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Title: The Republic of Plato

Author: Plato

Translator: Benjamin Jowett

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THE

REPUBLIC OF PLATO

JOWETT

London

H E N RY F R O W D E

OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS WAREHOUSE

AMEN CORNER, E. C.

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Transcriber’s Note and List of Contents

Several editions of Jowett’s translation of Plato’s
Republic were published in his lifetime, and many
since. This text attempts to capture all that is of value
in the early versions. It is based largely on the third
edition, “revised and corrected throughout,” of 1888,
but incorporating the complete Stephanus numbering
that is found only in a two-volume version published
in 1908. Sources gratefully exploited include an earlier
Project Gutenberg version (#1497), an html version at
the Online Library of Liberty, the Internet Archive
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in.ernet.dli.2015.223394, volume 2,
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Distributed Proofreaders, and Wikimedia Commons.

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

Preface
INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS. i
Analysis and Introduction, Book I xvi

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Analysis and Introduction, Book II xxv
Analysis and Introduction, Book III xxxix
Analysis and Introduction, Book IV lvi
Analysis and Introduction, Book V lxix
Analysis and Introduction, Book VI lxxx
Analysis and Introduction, Book VII xcviii
Analysis and Introduction, Book VIII cxv
Analysis and Introduction, Book IX cxxxv
Analysis and Introduction, Book X cxlvi
Other Issues: clxix
(I) the Janus-like character of the Republic clxx
(IIa) the paradoxes of the Republic: clxxiv
the community of property clxxv
(IIb) the community of families clxxix
(IIc) the rule of philosophers cxciv
(IId) the analogy of the individual and the
cxcviii
State
(III) the subject of education cc
(IV) differences between ancient and
ccxi
modern politics
(V) comparison of the Politicus and the
ccxiv
Laws
(VI) influence exercised by Plato on his
ccxvii
imitators
(VII) nature and value of political ideals ccxxix
(VIII) nature and value of religious ideals ccxxx
Book I 1
Book II 36
Book III 68
Book IV 107
Book V 140
Book VI 180

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Book VII 214
Book VIII 247
Book IX 280
Book X 307
Index 339
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REPUBLIC OF P L AT O
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PREFACE.

IN publishing a third edition of the Republic of Plato (originally included
in my edition of Plato’s works), I have to acknowledge the assistance of
several friends, especially of my secretary, Mr. Matthew Knight, now
residing for his health at Davôs, and of Mr. Frank Fletcher, Exhibitioner of
Balliol College. To their accuracy and scholarship I am under great
obligations. The excellent index, in which are contained references to other
dialogues as well as to the Republic, is entirely the work of Mr. Knight. I
am also considerably indebted to Mr. J. W. MacKail, Fellow of Balliol
College, who read over the whole book in the previous edition, and noted
several inaccuracies.
The additions and alterations both in the introduction and in the text,
affect at least a third of the work.
Having regard to the extent of these alterations, and to the annoyance
which is felt by the owner of a book at the possession of it in an inferior
form, and still more keenly by the writer himself, who must always desire
to be read as he is at his best, I have thought that some persons might like to
exchange for the new edition the separate edition of the Republic published
in 1881, to which this present volume is the successor. I have therefore
arranged that those who desire to make this exchange, on depositing a
perfect copy of the former separate edition with any agent of the Clarendon
Press, shall be entitled to receive the new edition at half-price.
It is my hope to issue a revised edition of the remaining Dialogues in the
course of a year.

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INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS.

Republic.
INTRODUCTION. THE Republic of Plato is the longest of his works with the
exception of the Laws, and is certainly the greatest of them. There are
nearer approaches to modern metaphysics in the Philebus and in the
Sophist; the Politicus or Statesman is more ideal; the form and institutions
of the State are more clearly drawn out in the Laws; as works of art, the
Symposium and the Protagoras are of higher excellence. But no other
Dialogue of Plato has the same largeness of view and the same perfection of
style; no other shows an equal knowledge of the world, or contains more of
those thoughts which are new as well as old, and not of one age only but of
all. Nowhere in Plato is there a deeper irony or a greater wealth of humour
or imagery, or more dramatic power. Nor in any other of his writings is the
attempt made to interweave life and speculation, or to connect politics with
philosophy. The Republic is the centre around which the other Dialogues
may be grouped; here philosophy reaches the highest point (cp. especially
in Books V, VI, VII) to which ancient thinkers ever attained. Plato among
the Greeks, like Bacon among the moderns, was the first who conceived a
method of knowledge, although neither of them always distinguished the
bare outline or form from the substance of truth; and both of them had to be
content with an abstraction of science which was not yet realized. He was
the greatest metaphysical genius whom the world has seen; and in him,
more than in any other ancient thinker, the germs of future knowledge are
contained. The sciences of logic and psychology, which have supplied so
many instruments of thought to after-ages, are based upon the analyses of
Socrates and Plato. The principles of definition, the law of contradiction,
the fallacy of arguing in a circle, the distinction between the essence and
accidents of a thing or notion, between means and ends, between causes and
conditions; also the division of the mind into the rational, concupiscent, and
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unnecessary—these ii and other great forms of thought are all of them to be
found in the Republic, and were probably first invented by Plato. The
greatest of all logical truths, and the one of which writers on philosophy are
most apt to lose sight, the difference between words and things, has been
most strenuously insisted on by him (cp. Rep. 454 A; Polit. 261 E; Cratyl.
435, 436 ff.), although he has not always avoided the confusion of them in
his own writings (e.g. Rep. 463 E). But he does not bind up truth in logical
formulae,—logic is still veiled in metaphysics; and the science which he
imagines to ‘contemplate all truth and all existence’ is very unlike the
doctrine of the syllogism which Aristotle claims to have discovered (Soph.
Elenchi 33. 18).
Neither must we forget that the Republic is but the third part of a still
larger design which was to have included an ideal history of Athens, as well
as a political and physical philosophy. The fragment of the Critias has given
birth to a world-famous fiction, second only in importance to the tale of
Troy and the legend of Arthur; and is said as a fact to have inspired some of
the early navigators of the sixteenth century. This mythical tale, of which
the subject was a history of the wars of the Athenians against the Island of
Atlantis, is supposed to be founded upon an unfinished poem of Solon, to
which it would have stood in the same relation as the writings of the
logographers to the poems of Homer. It would have told of a struggle for
Liberty (cp. Tim. 25 C), intended to represent the conflict of Persia and
Hellas. We may judge from the noble commencement of the Timaeus, from
the fragment of the Critias itself, and from the third book of the Laws, in
what manner Plato would have treated this high argument. We can only
guess why the great design was abandoned; perhaps because Plato became
sensible of some incongruity in a fictitious history, or because he had lost
his interest in it, or because advancing years forbade the completion of it;
and we may please ourselves with the fancy that had this imaginary
narrative ever been finished, we should have found Plato himself
sympathising with the struggle for Hellenic independence (cp. Laws iii. 698
ff.), singing a hymn of triumph over Marathon and Salamis, perhaps making
the reflection of Herodotus where he contemplates the growth of the
Athenian empire—‘How brave a thing is freedom of speech, iii which has
made the Athenians so far exceed every other state of Hellas in greatness!’
or, more probably, attributing the victory to the ancient good order of
Athens and to the favour of Apollo and Athene (cp. Introd. to Critias).
Again, Plato may be regarded as the ‘captain’ (ἀρχηγός) or leader of a
goodly band of followers; for in the Republic is to be found the original of

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Cicero’s De Republica, of St. Augustine’s City of God, of the Utopia of Sir
Thomas More, and of the numerous other imaginary States which are
framed upon the same model. The extent to which Aristotle or the
Aristotelian school were indebted to him in the Politics has been little
recognised, and the recognition is the more necessary because it is not made
by Aristotle himself. The two philosophers had more in common than they
were conscious of; and probably some elements of Plato remain still
undetected in Aristotle. In English philosophy too, many affinities may be
traced, not only in the works of the Cambridge Platonists, but in great
original writers like Berkeley or Coleridge, to Plato and his ideas. That
there is a truth higher than experience, of which the mind bears witness to
herself, is a conviction which in our own generation has been
enthusiastically asserted, and is perhaps gaining ground. Of the Greek
authors who at the Renaissance brought a new life into the world Plato has
had the greatest influence. The Republic of Plato is also the first treatise
upon education, of which the writings of Milton and Locke, Rousseau, Jean
Paul, and Goethe are the legitimate descendants. Like Dante or Bunyan, he
has a revelation of another life; like Bacon, he is profoundly impressed with
the unity of knowledge; in the early Church he exercised a real influence on
theology, and at the Revival of Literature on politics. Even the fragments of
his words when ‘repeated at second-hand’ (Symp. 215 D) have in all ages
ravished the hearts of men, who have seen reflected in them their own
higher nature. He is the father of idealism in philosophy, in politics, in
literature. And many of the latest conceptions of modern thinkers and
statesmen, such as the unity of knowledge, the reign of law, and the equality
of the sexes, have been anticipated in a dream by him.

The argument of the Republic is the search after Justice, the nature of
which is first hinted at by Cephalus, the just and blameless iv old man—then
discussed on the basis of proverbial morality by Socrates and Polemarchus
—then caricatured by Thrasymachus and partially explained by Socrates—
reduced to an abstraction by Glaucon and Adeimantus, and having become
invisible in the individual reappears at length in the ideal State which is
constructed by Socrates. The first care of the rulers is to be education, of
which an outline is drawn after the old Hellenic model, providing only for
an improved religion and morality, and more simplicity in music and
gymnastic, a manlier strain of poetry, and greater harmony of the individual
and the State. We are thus led on to the conception of a higher State, in
which ‘no man calls anything his own,’ and in which there is neither

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‘marrying nor giving in marriage,’ and ‘kings are philosophers’ and
‘philosophers are kings;’ and there is another and higher education,
intellectual as well as moral and religious, of science as well as of art, and
not of youth only but of the whole of life. Such a State is hardly to be
realized in this world and quickly degenerates. To the perfect ideal succeeds
the government of the soldier and the lover of honour, this again declining
into democracy, and democracy into tyranny, in an imaginary but regular
order having not much resemblance to the actual facts. When ‘the wheel has
come full circle’ we do not begin again with a new period of human life; but
we have passed from the best to the worst, and there we end. The subject is
then changed and the old quarrel of poetry and philosophy which had been
more lightly treated in the earlier books of the Republic is now resumed and
fought out to a conclusion. Poetry is discovered to be an imitation thrice
removed from the truth, and Homer, as well as the dramatic poets, having
been condemned as an imitator, is sent into banishment along with them.
And the idea of the State is supplemented by the revelation of a future life.
The division into books, like all similar divisions,1 is probably later than
the age of Plato. The natural divisions are five in number;—(1) Book I and
the first half of Book II down to the paragraph beginning, ‘I had always
admired the genius of Glaucon and Adeimantus,’ which is introductory; the
first book containing a refutation of the popular and sophistical notions of
justice, and concluding, like some of the earlier Dialogues, without arriving
at any definite result. To this is appended a restatement of the nature of
justice v according to common opinion, and an answer is demanded to the
question—What is justice, stripped of appearances? The second division (2)
includes the remainder of the second and the whole of the third and fourth
books, which are mainly occupied with the construction of the first State
and the first education. The third division (3) consists of the fifth, sixth, and
seventh books, in which philosophy rather than justice is the subject of
enquiry, and the second State is constructed on principles of communism
and ruled by philosophers, and the contemplation of the idea of good takes
the place of the social and political virtues. In the eighth and ninth books (4)
the perversions of States and of the individuals who correspond to them are
reviewed in succession; and the nature of pleasure and the principle of
tyranny are further analysed in the individual man. The tenth book (5) is the
conclusion of the whole, in which the relations of philosophy to poetry are
finally determined, and the happiness of the citizens in this life, which has
now been assured, is crowned by the vision of another.
1 Cp. Sir G. C. Lewis in the Classical Museum, vol. ii. p. 1.

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Or a more general division into two parts may be adopted; the first
(Books I–IV) containing the description of a State framed generally in
accordance with Hellenic notions of religion and morality, while in the
second (Books V–X) the Hellenic State is transformed into an ideal
kingdom of philosophy, of which all other governments are the perversions.
These two points of view are really opposed, and the opposition is only
veiled by the genius of Plato. The Republic, like the Phaedrus (see
Introduction to Phaedrus), is an imperfect whole; the higher light of
philosophy breaks through the regularity of the Hellenic temple, which at
last fades away into the heavens (592 B). Whether this imperfection of
structure arises from an enlargement of the plan; or from the imperfect
reconcilement in the writer’s own mind of the struggling elements of
thought which are now first brought together by him; or, perhaps, from the
composition of the work at different times—are questions, like the similar
question about the Iliad and the Odyssey, which are worth asking, but which
cannot have a distinct answer. In the age of Plato there was no regular mode
of publication, and an author would have the less scruple in altering or
adding to a work which was known only to a few of his friends. There is no
absurdity in supposing that he may have laid his labours aside for a time, or
turned from one work to vi another; and such interruptions would be more
likely to occur in the case of a long than of a short writing. In all attempts to
determine the chronological order of the Platonic writings on internal
evidence, this uncertainty about any single Dialogue being composed at one
time is a disturbing element, which must be admitted to affect longer works,
such as the Republic and the Laws, more than shorter ones. But, on the
other hand, the seeming discrepancies of the Republic may only arise out of
the discordant elements which the philosopher has attempted to unite in a
single whole, perhaps without being himself able to recognise the
inconsistency which is obvious to us. For there is a judgment of after ages
which few great writers have ever been able to anticipate for themselves.
They do not perceive the want of connexion in their own writings, or the
gaps in their systems which are visible enough to those who come after
them. In the beginnings of literature and philosophy, amid the first efforts of
thought and language, more inconsistencies occur than now, when the paths
of speculation are well worn and the meaning of words precisely defined.
For consistency, too, is the growth of time; and some of the greatest
creations of the human mind have been wanting in unity. Tried by this test,
several of the Platonic Dialogues, according to our modern ideas, appear to
be defective, but the deficiency is no proof that they were composed at
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was written uninterruptedly and by a continuous effort is in some degree
confirmed by the numerous references from one part of the work to another.
The second title, ‘Concerning Justice,’ is not the one by which the
Republic is quoted, either by Aristotle or generally in antiquity, and, like the
other second titles of the Platonic Dialogues, may therefore be assumed to
be of later date. Morgenstern and others have asked whether the definition
of justice, which is the professed aim, or the construction of the State is the
principal argument of the work. The answer is, that the two blend in one,
and are two faces of the same truth; for justice is the order of the State, and
the State is the visible embodiment of justice under the conditions of human
society. The one is the soul and the other is the body, and the Greek ideal of
the State, as of the individual, is a fair mind in a fair body. In Hegelian
phraseology the state is the reality of vii which justice is the idea. Or,
described in Christian language, the kingdom of God is within, and yet
developes into a Church or external kingdom; ‘the house not made with
hands, eternal in the heavens,’ is reduced to the proportions of an earthly
building. Or, to use a Platonic image, justice and the State are the warp and
the woof which run through the whole texture. And when the constitution of
the State is completed, the conception of justice is not dismissed, but
reappears under the same or different names throughout the work, both as
the inner law of the individual soul, and finally as the principle of rewards
and punishments in another life. The virtues are based on justice, of which
common honesty in buying and selling is the shadow, and justice is based
on the idea of good, which is the harmony of the world, and is reflected
both in the institutions of states and in motions of the heavenly bodies (cp.
Tim. 47). The Timaeus, which takes up the political rather than the ethical
side of the Republic, and is chiefly occupied with hypotheses concerning
the outward world, yet contains many indications that the same law is
supposed to reign over the State, over nature, and over man.
Too much, however, has been made of this question both in ancient and
modern times. There is a stage of criticism in which all works, whether of
nature or of art, are referred to design. Now in ancient writings, and indeed
in literature generally, there remains often a large element which was not
comprehended in the original design. For the plan grows under the author’s
hand; new thoughts occur to him in the act of writing; he has not worked
out the argument to the end before he begins. The reader who seeks to find
some one idea under which the whole may be conceived, must necessarily
seize on the vaguest and most general. Thus Stallbaum, who is dissatisfied
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himself to have found the true argument ‘in the representation of human life
in a State perfected by justice, and governed according to the idea of good.’
There may be some use in such general descriptions, but they can hardly be
said to express the design of the writer. The truth is, that we may as well
speak of many designs as of one; nor need anything be excluded from the
plan of a great work to which the mind is naturally led by the association of
ideas, and which does not interfere with the general purpose. What kind or
degree of viii unity is to be sought after in a building, in the plastic arts, in
poetry, in prose, is a problem which has to be determined relatively to the
subject-matter. To Plato himself, the enquiry ‘what was the intention of the
writer,’ or ‘what was the principal argument of the Republic’ would have
been hardly intelligible, and therefore had better be at once dismissed (cp.
the Introduction to the Phaedrus, vol. i.).
Is not the Republic the vehicle of three or four great truths which, to
Plato’s own mind, are most naturally represented in the form of the State?
Just as in the Jewish prophets the reign of Messiah, or ‘the day of the Lord,’
or the suffering Servant or people of God, or the ‘Sun of righteousness with
healing in his wings’ only convey, to us at least, their great spiritual ideals,
so through the Greek State Plato reveals to us his own thoughts about divine
perfection, which is the idea of good—like the sun in the visible world;—
about human perfection, which is justice—about education beginning in
youth and continuing in later years—about poets and sophists and tyrants
who are the false teachers and evil rulers of mankind—about ‘the world’
which is the embodiment of them—about a kingdom which exists nowhere
upon earth but is laid up in heaven to be the pattern and rule of human life.
No such inspired creation is at unity with itself, any more than the clouds of
heaven when the sun pierces through them. Every shade of light and dark,
of truth, and of fiction which is the veil of truth, is allowable in a work of
philosophical imagination. It is not all on the same plane; it easily passes
from ideas to myths and fancies, from facts to figures of speech. It is not
prose but poetry, at least a great part of it, and ought not to be judged by the
rules of logic or the probabilities of history. The writer is not fashioning his
ideas into an artistic whole; they take possession of him and are too much
for him. We have no need therefore to discuss whether a State such as Plato
has conceived is practicable or not, or whether the outward form or the
inward life came first into the mind of the writer. For the practicability of
his ideas has nothing to do with their truth (v. 472 D); and the highest
thoughts to which he attains may be truly said to bear the greatest ‘marks of
design’—justice more than the external frame-work of the State, the idea of
good more than justice. The great science of dialectic or the organisation of

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ideas has no real content; but is only a type of the method or ix spirit in
which the higher knowledge is to be pursued by the spectator of all time and
all existence. It is in the fifth, sixth, and seventh books that Plato reaches
the ‘summit of speculation,’ and these, although they fail to satisfy the
requirements of a modern thinker, may therefore be regarded as the most
important, as they are also the most original, portions of the work.
It is not necessary to discuss at length a minor question which has been
raised by Boeckh, respecting the imaginary date at which the conversation
was held (the year 411 B.C. which is proposed by him will do as well as any
other); for a writer of fiction, and especially a writer who, like Plato, is
notoriously careless of chronology (cp. Rep. i. 336, Symp. 193 A, etc.), only
aims at general probability. Whether all the persons mentioned in the
Republic could ever have met at any one time is not a difficulty which
would have occurred to an Athenian reading the work forty years later, or to
Plato himself at the time of writing (any more than to Shakespeare
respecting one of his own dramas); and need not greatly trouble us now. Yet
this may be a question having no answer ‘which is still worth asking,’
because the investigation shows that we cannot argue historically from the
dates in Plato; it would be useless therefore to waste time in inventing far-
fetched reconcilements of them in order to avoid chronological difficulties,
such, for example, as the conjecture of C. F. Hermann, that Glaucon and
Adeimantus are not the brothers but the uncles of Plato (cp. Apol. 34 A), or
the fancy of Stallbaum that Plato intentionally left anachronisms indicating
the dates at which some of his Dialogues were written.

The principal characters in the Republic are Cephalus, Polemarchus,
Thrasymachus, Socrates, Glaucon, and Adeimantus. Cephalus appears in
the introduction only, Polemarchus drops at the end of the first argument,
and Thrasymachus is reduced to silence at the close of the first book. The
main discussion is carried on by Socrates, Glaucon, and Adeimantus.
Among the company are Lysias (the orator) and Euthydemus, the sons of
Cephalus and brothers of Polemarchus, an unknown Charmantides—these
are mute auditors; also there is Cleitophon, who once interrupts (340 A),
where, as in the Dialogue which bears his name, he appears as the friend
and ally of Thrasymachus.
x Cephalus, the patriarch of the house, has been appropriately engaged in
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with life, and is at peace with himself and with all mankind. He feels that he
is drawing nearer to the world below, and seems to linger around the
memory of the past. He is eager that Socrates should come to visit him,
fond of the poetry of the last generation, happy in the consciousness of a
well-spent life, glad at having escaped from the tyranny of youthful lusts.
His love of conversation, his affection, his indifference to riches, even his
garrulity, are interesting traits of character. He is not one of those who have
nothing to say, because their whole mind has been absorbed in making
money. Yet he acknowledges that riches have the advantage of placing men
above the temptation to dishonesty or falsehood. The respectful attention
shown to him by Socrates, whose love of conversation, no less than the
mission imposed upon him by the Oracle, leads him to ask questions of all
men, young and old alike (cp. i. 328 A), should also be noted. Who better
suited to raise the question of justice than Cephalus, whose life might seem
to be the expression of it? The moderation with which old age is pictured by
Cephalus as a very tolerable portion of existence is characteristic, not only
of him, but of Greek feeling generally, and contrasts with the exaggeration
of Cicero in the De Senectute. The evening of life is described by Plato in
the most expressive manner, yet with the fewest possible touches. As Cicero
remarks (Ep. ad Attic. iv. 16), the aged Cephalus would have been out of
place in the discussion which follows, and which he could neither have
understood nor taken part in without a violation of dramatic propriety (cp.
Lysimachus in the Laches, 89).
His ‘son and heir’ Polemarchus has the frankness and impetuousness of
youth; he is for detaining Socrates by force in the opening scene, and will
not ‘let him off’ (v. 449 B) on the subject of women and children. Like
Cephalus, he is limited in his point of view, and represents the proverbial
stage of morality which has rules of life rather than principles; and he
quotes Simonides (cp. Aristoph. Clouds, 1355 ff.) as his father had quoted
Pindar. But after this he has no more to say; the answers which he makes
are only elicited from him by the dialectic of Socrates. He has not yet
experienced the influence of the Sophists like Glaucon and xi Adeimantus,
nor is he sensible of the necessity of refuting them; he belongs to the pre-
Socratic or pre-dialectical age. He is incapable of arguing, and is bewildered
by Socrates to such a degree that he does not know what he is saying. He is
made to admit that justice is a thief, and that the virtues follow the analogy
of the arts (i. 333 E). From his brother Lysias (contra Eratosth. p. 121) we
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to his fate, nor to the circumstance that Cephalus and his family were of
Syracusan origin, and had migrated from Thurii to Athens.
The ‘Chalcedonian giant,’ Thrasymachus, of whom we have already
heard in the Phaedrus (267 D), is the personification of the Sophists,
according to Plato’s conception of them, in some of their worst
characteristics. He is vain and blustering, refusing to discourse unless he is
paid, fond of making an oration, and hoping thereby to escape the inevitable
Socrates; but a mere child in argument, and unable to foresee that the next
‘move’ (to use a Platonic expression) will ‘shut him up’ (vi. 487 B). He has
reached the stage of framing general notions, and in this respect is in
advance of Cephalus and Polemarchus. But he is incapable of defending
them in a discussion, and vainly tries to cover his confusion with banter and
insolence. Whether such doctrines as are attributed to him by Plato were
really held either by him or by any other Sophist is uncertain; in the infancy
of philosophy serious errors about morality might easily grow up—they are
certainly put into the mouths of speakers in Thucydides; but we are
concerned at present with Plato’s description of him, and not with the
historical reality. The inequality of the contest adds greatly to the humour of
the scene. The pompous and empty Sophist is utterly helpless in the hands
of the great master of dialectic, who knows how to touch all the springs of
vanity and weakness in him. He is greatly irritated by the irony of Socrates,
but his noisy and imbecile rage only lays him more and more open to the
thrusts of his assailant. His determination to cram down their throats, or put
‘bodily into their souls’ his own words, elicits a cry of horror from Socrates.
The state of his temper is quite as worthy of remark as the process of the
argument. Nothing is more amusing than his complete submission when he
has been once thoroughly beaten. At first he seems to continue xii the
discussion with reluctance, but soon with apparent good-will, and he even
testifies his interest at a later stage by one or two occasional remarks (v. 450
A, B). When attacked by Glaucon (vi. 489 C, D) he is humorously protected
by Socrates ‘as one who has never been his enemy and is now his friend.’
From Cicero and Quintilian and from Aristotle’s Rhetoric (iii. i. 7; ii. 23,
29) we learn that the Sophist whom Plato has made so ridiculous was a man
of note whose writings were preserved in later ages. The play on his name
which was made by his contemporary Herodicus (Aris. Rhet. ii. 23, 29),
‘thou wast ever bold in battle,’ seems to show that the description of him is
not devoid of verisimilitude.
When Thrasymachus has been silenced, the two principal respondents,
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(cp. Introd. to Phaedo), three actors are introduced. At first sight the two
sons of Ariston may seem to wear a family likeness, like the two friends
Simmias and Cebes in the Phaedo. But on a nearer examination of them the
similarity vanishes, and they are seen to be distinct characters. Glaucon is
the impetuous youth who can ‘just never have enough of fetching’ (cp. the
character of him in Xen. Mem. iii. 6); the man of pleasure who is
acquainted with the mysteries of love (v. 474 D); the ‘juvenis qui gaudet
canibus,’ and who improves the breed of animals (v. 459 A); the lover of art
and music (iii. 398 D, E) who has all the experiences of youthful life. He is
full of quickness and penetration, piercing easily below the clumsy
platitudes of Thrasymachus to the real difficulty; he turns out to the light the
seamy side of human life, and yet does not lose faith in the just and true. It
is Glaucon who seizes what may be termed the ludicrous relation of the
philosopher to the world, to whom a state of simplicity is ‘a city of pigs,’
who is always prepared with a jest (iii. 398 C, 407 A; v. 450, 451, 468 C; vi.
509 C; ix. 586) when the argument offers him an opportunity, and who is
ever ready to second the humour of Socrates and to appreciate the
ridiculous, whether in the connoisseurs of music (vii. 531 A), or in the
lovers of theatricals (v. 475 D), or in the fantastic behaviour of the citizens
of democracy (viii. 557 foll.). His weaknesses are several times alluded to
by Socrates (iii. 402 E; v. 474 D, 475 E), who, however, will not allow him
to be attacked by his brother Adeimantus (viii. 548 D, E). He is a soldier,
and, like Adeimantus, has been xiii distinguished at the battle of Megara
(368 A, anno 456?)… The character of Adeimantus is deeper and graver,
and the profounder objections are commonly put into his mouth. Glaucon is
more demonstrative, and generally opens the game. Adeimantus pursues the
argument further. Glaucon has more of the liveliness and quick sympathy of
youth; Adeimantus has the maturer judgment of a grown-up man of the
world. In the second book, when Glaucon insists that justice and injustice
shall be considered without regard to their consequences, Adeimantus
remarks that they are regarded by mankind in general only for the sake of
their consequences; and in a similar vein of reflection he urges at the
beginning of the fourth book that Socrates fails in making his citizens
happy, and is answered that happiness is not the first but the second thing,
not the direct aim but the indirect consequence of the good government of a
State. In the discussion about religion and mythology, Adeimantus is the
respondent (iii. 376-398), but Glaucon breaks in with a slight jest, and
carries on the conversation in a lighter tone about music and gymnastic to
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common sense on the Socratic method of argument (vi. 487 B), and who
refuses to let Socrates pass lightly over the question of women and children
(v. 449). It is Adeimantus who is the respondent in the more argumentative,
as Glaucon in the lighter and more imaginative portions of the Dialogue.
For example, throughout the greater part of the sixth book, the causes of the
corruption of philosophy and the conception of the idea of good are
discussed with Adeimantus. At p. 506 C, Glaucon resumes his place of
principal respondent; but he has a difficulty in apprehending the higher
education of Socrates, and makes some false hits in the course of the
discussion (526 D, 527 D). Once more Adeimantus returns (viii. 548) with
the allusion to his brother Glaucon whom he compares to the contentious
State; in the next book (ix. 576) he is again superseded, and Glaucon
continues to the end (x. 621 B).
Thus in a succession of characters Plato represents the successive stages
of morality, beginning with the Athenian gentleman of the olden time, who
is followed by the practical man of that day regulating his life by proverbs
and saws; to him succeeds the wild generalization of the Sophists, and lastly
come the young disciples of the great teacher, who know the sophistical
arguments xiv but will not be convinced by them, and desire to go deeper
into the nature of things. These too, like Cephalus, Polemarchus,
Thrasymachus, are clearly distinguished from one another. Neither in the
Republic, nor in any other Dialogue of Plato, is a single character repeated.
The delineation of Socrates in the Republic is not wholly consistent. In
the first book we have more of the real Socrates, such as he is depicted in
the Memorabilia of Xenophon, in the earliest Dialogues of Plato, and in the
Apology. He is ironical, provoking, questioning, the old enemy of the
Sophists, ready to put on the mask of Silenus as well as to argue seriously.
But in the sixth book his enmity towards the Sophists abates; he
acknowledges that they are the representatives rather than the corrupters of
the world (vi. 492 A). He also becomes more dogmatic and constructive,
passing beyond the range either of the political or the speculative ideas of
the real Socrates. In one passage (vi. 506 C) Plato himself seems to intimate
that the time had now come for Socrates, who had passed his whole life in
philosophy, to give his own opinion and not to be always repeating the
notions of other men. There is no evidence that either the idea of good or
the conception of a perfect state were comprehended in the Socratic
teaching, though he certainly dwelt on the nature of the universal and of
final causes (cp. Xen. Mem. i. 4; Phaedo 97); and a deep thinker like him, in

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his thirty or forty years of public teaching, could hardly have failed to touch
on the nature of family relations, for which there is also some positive
evidence in the Memorabilia (Mem. i. 2, 51 foll.). The Socratic method is
nominally retained; and every inference is either put into the mouth of the
respondent or represented as the common discovery of him and Socrates.
But any one can see that this is a mere form, of which the affectation grows
wearisome as the work advances. The method of enquiry has passed into a
method of teaching in which by the help of interlocutors the same thesis is
looked at from various points of view. The nature of the process is truly
characterized by Glaucon, when he describes himself as a companion who
is not good for much in an investigation, but can see what he is shown (iv.
432 C), and may, perhaps, give the answer to a question more fluently than
another (v. 474 A; cp. 389 A).
Neither can we be absolutely certain that Socrates himself xv taught the
immortality of the soul, which is unknown to his disciple Glaucon in the
Republic (x. 608 D; cp. vi. 498 D, E; Apol. 40, 41); nor is there any reason
to suppose that he used myths or revelations of another world as a vehicle
of instruction, or that he would have banished poetry or have denounced the
Greek mythology. His favourite oath is retained, and a slight mention is
made of the daemonium, or internal sign, which is alluded to by Socrates as
a phenomenon peculiar to himself (vi. 496 C). A real element of Socratic
teaching, which is more prominent in the Republic than in any of the other
Dialogues of Plato, is the use of example and illustration (τὰ φορτικὰ αὐτῷ
προσφέροντες, iv. 442 E): ‘Let us apply the test of common instances.’
‘You,’ says Adeimantus, ironically, in the sixth book, ‘are so unaccustomed
to speak in images.’ And this use of examples or images, though truly
Socratic in origin, is enlarged by the genius of Plato into the form of an
allegory or parable, which embodies in the concrete what has been already
described, or is about to be described, in the abstract. Thus the figure of the
cave in Book VII is a recapitulation of the divisions of knowledge in Book
VI. The composite animal in Book IX is an allegory of the parts of the soul.
The noble captain and the ship and the true pilot in Book VI are a figure of
the relation of the people to the philosophers in the State which has been
described. Other figures, such as the dog (ii. 375 A, D; iii. 404 A, 416 A; v.
451 D), or the marriage of the portionless maiden (vi. 495, 496), or the
drones and wasps in the eighth and ninth books, also form links of
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Plato is most true to the character of his master when he describes him as
‘not of this world.’ And with this representation of him the ideal state and
the other paradoxes of the Republic are quite in accordance, though they
cannot be shown to have been speculations of Socrates. To him, as to other
great teachers both philosophical and religious, when they looked upward,
the world seemed to be the embodiment of error and evil. The common
sense of mankind has revolted against this view, or has only partially
admitted it. And even in Socrates himself the sterner judgement of the
multitude at times passes into a sort of ironical pity or love. Men in general
are incapable of philosophy, and are therefore at enmity with the
philosopher; but their misunderstanding of him xvi is unavoidable (vi. 494
foll.; ix. 589 D): for they have never seen him as he truly is in his own
image; they are only acquainted with artificial systems possessing no native
force of truth—words which admit of many applications. Their leaders have
nothing to measure with, and are therefore ignorant of their own stature. But
they are to be pitied or laughed at, not to be quarrelled with; they mean well
with their nostrums, if they could only learn that they are cutting off a
Hydra’s head (iv. 426 D, E). This moderation towards those who are in error
is one of the most characteristic features of Socrates in the Republic (vi.
499–502). In all the different representations of Socrates, whether of
Xenophon or Plato, and amid the differences of the earlier or later
Dialogues, he always retains the character of the unwearied and
disinterested seeker after truth, without which he would have ceased to be
Socrates.

Leaving the characters we may now analyse the contents of the Republic,
and then proceed to consider (1) The general aspects of this Hellenic ideal
of the State, (2) The modern lights in which the thoughts of Plato may be
read.

Republic I.
ANALYSIS.BOOK I. The Republic opens with a truly Greek scene—a festival
in honour of the goddess Bendis which is held in the Piraeus; to this is
added the promise of an equestrian torch-race in the evening. The whole
work is supposed to be recited by Socrates on the day after the festival to a
small party, consisting of Critias, Timaeus, Hermocrates, and another; this
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When the rhetorical advantage of reciting the Dialogue has been gained,
the attention is not distracted by any reference to the audience; nor is the
reader further reminded of the extraordinary length of the narrative. Of the
numerous company, three only take any serious part in the discussion; nor
are we informed whether in the evening they went to the torch-race, or
talked, as in the Symposium, through the night. The manner in which the
conversation has arisen is described as follows:— Stephanus
327 Socrates and his companion Glaucon are about to leave the festival
when they are detained by a message from Polemarchus, who speedily
appears accompanied by Adeimantus, the brother of Glaucon, and with
playful violence compels them to remain, promising them not only xvii the
torch-race, 328 but the pleasure of conversation with the young, which to
Socrates is a far greater attraction. They return to the house of Cephalus,
Polemarchus’ father, now in extreme old age, who is found sitting upon a
cushioned seat crowned for a sacrifice. ‘You should come to me oftener,
Socrates, for I am too old to go to you; and at my time of life, having lost
other pleasures, I care the more for conversation.’ 329 Socrates asks him
what he thinks of age, to which the old man replies, that the sorrows and
discontents of age are to be attributed to the tempers of men, and that age is
a time of peace in which the tyranny of the passions is no longer felt. Yes,
replies Socrates, but the world will say, Cephalus, that you are happy in old
age because you are rich. ‘And there is something in what they say,
Socrates, but not so much as they imagine— 330 as Themistocles replied to
the Seriphian, “Neither you, if you had been an Athenian, nor I, if I had
been a Seriphian, would ever have been famous,” I might in like manner
reply to you, Neither a good poor man can be happy in age, nor yet a bad
rich man.’ Socrates remarks that Cephalus appears not to care about riches,
a quality which he ascribes to his having inherited, not acquired them, and
would like to know what he considers to be the chief advantage of them.
Cephalus answers that when you are old the belief in the world below
grows upon you, and then to have done justice and never to have been
compelled to do injustice through poverty, 331 and never to have deceived
anyone, are felt to be unspeakable blessings. Socrates, who is evidently
preparing for an argument, next asks, What is the meaning of the word
‘justice’? To tell the truth and pay your debts? No more than this? Or must
we admit exceptions? Ought I, for example, to put back into the hands of
my friend, who has gone mad, the sword which I borrowed of him when he
was in his right mind? ‘There must be exceptions.’ ‘And yet,’ says
Polemarchus, ‘the definition which has been given has the authority of
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bequeaths, as Socrates facetiously remarks, the possession of the argument
to his heir, Polemarchus….
Republic I.
INTRODUCTION. The description of old age is finished, and Plato, as his manner
is, has touched the key-note of the whole work in asking for the definition
of justice, first suggesting the question which Glaucon afterwards pursues
respecting external goods, and preparing for xviii the concluding mythus of
the world below in the slight allusion of Cephalus. The portrait of the just
man is a natural frontispiece or introduction to the long discourse which
follows, and may perhaps imply that in all our perplexity about the nature of
justice, there is no difficulty in discerning ‘who is a just man.’ The first
explanation has been supported by a saying of Simonides; and now Socrates
has a mind to show that the resolution of justice into two unconnected
precepts, which have no common principle, fails to satisfy the demands of
dialectic.
Republic I.
ANALYSIS. … 332 He proceeds: What did Simonides mean by this saying of
his? Did he mean that I was to give back arms to a madman? ‘No, not in
that case, not if the parties are friends, and evil would result. He meant that
you were to do what was proper, good to friends and harm to enemies.’
Every act does something to somebody; and following this analogy,
Socrates asks, What is this due and proper thing which justice does, and to
whom? He is answered that justice does good to friends and harm to
enemies. But in what way good or harm? ‘In making alliances with the one,
and going to war with the other.’ Then in time of peace what is the good of
justice? 333 The answer is that justice is of use in contracts, and contracts
are money partnerships. Yes; but how in such partnerships is the just man of
more use than any other man? ‘When you want to have money safely kept
and not used.’ Then justice will be useful when money is useless. And there
is another difficulty: justice, like the art of war or any other art, must be of
opposites, 334 good at attack as well as at defence, at stealing as well as at
guarding. But then justice is a thief, though a hero notwithstanding, like
Autolycus, the Homeric hero, who was ‘excellent above all men in theft and
perjury’—to such a pass have you and Homer and Simonides brought us;
though I do not forget that the thieving must be for the good of friends and
the harm of enemies. And still there arises another question: Are friends to
be interpreted as real or seeming; enemies as real or seeming? 335 And are
our friends to be only the good, and our enemies to be the evil? The answer
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our seeming and real evil enemies—good to the good, evil to the evil. But
ought we to render evil for evil at all, when to do so will only make men
more evil? Can justice produce injustice any more than the art of
horsemanship xix can make bad horsemen, or heat produce cold? The final
conclusion is, that no sage or poet ever said that the just return evil for evil;
this was a maxim of some rich and mighty man, 336 Periander, Perdiccas,
or Ismenias the Theban (about B.C. 398-381)….

Republic I.
INTRODUCTION. Thus the first stage of aphoristic or unconscious morality is
shown to be inadequate to the wants of the age; the authority of the poets is
set aside, and through the winding mazes of dialectic we make an approach
to the Christian precept of forgiveness of injuries. Similar words are applied
by the Persian mystic poet to the Divine being when the questioning spirit is
stirred within him:—‘If because I do evil, Thou punishest me by evil, what
is the difference between Thee and me?’ In this both Plato and Khèyam rise
above the level of many Christian (?) theologians. The first definition of
justice easily passes into the second; for the simple words ‘to speak the
truth and pay your debts’ is substituted the more abstract ‘to do good to
your friends and harm to your enemies.’ Either of these explanations gives a
sufficient rule of life for plain men, but they both fall short of the precision
of philosophy. We may note in passing the antiquity of casuistry, which not
only arises out of the conflict of established principles in particular cases,
but also out of the effort to attain them, and is prior as well as posterior to
our fundamental notions of morality. The ‘interrogation’ of moral ideas; the
appeal to the authority of Homer; the conclusion that the maxim, ‘Do good
to your friends and harm to your enemies,’ being erroneous, could not have
been the word of any great man (cp. ii. 380 A, B), are all of them very
characteristic of the Platonic Socrates.

