mother, so now, if he has the power, he beats
them, and will keep his dear old fatherland or motherland, as the Cretans
say, in subjection to his young retainers whom he has introduced to be their
rulers and masters. This is the end of his passions and desires.
Exactly.
When such men are only private individuals and before they get power,
this is their character; they associate entirely with their own flatterers or
ready tools; or if they want anything from anybody, they in their turn are
equally ready to bow down before them: they profess every sort of affection
for them; but when they have gained their point they know them no more.
Yes, truly.
They are always either the masters or servants and never the friends of
anybody; the tyrant never tastes of true freedom or friendship.
Certainly not.
And may we not rightly call such men treacherous?
No question.
Also they are utterly unjust, if we were right in our notion of justice?
Yes, he said, and we were perfectly right.
Let us then sum up in a word, I said, the character of the worst man: he is
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Most true.
And this is he who being by nature most of a tyrant bears rule, and the
longer he lives the more of a tyrant he becomes.
That is certain, said Glaucon, taking his turn to answer.
And will not he who has been shown to be the wickedest, be also the
most miserable? and he who has tyrannized longest and most, most
continually and truly miserable; although this may not be the opinion of
men in general?
Yes, he said, inevitably.
And must not the tyrannical man be like the tyrannical State, and the
democratical man like the democratical State; and the same of the others?
Certainly.
And as State is to State in virtue and happiness, so is man in relation to
man?
To be sure.
Then comparing our original city, which was under a king, and the city
which is under a tyrant, how do they stand as to virtue?
They are the opposite extremes, he said, for one is the very best and the
other is the very worst.
There can be no mistake, I said, as to which is which, and therefore I will
at once enquire whether you would arrive at a similar decision about their
relative happiness and misery. And here we must not allow ourselves to be
panic-stricken at the apparition of the tyrant, who is only a unit and may
perhaps have a few retainers about him; but let us go as we ought into every
corner of the city and look all about, and then we will give our opinion.
A fair invitation, he replied; and I see, as every one must, that a tyranny
is the wretchedest form of government, and the rule of a king the happiest.
And in estimating the men too, may I not fairly make a like request, that I
should have a judge whose mind can enter into and see through human
nature? he must not be like a child who looks at the outside and is dazzled
at the pompous aspect which the tyrannical nature assumes to the beholder,
but let him be one who has a clear insight. May I suppose that the judgment
is given in the hearing of us all by one who is able to judge, and has dwelt
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him in his family relations, where he may be seen stripped of his tragedy
attire, and again in the hour of public danger—he shall tell us about the
happiness and misery of the tyrant when compared with other men?
That again, he said, is a very fair proposal.
Shall I assume that we ourselves are able and experienced judges and
have before now met with such a person? We shall then have some one who
will answer our enquiries.
By all means.
Let me ask you not to forget the parallel of the individual and the State;
bearing this in mind, and glancing in turn from one to the other of them,
will you tell me their respective conditions?
What do you mean? he asked.
Beginning with the State, I replied, would you say that a city which is
governed by a tyrant is free or enslaved?
No city, he said, can be more completely enslaved.
And yet, as you see, there are freemen as well as masters in such a State?
Yes, he said, I see that there are—a few; but the people, speaking
generally, and the best of them are miserably degraded and enslaved.
Then if the man is like the State, I said, must not the same rule prevail?
his soul is full of meanness and vulgarity—the best elements in him are
enslaved; and there is a small ruling part, which is also the worst and
maddest.
Inevitably.
And would you say that the soul of such an one is the soul of a freeman,
or of a slave?
He has the soul of a slave, in my opinion.
And the State which is enslaved under a tyrant is utterly incapable of
acting voluntarily?
Utterly incapable.
And also the soul which is under a tyrant (I am speaking of the soul taken
as a whole) is least capable of doing what she desires; there is a gadfly
which goads her, and she is full of trouble and remorse?
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And is the city which is under a tyrant rich or poor?
Poor.
And the tyrannical soul must be always poor and insatiable?
True.
And must not such a State and such a man be always full of fear?
Yes, indeed.
Is there any State in which you will find more of lamentation and sorrow
and groaning and pain?
Certainly not.
And is there any man in whom you will find more of this sort of misery
than in the tyrannical man, who is in a fury of passions and desires?
Impossible.
Reflecting upon these and similar evils, you held the tyrannical State to
be the most miserable of States?
And I was right, he said.
Certainly, I said. And when you see the same evils in the tyrannical man,
what do you say of him?
I say that he is by far the most miserable of all men.
There, I said, I think that you are beginning to go wrong.
What do you mean?
I do not think that he has as yet reached the utmost extreme of misery.
Then who is more miserable?
One of whom I am about to speak.
Who is that?
He who is of a tyrannical nature, and instead of leading a private life has
been cursed with the further misfortune of being a public tyrant.
From what has been said, I gather that you are right.
Yes, I replied, but in this high argument you should be a little more
certain, and should not conjecture only; for of all questions, this respecting
good and evil is the greatest.
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Let me then offer you an illustration, which may, I think, throw a light
upon this subject.
What is your illustration?
The case of rich individuals in cities who possess many slaves: from
them you may form an idea of the tyrant’s condition, for they both have
slaves; the only difference is that he has more slaves.
Yes, that is the difference.
You know that they live securely and have nothing to apprehend from
their servants?
What should they fear?
Nothing. But do you observe the reason of this?
Yes; the reason is, that the whole city is leagued together for the
protection of each individual.
Very true, I said. But imagine one of these owners, the master say of
some fifty slaves, together with his family and property and slaves, carried
off by a god into the wilderness, where there are no freemen to help him—
will he not be in an agony of fear lest he and his wife and children should
be put to death by his slaves?
Yes, he said, he will be in the utmost fear.
The time has arrived when he will be compelled to flatter divers of his
slaves, and make many promises to them of freedom and other things, much
against his will—he will have to cajole his own servants.
Yes, he said, that will be the only way of saving himself.
And suppose the same god, who carried him away, to surround him with
neighbours who will not suffer one man to be the master of another, and
who, if they could catch the offender, would take his life?
His case will be still worse, if you suppose him to be everywhere
surrounded and watched by enemies.
And is not this the sort of prison in which the tyrant will be bound—he
who being by nature such as we have described, is full of all sorts of fears
and lusts? His soul is dainty and greedy, and yet alone, of all men in the
city, he is never allowed to go on a journey, or to see the things which other
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house, and is jealous of any other citizen who goes into foreign parts and
sees anything of interest.
Very true, he said.
And amid evils such as these will not he who is ill-governed in his own
person—the tyrannical man, I mean—whom you just now decided to be the
most miserable of all—will not he be yet more miserable when, instead of
leading a private life, he is constrained by fortune to be a public tyrant? He
has to be master of others when he is not master of himself: he is like a
diseased or paralytic man who is compelled to pass his life, not in
retirement, but fighting and combating with other men.
Yes, he said, the similitude is most exact.
Is not his case utterly miserable? and does not the actual tyrant lead a
worse life than he whose life you determined to be the worst?
Certainly.
He who is the real tyrant, whatever men may think, is the real slave, and
is obliged to practise the greatest adulation and servility, and to be the
flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires which he is utterly unable
to satisfy, and has more wants than any one, and is truly poor, if you know
how to inspect the whole soul of him: all his life long he is beset with fear
and is full of convulsions and distractions, even as the State which he
resembles: and surely the resemblance holds?
Very true, he said.
Moreover, as we were saying before, he grows worse from having power:
he becomes and is of necessity more jealous, more faithless, more unjust,
more friendless, more impious, than he was at first; he is the purveyor and
cherisher of every sort of vice, and the consequence is that he is supremely
miserable, and that he makes everybody else as miserable as himself.
No man of any sense will dispute your words.
Come then, I said, and as the general umpire in theatrical contests
proclaims the result, do you also decide who in your opinion is first in the
scale of happiness, and who second, and in what order the others follow:
there are five of them in all—they are the royal, timocratical, oligarchical,
democratical, tyrannical.
The decision will be easily given, he replied; they shall be choruses
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by the criterion of virtue and vice, happiness and misery.
Need we hire a herald, or shall I announce, that the son of Ariston (the
best) has decided that the best and justest is also the happiest, and that this
is he who is the most royal man and king over himself; and that the worst
and most unjust man is also the most miserable, and that this is he who
being the greatest tyrant of himself is also the greatest tyrant of his State?
Make the proclamation yourself, he said.
And shall I add, ‘whether seen or unseen by gods and men’?
Let the words be added.
Then this, I said, will be our first proof; and there is another, which may
also have some weight.
What is that?
The second proof is derived from the nature of the soul: seeing that the
individual soul, like the State, has been divided by us into three principles,
the division may, I think, furnish a new demonstration.
Of what nature?
It seems to me that to these three principles three pleasures correspond;
also three desires and governing powers.
How do you mean? he said.
There is one principle with which, as we were saying, a man learns,
another with which he is angry; the third, having many forms, has no
special name, but is denoted by the general term appetitive, from the
extraordinary strength and vehemence of the desires of eating and drinking
and the other sensual appetites which are the main elements of it; also
money-loving, because such desires are generally satisfied by the help of
money.
That is true, he said.
If we were to say that the loves and pleasures of this third part were
concerned with gain, we should then be able to fall back on a single notion;
and might truly and intelligibly describe this part of the soul as loving gain
or money.
I agree with you.
Again, is not the passionate element wholly set on ruling and conquering
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True.
Suppose we call it the contentious or ambitious—would the term be
suitable?
Extremely suitable.
On the other hand, every one sees that the principle of knowledge is
wholly directed to the truth, and cares less than either of the others for gain
or fame.