Republic I.
ANALYSIS. … Here Thrasymachus, who has made several attempts to
interrupt, but has hitherto been kept in order by the company, takes
advantage of a pause and rushes into the arena, beginning, like a savage
animal, with a roar. ‘Socrates,’ he says, ‘what folly is this?—Why do you
agree to be vanquished by one another in a pretended argument?’ He then
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replies that he cannot tell how many twelve is, if he is forbidden to say
2 × 6, or 3 × 4, or 6 × 2, or 4 × 3. At first Thrasymachus is reluctant to
argue; but at length, 338 with a promise of payment on the part of xx the
company and of praise from Socrates, he is induced to open the game.
‘Listen,’ he says, ‘my answer is that might is right, justice the interest of the
stronger: now praise me.’ Let me understand you first. Do you mean that
because Polydamas the wrestler, who is stronger than we are, finds the
eating of beef for his interest, the eating of beef is also for our interest, who
are not so strong? Thrasymachus is indignant at the illustration, and in
pompous words, apparently intended to restore dignity to the argument, he
explains his meaning to be that the rulers make laws for their own interests.
339 But suppose, says Socrates, that the ruler or stronger makes a mistake
—then the interest of the stronger is not his interest. Thrasymachus is saved
from this speedy downfall by his disciple Cleitophon, who introduces the
word ‘thinks;’ 340 —not the actual interest of the ruler, but what he thinks
or what seems to be his interest, is justice. The contradiction is escaped by
the unmeaning evasion: for though his real and apparent interests may
differ, what the ruler thinks to be his interest will always remain what he
thinks to be his interest.
Of course this was not the original assertion, nor is the new interpretation
accepted by Thrasymachus himself. But Socrates is not disposed to quarrel
about words, if, as he significantly insinuates, his adversary has changed his
mind. In what follows Thrasymachus does in fact withdraw his admission
that the ruler may make a mistake, for he affirms that the ruler as a ruler is
infallible. 341 Socrates is quite ready to accept the new position, which he
equally turns against Thrasymachus by the help of the analogy of the arts.
342 Every art or science has an interest, but this interest is to be
distinguished from the accidental interest of the artist, and is only concerned
with the good of the things or persons which come under the art. And
justice has an interest which is the interest not of the ruler or judge, but of
those who come under his sway.
Thrasymachus is on the brink of the inevitable conclusion, when he
makes a bold diversion. 343 ‘Tell me, Socrates,’ he says, ‘have you a
nurse?’ What a question! Why do you ask? ‘Because, if you have, she
neglects you and lets you go about drivelling, and has not even taught you
to know the shepherd from the sheep. For you fancy that shepherds and
rulers never think of their own interest, but only of their sheep or subjects,
xxi whereas the truth is that they fatten them for their use, sheep and subjects
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loser and the unjust the gainer, 344 especially where injustice is on the
grand scale, which is quite another thing from the petty rogueries of
swindlers and burglars and robbers of temples. The language of men proves
this—our ‘gracious’ and ‘blessed’ tyrant and the like—all which tends to
show (1) that justice is the interest of the stronger; and (2) that injustice is
more profitable and also stronger than justice.’
Thrasymachus, who is better at a speech than at a close argument, having
deluged the company with words, has a mind to escape. 345 But the others
will not let him go, and Socrates adds a humble but earnest request that he
will not desert them at such a crisis of their fate. ‘And what can I do more
for you?’ he says; ‘would you have me put the words bodily into your
souls?’ God forbid! replies Socrates; but we want you to be consistent in the
use of terms, and not to employ ‘physician’ in an exact sense, and then
again ‘shepherd’ or ‘ruler’ in an inexact,—if the words are strictly taken, the
ruler and the shepherd look only to the good of their people or flocks and
not to their own: whereas you insist that rulers are solely actuated by love of
office. ‘No doubt about it,’ replies Thrasymachus. 346 Then why are they
paid? Is not the reason, that their interest is not comprehended in their art,
and is therefore the concern of another art, the art of pay, which is common
to the arts in general, and therefore not identical with any one of them?
347 Nor would any man be a ruler unless he were induced by the hope of
reward or the fear of punishment;—the reward is money or honour, the
punishment is the necessity of being ruled by a man worse than himself.
And if a State [or Church] were composed entirely of good men, they would
be affected by the last motive only; and there would be as much ‘nolo
episcopari’ as there is at present of the opposite….
Republic I.
INTRODUCTION.The satire on existing governments is heightened by the simple
and apparently incidental manner in which the last remark is introduced.
There is a similar irony in the argument that the governors of mankind do
not like being in office, and that therefore they demand pay.
Republic I.
ANALYSIS. … Enough of this: the other assertion of Thrasymachus is far xxii
more important—that the unjust life is more gainful than the just. 348 Now,
as you and I, Glaucon, are not convinced by him, we must reply to him; but
if we try to compare their respective gains we shall want a judge to decide
for us; we had better therefore proceed by making mutual admissions of the
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Thrasymachus had asserted that perfect injustice was more gainful than
perfect justice, and after a little hesitation he is induced by Socrates 349 to
admit the still greater paradox that injustice is virtue and justice vice.
Socrates praises his frankness, and assumes the attitude of one whose only
wish is to understand the meaning of his opponents. At the same time he is
weaving a net in which Thrasymachus is finally enclosed. The admission is
elicited from him that the just man seeks to gain an advantage over the
unjust only, but not over the just, while the unjust would gain an advantage
over either. Socrates, in order to test this statement, employs once more the
favourite analogy of the arts. 350 The musician, doctor, skilled artist of any
sort, does not seek to gain more than the skilled, but only more than the
unskilled (that is to say, he works up to a rule, standard, law, and does not
exceed it), whereas the unskilled makes random efforts at excess. Thus the
skilled falls on the side of the good, and the unskilled on the side of the evil,
and the just is the skilled, and the unjust is the unskilled.
There was great difficulty in bringing Thrasymachus to the point; the day
was hot and he was streaming with perspiration, and for the first time in his
life he was seen to blush. But his other thesis that injustice was stronger
than justice has not yet been refuted, and Socrates now proceeds to the
consideration of this, which, with the assistance of Thrasymachus, he hopes
to clear up; the latter is at first churlish, but in the judicious hands of
Socrates is soon restored to good humour: 351 Is there not honour among
thieves? Is not the strength of injustice only a remnant of justice? Is not
absolute injustice absolute weakness also? 352 A house that is divided
against itself cannot stand; two men who quarrel detract from one another’s
strength, and he who is at war with himself is the enemy of himself and the
gods. Not wickedness therefore, but semi-wickedness flourishes in states,—
a remnant of good is needed in order to make union in action possible,—
there is no kingdom of evil in this world.
xxiii Another question has not been answered: Is the just or the unjust the
happier? To this we reply, that every art has an end and an excellence or
virtue by which the end is accomplished. And is not the end of the soul
happiness, and justice the excellence of the soul by which happiness is
attained? 354 Justice and happiness being thus shown to be inseparable, the
question whether the just or the unjust is the happier has disappeared.
Thrasymachus replies: ‘Let this be your entertainment, Socrates, at the
festival of Bendis.’ Yes; and a very good entertainment with which your
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good entertainment—but that was my own fault, for I tasted of too many
things. First of all the nature of justice was the subject of our enquiry, and
then whether justice is virtue and wisdom, or evil and folly; and then the
comparative advantages of just and unjust: and the sum of all is that I know
not what justice is; how then shall I know whether the just is happy or
not?…
Republic I.
INTRODUCTION. Thus the sophistical fabric has been demolished, chiefly by
appealing to the analogy of the arts. ‘Justice is like the arts (1) in having no
external interest, and (2) in not aiming at excess, and (3) justice is to
happiness what the implement of the workman is to his work.’ At this the
modern reader is apt to stumble, because he forgets that Plato is writing in
an age when the arts and the virtues, like the moral and intellectual
faculties, were still undistinguished. Among early enquirers into the nature
of human action the arts helped to fill up the void of speculation; and at first
the comparison of the arts and the virtues was not perceived by them to be
fallacious. They only saw the points of agreement in them and not the
points of difference. Virtue, like art, must take means to an end; good
manners are both an art and a virtue; character is naturally described under
the image of a statue (ii. 361 D; vii. 540 C); and there are many other
figures of speech which are readily transferred from art to morals. The next
generation cleared up these perplexities; or at least supplied after ages with
a further analysis of them. The contemporaries of Plato were in a state of
transition, and had not yet fully realized the common-sense distinction of
Aristotle, that ‘virtue is concerned with action, art with production’ (Nic.
Eth. vi. 4), or that ‘virtue implies intention and constancy of purpose,’ xxiv
whereas ‘art requires knowledge only’ (Nic. Eth. vi. 3). And yet in the
absurdities which follow from some uses of the analogy (cp. i. 333 E, 334
B), there seems to be an intimation conveyed that virtue is more than art.
This is implied in the reductio ad absurdum that ‘justice is a thief,’ and in
the dissatisfaction which Socrates expresses at the final result.
The expression ‘an art of pay’ (i. 346 B) which is described as ‘common
to all the arts’ is not in accordance with the ordinary use of language. Nor is
it employed elsewhere either by Plato or by any other Greek writer. It is
suggested by the argument, and seems to extend the conception of art to
doing as well as making. Another flaw or inaccuracy of language may be
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For those who are injured are not necessarily made worse, but only harmed
or ill-treated.
The second of the three arguments, ‘that the just does not aim at excess,’
has a real meaning, though wrapped up in an enigmatical form. That the
good is of the nature of the finite is a peculiarly Hellenic sentiment, which
may be compared with the language of those modern writers who speak of
virtue as fitness, and of freedom as obedience to law. The mathematical or
logical notion of limit easily passes into an ethical one, and even finds a
mythological expression in the conception of envy (φθόνος). Ideas of
measure, equality, order, unity, proportion, still linger in the writings of
moralists; and the true spirit of the fine arts is better conveyed by such
terms than by superlatives.

‘When workmen strive to do better than well,
They do confound their skill in covetousness.’
(King John, Act iv. Sc. 2.)

The harmony of the soul and body (iii. 402 D), and of the parts of the soul
with one another (iv. 442 C), a harmony ‘fairer than that of musical notes,’
is the true Hellenic mode of conceiving the perfection of human nature.
In what may be called the epilogue of the discussion with Thrasymachus,
Plato argues that evil is not a principle of strength, but of discord and
dissolution, just touching the question which has been often treated in
modern times by theologians and philosophers, of the negative nature of
evil (cp. on the other hand x. 610). In the last argument we trace the germ of
the xxv Aristotelian doctrine of an end and a virtue directed towards the end,
which again is suggested by the arts. The final reconcilement of justice and
happiness and the identity of the individual and the State are also intimated.
Socrates reassumes the character of a ‘know-nothing;’ at the same time he
appears to be not wholly satisfied with the manner in which the argument
has been conducted. Nothing is concluded; but the tendency of the
dialectical process, here as always, is to enlarge our conception of ideas,
and to widen their application to human life.

Republic II.
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insists on continuing the argument. He is not satisfied with the indirect
manner in which, at the end of the last book, Socrates had disposed of the
question ‘Whether the just or the unjust is the happier.’ He begins by
dividing goods into three classes:—first, goods desirable in themselves;
secondly, goods desirable in themselves and for their results; thirdly, goods
desirable for their results only. He then asks Socrates in which of the three
classes he would place justice. 358 In the second class, replies Socrates,
among goods desirable for themselves and also for their results. ‘Then the
world in general are of another mind, for they say that justice belongs to the
troublesome class of goods which are desirable for their results only.’
Socrates answers that this is the doctrine of Thrasymachus which he rejects.
Glaucon thinks that Thrasymachus was too ready to listen to the voice of
the charmer, and proposes to consider the nature of justice and injustice in
themselves and apart from the results and rewards of them which the world
is always dinning in his ears. He will first of all speak of the nature and
origin of justice; secondly, of the manner in which men view justice as a
necessity and not a good; and thirdly, he will prove the reasonableness of
this view.
‘To do injustice is said to be a good; to suffer injustice an evil. As the evil
is discovered by experience to be greater than the good, 359 the sufferers,
who cannot also be doers, make a compact that they will have neither, and
this compact or mean is called justice, but is really the impossibility of
doing injustice. No one would observe such a compact if he were not
obliged. Let us suppose that the just and unjust have two rings, like that of
Gyges xxvi in the well-known story, which make them invisible, 360 and
then no difference will appear in them, for every one will do evil if he can.
And he who abstains will be regarded by the world as a fool for his pains.
Men may praise him in public out of fear for themselves, but they will
laugh at him in their hearts. (Cp. Gorgias, 483 B.)
‘And now let us frame an ideal of the just and unjust. Imagine the unjust
man to be master of his craft, seldom making mistakes and easily correcting
them; having gifts of money, speech, strength— 361 the greatest villain
bearing the highest character: and at his side let us place the just in his
nobleness and simplicity—being, not seeming—without name or reward—
clothed in his justice only—the best of men who is thought to be the worst,
and let him die as he has lived. I might add (but I would rather put the rest
into the mouth of the panegyrists of injustice—they will tell you) that the
just man will be scourged, racked, bound, will have his eyes put out, and
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have preferred seeming to being. 362 How different is the case of the unjust
who clings to appearance as the true reality! His high character makes him a
ruler; he can marry where he likes, trade where he likes, help his friends and
hurt his enemies; having got rich by dishonesty he can worship the gods
better, and will therefore be more loved by them than the just.’
I was thinking what to answer, when Adeimantus joined in the already
unequal fray. He considered that the most important point of all had been
omitted:—‘Men are taught to be just for the sake of rewards; 363 parents
and guardians make reputation the incentive to virtue. And other advantages
are promised by them of a more solid kind, such as wealthy marriages and
high offices. There are the pictures in Homer and Hesiod of fat sheep and
heavy fleeces, rich corn-fields and trees toppling with fruit, which the gods
provide in this life for the just. And the Orphic poets add a similar picture of
another. The heroes of Musaeus and Eumolpus lie on couches at a festival,
with garlands on their heads, enjoying as the meed of virtue a paradise of
immortal drunkenness. Some go further, and speak of a fair posterity in the
third and fourth generation. But the wicked they bury in a slough and make
them carry water in a sieve: and in this life they xxvii attribute to them the
infamy which Glaucon was assuming to be the lot of the just who are
supposed to be unjust.
‘ 364 Take another kind of argument which is found both in poetry and
prose:—“Virtue,” as Hesiod says, “is honourable but difficult, vice is easy
and profitable.” You may often see the wicked in great prosperity and the
righteous afflicted by the will of heaven. And mendicant prophets knock at
rich men’s doors, promising to atone for the sins of themselves or their
fathers in an easy fashion with sacrifices and festive games, or with charms
and invocations to get rid of an enemy good or bad by divine help and at a
small charge;—they appeal to books professing to be written by Musaeus
and Orpheus, and carry away the minds of whole cities, and promise to “get
souls out of purgatory;” and if we refuse to listen to them, 365 no one
knows what will happen to us.
‘When a lively-minded ingenuous youth hears all this, what will be his
conclusion? “Will he,” in the language of Pindar, “make justice his high
tower, or fortify himself with crooked deceit?” Justice, he reflects, without
the appearance of justice, is misery and ruin; injustice has the promise of a
glorious life. Appearance is master of truth and lord of happiness. To
appearance then I will turn,—I will put on the show of virtue and trail
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is not easily concealed,” to which I reply that “nothing great is easy.” Union
and force and rhetoric will do much; and if men say that they cannot prevail
over the gods, still how do we know that there are gods? Only from the
poets, who acknowledge that they may be appeased by sacrifices. 366 Then
why not sin and pay for indulgences out of your sin? For if the righteous are
only unpunished, still they have no further reward, while the wicked may be
unpunished and have the pleasure of sinning too. But what of the world
below? Nay, says the argument, there are atoning powers who will set that
matter right, as the poets, who are the sons of the gods, tell us; and this is
confirmed by the authority of the State.
‘How can we resist such arguments in favour of injustice? Add good
manners, and, as the wise tell us, we shall make the best of both worlds.
Who that is not a miserable caitiff will refrain from smiling at the praises of
justice? Even if a man knows the better part he will not be angry with
others; for he knows also that xxviii more than human virtue is needed to
save a man, and that he only praises justice who is incapable of injustice.
‘The origin of the evil is that all men from the beginning, heroes, poets,
instructors of youth, have always asserted “the temporal dispensation,” the
honours and profits of justice. 367 Had we been taught in early youth the
power of justice and injustice inherent in the soul, and unseen by any
human or divine eye, we should not have needed others to be our guardians,
but every one would have been the guardian of himself. This is what I want
you to show, Socrates;—other men use arguments which rather tend to
strengthen the position of Thrasymachus that “might is right;” but from you
I expect better things. And please, as Glaucon said, to exclude reputation;
let the just be thought unjust and the unjust just, and do you still prove to us
the superiority of justice.’…
Republic II.
INTRODUCTION. The thesis, which for the sake of argument has been
maintained by Glaucon, is the converse of that of Thrasymachus—not right
is the interest of the stronger, but right is the necessity of the weaker.
Starting from the same premises he carries the analysis of society a step
further back;—might is still right, but the might is the weakness of the
many combined against the strength of the few.
There have been theories in modern as well as in ancient times which
have a family likeness to the speculations of Glaucon; e.g. that power is the
foundation of right; or that a monarch has a divine right to govern well or
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p
state of man; or that private vices are public benefits. All such theories have
a kind of plausibility from their partial agreement with experience. For
human nature oscillates between good and evil, and the motives of actions
and the origin of institutions may be explained to a certain extent on either
hypothesis according to the character or point of view of a particular
thinker. The obligation of maintaining authority under all circumstances and
sometimes by rather questionable means is felt strongly and has become a
sort of instinct among civilized men. The divine right of kings, or more
generally of governments, is one of the forms under which this natural
feeling is expressed. Nor again is there any evil which has not some
accompaniment of good or pleasure; nor any good xxix which is free from
some alloy of evil; nor any noble or generous thought which may not be
attended by a shadow or the ghost of a shadow of self-interest or of self-
love. We know that all human actions are imperfect; but we do not therefore
attribute them to the worse rather than to the better motive or principle.
Such a philosophy is both foolish and false, like that opinion of the clever
rogue who assumes all other men to be like himself (iii. 409 C). And
theories of this sort do not represent the real nature of the State, which is
based on a vague sense of right gradually corrected and enlarged by custom
and law (although capable also of perversion), any more than they describe
the origin of society, which is to be sought in the family and in the social
and religious feelings of man. Nor do they represent the average character
of individuals, which cannot be explained simply on a theory of evil, but
has always a counteracting element of good. And as men become better
such theories appear more and more untruthful to them, because they are
more conscious of their own disinterestedness. A little experience may
make a man a cynic; a great deal will bring him back to a truer and kindlier
view of the mixed nature of himself and his fellow men.
The two brothers ask Socrates to prove to them that the just is happy
when they have taken from him all that in which happiness is ordinarily
supposed to consist. Not that there is (1) any absurdity in the attempt to
frame a notion of justice apart from circumstances. For the ideal must
always be a paradox when compared with the ordinary conditions of human
life. Neither the Stoical ideal nor the Christian ideal is true as a fact, but
they may serve as a basis of education, and may exercise an ennobling
influence. An ideal is none the worse because ‘some one has made the
discovery’ that no such ideal was ever realized. (Cp. v. 472 D.) And in a few
exceptional individuals who are raised above the ordinary level of
humanity, the ideal of happiness may be realized in death and misery. This
may be the state which the reason deliberately approves, and which the

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utilitarian as well as every other moralist may be bound in certain cases to
prefer.
Nor again, (2) must we forget that Plato, though he agrees generally with
the view implied in the argument of the two brothers, is not expressing his
own final conclusion, but rather xxx seeking to dramatize one of the aspects
of ethical truth. He is developing his idea gradually in a series of positions
or situations. He is exhibiting Socrates for the first time undergoing the
Socratic interrogation. Lastly, (3) the word ‘happiness’ involves some
degree of confusion because associated in the language of modern
philosophy with conscious pleasure or satisfaction, which was not equally
present to his mind.
Glaucon has been drawing a picture of the misery of the just and the
happiness of the unjust, to which the misery of the tyrant in Book IX is the
answer and parallel. And still the unjust must appear just; that is ‘the
homage which vice pays to virtue.’ But now Adeimantus, taking up the hint
which had been already given by Glaucon (ii. 358 C), proceeds to show that
in the opinion of mankind justice is regarded only for the sake of rewards
and reputation, and points out the advantage which is given to such
arguments as those of Thrasymachus and Glaucon by the conventional
morality of mankind. He seems to feel the difficulty of ‘justifying the ways
of God to man.’ Both the brothers touch upon the question, whether the
morality of actions is determined by their consequences (cp. iv. 420 foll.);
and both of them go beyond the position of Socrates, that justice belongs to
the class of goods not desirable for themselves only, but desirable for
themselves and for their results, to which he recalls them. In their attempt to
view justice as an internal principle, and in their condemnation of the poets,
they anticipate him. The common life of Greece is not enough for them;
they must penetrate deeper into the nature of things.
It has been objected that justice is honesty in the sense of Glaucon and
Adeimantus, but is taken by Socrates to mean all virtue. May we not more
truly say that the old-fashioned notion of justice is enlarged by Socrates,
and becomes equivalent to universal order or well-being, first in the State,
and secondly in the individual? He has found a new answer to his old
question (Protag. 329), ‘whether the virtues are one or many,’ viz. that one
is the ordering principle of the three others. In seeking to establish the
purely internal nature of justice, he is met by the fact that man is a social
being, and he tries to harmonise the two opposite theses as well as he can.
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country; xxxi there is no use in turning upon him the cross lights of modern
philosophy, which, from some other point of view, would appear equally
inconsistent. Plato does not give the final solution of philosophical
questions for us; nor can he be judged of by our standard.
The remainder of the Republic is developed out of the question of the
sons of Ariston. Three points are deserving of remark in what immediately
follows:—First, that the answer of Socrates is altogether indirect. He does
not say that happiness consists in the contemplation of the idea of justice,
and still less will he be tempted to affirm the Stoical paradox that the just
man can be happy on the rack. But first he dwells on the difficulty of the
problem and insists on restoring man to his natural condition, before he will
answer the question at all. He too will frame an ideal, but his ideal
comprehends not only abstract justice, but the whole relations of man.
Under the fanciful illustration of the large letters he implies that he will only
look for justice in society, and that from the State he will proceed to the
individual. His answer in substance amounts to this,—that under favourable
conditions, i.e. in the perfect State, justice and happiness will coincide, and
that when justice has been once found, happiness may be left to take care of
itself. That he falls into some degree of inconsistency, when in the tenth
book (612 A) he claims to have got rid of the rewards and honours of
justice, may be admitted; for he has left those which exist in the perfect
State. And the philosopher ‘who retires under the shelter of a wall’ (vi. 496)
can hardly have been esteemed happy by him, at least not in this world. Still
he maintains the true attitude of moral action. Let a man do his duty first,
without asking whether he will be happy or not, and happiness will be the
inseparable accident which attends him. ‘Seek ye first the kingdom of God
and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.’
Secondly, it may be remarked that Plato preserves the genuine character
of Greek thought in beginning with the State and in going on to the
individual. First ethics, then politics—this is the order of ideas to us; the
reverse is the order of history. Only after many struggles of thought does the
individual assert his right as a moral being. In early ages he is not one, but
one of many, the citizen of a State which is prior to him; and he xxxii has no
notion of good or evil apart from the law of his country or the creed of his
church. And to this type he is constantly tending to revert, whenever the
influence of custom, or of party spirit, or the recollection of the past
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Thirdly, we may observe the confusion or identification of the individual
and the State, of ethics and politics, which pervades early Greek
speculation, and even in modern times retains a certain degree of influence.
The subtle difference between the collective and individual action of
mankind seems to have escaped early thinkers, and we too are sometimes in
danger of forgetting the conditions of united human action, whenever we
either elevate politics into ethics, or lower ethics to the standard of politics.
The good man and the good citizen only coincide in the perfect State; and
this perfection cannot be attained by legislation acting upon them from
without, but, if at all, by education fashioning them from within.
Republic II.
ANALYSIS. … Socrates praises the sons of Ariston, 368 ‘inspired offspring of
the renowned hero,’ as the elegiac poet terms them; but he does not
understand how they can argue so eloquently on behalf of injustice while
their character shows that they are uninfluenced by their own arguments. He
knows not how to answer them, although he is afraid of deserting justice in
the hour of need. He therefore makes a condition, that having weak eyes he
shall be allowed to read the large letters first and then go on to the smaller,
that is, he must look for justice in the State first, and will then proceed to
the individual. 369 Accordingly he begins to construct the State.
Society arises out of the wants of man. His first want is food; his second
a house; his third a coat. The sense of these needs and the possibility of
satisfying them by exchange, draw individuals together on the same spot;
and this is the beginning of a State, which we take the liberty to invent,
although necessity is the real inventor. There must be first a husbandman,
secondly a builder, thirdly a weaver, to which may be added a cobbler. Four
or five citizens at least are required to make a city. 370 Now men have
different natures, and one man will do one thing better than many; and
business waits for no man. Hence there must be a division of labour into
different employments; into wholesale and retail trade; into workers, and
makers of workmen’s xxxiii tools; into shepherds and husbandmen. A city
which includes all this will have far exceeded the limit of four or five, and
yet not be very large. 371 But then again imports will be required, and
imports necessitate exports, and this implies variety of produce in order to
attract the taste of purchasers; also merchants and ships. In the city too we
must have a market and money and retail trades; otherwise buyers and
sellers will never meet, and the valuable time of the producers will be
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complete. And we may guess that 372 somewhere in the intercourse of the
citizens with one another justice and injustice will appear.
Here follows a rustic picture of their way of life. They spend their days in
houses which they have built for themselves; they make their own clothes
and produce their own corn and wine. Their principal food is meal and
flour, and they drink in moderation. They live on the best of terms with each
other, and take care not to have too many children. ‘But,’ said Glaucon,
interposing, ‘are they not to have a relish?’ Certainly; they will have salt
and olives and cheese, vegetables and fruits, and chestnuts to roast at the
fire. ‘’Tis a city of pigs, Socrates.’ Why, I replied, what do you want more?
‘Only the comforts of life,—sofas and tables, also sauces and sweets.’ I see;
you want not only a State, but a luxurious State; and possibly in the more
complex frame we may sooner find justice and injustice. Then 373 the fine
arts must go to work—every conceivable instrument and ornament of
luxury will be wanted. There will be dancers, painters, sculptors, musicians,
cooks, barbers, tire-women, nurses, artists; swineherds and neatherds too
for the animals, and physicians to cure the disorders of which luxury is the
source. To feed all these superfluous mouths we shall need a part of our
neighbour’s land, and they will want a part of ours. And this is the origin of
war, which may be traced to the same causes as other political evils.
374 Our city will now require the slight addition of a camp, and the citizen
will be converted into a soldier. But then again our old doctrine of the
division of labour must not be forgotten. The art of war cannot be learned in
a day, and there must be a natural aptitude for military duties. There will be
some warlike natures 375 who have this aptitude—dogs keen of scent,
swift of foot to pursue, and strong of limb to fight. And xxxiv as spirit is the
foundation of courage, such natures, whether of men or animals, will be full
of spirit. But these spirited natures are apt to bite and devour one another;
the union of gentleness to friends and fierceness against enemies appears to
be an impossibility, and the guardian of a State requires both qualities. Who
then can be a guardian? The image of the dog suggests an answer. 376 For
dogs are gentle to friends and fierce to strangers. Your dog is a philosopher
who judges by the rule of knowing or not knowing; and philosophy,
whether in man or beast, is the parent of gentleness. The human watchdogs
must be philosophers or lovers of learning which will make them gentle.
And how are they to be learned without education?
But what shall their education be? Is any better than the old-fashioned
sort which is comprehended under the name of music and gymnastic?
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‘What do you mean?’ he said. I mean that children hear stories before they
learn gymnastics, and that the stories are either untrue, or have at most one
or two grains of truth in a bushel of falsehood. Now early life is very
impressible, and children ought not to learn what they will have to unlearn
when they grow up; we must therefore have a censorship of nursery tales,
banishing some and keeping others. Some of them are very improper, as we
may see in the great instances of Homer and Hesiod, who not only tell lies
but bad lies; stories about Uranus and Saturn, 378 which are immoral as
well as false, and which should never be spoken of to young persons, or
indeed at all; or, if at all, then in a mystery, after the sacrifice, not of an
Eleusinian pig, but of some unprocurable animal. Shall our youth be
encouraged to beat their fathers by the example of Zeus, or our citizens be
incited to quarrel by hearing or seeing representations of strife among the
gods? Shall they listen to the narrative of Hephaestus binding his mother,
and of Zeus sending him flying for helping her when she was beaten? Such
tales may possibly have a mystical interpretation, but the young are
incapable of understanding allegory. 379 If any one asks what tales are to
be allowed, we will answer that we are legislators and not book-makers; we
only lay down the principles according to which books are to be written; to
write them is the duty of others.
xxxv And our first principle is, that God must be represented as he is; not
as the author of all things, but of good only. We will not suffer the poets to
say that he is the steward of good and evil, or that he has two casks full of
destinies;—or that Athene and Zeus incited Pandarus to break the treaty; or
that 380 God caused the sufferings of Niobe, or of Pelops, or the Trojan
war; or that he makes men sin when he wishes to destroy them. Either these
were not the actions of the gods, or God was just, and men were the better
for being punished. But that the deed was evil, and God the author, is a
wicked, suicidal fiction which we will allow no one, old or young, to utter.
This is our first and great principle—God is the author of good only.
And the second principle is like unto it:—With God is no variableness or
change of form. Reason teaches us this; for if we suppose a change in God,
he must be changed either by another or by himself. By another?—but the
best works of nature and art 381 and the noblest qualities of mind are least
liable to be changed by any external force. By himself?—but he cannot
change for the better; he will hardly change for the worse. He remains for
ever fairest and best in his own image. Therefore we refuse to listen to the
poets who tell us of Here begging in the likeness of a priestess or of other
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nonsense with which mothers fool the manhood out of their children must
be suppressed. But 382 some one will say that God, who is himself
unchangeable, may take a form in relation to us. Why should he? For gods
as well as men hate the lie in the soul, or principle of falsehood; and as for
any other form of lying which is used for a purpose and is regarded as
innocent in certain exceptional cases—what need have the gods of this? For
they are not ignorant of antiquity like the poets, nor are they afraid of their
enemies, nor is any madman a friend of theirs. 383 God then is true, he is
absolutely true; he changes not, he deceives not, by day or night, by word or
sign. This is our second great principle—God is true. Away with the lying
dream of Agamemnon in Homer, and the accusation of Thetis against
Apollo in Aeschylus….
Republic II.
INTRODUCTION. In order to give clearness to his conception of the State, Plato
proceeds to trace the first principles of mutual need and of xxxvi division of
labour in an imaginary community of four or five citizens. Gradually this
community increases; the division of labour extends to countries; imports
necessitate exports; a medium of exchange is required, and retailers sit in
the market-place to save the time of the producers. These are the steps by
which Plato constructs the first or primitive State, introducing the elements
of political economy by the way. As he is going to frame a second or
civilized State, the simple naturally comes before the complex. He indulges,
like Rousseau, in a picture of primitive life—an idea which has indeed often
had a powerful influence on the imagination of mankind, but he does not
seriously mean to say that one is better than the other (cp. Politicus, p. 272);
nor can any inference be drawn from the description of the first state taken
apart from the second, such as Aristotle appears to draw in the Politics, iv.
4, 12 (cp. again Politicus, 272). We should not interpret a Platonic dialogue
any more than a poem or a parable in too literal or matter-of-fact a style. On
the other hand, when we compare the lively fancy of Plato with the dried-up
abstractions of modern treatises on philosophy, we are compelled to say
with Protagoras, that the ‘mythus is more interesting’ (Protag. 320 D).
Several interesting remarks which in modern times would have a place in
a treatise on Political Economy are scattered up and down the writings of
Plato: cp. especially Laws, v. 740, Population; viii. 847, Free Trade; xi. 916-
7, Adulteration; 923-4, Wills and Bequests; 930, Begging; Eryxias, (though
not Plato’s), Value and Demand; Republic, ii. 369 ff., Division of Labour.
The last subject, and also the origin of Retail Trade, is treated with
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combined his economic ideas into a system, and never seems to have
recognized that Trade is one of the great motive powers of the State and of
the world. He would make retail traders only of the inferior sort of citizens
(Rep. ii. 371; cp. Laws, viii. 847), though he remarks, quaintly enough
(Laws, ix. 918 D), that ‘if only the best men and the best women
everywhere were compelled to keep taverns for a time or to carry on retail
trade, etc., then we should knew how pleasant and agreeable all these things
are.’
The disappointment of Glaucon at the ‘city of pigs,’ the ludicrous
description of the ministers of luxury in the more refined xxxvii State, and
the afterthought of the necessity of doctors, the illustration of the nature of
the guardian taken from the dog, the desirableness of offering some almost
unprocurable victim when impure mysteries are to be celebrated, the
behaviour of Zeus to his father and of Hephaestus to his mother, are touches
of humour which have also a serious meaning. In speaking of education
Plato rather startles us by affirming that a child must be trained in falsehood
first and in truth afterwards. Yet this is not very different from saying that
children must be taught through the medium of imagination as well as
reason; that their minds can only develope gradually, and that there is much
which they must learn without understanding (cp. iii. 402 A). This is also
the substance of Plato’s view, though he must be acknowledged to have
drawn the line somewhat differently from modern ethical writers, respecting
truth and falsehood. To us, economies or accommodations would not be
allowable unless they were required by the human faculties or necessary for
the communication of knowledge to the simple and ignorant. We should
insist that the word was inseparable from the intention, and that we must not
be ‘falsely true,’ i.e. speak or act falsely in support of what was right or true.
But Plato would limit the use of fictions only by requiring that they should
have a good moral effect, and that such a dangerous weapon as falsehood
should be employed by the rulers alone and for great objects.
A Greek in the age of Plato attached no importance to the question
whether his religion was an historical fact. He was just beginning to be
conscious that the past had a history; but he could see nothing beyond
Homer and Hesiod. Whether their narratives were true or false did not
seriously affect the political or social life of Hellas. Men only began to
suspect that they were fictions when they recognised them to be immoral.
And so in all religions: the consideration of their morality comes first,
afterwards the truth of the documents in which they are recorded, or of the
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and in Protestant countries perhaps more than in Catholic, we have been too
much inclined to identify the historical with the moral; and some have
refused to believe in religion at all, unless a superhuman accuracy was
discernible in every part of the record. The facts of an ancient xxxviii or
religious history are amongst the most important of all facts; but they are
frequently uncertain, and we only learn the true lesson which is to be
gathered from them when we place ourselves above them. These reflections
tend to show that the difference between Plato and ourselves, though not
unimportant, is not so great as might at first sight appear. For we should
agree with him in placing the moral before the historical truth of religion;
and, generally, in disregarding those errors or misstatements of fact which
necessarily occur in the early stages of all religions. We know also that
changes in the traditions of a country cannot be made in a day; and are
therefore tolerant of many things which science and criticism would
condemn.
We note in passing that the allegorical interpretation of mythology, said
to have been first introduced as early as the sixth century before Christ by
Theagenes of Rhegium, was well established in the age of Plato, and here,
as in the Phaedrus (229–30), though for a different reason, was rejected by
him. That anachronisms whether of religion or law, when men have reached
another stage of civilization, should be got rid of by fictions is in
accordance with universal experience. Great is the art of interpretation; and
by a natural process, which when once discovered was always going on,
what could not be altered was explained away. And so without any palpable
inconsistency there existed side by side two forms of religion, the tradition
inherited or invented by the poets and the customary worship of the temple;
on the other hand, there was the religion of the philosopher, who was
dwelling in the heaven of ideas, but did not therefore refuse to offer a cock
to Æsculapius, or to be seen saying his prayers at the rising of the sun. At
length the antagonism between the popular and philosophical religion,
never so great among the Greeks as in our own age, disappeared, and was
only felt like the difference between the religion of the educated and
uneducated among ourselves. The Zeus of Homer and Hesiod easily passed
into the ‘royal mind’ of Plato (Philebus, 28); the giant Heracles became the
knight-errant and benefactor of mankind. These and still more wonderful
transformations were readily effected by the ingenuity of Stoics and neo-
Platonists in the two or three centuries before and after Christ. The Greek
and Roman religions were gradually permeated by the spirit of philosophy;
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morality; and probably were never purer than at the time of their decay,
when their influence over the world was waning.
A singular conception which occurs towards the end of the book is the lie
in the soul; this is connected with the Platonic and Socratic doctrine that
involuntary ignorance is worse than voluntary. The lie in the soul is a true
lie, the corruption of the highest truth, the deception of the highest part of
the soul, from which he who is deceived has no power of delivering
himself. For example, to represent God as false or immoral, or, according to
Plato, as deluding men with appearances or as the author of evil; or again,
to affirm with Protagoras that ‘knowledge is sensation,’ or that ‘being is
becoming,’ or with Thrasymachus ‘that might is right,’ would have been
regarded by Plato as a lie of this hateful sort. The greatest unconsciousness
of the greatest untruth, e.g. if, in the language of the Gospels (John iv. 41),
‘he who was blind’ were to say ‘I see,’ is another aspect of the state of mind
which Plato is describing. The lie in the soul may be further compared with
the sin against the Holy Ghost (Luke xii. 10), allowing for the difference
between Greek and Christian modes of speaking. To this is opposed the lie
in words, which is only such a deception as may occur in a play or poem, or
allegory or figure of speech, or in any sort of accommodation,—which
though useless to the gods may be useful to men in certain cases. Socrates is
here answering the question which he had himself raised (i. 331 C) about
the propriety of deceiving a madman; and he is also contrasting the nature
of God and man. For God is Truth, but mankind can only be true by
appearing sometimes to be partial, or false. Reserving for another place the
greater questions of religion or education, we may note further, (1) the
approval of the old traditional education of Greece; (2) the preparation
which Plato is making for the attack on Homer and the poets; (3) the
preparation which he is also making for the use of economies in the State;
(4) the contemptuous and at the same time euphemistic manner in which
here as below (iii. 390) he alludes to the Chronique Scandaleuse of the
gods.

Republic III.
ANALYSIS. BOOK III. 386 There is another motive in purifying religion,
which is to banish fear; for no man can be courageous who is xl afraid of
death, or who believes the tales which are repeated by the poets concerning
the world below. They must be gently requested not to abuse hell; they may
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they be angry if we expunge obnoxious passages, such as the depressing
words of Achilles—‘I would rather be a serving-man than rule over all the
dead;’ and the verses which tell of the squalid mansions, the senseless
shadows, the flitting soul mourning over lost strength and youth, 387 the
soul with a gibber going beneath the earth like smoke, or the souls of the
suitors which flutter about like bats. The terrors and horrors of Cocytus and
Styx, ghosts and sapless shades, and the rest of their Tartarean
nomenclature, must vanish. Such tales may have their use; but they are not
the proper food for soldiers. As little can we admit the sorrows and
sympathies of the Homeric heroes:—Achilles, the son of Thetis, in tears,
throwing ashes on his head, or pacing up and down the sea-shore in
distraction; or Priam, the cousin of the gods, crying aloud, rolling in the
mire. A good man is not prostrated at the loss of children or fortune. Neither
is death terrible to him; and therefore lamentations over the dead should not
be practised by men of note; 388 they should be the concern of inferior
persons only, whether women or men. Still worse is the attribution of such
weakness to the gods; as when the goddesses say, ‘Alas! my travail!’ and
worst of all, when the king of heaven himself laments his inability to save
Hector, or sorrows over the impending doom of his dear Sarpedon. Such a
character of God, if not ridiculed by our young men, is likely to be imitated
by them. Nor should our citizens be given to excess of laughter—‘Such
violent delights’ are followed by a violent re-action. The description in the
Iliad of the gods shaking their sides at the clumsiness of Hephaestus will
not be admitted by us. ‘Certainly not.’
Truth should have a high place among the virtues, for falsehood, as we
were saying, is useless to the gods, and only useful to men as a medicine.
But this employment of falsehood must remain a privilege of state; the
common man must not in return tell a lie to the ruler; any more than the
patient would tell a lie to his physician, or the sailor to his captain.
In the next place our youth must be temperate, and temperance consists
in self-control and obedience to authority. That is a xli lesson which Homer
teaches in some places: ‘The Achaeans marched on breathing prowess, in
silent awe of their leaders;’—but a very different one in other places: ‘O
heavy with wine, who hast the eyes of a dog, but the heart of a stag.’
390 Language of the latter kind will not impress self-control on the minds
of youth. The same may be said about his praises of eating and drinking and
his dread of starvation; also about the verses in which he tells of the
rapturous loves of Zeus and Here, or of how Hephaestus once detained Ares
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in the words:—‘Endure, my soul, thou hast endured worse.’ Nor must we
allow our citizens to receive bribes, or to say, ‘Gifts persuade the gods, gifts
reverend kings;’ or to applaud the ignoble advice of Phoenix to Achilles that
he should get money out of the Greeks before he assisted them; or the
meanness of Achilles himself in taking gifts from Agamemnon; 391 or his
requiring a ransom for the body of Hector; or his cursing of Apollo; or his
insolence to the river-god Scamander; or his dedication to the dead
Patroclus of his own hair which had been already dedicated to the other
river-god Spercheius; or his cruelty in dragging the body of Hector round
the walls, and slaying the captives at the pyre: such a combination of
meanness and cruelty in Cheiron’s pupil is inconceivable. The amatory
exploits of Peirithous and Theseus are equally unworthy. Either these so-
called sons of gods were not the sons of gods, or they were not such as the
poets imagine them, any more than the gods themselves are the authors of
evil. The youth who believes that such things are done by 392 those who
have the blood of heaven flowing in their veins will be too ready to imitate
their example.
Enough of gods and heroes;—what shall we say about men? What the
poets and story-tellers say—that the wicked prosper and the righteous are
afflicted, or that justice is another’s gain? Such misrepresentations cannot
be allowed by us. But in this we are anticipating the definition of justice,
and had therefore better defer the enquiry.
The subjects of poetry have been sufficiently treated; next follows style.
Now all poetry is a narrative of events past, present, or to come; and
narrative is of three kinds, the simple, the imitative, and a composition of
the two. An instance will xlii make my meaning clear. 393 The first scene in
Homer is of the last or mixed kind, being partly description and partly
dialogue. But if you throw the dialogue into the ‘oratio obliqua,’ the passage
will run thus: 394 The priest came and prayed Apollo that the Achaeans
might take Troy and have a safe return if Agamemnon would only give him
back his daughter; and the other Greeks assented, but Agamemnon was
wroth, and so on—The whole then becomes descriptive, and the poet is the
only speaker left; or, if you omit the narrative, the whole becomes dialogue.
These are the three styles—which of them is to be admitted into our State?
‘Do you ask whether tragedy and comedy are to be admitted?’ Yes, but also
something more—Is it not doubtful whether our guardians are to be
imitators at all? Or rather, has not the question been already answered, for
we have decided that one man cannot in his life play many parts, any more
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once? Human nature is coined into very small pieces, and as our guardians
have their own business already, which is the care of freedom, they will
have enough to do without imitating. If they imitate they should imitate, not
any meanness or baseness, but the good only; for the mask which the actor
wears is apt to become his face. We cannot allow men to play the parts of
women, quarrelling, weeping, scolding, or boasting against the gods,—least
of all when making love or in labour. They must not represent slaves, or
bullies, or 396 cowards, drunkards, or madmen, or blacksmiths, or neighing
horses, or bellowing bulls, or sounding rivers, or a raging sea. A good or
wise man will be willing to perform good and wise actions, but he will be
ashamed to play an inferior part which he has never practised; and he will
prefer to employ the descriptive style with as little imitation as possible.
397 The man who has no self-respect, on the contrary, will imitate anybody
and anything; sounds of nature and cries of animals alike; his whole
performance will be imitation of gesture and voice. Now in the descriptive
style there are few changes, but in the dramatic there are a great many.
Poets and musicians use either, or a compound of both, and this compound
is very attractive to youth and their teachers as well as to the vulgar. But our
State in which one man plays one part only is not adapted for complexity.
398 And when one of these polyphonous pantomimic gentlemen offers to
exhibit xliii himself and his poetry we will show him every observance of
respect, but at the same time tell him that there is no room for his kind in
our State; we prefer the rough, honest poet, and will not depart from our
original models (ii. 379 foll.; cp. Laws, vii. 817).
Next as to the music. A song or ode has three parts,—the subject, the
harmony, and the rhythm; of which the two last are dependent upon the
first. As we banished strains of lamentation, so we may now banish the
mixed Lydian harmonies, which are the harmonies of lamentation; and as
our citizens are to be temperate, we may also banish convivial harmonies,
such as the Ionian and pure Lydian. 399 Two remain—the Dorian and
Phrygian, the first for war, the second for peace; the one expressive of
courage, the other of obedience or instruction or religious feeling. And as
we reject varieties of harmony, we shall also reject the many-stringed,
variously-shaped instruments which give utterance to them, and in
particular the flute, which is more complex than any of them. The lyre and
the harp may be permitted in the town, and the Pan’s-pipe in the fields.
Thus we have made a purgation of music, and will now make a purgation of
metres. 400 These should be like the harmonies, simple and suitable to the
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metre, 3⁄2, 2⁄2, 2⁄1, which have all their characteristics, and the feet have
different characteristics as well as the rhythms. But about this you and I
must ask Damon, the great musician, who speaks, if I remember rightly, of
a martial measure as well as of dactylic, trochaic, and iambic rhythms,
which he arranges so as to equalize the syllables with one another, assigning
to each the proper quantity. We only venture to affirm the general principle
that the style is to conform to the subject and the metre to the style; and that
the simplicity and harmony of the soul should be reflected in them all. This
principle of simplicity has to be learnt by every one in the days of his youth,
and 401 may be gathered anywhere, from the creative and constructive arts,
as well as from the forms of plants and animals.
Other artists as well as poets should be warned against meanness or
unseemliness. Sculpture and painting equally with music must conform to
the law of simplicity. He who violates it cannot be allowed to work in our
city, and to corrupt the taste of our citizens. For our guardians must grow
up, not amid images of xliv deformity which will gradually poison and
corrupt their souls, but in a land of health and beauty where they will drink
in from every object sweet and harmonious influences. And of all these
influences the greatest is the education given by music, which finds a way
into the innermost soul and 402 imparts to it the sense of beauty and of
deformity. At first the effect is unconscious; but when reason arrives, then
he who has been thus trained welcomes her as the friend whom he always
knew. As in learning to read, first we acquire the elements or letters
separately, and afterwards their combinations, and cannot recognize
reflections of them until we know the letters themselves;—in like manner
we must first attain the elements or essential forms of the virtues, and then
trace their combinations in life and experience. There is a music of the soul
which answers to the harmony of the world; and the fairest object of a
musical soul is the fair mind in the fair body. Some defect in the latter may
be excused, but not in the former. 403 True love is the daughter of
temperance, and temperance is utterly opposed to the madness of bodily
pleasure. Enough has been said of music, which makes a fair ending with
love.
Next we pass on to gymnastics; about which I would remark, that the
soul is related to the body as a cause to an effect, and therefore if we
educate the mind we may leave the education of the body in her charge, and
need only give a general outline of the course to be pursued. In the first
place the guardians must abstain from strong drink, for they should be the
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suitable to them is more doubtful, for the ordinary gymnastic is a sleepy sort
of thing, and if left off suddenly is apt to endanger health. But our warrior
athletes must be wide-awake dogs, and must also be inured to all changes of
food and climate. Hence they will require a simpler kind of gymnastic, akin
to their simple music; and for their diet a rule may be found in Homer, who
feeds his heroes on roast meat only, and gives them no fish although they
are living at the sea-side, nor boiled meats which involve an apparatus of
pots and pans; and, if I am not mistaken, he nowhere mentions sweet
sauces. Sicilian cookery and Attic confections and Corinthian courtezans,
which are to gymnastic what Lydian and Ionian melodies are to music, must
be forbidden. 405 Where gluttony and intemperance prevail the town
quickly fills xlv with doctors and pleaders; and law and medicine give
themselves airs as soon as the freemen of a State take an interest in them.
But what can show a more disgraceful state of education than to have to go
abroad for justice because you have none of your own at home? And yet
there is a worse stage of the same disease—when men have learned to take
a pleasure and pride in the twists and turns of the law; not considering how
much better it would be for them so to order their lives as to have no need
of a nodding justice. And there is a like disgrace in employing a physician,
not for the cure of wounds or epidemic disorders, but because a man has by
laziness and luxury contracted diseases which were unknown in the days of
Asclepius. How simple is the Homeric practice of medicine. Eurypylus after
he has been wounded 406 drinks a posset of Pramnian wine, which is of a
heating nature; and yet the sons of Asclepius blame neither the damsel who
gives him the drink, nor Patroclus who is attending on him. The truth is that
this modern system of nursing diseases was introduced by Herodicus the
trainer; who, being of a sickly constitution, by a compound of training and
medicine tortured first himself and then a good many other people, and
lived a great deal longer than he had any right. But Asclepius would not
practise this art, because he knew that the citizens of a well-ordered State
have no leisure to be ill, and therefore he adopted the ‘kill or cure’ method,
which artisans and labourers employ. ‘They must be at their business,’ they
say, ‘and have no time for coddling: if they recover, well; if they don’t,
there is an end of them.’ 407 Whereas the rich man is supposed to be a
gentleman who can afford to be ill. Do you know a maxim of Phocylides—
that ‘when a man begins to be rich’ (or, perhaps, a little sooner) ‘he should
practise virtue’? But how can excessive care of health be inconsistent with
an ordinary occupation, and yet consistent with that practice of virtue which
Phocylides inculcates? When a student imagines that philosophy gives him
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reason why Asclepius and his sons practised no such art. They were acting
in the interest of the public, and did not wish to preserve useless lives, or
raise up a puny offspring to wretched sires. 408 Honest diseases they
honestly cured; and if a man was wounded, they applied the proper
remedies, and then let him eat and drink what he liked. But xlvi they
declined to treat intemperate and worthless subjects, even though they
might have made large fortunes out of them. As to the story of Pindar, that
Asclepius was slain by a thunderbolt for restoring a rich man to life, that is
a lie—following our old rule we must say either that he did not take bribes,
or that he was not the son of a god.
Glaucon then asks Socrates whether the best physicians and the best
judges will not be those who have had severally the greatest experience of
diseases and of crimes. Socrates draws a distinction between the two
professions. The physician should have had experience of disease in his
own body, for he cures with his mind and not with his body. 409 But the
judge controls mind by mind; and therefore his mind should not be
corrupted by crime. Where then is he to gain experience? How is he to be
wise and also innocent? When young a good man is apt to be deceived by
evil-doers, because he has no pattern of evil in himself; and therefore the
judge should be of a certain age; his youth should have been innocent, and
he should have acquired insight into evil not by the practice of it, but by the
observation of it in others. This is the ideal of a judge; the criminal turned
detective is wonderfully suspicious, but when in company with good men
who have experience, he is at fault, for he foolishly imagines that every one
is as bad as himself. Vice may be known of virtue, but cannot know virtue.
This is the sort of medicine and this the sort of law which will prevail in our
State; 410 they will be healing arts to better natures; but the evil body will
be left to die by the one, and the evil soul will be put to death by the other.
And the need of either will be greatly diminished by good music which will
give harmony to the soul, and good gymnastic which will give health to the
body. Not that this division of music and gymnastic really corresponds to
soul and body; for they are both equally concerned with the soul, which is
tamed by the one and aroused and sustained by the other. The two together
supply our guardians with their twofold nature. The passionate disposition
when it has too much gymnastic is hardened and brutalized, the gentle or
philosophic temper which has too much music becomes enervated.
411 While a man is allowing music to pour like water through the funnel of
his ears, the edge of his soul gradually wears away, and the passionate or
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exhausted; too much quickly passes into nervous irritability. So, again, the
athlete by feeding and training has his courage doubled, but he soon grows
stupid; he is like a wild beast, ready to do everything by blows and nothing
by counsel or policy. There are two principles in man, reason and passion,
and to these, 412 not to the soul and body, the two arts of music and
gymnastic correspond. He who mingles them in harmonious concord is the
true musician,—he shall be the presiding genius of our State.
The next question is, Who are to be our rulers? First, the elder must rule
the younger; and the best of the elders will be the best guardians. Now they
will be the best who love their subjects most, and think that they have a
common interest with them in the welfare of the state. These we must
select; but they must be watched at every epoch of life to see whether they
have retained the same opinions and held out against force and
enchantment. 413 For time and persuasion and the love of pleasure may
enchant a man into a change of purpose, and the force of grief and pain may
compel him. And therefore our guardians must be men who have been tried
by many tests, like gold in the refiner’s fire, and have been passed first
through danger, then through pleasure, and at every age have come out of
such trials victorious and without stain, in full command of themselves and
their principles; having all their faculties in harmonious exercise for their
country’s good. These shall receive the highest honours both in life and
death. 414 (It would perhaps be better to confine the term ‘guardians’ to
this select class: the younger men may be called ‘auxiliaries.’)
And now for one magnificent lie, in the belief of which, Oh that we could
train our rulers!—at any rate let us make the attempt with the rest of the
world. What I am going to tell is only another version of the legend of
Cadmus; but our unbelieving generation will be slow to accept such a story.
The tale must be imparted, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, lastly to
the people. We will inform them that their youth was a dream, and that
during the time when they seemed to be undergoing their education they
were really being fashioned in the earth, who sent them up when they were
ready; and that they must protect and cherish her whose children they are,
and regard xlviii each other as brothers and sisters. ‘I do not wonder at your
being ashamed to propound such a fiction.’ There is more behind.
415 These brothers and sisters have different natures, and some of them
God framed to rule, whom he fashioned of gold; others he made of silver, to
be auxiliaries; others again to be husbandmen and craftsmen, and these
were formed by him of brass and iron. But as they are all sprung from a
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golden son, and then there must be a change of rank; the son of the rich
must descend, and the child of the artisan rise, in the social scale; for an
oracle says ‘that the State will come to an end if governed by a man of brass
or iron.’ Will our citizens ever believe all this? ‘Not in the present
generation, but in the next, perhaps, Yes.’
Now let the earthborn men go forth under the command of their rulers,
and look about and pitch their camp in a high place, which will be safe
against enemies from without, and likewise against insurrections from
within. There let them sacrifice and set up their tents; 416 for soldiers they
are to be and not shopkeepers, the watchdogs and guardians of the sheep;
and luxury and avarice will turn them into wolves and tyrants. Their habits
and their dwellings should correspond to their education. They should have
no property; their pay should only meet their expenses; and they should
have common meals. Gold and silver we will tell them that they have from
God, and this divine gift in their souls they must not 417 alloy with that
earthly dross which passes under the name of gold. They only of the
citizens may not touch it, or be under the same roof with it, or drink from it;
it is the accursed thing. Should they ever acquire houses or lands or money
of their own, they will become householders and tradesmen instead of
guardians, enemies and tyrants instead of helpers, and the hour of ruin, both
to themselves and the rest of the State, will be at hand.

Republic III.
INTRODUCTION. The religious and ethical aspect of Plato’s education will
hereafter be considered under a separate head. Some lesser points may be
more conveniently noticed in this place.
1. The constant appeal to the authority of Homer, whom, with grave
irony, Plato, after the manner of his age, summons as a xlix witness about
ethics and psychology, as well as about diet and medicine; attempting to
distinguish the better lesson from the worse (390), sometimes altering the
text from design (388, and, perhaps, 389); more than once quoting or
alluding to Homer inaccurately (391, 406), after the manner of the early
logographers turning the Iliad into prose (393), and delighting to draw far-
fetched inferences from his words, or to make ludicrous applications of
them. He does not, like Heracleitus, get into a rage with Homer and
Archilochus (Heracl. Frag. 119, ed. Bywater), but uses their words and
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Rhegium or Metrodorus, or in later times the Stoics, but as fancy may
dictate. And the conclusions drawn from them are sound, although the
premises are fictitious. These fanciful appeals to Homer add a charm to
Plato’s style, and at the same time they have the effect of a satire on the
follies of Homeric interpretation. To us (and probably to himself), although
they take the form of arguments, they are really figures of speech. They
may be compared with modern citations from Scripture, which have often a
great rhetorical power even when the original meaning of the words is
entirely lost sight of. The real, like the Platonic Socrates, as we gather from
the Memorabilia of Xenophon, was fond of making similar adaptations (i. 2,
58; ii. 6, 11). Great in all ages and countries, in religion as well as in law
and literature, has been the art of interpretation.
2. ‘The style is to conform to the subject and the metre to the style.’
Notwithstanding the fascination which the word ‘classical’ exercises over
us, we can hardly maintain that this rule is observed in all the Greek poetry
which has come down to us. We cannot deny that the thought often exceeds
the power of lucid expression in Æschylus and Pindar; or that rhetoric gets
the better of the thought in the Sophist-poet Euripides. Only perhaps in
Sophocles is there a perfect harmony of the two; in him alone do we find a
grace of language like the beauty of a Greek statue, in which there is
nothing to add or to take away; at least this is true of single plays or of large
portions of them. The connection in the Tragic Choruses and in the Greek
lyric poets is not unfrequently a tangled thread which in an age before logic
the poet was unable to draw out. Many thoughts and feelings mingled in his
mind, and he had no power of disengaging or l arranging them. For there is
a subtle influence of logic which requires to be transferred from prose to
poetry, just as the music and perfection of language are infused by poetry
into prose. In all ages the poet has been a bad judge of his own meaning
(Apol. 22 B); for he does not see that the word which is full of associations
to his own mind is difficult and unmeaning to that of another; or that the
sequence which is clear to himself is puzzling to others. There are many
passages in some of our greatest modern poets which are far too obscure; in
which there is no proportion between style and subject, in which any half-
expressed figure, any harsh construction, any distorted collocation of words,
any remote sequence of ideas is admitted; and there is no voice ‘coming
sweetly from nature,’ or music adding the expression of feeling to thought.
As if there could be poetry without beauty, or beauty without ease and
clearness. The obscurities of early Greek poets arose necessarily out of the
state of language and logic which existed in their age. They are not
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generation to become clearer and clearer. Like Shakespeare, they were great
in spite, not in consequence, of their imperfections of expression. But there
is no reason for returning to the necessary obscurity which prevailed in the
infancy of literature. The English poets of the last century were certainly not
obscure; and we have no excuse for losing what they had gained, or for
going back to the earlier or transitional age which preceded them. The
thought of our own times has not out-stripped language; a want of Plato’s
‘art of measuring’ is the real cause of the disproportion between them.
3. In the third book of the Republic a nearer approach is made to a theory
of art than anywhere else in Plato. His views may be summed up as follows:
—True art is not fanciful and imitative, but simple and ideal,—the
expression of the highest moral energy, whether in action or repose. To live
among works of plastic art which are of this noble and simple character, or
to listen to such strains, is the best of influences,—the true Greek
atmosphere, in which youth should be brought up. That is the way to create
in them a natural good taste, which will have a feeling of truth and beauty in
all things. For though the poets are to be expelled, still art is recognized as
another aspect of li reason—like love in the Symposium, extending over the
same sphere, but confined to the preliminary education, and acting through
the power of habit (vii. 522 A); and this conception of art is not limited to
strains of music or the forms of plastic art, but pervades all nature and has a
wide kindred in the world. The Republic of Plato, like the Athens of
Pericles, has an artistic as well as a political side.
There is hardly any mention in Plato of the creative arts; only in two or
three passages does he even allude to them (cp. Rep. iv. 420; Soph. 236 A).
He is not lost in rapture at the great works of Phidias, the Parthenon, the
Propylea, the statues of Zeus or Athene. He would probably have regarded
any abstract truth of number or figure (529 E) as higher than the greatest of
them. Yet it is hard to suppose that some influence, such as he hopes to
inspire in youth, did not pass into his own mind from the works of art which
he saw around him. We are living upon the fragments of them, and find in a
few broken stones the standard of truth and beauty. But in Plato this feeling
has no expression; he nowhere says that beauty is the object of art; he seems
to deny that wisdom can take an external form (Phaedrus, 250 E); he does
not distinguish the fine from the mechanical arts. Whether or no, like some
writers, he felt more than he expressed, it is at any rate remarkable that the
greatest perfection of the fine arts should coincide with an almost entire
silence about them. In one very striking passage he tells us that a work of
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the newly-born mathematical sciences may be regarded, if not as the
inspiring, at any rate as the regulating principles of Greek art (cp. Xen.
Mem. iii. 10. 6; and Sophist, 235, 236).
4. Plato makes the true and subtle remark that the physician had better
not be in robust health; and should have known what illness is in his own
person. But the judge ought to have had no similar experience of evil; he is
to be a good man who, having passed his youth in innocence, became
acquainted late in life with the vices of others. And therefore, according to
Plato, a judge should not be young, just as a young man according to
Aristotle is not fit to be a hearer of moral philosophy. The bad, on the other
hand, have a knowledge of vice, but no knowledge lii of virtue. It may be
doubted, however, whether this train of reflection is well founded. In a
remarkable passage of the Laws (xii. 950 B) it is acknowledged that the evil
may form a correct estimate of the good. The union of gentleness and
courage in Book ii. at first seemed to be a paradox, yet was afterwards
ascertained to be a truth. And Plato might also have found that the intuition
of evil may be consistent with the abhorrence of it (cp. infra, ix. 582). There
is a directness of aim in virtue which gives an insight into vice. And the
knowledge of character is in some degree a natural sense independent of
any special experience of good or evil.
5. One of the most remarkable conceptions of Plato, because un-Greek
and also very different from anything which existed at all in his age of the
world, is the transposition of ranks. In the Spartan state there had been
enfranchisement of Helots and degradation of citizens under special
circumstances. And in the ancient Greek aristocracies, merit was certainly
recognized as one of the elements on which government was based. The
founders of states were supposed to be their benefactors, who were raised
by their great actions above the ordinary level of humanity; at a later period,
the services of warriors and legislators were held to entitle them and their
descendants to the privileges of citizenship and to the first rank in the state.
And although the existence of an ideal aristocracy is slenderly proven from
the remains of early Greek history, and we have a difficulty in ascribing
such a character, however the idea may be defined, to any actual Hellenic
state—or indeed to any state which has ever existed in the world—still the
rule of the best was certainly the aspiration of philosophers, who probably
accommodated a good deal their views of primitive history to their own
notions of good government. Plato further insists on applying to the
guardians of his state a series of tests by which all those who fell short of a
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admitted to it; and this ‘academic’ discipline did to a certain extent prevail
in Greek states, especially in Sparta. He also indicates that the system of
caste, which existed in a great part of the ancient, and is by no means
extinct in the modern European world, should be set aside from time to time
in favour of merit. He is aware how deeply the greater part of liii mankind
resent any interference with the order of society, and therefore he proposes
his novel idea in the form of what he himself calls a ‘monstrous fiction.’
(Compare the ceremony of preparation for the two ‘great waves’ in Book v.)
Two principles are indicated by him: first, that there is a distinction of ranks
dependent on circumstances prior to the individual: second, that this
distinction is and ought to be broken through by personal qualities. He
adapts mythology like the Homeric poems to the wants of the state, making
‘the Phoenician tale’ the vehicle of his ideas. Every Greek state had a myth
respecting its own origin; the Platonic republic may also have a tale of
earthborn men. The gravity and verisimilitude with which the tale is told,
and the analogy of Greek tradition, are a sufficient verification of the
‘monstrous falsehood.’ Ancient poetry had spoken of a gold and silver and
brass and iron age succeeding one another, but Plato supposes these
differences in the natures of men to exist together in a single state.
Mythology supplies a figure under which the lesson may be taught (as
Protagoras says, ‘the myth is more interesting’), and also enables Plato to
touch lightly on new principles without going into details. In this passage he
shadows forth a general truth, but he does not tell us by what steps the
transposition of ranks is to be effected. Indeed throughout the Republic he
allows the lower ranks to fade into the distance. We do not know whether
they are to carry arms, and whether in the fifth book they are or are not
included in the communistic regulations respecting property and marriage.
Nor is there any use in arguing strictly either from a few chance words, or
from the silence of Plato, or in drawing inferences which were beyond his
vision. Aristotle, in his criticism on the position of the lower classes, does
not perceive that the poetical creation is ‘like the air, invulnerable,’ and
cannot be penetrated by the shafts of his logic (Pol. 2, 5, 18 foll.).
6. Two paradoxes which strike the modern reader as in the highest degree
fanciful and ideal, and which suggest to him many reflections, are to be
found in the third book of the Republic: first, the great power of music, so
much beyond any influence which is experienced by us in modern times,
when the art or science has been far more developed, and has found liv the
secret of harmony, as well as of melody; secondly, the indefinite and almost
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In the first we suspect some degree of exaggeration, such as we may also
observe among certain masters of the art, not unknown to us, at the present
day. With this natural enthusiasm, which is felt by a few only, there seems
to mingle in Plato a sort of Pythagorean reverence for numbers and
numerical proportion to which Aristotle is a stranger. Intervals of sound and
number are to him sacred things which have a law of their own, not
dependent on the variations of sense. They rise above sense, and become a
connecting link with the world of ideas. But it is evident that Plato is
describing what to him appears to be also a fact. The power of a simple and
characteristic melody on the impressible mind of the Greek is more than we
can easily appreciate. The effect of national airs may bear some comparison
with it. And, besides all this, there is a confusion between the harmony of
musical notes and the harmony of soul and body, which is so potently
inspired by them.
The second paradox leads up to some curious and interesting questions—
How far can the mind control the body? Is the relation between them one of
mutual antagonism or of mutual harmony? Are they two or one, and is
either of them the cause of the other? May we not at times drop the
opposition between them, and the mode of describing them, which is so
familiar to us, and yet hardly conveys any precise meaning, and try to view
this composite creature, man, in a more simple manner? Must we not at any
rate admit that there is in human nature a higher and a lower principle,
divided by no distinct line, which at times break asunder and take up arms
against one another? Or again, they are reconciled and move together, either
unconsciously in the ordinary work of life, or consciously in the pursuit of
some noble aim, to be attained not without an effort, and for which every
thought and nerve are strained. And then the body becomes the good friend
or ally, or servant or instrument of the mind. And the mind has often a
wonderful and almost superhuman power of banishing disease and
weakness and calling out a hidden strength. Reason and the desires, the
intellect and the senses are brought into harmony and obedience so as to
form a lv single human being. They are ever parting, ever meeting; and the
identity or diversity of their tendencies or operations is for the most part
unnoticed by us. When the mind touches the body through the appetites, we
acknowledge the responsibility of the one to the other. There is a tendency
in us which says ‘Drink.’ There is another which says, ‘Do not drink; it is
not good for you.’ And we all of us know which is the rightful superior. We
are also responsible for our health, although into this sphere there enter
some elements of necessity which may be beyond our control. Still even in
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may make us almost free agents, if we do not exact too much of ourselves,
and if we acknowledge that all human freedom is limited by the laws of
nature and of mind.
We are disappointed to find that Plato, in the general condemnation
which he passes on the practice of medicine prevailing in his own day,
depreciates the effects of diet. He would like to have diseases of a definite
character and capable of receiving a definite treatment. He is afraid of
invalidism interfering with the business of life. He does not recognize that
time is the great healer both of mental and bodily disorders; and that
remedies which are gradual and proceed little by little are safer than those
which produce a sudden catastrophe. Neither does he see that there is no
way in which the mind can more surely influence the body than by the
control of eating and drinking; or any other action or occasion of human life
on which the higher freedom of the will can be more simple or truly
asserted.
7. Lesser matters of style may be remarked. (1) The affected ignorance of
music, which is Plato’s way of expressing that he is passing lightly over the
subject. (2) The tentative manner in which here, as in the second book, he
proceeds with the construction of the State. (3) The description of the State
sometimes as a reality (389 D; 416 B), and then again as a work of
imagination only (cp. 534 C; 592 B); these are the arts by which he sustains
the reader’s interest. (4) Connecting links (e.g. 408 C with 379), or the
preparation (394 D) for the entire expulsion of the poets in Book x. (5) The
companion pictures of the lover of litigation and the valetudinarian (405),
the satirical jest about the maxim of Phocylides (407), the manner in which
lvi the image of the gold and silver citizens is taken up into the subject (416
E), and the argument from the practice of Asclepius (407), should not
escape notice.

Republic IV.
ANALYSIS. BOOK IV. 419 Adeimantus said: ‘Suppose a person to argue,
Socrates, that you make your citizens miserable, and this by their own free-
will; they are the lords of the city, and yet instead of having, like other men,
lands and houses and money of their own, they live as mercenaries and are
always mounting guard.’ 420 You may add, I replied, that they receive no
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mistress. ‘Well, and what answer do you give?’ My answer is, that our
guardians may or may not be the happiest of men,—I should not be
surprised to find in the long-run that they were,—but this is not the aim of
our constitution, which was designed for the good of the whole and not of
any one part. If I went to a sculptor and blamed him for having painted the
eye, which is the noblest feature of the face, not purple but black, he would
reply: ‘The eye must be an eye, and you should look at the statue as a
whole.’ ‘Now I can well imagine a fool’s paradise, in which everybody is
eating and drinking, clothed in purple and fine linen, and potters lie on sofas
and have their wheel at hand, that they may work a little when they please;
421 and cobblers and all the other classes of a State lose their distinctive
character. And a State may get on without cobblers; but when the guardians
degenerate into boon companions, then the ruin is complete. Remember that
we are not talking of peasants keeping holiday, but of a State in which every
man is expected to do his own work. The happiness resides not in this or
that class, but in the State as a whole. I have another remark to make:—A
middle condition is best for artisans; they should have money enough to buy
tools, and not enough to be independent of business. And will not the same
condition be best for our citizens? If they are poor, they will be mean;
422 if rich, luxurious and lazy; and in neither case contented. ‘But then how
will our poor city be able to go to war against an enemy who has money?’
There may be a difficulty in fighting against one enemy; against two there
will be none. In the first place, the contest will be lvii carried on by trained
warriors against well-to-do citizens: and is not a regular athlete an easy
match for two stout opponents at least? Suppose also, that before engaging
we send ambassadors to one of the two cities, saying, ‘Silver and gold we
have not; do you help us and take our share of the spoil;’—who would fight
against the lean, wiry dogs, when they might join with them in preying
upon the fatted sheep? ‘But if many states join their resources, shall we not
be in danger?’ I am amused to hear you use the word ‘state’ of any but our
own State. 423 They are ‘states,’ but not ‘a state’—many in one. For in
every state there are two hostile nations, rich and poor, which you may set
one against the other. But our State, while she remains true to her principles,
will be in very deed the mightiest of Hellenic states.
To the size of the state there is no limit but the necessity of unity; it must
be neither too large nor too small to be one. This is a matter of secondary
importance, like the principle of transposition which was intimated in the
parable of the earthborn men. The meaning there implied was that every
man should do that for which he was fitted, and be at one with himself, and
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education, which is the great matter, be duly regarded. 424 When the wheel
has once been set in motion, the speed is always increasing; and each
generation improves upon the preceding, both in physical and moral
qualities. The care of the governors should be directed to preserve music
and gymnastic from innovation; alter the songs of a country, Damon says,
and you will soon end by altering its laws. The change appears innocent at
first, and begins in play; but the evil soon becomes serious, working
secretly upon the characters of individuals, then upon social and
commercial relations, and lastly upon the institutions of a state; and there is
ruin and confusion everywhere. 425 But if education remains in the
established form, there will be no danger. A restorative process will be
always going on; the spirit of law and order will raise up what has fallen
down. Nor will any regulations be needed for the lesser matters of life—
rules of deportment or fashions of dress. Like invites like for good or for
evil. Education will correct deficiencies and supply the power of self-
government. Far be it from us to enter into the lviii particulars of legislation;
let the guardians take care of education, and education will take care of all
other things.
But without education they may patch and mend as they please; they will
make no progress, any more than a patient who thinks to cure himself by
some favourite remedy and will not give up his luxurious mode of living.
426 If you tell such persons that they must first alter their habits, then they
grow angry; they are charming people. ‘Charming,—nay, the very reverse.’
Evidently these gentlemen are not in your good graces, nor the state which
is like them. And such states there are which first ordain under penalty of
death that no one shall alter the constitution, and then suffer themselves to
be flattered into and out of anything; and he who indulges them and fawns
upon them, is their leader and saviour. ‘Yes, the men are as bad as the
states.’ But do you not admire their cleverness? ‘Nay, some of them are
stupid enough to believe what the people tell them.’ And when all the world
is telling a man that he is six feet high, and he has no measure, how can he
believe anything else? But don’t get into a passion: to see our statesmen
trying their nostrums, 427 and fancying that they can cut off at a blow the
Hydra-like rogueries of mankind, is as good as a play. Minute enactments
are superfluous in good states, and are useless in bad ones.
And now what remains of the work of legislation? Nothing for us; but to
Apollo the god of Delphi we leave the ordering of the greatest of all things
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and navel of the earth will be trusted by us if we have any sense, in an affair
of such magnitude. No foreign god shall be supreme in our realms….
Republic IV.
INTRODUCTION. Here, as Socrates would say, let us ‘reflect on’ (σκοπῶμεν)
what has preceded: thus far we have spoken not of the happiness of the
citizens, but only of the well-being of the State. They may be the happiest
of men, but our principal aim in founding the State was not to make them
happy. They were to be guardians, not holiday-makers. In this pleasant
manner is presented to us the famous question both of ancient and modern
philosophy, touching the relation of duty to happiness, of right to utility.
First duty, then happiness, is the natural order of our moral ideas. The
utilitarian principle is valuable as a corrective of lix error, and shows to us a
side of ethics which is apt to be neglected. It may be admitted further that
right and utility are co-extensive, and that he who makes the happiness of
mankind his object has one of the highest and noblest motives of human
action. But utility is not the historical basis of morality; nor the aspect in
which moral and religious ideas commonly occur to the mind. The greatest
happiness of all is, as we believe, the far-off result of the divine government
of the universe. The greatest happiness of the individual is certainly to be
found in a life of virtue and goodness. But we seem to be more assured of a
law of right than we can be of a divine purpose, that ‘all mankind should be
saved;’ and we infer the one from the other. And the greatest happiness of
the individual may be the reverse of the greatest happiness in the ordinary
sense of the term, and may be realised in a life of pain, or in a voluntary
death. Further, the word ‘happiness’ has several ambiguities; it may mean
either pleasure or an ideal life, happiness subjective or objective, in this
world or in another, of ourselves only or of our neighbours and of all men
everywhere. By the modern founder of Utilitarianism the self-regarding and
disinterested motives of action are included under the same term, although
they are commonly opposed by us as benevolence and self-love. The word
happiness has not the definiteness or the sacredness of ‘truth’ and ‘right’; it
does not equally appeal to our higher nature, and has not sunk into the
conscience of mankind. It is associated too much with the comforts and
conveniences of life; too little with ‘the goods of the soul which we desire
for their own sake.’ In a great trial, or danger, or temptation, or in any great
and heroic action, it is scarcely thought of. For these reasons ‘the greatest
happiness’ principle is not the true foundation of ethics. But though not the
first principle, it is the second, which is like unto it, and is often of easier
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wrong, except in so far as they tend to the happiness of mankind (cp. Introd.
to Gorgias and Philebus).
The same question reappears in politics, where the useful or expedient
seems to claim a larger sphere and to have a greater authority. For
concerning political measures, we chiefly ask: How will they affect the
happiness of mankind? Yet here too we may observe that what we term
expediency is merely the law of lx right limited by the conditions of human
society. Right and truth are the highest aims of government as well as of
individuals; and we ought not to lose sight of them because we cannot
directly enforce them. They appeal to the better mind of nations; and
sometimes they are too much for merely temporal interests to resist. They
are the watchwords which all men use in matters of public policy, as well as
in their private dealings; the peace of Europe may be said to depend upon
them. In the most commercial and utilitarian states of society the power of
ideas remains. And all the higher class of statesmen have in them something
of that idealism which Pericles is said to have gathered from the teaching of
Anaxagoras. They recognise that the true leader of men must be above the
motives of ambition, and that national character is of greater value than
material comfort and prosperity. And this is the order of thought in Plato;
first, he expects his citizens to do their duty, and then under favourable
circumstances, that is to say, in a well-ordered State, their happiness is
assured. That he was far from excluding the modern principle of utility in
politics is sufficiently evident from other passages; in which ‘the most
beneficial is affirmed to be the most honourable’ (v. 457 B), and also ‘the
most sacred’ (v. 458 E).
We may note (1) The manner in which the objection of Adeimantus here,
as in ii. 357 foll., 363; vi. ad init., etc., is designed to draw out and deepen
the argument of Socrates. (2) The conception of a whole as lying at the
foundation both of politics and of art, in the latter supplying the only
principle of criticism, which, under the various names of harmony,
symmetry, measure, proportion, unity, the Greek seems to have applied to
works of art. (3) The requirement that the State should be limited in size,
after the traditional model of a Greek state; as in the Politics of Aristotle
(vii. 4, etc.), the fact that the cities of Hellas were small is converted into a
principle. (4) The humorous pictures of the lean dogs and the fatted sheep,
of the light active boxer upsetting two stout gentlemen at least, of the
‘charming’ patients who are always making themselves worse; or again, the
playful assumption that there is no State but our own; or the grave irony
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because he is told so, and having nothing to measure with is to be pardoned
for his ignorance—he is too lxi amusing for us to be seriously angry with
him. (5) The light and superficial manner in which religion is passed over
when provision has been made for two great principles,—first, that religion
shall be based on the highest conception of the gods (ii. 377 foll.), secondly,
that the true national or Hellenic type shall be maintained….
Republic IV.
ANALYSIS. Socrates proceeds: But where amid all this is justice? Son of
Ariston, tell me where. Light a candle and search the city, and get your
brother and the rest of our friends to help in seeking for her. ‘That won’t
do,’ replied Glaucon, ‘you yourself promised to make the search and talked
about the impiety of deserting justice.’ Well, I said, I will lead the way, but
do you follow. My notion is, that our State being perfect will contain all the
four virtues—wisdom, courage, temperance, justice. 428 If we eliminate
the three first, the unknown remainder will be justice.
First then, of wisdom: the State which we have called into being will be
wise because politic. And policy is one among many kinds of skill,—not the
skill of the carpenter, or of the worker in metal, or of the husbandman, but
the skill of him who advises about the interests of the whole State. Of such
a kind is the skill of the guardians, 429 who are a small class in number, far
smaller than the blacksmiths; but in them is concentrated the wisdom of the
State. And if this small ruling class have wisdom, then the whole State will
be wise.
Our second virtue is courage, which we have no difficulty in finding in
another class—that of soldiers. Courage may be defined as a sort of
salvation—the never-failing salvation of the opinions which law and
education have prescribed concerning dangers. You know the way in which
dyers first prepare the white ground and then lay on the dye of purple or of
any other colour. Colours dyed in this way become fixed, and no soap or lye
will ever wash them out. 430 Now the ground is education, and the laws are
the colours; and if the ground is properly laid, neither the soap of pleasure
nor the lye of pain or fear will ever wash them out. This power which
preserves right opinion about danger I would ask you to call ‘courage,’
adding the epithet ‘political’ or ‘civilized’ in order to distinguish it from
mere animal courage and from a higher courage which may hereafter be
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lxii Two virtues remain; temperance and justice. More than the preceding
virtues 431 temperance suggests the idea of harmony. Some light is thrown
upon the nature of this virtue by the popular description of a man as ‘master
of himself’—which has an absurd sound, because the master is also the
servant. The expression really means that the better principle in a man
masters the worse. There are in cities whole classes—women, slaves and
the like—who correspond to the worse, and a few only to the better; and in
our State the former class are held under control by the latter. Now to which
of these classes does temperance belong? ‘To both of them.’ And our State
if any will be the abode of temperance; and we were right in describing this
virtue as a harmony which is diffused through the whole, 432 making the
dwellers in the city to be of one mind, and attuning the upper and middle
and lower classes like the strings of an instrument, whether you suppose
them to differ in wisdom, strength or wealth.
And now we are near the spot; let us draw in and surround the cover and
watch with all our eyes, lest justice should slip away and escape. Tell me, if
you see the thicket move first. ‘Nay, I would have you lead.’ Well then,
offer up a prayer and follow. The way is dark and difficult; but we must
push on. I begin to see a track. ‘Good news.’ Why, Glaucon, our dulness of
scent is quite ludicrous! While we are straining our eyes into the distance,
justice is tumbling out at our feet. We are as bad as people looking for a
thing which they have in their hands. Have you forgotten our 433 old
principle of the division of labour, or of every man doing his own business,
concerning which we spoke at the foundation of the State—what but this
was justice? Is there any other virtue remaining which can compete with
wisdom and temperance and courage in the scale of political virtue? For
‘every one having his own’ is the great object of government; 434 and the
great object of trade is that every man should do his own business. Not that
there is much harm in a carpenter trying to be a cobbler, or a cobbler
transforming himself into a carpenter; but great evil may arise from the
cobbler leaving his last and turning into a guardian or legislator, or when a
single individual is trainer, warrior, legislator, all in one. And this evil is
injustice, or every man doing another’s business. I do not say that as yet we
are in a condition to arrive at a final conclusion. For the lxiii definition
which we believe to hold good in states has still to be tested by the
individual. Having read the large letters we will now come back to the
small. From the two together a brilliant light may be struck out….
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of residues. Each of the first three virtues corresponds to one of the three
parts of the soul and one of the three classes in the State, although the third,
temperance, has more of the nature of a harmony than the first two. If there
be a fourth virtue, that can only be sought for in the relation of the three
parts in the soul or classes in the State to one another. It is obvious and
simple, and for that very reason has not been found out. The modern
logician will be inclined to object that ideas cannot be separated like
chemical substances, but that they run into one another and may be only
different aspects or names of the same thing, and such in this instance
appears to be the case. For the definition here given of justice is verbally the
same as one of the definitions of temperance given by Socrates in the
Charmides (162 A), which however is only provisional, and is afterwards
rejected. And so far from justice remaining over when the other virtues are
eliminated, the justice and temperance of the Republic can with difficulty
be distinguished. Temperance appears to be the virtue of a part only, and
one of three, whereas justice is a universal virtue of the whole soul. Yet on
the other hand temperance is also described as a sort of harmony, and in this
respect is akin to justice. Justice seems to differ from temperance in degree
rather than in kind; whereas temperance is the harmony of discordant
elements, justice is the perfect order by which all natures and classes do
their own business, the right man in the right place, the division and co-
operation of all the citizens. Justice, again, is a more abstract notion than the
other virtues, and therefore, from Plato’s point of view, the foundation of
them, to which they are referred and which in idea precedes them. The
proposal to omit temperance is a mere trick of style intended to avoid
monotony (cp. vii. 528).
There is a famous question discussed in one of the earlier Dialogues of
Plato (Protagoras, 329, 330; cp. Arist. Nic. Ethics, vi. 13. 6), ‘Whether the
virtues are one or many?’ This receives an answer which is to the effect that
there are four cardinal virtues lxiv (now for the first time brought together in
ethical philosophy), and one supreme over the rest, which is not like
Aristotle’s conception of universal justice, virtue relative to others, but the
whole of virtue relative to the parts. To this universal conception of justice
or order in the first education and in the moral nature of man, the still more
universal conception of the good in the second education and in the sphere
of speculative knowledge seems to succeed. Both might be equally
described by the terms ‘law,’ ‘order,’ ‘harmony;’ but while the idea of good
embraces ‘all time and all existence,’ the conception of justice is not
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Republic IV.
ANALYSIS. … Socrates is now going to identify the individual and the State.
But first he must prove that there are three parts of the individual soul. His
argument is as follows:—Quantity makes no difference in quality. The word
‘just,’ whether applied to the individual or to the State, has the same
meaning. And the term ‘justice’ implied that the same three principles in the
State and in the individual were doing their own business. But are they
really three or one? The question is difficult, and one which can hardly be
solved by the methods which we are now using; but the truer and longer
way would take up too much of our time. ‘The shorter will satisfy me.’ Well
then, you would admit that the qualities of states mean the qualities of the
individuals who compose them? The Scythians and Thracians are
passionate, our own race intellectual, 436 and the Egyptians and
Phoenicians covetous, because the individual members of each have such
and such a character; the difficulty is to determine whether the several
principles are one or three; whether, that is to say, we reason with one part
of our nature, desire with another, are angry with another, or whether the
whole soul comes into play in each sort of action. This enquiry, however,
requires a very exact definition of terms. The same thing in the same
relation cannot be affected in two opposite ways. But there is no
impossibility in a man standing still, yet moving his arms, or in a top which
is fixed on one spot going round upon its axis. There is no necessity to
mention all the possible exceptions; 437 let us provisionally assume that
opposites cannot do or be or suffer opposites in the same relation. And to
the class of opposites belong assent and dissent, desire and avoidance. And
one form lxv of desire is thirst and hunger: and here arises a new point—
thirst is thirst of drink, hunger is hunger of food; not of warm drink or of a
particular kind of food, 438 with the single exception of course that the
very fact of our desiring anything implies that it is good. When relative
terms have no attributes, their correlatives have no attributes; when they
have attributes, their correlatives also have them. For example, the term
‘greater’ is simply relative to ‘less,’ and knowledge refers to a subject of
knowledge. But on the other hand, a particular knowledge is of a particular
subject. Again, every science has a distinct character, which is defined by an
object; medicine, for example, is the science of health, although not to be
confounded with health. 439 Having cleared our ideas thus far, let us return
to the original instance of thirst, which has a definite object—drink. Now
the thirsty soul may feel two distinct impulses; the animal one saying
‘Drink;’ the rational one, which says ‘Do not drink.’ The two impulses are
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principles in the soul. But is passion a third principle, or akin to desire?
There is a story of a certain Leontius which throws some light on this
question. He was coming up from the Piraeus outside the north wall, and he
passed a spot where there were dead bodies lying by the executioner. He felt
a longing desire to see them and also an abhorrence of them; at first he
turned away and shut his eyes, then, 440 suddenly tearing them open, he
said,—‘Take your fill, ye wretches, of the fair sight.’ Now is there not here
a third principle which is often found to come to the assistance of reason
against desire, but never of desire against reason? This is passion or spirit,
of the separate existence of which we may further convince ourselves by
putting the following case:—When a man suffers justly, if he be of a
generous nature he is not indignant at the hardships which he undergoes:
but when he suffers unjustly, his indignation is his great support; hunger and
thirst cannot tame him; the spirit within him must do or die, until the voice
of the shepherd, that is, of reason, bidding his dog bark no more, is heard
within. This shows that passion is the ally of reason. 441 Is passion then the
same with reason? No, for the former exists in children and brutes; and
Homer affords a proof of the distinction between them when he says, ‘He
smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul.’
lxvi And now, at last, we have reached firm ground, and are able to infer
that the virtues of the State and of the individual are the same. For wisdom
and courage and justice in the State are severally the wisdom and courage
and justice in the individuals who form the State. Each of the three classes
will do the work of its own class in the State, and each part in the individual
soul; reason, the superior, and passion, the inferior, 442 will be harmonized
by the influence of music and gymnastic. The counsellor and the warrior,
the head and the arm, will act together in the town of Mansoul, and keep the
desires in proper subjection. The courage of the warrior is that quality
which preserves a right opinion about dangers in spite of pleasures and
pains. The wisdom of the counsellor is that small part of the soul which has
authority and reason. The virtue of temperance is the friendship of the
ruling and the subject principles, both in the State and in the individual. Of
justice we have already spoken; and the notion already given of it may be
confirmed by common instances. Will the just state or the just individual
443 steal, lie, commit adultery, or be guilty of impiety to gods and men?
‘No.’ And is not the reason of this that the several principles, whether in the
state or in the individual, do their own business? And justice is the quality
which makes just men and just states. Moreover, our old division of labour,
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anticipation of what was to follow; and that dream has now been realized in
justice, which begins by binding together the three chords of the soul, and
then acts harmoniously in every relation of life. 444 And injustice, which is
the insubordination and disobedience of the inferior elements in the soul, is
the opposite of justice, and is inharmonious and unnatural, being to the soul
what disease is to the body; for in the soul as well as in the body, good or
bad actions produce good or bad habits. And virtue is the health and beauty
and well-being of the soul, and vice is the disease and weakness and
deformity of the soul.
445 Again the old question returns upon us: Is justice or injustice the
more profitable? The question has become ridiculous. For injustice, like
mortal disease, makes life not worth having. Come up with me to the hill
which overhangs the city and look down upon the single form of virtue, and
the infinite forms of vice, lxvii among which are four special ones,
characteristic both of states and of individuals. And the state which
corresponds to the single form of virtue is that which we have been
describing, wherein reason rules under one of two names—monarchy and
aristocracy. Thus there are five forms in all, both of states and of souls….
Republic IV.
INTRODUCTION. In attempting to prove that the soul has three separate faculties,
Plato takes occasion to discuss what makes difference of faculties. And the
criterion which he proposes is difference in the working of the faculties.
The same faculty cannot produce contradictory effects. But the path of early
reasoners is beset by thorny entanglements, and he will not proceed a step
without first clearing the ground. This leads him into a tiresome digression,
which is intended to explain the nature of contradiction. First, the
contradiction must be at the same time and in the same relation. Secondly,
no extraneous word must be introduced into either of the terms in which the
contradictory proposition is expressed: for example, thirst is of drink, not of
warm drink. He implies, what he does not say, that if, by the advice of
reason, or by the impulse of anger, a man is restrained from drinking, this
proves that thirst, or desire under which thirst is included, is distinct from
anger and reason. But suppose that we allow the term ‘thirst’ or ‘desire’ to
be modified, and say an ‘angry thirst,’ or a ‘revengeful desire,’ then the two
spheres of desire and anger overlap and become confused. This case
therefore has to be excluded. And still there remains an exception to the rule
in the use of the term ‘good,’ which is always implied in the object of
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wearied by them should remember that they are necessary to the clearing up
of ideas in the first development of the human faculties.
The psychology of Plato extends no further than the division of the soul
into the rational, irascible, and concupiscent elements, which, as far as we
know, was first made by him, and has been retained by Aristotle and
succeeding ethical writers. The chief difficulty in this early analysis of the
mind is to define exactly the place of the irascible faculty (θυμός), which
may be variously described under the terms righteous indignation, spirit,
passion. It is the foundation of courage, which includes in Plato lxviii moral
courage, the courage of enduring pain, and of surmounting intellectual
difficulties, as well as of meeting dangers in war. Though irrational, it
inclines to side with the rational: it cannot be aroused by punishment when
justly inflicted: it sometimes takes the form of an enthusiasm which sustains
a man in the performance of great actions. It is the ‘lion heart’ with which
the reason makes a treaty (ix. 589 B). On the other hand it is negative rather
than positive; it is indignant at wrong or falsehood, but does not, like Love
in the Symposium and Phaedrus, aspire to the vision of Truth or Good. It is
the peremptory military spirit which prevails in the government of honour.
It differs from anger (ὀργή), this latter term having no accessory notion of
righteous indignation. Although Aristotle has retained the word, yet we may
observe that ‘passion’ (θυμός) has with him lost its affinity to the rational
and has become indistinguishable from ‘anger’ (ὀργή). And to this
vernacular use Plato himself in the Laws seems to revert (ix. 836 B), though
not always (v. 731 A). By modern philosophy too, as well as in our ordinary
conversation, the words anger or passion are employed almost exclusively
in a bad sense; there is no connotation of a just or reasonable cause by
which they are aroused. The feeling of ‘righteous indignation’ is too partial
and accidental to admit of our regarding it as a separate virtue or habit. We
are tempted also to doubt whether Plato is right in supposing that an
offender, however justly condemned, could be expected to acknowledge the
justice of his sentence; this is the spirit of a philosopher or martyr rather
than of a criminal.
We may observe (p. 444 D, E) how nearly Plato approaches Aristotle’s
famous thesis, that ‘good actions produce good habits.’ The words ‘as
healthy practices (ἐπιτηδεύματα) produce health, so do just practices
produce justice,’ have a sound very like the Nicomachean Ethics. But we
note also that an incidental remark in Plato has become a far-reaching
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There is a difficulty in understanding what Plato meant by ‘the longer
way’ (435 D; cp. infra, vi. 504): he seems to intimate some metaphysic of
the future which will not be satisfied with arguing from the principle of
contradiction. In the sixth and seventh books (compare Sophist and
Parmenides) he has given lxix us a sketch of such a metaphysic; but when
Glaucon asks for the final revelation of the idea of good, he is put off with
the declaration that he has not yet studied the preliminary sciences. How he
would have filled up the sketch, or argued about such questions from a
higher point of view, we can only conjecture. Perhaps he hoped to find
some a priori method of developing the parts out of the whole; or he might
have asked which of the ideas contains the other ideas, and possibly have
stumbled on the Hegelian identity of the ‘ego’ and the ‘universal.’ Or he
may have imagined that ideas might be constructed in some manner
analogous to the construction of figures and numbers in the mathematical
sciences. The most certain and necessary truth was to Plato the universal;
and to this he was always seeking to refer all knowledge or opinion, just as
in modern times we seek to rest them on the opposite pole of induction and
experience. The aspirations of metaphysicians have always tended to pass
beyond the limits of human thought and language: they seem to have
reached a height at which they are ‘moving about in worlds unrealized,’ and
their conceptions, although profoundly affecting their own minds, become
invisible or unintelligible to others. We are not therefore surprized to find
that Plato himself has nowhere clearly explained his doctrine of ideas; or
that his school in a later generation, like his contemporaries Glaucon and
Adeimantus, were unable to follow him in this region of speculation. In the
Sophist, where he is refuting the scepticism which maintained either that
there was no such thing as predication, or that all might be predicated of all,
he arrives at the conclusion that some ideas combine with some, but not all
with all. But he makes only one or two steps forward on this path; he
nowhere attains to any connected system of ideas, or even to a knowledge
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Republic V.
ANALYSIS. BOOK V. 449 I was going to enumerate the four forms of vice or
decline in states, when Polemarchus—he was sitting a little farther from me
than Adeimantus—taking him by the coat and leaning towards him, said
something in an undertone, of which I only caught the words, ‘Shall we let
him off?’ ‘Certainly not,’ said Adeimantus, raising his voice. Whom, I said,
are you lxx not going to let off? ‘You,’ he said. Why? ‘Because we think that
you are not dealing fairly with us in omitting women and children, of whom
you have slily disposed under the general formula that friends have all
things in common.’ And was I not right? ‘Yes,’ he replied, ‘but there are
many sorts of communism or community, and we want to know which of
them is right. The company, as you have just heard, are resolved to have a
further explanation.’ 450 Thrasymachus said, ‘Do you think that we have
come hither to dig for gold, or to hear you discourse?’ Yes, I said; but the
discourse should be of a reasonable length. Glaucon added, ‘Yes, Socrates,
and there is reason in spending the whole of life in such discussions; but
pray, without more ado, tell us how this community is to be carried out, and
how the interval between birth and education is to be filled up.’ Well, I said,
the subject has several difficulties—What is possible? is the first question.
What is desirable? is the second. ‘Fear not,’ he replied, ‘for you are
speaking among friends.’ That, I replied, is a sorry consolation; I shall
destroy my friends as well as myself. 451 Not that I mind a little innocent
laughter; but he who kills the truth is a murderer. ‘Then,’ said Glaucon,
laughing, ‘in case you should murder us we will acquit you beforehand, and
you shall be held free from the guilt of deceiving us.’
Socrates proceeds:—The guardians of our state are to be watch-dogs, as
we have already said. Now dogs are not divided into hes and shes—we do
not take the masculine gender out to hunt and leave the females at home to
look after their puppies. They have the same employments—the only
difference between them is that the one sex is stronger and the other weaker.
But if women are to have the same employments as men, they must have
the same education—they must be taught music and gymnastics, and the art
of war. 452 I know that a great joke will be made of their riding on
horseback and carrying weapons; the sight of the naked old wrinkled
women showing their agility in the palaestra will certainly not be a vision of
beauty, and may be expected to become a famous jest. But we must not
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present gymnastics. All is habit: people have at last found out that the
exposure is better than the concealment of the lxxi person, and now they
laugh no more. Evil only should be the subject of ridicule.
453 The first question is, whether women are able either wholly or
partially to share in the employments of men. And here we may be charged
with inconsistency in making the proposal at all. For we started originally
with the division of labour; and the diversity of employments was based on
the difference of natures. But is there no difference between men and
women? Nay, are they not wholly different? There was the difficulty,
Glaucon, which made me unwilling to speak of family relations. However,
when a man is out of his depth, whether in a pool or in an ocean, he can
only swim for his life; and we must try to find a way of escape, if we can.
454 The argument is, that different natures have different uses, and the
natures of men and women are said to differ. But this is only a verbal
opposition. We do not consider that the difference may be purely nominal
and accidental; for example, a bald man and a hairy man are opposed in a
single point of view, but you cannot infer that because a bald man is a
cobbler a hairy man ought not to be a cobbler. Now why is such an
inference erroneous? Simply because the opposition between them is partial
only, like the difference between a male physician and a female physician,
not running through the whole nature, like the difference between a
physician and a carpenter. And if the difference of the sexes is only that the
one beget and the other bear children, this does not prove that they ought to
have distinct educations. 455 Admitting that women differ from men in
capacity, do not men equally differ from one another? Has not nature
scattered all the qualities which our citizens require indifferently up and
down among the two sexes? and even in their peculiar pursuits, are not
women often, though in some cases superior to men, ridiculously enough
surpassed by them? Women are the same in kind as men, and have the same
aptitude or want of aptitude for medicine or gymnastic or war, 456 but in a
less degree. One woman will be a good guardian, another not; and the good
must be chosen to be the colleagues of our guardians. If however their
natures are the same, the inference is that their education must also be the
same; there is no longer anything unnatural or impossible in a woman
learning music lxxii and gymnastic. And the education which we give them
will be the very best, far superior to that of cobblers, and will train up the
very best women, and nothing can be more advantageous to the State than
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toils of war and in the defence of their country; he who laughs at them is a
fool for his pains.
The first wave is past, and the argument is compelled to admit that men
and women have common duties and pursuits. A second and greater wave is
rolling in—community of wives and children; is this either expedient or
possible? The expediency I do not doubt; I am not so sure of the possibility.
‘Nay, I think that a considerable doubt will be entertained on both points.’ I
meant to have escaped the trouble of proving the first, but as you have
detected the little stratagem I must even submit. 458 Only allow me to feed
my fancy like the solitary in his walks, with a dream of what might be, and
then I will return to the question of what can be.
In the first place our rulers will enforce the laws and make new ones
where they are wanted, and their allies or ministers will obey. You, as
legislator, have already selected the men; and now you shall select the
women. After the selection has been made, they will dwell in common
houses and have their meals in common, and will be brought together by a
necessity more certain than that of mathematics. But they cannot be allowed
to live in licentiousness; that is an unholy thing, which the rulers are
determined to prevent. For the avoidance of this, 459 holy marriage
festivals will be instituted, and their holiness will be in proportion to their
usefulness. And here, Glaucon, I should like to ask (as I know that you are a
breeder of birds and animals), Do you not take the greatest care in the
mating? ‘Certainly.’ And there is no reason to suppose that less care is
required in the marriage of human beings. But then our rulers must be
skilful physicians of the State, for they will often need a strong dose of
falsehood in order to bring about desirable unions between their subjects.
The good must be paired with the good, and the bad with the bad, and the
offspring of the one must be reared, and of the other destroyed; in this way
the flock will be preserved in prime condition. 460 Hymeneal festivals will
be celebrated at times fixed with an eye to population, and the brides and
bridegrooms will lxxiii meet at them; and by an ingenious system of lots the
rulers will contrive that the brave and the fair come together, and that those
of inferior breed are paired with inferiors—the latter will ascribe to chance
what is really the invention of the rulers. And when children are born, the
offspring of the brave and fair will be carried to an enclosure in a certain
part of the city, and there attended by suitable nurses; the rest will be
hurried away to places unknown. The mothers will be brought to the fold
and will suckle the children; care however must be taken that none of them
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hired. The trouble of watching and getting up at night will be transferred to
attendants. ‘Then the wives of our guardians will have a fine easy time
when they are having children.’ And quite right too, I said, that they should.
The parents ought to be in the prime of life, which for a man may be
reckoned at thirty years—from twenty-five, 461 when he has ‘passed the
point at which the speed of life is greatest,’ to fifty-five; and at twenty years
for a woman—from twenty to forty. Any one above or below those ages
who partakes in the hymeneals shall be guilty of impiety; also every one
who forms a marriage connexion at other times without the consent of the
rulers. This latter regulation applies to those who are within the specified
ages, after which they may range at will, provided they avoid the prohibited
degrees of parents and children, or of brothers and sisters, which last,
however, are not absolutely prohibited, if a dispensation be procured. ‘But
how shall we know the degrees of affinity, when all things are common?’
The answer is, that brothers and sisters are all such as are born seven or nine
months after the espousals, and their parents those who are then espoused,
462 and every one will have many children and every child many parents.