Far less.
‘Lover of wisdom,’ ‘lover of knowledge,’ are titles which we may fitly
apply to that part of the soul?
Certainly.
One principle prevails in the souls of one class of men, another in others,
as may happen?
Yes.
Then we may begin by assuming that there are three classes of men—
lovers of wisdom, lovers of honour, lovers of gain?
Exactly.
And there are three kinds of pleasure, which are their several objects?
Very true.
Now, if you examine the three classes of men, and ask of them in turn
which of their lives is pleasantest, each will be found praising his own and
depreciating that of others: the money-maker will contrast the vanity of
honour or of learning if they bring no money with the solid advantages of
gold and silver?
True, he said.
And the lover of honour—what will be his opinion? Will he not think that
the pleasure of riches is vulgar, while the pleasure of learning, if it brings no
distinction, is all smoke and nonsense to him?
Very true.
And are we to suppose, I said, that the philosopher sets any value on
other pleasures in comparison with the pleasure of knowing the truth, and in
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pleasure? Does he not call the other pleasures necessary, under the idea that
if there were no necessity for them, he would rather not have them?
There can be no doubt of that, he replied.
Since, then, the pleasures of each class and the life of each are in dispute,
and the question is not which life is more or less honourable, or better or
worse, but which is the more pleasant or painless—how shall we know who
speaks truly?
I cannot myself tell, he said.
Well, but what ought to be the criterion? Is any better than experience
and wisdom and reason?
There cannot be a better, he said.
Then, I said, reflect. Of the three individuals, which has the greatest
experience of all the pleasures which we enumerated? Has the lover of gain,
in learning the nature of essential truth, greater experience of the pleasure of
knowledge than the philosopher has of the pleasure of gain?
The philosopher, he replied, has greatly the advantage; for he has of
necessity always known the taste of the other pleasures from his childhood
upwards: but the lover of gain in all his experience has not of necessity
tasted—or, I should rather say, even had he desired, could hardly have
tasted—the sweetness of learning and knowing truth.
Then the lover of wisdom has a great advantage over the lover of gain,
for he has a double experience?
Yes, very great.
Again, has he greater experience of the pleasures of honour, or the lover
of honour of the pleasures of wisdom?
Nay, he said, all three are honoured in proportion as they attain their
object; for the rich man and the brave man and the wise man alike have
their crowd of admirers, and as they all receive honour they all have
experience of the pleasures of honour; but the delight which is to be found
in the knowledge of true being is known to the philosopher only.
His experience, then, will enable him to judge better than any one?
Far better.
And he is the only one who has wisdom as well as experience?
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Further, the very faculty which is the instrument of judgment is not
possessed by the covetous or ambitious man, but only by the philosopher?
What faculty?
Reason, with whom, as we were saying, the decision ought to rest.
Yes.
And reasoning is peculiarly his instrument?
Certainly.
If wealth and gain were the criterion, then the praise or blame of the lover
of gain would surely be the most trustworthy?
Assuredly.
Or if honour or victory or courage, in that case the judgment of the
ambitious or pugnacious would be the truest?
Clearly.
But since experience and wisdom and reason are the judges—
The only inference possible, he replied, is that pleasures which are
approved by the lover of wisdom and reason are the truest.
And so we arrive at the result, that the pleasure of the intelligent part of
the soul is the pleasantest of the three, and that he of us in whom this is the
ruling principle has the pleasantest life.
Unquestionably, he said, the wise man speaks with authority when he
approves of his own life.
And what does the judge affirm to be the life which is next, and the
pleasure which is next?
Clearly that of the soldier and lover of honour; who is nearer to himself
than the money-maker.
Last comes the lover of gain?
Very true, he said.
Twice in succession, then, has the just man overthrown the unjust in this
conflict; and now comes the third trial, which is dedicated to Olympian
Zeus the saviour: a sage whispers in my ear that no pleasure except that of
the wise is quite true and pure—all others are a shadow only; and surely
this will prove the greatest and most decisive of falls?
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I will work out the subject and you shall answer my questions.
Proceed.
Say, then, is not pleasure opposed to pain?
True.
And there is a neutral state which is neither pleasure nor pain?
There is.
A state which is intermediate, and a sort of repose of the soul about either
—that is what you mean?
Yes.
You remember what people say when they are sick?
What do they say?
That after all nothing is pleasanter than health. But then they never knew
this to be the greatest of pleasures until they were ill.
Yes, I know, he said.
And when persons are suffering from acute pain, you must have heard
them say that there is nothing pleasanter than to get rid of their pain?
I have.
And there are many other cases of suffering in which the mere rest and
cessation of pain, and not any positive enjoyment, is extolled by them as the
greatest pleasure?
Yes, he said; at the time they are pleased and well content to be at rest.
Again, when pleasure ceases, that sort of rest or cessation will be
painful?
Doubtless, he said.
Then the intermediate state of rest will be pleasure and will also be pain?
So it would seem.
But can that which is neither become both?
I should say not.
And both pleasure and pain are motions of the soul, are they not?
Yes.
But that which is neither was just now shown to be rest and not motion,
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Yes.
How, then, can we be right in supposing that the absence of pain is
pleasure, or that the absence of pleasure is pain?
Impossible.
This then is an appearance only and not a reality; that is to say, the rest is
pleasure at the moment and in comparison of what is painful, and painful in
comparison of what is pleasant; but all these representations, when tried by
the test of true pleasure, are not real but a sort of imposition?
That is the inference.
Look at the other class of pleasures which have no antecedent pains and
you will no longer suppose, as you perhaps may at present, that pleasure is
only the cessation of pain, or pain of pleasure.
What are they, he said, and where shall I find them?
There are many of them: take as an example the pleasures of smell,
which are very great and have no antecedent pains; they come in a moment,
and when they depart leave no pain behind them.
Most true, he said.
Let us not, then, be induced to believe that pure pleasure is the cessation
of pain, or pain of pleasure.
No.
Still, the more numerous and violent pleasures which reach the soul
through the body are generally of this sort—they are reliefs of pain.
That is true.
And the anticipations of future pleasures and pains are of a like nature?
Yes.
Shall I give you an illustration of them?
Let me hear.
You would allow, I said, that there is in nature an upper and lower and
middle region?
I should.
And if a person were to go from the lower to the middle region, would he
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sees whence he has come, would imagine that he is already in the upper
region, if he has never seen the true upper world?
To be sure, he said; how can he think otherwise?
But if he were taken back again he would imagine, and truly imagine,
that he was descending?
No doubt.
All that would arise out of his ignorance of the true upper and middle and
lower regions?
Yes.
Then can you wonder that persons who are inexperienced in the truth, as
they have wrong ideas about many other things, should also have wrong
ideas about pleasure and pain and the intermediate state; so that when they
are only being drawn towards the painful they feel pain and think the pain
which they experience to be real, and in like manner, when drawn away
from pain to the neutral or intermediate state, they firmly believe that they
have reached the goal of satiety and pleasure; they, not knowing pleasure,
err in contrasting pain with the absence of pain, which is like contrasting
black with grey instead of white—can you wonder, I say, at this?
No, indeed; I should be much more disposed to wonder at the opposite.
Look at the matter thus:—Hunger, thirst, and the like, are inanitions of
the bodily state?
Yes.
And ignorance and folly are inanitions of the soul?
True.
And food and wisdom are the corresponding satisfactions of either?
Certainly.
And is the satisfaction derived from that which has less or from that
which has more existence the truer?
Clearly, from that which has more.
What classes of things have a greater share of pure existence in your
judgment—those of which food and drink and condiments and all kinds of
sustenance are examples, or the class which contains true opinion and
knowledge and mind and all the different kinds of virtue? Put the question
in this way:—Which has a more pure being—that which is concerned with

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the invariable, the immortal, and the true, and is of such a nature, and is
found in such natures; or that which is concerned with and found in the
variable and mortal, and is itself variable and mortal?
Far purer, he replied, is the being of that which is concerned with the
invariable.
And does the essence of the invariable partake of knowledge in the same
degree as of essence?
Yes, of knowledge in the same degree.
And of truth in the same degree?
Yes.
And, conversely, that which has less of truth will also have less of
essence?
Necessarily.
Then, in general, those kinds of things which are in the service of the
body have less of truth and essence than those which are in the service of
the soul?
Far less.
And has not the body itself less of truth and essence than the soul?
Yes.
What is filled with more real existence, and actually has a more real
existence, is more really filled than that which is filled with less real
existence and is less real?
Of course.
And if there be a pleasure in being filled with that which is according to
nature, that which is more really filled with more real being will more really
and truly enjoy true pleasure; whereas that which participates in less real
being will be less truly and surely satisfied, and will participate in an
illusory and less real pleasure?
Unquestionably.
Those then who know not wisdom and virtue, and are always busy with
gluttony and sensuality, go down and up again as far as the mean; and in
this region they move at random throughout life, but they never pass into
the true upper world; thither they neither look, nor do they ever find their
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and abiding pleasure. Like cattle, with their eyes always looking down and
their heads stooping to the earth, that is, to the dining-table, they fatten and
feed and breed, and, in their excessive love of these delights, they kick and
butt at one another with horns and hoofs which are made of iron; and they
kill one another by reason of their insatiable lust. For they fill themselves
with that which is not substantial, and the part of themselves which they fill
is also unsubstantial and incontinent.
Verily, Socrates, said Glaucon, you describe the life of the many like an
oracle.
Their pleasures are mixed with pains—how can they be otherwise? For
they are mere shadows and pictures of the true, and are coloured by
contrast, which exaggerates both light and shade, and so they implant in the
minds of fools insane desires of themselves; and they are fought about as
Stesichorus says that the Greeks fought about the shadow of Helen at Troy
in ignorance of the truth.