Socrates proceeds: I have now to prove that this scheme is advantageous
and also consistent with our entire polity. The greatest good of a State is
unity; the greatest evil, discord and distraction. And there will be unity
where there are no private pleasures or pains or interests—where if one
member suffers all the members suffer, if one citizen is touched all are
quickly sensitive; and the least hurt to the little finger of the State runs
through the whole body and vibrates to the soul. For the true lxxiv State, like
an individual, is injured as a whole when any part is affected. 463 Every
State has subjects and rulers, who in a democracy are called rulers, and in
other States masters: but in our State they are called saviours and allies; and
the subjects who in other States are termed slaves, are by us termed
nurturers and paymasters, and those who are termed comrades and
colleagues in other places, are by us called fathers and brothers. And
whereas in other States members of the same government regard one of
their colleagues as a friend and another as an enemy, in our State no man is
a stranger to another; for every citizen is connected with every other by ties
of blood, and these names and this way of speaking will have a
corresponding reality—brother, father, sister, mother, repeated from infancy
in the ears of children, will not be mere words. 464 Then again the citizens
will have all things in common, in having common property they will have
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Can there be strife and contention among those who are of one mind; or
lawsuits about property when men have nothing but their bodies which they
call their own; or suits about violence when every one is bound to defend
himself? 465 The permission to strike when insulted will be an ‘antidote’ to
the knife and will prevent disturbances in the State. But no younger man
will strike an elder; reverence will prevent him from laying hands on his
kindred, and he will fear that the rest of the family may retaliate. Moreover,
our citizens will be rid of the lesser evils of life; there will be no flattery of
the rich, no sordid household cares, no borrowing and not paying.
Compared with the citizens of other States, ours will be Olympic victors,
and crowned with blessings greater still—they and their children having a
better maintenance during life, and after death an honourable burial.
466 Nor has the happiness of the individual been sacrificed to the happiness
of the State (cp. iv. 419 E); our Olympic victor has not been turned into a
cobbler, but he has a happiness beyond that of any cobbler. At the same
time, if any conceited youth begins to dream of appropriating the State to
himself, he must be reminded that ‘half is better than the whole.’ ‘I should
certainly advise him to stay where he is when he has the promise of such a
brave life.’
But is such a community possible?—as among the animals, so lxxv also
among men; and if possible, in what way possible? About war there is no
difficulty; the principle of communism is adapted to military service.
Parents will take their children to look on at a battle, 467 just as potters’
boys are trained to the business by looking on at the wheel. And to the
parents themselves, as to other animals, the sight of their young ones will
prove a great incentive to bravery. Young warriors must learn, but they must
not run into danger, although a certain degree of risk is worth incurring
when the benefit is great. The young creatures should be placed under the
care of experienced veterans, and they should have wings—that is to say,
swift and tractable steeds on which they may fly away and escape. 468 One
of the first things to be done is to teach a youth to ride.
Cowards and deserters shall be degraded to the class of husbandmen;
gentlemen who allow themselves to be taken prisoners, may be presented to
the enemy. But what shall be done to the hero? First of all he shall be
crowned by all the youths in the army; secondly, he shall receive the right
hand of fellowship; and thirdly, do you think that there is any harm in his
being kissed? We have already determined that he shall have more wives
than others, in order that he may have as many children as possible. And at
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honouring brave men with ‘long chines,’ which is an appropriate
compliment, because meat is a very strengthening thing. Fill the bowl then,
and give the best seats and meats to the brave—may they do them good!
And he who dies in battle will be at once declared to be of the golden race,
and will, as we believe, become one of Hesiod’s guardian angels. 469 He
shall be worshipped after death in the manner prescribed by the oracle; and
not only he, but all other benefactors of the State who die in any other way,
shall be admitted to the same honours.
The next question is, How shall we treat our enemies? Shall Hellenes be
enslaved? No; for there is too great a risk of the whole race passing under
the yoke of the barbarians. Or shall the dead be despoiled? Certainly not;
for that sort of thing is an excuse for skulking, and has been the ruin of
many an army. There is meanness and feminine malice in making an enemy
of the dead body, when the soul which was the owner has fled—lxxvilike a
dog who cannot reach his assailants, and quarrels with the stones which are
thrown at him instead. Again, the arms of Hellenes should not be offered up
in the temples of the Gods; 470 they are a pollution, for they are taken from
brethren. And on similar grounds there should be a limit to the devastation
of Hellenic territory—the houses should not be burnt, nor more than the
annual produce carried off. For war is of two kinds, civil and foreign; the
first of which is properly termed ‘discord,’ and only the second ‘war;’ and
war between Hellenes is in reality civil war—a quarrel in a family, which is
ever to be regarded as unpatriotic and unnatural, 471 and ought to be
prosecuted with a view to reconciliation in a true phil-Hellenic spirit, as of
those who would chasten but not utterly enslave. The war is not against a
whole nation who are a friendly multitude of men, women, and children,
but only against a few guilty persons; when they are punished peace will be
restored. That is the way in which Hellenes should war against one another
—and against barbarians, as they war against one another now.
‘But, my dear Socrates, you are forgetting the main question: Is such a
State possible? I grant all and more than you say about the blessedness of
being one family—fathers, brothers, mothers, daughters, going out to war
together; but I want to ascertain the possibility of this ideal State.’ You are
too unmerciful. 472 The first wave and the second wave I have hardly
escaped, and now you will certainly drown me with the third. When you see
the towering crest of the wave, I expect you to take pity. ‘Not a whit.’
Well, then, we were led to form our ideal polity in the search after justice,
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being impracticable? Would the picture of a perfectly beautiful man be any
the worse because no such man ever lived? Can any reality come up to the
idea? Nature will not allow words to be fully realized; 473 but if I am to try
and realize the ideal of the State in a measure, I think that an approach may
be made to the perfection of which I dream by one or two, I do not say
slight, but possible changes in the present constitution of States. I would
reduce them to a single one—the great wave, as I call it. Until, then, kings
are philosophers, or philosophers are kings, cities will never cease from ill:
no, nor the lxxvii human race; nor will our ideal polity ever come into being.
I know that this is a hard saying, which few will be able to receive.
‘Socrates, all the world will take off his coat and rush upon you with sticks
and stones, 474 and therefore I would advise you to prepare an answer.’
You got me into the scrape, I said. ‘And I was right,’ he replied; ‘however, I
will stand by you as a sort of do-nothing, well-meaning ally.’ Having the
help of such a champion, I will do my best to maintain my position. And
first, I must explain of whom I speak and what sort of natures these are who
are to be philosophers and rulers. As you are a man of pleasure, you will not
have forgotten how indiscriminate lovers are in their attachments; they love
all, and turn blemishes into beauties. The snub-nosed youth is said to have a
winning grace; the beak of another has a royal look; the featureless are
faultless; the dark are manly, the fair angels; the sickly have a new term of
endearment invented expressly for them, which is ‘honey-pale.’ 475 Lovers
of wine and lovers of ambition also desire the objects of their affection in
every form. Now here comes the point:—The philosopher too is a lover of
knowledge in every form; he has an insatiable curiosity. ‘But will curiosity
make a philosopher? Are the lovers of sights and sounds, who let out their
ears to every chorus at the Dionysiac festivals, to be called philosophers?’
They are not true philosophers, but only an imitation. ‘Then how are we to
describe the true?’
You would acknowledge the existence of abstract ideas, 476 such as
justice, beauty, good, evil, which are severally one, yet in their various
combinations appear to be many. Those who recognize these realities are
philosophers; whereas the other class hear sounds and see colours, and
understand their use in the arts, but cannot attain to the true or waking
vision of absolute justice or beauty or truth; they have not the light of
knowledge, but of opinion, and what they see is a dream only. Perhaps he of
whom we say the last will be angry with us; can we pacify him without
revealing the disorder of his mind? Suppose we say that, if he has
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which is, as ignorance is of something which is not; 477 and there is a third
thing, which both is and is not, and is matter of opinion only. Opinion and
knowledge, then, having distinct objects, must also be distinct faculties.
And lxxviii by faculties I mean powers unseen and distinguishable only by
the difference in their objects, as opinion and knowledge differ, since the
one is liable to err, but the other is unerring and is the mightiest of all our
faculties. If being is the object of knowledge, 478 and not-being of
ignorance, and these are the extremes, opinion must lie between them, and
may be called darker than the one and brighter than the other. This
intermediate or contingent matter is and is not at the same time, and
partakes both of existence and of non-existence. 479 Now I would ask my
good friend, who denies abstract beauty and justice, and affirms a many
beautiful and a many just, whether everything he sees is not in some point
of view different—the beautiful ugly, the pious impious, the just unjust? Is
not the double also the half, and are not heavy and light relative terms
which pass into one another? Everything is and is not, as in the old riddle
—‘A man and not a man shot and did not shoot a bird and not a bird with a
stone and not a stone.’ The mind cannot be fixed on either alternative; and
these ambiguous, intermediate, erring, half-lighted objects, which have a
disorderly movement in the region between being and not-being, are the
proper matter of opinion, 480 as the immutable objects are the proper
matter of knowledge. And he who grovels in the world of sense, and has
only this uncertain perception of things, is not a philosopher, but a lover of
opinion only….

Republic V.
INTRODUCTION. The fifth book is the new beginning of the Republic, in which
the community of property and of family are first maintained, and the
transition is made to the kingdom of philosophers. For both of these Plato,
after his manner, has been preparing in some chance words of Book IV (424
A), which fall unperceived on the reader’s mind, as they are supposed at
first to have fallen on the ear of Glaucon and Adeimantus. The ‘paradoxes,’
as Morgenstern terms them, of this book of the Republic will be reserved
for another place; a few remarks on the style, and some explanations of
difficulties, may be briefly added.
First, there is the image of the waves, which serves for a sort of scheme
or plan of the book. The first wave, the second wave, the third and greatest
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the extravagance of Plato’s proposals is anticipated by himself. Nothing is
more admirable than the lxxix hesitation with which he proposes the solemn
text, ‘Until kings are philosophers,’ &c.; or the reaction from the sublime to
the ridiculous, when Glaucon describes the manner in which the new truth
will be received by mankind.
Some defects and difficulties may be noted in the execution of the
communistic plan. Nothing is told us of the application of communism to
the lower classes; nor is the table of prohibited degrees capable of being
made out. It is quite possible that a child born at one hymeneal festival may
marry one of its own brothers or sisters, or even one of its parents, at
another. Plato is afraid of incestuous unions, but at the same time he does
not wish to bring before us the fact that the city would be divided into
families of those born seven and nine months after each hymeneal festival.
If it were worth while to argue seriously about such fancies, we might
remark that while all the old affinities are abolished, the newly prohibited
affinity rests not on any natural or rational principle, but only upon the
accident of children having been born in the same month and year. Nor does
he explain how the lots could be so manipulated by the legislature as to
bring together the fairest and best. The singular expression (460 E) which is
employed to describe the age of five-and-twenty may perhaps be taken from
some poet.
In the delineation of the philosopher, the illustrations of the nature of
philosophy derived from love are more suited to the apprehension of
Glaucon, the Athenian man of pleasure, than to modern tastes or feelings
(cp. v. 474, 475). They are partly facetious, but also contain a germ of truth.
That science is a whole, remains a true principle of inductive as well as of
metaphysical philosophy; and the love of universal knowledge is still the
characteristic of the philosopher in modern as well as in ancient times.
At the end of the fifth book Plato introduces the figment of contingent
matter, which has exercised so great an influence both on the Ethics and
Theology of the modern world, and which occurs here for the first time in
the history of philosophy. He did not remark that the degrees of knowledge
in the subject have nothing corresponding to them in the object. With him a
word must answer to an idea; and he could not conceive of an opinion
which was an opinion about nothing. The influence of analogy led him to
invent ‘parallels and conjugates’ and to overlook facts. To us lxxx some of
his difficulties are puzzling only from their simplicity: we do not perceive
that the answer to them ‘is tumbling out at our feet.’ To the mind of early

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thinkers, the conception of not-being was dark and mysterious (Sophist, 254
A); they did not see that this terrible apparition which threatened
destruction to all knowledge was only a logical determination. The common
term under which, through the accidental use of language, two entirely
different ideas were included was another source of confusion. Thus
through the ambiguity of δοκεῖν, φαίνεται, ἔοικεν, κ.τ.λ., Plato, attempting
to introduce order into the first chaos of human thought, seems to have
confused perception and opinion, and to have failed to distinguish the
contingent from the relative. In the Theaetetus the first of these difficulties
begins to clear up; in the Sophist the second; and for this, as well as for
other reasons, both these dialogues are probably to be regarded as later than
the Republic.

Republic VI.
ANALYSIS. BOOK VI. 484 Having determined that the many have no
knowledge of true being, and have no clear patterns in their minds of
justice, beauty, truth, and that philosophers have such patterns, we have
now to ask whether they or the many shall be rulers in our State. But who
can doubt that philosophers should be chosen, if they have the other
qualities which are required in a ruler? 485 For they are lovers of the
knowledge of the eternal and of all truth; they are haters of falsehood; their
meaner desires are absorbed in the interests of knowledge; they are
spectators of all time and all existence; 486 and in the magnificence of their
contemplation the life of man is as nothing to them, nor is death fearful.
Also they are of a social, gracious disposition, equally free from cowardice
and arrogance. They learn and remember easily; they have harmonious,
well-regulated minds; truth flows to them sweetly by nature. Can the god of
Jealousy himself 487 find any fault with such an assemblage of good
qualities?
Here Adeimantus interposes:—‘No man can answer you, Socrates; but
every man feels that this is owing to his own deficiency in argument. He is
driven from one position to another, until he has nothing more to say, just as
an unskilful player at draughts is reduced to his last move by a more skilled
opponent. And yet all the time he may be right. lxxxi He may know, in this
very instance, that those who make philosophy the business of their lives,
generally turn out rogues if they are bad men, and fools if they are good.
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admission reconcileable with the doctrine that philosophers should be
kings?’
488 I shall answer you in a parable which will also let you see how poor
a hand I am at the invention of allegories. The relation of good men to their
governments is so peculiar, that in order to defend them I must take an
illustration from the world of fiction. Conceive the captain of a ship, taller
by a head and shoulders than any of the crew, yet a little deaf, a little blind,
and rather ignorant of the seaman’s art. The sailors want to steer, although
they know nothing of the art; and they have a theory that it cannot be
learned. If the helm is refused them, they drug the captain’s posset, bind
him hand and foot, and take possession of the ship. He who joins in the
mutiny is termed a good pilot and what not; they have no conception that
the true pilot must observe the winds and the stars, and must be their
master, whether they like it or not;—such an one would be called by them
fool, prater, star-gazer. 489 This is my parable; which I will beg you to
interpret for me to those gentlemen who ask why the philosopher has such
an evil name, and to explain to them that not he, but those who will not use
him, are to blame for his uselessness. The philosopher should not beg of
mankind to be put in authority over them. The wise man should not seek the
rich, as the proverb bids, but every man, whether rich or poor, must knock
at the door of the physician when he has need of him. Now the pilot is the
philosopher—he whom in the parable they call star-gazer, and the mutinous
sailors are the mob of politicians by whom he is rendered useless. Not that
these are the worst enemies of philosophy, who is far more dishonoured by
her own professing sons when they are corrupted by the world. 490 Need I
recall the original image of the philosopher? Did we not say of him just
now, that he loved truth and hated falsehood, and that he could not rest in
the multiplicity of phenomena, but was led by a sympathy in his own nature
to the contemplation of the absolute? All the virtues as well as truth, who is
the leader of them, took up their abode in his soul. But as you were
observing, if we turn aside to view the reality, we see lxxxii that the persons
who were thus described, with the exception of a small and useless class,
are utter rogues.
The point which has to be considered, is the origin of this corruption in
nature. 491 Every one will admit that the philosopher, in our description of
him, is a rare being. But what numberless causes tend to destroy these rare
beings! There is no good thing which may not be a cause of evil—health,
wealth, strength, rank, and the virtues themselves, when placed under
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strongest seeds most need the accompaniment of good air and soil, so the
best of human characters turn out the worst when they fall upon an
unsuitable soil; whereas weak natures hardly ever do any considerable good
or harm; they are not the stuff out of which either great criminals or great
heroes are made. 492 The philosopher follows the same analogy: he is
either the best or the worst of all men. Some persons say that the Sophists
are the corrupters of youth; but is not public opinion the real Sophist who is
everywhere present—in those very persons, in the assembly, in the courts,
in the camp, in the applauses and hisses of the theatre re-echoed by the
surrounding hills? Will not a young man’s heart leap amid these discordant
sounds? and will any education save him from being carried away by the
torrent? Nor is this all. For if he will not yield to opinion, there follows the
gentle compulsion of exile or death. What principle of rival Sophists or
anybody else can overcome in such an unequal contest? Characters there
may be more than human, 493 who are exceptions—God may save a man,
but not his own strength. Further, I would have you consider that the
hireling Sophist only gives back to the world their own opinions; he is the
keeper of the monster, who knows how to flatter or anger him, and observes
the meaning of his inarticulate grunts. Good is what pleases him, evil what
he dislikes; truth and beauty are determined only by the taste of the brute.
Such is the Sophist’s wisdom, and such is the condition of those who make
public opinion the test of truth, whether in art or in morals. The curse is laid
upon them of being and doing what it approves, and when they attempt first
principles the failure is ludicrous. Think of all this and ask yourself whether
the world is more likely to be a believer in the unity of the idea, or in the
multiplicity of phenomena. And the world if not a believer lxxxiii in the idea
cannot be a philosopher, 494 and must therefore be a persecutor of
philosophers. There is another evil:—the world does not like to lose the
gifted nature, and so they flatter the young [Alcibiades] into a magnificent
opinion of his own capacity; the tall, proper youth begins to expand, and is
dreaming of kingdoms and empires. If at this instant a friend whispers to
him, ‘Now the gods lighten thee; thou art a great fool’ and must be educated
—do you think that he will listen? Or suppose a better sort of man who is
attracted towards philosophy, will they not make Herculean efforts to spoil
and corrupt him? 495 Are we not right in saying that the love of
knowledge, no less than riches, may divert him? Men of this class [Critias]
often become politicians—they are the authors of great mischief in states,
and sometimes also of great good. And thus philosophy is deserted by her
natural protectors, and others enter in and dishonour her. Vulgar little minds
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clever mechanic having a soul coarse as his body, thinks that he will gain
caste by becoming her suitor. For philosophy, even in her fallen estate, has a
dignity of her own—and he, like a bald little blacksmith’s apprentice as he
is, having made some money and got out of durance, washes and dresses
himself as a bridegroom and marries his master’s daughter. 496 What will
be the issue of such marriages? Will they not be vile and bastard, devoid of
truth and nature? ‘They will.’ Small, then, is the remnant of genuine
philosophers; there may be a few who are citizens of small states, in which
politics are not worth thinking of, or who have been detained by Theages’
bridle of ill health; for my own case of the oracular sign is almost unique,
and too rare to be worth mentioning. And these few when they have tasted
the pleasures of philosophy, and have taken a look at that den of thieves and
place of wild beasts, which is human life, will stand aside from the storm
under the shelter of a wall, and try to preserve their own innocence and to
depart in peace. ‘A great work, too, will have been accomplished by them.’
Great, yes, but not the greatest; for man is a social being, and can only
attain his highest development in the society which is best suited to him.
497 Enough, then, of the causes why philosophy has such an evil name.
Another question is, Which of existing states is suited to her? Not one of
them; at present she is like some exotic seed lxxxiv which degenerates in a
strange soil; only in her proper state will she be shown to be of heavenly
growth. ‘And is her proper state ours or some other?’ Ours in all points but
one, which was left undetermined. You may remember our saying that some
living mind or witness of the legislator was needed in states. But we were
afraid to enter upon a subject of such difficulty, and now the question recurs
and has not grown easier:—How may philosophy be safely studied? Let us
bring her into the light of day, and make an end of the inquiry.
In the first place, I say boldly that nothing can be worse than the present
mode of study. 498 Persons usually pick up a little philosophy in early
youth, and in the intervals of business, but they never master the real
difficulty, which is dialectic. Later, perhaps, they occasionally go to a
lecture on philosophy. Years advance, and the sun of philosophy, unlike that
of Heracleitus, sets never to rise again. This order of education should be
reversed; it should begin with gymnastics in youth, and as the man
strengthens, he should increase the gymnastics of his soul. Then, when
active life is over, let him finally return to philosophy. ‘You are in earnest,
Socrates, but the world will be equally earnest in withstanding you—no
more than Thrasymachus.’ Do not make a quarrel between Thrasymachus
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shall do my best to convince him and all mankind of the truth of my words,
or at any rate to prepare for the future when, in another life, we may again
take part in similar discussions. ‘That will be a long time hence.’ Not long
in comparison with eternity. The many will probably remain incredulous,
for they have never seen the natural unity of ideas, but only artificial
juxtapositions; not free and generous thoughts, but tricks of controversy and
quips of law;— 499 a perfect man ruling in a perfect state, even a single one
they have not known. And we foresaw that there was no chance of
perfection either in states or individuals until a necessity was laid upon
philosophers—not the rogues, but those whom we called the useless class—
of holding office; or until the sons of kings were inspired with a true love of
philosophy. Whether in the infinity of past time there has been, or is in
some distant land, or ever will be hereafter, an ideal such as we have
described, we stoutly maintain that there has been, is, and lxxxv will be such
a state whenever the Muse of philosophy rules. 500 Will you say that the
world is of another mind? O, my friend, do not revile the world! They will
soon change their opinion if they are gently entreated, and are taught the
true nature of the philosopher. Who can hate a man who loves him? Or be
jealous of one who has no jealousy? Consider, again, that the many hate not
the true but the false philosophers—the pretenders who force their way in
without invitation, and are always speaking of persons and not of principles,
which is unlike the spirit of philosophy. For the true philosopher despises
earthly strife; his eye is fixed on the eternal order in accordance with which
he moulds himself into the Divine image (and not himself only, but other
men), and is the creator of the virtues private as well as public. When
mankind see that the happiness of states is only to be found in that image,
will they be angry with us for attempting to delineate it? ‘Certainly not. But
what will be the process of delineation?’ 501 The artist will do nothing until
he has made a tabula rasa; on this he will inscribe the constitution of a
state, glancing often at the divine truth of nature, and from that deriving the
godlike among men, mingling the two elements, rubbing out and painting
in, until there is a perfect harmony or fusion of the divine and human. But
perhaps the world will doubt the existence of such an artist. What will they
doubt? That the philosopher is a lover of truth, having a nature akin to the
best?—and if they admit this will they still quarrel with us for making
philosophers our kings? ‘They will be less disposed to quarrel.’ 502 Let us
assume then that they are pacified. Still, a person may hesitate about the
probability of the son of a king being a philosopher. And we do not deny
that they are very liable to be corrupted; but yet surely in the course of ages
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a philosopher, and had obedient citizens, he might bring the ideal polity into
being. Hence we conclude that our laws are not only the best, but that they
are also possible, though not free from difficulty.
I gained nothing by evading the troublesome questions which arose
concerning women and children. I will be wiser now and acknowledge that
we must go to the bottom of another question: What is to be the education
of our guardians? It was lxxxvi agreed that they were to be lovers of their
country, 503 and were to be tested in the refiner’s fire of pleasures and
pains, and those who came forth pure and remained fixed in their principles
were to have honours and rewards in life and after death. But at this point,
the argument put on her veil and turned into another path. I hesitated to
make the assertion which I now hazard,—that our guardians must be
philosophers. You remember all the contradictory elements, which met in
the philosopher—how difficult to find them all in a single person!
Intelligence and spirit are not often combined with steadiness; the stolid,
fearless, nature is averse to intellectual toil. And yet these opposite elements
are all necessary, and therefore, as we were saying before, the aspirant must
be tested in pleasures and dangers; and also, as we must now further add,
504 in the highest branches of knowledge. You will remember, that when
we spoke of the virtues mention was made of a longer road, which you were
satisfied to leave unexplored. ‘Enough seemed to have been said.’ Enough,
my friend; but what is enough while anything remains wanting? Of all men
the guardian must not faint in the search after truth; he must be prepared to
take the longer road, or he will never reach that higher region which is
above the four virtues; and of the virtues too he must not only get an
outline, but a clear and distinct vision. (Strange that we should be so precise
about trifles, so careless about the highest truths!) ‘And what are the
highest?’ 505 You to pretend unconsciousness, when you have so often
heard me speak of the idea of good, about which we know so little, and
without which though a man gain the world he has no profit of it! Some
people imagine that the good is wisdom; but this involves a circle,—the
good, they say, is wisdom, wisdom has to do with the good. According to
others the good is pleasure; but then comes the absurdity that good is bad,
for there are bad pleasures as well as good. Again, the good must have
reality; a man may desire the appearance of virtue, but he will not desire the
appearance of good. Ought our guardians then to be ignorant of this
supreme principle, 506 of which every man has a presentiment, and without
which no man has any real knowledge of anything? ‘But, Socrates, what is
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troublesome, but I say that you have no business to be always lxxxvii
repeating the doctrines of others instead of giving us your own.’ Can I say
what I do not know? ‘You may offer an opinion.’ And will the blindness and
crookedness of opinion content you when you might have the light and
certainty of science? ‘I will only ask you to give such an explanation of the
good as you have given already of temperance and justice.’ I wish that I
could, but in my present mood I cannot reach to the height of the
knowledge of the good. 507 To the parent or principal I cannot introduce
you, but to the child begotten in his image, which I may compare with the
interest on the principal, I will. (Audit the account, and do not let me give
you a false statement of the debt.) You remember our old distinction of the
many beautiful and the one beautiful, the particular and the universal, the
objects of sight and the objects of thought? Did you ever consider that the
objects of sight imply a faculty of sight which is the most complex and
costly of our senses, requiring not only objects of sense, but also a medium,
which is light; without which the sight will not distinguish between colours
and all will be a blank? 508 For light is the noble bond between the
perceiving faculty and the thing perceived, and the god who gives us light is
the sun, who is the eye of the day, but is not to be confounded with the eye
of man. This eye of the day or sun is what I call the child of the good,
standing in the same relation to the visible world as the good to the
intellectual. When the sun shines the eye sees, and in the intellectual world
where truth is, there is sight and light. Now that which is the sun of
intelligent natures, is the idea of good, the cause of knowledge and truth, yet
other and fairer than they are, 509 and standing in the same relation to them
in which the sun stands to light. O inconceivable height of beauty, which is
above knowledge and above truth! (‘You cannot surely mean pleasure,’ he
said. Peace, I replied.) And this idea of good, like the sun, is also the cause
of growth, and the author not of knowledge only, but of being, yet greater
far than either in dignity and power. ‘That is a reach of thought more than
human; but, pray, go on with the image, for I suspect that there is more
behind.’ There is, I said; and bearing in mind our two suns or principles,
imagine further their corresponding worlds—one of the visible, the other of
the intelligible; you may assist your fancy by figuring the distinction under
the image lxxxviii of a line divided into two unequal parts, and may again
subdivide each part into two lesser segments representative of the stages of
knowledge in either sphere. The lower portion of the lower or visible sphere
will consist of shadows and reflections, 510 and its upper and smaller
portion will contain real objects in the world of nature or of art. The sphere
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which there is no ascent but all is descent; no inquiring into premises, but
only drawing of inferences. In this division the mind works with figures and
numbers, the images of which are taken not from the shadows, but from the
objects, although the truth of them is seen only with the mind’s eye; and
they are used as hypotheses without being analysed. 511 Whereas in the
other division reason uses the hypotheses as stages or steps in the ascent to
the idea of good, to which she fastens them, and then again descends,
walking firmly in the region of ideas, and of ideas only, in her ascent as
well as descent, and finally resting in them. ‘I partly understand,’ he replied;
‘you mean that the ideas of science are superior to the hypothetical,
metaphorical conceptions of geometry and the other arts or sciences,
whichever is to be the name of them; and the latter conceptions you refuse
to make subjects of pure intellect, because they have no first principle,
although when resting on a first principle, they pass into the higher sphere.’
You understand me very well, I said. And now to those four divisions of
knowledge you may assign four corresponding faculties—pure intelligence
to the highest sphere; active intelligence to the second; to the third, faith; to
the fourth, the perception of shadows—and the clearness of the several
faculties will be in the same ratio as the truth of the objects to which they
are related….

Republic VI.
INTRODUCTION. Like Socrates, we may recapitulate the virtues of the
philosopher. In language which seems to reach beyond the horizon of that
age and country, he is described as ‘the spectator of all time and all
existence.’ He has the noblest gifts of nature, and makes the highest use of
them. All his desires are absorbed in the love of wisdom, which is the love
of truth. None of the graces of a beautiful soul are wanting in him; neither
can he fear death, or think much of human life. The ideal of modern lxxxix
times hardly retains the simplicity of the antique; there is not the same
originality either in truth or error which characterized the Greeks. The
philosopher is no longer living in the unseen, nor is he sent by an oracle to
convince mankind of ignorance; nor does he regard knowledge as a system
of ideas leading upwards by regular stages to the idea of good. The
eagerness of the pursuit has abated; there is more division of labour and less
of comprehensive reflection upon nature and human life as a whole; more
of exact observation and less of anticipation and inspiration. Still, in the
altered conditions of knowledge, the parallel is not wholly lost; and there
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own age. The philosopher in modern times is one who fixes his mind on the
laws of nature in their sequence and connexion, not on fragments or
pictures of nature; on history, not on controversy; on the truths which are
acknowledged by the few, not on the opinions of the many. He is aware of
the importance of ‘classifying according to nature,’ and will try to ‘separate
the limbs of science without breaking them’ (Phaedr. 265 E). There is no
part of truth, whether great or small, which he will dishonour; and in the
least things he will discern the greatest (Parmen. 130 C). Like the ancient
philosopher he sees the world pervaded by analogies, but he can also tell
‘why in some cases a single instance is sufficient for an induction’ (Mill’s
Logic, 3, 3, 3), while in other cases a thousand examples would prove
nothing. He inquires into a portion of knowledge only, because the whole
has grown too vast to be embraced by a single mind or life. He has a clearer
conception of the divisions of science and of their relation to the mind of
man than was possible to the ancients. Like Plato, he has a vision of the
unity of knowledge, not as the beginning of philosophy to be attained by a
study of elementary mathematics, but as the far-off result of the working of
many minds in many ages. He is aware that mathematical studies are
preliminary to almost every other; at the same time, he will not reduce all
varieties of knowledge to the type of mathematics. He too must have a
nobility of character, without which genius loses the better half of greatness.
Regarding the world as a point in immensity, and each individual as a link
in a never-ending chain of existence, he will not think much of his own life,
or be greatly afraid of death.
xc Adeimantus objects first of all to the form of the Socratic reasoning,
thus showing that Plato is aware of the imperfection of his own method. He
brings the accusation against himself which might be brought against him
by a modern logician—that he extracts the answer because he knows how to
put the question. In a long argument words are apt to change their meaning
slightly, or premises may be assumed or conclusions inferred with rather too
much certainty or universality; the variation at each step may be
unobserved, and yet at last the divergence becomes considerable. Hence the
failure of attempts to apply arithmetical or algebraic formulae to logic. The
imperfection, or rather the higher and more elastic nature of language, does
not allow words to have the precision of numbers or of symbols. And this
quality in language impairs the force of an argument which has many steps.
The objection, though fairly met by Socrates in this particular instance,
may be regarded as implying a reflection upon the Socratic mode of
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had come when the negative and interrogative method of Socrates must be
superseded by a positive and constructive one, of which examples are given
in some of the later dialogues. Adeimantus further argues that the ideal is
wholly at variance with facts; for experience proves philosophers to be
either useless or rogues. Contrary to all expectation (cp. p. 497 for a similar
surprise) Socrates has no hesitation in admitting the truth of this, and
explains the anomaly in an allegory, first characteristically depreciating his
own inventive powers. In this allegory the people are distinguished from the
professional politicians, and, as elsewhere, are spoken of in a tone of pity
rather than of censure under the image of ‘the noble captain who is not very
quick in his perceptions.’
The uselessness of philosophers is explained by the circumstance that
mankind will not use them. The world in all ages has been divided between
contempt and fear of those who employ the power of ideas and know no
other weapons. Concerning the false philosopher, Socrates argues that the
best is most liable to corruption; and that the finer nature is more likely to
suffer from alien conditions. We too observe that there are some kinds xci of
excellence which spring from a peculiar delicacy of constitution; as is
evidently true of the poetical and imaginative temperament, which often
seems to depend on impressions, and hence can only breathe or live in a
certain atmosphere. The man of genius has greater pains and greater
pleasures, greater powers and greater weaknesses, and often a greater play
of character than is to be found in ordinary men. He can assume the
disguise of virtue or disinterestedness without having them, or veil personal
enmity in the language of patriotism and philosophy,—he can say the word
which all men are thinking, he has an insight which is terrible into the
follies and weaknesses of his fellow-men. An Alcibiades, a Mirabeau, or a
Napoleon the First, are born either to be the authors of great evils in states,
or ‘of great good, when they are drawn in that direction.’
Yet the thesis, ‘corruptio optimi pessima,’ cannot be maintained generally
or without regard to the kind of excellence which is corrupted. The alien
conditions which are corrupting to one nature, may be the elements of
culture to another. In general a man can only receive his highest
development in a congenial state or family, among friends or fellow-
workers. But also he may sometimes be stirred by adverse circumstances to
such a degree that he rises up against them and reforms them. And while
weaker or coarser characters will extract good out of evil, say in a corrupt
state of the church or of society, and live on happily, allowing the evil to
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surrounding influences—may become misanthrope and philanthrope by
turns; or in a few instances, like the founders of the monastic orders, or the
Reformers, owing to some peculiarity in themselves or in their age, may
break away entirely from the world and from the church, sometimes into
great good, sometimes into great evil, sometimes into both. And the same
holds in the lesser sphere of a convent, a school, a family.
Plato would have us consider how easily the best natures are
overpowered by public opinion, and what efforts the rest of mankind will
make to get possession of them. The world, the church, their own
profession, any political or party organization, are always carrying them off
their legs and teaching them to apply high and holy names to their own
prejudices and interests. xcii The ‘monster’ corporation to which they belong
judges right and truth to be the pleasure of the community. The individual
becomes one with his order; or, if he resists, the world is too much for him,
and will sooner or later be revenged on him. This is, perhaps, a one-sided
but not wholly untrue picture of the maxims and practice of mankind when
they ‘sit down together at an assembly,’ either in ancient or modern times.
When the higher natures are corrupted by politics, the lower take
possession of the vacant place of philosophy. This is described in one of
those continuous images in which the argument, to use a Platonic
expression, ‘veils herself,’ and which is dropped and reappears at intervals.
The question is asked,—Why are the citizens of states so hostile to
philosophy? The answer is, that they do not know her. And yet there is also
a better mind of the many; they would believe if they were taught. But
hitherto they have only known a conventional imitation of philosophy,
words without thoughts, systems which have no life in them; a [divine]
person uttering the words of beauty and freedom, the friend of man holding
communion with the Eternal, and seeking to frame the state in that image,
they have never known. The same double feeling respecting the mass of
mankind has always existed among men. The first thought is that the people
are the enemies of truth and right; the second, that this only arises out of an
accidental error and confusion, and that they do not really hate those who
love them, if they could be educated to know them.
In the latter part of the sixth book, three questions have to be considered:
1st, the nature of the longer and more circuitous way, which is contrasted
with the shorter and more imperfect method of Book IV; 2nd, the heavenly
pattern or idea of the state; 3rd, the relation of the divisions of knowledge to
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1. Of the higher method of knowledge in Plato we have only a glimpse.
Neither here nor in the Phaedrus or Symposium, nor yet in the Philebus or
Sophist, does he give any clear explanation of his meaning. He would
probably have described his method as proceeding by regular steps to a
system of universal knowledge, which inferred the parts from the whole
rather than the whole from the parts. This ideal logic is not practised by him
xciii in the search after justice, or in the analysis of the parts of the soul;
there, like Aristotle in the Nicomachean Ethics, he argues from experience
and the common use of language. But at the end of the sixth book he
conceives another and more perfect method, in which all ideas are only
steps or grades or moments of thought, forming a connected whole which is
self-supporting, and in which consistency is the test of truth. He does not
explain to us in detail the nature of the process. Like many other thinkers
both in ancient and modern times his mind seems to be filled with a vacant
form which he is unable to realize. He supposes the sciences to have a
natural order and connexion in an age when they can hardly be said to exist.
He is hastening on to the ‘end of the intellectual world’ without even
making a beginning of them.
In modern times we hardly need to be reminded that the process of
acquiring knowledge is here confused with the contemplation of absolute
knowledge. In all science a priori and a posteriori truths mingle in various
proportions. The a priori part is that which is derived from the most
universal experience of men, or is universally accepted by them; the a
posteriori is that which grows up around the more general principles and
becomes imperceptibly one with them. But Plato erroneously imagines that
the synthesis is separable from the analysis, and that the method of science
can anticipate science. In entertaining such a vision of a priori knowledge
he is sufficiently justified, or at least his meaning may be sufficiently
explained by the similar attempts of Descartes, Kant, Hegel, and even of
Bacon himself, in modern philosophy. Anticipations or divinations, or
prophetic glimpses of truths whether concerning man or nature, seem to
stand in the same relation to ancient philosophy which hypotheses bear to
modern inductive science. These ‘guesses at truth’ were not made at
random; they arose from a superficial impression of uniformities and first
principles in nature which the genius of the Greek, contemplating the
expanse of heaven and earth, seemed to recognize in the distance. Nor can
we deny that in ancient times knowledge must have stood still, and the
human mind been deprived of the very instruments of thought, if
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xciv 2. Plato supposes that when the tablet has been made blank the artist
will fill in the lineaments of the ideal state. Is this a pattern laid up in
heaven, or mere vacancy on which he is supposed to gaze with wondering
eye? The answer is, that such ideals are framed partly by the omission of
particulars, partly by imagination perfecting the form which experience
supplies (Phaedo, 74). Plato represents these ideals in a figure as belonging
to another world; and in modern times the idea will sometimes seem to
precede, at other times to co-operate with the hand of the artist. As in
science, so also in creative art, there is a synthetical as well as an analytical
method. One man will have the whole in his mind before he begins; to
another the processes of mind and hand will be simultaneous.
3. There is no difficulty in seeing that Plato’s divisions of knowledge are
based, first, on the fundamental antithesis of sensible and intellectual which
pervades the whole pre-Socratic philosophy; in which is implied also the
opposition of the permanent and transient, of the universal and particular.
But the age of philosophy in which he lived seemed to require a further
distinction;—numbers and figures were beginning to separate from ideas.
The world could no longer regard justice as a cube, and was learning to see,
though imperfectly, that the abstractions of sense were distinct from the
abstractions of mind. Between the Eleatic being or essence and the shadows
of phenomena, the Pythagorean principle of number found a place, and was,
as Aristotle remarks, a conducting medium from one to the other. Hence
Plato is led to introduce a third term which had not hitherto entered into the
scheme of his philosophy. He had observed the use of mathematics in
education; they were the best preparation for higher studies. The subjective
relation between them further suggested an objective one; although the
passage from one to the other is really imaginary (Metaph. 1, 6, 4). For
metaphysical and moral philosophy has no connexion with mathematics;
number and figure are the abstractions of time and space, not the
expressions of purely intellectual conceptions. When divested of metaphor,
a straight line or a square has no more to do with right and justice than a
crooked line with vice. The figurative association was mistaken for a real
one; and thus the three latter divisions of the Platonic proportion were
constructed.
xcv There is more difficulty in comprehending how he arrived at the first
term of the series, which is nowhere else mentioned, and has no reference to
any other part of his system. Nor indeed does the relation of shadows to
objects correspond to the relation of numbers to ideas. Probably Plato has
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instead of three, although the objects perceived in both divisions of the
lower sphere are equally objects of sense. He is also preparing the way, as
his manner is, for the shadows of images at the beginning of the seventh
book, and the imitation of an imitation in the tenth. The line may be
regarded as reaching from unity to infinity, and is divided into two unequal
parts, and subdivided into two more; each lower sphere is the multiplication
of the preceding. Of the four faculties, faith in the lower division has an
intermediate position (cp. for the use of the word faith or belief, πίστις,
Timaeus, 29 C, 37 B), contrasting equally with the vagueness of the
perception of shadows (εἰκασία) and the higher certainty of understanding
(διάνοια) and reason (νοῦς).
The difference between understanding and mind or reason (νοῦς) is
analogous to the difference between acquiring knowledge in the parts and
the contemplation of the whole. True knowledge is a whole, and is at rest;
consistency and universality are the tests of truth. To this self-evidencing
knowledge of the whole the faculty of mind is supposed to correspond. But
there is a knowledge of the understanding which is incomplete and in
motion always, because unable to rest in the subordinate ideas. Those ideas
are called both images and hypotheses—images because they are clothed in
sense, hypotheses because they are assumptions only, until they are brought
into connexion with the idea of good.
The general meaning of the passage 508–511, so far as the thought
contained in it admits of being translated into the terms of modern
philosophy, may be described or explained as follows:—There is a truth,
one and self-existent, to which by the help of a ladder let down from above,
the human intelligence may ascend. This unity is like the sun in the
heavens, the light by which all things are seen, the being by which they are
created and sustained. It is the idea of good. And the steps of the ladder
leading up to this highest or universal existence are the mathematical xcvi
sciences, which also contain in themselves an element of the universal.
These, too, we see in a new manner when we connect them with the idea of
good. They then cease to be hypotheses or pictures, and become essential
parts of a higher truth which is at once their first principle and their final
cause.
We cannot give any more precise meaning to this remarkable passage,
but we may trace in it several rudiments or vestiges of thought which are
common to us and to Plato: such as (1) the unity and correlation of the
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or distinguished; (2) the existence of a Divine Power, or life or idea or cause
or reason, not yet conceived or no longer conceived as in the Timaeus and
elsewhere under the form of a person; (3) the recognition of the
hypothetical and conditional character of the mathematical sciences, and in
a measure of every science when isolated from the rest; (4) the conviction
of a truth which is invisible, and of a law, though hardly a law of nature,
which permeates the intellectual rather than the visible world.
The method of Socrates is hesitating and tentative, awaiting the fuller
explanation of the idea of good, and of the nature of dialectic in the seventh
book. The imperfect intelligence of Glaucon, and the reluctance of Socrates
to make a beginning, mark the difficulty of the subject. The allusion to
Theages’ bridle, and to the internal oracle, or demonic sign, of Socrates,
which here, as always in Plato, is only prohibitory; the remark that the
salvation of any remnant of good in the present evil state of the world is due
to God only; the reference to a future state of existence, 498 D, which is
unknown to Glaucon in the tenth book, 608 D, and in which the discussions
of Socrates and his disciples would be resumed; the surprise in the answers
at 487 E and 497 B; the fanciful irony of Socrates, where he pretends that
he can only describe the strange position of the philosopher in a figure of
speech; the original observation that the Sophists, after all, are only the
representatives and not the leaders of public opinion; the picture of the
philosopher standing aside in the shower of sleet under a wall; the figure of
‘the great beast’ followed by the expression of good-will towards the
common people who would not have rejected the philosopher if they had
known him; the ‘right noble thought’ that the highest xcvii truths demand the
greatest exactness; the hesitation of Socrates in returning once more to his
well-worn theme of the idea of good; the ludicrous earnestness of Glaucon;
the comparison of philosophy to a deserted maiden who marries beneath her
—are some of the most interesting characteristics of the sixth book.
Yet a few more words may be added, on the old theme, which was so oft
discussed in the Socratic circle, of which we, like Glaucon and Adeimantus,
would fain, if possible, have a clearer notion. Like them, we are dissatisfied
when we are told that the idea of good can only be revealed to a student of
the mathematical sciences, and we are inclined to think that neither we nor
they could have been led along that path to any satisfactory goal. For we
have learned that differences of quantity cannot pass into differences of
quality, and that the mathematical sciences can never rise above themselves
into the sphere of our higher thoughts, although they may sometimes
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of abstraction and self-concentration. The illusion which was natural to an
ancient philosopher has ceased to be an illusion to us. But if the process by
which we are supposed to arrive at the idea of good be really imaginary,
may not the idea itself be also a mere abstraction? We remark, first, that in
all ages, and especially in primitive philosophy, words such as being,
essence, unity, good, have exerted an extraordinary influence over the
minds of men. The meagreness or negativeness of their content has been in
an inverse ratio to their power. They have become the forms under which all
things were comprehended. There was a need or instinct in the human soul
which they satisfied; they were not ideas, but gods, and to this new
mythology the men of a later generation began to attach the powers and
associations of the elder deities.
The idea of good is one of those sacred words or forms of thought, which
were beginning to take the place of the old mythology. It meant unity, in
which all time and all existence were gathered up. It was the truth of all
things, and also the light in which they shone forth, and became evident to
intelligences human and divine. It was the cause of all things, the power by
which they were brought into being. It was the universal reason divested of
a human personality. It was the life as well as the xcviii light of the world, all
knowledge and all power were comprehended in it. The way to it was
through the mathematical sciences, and these too were dependent on it. To
ask whether God was the maker of it, or made by it, would be like asking
whether God could be conceived apart from goodness, or goodness apart
from God. The God of the Timaeus is not really at variance with the idea of
good; they are aspects of the same, differing only as the personal from the
impersonal, or the masculine from the neuter, the one being the expression
or language of mythology, the other of philosophy.
This, or something like this, is the meaning of the idea of good as
conceived by Plato. Ideas of number, order, harmony, development may
also be said to enter into it. The paraphrase which has just been given of it
goes beyond the actual words of Plato. We have perhaps arrived at the stage
of philosophy which enables us to understand what he is aiming at, better
than he did himself. We are beginning to realize what he saw darkly and at a
distance. But if he could have been told that this, or some conception of the
same kind, but higher than this, was the truth at which he was aiming, and
the need which he sought to supply, he would gladly have recognized that
more was contained in his own thoughts than he himself knew. As his words
are few and his manner reticent and tentative, so must the style of his
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attempting to define it further. In translating him into the language of
modern thought, we might insensibly lose the spirit of ancient philosophy. It
is remarkable that although Plato speaks of the idea of good as the first
principle of truth and being, it is nowhere mentioned in his writings except
in this passage. Nor did it retain any hold upon the minds of his disciples in
a later generation; it was probably unintelligible to them. Nor does the
mention of it in Aristotle appear to have any reference to this or any other
passage in his extant writings.

Republic VII.
ANALYSIS. BOOK VII. 514 And now I will describe in a figure the
enlightenment or unenlightenment of our nature:—Imagine human beings
living in an underground den which is open towards the light; they have
been there from childhood, having their necks and legs chained, and can
only see into the den. xcix At a distance there is a fire, and between the fire
and the prisoners a raised way, and a low wall is built along the way, like
the screen over which marionette players show their puppets. 515 Behind
the wall appear moving figures, who hold in their hands various works of
art, and among them images of men and animals, wood and stone, and some
of the passers-by are talking and others silent. ‘A strange parable,’ he said,
‘and strange captives.’ They are ourselves, I replied; and they see only the
shadows of the images which the fire throws on the wall of the den; to these
they give names, and if we add an echo which returns from the wall, the
voices of the passengers will seem to proceed from the shadows. Suppose
now that you suddenly turn them round and make them look with pain and
grief to themselves at the real images; will they believe them to be real?
Will not their eyes be dazzled, and will they not try to get away from the
light to something which they are able to behold without blinking? 516 And
suppose further, that they are dragged up a steep and rugged ascent into the
presence of the sun himself, will not their sight be darkened with the excess
of light? Some time will pass before they get the habit of perceiving at all;
and at first they will be able to perceive only shadows and reflections in the
water; then they will recognize the moon and the stars, and will at length
behold the sun in his own proper place as he is. Last of all they will
conclude:—This is he who gives us the year and the seasons, and is the
author of all that we see. How will they rejoice in passing from darkness to
light! How worthless to them will seem the honours and glories of the den!
But now imagine further, that they descend into their old habitations;—in
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517 and will not be able to compete with them in the measurement of the
shadows on the wall; there will be many jokes about the man who went on a
visit to the sun and lost his eyes, and if they find anybody trying to set free
and enlighten one of their number, they will put him to death, if they can
catch him. Now the cave or den is the world of sight, the fire is the sun, the
way upwards is the way to knowledge, and in the world of knowledge the
idea of good is last seen and with difficulty, but when seen is inferred to be
the author of good and right—parent of the lord of light in this world, and
of truth and understanding in the other. c He who attains to the beatific
vision is always going upwards; he is unwilling to descend into political
assemblies and courts of law; for his eyes are apt to blink at the images or
shadows of images which they behold in them—he cannot enter into the
ideas of those who have never in their lives understood the relation of the
shadow to the substance. 518 But blindness is of two kinds, and may be
caused either by passing out of darkness into light or out of light into
darkness, and a man of sense will distinguish between them, and will not
laugh equally at both of them, but the blindness which arises from fulness
of light he will deem blessed, and pity the other; or if he laugh at the
puzzled soul looking at the sun, he will have more reason to laugh than the
inhabitants of the den at those who descend from above. There is a further
lesson taught by this parable of ours. Some persons fancy that instruction is
like giving eyes to the blind, but we say that the faculty of sight was always
there, and that the soul only requires to be turned round towards the light.
And this is conversion; other virtues are almost like bodily habits, and may
be acquired in the same manner, but intelligence has a diviner life, and is
indestructible, turning either to good or evil according to the direction
given. 519 Did you never observe how the mind of a clever rogue peers out
of his eyes, and the more clearly he sees, the more evil he does? Now if you
take such an one, and cut away from him those leaden weights of pleasure
and desire which bind his soul to earth, his intelligence will be turned
round, and he will behold the truth as clearly as he now discerns his meaner
ends. And have we not decided that our rulers must neither be so
uneducated as to have no fixed rule of life, nor so over-educated as to be
unwilling to leave their paradise for the business of the world? We must
choose out therefore the natures who are most likely to ascend to the light
and knowledge of the good; but we must not allow them to remain in the
region of light; they must be forced down again among the captives in the
den to partake of their labours and honours. ‘Will they not think this a
hardship?’ You should remember that our purpose in framing the State was
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State for the common good of all. 520 May we not fairly say to our
philosopher,—Friend, we do you no wrong; for in other ci States philosophy
grows wild, and a wild plant owes nothing to the gardener, but you have
been trained by us to be the rulers and kings of our hive, and therefore we
must insist on your descending into the den. You must, each of you, take
your turn, and become able to use your eyes in the dark, and with a little
practice you will see far better than those who quarrel about the shadows,
whose knowledge is a dream only, whilst yours is a waking reality. It may
be that the saint or philosopher who is best fitted, may also be the least
inclined to rule, but necessity is laid upon him, and he must no longer live
in the heaven of ideas. 521 And this will be the salvation of the State. For
those who rule must not be those who are desirous to rule; and, if you can
offer to our citizens a better life than that of rulers generally is, there will be
a chance that the rich, not only in this world’s goods, but in virtue and
wisdom, may bear rule. And the only life which is better than the life of
political ambition is that of philosophy, which is also the best preparation
for the government of a State.
Then now comes the question,—How shall we create our rulers; what
way is there from darkness to light? The change is effected by philosophy;
it is not the turning over of an oyster-shell, but the conversion of a soul
from night to day, from becoming to being. And what training will draw the
soul upwards? Our former education had two branches, gymnastic, which
was occupied with the body, and music, the sister art, which infused 522 a
natural harmony into mind and literature; but neither of these sciences gave
any promise of doing what we want. Nothing remains to us but that
universal or primary science of which all the arts and sciences are partakers,
I mean number or calculation. ‘Very true.’ Including the art of war? ‘Yes,
certainly.’ Then there is something ludicrous about Palamedes in the
tragedy, coming in and saying that he had invented number, and had
counted the ranks and set them in order. For if Agamemnon could not count
his feet (and without number how could he?) he must have been a pretty
sort of general indeed. No man should be a soldier who cannot count, and
indeed he is hardly to be called a man. But I am not speaking of these
practical applications of arithmetic, 523 for number, in my view, is rather to
be regarded as a conductor to thought and being. I will explain cii what I
mean by the last expression:—Things sensible are of two kinds; the one
class invite or stimulate the mind, while in the other the mind acquiesces.
Now the stimulating class are the things which suggest contrast and
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fore finger, a middle finger, a little finger—the sight equally recognizes all
three fingers, but without number cannot further distinguish them. Or again,
suppose two objects to be relatively great and small, these ideas of
greatness and smallness are supplied not by the sense, but by the mind.
524 And the perception of their contrast or relation quickens and sets in
motion the mind, which is puzzled by the confused intimations of sense,
and has recourse to number in order to find out whether the things indicated
are one or more than one. Number replies that they are two and not one, and
are to be distinguished from one another. Again, the sight beholds great and
small, but only in a confused chaos, and not until they are distinguished
does the question arise of their respective natures; we are thus led on to the
distinction between the visible and intelligible. That was what I meant when
I spoke of stimulants to the intellect; I was thinking of the contradictions
which arise in perception. The idea of unity, for example, like that of a
finger, does not arouse thought unless involving some conception of
plurality; 525 but when the one is also the opposite of one, the
contradiction gives rise to reflection; an example of this is afforded by any
object of sight. All number has also an elevating effect; it raises the mind
out of the foam and flux of generation to the contemplation of being, having
lesser military and retail uses also. The retail use is not required by us; but
as our guardian is to be a soldier as well as a philosopher, the military one
may be retained. And to our higher purpose no science can be better
adapted; but it must be pursued in the spirit of a philosopher, not of a
shopkeeper. It is concerned, not with visible objects, but with abstract truth;
for numbers are pure abstractions—the true arithmetician indignantly denies
that his unit is capable of division. 526 When you divide, he insists that you
are only multiplying; his ‘one’ is not material or resolvable into fractions,
but an unvarying and absolute equality; and this proves the purely
intellectual character of his study. Note also the great power which
arithmetic has of sharpening the wits; no other discipline is equally ciii
severe, or an equal test of general ability, or equally improving to a stupid
person.
Let our second branch of education be geometry. ‘I can easily see,’
replied Glaucon, ‘that the skill of the general will be doubled by his
knowledge of geometry.’ That is a small matter; the use of geometry, to
which I refer, is the assistance given by it in the contemplation of the idea
of good, and the compelling the mind to look at true being, and not at
generation only. Yet the present mode of pursuing these studies, as any one
who is the least of a mathematician is aware, is mean and ridiculous; they
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existence. 527 The geometer is always talking of squaring, subtending,
apposing, as if he had in view action; whereas knowledge is the real object
of the study. It should elevate the soul, and create the mind of philosophy; it
should raise up what has fallen down, not to speak of lesser uses in war and
military tactics, and in the improvement of the faculties.
Shall we propose, as a third branch of our education, astronomy? ‘Very
good,’ replied Glaucon; ‘the knowledge of the heavens is necessary at once
for husbandry, navigation, military tactics.’ I like your way of giving useful
reasons for everything in order to make friends of the world. And there is a
difficulty in proving to mankind that education is not only useful
information but a purification of the eye of the soul, which is better than the
bodily eye, for by this alone is truth seen. 528 Now, will you appeal to
mankind in general or to the philosopher? or would you prefer to look to
yourself only? ‘Every man is his own best friend.’ Then take a step
backward, for we are out of order, and insert the third dimension which is of
solids, after the second which is of planes, and then you may proceed to
solids in motion. But solid geometry is not popular and has not the
patronage of the State, nor is the use of it fully recognized; the difficulty is
great, and the votaries of the study are conceited and impatient. Still the
charm of the pursuit wins upon men, and, if government would lend a little
assistance, there might be great progress made. ‘Very true,’ replied Glaucon;
‘but do I understand you now to begin with plane geometry, and to place
next geometry of solids, and thirdly, astronomy, or the motion of solids?’
Yes, I said; my hastiness has only hindered us.
civ ‘Very good, and now let us proceed to astronomy, about which I am
willing to speak in your lofty strain. 529 No one can fail to see that the
contemplation of the heavens draws the soul upwards.’ I am an exception,
then; astronomy as studied at present appears to me to draw the soul not
upwards, but downwards. Star-gazing is just looking up at the ceiling—no
better; a man may lie on his back on land or on water—he may look up or
look down, but there is no science in that. The vision of knowledge of
which I speak is seen not with the eyes, but with the mind. All the
magnificence of the heavens is but the embroidery of a copy which falls far
short of the divine Original, and teaches nothing about the absolute
harmonies or motions of things. Their beauty is like the beauty of figures
drawn by the hand of Daedalus or any other great artist, which may be used
for illustration, 530 but no mathematician would seek to obtain from them
true conceptions of equality or numerical relations. How ridiculous then to
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matter comes in everywhere as a disturbing element, marring the symmetry
of day and night, of months and years, of the sun and stars in their courses.
Only by problems can we place astronomy on a truly scientific basis. Let
the heavens alone, and exert the intellect.
Still, mathematics admit of other applications, as the Pythagoreans say,
and we agree. There is a sister science of harmonical motion, adapted to the
ear as astronomy is to the eye, and there may be other applications also. Let
us inquire of the Pythagoreans about them, not forgetting that we have an
aim higher than theirs, which is the relation of these sciences to the idea of
good. The error which pervades astronomy also pervades harmonics.
531 The musicians put their ears in the place of their minds. ‘Yes,’ replied
Glaucon, ‘I like to see them laying their ears alongside of their neighbours’
faces—some saying, “That’s a new note,” others declaring that the two
notes are the same.’ Yes, I said; but you mean the empirics who are always
twisting and torturing the strings of the lyre, and quarrelling about the
tempers of the strings; I am referring rather to the Pythagorean harmonists,
who are almost equally in error. For they investigate only the numbers of
the consonances which are heard, and ascend no higher,—of the true
numerical harmony which is unheard, and is only to be found in problems,
they have not even a conception. cv ‘That last,’ he said, ‘must be a
marvellous thing.’ A thing, I replied, which is only useful if pursued with a
view to the good.
All these sciences are the prelude of the strain, and are profitable if they
are regarded in their natural relations to one another. ‘I dare say, Socrates,’
said Glaucon; ‘but such a study will be an endless business.’ What study do
you mean—of the prelude, or what? For all these things are only the
prelude, and you surely do not suppose that a mere mathematician is also a
dialectician? ‘Certainly not. 532 I have hardly ever known a mathematician
who could reason.’ And yet, Glaucon, is not true reasoning that hymn of
dialectic which is the music of the intellectual world, and which was by us
compared to the effort of sight, when from beholding the shadows on the
wall we arrived at last at the images which gave the shadows? Even so the
dialectical faculty withdrawing from sense arrives by the pure intellect at
the contemplation of the idea of good, and never rests but at the very end of
the intellectual world. And the royal road out of the cave into the light, and
the blinking of the eyes at the sun and turning to contemplate the shadows
of reality, not the shadows of an image only—this progress and gradual
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sciences, is the elevation of the soul to the contemplation of the highest
ideal of being.
‘So far, I agree with you. But now, leaving the prelude, let us proceed to
the hymn. What, then, is the nature of dialectic, and what are the paths
which lead thither?’ 533 Dear Glaucon, you cannot follow me here. There
can be no revelation of the absolute truth to one who has not been
disciplined in the previous sciences. But that there is a science of absolute
truth, which is attained in some way very different from those now
practised, I am confident. For all other arts or sciences are relative to human
needs and opinions; and the mathematical sciences are but a dream or
hypothesis of true being, and never analyse their own principles. Dialectic
alone rises to the principle which is above hypotheses, converting and
gently leading the eye of the soul out of the barbarous slough of ignorance
into the light of the upper world, with the help of the sciences which we
have been describing—sciences, as they are often termed, although they
require some other name, implying greater clearness than opinion and less
clearness than science, and this in our previous sketch cvi was
understanding. And so we get four names—two for intellect, and two for
opinion,—reason or mind, understanding, faith, perception of shadows—
which make a proportion 534 —being : becoming :: intellect : opinion—and
science : belief :: understanding : perception of shadows. Dialectic may be
further described as that science which defines and explains the essence or
being of each nature, which distinguishes and abstracts the good, and is
ready to do battle against all opponents in the cause of good. To him who is
not a dialectician life is but a sleepy dream; and many a man is in his grave
before his is well waked up. And would you have the future rulers of your
ideal State intelligent beings, or stupid as posts? ‘Certainly not the latter.’
Then you must train them in dialectic, which will teach them to ask and
answer questions, and is the coping-stone of the sciences.
535 I dare say that you have not forgotten how our rulers were chosen;
and the process of selection may be carried a step further:—As before, they
must be constant and valiant, good-looking, and of noble manners, but now
they must also have natural ability which education will improve; that is to
say, they must be quick at learning, capable of mental toil, retentive, solid,
diligent natures, who combine intellectual with moral virtues; not lame and
one-sided, diligent in bodily exercise and indolent in mind, or conversely;
not a maimed soul, which hates falsehood and yet 536 unintentionally is
always wallowing in the mire of ignorance; not a bastard or feeble person,
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trial of the mind. Justice herself can find no fault with natures such as these;
and they will be the saviours of our State; disciples of another sort would
only make philosophy more ridiculous than she is at present. Forgive my
enthusiasm; I am becoming excited; but when I see her trampled underfoot,
I am angry at the authors of her disgrace. ‘I did not notice that you were
more excited than you ought to have been.’ But I felt that I was. Now do not
let us forget another point in the selection of our disciples—that they must
be young and not old. For Solon is mistaken in saying that an old man can
be always learning; youth is the time of study, and here we must remember
that the mind is free and dainty, and, unlike the body, must not be made to
work against the grain. 537 Learning should be at first a sort of play, in
which the natural bent cvii is detected. As in training them for war, the
young dogs should at first only taste blood; but when the necessary
gymnastics are over which during two or three years divide life between
sleep and bodily exercise, then the education of the soul will become a more
serious matter. At twenty years of age, a selection must be made of the more
promising disciples, with whom a new epoch of education will begin. The
sciences which they have hitherto learned in fragments will now be brought
into relation with each other and with true being; for the power of
combining them is the test of speculative and dialectical ability. And
afterwards at thirty a further selection shall be made of those who are able
to withdraw from the world of sense into the abstraction of ideas. But at this
point, judging from present experience, there is a danger that dialectic may
be the source of many evils. The danger may be illustrated by a parallel
case:—Imagine a person who has been brought up in wealth and luxury
amid a crowd of flatterers, and who is suddenly informed that he is a
supposititious son. 538 He has hitherto honoured his reputed parents and
disregarded the flatterers, and now he does the reverse. This is just what
happens with a man’s principles. There are certain doctrines which he learnt
at home and which exercised a parental authority over him. Presently he
finds that imputations are cast upon them; a troublesome querist comes and
asks, ‘What is the just and good?’ or proves that virtue is vice and vice
virtue, and his mind becomes unsettled, and he ceases to love, honour, and
obey them as he has hitherto done. 539 He is seduced into the life of
pleasure, and becomes a lawless person and a rogue. The case of such
speculators is very pitiable, and, in order that our thirty years’ old pupils
may not require this pity, let us take every possible care that young persons
do not study philosophy too early. For a young man is a sort of puppy who
only plays with an argument; and is reasoned into and out of his opinions
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philosophy into discredit. A man of thirty does not run on in this way; he
will argue and not merely contradict, and adds new honour to philosophy by
the sobriety of his conduct. What time shall we allow for this second
gymnastic training of the soul?—say, twice the time required for the
gymnastics of the body; six, or perhaps five years, to commence at thirty,
and then for fifteen cviii years let the student go down into the den, and
command armies, and gain experience of life. 540 At fifty let him return to
the end of all things, and have his eyes uplifted to the idea of good, and
order his life after that pattern; if necessary, taking his turn at the helm of
State, and training up others to be his successors. When his time comes he
shall depart in peace to the islands of the blest. He shall be honoured with
sacrifices, and receive such worship as the Pythian oracle approves.
‘You are a statuary, Socrates, and have made a perfect image of our
governors.’ Yes, and of our governesses, for the women will share in all
things with the men. And you will admit that our State is not a mere
aspiration, but may really come into being when there shall arise
philosopher-kings, one or more, who will despise earthly vanities, and will
be the servants of justice only. ‘And how will they begin their work?’
541 Their first act will be to send away into the country all those who are
more than ten years of age, and to proceed with those who are left….

Republic VII.
INTRODUCTION. At the commencement of the sixth book, Plato anticipated his
explanation of the relation of the philosopher to the world in an allegory, in
this, as in other passages, following the order which he prescribes in
education, and proceeding from the concrete to the abstract. At the
commencement of Book VII, under the figure of a cave having an opening
towards a fire and a way upwards to the true light, he returns to view the
divisions of knowledge, exhibiting familiarly, as in a picture, the result
which had been hardly won by a great effort of thought in the previous
discussion; at the same time casting a glance onward at the dialectical
process, which is represented by the way leading from darkness to light.
The shadows, the images, the reflection of the sun and stars in the water, the
stars and sun themselves, severally correspond,—the first, to the realm of
fancy and poetry,—the second, to the world of sense,—the third, to the
abstractions or universals of sense, of which the mathematical sciences
furnish the type,—the fourth and last to the same abstractions, when seen in
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The true dialectical process begins with the contemplation of the real stars,
and not mere reflections of them, cix and ends with the recognition of the
sun, or idea of good, as the parent not only of light but of warmth and
growth. To the divisions of knowledge the stages of education partly
answer:—first, there is the early education of childhood and youth in the
fancies of the poets, and in the laws and customs of the State;—then there is
the training of the body to be a warrior athlete, and a good servant of the
mind;—and thirdly, after an interval follows the education of later life,
which begins with mathematics and proceeds to philosophy in general.
There seem to be two great aims in the philosophy of Plato,—first, to
realize abstractions; secondly, to connect them. According to him, the true
education is that which draws men from becoming to being, and to a
comprehensive survey of all being. He desires to develop in the human
mind the faculty of seeing the universal in all things; until at last the
particulars of sense drop away and the universal alone remains. He then
seeks to combine the universals which he has disengaged from sense, not
perceiving that the correlation of them has no other basis but the common
use of language. He never understands that abstractions, as Hegel says, are
‘mere abstractions’—of use when employed in the arrangement of facts, but
adding nothing to the sum of knowledge when pursued apart from them, or
with reference to an imaginary idea of good. Still the exercise of the faculty
of abstraction apart from facts has enlarged the mind, and played a great
part in the education of the human race. Plato appreciated the value of this
faculty, and saw that it might be quickened by the study of number and
relation. All things in which there is opposition or proportion are suggestive
of reflection. The mere impression of sense evokes no power of thought or
of mind, but when sensible objects ask to be compared and distinguished,
then philosophy begins. The science of arithmetic first suggests such
distinctions. There follow in order the other sciences of plain and solid
geometry, and of solids in motion, one branch of which is astronomy or the
harmony of the spheres,—to this is appended the sister science of the
harmony of sounds. Plato seems also to hint at the possibility of other
applications of arithmetical or mathematical proportions, such as we
employ in chemistry and natural philosophy, such as the Pythagoreans and
even Aristotle make use of in Ethics cx and Politics, e.g. his distinction
between arithmetical and geometrical proportion in the Ethics (Book V), or
between numerical and proportional equality in the Politics (iii. 8, iv. 12,
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The modern mathematician will readily sympathise with Plato’s delight
in the properties of pure mathematics. He will not be disinclined to say with
him:—Let alone the heavens, and study the beauties of number and figure
in themselves. He too will be apt to depreciate their application to the arts.
He will observe that Plato has a conception of geometry, in which figures
are to be dispensed with; thus in a distant and shadowy way seeming to
anticipate the possibility of working geometrical problems by a more
general mode of analysis. He will remark with interest on the backward
state of solid geometry, which, alas! was not encouraged by the aid of the
State in the age of Plato; and he will recognize the grasp of Plato’s mind in
his ability to conceive of one science of solids in motion including the earth
as well as the heavens,—not forgetting to notice the intimation to which
allusion has been already made, that besides astronomy and harmonics the
science of solids in motion may have other applications. Still more will he
be struck with the comprehensiveness of view which led Plato, at a time
when these sciences hardly existed, to say that they must be studied in
relation to one another, and to the idea of good, or common principle of
truth and being. But he will also see (and perhaps without surprise) that in
that stage of physical and mathematical knowledge, Plato has fallen into the
error of supposing that he can construct the heavens a priori by
mathematical problems, and determine the principles of harmony
irrespective of the adaptation of sounds to the human ear. The illusion was a
natural one in that age and country. The simplicity and certainty of
astronomy and harmonics seemed to contrast with the variation and
complexity of the world of sense; hence the circumstance that there was
some elementary basis of fact, some measurement of distance or time or
vibrations on which they must ultimately rest, was overlooked by him. The
modern predecessors of Newton fell into errors equally great; and Plato can
hardly be said to have been very far wrong, or may even claim a sort of
prophetic insight into the subject, when we consider that the greater part of
astronomy at the present day consists of abstract dynamics, cxi by the help
of which most astronomical discoveries have been made.
The metaphysical philosopher from his point of view recognizes
mathematics as an instrument of education,—which strengthens the power
of attention, developes the sense of order and the faculty of construction,
and enables the mind to grasp under simple formulae the quantitative
differences of physical phenomena. But while acknowledging their value in
education, he sees also that they have no connexion with our higher moral
and intellectual ideas. In the attempt which Plato makes to connect them,
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reason to suppose that he is speaking of the ideal numbers at p. 525 E; but
he is describing numbers which are pure abstractions, to which he assigns a
real and separate existence, which, as ‘the teachers of the art’ (meaning
probably the Pythagoreans) would have affirmed, repel all attempts at
subdivision, and in which unity and every other number are conceived of as
absolute. The truth and certainty of numbers, when thus disengaged from
phenomena, gave them a kind of sacredness in the eyes of an ancient
philosopher. Nor is it easy to say how far ideas of order and fixedness may
have had a moral and elevating influence on the minds of men, ‘who,’ in the
words of the Timaeus, ‘might learn to regulate their erring lives according
to them’ (47 C). It is worthy of remark that the old Pythagorean ethical
symbols still exist as figures of speech among ourselves. And those who in
modern times see the world pervaded by universal law, may also see an
anticipation of this last word of modern philosophy in the Platonic idea of
good, which is the source and measure of all things, and yet only an
abstraction. (Cp. Philebus sub fin.).
Two passages seem to require more particular explanations. First, that
which relates to the analysis of vision. The difficulty in this passage may be
explained, like many others, from differences in the modes of conception
prevailing among ancient and modern thinkers. To us, the perceptions of
sense are inseparable from the act of the mind which accompanies them.
The consciousness of form, colour, distance, is indistinguishable from the
simple sensation, which is the medium of them. Whereas to Plato sense is
the Heraclitean flux of sense, not cxii the vision of objects in the order in
which they actually present themselves to the experienced sight, but as they
may be imagined to appear confused and blurred to the half-awakened eye
of the infant. The first action of the mind is aroused by the attempt to set in
order this chaos, and the reason is required to frame distinct conceptions
under which the confused impressions of sense may be arranged. Hence
arises the question, ‘What is great, what is small?’ and thus begins the
distinction of the visible and the intelligible.
The second difficulty relates to Plato’s conception of harmonics. Three
classes of harmonists are distinguished by him:—first, the Pythagoreans,
whom he proposes to consult as in the previous discussion on music he was
to consult Damon—they are acknowledged to be masters in the art, but are
altogether deficient in the knowledge of its higher import and relation to the
good; secondly, the mere empirics, whom Glaucon appears to confuse with
them, and whom both he and Socrates ludicrously describe as
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these fall short in different degrees of the Platonic idea of harmony, which
must be studied in a purely abstract way, first by the method of problems,
and secondly as a part of universal knowledge in relation to the idea of
good.
The allegory has a political as well as a philosophical meaning. The den
or cave represents the narrow sphere of politics or law (cp. the description
of the philosopher and lawyer in the Theaetetus, 172–176), and the light of
the eternal ideas is supposed to exercise a disturbing influence on the minds
of those who return to this lower world. In other words, their principles are
too wide for practical application; they are looking far away into the past
and future, when their business is with the present. The ideal is not easily
reduced to the conditions of actual life, and may often be at variance with
them. And at first, those who return are unable to compete with the
inhabitants of the den in the measurement of the shadows, and are derided
and persecuted by them; but after a while they see the things below in far
truer proportions than those who have never ascended into the upper world.
The difference between the politician turned into a philosopher and the
philosopher turned into a politician, is symbolized by the two kinds of
disordered eyesight, cxiii the one which is experienced by the captive who is
transferred from darkness to day, the other, of the heavenly messenger who
voluntarily for the good of his fellow-men descends into the den. In what
way the brighter light is to dawn on the inhabitants of the lower world, or
how the idea of good is to become the guiding principle of politics, is left
unexplained by Plato. Like the nature and divisions of dialectic, of which
Glaucon impatiently demands to be informed, perhaps he would have said
that the explanation could not be given except to a disciple of the previous
sciences. (Compare Symposium 210 A.)
Many illustrations of this part of the Republic may be found in modern
Politics and in daily life. For among ourselves, too, there have been two
sorts of Politicians or Statesmen, whose eyesight has become disordered in
two different ways. First, there have been great men who, in the language of
Burke, ‘have been too much given to general maxims,’ who, like J. S. Mill
or Burke himself, have been theorists or philosophers before they were
politicians, or who, having been students of history, have allowed some
great historical parallel, such as the English Revolution of 1688, or possibly
Athenian democracy or Roman Imperialism, to be the medium through
which they viewed contemporary events. Or perhaps the long projecting
shadow of some existing institution may have darkened their vision. The
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future, have so absorbed their minds, that they are unable to see in their true
proportions the Politics of to-day. They have been intoxicated with great
ideas, such as liberty, or equality, or the greatest happiness of the greatest
number, or the brotherhood of humanity, and they no longer care to consider
how these ideas must be limited in practice or harmonized with the
conditions of human life. They are full of light, but the light to them has
become only a sort of luminous mist or blindness. Almost every one has
known some enthusiastic half-educated person, who sees everything at false
distances, and in erroneous proportions.
With this disorder of eyesight may be contrasted another—of those who
see not far into the distance, but what is near only; who have been engaged
all their lives in a trade or a profession; who are limited to a set or sect of
their own. Men of this kind cxiv have no universal except their own interests
or the interests of their class, no principle but the opinion of persons like
themselves, no knowledge of affairs beyond what they pick up in the streets
or at their club. Suppose them to be sent into a larger world, to undertake
some higher calling, from being tradesmen to turn generals or politicians,
from being schoolmasters to become philosophers:—or imagine them on a
sudden to receive an inward light which reveals to them for the first time in
their lives a higher idea of God and the existence of a spiritual world, by
this sudden conversion or change is not their daily life likely to be upset;
and on the other hand will not many of their old prejudices and
narrownesses still adhere to them long after they have begun to take a more
comprehensive view of human things? From familiar examples like these
we may learn what Plato meant by the eyesight which is liable to two kinds
of disorders.
Nor have we any difficulty in drawing a parallel between the young
Athenian in the fifth century before Christ who became unsettled by new
ideas, and the student of a modern University who has been the subject of a
similar ‘aufklärung.’ We too observe that when young men begin to criticise
customary beliefs, or to analyse the constitution of human nature, they are
apt to lose hold of solid principle (ἅπαν τὸ βέβαιον αὐτῶν ἐξοίχεται). They
are like trees which have been frequently transplanted. The earth about
them is loose, and they have no roots reaching far into the soil. They ‘light
upon every flower,’ following their own wayward wills, or because the
wind blows them. They catch opinions, as diseases are caught—when they
are in the air. Borne hither and thither, ‘they speedily fall into beliefs’ the
opposite of those in which they were brought up. They hardly retain the
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another. They suppose themselves to be searching after truth when they are
playing the game of ‘follow my leader.’ They fall in love ‘at first sight’ with
paradoxes respecting morality, some fancy about art, some novelty or
eccentricity in religion, and like lovers they are so absorbed for a time in
their new notion that they can think of nothing else. The resolution of some
philosophical or theological question seems to them more interesting and
important than any substantial knowledge of cxv literature or science or even
than a good life. Like the youth in the Philebus, they are ready to discourse
to any one about a new philosophy. They are generally the disciples of some
eminent professor or sophist, whom they rather imitate than understand.
They may be counted happy if in later years they retain some of the simple
truths which they acquired in early education, and which they may, perhaps,
find to be worth all the rest. Such is the picture which Plato draws and
which we only reproduce, partly in his own words, of the dangers which
beset youth in times of transition, when old opinions are fading away and
the new are not yet firmly established. Their condition is ingeniously
compared by him to that of a supposititious son, who has made the
discovery that his reputed parents are not his real ones, and, in consequence,
they have lost their authority over him.
The distinction between the mathematician and the dialectician is also
noticeable. Plato is very well aware that the faculty of the mathematician is
quite distinct from the higher philosophical sense which recognizes and
combines first principles (531 E). The contempt which he expresses at p.
533 for distinctions of words, the danger of involuntary falsehood, the
apology which Socrates makes for his earnestness of speech, are highly
characteristic of the Platonic style and mode of thought. The quaint notion
that if Palamedes was the inventor of number Agamemnon could not have
counted his feet; the art by which we are made to believe that this State of
ours is not a dream only; the gravity with which the first step is taken in the
actual creation of the State, namely, the sending out of the city all who had
arrived at ten years of age, in order to expedite the business of education by
a generation, are also truly Platonic. (For the last, compare the passage at
the end of the third book (415 D), in which he expects the lie about the
earthborn men to be believed in the second generation.)