Something of that sort must inevitably happen.
And must not the like happen with the spirited or passionate element of
the soul? Will not the passionate man who carries his passion into action, be
in the like case, whether he is envious and ambitious, or violent and
contentious, or angry and discontented, if he be seeking to attain honour
and victory and the satisfaction of his anger without reason or sense?
Yes, he said, the same will happen with the spirited element also.
Then may we not confidently assert that the lovers of money and honour,
when they seek their pleasures under the guidance and in the company of
reason and knowledge, and pursue after and win the pleasures which
wisdom shows them, will also have the truest pleasures in the highest
degree which is attainable to them, inasmuch as they follow truth; and they
will have the pleasures which are natural to them, if that which is best for
each one is also most natural to him?
Yes, certainly; the best is the most natural.
And when the whole soul follows the philosophical principle, and there is
no division, the several parts are just, and do each of them their own
business, and enjoy severally the best and truest pleasures of which they are
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But when either of the two other principles prevails, it fails in attaining
its own pleasure, and compels the rest to pursue after a pleasure which is a
shadow only and which is not their own?
True.
And the greater the interval which separates them from philosophy and
reason, the more strange and illusive will be the pleasure?
Yes.
And is not that farthest from reason which is at the greatest distance from
law and order?
Clearly.
And the lustful and tyrannical desires are, as we saw, at the greatest
distance? Yes.
And the royal and orderly desires are nearest?
Yes.
Then the tyrant will live at the greatest distance from true or natural
pleasure, and the king at the least?
Certainly.
But if so, the tyrant will live most unpleasantly, and the king most
pleasantly?
Inevitably.
Would you know the measure of the interval which separates them?
Will you tell me?
There appear to be three pleasures, one genuine and two spurious: now
the transgression of the tyrant reaches a point beyond the spurious; he has
run away from the region of law and reason, and taken up his abode with
certain slave pleasures which are his satellites, and the measure of his
inferiority can only be expressed in a figure.
How do you mean?
I assume, I said, that the tyrant is in the third place from the oligarch; the
democrat was in the middle?
Yes.
And if there is truth in what has preceded, he will be wedded to an image
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oligarch?
He will.
And the oligarch is third from the royal; since we count as one royal and
aristocratical?
Yes, he is third.
Then the tyrant is removed from true pleasure by the space of a number
which is three times three?
Manifestly.
The shadow then of tyrannical pleasure determined by the number of
length will be a plane figure.
Certainly.
And if you raise the power and make the plane a solid, there is no
difficulty in seeing how vast is the interval by which the tyrant is parted
from the king.
Yes; the arithmetician will easily do the sum.
Or if some person begins at the other end and measures the interval by
which the king is parted from the tyrant in truth of pleasure, he will find
him, when the multiplication is completed, living 729 times more
pleasantly, and the tyrant more painfully by this same interval.
What a wonderful calculation! And how enormous is the distance which
separates the just from the unjust in regard to pleasure and pain!
Yet a true calculation, I said, and a number which nearly concerns human
life, if human beings are concerned with days and nights and months and
years. (729 NEARLY equals the number of days and nights in the year.)
Yes, he said, human life is certainly concerned with them.
Then if the good and just man be thus superior in pleasure to the evil and
unjust, his superiority will be infinitely greater in propriety of life and in
beauty and virtue?
Immeasurably greater.
Well, I said, and now having arrived at this stage of the argument, we
may revert to the words which brought us hither: Was not some one saying
that injustice was a gain to the perfectly unjust who was reputed to be just?
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Now then, having determined the power and quality of justice and
injustice, let us have a little conversation with him.
What shall we say to him?
Let us make an image of the soul, that he may have his own words
presented before his eyes.
Of what sort?
An ideal image of the soul, like the composite creations of ancient
mythology, such as the Chimera or Scylla or Cerberus, and there are many
others in which two or more different natures are said to grow into one.
There are said of have been such unions.
Then do you now model the form of a multitudinous, many-headed
monster, having a ring of heads of all manner of beasts, tame and wild,
which he is able to generate and metamorphose at will.
You suppose marvellous powers in the artist; but, as language is more
pliable than wax or any similar substance, let there be such a model as you
propose.
Suppose now that you make a second form as of a lion, and a third of a
man, the second smaller than the first, and the third smaller than the second.
That, he said, is an easier task; and I have made them as you say.
And now join them, and let the three grow into one.
That has been accomplished.
Next fashion the outside of them into a single image, as of a man, so that
he who is not able to look within, and sees only the outer hull, may believe
the beast to be a single human creature.
I have done so, he said.
And now, to him who maintains that it is profitable for the human
creature to be unjust, and unprofitable to be just, let us reply that, if he be
right, it is profitable for this creature to feast the multitudinous monster and
strengthen the lion and the lion-like qualities, but to starve and weaken the
man, who is consequently liable to be dragged about at the mercy of either
of the other two; and he is not to attempt to familiarize or harmonize them
with one another—he ought rather to suffer them to fight and bite and
devour one another.
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To him the supporter of justice makes answer that he should ever so
speak and act as to give the man within him in some way or other the most
complete mastery over the entire human creature. He should watch over the
many-headed monster like a good husbandman, fostering and cultivating
the gentle qualities, and preventing the wild ones from growing; he should
be making the lion-heart his ally, and in common care of them all should be
uniting the several parts with one another and with himself.
Yes, he said, that is quite what the maintainer of justice say.
And so from every point of view, whether of pleasure, honour, or
advantage, the approver of justice is right and speaks the truth, and the
disapprover is wrong and false and ignorant?
Yes, from every point of view.
Come, now, and let us gently reason with the unjust, who is not
intentionally in error. ‘Sweet Sir,’ we will say to him, ‘what think you of
things esteemed noble and ignoble? Is not the noble that which subjects the
beast to the man, or rather to the god in man; and the ignoble that which
subjects the man to the beast?’ He can hardly avoid saying Yes—can he
now?
Not if he has any regard for my opinion.
But, if he agree so far, we may ask him to answer another question:
‘Then how would a man profit if he received gold and silver on the
condition that he was to enslave the noblest part of him to the worst? Who
can imagine that a man who sold his son or daughter into slavery for
money, especially if he sold them into the hands of fierce and evil men,
would be the gainer, however large might be the sum which he received?
And will any one say that he is not a miserable caitiff who remorselessly
sells his own divine being to that which is most godless and detestable?
Eriphyle took the necklace as the price of her husband’s life, but he is
taking a bribe in order to compass a worse ruin.’
Yes, said Glaucon, far worse—I will answer for him.
Has not the intemperate been censured of old, because in him the huge
multiform monster is allowed to be too much at large?
Clearly.
And men are blamed for pride and bad temper when the lion and serpent
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Yes.
And luxury and softness are blamed, because they relax and weaken this
same creature, and make a coward of him?
Very true.
And is not a man reproached for flattery and meanness who subordinates
the spirited animal to the unruly monster, and, for the sake of money, of
which he can never have enough, habituates him in the days of his youth to
be trampled in the mire, and from being a lion to become a monkey?
True, he said.
And why are mean employments and manual arts a reproach? Only
because they imply a natural weakness of the higher principle; the
individual is unable to control the creatures within him, but has to court
them, and his great study is how to flatter them.
Such appears to be the reason.
And therefore, being desirous of placing him under a rule like that of the
best, we say that he ought to be the servant of the best, in whom the Divine
rules; not, as Thrasymachus supposed, to the injury of the servant, but
because every one had better be ruled by divine wisdom dwelling within
him; or, if this be impossible, then by an external authority, in order that we
may be all, as far as possible, under the same government, friends and
equals.
True, he said.
And this is clearly seen to be the intention of the law, which is the ally of
the whole city; and is seen also in the authority which we exercise over
children, and the refusal to let them be free until we have established in
them a principle analogous to the constitution of a state, and by cultivation
of this higher element have set up in their hearts a guardian and ruler like
our own, and when this is done they may go their ways.
Yes, he said, the purpose of the law is manifest.
From what point of view, then, and on what ground can we say that a
man is profited by injustice or intemperance or other baseness, which will
make him a worse man, even though he acquire money or power by his
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What shall he profit, if his injustice be undetected and unpunished? He
who is undetected only gets worse, whereas he who is detected and
punished has the brutal part of his nature silenced and humanized; the
gentler element in him is liberated, and his whole soul is perfected and
ennobled by the acquirement of justice and temperance and wisdom, more
than the body ever is by receiving gifts of beauty, strength and health, in
proportion as the soul is more honourable than the body.
Certainly, he said.
To this nobler purpose the man of understanding will devote the energies
of his life. And in the first place, he will honour studies which impress these
qualities on his soul and will disregard others?
Clearly, he said.
In the next place, he will regulate his bodily habit and training, and so far
will he be from yielding to brutal and irrational pleasures, that he will
regard even health as quite a secondary matter; his first object will be not
that he may be fair or strong or well, unless he is likely thereby to gain
temperance, but he will always desire so to attemper the body as to preserve
the harmony of the soul?
Certainly he will, if he has true music in him.
And in the acquisition of wealth there is a principle of order and harmony
which he will also observe; he will not allow himself to be dazzled by the
foolish applause of the world, and heap up riches to his own infinite harm?
Certainly not, he said.
He will look at the city which is within him, and take heed that no
disorder occur in it, such as might arise either from superfluity or from
want; and upon this principle he will regulate his property and gain or spend
according to his means.
Very true.
And, for the same reason, he will gladly accept and enjoy such honours
as he deems likely to make him a better man; but those, whether private or
public, which are likely to disorder his life, he will avoid?