Republic VIII.
BOOK VIII. 543 And so we have arrived at the conclusion, that
ANALYSIS.
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education and pursuits of men and women, both in war and peace, are to be
common, and kings are to be philosophers and warriors, and the soldiers of
the State are to live together, cxvi having all things in common; and they are
to be warrior athletes, receiving no pay but only their food, from the other
citizens. Now let us return to the point at which we digressed. ‘That is
easily done,’ he replied: ‘You were speaking of the State which you had
constructed, and of the individual who answered to this, both of whom you
affirmed to be good; 544 and you said that of inferior States there were four
forms and four individuals corresponding to them, which although deficient
in various degrees, were all of them worth inspecting with a view to
determining the relative happiness or misery of the best or worst man. Then
Polemarchus and Adeimantus interrupted you, and this led to another
argument,—and so here we are.’ Suppose that we put ourselves again in the
same position, and do you repeat your question. ‘I should like to know of
what constitutions you were speaking?’ Besides the perfect State there are
only four of any note in Hellas:—first, the famous Lacedaemonian or
Cretan commonwealth; secondly, oligarchy, a State full of evils; thirdly,
democracy, which follows next in order; fourthly, tyranny, which is the
disease or death of all government. Now, States are not made of ‘oak and
rock,’ but of flesh and blood; and therefore as there are five States there
must be five human natures in individuals, which correspond to them. And
first, there is the ambitious nature, 545 which answers to the
Lacedaemonian State; secondly, the oligarchical nature; thirdly, the
democratical; and fourthly, the tyrannical. This last will have to be
compared with the perfectly just, which is the fifth, that we may know
which is the happier, and then we shall be able to determine whether the
argument of Thrasymachus or our own is the more convincing. And as
before we began with the State and went on to the individual, so now,
beginning with timocracy, let us go on to the timocratical man, and then
proceed to the other forms of government, and the individuals who answer
to them.
But how did timocracy arise out of the perfect State? Plainly, like all
changes of government, from division in the rulers. But whence came
division? ‘Sing, heavenly Muses,’ as Homer says;—let them condescend to
answer us, as if we were children, to whom they put on a solemn face in
jest. ‘And what will they say?’ 546 They will say that human things are
fated to decay, and even the perfect State will not escape from this law of
destiny, cxvii when ‘the wheel comes full circle’ in a period short or long.
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of rulers because alloyed by sense will not enable them to ascertain, and
children will be born out of season. For whereas divine creations are in a
perfect cycle or number, the human creation is in a number which declines
from perfection, and has four terms and three intervals of numbers,
increasing, waning, assimilating, dissimilating, and yet perfectly
commensurate with each other. The base of the number with a fourth added
(or which is 3 : 4), multiplied by five and cubed, gives two harmonies:—the
first a square number, which is a hundred times the base (or a hundred times
a hundred); the second, an oblong, being a hundred squares of the rational
diameter of a figure the side of which is five, subtracting one from each
square or two perfect squares from all, and adding a hundred cubes of three.
This entire number is geometrical and contains the rule or law of
generation. When this law is neglected marriages will be unpropitious; the
inferior offspring who are then born will in time become the rulers; the
State will decline, and education fall into decay; gymnastic will be preferred
to music, and the gold and silver and brass and iron will form a chaotic
mass— 547 thus division will arise. Such is the Muses’ answer to our
question. ‘And a true answer, of course:—but what more have they to say?’
They say that the two races, the iron and brass, and the silver and gold, will
draw the State different ways;—the one will take to trade and
moneymaking, and the others, having the true riches and not caring for
money, will resist them: the contest will end in a compromise; they will
agree to have private property, and will enslave their fellow-citizens who
were once their friends and nurturers. But they will retain their warlike
character, and will be chiefly occupied in fighting and exercising rule. Thus
arises timocracy, which is intermediate between aristocracy and oligarchy.
The new form of government resembles the ideal in obedience to rulers
and contempt for trade, and having common meals, and in devotion to
warlike and gymnastic exercises. But corruption has crept into philosophy,
and simplicity of character, which was once her note, is now looked for
only in the military class. 548 Arts of war begin to prevail over arts of
peace; the ruler is no longer a cxviii philosopher; as in oligarchies, there
springs up among them an extravagant love of gain—get another man’s and
save your own, is their principle; and they have dark places in which they
hoard their gold and silver, for the use of their women and others; they take
their pleasures by stealth, like boys who are running away from their father
—the law; and their education is not inspired by the Muse, but imposed by
the strong arm of power. The leading characteristic of this State is party
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And what manner of man answers to such a State? ‘In love of
contention,’ replied Adeimantus, ‘he will be like our friend Glaucon.’ In that
respect, perhaps, but not in others. He is self-asserting and ill-educated,
549 yet fond of literature, although not himself a speaker,—fierce with
slaves, but obedient to rulers, a lover of power and honour, which he hopes
to gain by deeds of arms,—fond, too, of gymnastics and of hunting. As he
advances in years he grows avaricious, for he has lost philosophy, which is
the only saviour and guardian of men. His origin is as follows:—His father
is a good man dwelling in an ill-ordered State, who has retired from politics
in order that he may lead a quiet life. His mother is angry at her loss of
precedence among other women; she is disgusted at her husband’s
selfishness, and she expatiates to her son on the unmanliness and indolence
of his father. The old family servant takes up the tale, and says to the youth:
—‘When you grow up you must be more of a man than your father.’
550 All the world are agreed that he who minds his own business is an
idiot, while a busybody is highly honoured and esteemed. The young man
compares this spirit with his father’s words and ways, and as he is naturally
well disposed, although he has suffered from evil influences, he rests at a
middle point and becomes ambitious and a lover of honour.
And now let us set another city over against another man. The next form
of government is oligarchy, in which the rule is of the rich only; nor is it
difficult to see how such a State arises. The decline begins with the
possession of gold and silver; illegal modes of expenditure are invented;
one draws another on, and the multitude are infected; riches outweigh
virtue; 551 lovers of money take the place of lovers of honour; misers of
cxix politicians; and, in time, political privileges are confined by law to the
rich, who do not shrink from violence in order to effect their purposes.
Thus much of the origin,—let us next consider the evils of oligarchy.
Would a man who wanted to be safe on a voyage take a bad pilot because
he was rich, or refuse a good one because he was poor? And does not the
analogy apply still more to the State? And there are yet greater evils: two
nations are struggling together in one—the rich and the poor; and the rich
dare not put arms into the hands of the poor, and are unwilling to pay for
defenders out of their own money. And have we not already condemned that
State 552 in which the same persons are warriors as well as shopkeepers?
The greatest evil of all is that a man may sell his property and have no place
in the State; while there is one class which has enormous wealth, the other
is entirely destitute. But observe that these destitutes had not really any
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they are poor; they were miserable spendthrifts always. They are the drones
of the hive; only whereas the actual drone is unprovided by nature with a
sting, the two-legged things whom we call drones are some of them without
stings and some of them have dreadful stings; in other words, there are
paupers and there are rogues. These are never far apart; and in oligarchical
cities, where nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler, you will find
abundance of both. And this evil state of society originates in bad education
and bad government.
553 Like State, like man,—the change in the latter begins with the
representative of timocracy; he walks at first in the ways of his father, who
may have been a statesman, or general, perhaps; and presently he sees him
‘fallen from his high estate,’ the victim of informers, dying in prison or
exile, or by the hand of the executioner. The lesson which he thus receives,
makes him cautious; he leaves politics, represses his pride, and saves pence.
Avarice is enthroned as his bosom’s lord, and assumes the style of the Great
King; the rational and spirited elements sit humbly on the ground at either
side, the one immersed in calculation, the other absorbed in the admiration
of wealth. The love of honour turns to love of money; the conversion is
instantaneous. The cxx man is mean, saving, toiling, 554 the slave of one
passion which is the master of the rest: Is he not the very image of the
State? He has had no education, or he would never have allowed the blind
god of riches to lead the dance within him. And being uneducated he will
have many slavish desires, some beggarly, some knavish, breeding in his
soul. If he is the trustee of an orphan, and has the power to defraud, he will
soon prove that he is not without the will, and that his passions are only
restrained by fear and not by reason. Hence he leads a divided existence; in
which the better desires mostly prevail. 555 But when he is contending for
prizes and other distinctions, he is afraid to incur a loss which is to be
repaid only by barren honour; in time of war he fights with a small part of
his resources, and usually keeps his money and loses the victory.
Next comes democracy and the democratic man, out of oligarchy and the
oligarchical man. Insatiable avarice is the ruling passion of an oligarchy;
and they encourage expensive habits in order that they may gain by the ruin
of extravagant youth. Thus men of family often lose their property or rights
of citizenship; but they remain in the city, full of hatred against the new
owners of their estates and ripe for revolution. The usurer with stooping
walk pretends not to see them; he passes by, and leaves his sting—that is,
his money—in some other victim; and many a man has to pay the parent or
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state of dronage by him. The only way of diminishing the evil is either to
limit a man in his use of his property, or to insist that he shall lend at his
own risk. But the ruling class do not want remedies; they care only for
money, and are as careless of virtue as the poorest of the citizens. Now there
are occasions on which the governors and the governed meet together,—at
festivals, on a journey, voyaging or fighting. The sturdy pauper finds that in
the hour of danger he is not despised; he sees the rich man puffing and
panting, and draws the conclusion which he privately imparts to his
companions,—‘that our people are not good for much;’ and as a sickly
frame is made ill by a mere touch from without, or sometimes without
external impulse is ready to fall to pieces of itself, so from the least cause,
or with none at all, the city falls ill and fights a battle for life or death.
557 And democracy comes into cxxi power when the poor are the victors,
killing some and exiling some, and giving equal shares in the government to
all the rest.
The manner of life in such a State is that of democrats; there is freedom
and plainness of speech, and every man does what is right in his own eyes,
and has his own way of life. Hence arise the most various developments of
character; the State is like a piece of embroidery of which the colours and
figures are the manners of men, and there are many who, like women and
children, prefer this variety to real beauty and excellence. The State is not
one but many, like a bazaar at which you can buy anything. The great charm
is, that you may do as you like; you may govern if you like, let it alone if
you like; go to war and make peace if you feel disposed, 558 and all quite
irrespective of anybody else. When you condemn men to death they remain
alive all the same; a gentleman is desired to go into exile, and he stalks
about the streets like a hero; and nobody sees him or cares for him.
Observe, too, how grandly Democracy sets her foot upon all our fine
theories of education,—how little she cares for the training of her
statesmen! The only qualification which she demands is the profession of
patriotism. Such is democracy;—a pleasing, lawless, various sort of
government, distributing equality to equals and unequals alike.
Let us now inspect the individual democrat; and first, as in the case of the
State, we will trace his antecedents. He is the son of a miserly oligarch, and
has been taught by him to restrain the love of unnecessary pleasures.
Perhaps I ought to explain this latter term:— 559 Necessary pleasures are
those which are good, and which we cannot do without; unnecessary
pleasures are those which do no good, and of which the desire might be
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drinking are necessary and healthy, up to a certain point; beyond that point
they are alike hurtful to body and mind, and the excess may be avoided.
When in excess, they may be rightly called expensive pleasures, in
opposition to the useful ones. And the drone, as we called him, is the slave
of these unnecessary pleasures and desires, whereas the miserly oligarch is
subject only to the necessary.
The oligarch changes into the democrat in the following manner:—The
youth who has had a miserly bringing up, gets cxxii a taste of the drone’s
honey; he meets with wild companions, who introduce him to every new
pleasure. As in the State, so in the individual, there are allies on both sides,
temptations from without and passions from within; there is reason also and
external influences of parents and friends in alliance with the oligarchical
principle; 560 and the two factions are in violent conflict with one another.
Sometimes the party of order prevails, but then again new desires and new
disorders arise, and the whole mob of passions gets possession of the
Acropolis, that is to say, the soul, which they find void and unguarded by
true words and works. Falsehoods and illusions ascend to take their place;
the prodigal goes back into the country of the Lotophagi or drones, and
openly dwells there. And if any offer of alliance or parley of individual
elders comes from home, the false spirits shut the gates of the castle and
permit no one to enter,—there is a battle, and they gain the victory; and
straightway making alliance with the desires, they banish modesty, which
they call folly, and send temperance over the border. When the house has
been swept and garnished, they dress up the exiled vices, and, crowning
them with garlands, bring them back under new names. Insolence they call
good breeding, anarchy freedom, waste magnificence, impudence courage.
561 Such is the process by which the youth passes from the necessary
pleasures to the unnecessary. After a while he divides his time impartially
between them; and perhaps, when he gets older and the violence of passion
has abated, he restores some of the exiles and lives in a sort of equilibrium,
indulging first one pleasure and then another; and if reason comes and tells
him that some pleasures are good and honourable, and others bad and vile,
he shakes his head and says that he can make no distinction between them.
Thus he lives in the fancy of the hour; sometimes he takes to drink, and then
he turns abstainer; he practises in the gymnasium or he does nothing at all;
then again he would be a philosopher or a politician; or again, he would be
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‘Every thing by starts and nothing long.’

562 There remains still the finest and fairest of all men and all States—
tyranny and the tyrant. Tyranny springs from democracy much as
democracy springs from oligarchy. Both arise cxxiii from excess; the one
from excess of wealth, the other from excess of freedom. ‘The great natural
good of life,’ says the democrat, ‘is freedom.’ And this exclusive love of
freedom and regardlessness of everything else, is the cause of the change
from democracy to tyranny. The State demands the strong wine of freedom,
and unless her rulers give her a plentiful draught, punishes and insults them;
equality and fraternity of governors and governed is the approved principle.
Anarchy is the law, not of the State only, but of private houses, and extends
even to the animals. 563 Father and son, citizen and foreigner, teacher and
pupil, old and young, are all on a level; fathers and teachers fear their sons
and pupils, and the wisdom of the young man is a match for the elder, and
the old imitate the jaunty manners of the young because they are afraid of
being thought morose. Slaves are on a level with their masters and
mistresses, and there is no difference between men and women. Nay, the
very animals in a democratic State have a freedom which is unknown in
other places. The she-dogs are as good as their she-mistresses, and horses
and asses march along with dignity and run their noses against anybody
who comes in their way. ‘That has often been my experience.’ At last the
citizens become so sensitive that they cannot endure the yoke of laws,
written or unwritten; they would have no man call himself their master.
Such is the glorious beginning of things out of which tyranny springs.
‘Glorious, indeed; but what is to follow?’ The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin
of democracy; 564 for there is a law of contraries; the excess of freedom
passes into the excess of slavery, and the greater the freedom the greater the
slavery. You will remember that in the oligarchy were found two classes—
rogues and paupers, whom we compared to drones with and without stings.
These two classes are to the State what phlegm and bile are to the human
body; and the State-physician, or legislator, must get rid of them, just as the
bee-master keeps the drones out of the hive. Now in a democracy, too, there
are drones, but they are more numerous and more dangerous than in the
oligarchy; there they are inert and unpractised, here they are full of life and
animation; and the keener sort speak and act, while the others buzz about
the bema and prevent their opponents from being heard. And there is
another class in democratic States, cxxiv of respectable, thriving individuals,
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565 there is moreover a third class, who are the labourers and the artisans,
and they make up the mass of the people. When the people meet, they are
omnipotent, but they cannot be brought together unless they are attracted by
a little honey; and the rich are made to supply the honey, of which the
demagogues keep the greater part themselves, giving a taste only to the
mob. Their victims attempt to resist; they are driven mad by the stings of
the drones, and so become downright oligarchs in self-defence. Then follow
informations and convictions for treason. The people have some protector
whom they nurse into greatness, and from this root the tree of tyranny
springs. The nature of the change is indicated in the old fable of the temple
of Zeus Lycaeus, which tells how he who tastes human flesh mixed up with
the flesh of other victims will turn into a wolf. Even so the protector, who
tastes human blood, and slays some and exiles others with or without law,
who hints at abolition of debts and division of lands, 566 must either perish
or become a wolf—that is, a tyrant. Perhaps he is driven out, but he soon
comes back from exile; and then if his enemies cannot get rid of him by
lawful means, they plot his assassination. Thereupon the friend of the
people makes his well-known request to them for a body-guard, which they
readily grant, thinking only of his danger and not of their own. Now let the
rich man make to himself wings, for he will never run away again if he does
not do so then. And the Great Protector, having crushed all his rivals, stands
proudly erect in the chariot of State, a full-blown tyrant: Let us enquire into
the nature of his happiness.
In the early days of his tyranny he smiles and beams upon everybody; he
is not a ‘dominus,’ no, not he: he has only come to put an end to debt and
the monopoly of land. Having got rid of foreign enemies, 567 he makes
himself necessary to the State by always going to war. He is thus enabled to
depress the poor by heavy taxes, and so keep them at work; and he can get
rid of bolder spirits by handing them over to the enemy. Then comes
unpopularity; some of his old associates have the courage to oppose him.
The consequence is, that he has to make a purgation of the State; but, unlike
the physician who purges cxxv away the bad, he must get rid of the high-
spirited, the wise and the wealthy; for he has no choice between death and a
life of shame and dishonour. And the more hated he is, the more he will
require trusty guards; but how will he obtain them? ‘They will come
flocking like birds—for pay.’ Will he not rather obtain them on the spot? He
will take the slaves from their owners and make them his body-guard;
568 these are his trusted friends, who admire and look up to him. Are not
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wise by association with the wise? And are not their praises of tyranny
alone a sufficient reason why we should exclude them from our State? They
may go to other cities, and gather the mob about them with fine words, and
change commonwealths into tyrannies and democracies, receiving honours
and rewards for their services; but the higher they and their friends ascend
constitution hill, the more their honour will fail and become ‘too asthmatic
to mount.’ To return to the tyrant—How will he support that rare army of
his? First, by robbing the temples of their treasures, which will enable him
to lighten the taxes; then he will take all his father’s property, and spend it
on his companions, male or female. Now his father is the demus, and if the
demus gets angry, 569 and says that a great hulking son ought not to be a
burden on his parents, and bids him and his riotous crew begone, then will
the parent know what a monster he has been nurturing, and that the son
whom he would fain expel is too strong for him. ‘You do not mean to say
that he will beat his father?’ Yes, he will, after having taken away his arms.
‘Then he is a parricide and a cruel, unnatural son.’ And the people have
jumped from the fear of slavery into slavery, out of the smoke into the fire.
Thus liberty, when out of all order and reason, passes into the worst form of
servitude….

Republic VIII.
INTRODUCTION. In the previous books Plato has described the ideal State; now
he returns to the perverted or declining forms, on which he had lightly
touched at the end of Book iv. These he describes in a succession of
parallels between the individuals and the States, tracing the origin of either
in the State or individual which has preceded them. He begins by asking the
point at which he digressed; and is thus led shortly to recapitulate the
substance cxxvi of the three former books, which also contain a parallel of
the philosopher and the State.
Of the first decline he gives no intelligible account; he would not have
liked to admit the most probable causes of the fall of his ideal State, which
to us would appear to be the impracticability of communism or the natural
antagonism of the ruling and subject classes. He throws a veil of mystery
over the origin of the decline, which he attributes to ignorance of the law of
population. Of this law the famous geometrical figure or number is the
expression. Like the ancients in general, he had no idea of the gradual
perfectibility of man or of the education of the human race. His ideal was
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from the head of the legislator. When good laws had been given, he thought
only of the manner in which they were likely to be corrupted, or of how
they might be filled up in detail or restored in accordance with their original
spirit. He appears not to have reflected upon the full meaning of his own
words, ‘In the brief space of human life, nothing great can be accomplished’
(x. 608 B); or again, as he afterwards says in the Laws (iii. 676), ‘Infinite
time is the maker of cities.’ The order of constitutions which is adopted by
him represents an order of thought rather than a succession of time, and
may be considered as the first attempt to frame a philosophy of history.
The first of these declining States is timocracy, or the government of
soldiers and lovers of honour, which answers to the Spartan State; this is a
government of force, in which education is not inspired by the Muses, but
imposed by the law, and in which all the finer elements of organization have
disappeared. The philosopher himself has lost the love of truth, and the
soldier, who is of a simpler and honester nature, rules in his stead. The
individual who answers to timocracy has some noticeable qualities. He is
described as ill educated, but, like the Spartan, a lover of literature; and
although he is a harsh master to his servants he has no natural superiority
over them. His character is based upon a reaction against the circumstances
of his father, who in a troubled city has retired from politics; and his
mother, who is dissatisfied at her own position, is always urging him
towards the life of political ambition. Such a character may have had this
origin, and indeed Livy attributes the Licinian laws to a cxxvii feminine
jealousy of a similar kind (vii. 34). But there is obviously no connection
between the manner in which the timocratic State springs out of the ideal,
and the mere accident by which the timocratic man is the son of a retired
statesman.
The two next stages in the decline of constitutions have even less
historical foundation. For there is no trace in Greek history of a polity like
the Spartan or Cretan passing into an oligarchy of wealth, or of the
oligarchy of wealth passing into a democracy. The order of history appears
to be different; first, in the Homeric times there is the royal or patriarchal
form of government, which a century or two later was succeeded by an
oligarchy of birth rather than of wealth, and in which wealth was only the
accident of the hereditary possession of land and power. Sometimes this
oligarchical government gave way to a government based upon a
qualification of property, which, according to Aristotle’s mode of using
words, would have been called a timocracy; and this in some cities, as at
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necessary order of succession in States; nor, indeed, can any order be
discerned in the endless fluctuation of Greek history (like the tides in the
Euripus), except, perhaps, in the almost uniform tendency from monarchy
to aristocracy in the earliest times. At first sight there appears to be a similar
inversion in the last step of the Platonic succession; for tyranny, instead of
being the natural end of democracy, in early Greek history appears rather as
a stage leading to democracy; the reign of Peisistratus and his sons is an
episode which comes between the legislation of Solon and the constitution
of Cleisthenes; and some secret cause common to them all seems to have
led the greater part of Hellas at her first appearance in the dawn of history,
e.g. Athens, Argos, Corinth, Sicyon, and nearly every State with the
exception of Sparta, through a similar stage of tyranny which ended either
in oligarchy or democracy. But then we must remember that Plato is
describing rather the contemporary governments of the Sicilian States,
which alternated between democracy and tyranny, than the ancient history
of Athens or Corinth.
The portrait of the tyrant himself is just such as the later Greek delighted
to draw of Phalaris and Dionysius, in which, as in the lives of mediaeval
saints or mythic heroes, the conduct and actions cxxviii of one were attributed
to another in order to fill up the outline. There was no enormity which the
Greek was not today to believe of them; the tyrant was the negation of
government and law; his assassination was glorious; there was no crime,
however unnatural, which might not with probability be attributed to him.
In this, Plato was only following the common thought of his countrymen,
which he embellished and exaggerated with all the power of his genius.
There is no need to suppose that he drew from life; or that his knowledge of
tyrants is derived from a personal acquaintance with Dionysius. The manner
in which he speaks of them would rather tend to render doubtful his ever
having ‘consorted’ with them, or entertained the schemes, which are
attributed to him in the Epistles, of regenerating Sicily by their help.
Plato in a hyperbolical and serio-comic vein exaggerates the follies of
democracy which he also sees reflected in social life. To him democracy is
a state of individualism or dissolution; in which every one is doing what is
right in his own eyes. Of a people animated by a common spirit of liberty,
rising as one man to repel the Persian host, which is the leading idea of
democracy in Herodotus and Thucydides, he never seems to think. But if he
is not a believer in liberty, still less is he a lover of tyranny. His deeper and
more serious condemnation is reserved for the tyrant, who is the ideal of
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suspiciousness is leading an almost impossible existence, without that
remnant of good which, in Plato’s opinion, was required to give power to
evil (Book i. p. 352). This ideal of wickedness living in helpless misery, is
the reverse of that other portrait of perfect injustice ruling in happiness and
splendour, which first of all Thrasymachus, and afterwards the sons of
Ariston had drawn, and is also the reverse of the king whose rule of life is
the good of his subjects.
Each of these governments and individuals has a corresponding ethical
gradation: the ideal State is under the rule of reason, not extinguishing but
harmonizing the passions, and training them in virtue; in the timocracy and
the timocratic man the constitution, whether of the State or of the
individual, is based, first, upon courage, and secondly, upon the love of
honour; this latter virtue, cxxix which is hardly to be esteemed a virtue, has
superseded all the rest. In the second stage of decline the virtues have
altogether disappeared, and the love of gain has succeeded to them; in the
third stage, or democracy, the various passions are allowed to have free
play, and the virtues and vices are impartially cultivated. But this freedom,
which leads to many curious extravagances of character, is in reality only a
state of weakness and dissipation. At last, one monster passion takes
possession of the whole nature of man—this is tyranny. In all of them
excess—the excess first of wealth and then of freedom, is the element of
decay.
The eighth book of the Republic abounds in pictures of life and fanciful
allusions; the use of metaphorical language is carried to a greater extent
than anywhere else in Plato. We may remark, (1), the description of the two
nations in one, which become more and more divided in the Greek
Republics, as in feudal times, and perhaps also in our own; (2), the notion
of democracy expressed in a sort of Pythagorean formula as equality among
unequals; (3), the free and easy ways of men and animals, which are
characteristic of liberty, as foreign mercenaries and universal mistrust are of
the tyrant; (4), the proposal that mere debts should not be recoverable by
law is a speculation which has often been entertained by reformers of the
law in modern times, and is in harmony with the tendencies of modern
legislation. Debt and land were the two great difficulties of the ancient
lawgiver: in modern times we may be said to have almost, if not quite,
solved the first of these difficulties, but hardly the second.
Still more remarkable are the corresponding portraits of individuals: there
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timocratical man, and the outward respectability and inherent meanness of
the oligarchical; the uncontrolled licence and freedom of the democrat, in
which the young Alcibiades seems to be depicted, doing right or wrong as
he pleases, and who at last, like the prodigal, goes into a far country (note
here the play of language by which the democratic man is himself
represented under the image of a State having a citadel and receiving
embassies); and there is the wild-beast nature, which breaks loose in his
successor. The hit about the tyrant being a parricide; the representation of
the tyrant’s life as cxxx an obscene dream; the rhetorical surprise of a more
miserable than the most miserable of men in Book ix; the hint to the poets
that if they are the friends of tyrants there is no place for them in a
constitutional State, and that they are too clever not to see the propriety of
their own expulsion; the continuous image of the drones who are of two
kinds, swelling at last into the monster drone having wings (see infra, Book
ix),—are among Plato’s happiest touches.
There remains to be considered the great difficulty of this book of the
Republic, the so-called number of the State. This is a puzzle almost as great
as the Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation, and though
apparently known to Aristotle, is referred to by Cicero as a proverb of
obscurity (Ep. ad Att. vii. 13, 5). And some have imagined that there is no
answer to the puzzle, and that Plato has been practising upon his readers.
But such a deception as this is inconsistent with the manner in which
Aristotle speaks of the number (Pol. v. 12, § 7), and would have been
ridiculous to any reader of the Republic who was acquainted with Greek
mathematics. As little reason is there for supposing that Plato intentionally
used obscure expressions; the obscurity arises from our want of familiarity
with the subject. On the other hand, Plato himself indicates that he is not
altogether serious, and in describing his number as a solemn jest of the
Muses, he appears to imply some degree of satire on the symbolical use of
number. (Cp. Cratylus, passim; Protag. 342 ff.)
Our hope of understanding the passage depends principally on an
accurate study of the words themselves; on which a faint light is thrown by
the parallel passage in the ninth book. Another help is the allusion in
Aristotle, who makes the important remark that the latter part of the passage
(from ὧν ἐπίτριτος πυθμὴν, κ.τ.λ.) describes a solid figure.2 Some further
clue may be gathered from the appearance of the Pythagorean triangle,
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angled cxxxi triangle, the squares of the two lesser sides equal the square of
the hypotenuse (32 + 42 = 52, or 9 + 16 = 25).
2 Pol. v. 12, § 8:—‘He only says that nothing is abiding, but that all things
change in a certain cycle; and that the origin of the change is a base of numbers
which are in the ratio of 4 : 3; and this when combined with a figure of five gives
two harmonies; he means when the number of this figure becomes solid.’

Plato begins by speaking of a perfect or cyclical number (cp. Tim. 39 D),
i.e. a number in which the sum of the divisors equals the whole; this is the
divine or perfect number in which all lesser cycles or revolutions are
complete. He also speaks of a human or imperfect number, having four
terms and three intervals of numbers which are related to one another in
certain proportions; these he converts into figures, and finds in them when
they have been raised to the third power certain elements of number, which
give two ‘harmonies,’ the one square, the other oblong; but he does not say
that the square number answers to the divine, or the oblong number to the
human cycle; nor is any intimation given that the first or divine number
represents the period of the world, the second the period of the state, or of
the human race as Zeller supposes; nor is the divine number afterwards
mentioned (cp. Arist.). The second is the number of generations or births,
and presides over them in the same mysterious manner in which the stars
preside over them, or in which, according to the Pythagoreans, opportunity,
justice, marriage, are represented by some number or figure. This is
probably the number 216.
The explanation given in the text supposes the two harmonies to make up
the number 8000. This explanation derives a certain plausibility from the
circumstance that 8000 is the ancient number of the Spartan citizens
(Herod. vii. 34), and would be what Plato might have called ‘a number
which nearly concerns the population of a city’ (588 A); the mysterious
disappearance of the Spartan population may possibly have suggested to
him the first cause of his decline of States. The lesser or square ‘harmony,’
of 400, might be a symbol of the guardians,—the larger or oblong
‘harmony,’ of the people, and the numbers 3, 4, 5 might refer respectively to
the three orders in the State or parts of the soul, the four virtues, the five
forms of government. The harmony of the musical scale, which is elsewhere
used as a symbol of the harmony of the state (Rep. iv. 443 D), is also
indicated. For the numbers 3, 4, 5, which represent the sides of the
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The terms used in the statement of the problem may be cxxxii explained as
follows. A perfect number (τέλειος ἀριθμός), as already stated, is one which
is equal to the sum of its divisors. Thus 6, which is the first perfect or
cyclical number, = 1 + 2 + 3. The words ὄροι, ‘terms’ or ‘notes,’ and
ἀποστάσεις, ‘intervals,’ are applicable to music as well as to number and
figure. Πρώτῳ is the ‘base’ on which the whole calculation depends, or the
‘lowest term’ from which it can be worked out. The words δυνάμεναί τε καὶ
δυναστευόμενοι have been variously translated—‘squared and cubed’
(Donaldson), ‘equalling and equalled in power’ (Weber), ‘by involution and
evolution,’ i.e. by raising the power and extracting the root (as in the
translation). Numbers are called ‘like and unlike’ (ὁμοιοῦντές τε καὶ
ἀνομοιοῦντες) when the factors or the sides of the planes and cubes which
they represent are or are not in the same ratio: e.g. 8 and 27 = 23 and 33; and
conversely. ‘Waxing’ (αὔξοντες) numbers, called also ‘increasing’
(ὑπερτελεῖς), are those which are exceeded by the sum of their divisors: e.g.
12 and 18 are less than 16 and 21. ‘Waning’ (φθίνοντες) numbers, called
also ‘decreasing’ (ἐλλιπεῖς) are those which succeed the sum of their
divisors: e.g. 8 and 27 exceed 7 and 13. The words translated
‘commensurable and agreeable to one another’ (προσήγορα καὶ ῥητά) seem
to be different ways of describing the same relation, with more or less
precision. They are equivalent to ‘expressible in terms having the same
relation to one another,’ like the series 8, 12, 18, 27, each of which numbers
is in the relation of 11⁄2 to the preceding. The ‘base,’ or ‘fundamental
number, which has 1⁄3 added to it’ (11⁄3) = 4⁄3 or a musical fourth. Ἁρμονία is a
‘proportion’ of numbers as of musical notes, applied either to the parts or
factors of a single number or to the relation of one number to another. The
first harmony is a ‘square’ number (ἴσην ἰσάκις); the second harmony is an
‘oblong’ number (προμήκη), i.e. a number representing a figure of which
the opposite sides only are equal. Ἀριθμοὶ ἀπὸ διαμέτρων = ‘numbers
squared from’ or ‘upon diameters’; ῥητῶν = ‘rational,’ i.e. omitting
fractions, ἀῤῥήτων, ‘irrational,’ i.e. including fractions; e.g. 49 is a square
of the rational diameter of a figure the side of which = 5: 50, of an irrational
diameter of the same. For several of the explanations here given and for a
good deal besides I am indebted to an excellent article on the Platonic
Number by Dr. Donaldson (Proc. of the Philol. Society, vol. i. p. 81 ff.).
cxxxiii The conclusions which he draws from these data are summed up by
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cycle is the number of the world, and the number of the imperfect cycle the
number of the state, he proceeds: ‘The period of the world is defined by the
perfect number 6, that of the state by the cube of that number or 216, which
is the product of the last pair of terms in the Platonic Tetractys3; and if we
take this as the basis of our computation, we shall have two cube numbers
(αὐξήσεις δυνάμεναί τε καὶ δυναστευόμεναι), viz. 8 and 27; and the mean
proportionals between these, viz. 12 and 18, will furnish three intervals and
four terms, and these terms and intervals stand related to one another in the
sesqui-altera ratio, i.e. each term is to the preceding as 3⁄2. Now if we
remember that the number 216 = 8 × 27 = 33 + 43 + 53, and 32 + 42 = 52, we
must admit that this number implies the numbers 3, 4, 5, to which musicians
attach so much importance. And if we combine the ratio 4⁄3 with the number
5, or multiply the ratios of the sides by the hypotenuse, we shall by first
squaring and then cubing obtain two expressions, which denote the ratio of
the two last pairs of terms in the Platonic Tetractys, the former multiplied
by the square, the latter by the cube of the number 10, the sum of the first
four digits which constitute the Platonic Tetractys.’ The two ἁρμονίαι he
elsewhere explains as follows: ‘The first ἁρμονία is ἴσην ἰσάκις ἑκατὸν
τοσαυτάκις, in other words (4⁄3 × 5)2 = 100 × 22⁄32. The second ἁρμονία, a
cube of the same root, is described as 100 multiplied (α) by the rational
diameter of 5 diminished by unity, i.e., as shown above, 48: (β) by two
incommensurable diameters, i.e. the two first irrationals, or 2 and 3: and (γ)
by the cube of 3, or 27. Thus we have (48 + 5 + 27) 100 = 1000 × 23. This
second harmony is to be the cube of the number of which the former
harmony is the square, and therefore must be divided by the cube of 3. In
other words, the whole expression will be: (1), for the first harmony, 400⁄9: (2),
for the second harmony, 8000⁄27.’
3 The Platonic Tetractys consisted of a series of seven terms, 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 8, 27.

The reasons which have inclined me to agree with Dr. Donaldson and
also with Schleiermacher in supposing that 216 is the Platonic number of
births are: (1) that it coincides with the description of the number given in
the first part of the passage (ἐν ᾧ πρώτῳ … cxxxiv ἀπέφησαν): (2) that the
number 216 with its permutations would have been familiar to a Greek
mathematician, though unfamiliar to us: (3) that 216 is the cube of 6, and
also the sum of 33, 43, 53, the numbers 3, 4, 5 representing the Pythagorean
triangle, of which the sides when squared equal the square of the
hypotenuse (32 + 42 = 52): (4) that it is also the period of the Pythagorean

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Metempsychosis: (5) the three ultimate terms or bases (3, 4, 5) of which
216 is composed answer to the third, fourth, fifth in the musical scale: (6)
that the number 216 is the product of the cubes of 2 and 3, which are the
two last terms in the Platonic Tetractys: (7) that the Pythagorean triangle is
said by Plutarch (de Is. et Osir., 373 E), Proclus (super prima Eucl. iv. p.
111), and Quintilian (de Musica iii. p. 152) to be contained in this passage,
so that the tradition of the school seems to point in the same direction: (8)
that the Pythagorean triangle is called also the figure of marriage (γαμήλιον
διάγραμμα).
But though agreeing with Dr. Donaldson thus far, I see no reason for
supposing, as he does, that the first or perfect number is the world, the
human or imperfect number the state; nor has he given any proof that the
second harmony is a cube. Nor do I think that ἀῤῥήτων δὲ δυεῖν can mean
‘two incommensurables,’ which he arbitrarily assumes to be 2 and 3, but
rather, as the preceding clause implies, δυεῖν ἀριθμοῖν ἀπὸ ἀῤῥήτων
διαμέτρων πεμπάδος, i.e. two square numbers based upon irrational
diameters of a figure the side of which is 5 = 50 × 2.
The greatest objection to the translation is the sense given to the words
ἐπίτριτος πυθμήν κ.τ.λ., ‘a base of three with a third added to it, multiplied
by 5.’ In this somewhat forced manner Plato introduces once more the
numbers of the Pythagorean triangle. But the coincidences in the numbers
which follow are in favour of the explanation. The first harmony of 400, as
has been already remarked, probably represents the rulers; the second and
oblong harmony of 7600, the people.
And here we take leave of the difficulty. The discovery of the riddle
would be useless, and would throw no light on ancient mathematics. The
point of interest is that Plato should have used such a symbol, and that so
much of the Pythagorean spirit should have prevailed in him. His general
meaning is that divine creation is perfect, and is represented or presided
cxxxv over by a perfect or cyclical number; human generation is imperfect,
and represented or presided over by an imperfect number or series of
numbers. The number 5040, which is the number of the citizens in the
Laws, is expressly based by him on utilitarian grounds, namely, the
convenience of the number for division; it is also made up of the first seven
digits multiplied by one another. The contrast of the perfect and imperfect
number may have been easily suggested by the corrections of the cycle,
which were made first by Meton and secondly by Callippus; (the latter is
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exactness to be attributed to the problem, the number of the tyrant in Book
ix. (729 = 365 × 2), and the slight correction of the error in the number
5040÷12 (Laws, 771 C), may furnish a criterion. There is nothing surprising
in the circumstance that those who were seeking for order in nature and had
found order in number, should have imagined one to give law to the other.
Plato believes in a power of number far beyond what he could see realized
in the world around him, and he knows the great influence which ‘the little
matter of 1, 2, 3’ (vii. 522 C) exercises upon education. He may even be
thought to have a prophetic anticipation of the discoveries of Quetelet and
others, that numbers depend upon numbers; e.g.—in population, the
numbers of births and the respective numbers of children born of either sex,
on the respective ages of parents, i.e. on other numbers.