Then, if that is his motive, he will not be a statesman.
By the dog of Egypt, he will! in the city which is his own he certainly
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call.
I understand; you mean that he will be a ruler in the city of which we are
the founders, and which exists in idea only; for I do not believe that there is
such an one anywhere on earth?
In heaven, I replied, there is laid up a pattern of it, methinks, which he
who desires may behold, and beholding, may set his own house in order.
But whether such an one exists, or ever will exist in fact, is no matter; for
he will live after the manner of that city, having nothing to do with any
other.
I think so, he said.

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BOOK X.

Of the many excellences which I perceive in the order of our State, there
is none which upon reflection pleases me better than the rule about poetry.
To what do you refer?
To the rejection of imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be
received; as I see far more clearly now that the parts of the soul have been
distinguished.
What do you mean?
Speaking in confidence, for I should not like to have my words repeated
to the tragedians and the rest of the imitative tribe—but I do not mind
saying to you, that all poetical imitations are ruinous to the understanding of
the hearers, and that the knowledge of their true nature is the only antidote
to them.
Explain the purport of your remark.
Well, I will tell you, although I have always from my earliest youth had
an awe and love of Homer, which even now makes the words falter on my
lips, for he is the great captain and teacher of the whole of that charming
tragic company; but a man is not to be reverenced more than the truth, and
therefore I will speak out.
Very good, he said.
Listen to me then, or rather, answer me.
Put your question.
Can you tell me what imitation is? for I really do not know.
A likely thing, then, that I should know.
Why not? for the duller eye may often see a thing sooner than the keener.
Very true, he said; but in your presence, even if I had any faint notion, I
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Well then, shall we begin the enquiry in our usual manner: Whenever a
number of individuals have a common name, we assume them to have also
a corresponding idea or form:—do you understand me?
I do.
Let us take any common instance; there are beds and tables in the world
—plenty of them, are there not?
Yes.
But there are only two ideas or forms of them—one the idea of a bed, the
other of a table.
True.
And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our
use, in accordance with the idea—that is our way of speaking in this and
similar instances—but no artificer makes the ideas themselves: how could
he?
Impossible.
And there is another artist,—I should like to know what you would say of
him.
Who is he?
One who is the maker of all the works of all other workmen.
What an extraordinary man!
Wait a little, and there will be more reason for your saying so. For this is
he who is able to make not only vessels of every kind, but plants and
animals, himself and all other things—the earth and heaven, and the things
which are in heaven or under the earth; he makes the gods also.
He must be a wizard and no mistake.
Oh! you are incredulous, are you? Do you mean that there is no such
maker or creator, or that in one sense there might be a maker of all these
things but in another not? Do you see that there is a way in which you could
make them all yourself?
What way?
An easy way enough; or rather, there are many ways in which the feat
might be quickly and easily accomplished, none quicker than that of turning
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heavens, and the earth and yourself, and other animals and plants, and all
the other things of which we were just now speaking, in the mirror.
Yes, he said; but they would be appearances only.
Very good, I said, you are coming to the point now. And the painter too
is, as I conceive, just such another—a creator of appearances, is he not?
Of course.
But then I suppose you will say that what he creates is untrue. And yet
there is a sense in which the painter also creates a bed?
Yes, he said, but not a real bed.
And what of the maker of the bed? were you not saying that he too
makes, not the idea which, according to our view, is the essence of the bed,
but only a particular bed?
Yes, I did.
Then if he does not make that which exists he cannot make true
existence, but only some semblance of existence; and if any one were to say
that the work of the maker of the bed, or of any other workman, has real
existence, he could hardly be supposed to be speaking the truth.
At any rate, he replied, philosophers would say that he was not speaking
the truth.
No wonder, then, that his work too is an indistinct expression of truth.
No wonder.
Suppose now that by the light of the examples just offered we enquire
who this imitator is?
If you please.
Well then, here are three beds: one existing in nature, which is made by
God, as I think that we may say—for no one else can be the maker?
No.
There is another which is the work of the carpenter?
Yes.
And the work of the painter is a third?
Yes.
Beds, then, are of three kinds, and there are three artists who superintend
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Yes, there are three of them.
God, whether from choice or from necessity, made one bed in nature and
one only; two or more such ideal beds neither ever have been nor ever will
be made by God.
Why is that?
Because even if He had made but two, a third would still appear behind
them which both of them would have for their idea, and that would be the
ideal bed and not the two others.
Very true, he said.
God knew this, and He desired to be the real maker of a real bed, not a
particular maker of a particular bed, and therefore He created a bed which is
essentially and by nature one only.
So we believe.
Shall we, then, speak of Him as the natural author or maker of the bed?
Yes, he replied; inasmuch as by the natural process of creation He is the
author of this and of all other things.
And what shall we say of the carpenter—is not he also the maker of the
bed?
Yes.
But would you call the painter a creator and maker?
Certainly not.
Yet if he is not the maker, what is he in relation to the bed?
I think, he said, that we may fairly designate him as the imitator of that
which the others make.
Good, I said; then you call him who is third in the descent from nature an
imitator?
Certainly, he said.
And the tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other imitators,
he is thrice removed from the king and from the truth?
That appears to be so.
Then about the imitator we are agreed. And what about the painter?—I
would like to know whether he may be thought to imitate that which
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The latter.
As they are or as they appear? you have still to determine this.
What do you mean?
I mean, that you may look at a bed from different points of view,
obliquely or directly or from any other point of view, and the bed will
appear different, but there is no difference in reality. And the same of all
things.
Yes, he said, the difference is only apparent.
Now let me ask you another question: Which is the art of painting
designed to be—an imitation of things as they are, or as they appear—of
appearance or of reality?
Of appearance.
Then the imitator, I said, is a long way off the truth, and can do all things
because he lightly touches on a small part of them, and that part an image.
For example: A painter will paint a cobbler, carpenter, or any other artist,
though he knows nothing of their arts; and, if he is a good artist, he may
deceive children or simple persons, when he shows them his picture of a
carpenter from a distance, and they will fancy that they are looking at a real
carpenter.
Certainly.
And whenever any one informs us that he has found a man who knows
all the arts, and all things else that anybody knows, and every single thing
with a higher degree of accuracy than any other man—whoever tells us this,
I think that we can only imagine him to be a simple creature who is likely to
have been deceived by some wizard or actor whom he met, and whom he
thought all-knowing, because he himself was unable to analyse the nature
of knowledge and ignorance and imitation.
Most true.
And so, when we hear persons saying that the tragedians, and Homer,
who is at their head, know all the arts and all things human, virtue as well
as vice, and divine things too, for that the good poet cannot compose well
unless he knows his subject, and that he who has not this knowledge can
never be a poet, we ought to consider whether here also there may not be a
similar illusion. Perhaps they may have come across imitators and been
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works that these were but imitations thrice removed from the truth, and
could easily be made without any knowledge of the truth, because they are
appearances only and not realities? Or, after all, they may be in the right,
and poets do really know the things about which they seem to the many to
speak so well?
The question, he said, should by all means be considered.
Now do you suppose that if a person were able to make the original as
well as the image, he would seriously devote himself to the image-making
branch? Would he allow imitation to be the ruling principle of his life, as if
he had nothing higher in him?
I should say not.
The real artist, who knew what he was imitating, would be interested in
realities and not in imitations; and would desire to leave as memorials of
himself works many and fair; and, instead of being the author of
encomiums, he would prefer to be the theme of them.
Yes, he said, that would be to him a source of much greater honour and
profit.
Then, I said, we must put a question to Homer; not about medicine, or
any of the arts to which his poems only incidentally refer: we are not going
to ask him, or any other poet, whether he has cured patients like Asclepius,
or left behind him a school of medicine such as the Asclepiads were, or
whether he only talks about medicine and other arts at second-hand; but we
have a right to know respecting military tactics, politics, education, which
are the chiefest and noblest subjects of his poems, and we may fairly ask
him about them. ‘Friend Homer,’ then we say to him, ‘if you are only in the
second remove from truth in what you say of virtue, and not in the third—
not an image maker or imitator—and if you are able to discern what
pursuits make men better or worse in private or public life, tell us what
State was ever better governed by your help? The good order of
Lacedaemon is due to Lycurgus, and many other cities great and small have
been similarly benefited by others; but who says that you have been a good
legislator to them and have done them any good? Italy and Sicily boast of
Charondas, and there is Solon who is renowned among us; but what city has
anything to say about you?’ Is there any city which he might name?
I think not, said Glaucon; not even the Homerids themselves pretend that
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Well, but is there any war on record which was carried on successfully by
him, or aided by his counsels, when he was alive?
There is not.
Or is there any invention of his, applicable to the arts or to human life,
such as Thales the Milesian or Anacharsis the Scythian, and other ingenious
men have conceived, which is attributed to him?
There is absolutely nothing of the kind.
But, if Homer never did any public service, was he privately a guide or
teacher of any? Had he in his lifetime friends who loved to associate with
him, and who handed down to posterity an Homeric way of life, such as
was established by Pythagoras who was so greatly beloved for his wisdom,
and whose followers are to this day quite celebrated for the order which was
named after him?
Nothing of the kind is recorded of him. For surely, Socrates, Creophylus,
the companion of Homer, that child of flesh, whose name always makes us
laugh, might be more justly ridiculed for his stupidity, if, as is said, Homer
was greatly neglected by him and others in his own day when he was alive?
Yes, I replied, that is the tradition. But can you imagine, Glaucon, that if
Homer had really been able to educate and improve mankind—if he had
possessed knowledge and not been a mere imitator—can you imagine, I say,
that he would not have had many followers, and been honoured and loved
by them? Protagoras of Abdera, and Prodicus of Ceos, and a host of others,
have only to whisper to their contemporaries: ‘You will never be able to
manage either your own house or your own State until you appoint us to be
your ministers of education’—and this ingenious device of theirs has such
an effect in making men love them that their companions all but carry them
about on their shoulders. And is it conceivable that the contemporaries of
Homer, or again of Hesiod, would have allowed either of them to go about
as rhapsodists, if they had really been able to make mankind virtuous?
Would they not have been as unwilling to part with them as with gold, and
have compelled them to stay at home with them? Or, if the master would
not stay, then the disciples would have followed him about everywhere,
until they had got education enough?
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Then must we not infer that all these poetical individuals, beginning with
Homer, are only imitators; they copy images of virtue and the like, but the
truth they never reach? The poet is like a painter who, as we have already
observed, will make a likeness of a cobbler though he understands nothing
of cobbling; and his picture is good enough for those who know no more
than he does, and judge only by colours and figures.
Quite so.
In like manner the poet with his words and phrases may be said to lay on
the colours of the several arts, himself understanding their nature only
enough to imitate them; and other people, who are as ignorant as he is, and
judge only from his words, imagine that if he speaks of cobbling, or of
military tactics, or of anything else, in metre and harmony and rhythm, he
speaks very well—such is the sweet influence which melody and rhythm by
nature have. And I think that you must have observed again and again what
a poor appearance the tales of poets make when stripped of the colours
which music puts upon them, and recited in simple prose.
Yes, he said.
They are like faces which were never really beautiful, but only blooming;
and now the bloom of youth has passed away from them?
Exactly.
Here is another point: The imitator or maker of the image knows nothing
of true existence; he knows appearances only. Am I not right?
Yes.
Then let us have a clear understanding, and not be satisfied with half an
explanation.
Proceed.
Of the painter we say that he will paint reins, and he will paint a bit?
Yes.
And the worker in leather and brass will make them?
Certainly.
But does the painter know the right form of the bit and reins? Nay, hardly
even the workers in brass and leather who make them; only the horseman
who knows how to use them—he knows their right form.
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And may we not say the same of all things?
What?
That there are three arts which are concerned with all things: one which
uses, another which makes, a third which imitates them?
Yes.
And the excellence or beauty or truth of every structure, animate or
inanimate, and of every action of man, is relative to the use for which
nature or the artist has intended them.
True.
Then the user of them must have the greatest experience of them, and he
must indicate to the maker the good or bad qualities which develop
themselves in use; for example, the flute-player will tell the flute-maker
which of his flutes is satisfactory to the performer; he will tell him how he
ought to make them, and the other will attend to his instructions?
Of course.
The one knows and therefore speaks with authority about the goodness
and badness of flutes, while the other, confiding in him, will do what he is
told by him?
True.
The instrument is the same, but about the excellence or badness of it the
maker will only attain to a correct belief; and this he will gain from him
who knows, by talking to him and being compelled to hear what he has to
say, whereas the user will have knowledge?
True.
But will the imitator have either? Will he know from use whether or no
his drawing is correct or beautiful? or will he have right opinion from being
compelled to associate with another who knows and gives him instructions
about what he should draw?
Neither.
Then he will no more have true opinion than he will have knowledge
about the goodness or badness of his imitations?
I suppose not.
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Nay, very much the reverse.
And still he will go on imitating without knowing what makes a thing
good or bad, and may be expected therefore to imitate only that which
appears to be good to the ignorant multitude?
Just so.
Thus far then we are pretty well agreed that the imitator has no
knowledge worth mentioning of what he imitates. Imitation is only a kind
of play or sport, and the tragic poets, whether they write in Iambic or in
Heroic verse, are imitators in the highest degree?
Very true.
And now tell me, I conjure you, has not imitation been shown by us to be
concerned with that which is thrice removed from the truth?
Certainly.
And what is the faculty in man to which imitation is addressed?
What do you mean?
I will explain: The body which is large when seen near, appears small
when seen at a distance?
True.
And the same object appears straight when looked at out of the water,
and crooked when in the water; and the concave becomes convex, owing to
the illusion about colours to which the sight is liable. Thus every sort of
confusion is revealed within us; and this is that weakness of the human
mind on which the art of conjuring and of deceiving by light and shadow
and other ingenious devices imposes, having an effect upon us like magic.
True.
And the arts of measuring and numbering and weighing come to the
rescue of the human understanding—there is the beauty of them—and the
apparent greater or less, or more or heavier, no longer have the mastery over
us, but give way before calculation and measure and weight?
Most true.
And this, surely, must be the work of the calculating and rational
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And when this principle measures and certifies that some things are
equal, or that some are greater or less than others, there occurs an apparent
contradiction?
True.
But were we not saying that such a contradiction is impossible—the same
faculty cannot have contrary opinions at the same time about the same
thing?
Very true.
Then that part of the soul which has an opinion contrary to measure is not
the same with that which has an opinion in accordance with measure?
True.
And the better part of the soul is likely to be that which trusts to measure
and calculation?
Certainly.
And that which is opposed to them is one of the inferior principles of the
soul?
No doubt.
This was the conclusion at which I was seeking to arrive when I said that
painting or drawing, and imitation in general, when doing their own proper
work, are far removed from truth, and the companions and friends and
associates of a principle within us which is equally removed from reason,
and that they have no true or healthy aim.
Exactly.
The imitative art is an inferior who marries an inferior, and has inferior
offspring.
Very true.
And is this confined to the sight only, or does it extend to the hearing
also, relating in fact to what we term poetry?
Probably the same would be true of poetry.
Do not rely, I said, on a probability derived from the analogy of painting;
but let us examine further and see whether the faculty with which poetical
imitation is concerned is good or bad.
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We may state the question thus:—Imitation imitates the actions of men,
whether voluntary or involuntary, on which, as they imagine, a good or bad
result has ensued, and they rejoice or sorrow accordingly. Is there anything
more?
No, there is nothing else.
But in all this variety of circumstances is the man at unity with himself—
or rather, as in the instance of sight there was confusion and opposition in
his opinions about the same things, so here also is there not strife and
inconsistency in his life? Though I need hardly raise the question again, for
I remember that all this has been already admitted; and the soul has been
acknowledged by us to be full of these and ten thousand similar oppositions
occurring at the same moment?
And we were right, he said.
Yes, I said, thus far we were right; but there was an omission which must
now be supplied.
What was the omission?
Were we not saying that a good man, who has the misfortune to lose his
son or anything else which is most dear to him, will bear the loss with more
equanimity than another?
Yes.
But will he have no sorrow, or shall we say that although he cannot help
sorrowing, he will moderate his sorrow?
The latter, he said, is the truer statement.
Tell me: will he be more likely to struggle and hold out against his
sorrow when he is seen by his equals, or when he is alone?
It will make a great difference whether he is seen or not.
When he is by himself he will not mind saying or doing many things
which he would be ashamed of any one hearing or seeing him do?
True.
There is a principle of law and reason in him which bids him resist, as
well as a feeling of his misfortune which is forcing him to indulge his
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But when a man is drawn in two opposite directions, to and from the
same object, this, as we affirm, necessarily implies two distinct principles in
him?
Certainly.
One of them is ready to follow the guidance of the law?
How do you mean?
The law would say that to be patient under suffering is best, and that we
should not give way to impatience, as there is no knowing whether such
things are good or evil; and nothing is gained by impatience; also, because
no human thing is of serious importance, and grief stands in the way of that
which at the moment is most required.
What is most required? he asked.
That we should take counsel about what has happened, and when the dice
have been thrown order our affairs in the way which reason deems best; not,
like children who have had a fall, keeping hold of the part struck and
wasting time in setting up a howl, but always accustoming the soul
forthwith to apply a remedy, raising up that which is sickly and fallen,
banishing the cry of sorrow by the healing art.
Yes, he said, that is the true way of meeting the attacks of fortune.
Yes, I said; and the higher principle is ready to follow this suggestion of
reason?
Clearly.
And the other principle, which inclines us to recollection of our troubles
and to lamentation, and can never have enough of them, we may call
irrational, useless, and cowardly?
Indeed, we may.
And does not the latter—I mean the rebellious principle—furnish a great
variety of materials for imitation? Whereas the wise and calm temperament,
being always nearly equable, is not easy to imitate or to appreciate when
imitated, especially at a public festival when a promiscuous crowd is
assembled in a theatre. For the feeling represented is one to which they are
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Then the imitative poet who aims at being popular is not by nature made,
nor is his art intended, to please or to affect the rational principle in the
soul; but he will prefer the passionate and fitful temper, which is easily
imitated?
Clearly.
And now we may fairly take him and place him by the side of the painter,
for he is like him in two ways: first, inasmuch as his creations have an
inferior degree of truth—in this, I say, he is like him; and he is also like him
in being concerned with an inferior part of the soul; and therefore we shall
be right in refusing to admit him into a well-ordered State, because he
awakens and nourishes and strengthens the feelings and impairs the reason.
As in a city when the evil are permitted to have authority and the good are
put out of the way, so in the soul of man, as we maintain, the imitative poet
implants an evil constitution, for he indulges the irrational nature which has
no discernment of greater and less, but thinks the same thing at one time
great and at another small—he is a manufacturer of images and is very far
removed from the truth.
Exactly.
But we have not yet brought forward the heaviest count in our
accusation:—the power which poetry has of harming even the good (and
there are very few who are not harmed), is surely an awful thing?
Yes, certainly, if the effect is what you say.
Hear and judge: The best of us, as I conceive, when we listen to a
passage of Homer, or one of the tragedians, in which he represents some
pitiful hero who is drawling out his sorrows in a long oration, or weeping,
and smiting his breast—the best of us, you know, delight in giving way to
sympathy, and are in raptures at the excellence of the poet who stirs our
feelings most.