Republic IX.
ANALYSIS. BOOK IX. 571 Last of all comes the tyrannical man, about whom
we have to enquire, Whence is he, and how does he live—in happiness or in
misery? There is, however, a previous question of the nature and number of
the appetites, which I should like to consider first. Some of them are
unlawful, and yet admit of being chastened and weakened in various
degrees by the power of reason and law. ‘What appetites do you mean?’ I
mean those which are awake when the reasoning powers are asleep, which
get up and walk about naked without any self-respect or shame; and there is
no conceivable folly or crime, however cruel or unnatural, of which, in
imagination, they may not be guilty. ‘True,’ he said; ‘very true.’ But when a
man’s pulse beats temperately; and he has supped on a feast of reason and
come to a knowledge of himself cxxxvi before going to rest, 572 and has
satisfied his desires just enough to prevent their perturbing his reason,
which remains clear and luminous, and when he is free from quarrel and
heat,—the visions which he has on his bed are least irregular and abnormal.
Even in good men there is such an irregular wild-beast nature, which peers
out in sleep.
To return:—You remember what was said of the democrat; that he was
the son of a miserly father, who encouraged the saving desires and
repressed the ornamental and expensive ones; presently the youth got into
fine company, and began to entertain a dislike to his father’s narrow ways;
and being a better man than the corrupters of his youth, he came to a mean,
and led a life, not of lawless or slavish passion, but of regular and
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and has a son who is exposed to the same temptations, and has companions
who lead him into every sort of iniquity, and parents and friends who try to
keep him right. 573 The counsellors of evil find that their only chance of
retaining him is to implant in his soul a monster drone, or love; while other
desires buzz around him and mystify him with sweet sounds and scents, this
monster love takes possession of him, and puts an end to every true or
modest thought or wish. Love, like drunkenness and madness, is a tyranny;
and the tyrannical man, whether made by nature or habit, is just a drinking,
lusting, furious sort of animal.
And how does such an one live? ‘Nay, that you must tell me.’ Well then, I
fancy that he will live amid revelries and harlotries, and love will be the
lord and master of the house. Many desires require much money, and so he
spends all that he has and borrows more; and when he has nothing the
young ravens are still in the nest in which they were hatched, crying for
food. 574 Love urges them on; and they must be gratified by force or fraud,
or if not, they become painful and troublesome; and as the new pleasures
succeed the old ones, so will the son take possession of the goods of his
parents; if they show signs of refusing, he will defraud and deceive them;
and if they openly resist, what then? ‘I can only say, that I should not much
like to be in their place.’ But, O heavens, Adeimantus, to think that for some
new-fangled and unnecessary love he will give up his old father and mother,
best and dearest of friends, or enslave them to the fancies of the hour! cxxxvii
Truly a tyrannical son is a blessing to his father and mother! When there is
no more to be got out of them, he turns burglar or pickpocket, or robs a
temple. Love overmasters the thoughts of his youth, and he becomes in
sober reality the monster that he was sometimes in sleep. 575 He waxes
strong in all violence and lawlessness; and is ready for any deed of daring
that will supply the wants of his rabble-rout. In a well-ordered State there
are only a few such, and these in time of war go out and become the
mercenaries of a tyrant. But in time of peace they stay at home and do
mischief; they are the thieves, footpads, cut-purses, man-stealers of the
community; or if they are able to speak, they turn false-witnesses and
informers. ‘No small catalogue of crimes truly, even if the perpetrators are
few.’ Yes, I said; but small and great are relative terms, and no crimes which
are committed by them approach those of the tyrant, whom this class,
growing strong and numerous, create out of themselves. If the people yield,
well and good, but, if they resist, then, as before he beat his father and
mother, so now he beats his fatherland and motherland, and places his
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they themselves flatter others, in order to gain their ends; 576 but they soon
discard their followers when they have no longer any need of them; they are
always either masters or servants,—the joys of friendship are unknown to
them. And they are utterly treacherous and unjust, if the nature of justice be
at all understood by us. They realize our dream; and he who is the most of a
tyrant by nature, and leads the life of a tyrant for the longest time, will be
the worst of them, and being the worst of them, will also be the most
miserable.
Like man, like State,—the tyrannical man will answer to tyranny, which
is the extreme opposite of the royal State; for one is the best and the other
the worst. But which is the happier? Great and terrible as the tyrant may
appear enthroned amid his satellites, let us not be afraid to go in and ask;
and the answer is, that the monarchical is the happiest, and the tyrannical
the most miserable of States. 577 And may we not ask the same question
about the men themselves, requesting some one to look into them who is
able to penetrate the inner nature of man, and will not be panic-struck by
the vain pomp of tyranny? I will suppose that he cxxxviii is one who has lived
with him, and has seen him in family life, or perhaps in the hour of trouble
and danger.
Assuming that we ourselves are the impartial judge for whom we seek,
let us begin by comparing the individual and State, and ask first of all,
whether the State is likely to be free or enslaved—Will there not be a little
freedom and a great deal of slavery? And the freedom is of the bad, and the
slavery of the good; and this applies to the man as well as to the State; for
his soul is full of meanness and slavery, and the better part is enslaved to the
worse. He cannot do what he would, and his mind is full of confusion; he is
the very reverse of a freeman. 578 The State will be poor and full of misery
and sorrow; and the man’s soul will also be poor and full of sorrows, and he
will be the most miserable of men. No, not the most miserable, for there is
yet a more miserable. ‘Who is that?’ The tyrannical man who has the
misfortune also to become a public tyrant. ‘There I suspect that you are
right.’ Say rather, ‘I am sure;’ conjecture is out of place in an enquiry of this
nature. He is like a wealthy owner of slaves, only he has more of them than
any private individual. You will say, ‘The owners of slaves are not generally
in any fear of them.’ But why? Because the whole city is in a league which
protects the individual. Suppose however that one of these owners and his
household is carried off by a god into a wilderness, where there are no
freemen to help him—will he not be in an agony of terror?— 579 will he
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against his will? And suppose the same god who carried him off were to
surround him with neighbours who declare that no man ought to have
slaves, and that the owners of them should be punished with death. ‘Still
worse and worse! He will be in the midst of his enemies.’ And is not our
tyrant such a captive soul, who is tormented by a swarm of passions which
he cannot indulge; living indoors always like a woman, and jealous of those
who can go out and see the world?
Having so many evils, will not the most miserable of men be still more
miserable in a public station? Master of others when he is not master of
himself; like a sick man who is compelled to be an athlete; the meanest of
slaves and the most abject of flatterers; wanting all things, and never able to
satisfy his desires; always in fear and distraction, like the State of which he
is the representative. 580 cxxxix His jealous, hateful, faithless temper grows
worse with command; he is more and more faithless, envious, unrighteous,
—the most wretched of men, a misery to himself and to others. And so let
us have a final trial and proclamation; need we hire a herald, or shall I
proclaim the result? ‘Make the proclamation yourself.’ The son of Ariston
(the best) is of opinion that the best and justest of men is also the happiest,
and that this is he who is the most royal master of himself; and that the
unjust man is he who is the greatest tyrant of himself and of his State. And I
add further—‘seen or unseen by gods or men.’
This is our first proof. The second is derived from the three kinds of
pleasure, which answer to the three elements of the soul—reason, passion,
desire; 581 under which last is comprehended avarice as well as sensual
appetite, while passion includes ambition, party-feeling, love of reputation.
Reason, again, is solely directed to the attainment of truth, and careless of
money and reputation. In accordance with the difference of men’s natures,
one of these three principles is in the ascendant, and they have their several
pleasures corresponding to them. Interrogate now the three natures, and
each one will be found praising his own pleasures and depreciating those of
others. The money-maker will contrast the vanity of knowledge with the
solid advantages of wealth. The ambitious man will despise knowledge
which brings no honour; whereas the philosopher will regard only the
fruition of truth, and will call other pleasures necessary rather than good.
582 Now, how shall we decide between them? Is there any better criterion
than experience and knowledge? And which of the three has the truest
knowledge and the widest experience? The experience of youth makes the
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the ambitious man never taste the pleasures of truth and wisdom. Honour he
has equally with them; they are ‘judged of him,’ but he is ‘not judged of
them,’ for they never attain to the knowledge of true being. And his
instrument is reason, whereas their standard is only wealth and honour; and
if by reason we are to judge, his good will be the truest. And so we arrive at
the result that the pleasure of the rational part of the soul, and a life passed
in such pleasure is the pleasantest. 583 He who has a right to judge judges
thus. Next comes the life of ambition, and, in the third place, that of money-
making.
cxl Twice has the just man overthrown the unjust—once more, as in an
Olympian contest, first offering up a prayer to the saviour Zeus, let him try
a fall. A wise man whispers to me that the pleasures of the wise are true and
pure; all others are a shadow only. Let us examine this: Is not pleasure
opposed to pain, and is there not a mean state which is neither? When a man
is sick, nothing is more pleasant to him than health. But this he never found
out while he was well. In pain he desires only to cease from pain; on the
other hand, when he is in an ecstasy of pleasure, rest is painful to him. Thus
rest or cessation is both pleasure and pain. But can that which is neither
become both? Again, pleasure and pain are motions, and the absence of
them is rest; 584 but if so, how can the absence of either of them be the
other? Thus we are led to infer that the contradiction is an appearance only,
and witchery of the senses. And these are not the only pleasures, for there
are others which have no preceding pains. Pure pleasure then is not the
absence of pain, nor pure pain the absence of pleasure; although most of the
pleasures which reach the mind through the body are reliefs of pain, and
have not only their reactions when they depart, but their anticipations before
they come. They can be best described in a simile. There is in nature an
upper, lower, and middle region, and he who passes from the lower to the
middle imagines that he is going up and is already in the upper world; and if
he were taken back again would think, and truly think, that he was
descending. All this arises out of his ignorance of the true upper, middle,
and lower regions. And a like confusion happens with pleasure and pain,
and with many other things. 585 The man who compares grey with black,
calls grey white; and the man who compares absence of pain with pain,
calls the absence of pain pleasure. Again, hunger and thirst are inanitions of
the body, ignorance and folly of the soul; and food is the satisfaction of the
one, knowledge of the other. Now which is the purer satisfaction—that of
eating and drinking, or that of knowledge? Consider the matter thus: The
satisfaction of that which has more existence is truer than of that which has
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variable and mortal, and has a corresponding measure of knowledge and
truth. The soul, again, has more existence and truth and knowledge than the
body, and is therefore more really satisfied and has a more cxli natural
pleasure. 586 Those who feast only on earthly food, are always going at
random up to the middle and down again; but they never pass into the true
upper world, or have a taste of true pleasure. They are like fatted beasts, full
of gluttony and sensuality, and ready to kill one another by reason of their
insatiable lust; for they are not filled with true being, and their vessel is
leaky (cp. Gorgias, 243 A, foll.). Their pleasures are mere shadows of
pleasure, mixed with pain, coloured and intensified by contrast, and
therefore intensely desired; and men go fighting about them, as Stesichorus
says that the Greeks fought about the shadow of Helen at Troy, because they
know not the truth.
The same may be said of the passionate element:—the desires of the
ambitious soul, as well as of the covetous, have an inferior satisfaction.
Only when under the guidance of reason do either of the other principles do
their own business 587 or attain the pleasure which is natural to them.
When not attaining, they compel the other parts of the soul to pursue a
shadow of pleasure which is not theirs. And the more distant they are from
philosophy and reason, the more distant they will be from law and order,
and the more illusive will be their pleasures. The desires of love and
tyranny are the farthest from law, and those of the king are nearest to it.
There is one genuine pleasure, and two spurious ones: the tyrant goes
beyond even the latter; he has run away altogether from law and reason.
Nor can the measure of his inferiority be told, except in a figure. The tyrant
is the third removed from the oligarch, and has therefore, not a shadow of
his pleasure, but the shadow of a shadow only. The oligarch, again, is thrice
removed from the king, and thus we get the formula 3 × 3, which is the
number of a surface, representing the shadow which is the tyrant’s pleasure,
and if you like to cube this ‘number of the beast,’ you will find that the
measure of the difference amounts to 729; the king is 729 times more happy
than the tyrant. And this extraordinary number is nearly equal to the number
of days and nights in a year (365 × 2 = 730); and is therefore concerned
with human life. 588 This is the interval between a good and bad man in
happiness only: what must be the difference between them in comeliness of
life and virtue!
Perhaps you may remember some one saying at the beginning of our
discussion that the unjust man was profited if he had the cxlii reputation of
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image of the soul, which will personify his words. First of all, fashion a
multitudinous beast, having a ring of heads of all manner of animals, tame
and wild, and able to produce and change them at pleasure. Suppose now
another form of a lion, and another of a man; the second smaller than the
first, the third than the second; join them together and cover them with a
human skin, in which they are completely concealed. When this has been
done, let us tell the supporter of injustice 589 that he is feeding up the
beasts and starving the man. The maintainer of justice, on the other hand, is
trying to strengthen the man; he is nourishing the gentle principle within
him, and making an alliance with the lion heart, in order that he may be able
to keep down the many-headed hydra, and bring all into unity with each
other and with themselves. Thus in every point of view, whether in relation
to pleasure, honour, or advantage, the just man is right, and the unjust
wrong.
But now, let us reason with the unjust, who is not intentionally in error. Is
not the noble that which subjects the beast to the man, or rather to the God
in man; the ignoble, that which subjects the man to the beast? And if so,
who would receive gold on condition that he was to degrade the noblest part
of himself under the worst?—who would sell his son or daughter into the
hands of brutal and evil men, for any amount of money? And will he sell his
own fairer and diviner part without any compunction to the most godless
and foul? 590 Would he not be worse than Eriphyle, who sold her
husband’s life for a necklace? And intemperance is the letting loose of the
multiform monster, and pride and sullenness are the growth and increase of
the lion and serpent element, while luxury and effeminacy are caused by a
too great relaxation of spirit. Flattery and meanness again arise when the
spirited element is subjected to avarice, and the lion is habituated to become
a monkey. The real disgrace of handicraft arts is, that those who are
engaged in them have to flatter, instead of mastering their desires; therefore
we say that they should be placed under the control of the better principle in
another because they have none in themselves; not, as Thrasymachus
imagined, to the injury of the subjects, but for cxliii their good. And our
intention in educating the young, is to give them self-control; 591 the law
desires to nurse up in them a higher principle, and when they have acquired
this, they may go their ways.
‘What, then, shall a man profit, if he gain the whole world’ and become
more and more wicked? Or what shall he profit by escaping discovery, if
the concealment of evil prevents the cure? If he had been punished, the
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liberated; and he would have united temperance, justice, and wisdom in his
soul—a union better far than any combination of bodily gifts. The man of
understanding will honour knowledge above all; in the next place he will
keep under his body, not only for the sake of health and strength, but in
order to attain the most perfect harmony of body and soul. In the acquisition
of riches, too, he will aim at order and harmony; he will not desire to heap
up wealth without measure, but he will fear that the increase of wealth will
disturb the constitution of his own soul. For the same reason 592 he will
only accept such honours as will make him a better man; any others he will
decline. ‘In that case,’ said he, ‘he will never be a politician.’ Yes, but he
will, in his own city; though probably not in his native country, unless by
some divine accident. ‘You mean that he will be a citizen of the ideal city,
which has no place upon earth.’ But in heaven, I replied, there is a pattern of
such a city, and he who wishes may order his life after that image. Whether
such a state is or ever will be matters not; he will act according to that
pattern and no other….

Republic IX.
INTRODUCTION.The most noticeable points in the 9th Book of the Republic are:
—(1) the account of pleasure; (2) the number of the interval which divides
the king from the tyrant; (3) the pattern which is in heaven.
1. Plato’s account of pleasure is remarkable for moderation, and in this
respect contrasts with the later Platonists and the views which are attributed
to them by Aristotle. He is not, like the Cynics, opposed to all pleasure, but
rather desires that the several parts of the soul shall have their natural
satisfaction; he even agrees with the Epicureans in describing pleasure cxliv
as something more than the absence of pain. This is proved by the
circumstance that there are pleasures which have no antecedent pains (as he
also remarks in the Philebus), such as the pleasures of smell, and also the
pleasures of hope and anticipation. In the previous book (pp. 558, 559) he
had made the distinction between necessary and unnecessary pleasure,
which is repeated by Aristotle, and he now observes that there are a further
class of ‘wild beast’ pleasures, corresponding to Aristotle’s θηριότης. He
dwells upon the relative and unreal character of sensual pleasures and the
illusion which arises out of the contrast of pleasure and pain, pointing out
the superiority of the pleasures of reason, which are at rest, over the fleeting
pleasures of sense and emotion. The pre-eminence of royal pleasure is
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pleasures, while the two lower parts of the soul are incapable of judging the
pleasures of reason. Thus, in his treatment of pleasure, as in many other
subjects, the philosophy of Plato is ‘sawn up into quantities’ by Aristotle;
the analysis which was originally made by him became in the next
generation the foundation of further technical distinctions. Both in Plato and
Aristotle we note the illusion under which the ancients fell of regarding the
transience of pleasure as a proof of its unreality, and of confounding the
permanence of the intellectual pleasures with the unchangeableness of the
knowledge from which they are derived. Neither do we like to admit that
the pleasures of knowledge, though more elevating, are not more lasting
than other pleasures, and are almost equally dependent on the accidents of
our bodily state (cp. Introduction to Philebus).
2. The number of the interval which separates the king from the tyrant,
and royal from tyrannical pleasures, is 729, the cube of 9. Which Plato
characteristically designates as a number concerned with human life,
because nearly equivalent to the number of days and nights in the year. He
is desirous of proclaiming that the interval between them is immeasurable,
and invents a formula to give expression to his idea. Those who spoke of
justice as a cube, of virtue as an art of measuring (Prot. 357 A), saw no
inappropriateness in conceiving the soul under the figure of a line, or the
pleasure of the tyrant as separated from the cxlv pleasure of the king by the
numerical interval of 729. And in modern times we sometimes use
metaphorically what Plato employed as a philosophical formula. ‘It is not
easy to estimate the loss of the tyrant, except perhaps in this way,’ says
Plato. So we might say, that although the life of a good man is not to be
compared to that of a bad man, yet you may measure the difference between
them by valuing one minute of the one at an hour of the other (‘One day in
thy courts is better than a thousand’), or you might say that ‘there is an
infinite difference.’ But this is not so much as saying, in homely phrase,
‘They are a thousand miles asunder.’ And accordingly Plato finds the
natural vehicle of his thoughts in a progression of numbers; this arithmetical
formula he draws out with the utmost seriousness, and both here and in the
number of generation seems to find an additional proof of the truth of his
speculation in forming the number into a geometrical figure; just as persons
in our own day are apt to fancy that a statement is verified when it has been
only thrown into an abstract form. In speaking of the number 729 as proper
to human life, he probably intended to intimate that one year of the
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The simple observation that the comparison of two similar solids is
effected by the comparison of the cubes of their sides, is the mathematical
groundwork of this fanciful expression. There is some difficulty in
explaining the steps by which the number 729 is obtained; the oligarch is
removed in the third degree from the royal and aristocratical, and the tyrant
in the third degree from the oligarchical; but we have to arrange the terms
as the sides of a square and to count the oligarch twice over, thus reckoning
them not as = 5 but as = 9. The square of 9 is passed lightly over as only a
step towards the cube.
3. Towards the close of the Republic, Plato seems to be more and more
convinced of the ideal character of his own speculations. At the end of the
9th Book the pattern which is in heaven takes the place of the city of
philosophers on earth. The vision which has received form and substance at
his hands, is now discovered to be at a distance. And yet this distant
kingdom is also the rule of man’s life (Bk. vii. 540 E). (‘Say not lo! here, or
lo! there, for the kingdom of God is within you.’) Thus a note is struck
which prepares for the revelation of a future cxlvi life in the following Book.
But the future life is present still; the ideal of politics is to be realized in the
individual.

Republic X.
ANALYSIS. BOOK X. 595 Many things pleased me in the order of our State,
but there was nothing which I liked better than the regulation about poetry.
The division of the soul throws a new light on our exclusion of imitation. I
do not mind telling you in confidence that all poetry is an outrage on the
understanding, unless the hearers have that balm of knowledge which heals
error. I have loved Homer ever since I was a boy, and even now he appears
to me to be the great master of tragic poetry. But much as I love the man, I
love truth more, and therefore I must speak out: and first of all, will you
explain what is imitation, for really I do not understand? ‘How likely then
that I should understand!’ 596 That might very well be, for the duller often
sees better than the keener eye. ‘True, but in your presence I can hardly
venture to say what I think.’ Then suppose that we begin in our old fashion,
with the doctrine of universals. Let us assume the existence of beds and
tables. There is one idea of a bed, or of a table, which the maker of each had
in his mind when making them; he did not make the ideas of beds and
tables, but he made beds and tables according to the ideas. And is there not
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plants and animals, himself, the earth and heaven, and things in heaven and
under the earth? He makes the Gods also. ‘He must be a wizard indeed!’
But do you not see that there is a sense in which you could do the same?
You have only to take a mirror, and catch the reflection of the sun, and the
earth, or anything else—there now you have made them. ‘Yes, but only in
appearance.’ Exactly so; and the painter is such a creator as you are with the
mirror, and he is even more unreal than the carpenter; although neither the
carpenter 597 nor any other artist can be supposed to make the absolute
bed. ‘Not if philosophers may be believed.’ Nor need we wonder that his
bed has but an imperfect relation to the truth. Reflect:—Here are three beds;
one in nature, which is made by God; another, which is made by the
carpenter; and the third, by the painter. God only made one, nor could he
have made more than one; for if there had been two, there cxlvii would
always have been a third—more absolute and abstract than either, under
which they would have been included. We may therefore conceive God to
be the natural maker of the bed, and in a lower sense the carpenter is also
the maker; but the painter is rather the imitator of what the other two make;
he has to do with a creation which is thrice removed from reality. And the
tragic poet is an imitator, and, like every other imitator, is thrice removed
from the king and from the truth. The painter imitates not the original bed,
598 but the bed made by the carpenter. And this, without being really
different, appears to be different, and has many points of view, of which
only one is caught by the painter, who represents everything because he
represents a piece of everything, and that piece an image. And he can paint
any other artist, although he knows nothing of their arts; and this with
sufficient skill to deceive children or simple people. Suppose now that
somebody came to us and told us, how he had met a man who knew all that
everybody knows, and better than anybody:—should we not infer him to be
a simpleton who, having no discernment of truth and falsehood, had met
with a wizard or enchanter, whom he fancied to be all-wise? And when we
hear persons saying that Homer and the tragedians know all the arts and all
the virtues, must we not infer that they are under a similar delusion?
599 they do not see that the poets are imitators, and that their creations are
only imitations. ‘Very true.’ But if a person could create as well as imitate,
he would rather leave some permanent work and not an imitation only; he
would rather be the receiver than the giver of praise? ‘Yes, for then he
would have more honour and advantage.’
Let us now interrogate Homer and the poets. Friend Homer, say I to him,
I am not going to ask you about medicine, or any art to which your poems
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politics. If you are only twice and not thrice removed from the truth—not an
imitator or an image-maker, please to inform us what good you have ever
done to mankind? Is there any city which professes to have received laws
from you, as Sicily and Italy have from Charondas, 600 Sparta from
Lycurgus, Athens from Solon? Or was any war ever carried on by your
counsels? or is any invention attributed to you, as there is to Thales and
Anacharsis? Or is there any cxlviii Homeric way of life, such as the
Pythagorean was, in which you instructed men, and which is called after
you? ‘No, indeed; and Creophylus [Flesh-child] was even more unfortunate
in his breeding than he was in his name, if, as tradition says, Homer in his
lifetime was allowed by him and his other friends to starve.’ Yes, but could
this ever have happened if Homer had really been the educator of Hellas?
Would he not have had many devoted followers? If Protagoras and Prodicus
can persuade their contemporaries that no one can manage house or State
without them, is it likely that Homer and Hesiod would have been allowed
to go about as beggars—I mean if they had really been able to do the world
any good?—would not men have compelled them to stay where they were,
or have followed them about in order to get education? But they did not;
and therefore we may infer that Homer and all the poets are only imitators,
who do but imitate the appearances of things. 601 For as a painter by a
knowledge of figure and colour can paint a cobbler without any practice in
cobbling, so the poet can delineate any art in the colours of language, and
give harmony and rhythm to the cobbler and also to the general; and you
know how mere narration, when deprived of the ornaments of metre, is like
a face which has lost the beauty of youth and never had any other. Once
more, the imitator has no knowledge of reality, but only of appearance. The
painter paints, and the artificer makes a bridle and reins, but neither
understands the use of them—the knowledge of this is confined to the
horseman; and so of other things. Thus we have three arts: one of use,
another of invention, a third of imitation; and the user furnishes the rule to
the two others. The flute-player will know the good and bad flute, and the
maker will put faith in him; 602 but the imitator will neither know nor have
faith—neither science nor true opinion can be ascribed to him. Imitation,
then, is devoid of knowledge, being only a kind of play or sport, and the
tragic and epic poets are imitators in the highest degree.
And now let us enquire, what is the faculty in man which answers to
imitation. Allow me to explain my meaning: Objects are differently seen
when in the water and when out of the water, when near and when at a
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upon us. And cxlix the art of measuring and weighing and calculating comes
in to save our bewildered minds from the power of appearance; for, as we
were saying, 603 two contrary opinions of the same about the same and at
the same time, cannot both of them be true. But which of them is true is
determined by the art of calculation; and this is allied to the better faculty in
the soul, as the arts of imitation are to the worse. And the same holds of the
ear as well as of the eye, of poetry as well as painting. The imitation is of
actions voluntary or involuntary, in which there is an expectation of a good
or bad result, and present experience of pleasure and pain. But is a man in
harmony with himself when he is the subject of these conflicting
influences? Is there not rather a contradiction in him? Let me further ask,
whether 604 he is more likely to control sorrow when he is alone or when
he is in company. ‘In the latter case.’ Feeling would lead him to indulge his
sorrow, but reason and law control him and enjoin patience; since he cannot
know whether his affliction is good or evil, and no human thing is of any
great consequence, while sorrow is certainly a hindrance to good counsel.
For when we stumble, we should not, like children, make an uproar; we
should take the measures which reason prescribes, not raising a lament, but
finding a cure. And the better part of us is ready to follow reason, while the
irrational principle is full of sorrow and distraction at the recollection of our
troubles. Unfortunately, however, this latter furnishes the chief materials of
the imitative arts. Whereas reason is ever in repose and cannot easily be
displayed, especially to a mixed multitude who have no experience of her.
605 Thus the poet is like the painter in two ways: first he paints an inferior
degree of truth, and secondly, he is concerned with an inferior part of the
soul. He indulges the feelings, while he enfeebles the reason; and we refuse
to allow him to have authority over the mind of man; for he has no measure
of greater and less, and is a maker of images and very far gone from truth.
But we have not yet mentioned the heaviest count in the indictment—the
power which poetry has of injuriously exciting the feelings. When we hear
some passage in which a hero laments his sufferings at tedious length, you
know that we sympathize with him and praise the poet; and yet in our own
cl sorrows such an exhibition of feeling is regarded as effeminate and
unmanly (cp. Ion, 535 E). Now, ought a man to feel pleasure in seeing
another do what he hates and abominates in himself? 606 Is he not giving
way to a sentiment which in his own case he would control?—he is off his
guard because the sorrow is another’s; and he thinks that he may indulge his
feelings without disgrace, and will be the gainer by the pleasure. But the
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others, will end by weeping at his own. The same is true of comedy,—you
may often laugh at buffoonery which you would be ashamed to utter, and
the love of coarse merriment on the stage will at last turn you into a buffoon
at home. Poetry feeds and waters the passions and desires; she lets them
rule instead of ruling them. And therefore, when we hear the encomiasts of
Homer affirming that he is the educator of Hellas, 607 and that all life
should be regulated by his precepts, we may allow the excellence of their
intentions, and agree with them in thinking Homer a great poet and
tragedian. But we shall continue to prohibit all poetry which goes beyond
hymns to the Gods and praises of famous men. Not pleasure and pain, but
law and reason shall rule in our State.
These are our grounds for expelling poetry; but lest she should charge us
with discourtesy, let us also make an apology to her. We will remind her that
there is an ancient quarrel between poetry and philosophy, of which there
are many traces in the writings of the poets, such as the saying of ‘the she-
dog, yelping at her mistress,’ and ‘the philosophers who are ready to
circumvent Zeus,’ and ‘the philosophers who are paupers.’ Nevertheless we
bear her no ill-will, and will gladly allow her to return upon condition that
she makes a defence of herself in verse; and her supporters who are not
poets may speak in prose. We confess her charms; but if she cannot show
that she is useful as well as delightful, like rational lovers, we must
renounce our love, though endeared to us by early associations. Having
come to years of discretion, we know that poetry is not truth, and that a man
should be careful how he introduces her to that state or constitution which
he himself is; for there is a mighty issue at stake—no less than the good or
evil of a human soul. And it is not worth while to forsake justice and virtue
cli for the attractions of poetry, any more than for the sake of honour or
wealth. ‘I agree with you.’
And yet the rewards of virtue are greater far than I have described. ‘And
can we conceive things greater still?’ Not, perhaps, in this brief span of life:
but should an immortal being care about anything short of eternity? ‘I do
not understand what you mean?’ Do you not know that the soul is
immortal? ‘Surely you are not prepared to prove that?’ Indeed I am. ‘Then
let me hear this argument, of which you make so light.’
609 You would admit that everything has an element of good and of evil.
In all things there is an inherent corruption; and if this cannot destroy them,
nothing else will. The soul too has her own corrupting principles, which are
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the soul in the same sense that disease destroys the body. The soul may be
full of all iniquities, but is not, by reason of them, brought any nearer to
death. Nothing which was not destroyed from within ever perished by
external affection of evil. The body, which is one thing, 610 cannot be
destroyed by food, which is another, unless the badness of the food is
communicated to the body. Neither can the soul, which is one thing, be
corrupted by the body, which is another, unless she herself is infected. And
as no bodily evil can infect the soul, neither can any bodily evil, whether
disease or violence, or any other destroy the soul, unless it can be shown to
render her unholy and unjust. But no one will ever prove that the souls of
men become more unjust when they die. If a person has the audacity to say
the contrary, the answer is—Then why do criminals require the hand of the
executioner, and not die of themselves? ‘Truly,’ he said, ‘injustice would not
be very terrible if it brought a cessation of evil; but I rather believe that the
injustice which murders others may tend to quicken and stimulate the life of
the unjust.’ You are quite right. If sin which is her own natural and inherent
evil cannot destroy the soul, hardly will anything else destroy her. 611 But
the soul which cannot be destroyed either by internal or external evil must
be immortal and everlasting. And if this be true, souls will always exist in
the same number. They cannot diminish, because they cannot be destroyed;
nor yet increase, for the increase of the immortal must come from
something clii mortal, and so all would end in immortality. Neither is the
soul variable and diverse; for that which is immortal must be of the fairest
and simplest composition. If we would conceive her truly, and so behold
justice and injustice in their own nature, she must be viewed by the light of
reason pure as at birth, or as she is reflected in philosophy when holding
converse with the divine and immortal and eternal. In her present condition
we see her only like the sea-god Glaucus, bruised and maimed in the sea
which is the world, 612 and covered with shells and stones which are
incrusted upon her from the entertainments of earth.
Thus far, as the argument required, we have said nothing of the rewards
and honours which the poets attribute to justice; we have contented
ourselves with showing that justice in herself is best for the soul in herself,
even if a man should put on a Gyges’ ring and have the helmet of Hades
too. And now you shall repay me what you borrowed; and I will enumerate
the rewards of justice in life and after death. I granted, for the sake of
argument, as you will remember, that evil might perhaps escape the
knowledge of Gods and men, although this was really impossible. And
since I have shown that justice has reality, you must grant me also that she
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Gods, 613 and he is therefore the friend of the Gods, and he will receive at
their hands every good, always excepting such evil as is the necessary
consequence of former sins. All things end in good to him, either in life or
after death, even what appears to be evil; for the Gods have a care of him
who desires to be in their likeness. And what shall we say of men? Is not
honesty the best policy? The clever rogue makes a great start at first, but
breaks down before he reaches the goal, and slinks away in dishonour;
whereas the true runner perseveres to the end, and receives the prize. And
you must allow me to repeat all the blessings which you attributed to the
fortunate unjust—they bear rule in the city, they marry and give in marriage
to whom they will; and the evils which you attributed to the unfortunate
just, do really fall in the end on the unjust, although, as you implied, their
sufferings are better veiled in silence.
614 But all the blessings of this present life are as nothing when cliii
compared with those which await good men after death. ‘I should like to
hear about them.’ Come, then, and I will tell you the story of Er, the son of
Armenius, a valiant man. He was supposed to have died in battle, but ten
days afterwards his body was found untouched by corruption and sent home
for burial. On the twelfth day he was placed on the funeral pyre and there he
came to life again, and told what he had seen in the world below. He said
that his soul went with a great company to a place, in which there were two
chasms near together in the earth beneath, and two corresponding chasms in
the heaven above. And there were judges sitting in the intermediate space,
bidding the just ascend by the heavenly way on the right hand, having the
seal of their judgment set upon them before, while the unjust, having the
seal behind, were bidden to descend by the way on the left hand. Him they
told to look and listen, as he was to be their messenger to men from the
world below. And he beheld and saw the souls departing after judgment at
either chasm; some who came from earth, were worn and travel-stained;
others, who came from heaven, were clean and bright. They seemed glad to
meet and rest awhile in the meadow; here they discoursed with one another
of what they had seen in the other world. 615 Those who came from earth
wept at the remembrance of their sorrows, but the spirits from above spoke
of glorious sights and heavenly bliss. He said that for every evil deed they
were punished tenfold—now the journey was of a thousand years’ duration,
because the life of man was reckoned as a hundred years—and the rewards
of virtue were in the same proportion. He added something hardly worth
repeating about infants dying almost as soon as they were born. Of
parricides and other murderers he had tortures still more terrible to narrate.
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Great? (This Ardiaeus was a cruel tyrant, who had murdered his father, and
his elder brother, a thousand years before.) Another spirit answered, ‘He
comes not hither, and will never come. And I myself,’ he added, ‘actually
saw this terrible sight. At the entrance of the chasm, as we were about to
reascend, Ardiaeus appeared, and some other sinners—most of whom had
been tyrants, but not all—and just as they fancied that they were returning
to life, the chasm gave a roar, 616 and then wild, fiery-looking men who
knew the cliv meaning of the sound, seized him and several others, and
bound them hand and foot and threw them down, and dragged them along at
the side of the road, lacerating them and carding them like wool, and
explaining to the passers-by, that they were going to be cast into hell.’ The
greatest terror of the pilgrims ascending was lest they should hear the voice,
and when there was silence one by one they passed up with joy. To these
sufferings there were corresponding delights.
On the eighth day the souls of the pilgrims resumed their journey, and in
four days came to a spot whence they looked down upon a line of light, in
colour like a rainbow, only brighter and clearer. One day more brought them
to the place, and they saw that this was the column of light which binds
together the whole universe. The ends of the column were fastened to
heaven, and from them hung the distaff of Necessity, on which all the
heavenly bodies turned—the hook and spindle were of adamant, and the
whorl of a mixed substance. The whorl was in form like a number of boxes
fitting into one another with their edges turned upwards, making together a
single whorl which was pierced by the spindle. The outermost had the rim
broadest, and the inner whorls were smaller and smaller, and had their rims
narrower. The largest (the fixed stars) was spangled—the seventh (the sun)
was brightest—the eighth (the moon) shone by the light of the seventh—
617 the second and fifth (Saturn and Mercury) were most like one another
and yellower than the eighth—the third (Jupiter) had the whitest light—the
fourth (Mars) was red—the sixth (Venus) was in whiteness second. The
whole had one motion, but while this was revolving in one direction the
seven inner circles were moving in the opposite, with various degrees of
swiftness and slowness. The spindle turned on the knees of Necessity, and a
Siren stood hymning upon each circle, while Lachesis, Clotho, and Atropos,
the daughters of Necessity, sat on thrones at equal intervals, singing of past,
present, and future, responsive to the music of the Sirens; Clotho from time
to time guiding the outer circle with a touch of her right hand; Atropos with
her left hand touching and guiding the inner circles; Lachesis in turn putting
forth her hand from time to time to guide both of them. On their arrival the
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and taking from her clv knees lots, and samples of lives, got up into a pulpit
and said: ‘Mortal souls, hear the words of Lachesis, the daughter of
Necessity. A new period of mortal life has begun, and you may choose what
divinity you please; the responsibility of choosing is with you—God is
blameless.’ 618 After speaking thus, he cast the lots among them and each
one took up the lot which fell near him. He then placed on the ground
before them the samples of lives, many more than the souls present; and
there were all sorts of lives, of men and of animals. There were tyrannies
ending in misery and exile, and lives of men and women famous for their
different qualities; and also mixed lives, made up of wealth and poverty,
sickness and health. Here, Glaucon, is the great risk of human life, and
therefore the whole of education should be directed to the acquisition of
such a knowledge as will teach a man to refuse the evil and choose the
good. He should know all the combinations which occur in life—of beauty
with poverty or with wealth,—of knowledge with external goods,—and at
last choose with reference to the nature of the soul, regarding that only as
the better life which makes men better, and leaving the rest. And 619 a man
must take with him an iron sense of truth and right into the world below,
that there too he may remain undazzled by wealth or the allurements of evil,
and be determined to avoid the extremes and choose the mean. For this, as
the messenger reported the interpreter to have said, is the true happiness of
man; and any one, as he proclaimed, may, if he choose with understanding,
have a good lot, even though he come last. ‘Let not the first be careless in
his choice, nor the last despair.’ He spoke; and when he had spoken, he who
had drawn the first lot chose a tyranny: he did not see that he was fated to
devour his own children—and when he discovered his mistake, he wept and
beat his breast, blaming chance and the Gods and anybody rather than
himself. He was one of those who had come from heaven, and in his
previous life had been a citizen of a well-ordered State, but he had only
habit and no philosophy. Like many another, he made a bad choice, because
he had no experience of life; whereas those who came from earth and had
seen trouble were not in such a hurry to choose. But if a man had followed
philosophy while upon earth, and had been moderately fortunate in his lot,
he might not only be happy here, but his pilgrimage both from and clvi to
this world would be smooth and heavenly. Nothing was more curious than
the spectacle of the choice, at once sad and laughable and wonderful; most
of the souls only seeking to avoid their own condition in a previous life.
620 He saw the soul of Orpheus changing into a swan because he would
not be born of a woman; there was Thamyras becoming a nightingale;
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was that of Ajax, preferring the life of a lion to that of a man, in
remembrance of the injustice which was done to him in the judgment of the
arms; and Agamemnon, from a like enmity to human nature, passing into an
eagle. About the middle was the soul of Atalanta choosing the honours of an
athlete, and next to her Epeus taking the nature of a workwoman; among the
last was Thersites, who was changing himself into a monkey. Thither, the
last of all, came Odysseus, and sought the lot of a private man, which lay
neglected and despised, and when he found it he went away rejoicing, and
said that if he had been first instead of last, his choice would have been the
same. Men, too, were seen passing into animals, and wild and tame animals
changing into one another.
When all the souls had chosen they went to Lachesis, who sent with each
of them their genius or attendant to fulfil their lot. He first of all brought
them under the hand of Clotho, and drew them within the revolution of the
spindle impelled by her hand; from her they were carried to Atropos, who
made the threads irreversible; 621 whence, without turning round, they
passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they had all passed, they
moved on in scorching heat to the plain of Forgetfulness and rested at
evening by the river Unmindful, whose water could not be retained in any
vessel; of this they had all to drink a certain quantity—some of them drank
more than was required, and he who drank forgot all things. Er himself was
prevented from drinking. When they had gone to rest, about the middle of
the night there were thunderstorms and earthquakes, and suddenly they
were all driven divers ways, shooting like stars to their birth. Concerning
his return to the body, he only knew that awaking suddenly in the morning
he found himself lying on the pyre.
Thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved, and will be our salvation, if we
believe that the soul is immortal, and hold fast to the clvii heavenly way of
Justice and Knowledge. So shall we pass undefiled over the river of
Forgetfulness, and be dear to ourselves and to the Gods, and have a crown
of reward and happiness both in this world and also in the millennial
pilgrimage of the other.

Republic X.
INTRODUCTION. The Tenth Book of the Republic of Plato falls into two
divisions: first, resuming an old thread which has been interrupted, Socrates
assails the poets, who, now that the nature of the soul has been analyzed,
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reality of the happiness of the just, he demands that appearance shall be
restored to him, and then proceeds to prove the immortality of the soul. The
argument, as in the Phaedo and Gorgias, is supplemented by the vision of a
future life.