Yes, of course I know.
But when any sorrow of our own happens to us, then you may observe
that we pride ourselves on the opposite quality—we would fain be quiet and
patient; this is the manly part, and the other which delighted us in the
recitation is now deemed to be the part of a woman.
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Now can we be right in praising and admiring another who is doing that
which any one of us would abominate and be ashamed of in his own
person?
No, he said, that is certainly not reasonable.
Nay, I said, quite reasonable from one point of view.
What point of view?
If you consider, I said, that when in misfortune we feel a natural hunger
and desire to relieve our sorrow by weeping and lamentation, and that this
feeling which is kept under control in our own calamities is satisfied and
delighted by the poets;—the better nature in each of us, not having been
sufficiently trained by reason or habit, allows the sympathetic element to
break loose because the sorrow is another’s; and the spectator fancies that
there can be no disgrace to himself in praising and pitying any one who
comes telling him what a good man he is, and making a fuss about his
troubles; he thinks that the pleasure is a gain, and why should he be
supercilious and lose this and the poem too? Few persons ever reflect, as I
should imagine, that from the evil of other men something of evil is
communicated to themselves. And so the feeling of sorrow which has
gathered strength at the sight of the misfortunes of others is with difficulty
repressed in our own.
How very true!
And does not the same hold also of the ridiculous? There are jests which
you would be ashamed to make yourself, and yet on the comic stage, or
indeed in private, when you hear them, you are greatly amused by them,
and are not at all disgusted at their unseemliness;—the case of pity is
repeated;—there is a principle in human nature which is disposed to raise a
laugh, and this which you once restrained by reason, because you were
afraid of being thought a buffoon, is now let out again; and having
stimulated the risible faculty at the theatre, you are betrayed unconsciously
to yourself into playing the comic poet at home.
Quite true, he said.
And the same may be said of lust and anger and all the other affections,
of desire and pain and pleasure, which are held to be inseparable from every
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drying them up; she lets them rule, although they ought to be controlled, if
mankind are ever to increase in happiness and virtue.
I cannot deny it.
Therefore, Glaucon, I said, whenever you meet with any of the eulogists
of Homer declaring that he has been the educator of Hellas, and that he is
profitable for education and for the ordering of human things, and that you
should take him up again and again and get to know him and regulate your
whole life according to him, we may love and honour those who say these
things—they are excellent people, as far as their lights extend; and we are
ready to acknowledge that Homer is the greatest of poets and first of
tragedy writers; but we must remain firm in our conviction that hymns to
the gods and praises of famous men are the only poetry which ought to be
admitted into our State. For if you go beyond this and allow the honeyed
muse to enter, either in epic or lyric verse, not law and the reason of
mankind, which by common consent have ever been deemed best, but
pleasure and pain will be the rulers in our State.
That is most true, he said.
And now since we have reverted to the subject of poetry, let this our
defence serve to show the reasonableness of our former judgment in
sending away out of our State an art having the tendencies which we have
described; for reason constrained us. But that she may not impute to us any
harshness or want of politeness, let us tell her that there is an ancient quarrel
between philosophy and poetry; of which there are many proofs, such as the
saying of ‘the yelping hound howling at her lord,’ or of one ‘mighty in the
vain talk of fools,’ and ‘the mob of sages circumventing Zeus,’ and the
‘subtle thinkers who are beggars after all’; and there are innumerable other
signs of ancient enmity between them. Notwithstanding this, let us assure
our sweet friend and the sister arts of imitation, that if she will only prove
her title to exist in a well-ordered State we shall be delighted to receive her
—we are very conscious of her charms; but we may not on that account
betray the truth. I dare say, Glaucon, that you are as much charmed by her
as I am, especially when she appears in Homer?
Yes, indeed, I am greatly charmed.
Shall I propose, then, that she be allowed to return from exile, but upon
this condition only—that she make a defence of herself in lyrical or some
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Certainly.
And we may further grant to those of her defenders who are lovers of
poetry and yet not poets the permission to speak in prose on her behalf: let
them show not only that she is pleasant but also useful to States and to
human life, and we will listen in a kindly spirit; for if this can be proved we
shall surely be the gainers—I mean, if there is a use in poetry as well as a
delight?
Certainly, he said, we shall be the gainers.
If her defence fails, then, my dear friend, like other persons who are
enamoured of something, but put a restraint upon themselves when they
think their desires are opposed to their interests, so too must we after the
manner of lovers give her up, though not without a struggle. We too are
inspired by that love of poetry which the education of noble States has
implanted in us, and therefore we would have her appear at her best and
truest; but so long as she is unable to make good her defence, this argument
of ours shall be a charm to us, which we will repeat to ourselves while we
listen to her strains; that we may not fall away into the childish love of her
which captivates the many. At all events we are well aware that poetry
being such as we have described is not to be regarded seriously as attaining
to the truth; and he who listens to her, fearing for the safety of the city
which is within him, should be on his guard against her seductions and
make our words his law.
Yes, he said, I quite agree with you.
Yes, I said, my dear Glaucon, for great is the issue at stake, greater than
appears, whether a man is to be good or bad. And what will any one be
profited if under the influence of honour or money or power, aye, or under
the excitement of poetry, he neglect justice and virtue?
Yes, he said; I have been convinced by the argument, as I believe that any
one else would have been.
And yet no mention has been made of the greatest prizes and rewards
which await virtue.
What, are there any greater still? If there are, they must be of an
inconceivable greatness.
Why, I said, what was ever great in a short time? The whole period of
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eternity?
Say rather ‘nothing,’ he replied.
And should an immortal being seriously think of this little space rather
than of the whole?
Of the whole, certainly. But why do you ask?
Are you not aware, I said, that the soul of man is immortal and
imperishable?
He looked at me in astonishment, and said: No, by heaven: And are you
really prepared to maintain this?
Yes, I said, I ought to be, and you too—there is no difficulty in proving it.
I see a great difficulty; but I should like to hear you state this argument of
which you make so light.
Listen then.
I am attending.
There is a thing which you call good and another which you call evil?
Yes, he replied.
Would you agree with me in thinking that the corrupting and destroying
element is the evil, and the saving and improving element the good?
Yes.
And you admit that every thing has a good and also an evil; as
ophthalmia is the evil of the eyes and disease of the whole body; as mildew
is of corn, and rot of timber, or rust of copper and iron: in everything, or in
almost everything, there is an inherent evil and disease?
Yes, he said.
And anything which is infected by any of these evils is made evil, and at
last wholly dissolves and dies?
True.
The vice and evil which is inherent in each is the destruction of each; and
if this does not destroy them there is nothing else that will; for good
certainly will not destroy them, nor again, that which is neither good nor
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If, then, we find any nature which having this inherent corruption cannot
be dissolved or destroyed, we may be certain that of such a nature there is
no destruction?
That may be assumed.
Well, I said, and is there no evil which corrupts the soul?
Yes, he said, there are all the evils which we were just now passing in
review: unrighteousness, intemperance, cowardice, ignorance.
But does any of these dissolve or destroy her?—and here do not let us
fall into the error of supposing that the unjust and foolish man, when he is
detected, perishes through his own injustice, which is an evil of the soul.
Take the analogy of the body: The evil of the body is a disease which
wastes and reduces and annihilates the body; and all the things of which we
were just now speaking come to annihilation through their own corruption
attaching to them and inhering in them and so destroying them. Is not this
true?
Yes.
Consider the soul in like manner. Does the injustice or other evil which
exists in the soul waste and consume her? Do they by attaching to the soul
and inhering in her at last bring her to death, and so separate her from the
body?
Certainly not.
And yet, I said, it is unreasonable to suppose that anything can perish
from without through affection of external evil which could not be
destroyed from within by a corruption of its own?
It is, he replied.
Consider, I said, Glaucon, that even the badness of food, whether
staleness, decomposition, or any other bad quality, when confined to the
actual food, is not supposed to destroy the body; although, if the badness of
food communicates corruption to the body, then we should say that the
body has been destroyed by a corruption of itself, which is disease, brought
on by this; but that the body, being one thing, can be destroyed by the
badness of food, which is another, and which does not engender any natural
infection—this we shall absolutely deny?
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And, on the same principle, unless some bodily evil can produce an evil
of the soul, we must not suppose that the soul, which is one thing, can be
dissolved by any merely external evil which belongs to another?
Yes, he said, there is reason in that.
Either, then, let us refute this conclusion, or, while it remains unrefuted,
let us never say that fever, or any other disease, or the knife put to the
throat, or even the cutting up of the whole body into the minutest pieces,
can destroy the soul, until she herself is proved to become more unholy or
unrighteous in consequence of these things being done to the body; but that
the soul, or anything else if not destroyed by an internal evil, can be
destroyed by an external one, is not to be affirmed by any man.
And surely, he replied, no one will ever prove that the souls of men
become more unjust in consequence of death.
But if some one who would rather not admit the immortality of the soul
boldly denies this, and says that the dying do really become more evil and
unrighteous, then, if the speaker is right, I suppose that injustice, like
disease, must be assumed to be fatal to the unjust, and that those who take
this disorder die by the natural inherent power of destruction which evil has,
and which kills them sooner or later, but in quite another way from that in
which, at present, the wicked receive death at the hands of others as the
penalty of their deeds?
Nay, he said, in that case injustice, if fatal to the unjust, will not be so
very terrible to him, for he will be delivered from evil. But I rather suspect
the opposite to be the truth, and that injustice which, if it have the power,
will murder others, keeps the murderer alive—aye, and well awake too; so
far removed is her dwelling-place from being a house of death.
True, I said; if the inherent natural vice or evil of the soul is unable to kill
or destroy her, hardly will that which is appointed to be the destruction of
some other body, destroy a soul or anything else except that of which it was
appointed to be the destruction.
Yes, that can hardly be.
But the soul which cannot be destroyed by an evil, whether inherent or
external, must exist for ever, and if existing for ever, must be immortal?
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That is the conclusion, I said; and, if a true conclusion, then the souls
must always be the same, for if none be destroyed they will not diminish in
number. Neither will they increase, for the increase of the immortal natures
must come from something mortal, and all things would thus end in
immortality.
Very true.
But this we cannot believe—reason will not allow us—any more than we
can believe the soul, in her truest nature, to be full of variety and difference
and dissimilarity.
What do you mean? he said.
The soul, I said, being, as is now proven, immortal, must be the fairest of
compositions and cannot be compounded of many elements?
Certainly not.
Her immortality is demonstrated by the previous argument, and there are
many other proofs; but to see her as she really is, not as we now behold her,
marred by communion with the body and other miseries, you must
contemplate her with the eye of reason, in her original purity; and then her
beauty will be revealed, and justice and injustice and all the things which
we have described will be manifested more clearly. Thus far, we have
spoken the truth concerning her as she appears at present, but we must
remember also that we have seen her only in a condition which may be
compared to that of the sea-god Glaucus, whose original image can hardly
be discerned because his natural members are broken off and crushed and
damaged by the waves in all sorts of ways, and incrustations have grown
over them of seaweed and shells and stones, so that he is more like some
monster than he is to his own natural form. And the soul which we behold is
in a similar condition, disfigured by ten thousand ills. But not there,
Glaucon, not there must we look.
Where then?
At her love of wisdom. Let us see whom she affects, and what society
and converse she seeks in virtue of her near kindred with the immortal and
eternal and divine; also how different she would become if wholly
following this superior principle, and borne by a divine impulse out of the
ocean in which she now is, and disengaged from the stones and shells and
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she feeds upon earth, and is overgrown by the good things of this life as
they are termed: then you would see her as she is, and know whether she
have one shape only or many, or what her nature is. Of her affections and of
the forms which she takes in this present life I think that we have now said
enough.
True, he replied.
And thus, I said, we have fulfilled the conditions of the argument; we
have not introduced the rewards and glories of justice, which, as you were
saying, are to be found in Homer and Hesiod; but justice in her own nature
has been shown to be best for the soul in her own nature. Let a man do what
is just, whether he have the ring of Gyges or not, and even if in addition to
the ring of Gyges he put on the helmet of Hades.
Very true.
And now, Glaucon, there will be no harm in further enumerating how
many and how great are the rewards which justice and the other virtues
procure to the soul from gods and men, both in life and after death.
Certainly not, he said.
Will you repay me, then, what you borrowed in the argument?
What did I borrow?
The assumption that the just man should appear unjust and the unjust
just: for you were of opinion that even if the true state of the case could not
possibly escape the eyes of gods and men, still this admission ought to be
made for the sake of the argument, in order that pure justice might be
weighed against pure injustice. Do you remember?
I should be much to blame if I had forgotten.
Then, as the cause is decided, I demand on behalf of justice that the
estimation in which she is held by gods and men and which we
acknowledge to be her due should now be restored to her by us; since she
has been shown to confer reality, and not to deceive those who truly possess
her, let what has been taken from her be given back, that so she may win
that palm of appearance which is hers also, and which she gives to her own.
The demand, he said, is just.
In the first place, I said—and this is the first thing which you will have to
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Granted.
And if they are both known to them, one must be the friend and the other
the enemy of the gods, as we admitted from the beginning?
True.
And the friend of the gods may be supposed to receive from them all
things at their best, excepting only such evil as is the necessary
consequence of former sins?
Certainly.
Then this must be our notion of the just man, that even when he is in
poverty or sickness, or any other seeming misfortune, all things will in the
end work together for good to him in life and death: for the gods have a
care of any one whose desire is to become just and to be like God, as far as
man can attain the divine likeness, by the pursuit of virtue?
Yes, he said; if he is like God he will surely not be neglected by him.
And of the unjust may not the opposite be supposed?
Certainly.
Such, then, are the palms of victory which the gods give the just?
That is my conviction.
And what do they receive of men? Look at things as they really are, and
you will see that the clever unjust are in the case of runners, who run well
from the starting-place to the goal but not back again from the goal: they go
off at a great pace, but in the end only look foolish, slinking away with their
ears draggling on their shoulders, and without a crown; but the true runner
comes to the finish and receives the prize and is crowned. And this is the
way with the just; he who endures to the end of every action and occasion
of his entire life has a good report and carries off the prize which men have
to bestow.
True.
And now you must allow me to repeat of the just the blessings which you
were attributing to the fortunate unjust. I shall say of them, what you were
saying of the others, that as they grow older, they become rulers in their
own city if they care to be; they marry whom they like and give in marriage
to whom they will; all that you said of the others I now say of these. And,
on the other hand, of the unjust I say that the greater number, even though

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they escape in their youth, are found out at last and look foolish at the end
of their course, and when they come to be old and miserable are flouted
alike by stranger and citizen; they are beaten and then come those things
unfit for ears polite, as you truly term them; they will be racked and have
their eyes burned out, as you were saying. And you may suppose that I have
repeated the remainder of your tale of horrors. But will you let me assume,
without reciting them, that these things are true?
Certainly, he said, what you say is true.
These, then, are the prizes and rewards and gifts which are bestowed
upon the just by gods and men in this present life, in addition to the other
good things which justice of herself provides.
Yes, he said; and they are fair and lasting.
And yet, I said, all these are as nothing either in number or greatness in
comparison with those other recompenses which await both just and unjust
after death. And you ought to hear them, and then both just and unjust will
have received from us a full payment of the debt which the argument owes
to them.
Speak, he said; there are few things which I would more gladly hear.
Well, I said, I will tell you a tale; not one of the tales which Odysseus
tells to the hero Alcinous, yet this too is a tale of a hero, Er the son of
Armenius, a Pamphylian by birth. He was slain in battle, and ten days
afterwards, when the bodies of the dead were taken up already in a state of
corruption, his body was found unaffected by decay, and carried away home
to be buried. And on the twelfth day, as he was lying on the funeral pile, he
returned to life and told them what he had seen in the other world. He said
that when his soul left the body he went on a journey with a great company,
and that they came to a mysterious place at which there were two openings
in the earth; they were near together, and over against them were two other
openings in the heaven above. In the intermediate space there were judges
seated, who commanded the just, after they had given judgment on them
and had bound their sentences in front of them, to ascend by the heavenly
way on the right hand; and in like manner the unjust were bidden by them
to descend by the lower way on the left hand; these also bore the symbols of
their deeds, but fastened on their backs. He drew near, and they told him
that he was to be the messenger who would carry the report of the other
world to men, and they bade him hear and see all that was to be heard and

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seen in that place. Then he beheld and saw on one side the souls departing
at either opening of heaven and earth when sentence had been given on
them; and at the two other openings other souls, some ascending out of the
earth dusty and worn with travel, some descending out of heaven clean and
bright. And arriving ever and anon they seemed to have come from a long
journey, and they went forth with gladness into the meadow, where they
encamped as at a festival; and those who knew one another embraced and
conversed, the souls which came from earth curiously enquiring about the
things above, and the souls which came from heaven about the things
beneath. And they told one another of what had happened by the way, those
from below weeping and sorrowing at the remembrance of the things which
they had endured and seen in their journey beneath the earth (now the
journey lasted a thousand years), while those from above were describing
heavenly delights and visions of inconceivable beauty. The story, Glaucon,
would take too long to tell; but the sum was this:—He said that for every
wrong which they had done to any one they suffered tenfold; or once in a
hundred years—such being reckoned to be the length of man’s life, and the
penalty being thus paid ten times in a thousand years. If, for example, there
were any who had been the cause of many deaths, or had betrayed or
enslaved cities or armies, or been guilty of any other evil behaviour, for
each and all of their offences they received punishment ten times over, and
the rewards of beneficence and justice and holiness were in the same
proportion. I need hardly repeat what he said concerning young children
dying almost as soon as they were born. Of piety and impiety to gods and
parents, and of murderers, there were retributions other and greater far
which he described. He mentioned that he was present when one of the
spirits asked another, ‘Where is Ardiaeus the Great?’ (Now this Ardiaeus
lived a thousand years before the time of Er: he had been the tyrant of some
city of Pamphylia, and had murdered his aged father and his elder brother,
and was said to have committed many other abominable crimes.) The
answer of the other spirit was: ‘He comes not hither and will never come.
And this,’ said he, ‘was one of the dreadful sights which we ourselves
witnessed. We were at the mouth of the cavern, and, having completed all
our experiences, were about to reascend, when of a sudden Ardiaeus
appeared and several others, most of whom were tyrants; and there were
also besides the tyrants private individuals who had been great criminals:
they were just, as they fancied, about to return into the upper world, but the

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mouth, instead of admitting them, gave a roar, whenever any of these
incurable sinners or some one who had not been sufficiently punished tried
to ascend; and then wild men of fiery aspect, who were standing by and
heard the sound, seized and carried them off; and Ardiaeus and others they
bound head and foot and hand, and threw them down and flayed them with
scourges, and dragged them along the road at the side, carding them on
thorns like wool, and declaring to the passers-by what were their crimes,
and that they were being taken away to be cast into hell.’ And of all the
many terrors which they had endured, he said that there was none like the
terror which each of them felt at that moment, lest they should hear the
voice; and when there was silence, one by one they ascended with
exceeding joy. These, said Er, were the penalties and retributions, and there
were blessings as great.
Now when the spirits which were in the meadow had tarried seven days,
on the eighth they were obliged to proceed on their journey, and, on the
fourth day after, he said that they came to a place where they could see from
above a line of light, straight as a column, extending right through the
whole heaven and through the earth, in colour resembling the rainbow, only
brighter and purer; another day’s journey brought them to the place, and
there, in the midst of the light, they saw the ends of the chains of heaven let
down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and holds together the
circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a trireme. From these ends is
extended the spindle of Necessity, on which all the revolutions turn. The
shaft and hook of this spindle are made of steel, and the whorl is made
partly of steel and also partly of other materials. Now the whorl is in form
like the whorl used on earth; and the description of it implied that there is
one large hollow whorl which is quite scooped out, and into this is fitted
another lesser one, and another, and another, and four others, making eight
in all, like vessels which fit into one another; the whorls show their edges
on the upper side, and on their lower side all together form one continuous
whorl. This is pierced by the spindle, which is driven home through the
centre of the eighth. The first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and
the seven inner whorls are narrower, in the following proportions—the sixth
is next to the first in size, the fourth next to the sixth; then comes the eighth;
the seventh is fifth, the fifth is sixth, the third is seventh, last and eighth
comes the second. The largest (or fixed stars) is spangled, and the seventh
(or sun) is brightest; the eighth (or moon) coloured by the reflected light of

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the seventh; the second and fifth (Saturn and Mercury) are in colour like
one another, and yellower than the preceding; the third (Venus) has the
whitest light; the fourth (Mars) is reddish; the sixth (Jupiter) is in whiteness
second. Now the whole spindle has the same motion; but, as the whole
revolves in one direction, the seven inner circles move slowly in the other,
and of these the swiftest is the eighth; next in swiftness are the seventh,
sixth, and fifth, which move together; third in swiftness appeared to move
according to the law of this reversed motion the fourth; the third appeared
fourth and the second fifth. The spindle turns on the knees of Necessity; and
on the upper surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them,
hymning a single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and
round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each
sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are
clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and
Clotho and Atropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the
sirens—Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos of the
future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her right hand the
revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, and Atropos with her
left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and Lachesis laying hold of
either in turn, first with one hand and then with the other.
When Er and the spirits arrived, their duty was to go at once to Lachesis;
but first of all there came a prophet who arranged them in order; then he
took from the knees of Lachesis lots and samples of lives, and having
mounted a high pulpit, spoke as follows: ‘Hear the word of Lachesis, the
daughter of Necessity. Mortal souls, behold a new cycle of life and
mortality. Your genius will not be allotted to you, but you will choose your
genius; and let him who draws the first lot have the first choice, and the life
which he chooses shall be his destiny. Virtue is free, and as a man honours
or dishonours her he will have more or less of her; the responsibility is with
the chooser—God is justified.’ When the Interpreter had thus spoken he
scattered lots indifferently among them all, and each of them took up the lot
which fell near him, all but Er himself (he was not allowed), and each as he
took his lot perceived the number which he had obtained. Then the
Interpreter placed on the ground before them the samples of lives; and there
were many more lives than the souls present, and they were of all sorts.
There were lives of every animal and of man in every condition. And there
were tyrannies among them, some lasting out the tyrant’s life, others which

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broke off in the middle and came to an end in poverty and exile and
beggary; and there were lives of famous men, some who were famous for
their form and beauty as well as for their strength and success in games, or,
again, for their birth and the qualities of their ancestors; and some who were
the reverse of famous for the opposite qualities. And of women likewise;
there was not, however, any definite character in them, because the soul,
when choosing a new life, must of necessity become different. But there
was every other quality, and the all mingled with one another, and also with
elements of wealth and poverty, and disease and health; and there were
mean states also. And here, my dear Glaucon, is the supreme peril of our
human state; and therefore the utmost care should be taken. Let each one of
us leave every other kind of knowledge and seek and follow one thing only,
if peradventure he may be able to learn and may find some one who will
make him able to learn and discern between good and evil, and so to choose
always and everywhere the better life as he has opportunity. He should
consider the bearing of all these things which have been mentioned
severally and collectively upon virtue; he should know what the effect of
beauty is when combined with poverty or wealth in a particular soul, and
what are the good and evil consequences of noble and humble birth, of
private and public station, of strength and weakness, of cleverness and
dullness, and of all the natural and acquired gifts of the soul, and the
operation of them when conjoined; he will then look at the nature of the
soul, and from the consideration of all these qualities he will be able to
determine which is the better and which is the worse; and so he will choose,
giving the name of evil to the life which will make his soul more unjust,
and good to the life which will make his soul more just; all else he will
disregard. For we have seen and know that this is the best choice both in
life and after death. A man must take with him into the world below an
adamantine faith in truth and right, that there too he may be undazzled by
the desire of wealth or the other allurements of evil, lest, coming upon
tyrannies and similar villainies, he do irremediable wrongs to others and
suffer yet worse himself; but let him know how to choose the mean and
avoid the extremes on either side, as far as possible, not only in this life but
in all that which is to come. For this is the way of happiness.
And according to the report of the messenger from the other world this
was what the prophet said at the time: ‘Even for the last comer, if he
chooses wisely and will live diligently, there is appointed a happy and not

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undesirable existence. Let not him who chooses first be careless, and let not
the last despair.’ And when he had spoken, he who had the first choice came
forward and in a moment chose the greatest tyranny; his mind having been
darkened by folly and sensuality, he had not thought out the whole matter
before he chose, and did not at first sight perceive that he was fated, among
other evils, to devour his own children. But when he had time to reflect, and
saw what was in the lot, he began to beat his breast and lament over his
choice, forgetting the proclamation of the prophet; for, instead of throwing
the blame of his misfortune on himself, he accused chance and the gods,
and everything rather than himself. Now he was one of those who came
from heaven, and in a former life had dwelt in a well-ordered State, but his
virtue was a matter of habit only, and he had no philosophy. And it was true
of others who were similarly overtaken, that the greater number of them
came from heaven and therefore they had never been schooled by trial,
whereas the pilgrims who came from earth having themselves suffered and
seen others suffer, were not in a hurry to choose. And owing to this
inexperience of theirs, and also because the lot was a chance, many of the
souls exchanged a good destiny for an evil or an evil for a good. For if a
man had always on his arrival in this world dedicated himself from the first
to sound philosophy, and had been moderately fortunate in the number of
the lot, he might, as the messenger reported, be happy here, and also his
journey to another life and return to this, instead of being rough and
underground, would be smooth and heavenly. Most curious, he said, was
the spectacle—sad and laughable and strange; for the choice of the souls
was in most cases based on their experience of a previous life. There he saw
the soul which had once been Orpheus choosing the life of a swan out of
enmity to the race of women, hating to be born of a woman because they
had been his murderers; he beheld also the soul of Thamyras choosing the
life of a nightingale; birds, on the other hand, like the swan and other
musicians, wanting to be men. The soul which obtained the twentieth lot
chose the life of a lion, and this was the soul of Ajax the son of Telamon,
who would not be a man, remembering the injustice which was done him in
the judgment about the arms. The next was Agamemnon, who took the life
of an eagle, because, like Ajax, he hated human nature by reason of his
sufferings. About the middle came the lot of Atalanta; she, seeing the great
fame of an athlete, was unable to resist the temptation: and after her there
followed the soul of Epeus the son of Panopeus passing into the nature of a

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woman cunning in the arts; and far away among the last who chose, the soul
of the jester Thersites was putting on the form of a monkey. There came
also the soul of Odysseus having yet to make a choice, and his lot happened
to be the last of them all. Now the recollection of former toils had
disenchanted him of ambition, and he went about for a considerable time in
search of the life of a private man who had no cares; he had some difficulty
in finding this, which was lying about and had been neglected by everybody
else; and when he saw it, he said that he would have done the same had his
lot been first instead of last, and that he was delighted to have it. And not
only did men pass into animals, but I must also mention that there were
animals tame and wild who changed into one another and into
corresponding human natures—the good into the gentle and the evil into the
savage, in all sorts of combinations.
All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order of
their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they had
severally chosen, to be the guardian of their lives and the fulfiller of the
choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho, and drew them within the
revolution of the spindle impelled by her hand, thus ratifying the destiny of
each; and then, when they were fastened to this, carried them to Atropos,
who spun the threads and made them irreversible, whence without turning
round they passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they had all
passed, they marched on in a scorching heat to the plain of Forgetfulness,
which was a barren waste destitute of trees and verdure; and then towards
evening they encamped by the river of Unmindfulness, whose water no
vessel can hold; of this they were all obliged to drink a certain quantity, and
those who were not saved by wisdom drank more than was necessary; and
each one as he drank forgot all things. Now after they had gone to rest,
about the middle of the night there was a thunderstorm and earthquake, and
then in an instant they were driven upwards in all manner of ways to their
birth, like stars shooting. He himself was hindered from drinking the water.
But in what manner or by what means he returned to the body he could not
say; only, in the morning, awaking suddenly, he found himself lying on the
pyre.
And thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved and has not perished, and will
save us if we are obedient to the word spoken; and we shall pass safely over
the river of Forgetfulness and our soul will not be defiled. Wherefore my
counsel is, that we hold fast ever to the heavenly way and follow after

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justice and virtue always, considering that the soul is immortal and able to
endure every sort of good and every sort of evil. Thus shall we live dear to
one another and to the gods, both while remaining here and when, like
conquerors in the games who go round to gather gifts, we receive our
reward. And it shall be well with us both in this life and in the pilgrimage of
a thousand years which we have been describing.

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