Why Plato, who was himself a poet, and whose dialogues are poems and
dramas, should have been hostile to the poets as a class, and especially to
the dramatic poets; why he should not have seen that truth may be
embodied in verse as well as in prose, and that there are some indefinable
lights and shadows of human life which can only be expressed in poetry—
some elements of imagination which always entwine with reason; why he
should have supposed epic verse to be inseparably associated with the
impurities of the old Hellenic mythology; why he should try Homer and
Hesiod by the unfair and prosaic test of utility,—are questions which have
always been debated amongst students of Plato. Though unable to give a
complete answer to them, we may show—first, that his views arose
naturally out of the circumstances of his age; and secondly, we may elicit
the truth as well as the error which is contained in them.
He is the enemy of the poets because poetry was declining in his own
lifetime, and a theatrocracy, as he says in the Laws (iii. 701 A), had taken
the place of an intellectual aristocracy. Euripides exhibited the last phase of
the tragic drama, and in him Plato saw the friend and apologist of tyrants,
and the Sophist of tragedy. The old comedy was almost extinct; the new had
not yet arisen. Dramatic and lyric poetry, like every other branch of Greek
literature, was falling under the power of rhetoric. There was no ‘second or
third’ to Æschylus and clviii Sophocles in the generation which followed
them. Aristophanes, in one of his later comedies (Frogs, 89 foll.), speaks of
‘thousands of tragedy-making prattlers,’ whose attempts at poetry he
compares to the chirping of swallows; ‘their garrulity went far beyond
Euripides,’—‘they appeared once upon the stage, and there was an end of
them.’ To a man of genius who had a real appreciation of the godlike
Æschylus and the noble and gentle Sophocles, though disagreeing with
some parts of their ‘theology’ (Rep. ii. 380), these ‘minor poets’ must have
been contemptible and intolerable. There is no feeling stronger in the
dialogues of Plato than a sense of the decline and decay both in literature
and in politics which marked his own age. Nor can he have been expected
to look with favour on the licence of Aristophanes, now at the end of his
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spirit forty years afterwards had satirized the founders of ideal
commonwealths in his Eccleziazusae, or Female Parliament (cp. x. 606 C,
and Laws ii. 658 ff.; 817).
There were other reasons for the antagonism of Plato to poetry. The
profession of an actor was regarded by him as a degradation of human
nature, for ‘one man in his life’ cannot ‘play many parts;’ the characters
which the actor performs seem to destroy his own character, and to leave
nothing which can be truly called himself. Neither can any man live his life
and act it. The actor is the slave of his art, not the master of it. Taking this
view Plato is more decided in his expulsion of the dramatic than of the epic
poets, though he must have known that the Greek tragedians afforded noble
lessons and examples of virtue and patriotism, to which nothing in Homer
can be compared. But great dramatic or even great rhetorical power is
hardly consistent with firmness or strength of mind, and dramatic talent is
often incidentally associated with a weak or dissolute character.
In the Tenth Book Plato introduces a new series of objections. First, he
says that the poet or painter is an imitator, and in the third degree removed
from the truth. His creations are not tested by rule and measure; they are
only appearances. In modern times we should say that art is not merely
imitation, but rather the expression of the ideal in forms of sense. Even
adopting the humble image of Plato, from which his argument derives a
colour, we should maintain that the artist clix may ennoble the bed which he
paints by the folds of the drapery, or by the feeling of home which he
introduces; and there have been modern painters who have imparted such
an ideal interest to a blacksmith’s or a carpenter’s shop. The eye or mind
which feels as well as sees can give dignity and pathos to a ruined mill, or a
straw-built shed [Rembrandt], to the hull of a vessel ‘going to its last home’
[Turner]. Still more would this apply to the greatest works of art, which
seem to be the visible embodiment of the divine. Had Plato been asked
whether the Zeus or Athene of Pheidias was the imitation of an imitation
only, would he not have been compelled to admit that something more was
to be found in them than in the form of any mortal; and that the rule of
proportion to which they conformed was ‘higher far than any geometry or
arithmetic could express?’ (Statesman, 257 A.)
Again, Plato objects to the imitative arts that they express the emotional
rather than the rational part of human nature. He does not admit Aristotle’s
theory, that tragedy or other serious imitations are a purgation of the
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of indulging them. Yet we must acknowledge that we may sometimes cure
disordered emotions by giving expression to them; and that they often gain
strength when pent up within our own breast. It is not every indulgence of
the feelings which is to be condemned. For there may be a gratification of
the higher as well as of the lower—thoughts which are too deep or too sad
to be expressed by ourselves, may find an utterance in the words of poets.
Every one would acknowledge that there have been times when they were
consoled and elevated by beautiful music or by the sublimity of architecture
or by the peacefulness of nature. Plato has himself admitted, in the earlier
part of the Republic, that the arts might have the effect of harmonizing as
well as of enervating the mind; but in the Tenth Book he regards them
through a Stoic or Puritan medium. He asks only ‘What good have they
done?’ and is not satisfied with the reply, that ‘They have given innocent
pleasure to mankind.’
He tells us that he rejoices in the banishment of the poets, since he has
found by the analysis of the soul that they are concerned with the inferior
faculties. He means to say that clx the higher faculties have to do with
universals, the lower with particulars of sense. The poets are on a level with
their own age, but not on a level with Socrates and Plato; and he was well
aware that Homer and Hesiod could not be made a rule of life by any
process of legitimate interpretation; his ironical use of them is in fact a
denial of their authority; he saw, too, that the poets were not critics—as he
says in the Apology, ‘Any one was a better interpreter of their writings than
they were themselves’ (22 C). He himself ceased to be a poet when he
became a disciple of Socrates; though, as he tells us of Solon, ‘he might
have been one of the greatest of them, if he had not been deterred by other
pursuits’ (Tim. 21 C) Thus from many points of view there is an antagonism
between Plato and the poets, which was foreshadowed to him in the old
quarrel between philosophy and poetry. The poets, as he says in the
Protagoras (316 E), were the Sophists of their day; and his dislike of the one
class is reflected on the other. He regards them both as the enemies of
reasoning and abstraction, though in the case of Euripides more with
reference to his immoral sentiments about tyrants and the like. For Plato is
the prophet who ‘came into the world to convince men’—first of the
fallibility of sense and opinion, and secondly of the reality of abstract ideas.
Whatever strangeness there may be in modern times in opposing philosophy
to poetry, which to us seem to have so many elements in common, the
strangeness will disappear if we conceive of poetry as allied to sense, and of
philosophy as equivalent to thought and abstraction. Unfortunately the very
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associated in our minds with an element of subjectiveness and unreality. We
may note also how he differs from Aristotle who declares poetry to be truer
than history, for the opposite reason, because it is concerned with
universals, not like history, with particulars (Poet. c. 9, 3).
The things which are seen are opposed in Scripture to the things which
are unseen—they are equally opposed in Plato to universals and ideas. To
him all particulars appear to be floating about in a world of sense; they have
a taint of error or even of evil. There is no difficulty in seeing that this is an
illusion; for there is no more error or variation in an individual man, horse,
clxi bed, etc., than in the class man, horse, bed, etc.; nor is the truth which is
displayed in individual instances less certain than that which is conveyed
through the medium of ideas. But Plato, who is deeply impressed with the
real importance of universals as instruments of thought, attributes to them
an essential truth which is imaginary and unreal; for universals may be
often false and particulars true. Had he attained to any clear conception of
the individual, which is the synthesis of the universal and the particular; or
had he been able to distinguish between opinion and sensation, which the
ambiguity of the words δόξα, φαίνεσθαι, εἰκὸς and the like, tended to
confuse, he would not have denied truth to the particulars of sense.
But the poets are also the representatives of falsehood and feigning in all
departments of life and knowledge, like the sophists and rhetoricians of the
Gorgias and Phaedrus; they are the false priests, false prophets, lying spirits,
enchanters of the world. There is another count put into the indictment
against them by Plato, that they are the friends of the tyrant, and bask in the
sunshine of his patronage. Despotism in all ages has had an apparatus of
false ideas and false teachers at its service—in the history of Modern
Europe as well as of Greece and Rome. For no government of men depends
solely upon force; without some corruption of literature and morals—some
appeal to the imagination of the masses—some pretence to the favour of
heaven—some element of good giving power to evil (cp. i. 352), tyranny,
even for a short time, cannot be maintained. The Greek tyrants were not
insensible to the importance of awakening in their cause a Pseudo-Hellenic
feeling; they were proud of successes at the Olympic games; they were not
devoid of the love of literature and art. Plato is thinking in the first instance
of Greek poets who had graced the courts of Dionysius or Archelaus: and
the old spirit of freedom is roused within him at their prostitution of the
Tragic Muse in the praises of tyranny. But his prophetic eye extends beyond
them to the false teachers of other ages who are the creatures of the
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contemporaries with the idea of a perfect society, and gathers up into one
mass of evil the evils and errors of mankind; to him they are personified in
the clxii rhetoricians, sophists, poets, rulers who deceive and govern the
world.
A further objection which Plato makes to poetry and the imitative arts is
that they excite the emotions. Here the modern reader will be disposed to
introduce a distinction which appears to have escaped him. For the
emotions are neither bad nor good in themselves, and are not most likely to
be controlled by the attempt to eradicate them, but by the moderate
indulgence of them. And the vocation of art is to present thought in the form
of feeling, to enlist the feelings on the side of reason, to inspire even for a
moment courage or resignation; perhaps to suggest a sense of infinity and
eternity in a way which mere language is incapable of attaining. True, the
same power which in the purer age of art embodies gods and heroes only,
may be made to express the voluptuous image of a Corinthian courtezan.
But this only shows that art, like other outward things, may be turned to
good and also to evil, and is not more closely connected with the higher
than with the lower part of the soul. All imitative art is subject to certain
limitations, and therefore necessarily partakes of the nature of a
compromise. Something of ideal truth is sacrificed for the sake of the
representation, and something in the exactness of the representation is
sacrificed to the ideal. Still, works of art have a permanent element; they
idealize and detain the passing thought, and are the intermediates between
sense and ideas.
In the present stage of the human mind, poetry and other forms of fiction
may certainly be regarded as a good. But we can also imagine the existence
of an age in which a severer conception of truth has either banished or
transformed them. At any rate we must admit that they hold a different
place at different periods of the world’s history. In the infancy of mankind,
poetry, with the exception of proverbs, is the whole of literature, and the
only instrument of intellectual culture; in modern times she is the shadow or
echo of her former self, and appears to have a precarious existence. Milton
in his day doubted whether an epic poem was any longer possible. At the
same time we must remember, that what Plato would have called the
charms of poetry have been partly transferred clxiii to prose; he himself
(Statesman 304) admits rhetoric to be the handmaiden of Politics, and
proposes to find in the strain of law (Laws vii. 811) a substitute for the old
poets. Among ourselves the creative power seems often to be growing
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mind than formerly. The illusion of the feelings commonly called love, has
hitherto been the inspiring influence of modern poetry and romance, and
has exercised a humanizing if not a strengthening influence on the world.
But may not the stimulus which love has given to fancy be some day
exhausted? The modern English novel which is the most popular of all
forms of reading is not more than a century or two old: will the tale of love
a hundred years hence, after so many thousand variations of the same
theme, be still received with unabated interest?
Art cannot claim to be on a level with philosophy or religion, and may
often corrupt them. It is possible to conceive a mental state in which all
artistic representations are regarded as a false and imperfect expression,
either of the religious ideal or of the philosophical ideal. The fairest forms
may be revolting in certain moods of mind, as is proved by the fact that the
Mahometans, and many sects of Christians, have renounced the use of
pictures and images. The beginning of a great religion, whether Christian or
Gentile, has not been ‘wood or stone,’ but a spirit moving in the hearts of
men. The disciples have met in a large upper room or in ‘holes and caves of
the earth’; in the second or third generation, they have had mosques,
temples, churches, monasteries. And the revival or reform of religions, like
the first revelation of them, has come from within and has generally
disregarded external ceremonies and accompaniments.
But poetry and art may also be the expression of the highest truth and the
purest sentiment. Plato himself seems to waver between two opposite views
—when, as in the third Book, he insists that youth should be brought up
amid wholesome imagery; and again in Book x, when he banishes the poets
from his Republic. Admitting that the arts, which some of us almost deify,
have fallen short of their higher aim, we must admit on the other hand that
to banish imagination wholly would be suicidal clxiv as well as impossible.
For nature too is a form of art; and a breath of the fresh air or a single
glance at the varying landscape would in an instant revive and reillumine
the extinguished spark of poetry in the human breast. In the lower stages of
civilization imagination more than reason distinguishes man from the
animals; and to banish art would be to banish thought, to banish language,
to banish the expression of all truth. No religion is wholly devoid of
external forms; even the Mahometan who renounces the use of pictures and
images has a temple in which he worships the Most High, as solemn and
beautiful as any Greek or Christian building. Feeling too and thought are
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the highest thoughts, when they become familiarized to us, are always
tending to pass into the form of feeling.
Plato does not seriously intend to expel poets from life and society. But
he feels strongly the unreality of their writings; he is protesting against the
degeneracy of poetry in his own day as we might protest against the want of
serious purpose in modern fiction, against the unseemliness or extravagance
of some of our poets or novelists, against the time-serving of preachers or
public writers, against the regardlessness of truth which to the eye of the
philosopher seems to characterize the greater part of the world. For we too
have reason to complain that our poets and novelists ‘paint inferior truth’
and ‘are concerned with the inferior part of the soul’; that the readers of
them become what they read and are injuriously affected by them. And we
look in vain for that healthy atmosphere of which Plato speaks,—‘the
beauty which meets the sense like a breeze and imperceptibly draws the
soul, even in childhood, into harmony with the beauty of reason.’
For there might be a poetry which would be the hymn of divine
perfection, the harmony of goodness and truth among men: a strain which
should renew the youth of the world, and bring back the ages in which the
poet was man’s only teacher and best friend,—which would find materials
in the living present as well as in the romance of the past, and might subdue
to the fairest forms of speech and verse the intractable materials of modern
civilisation,—which might elicit the simple principles, or, as Plato clxv
would have called them, the essential forms, of truth and justice out of the
variety of opinion and the complexity of modern society,—which would
preserve all the good of each generation and leave the bad unsung,—which
should be based not on vain longings or faint imaginings, but on a clear
insight into the nature of man. Then the tale of love might begin again in
poetry or prose, two in one, united in the pursuit of knowledge, or the
service of God and man; and feelings of love might still be the incentive to
great thoughts and heroic deeds as in the days of Dante or Petrarch; and
many types of manly and womanly beauty might appear among us, rising
above the ordinary level of humanity, and many lives which were like
poems (Laws vii. 817 B), be not only written, but lived by us. A few such
strains have been heard among men in the tragedies of Æschylus and
Sophocles, whom Plato quotes, not, as Homer is quoted by him, in irony,
but with deep and serious approval,—in the poetry of Milton and
Wordsworth, and in passages of other English poets,—first and above all in
the Hebrew prophets and psalmists. Shakespeare has taught us how great
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and depth; he has ennobled the human mind, but, like Homer (Rep. x. 599
foll.), he ‘has left no way of life.’ The next greatest poet of modern times,
Goethe, is concerned with ‘a lower degree of truth’; he paints the world as a
stage on which ‘all the men and women are merely players’; he cultivates
life as an art, but he furnishes no ideals of truth and action. The poet may
rebel against any attempt to set limits to his fancy; and he may argue truly
that moralizing in verse is not poetry. Possibly, like Mephistopheles in
Faust, he may retaliate on his adversaries. But the philosopher will still be
justified in asking, ‘How may the heavenly gift of poesy be devoted to the
good of mankind?’
Returning to Plato, we may observe that a similar mixture of truth and
error appears in other parts of the argument. He is aware of the absurdity of
mankind framing their whole lives according to Homer; just as in the
Phaedrus he intimates the absurdity of interpreting mythology upon rational
principles; both these were the modern tendencies of his own age, which he
deservedly ridicules. On the other hand, his argument that clxvi Homer, if he
had been able to teach mankind anything worth knowing, would not have
been allowed by them to go about begging as a rhapsodist, is both false and
contrary to the spirit of Plato (cp. Rep. vi. 489 A foll.). It may be compared
with those other paradoxes of the Gorgias, that ‘No statesman was ever
unjustly put to death by the city of which he was the head’; and that ‘No
Sophist was ever defrauded by his pupils’ (Gorg. 509 foll.)….
The argument for immortality seems to rest on the absolute dualism of
soul and body. Admitting the existence of the soul, we know of no force
which is able to put an end to her. Vice is her own proper evil; and if she
cannot be destroyed by that, she cannot be destroyed by any other. Yet Plato
has acknowledged that the soul may be so overgrown by the incrustations of
earth as to lose her original form; and in the Timaeus he recognizes more
strongly than in the Republic the influence which the body has over the
mind, denying even the voluntariness of human actions, on the ground that
they proceed from physical states (Tim. 86, 87). In the Republic, as
elsewhere, he wavers between the original soul which has to be restored,
and the character which is developed by training and education….
The vision of another world is ascribed to Er, the son of Armenius, who
is said by Clement of Alexandria to have been Zoroaster. The tale has
certainly an oriental character, and may be compared with the pilgrimages
of the soul in the Zend Avesta (cp. Haug, Avesta, p. 197). But no trace of
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there is no reason for giving him the name of Er the Pamphylian. The
philosophy of Heracleitus cannot be shown to be borrowed from Zoroaster,
and still less the myths of Plato.
The local arrangement of the vision is less distinct than that of the
Phaedrus and Phaedo. Astronomy is mingled with symbolism and
mythology; the great sphere of heaven is represented under the symbol of a
cylinder or box, containing the seven orbits of the planets and the fixed
stars; this is suspended from an axis or spindle which turns on the knees of
Necessity; the revolutions of the seven orbits contained in the cylinder are
guided by the fates, and their harmonious motion produces clxvii the music
of the spheres. Through the innermost or eighth of these, which is the moon,
is passed the spindle; but it is doubtful whether this is the continuation of
the column of light, from which the pilgrims contemplate the heavens; the
words of Plato imply that they are connected, but not the same. The column
itself is clearly not of adamant. The spindle (which is of adamant) is
fastened to the ends of the chains which extend to the middle of the column
of light—this column is said to hold together the heaven; but whether it
hangs from the spindle, or is at right angles to it, is not explained. The
cylinder containing the orbits of the stars is almost as much a symbol as the
figure of Necessity turning the spindle;—for the outermost rim is the sphere
of the fixed stars, and nothing is said about the intervals of space which
divide the paths of the stars in the heavens. The description is both a picture
and an orrery, and therefore is necessarily inconsistent with itself. The
column of light is not the Milky Way—which is neither straight, nor like a
rainbow—but the imaginary axis of the earth. This is compared to the
rainbow in respect not of form but of colour, and not to the undergirders of
a trireme, but to the straight rope running from prow to stern in which the
undergirders meet.
The orrery or picture of the heavens given in the Republic differs in its
mode of representation from the circles of the same and of the other in the
Timaeus. In both the fixed stars are distinguished from the planets, and they
move in orbits without them, although in an opposite direction: in the
Republic as in the Timaeus (40 B) they are all moving round the axis of the
world. But we are not certain that in the former they are moving round the
earth. No distinct mention is made in the Republic of the circles of the same
and other; although both in the Timaeus and in the Republic the motion of
the fixed stars is supposed to coincide with the motion of the whole. The
relative thickness of the rims is perhaps designed to express the relative
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which Er and his companions are viewing the heavens, as stationary in
place; but whether or not herself revolving, unless this is implied in the
revolution of the axis, is uncertain (cp. Timaeus). The spectator clxviii may
be supposed to look at the heavenly bodies, either from above or below. The
earth is a sort of earth and heaven in one, like the heaven of the Phaedrus,
on the back of which the spectator goes out to take a peep at the stars and is
borne round in the revolution. There is no distinction between the equator
and the ecliptic. But Plato is no doubt led to imagine that the planets have
an opposite motion to that of the fixed stars, in order to account for their
appearances in the heavens. In the description of the meadow, and the
retribution of the good and evil after death, there are traces of Homer.
The description of the axis as a spindle, and of the heavenly bodies as
forming a whole, partly arises out of the attempt to connect the motions of
the heavenly bodies with the mythological image of the web, or weaving of
the Fates. The giving of the lots, the weaving of them, and the making of
them irreversible, which are ascribed to the three Fates—Lachesis, Clotho,
Atropos, are obviously derived from their names. The element of chance in
human life is indicated by the order of the lots. But chance, however
adverse, may be overcome by the wisdom of man, if he knows how to
choose aright; there is a worse enemy to man than chance; this enemy is
himself. He who was moderately fortunate in the number of the lot—even
the very last comer—might have a good life if he chose with wisdom. And
as Plato does not like to make an assertion which is unproven, he more than
confirms this statement a few sentences afterwards by the example of
Odysseus, who chose last. But the virtue which is founded on habit is not
sufficient to enable a man to choose; he must add to virtue knowledge, if he
is to act rightly when placed in new circumstances. The routine of good
actions and good habits is an inferior sort of goodness; and, as Coleridge
says, ‘Common sense is intolerable which is not based on metaphysics,’ so
Plato would have said, ‘Habit is worthless which is not based upon
philosophy.’
The freedom of the will to refuse the evil and to choose the good is
distinctly asserted. ‘Virtue is free, and as a man honours or dishonours her
he will have more or less of her.’ The life of man is ‘rounded’ by necessity;
there are circumstances prior to birth which affect him (cp. Pol. 273 B). But
within the walls of necessity there is an open space in which he is his own
master, clxix and can study for himself the effects which the variously
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accordingly. All men cannot have the first choice in everything. But the lot
of all men is good enough, if they choose wisely and will live diligently.
The verisimilitude which is given to the pilgrimage of a thousand years,
by the intimation that Ardiaeus had lived a thousand years before; the
coincidence of Er coming to life on the twelfth day after he was supposed to
have been dead with the seven days which the pilgrims passed in the
meadow, and the four days during which they journeyed to the column of
light; the precision with which the soul is mentioned who chose the
twentieth lot; the passing remarks that there was no definite character
among the souls, and that the souls which had chosen ill blamed any one
rather than themselves; or that some of the souls drank more than was
necessary of the waters of Forgetfulness, while Er himself was hindered
from drinking; the desire of Odysseus to rest at last, unlike the conception
of him in Dante and Tennyson; the feigned ignorance of how Er returned to
the body, when the other souls went shooting like stars to their birth,—add
greatly to the probability of the narrative. They are such touches of nature
as the art of Defoe might have introduced when he wished to win credibility
for marvels and apparitions.

Republic.
INTRODUCTION. There still remain to be considered some points which have
been intentionally reserved to the end: (I) the Janus-like character of the
Republic, which presents two faces—one an Hellenic state, the other a
kingdom of philosophers. Connected with the latter of the two aspects are
(II) the paradoxes of the Republic, as they have been termed by
Morgenstern: (α) the community of property; (β) of families; (γ) the rule of
philosophers; (δ) the analogy of the individual and the State, which, like
some other analogies in the Republic, is carried too far. We may then
proceed to consider (III) the subject of education as conceived by Plato,
bringing together in a general view the education of youth and the education
of after-life; (IV) we may note further some essential differences between
ancient and modern politics which are suggested by the Republic; clxx (V)
we may compare the Politicus and the Laws; (VI) we may observe the
influence exercised by Plato on his imitators; and (VII) take occasion to
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I. Plato expressly says that he is intending to found an Hellenic State
(Book v. 470 E). Many of his regulations are characteristically Spartan;
such as the prohibition of gold and silver, the common meals of the men,
the military training of the youth, the gymnastic exercises of the women.
The life of Sparta was the life of a camp (Laws ii. 666 E), enforced even
more rigidly in time of peace than in war; the citizens of Sparta, like Plato’s,
were forbidden to trade—they were to be soldiers and not shopkeepers.
Nowhere else in Greece was the individual so completely subjected to the
State; the time when he was to marry, the education of his children, the
clothes which he was to wear, the food which he was to eat, were all
prescribed by law. Some of the best enactments in the Republic, such as the
reverence to be paid to parents and elders, and some of the worst, such as
the exposure of deformed children, are borrowed from the practice of
Sparta. The encouragement of friendships between men and youths, or of
men with one another, as affording incentives to bravery, is also Spartan; in
Sparta too a nearer approach was made than in any other Greek State to
equality of the sexes, and to community of property; and while there was
probably less of licentiousness in the sense of immorality, the tie of
marriage was regarded more lightly than in the rest of Greece. The
‘suprema lex’ was the preservation of the family, and the interest of the
State. The coarse strength of a military government was not favourable to
purity and refinement; and the excessive strictness of some regulations
seems to have produced a reaction. Of all Hellenes the Spartans were most
accessible to bribery; several of the greatest of them might be described in
the words of Plato as having a ‘fierce secret longing after gold and silver.’
Though not in the strict sense communists, the principle of communism was
maintained among them in their division of lands, in their common meals,
in their slaves, and in the free use of one another’s goods. Marriage was a
public institution: and the women were educated by the State, and sang and
danced in public with the men.
clxxi Many traditions were preserved at Sparta of the severity with which
the magistrates had maintained the primitive rule of music and poetry; as in
the Republic of Plato, the new-fangled poet was to be expelled. Hymns to
the Gods, which are the only kind of music admitted into the ideal State,
were the only kind which was permitted at Sparta. The Spartans, though an
unpoetical race, were nevertheless lovers of poetry; they had been stirred by
the Elegiac strains of Tyrtaeus, they had crowded around Hippias to hear his
recitals of Homer; but in this they resembled the citizens of the timocratic
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corresponds to the Spartan gerousia; and the freedom with which they are
permitted to judge about matters of detail agrees with what we are told of
that institution. Once more, the military rule of not spoiling the dead or
offering arms at the temples; the moderation in the pursuit of enemies; the
importance attached to the physical well-being of the citizens; the use of
warfare for the sake of defence rather than of aggression—are features
probably suggested by the spirit and practice of Sparta.
To the Spartan type the ideal State reverts in the first decline; and the
character of the individual timocrat is borrowed from the Spartan citizen.
The love of Lacedaemon not only affected Plato and Xenophon, but was
shared by many undistinguished Athenians; there they seemed to find a
principle which was wanting in their own democracy. The εὐκοσμία of the
Spartans attracted them, that is to say, not the goodness of their laws, but
the spirit of order and loyalty which prevailed. Fascinated by the idea,
citizens of Athens would imitate the Lacedaemonians in their dress and
manners; they were known to the contemporaries of Plato as ‘the persons
who had their ears bruised,’ like the Roundheads of the Commonwealth.
The love of another church or country when seen at a distance only, the
longing for an imaginary simplicity in civilized times, the fond desire of a
past which never has been, or of a future which never will be,—these are
aspirations of the human mind which are often felt among ourselves. Such
feelings meet with a response in the Republic of Plato.
But there are other features of the Platonic Republic, as, for example, the
literary and philosophical education, and the grace clxxii and beauty of life,
which are the reverse of Spartan. Plato wishes to give his citizens a taste of
Athenian freedom as well as of Lacedaemonian discipline. His individual
genius is purely Athenian, although in theory he is a lover of Sparta; and he
is something more than either—he has also a true Hellenic feeling. He is
desirous of humanizing the wars of Hellenes against one another; he
acknowledges that the Delphian God is the grand hereditary interpreter of
all Hellas. The spirit of harmony and the Dorian mode are to prevail, and
the whole State is to have an external beauty which is the reflex of the
harmony within. But he has not yet found out the truth which he afterwards
enunciated in the Laws (i. 628 D)—that he was a better legislator who made
men to be of one mind, than he who trained them for war. The citizens, as in
other Hellenic States, democratic as well as aristocratic, are really an upper
class; for, although no mention is made of slaves, the lower classes are
allowed to fade away into the distance, and are represented in the individual
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are harmonized, or of a federation of Hellas or the world in which different
nations or States have a place. His city is equipped for war rather than for
peace, and this would seem to be justified by the ordinary condition of
Hellenic States. The myth of the earth-born men is an embodiment of the
orthodox tradition of Hellas, and the allusion to the four ages of the world is
also sanctioned by the authority of Hesiod and the poets. Thus we see that
the Republic is partly founded on the ideal of the old Greek polis, partly on
the actual circumstances of Hellas in that age. Plato, like the old painters,
retains the traditional form, and like them he has also a vision of a city in
the clouds.
There is yet another thread which is interwoven in the texture of the
work; for the Republic is not only a Dorian State, but a Pythagorean league.
The ‘way of life’ which was connected with the name of Pythagoras, like
the Catholic monastic orders, showed the power which the mind of an
individual might exercise over his contemporaries, and may have naturally
suggested to Plato the possibility of reviving such ‘mediaeval institutions.’
The Pythagoreans, like Plato, enforced a rule of life and a moral and
intellectual training. The influence ascribed to music, which to clxxiii us
seems exaggerated, is also a Pythagorean feature; it is not to be regarded as
representing the real influence of music in the Greek world. More nearly
than any other government of Hellas, the Pythagorean league of three
hundred was an aristocracy of virtue. For once in the history of mankind the
philosophy of order or κόσμος, expressing and consequently enlisting on its
side the combined endeavours of the better part of the people, obtained the
management of public affairs and held possession of it for a considerable
time (until about B.C. 500). Probably only in States prepared by Dorian
institutions would such a league have been possible. The rulers, like Plato’s
φύλακες, were required to submit to a severe training in order to prepare the
way for the education of the other members of the community. Long after
the dissolution of the Order, eminent Pythagoreans, such as Archytas of
Tarentum, retained their political influence over the cities of Magna
Graecia. There was much here that was suggestive to the kindred spirit of
Plato, who had doubtless meditated deeply on the ‘way of life of
Pythagoras’ (Rep. x. 600 B) and his followers. Slight traces of
Pythagoreanism are to be found in the mystical number of the State, in the
number which expresses the interval between the king and the tyrant, in the
doctrine of transmigration, in the music of the spheres, as well as in the
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But as in his philosophy, so also in the form of his State, he goes far
beyond the old Pythagoreans. He attempts a task really impossible, which is
to unite the past of Greek history with the future of philosophy, analogous
to that other impossibility, which has often been the dream of Christendom,
the attempt to unite the past history of Europe with the kingdom of Christ.
Nothing actually existing in the world at all resembles Plato’s ideal State;
nor does he himself imagine that such a State is possible. This he repeats
again and again; e.g. in the Republic (ix. sub fin.), or in the Laws (Book v.
739), where, casting a glance back on the Republic, he admits that the
perfect state of communism and philosophy was impossible in his own age,
though still to be retained as a pattern. The same doubt is implied in the
earnestness with which he argues in the Republic (v. 472 D) that ideals are
none the worse because they cannot be realized in fact, and clxxiv in the
chorus of laughter, which like a breaking wave will, as he anticipates, greet
the mention of his proposals; though like other writers of fiction, he uses all
his art to give reality to his inventions. When asked how the ideal polity can
come into being, he answers ironically, ‘When one son of a king becomes a
philosopher’; he designates the fiction of the earth-born men as ‘a noble
lie’; and when the structure is finally complete, he fairly tells you that his
Republic is a vision only, which in some sense may have reality, but not in
the vulgar one of a reign of philosophers upon earth. It has been said that
Plato flies as well as walks, but this falls short of the truth; for he flies and
walks at the same time, and is in the air and on firm ground in successive
instants.
Niebuhr has asked a trifling question, which may be briefly noticed in
this place—Was Plato a good citizen? If by this is meant, Was he loyal to
Athenian institutions?—he can hardly be said to be the friend of
democracy: but neither is he the friend of any other existing form of
government; all of them he regarded as ‘states of faction’ (Laws viii. 832
C); none attained to his ideal of a voluntary rule over voluntary subjects,
which seems indeed more nearly to describe democracy than any other; and
the worst of them is tyranny. The truth is, that the question has hardly any
meaning when applied to a great philosopher whose writings are not meant
for a particular age and country, but for all time and all mankind. The
decline of Athenian politics was probably the motive which led Plato to
frame an ideal State, and the Republic may be regarded as reflecting the
departing glory of Hellas. As well might we complain of St. Augustine,
whose great work ‘The City of God’ originated in a similar motive, for not
being loyal to the Roman Empire. Even a nearer parallel might be afforded
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because, though ‘subject to the higher powers,’ they were looking forward
to a city which is in heaven.
II. The idea of the perfect State is full of paradox when judged of
according to the ordinary notions of mankind. The paradoxes of one age
have been said to become the commonplaces of the next; but the paradoxes
of Plato are at least as paradoxical to us as they were to his contemporaries.
The clxxv modern world has either sneered at them as absurd, or denounced
them as unnatural and immoral; men have been pleased to find in Aristotle’s
criticisms of them the anticipation of their own good sense. The wealthy
and cultivated classes have disliked and also dreaded them; they have
pointed with satisfaction to the failure of efforts to realize them in practice.
Yet since they are the thoughts of one of the greatest of human intelligences,
and of one who had done most to elevate morality and religion, they seem
to deserve a better treatment at our hands. We may have to address the
public, as Plato does poetry, and assure them that we mean no harm to
existing institutions. There are serious errors which have a side of truth and
which therefore may fairly demand a careful consideration: there are truths
mixed with error of which we may indeed say, ‘The half is better than the
whole.’ Yet ‘the half’ may be an important contribution to the study of
human nature.
(α) The first paradox is the community of goods, which is mentioned
slightly at the end of the third Book, and seemingly, as Aristotle observes, is
confined to the guardians; at least no mention is made of the other classes.
But the omission is not of any real significance, and probably arises out of
the plan of the work, which prevents the writer from entering into details.
Aristotle censures the community of property much in the spirit of
modern political economy, as tending to repress industry, and as doing away
with the spirit of benevolence. Modern writers almost refuse to consider the
subject, which is supposed to have been long ago settled by the common
opinion of mankind. But it must be remembered that the sacredness of
property is a notion far more fixed in modern than in ancient times. The
world has grown older, and is therefore more conservative. Primitive
society offered many examples of land held in common, either by a tribe or
by a township, and such may probably have been the original form of
landed tenure. Ancient legislators had invented various modes of dividing
and preserving the divisions of land among the citizens; according to
Aristotle there were nations who held the land in common and divided the
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in common. The evils of debt and the inequality of property were far greater
in ancient than in modern clxxvi times, and the accidents to which property
was subject from war, or revolution, or taxation, or other legislative
interference, were also greater. All these circumstances gave property a less
fixed and sacred character. The early Christians are believed to have held
their property in common, and the principle is sanctioned by the words of
Christ himself, and has been maintained as a counsel of perfection in almost
all ages of the Church. Nor have there been wanting instances of modern
enthusiasts who have made a religion of communism; in every age of
religious excitement notions like Wycliffe’s ‘inheritance of grace’ have
tended to prevail. A like spirit, but fiercer and more violent, has appeared in
politics. ‘The preparation of the Gospel of peace’ soon becomes the red flag
of Republicanism.
We can hardly judge what effect Plato’s views would have upon his own
contemporaries; they would perhaps have seemed to them only an
exaggeration of the Spartan commonwealth. Even modern writers would
acknowledge that the right of private property is based on expediency, and
may be interfered with in a variety of ways for the public good. Any other
mode of vesting property which was found to be more advantageous, would
in time acquire the same basis of right; ‘the most useful,’ in Plato’s words,
‘would be the most sacred.’ The lawyers and ecclesiastics of former ages
would have spoken of property as a sacred institution. But they only meant
by such language to oppose the greatest amount of resistance to any
invasion of the rights of individuals and of the Church.
When we consider the question, without any fear of immediate
application to practice, in the spirit of Plato’s Republic, are we quite sure
that the received notions of property are the best? Is the distribution of
wealth which is customary in civilized countries the most favourable that
can be conceived for the education and development of the mass of
mankind? Can ‘the spectator of all time and all existence’ be quite
convinced that one or two thousand years hence, great changes will not
have taken place in the rights of property, or even that the very notion of
property, beyond what is necessary for personal maintenance, may not have
disappeared? This was a distinction familiar to Aristotle, though likely to be
laughed at among ourselves. Such a change would not be greater than some
other changes through clxxvii which the world has passed in the transition
from ancient to modern society, for example, the emancipation of the serfs
in Russia, or the abolition of slavery in America and the West Indies; and
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community from the Western world. To accomplish such a revolution in the
course of a few centuries, would imply a rate of progress not more rapid
than has actually taken place during the last fifty or sixty years. The
kingdom of Japan underwent more change in five or six years than Europe
in five or six hundred. Many opinions and beliefs which have been
cherished among ourselves quite as strongly as the sacredness of property
have passed away; and the most untenable propositions respecting the right
of bequests or entail have been maintained with as much fervour as the
most moderate. Some one will be heard to ask whether a state of society can
be final in which the interests of thousands are perilled on the life or
character of a single person. And many will indulge the hope that our
present condition may, after all, be only transitional, and may conduct to a
higher, in which property, besides ministering to the enjoyment of the few,
may also furnish the means of the highest culture to all, and will be a
greater benefit to the public generally, and also more under the control of
public authority. There may come a time when the saying, ‘Have I not a
right to do what I will with my own?’ will appear to be a barbarous relic of
individualism;—when the possession of a part may be a greater blessing to
each and all than the possession of the whole is now to any one.
Such reflections appear visionary to the eye of the practical statesman,
but they are within the range of possibility to the philosopher. He can
imagine that in some distant age or clime, and through the influence of
some individual, the notion of common property may or might have sunk as
deep into the heart of a race, and have become as fixed to them, as private
property is to ourselves. He knows that this latter institution is not more
than four or five thousand years old: may not the end revert to the
beginning? In our own age even Utopias affect the spirit of legislation, and
an abstract idea may exercise a great influence on practical politics.
The objections that would be generally urged against Plato’s community
of property, are the old ones of Aristotle, that motives clxxviii for exertion
would be taken away, and that disputes would arise when each was
dependent upon all. Every man would produce as little and consume as
much as he liked. The experience of civilized nations has hitherto been
adverse to Socialism. The effort is too great for human nature; men try to
live in common, but the personal feeling is always breaking in. On the other
hand it may be doubted whether our present notions of property are not
conventional, for they differ in different countries and in different states of
society. We boast of an individualism which is not freedom, but rather an
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nominally free, but he is also powerless in a world bound hand and foot in
the chains of economic necessity. Even if we cannot expect the mass of
mankind to become disinterested, at any rate we observe in them a power of
organization which fifty years ago would never have been suspected. The
same forces which have revolutionized the political system of Europe, may
effect a similar change in the social and industrial relations of mankind. And
if we suppose the influence of some good as well as neutral motives
working in the community, there will be no absurdity in expecting that the
mass of mankind having power, and becoming enlightened about the higher
possibilities of human life, when they learn how much more is attainable for
all than is at present the possession of a favoured few, may pursue the
common interest with an intelligence and persistency which mankind have
hitherto never seen.
Now that the world has once been set in motion, and is no longer held
fast under the tyranny of custom and ignorance; now that criticism has
pierced the veil of tradition and the past no longer overpowers the present,
—the progress of civilization may be expected to be far greater and swifter
than heretofore. Even at our present rate of speed the point at which we may
arrive in two or three generations is beyond the power of imagination to
foresee. There are forces in the world which work, not in an arithmetical,
but in a geometrical ratio of increase. Education, to use the expression of
Plato, moves like a wheel with an ever-multiplying rapidity. Nor can we say
how great may be its influence, when it becomes universal,—when it has
been inherited by many generations,—when it is freed from the trammels
clxxix of superstition and rightly adapted to the wants and capacities of
different classes of men and women. Neither do we know how much more
the co-operation of minds or of hands may be capable of accomplishing,
whether in labour or in study. The resources of the natural sciences are not
half-developed as yet; the soil of the earth, instead of growing more barren,
may become many times more fertile than hitherto; the uses of machinery
far greater, and also more minute than at present. New secrets of physiology
may be revealed, deeply affecting human nature in its innermost recesses.
The standard of health may be raised and the lives of men prolonged by
sanitary and medical knowledge. There may be peace, there may be leisure,
there may be innocent refreshments of many kinds. The ever-increasing
power of locomotion may join the extremes of earth. There may be
mysterious workings of the human mind, such as occur only at great crises
of history. The East and the West may meet together, and all nations may
contribute their thoughts and their experience to the common stock of
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is better to make an end of them. For such reflections appear to the majority
far-fetched, and to men of science, commonplace.
(β) Neither to the mind of Plato nor of Aristotle did the doctrine of
community of property present at all the same difficulty, or appear to be the
same violation of the common Hellenic sentiment, as the community of
wives and children. This paradox he prefaces by another proposal, that the
occupations of men and women shall be the same, and that to this end they
shall have a common training and education. Male and female animals have
the same pursuits—why not also the two sexes of man?
But have we not here fallen into a contradiction? for we were saying that
different natures should have different pursuits. How then can men and
women have the same? And is not the proposal inconsistent with our notion
of the division of labour?—These objections are no sooner raised than
answered; for, according to Plato, there is no organic difference between
men and women, but only the accidental one that men beget and women
bear children. Following the analogy of the other animals, he contends that
all natural gifts are scattered about indifferently among both sexes, though
there may be a superiority of degree clxxx on the part of the men. The
objection on the score of decency to their taking part in the same gymnastic
exercises, is met by Plato’s assertion that the existing feeling is a matter of
habit.
That Plato should have emancipated himself from the ideas of his own
country and from the example of the East, shows a wonderful independence
of mind. He is conscious that women are half the human race, in some
respects the more important half (Laws vi. 781 B); and for the sake both of
men and women he desires to raise the woman to a higher level of
existence. He brings, not sentiment, but philosophy to bear upon a question
which both in ancient and modern times has been chiefly regarded in the
light of custom or feeling. The Greeks had noble conceptions of
womanhood in the goddesses Athene and Artemis, and in the heroines
Antigone and Andromache. But these ideals had no counterpart in actual
life. The Athenian woman was in no way the equal of her husband; she was
not the entertainer of his guests or the mistress of his house, but only his
housekeeper and the mother of his children. She took no part in military or
political matters; nor is there any instance in the later ages of Greece of a
woman becoming famous in literature. ‘Hers is the greatest glory who has
the least renown among men,’ is the historian’s conception of feminine
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world; she is to be the companion of the man, and to share with him in the
toils of war and in the cares of government. She is to be similarly trained
both in bodily and mental exercises. She is to lose as far as possible the
incidents of maternity and the characteristics of the female sex.
The modern antagonist of the equality of the sexes would argue that the
differences between men and women are not confined to the single point
urged by Plato; that sensibility, gentleness, grace, are the qualities of
women, while energy, strength, higher intelligence, are to be looked for in
men. And the criticism is just: the differences affect the whole nature, and
are not, as Plato supposes, confined to a single point. But neither can we say
how far these differences are due to education and the opinions of mankind,
or physically inherited from the habits and opinions of former generations.
Women have been always taught, not exactly that they are slaves, but that
they are in an inferior clxxxi position, which is also supposed to have
compensating advantages; and to this position they have conformed. It is
also true that the physical form may easily change in the course of
generations through the mode of life; and the weakness or delicacy, which
was once a matter of opinion, may become a physical fact. The
characteristics of sex vary greatly in different countries and ranks of society,
and at different ages in the same individuals. Plato may have been right in
denying that there was any ultimate difference in the sexes of man other
than that which exists in animals, because all other differences may be
conceived to disappear in other states of society, or under different
circumstances of life and training.
The first wave having been passed, we proceed to the second—
community of wives and children. ‘Is it possible? Is it desirable?’ For as
Glaucon intimates, and as we far more strongly insist, ‘Great doubts may be
entertained about both these points.’ Any free discussion of the question is
impossible, and mankind are perhaps right in not allowing the ultimate
bases of social life to be examined. Few of us can safely enquire into the
things which nature hides, any more than we can dissect our own bodies.
Still, the manner in which Plato arrived at his conclusions should be
considered. For here, as Mr. Grote has remarked, is a wonderful thing, that
one of the wisest and best of men should have entertained ideas of morality
which are wholly at variance with our own. And if we would do Plato
justice, we must examine carefully the character of his proposals. First, we
may observe that the relations of the sexes supposed by him are the reverse
of licentious: he seems rather to aim at an impossible strictness. Secondly,
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entertains the serious hope that an universal brotherhood may take the place
of private interests—an aspiration which, although not justified by
experience, has possessed many noble minds. On the other hand, there is no
sentiment or imagination in the connections which men and women are
supposed by him to form; human beings return to the level of the animals,
neither exalting to heaven, nor yet abusing the natural instincts. All that
world of poetry and fancy which the passion of love has called forth in
modern literature and romance would have been banished by Plato. The
arrangements clxxxii of marriage in the Republic are directed to one object—
the improvement of the race. In successive generations a great development
both of bodily and mental qualities might be possible. The analogy of
animals tends to show that mankind can within certain limits receive a
change of nature. And as in animals we should commonly choose the best
for breeding, and destroy the others, so there must be a selection made of
the human beings whose lives are worthy to be preserved.
We start back horrified from this Platonic ideal, in the belief, first, that
the higher feelings of humanity are far too strong to be crushed out;
secondly, that if the plan could be carried into execution we should be
poorly recompensed by improvements in the breed for the loss of the best
things in life. The greatest regard for the weakest and meanest of human
beings—the infant, the criminal, the insane, the idiot, truly seems to us one
of the noblest results of Christianity. We have learned, though as yet
imperfectly, that the individual man has an endless value in the sight of
God, and that we honour Him when we honour the darkened and disfigured
image of Him (cp. Laws xi. 931 A). This is the lesson which Christ taught
in a parable when He said, ‘Their angels do always behold the face of My
Father which is in heaven.’ Such lessons are only partially realized in any
age; they were foreign to the age of Plato, as they have very different
degrees of strength in different countries or ages of the Christian world. To
the Greek the family was a religious and customary institution binding the
members together by a tie inferior in strength to that of friendship, and
having a less solemn and sacred sound than that of country. The relationship
which existed on the lower level of custom, Plato imagined that he was
raising to the higher level of nature and reason; while from the modern and
Christian point of view we regard him as sanctioning murder and destroying
the first principles of morality.
The great error in these and similar speculations is that the difference
between man and the animals is forgotten in them. The human being is
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slave-owner; the higher or human qualities are left out. The breeder of
animals aims chiefly at size or speed or strength; in a few cases at courage
or temper; most often the fitness of the animal for food is the great
desideratum. clxxxiii But mankind are not bred to be eaten, nor yet for their
superiority in fighting or in running or in drawing carts. Neither does the
improvement of the human race consist merely in the increase of the bones
and flesh, but in the growth and enlightenment of the mind. Hence there
must be ‘a marriage of true minds’ as well as of bodies, of imagination and
reason as well as of lusts and instincts. Men and women without feeling or
imagination are justly called brutes; yet Plato takes away these qualities and
puts nothing in their place, not even the desire of a noble offspring, since
parents are not to know their own children. The most important transaction
of social life, he who is the idealist philosopher converts into the most
brutal. For the pair are to have no relation to one another, except at the
hymeneal festival; their children are not theirs, but the state’s; nor is any tie
of affection to unite them. Yet here the analogy of the animals might have
saved Plato from a gigantic error, if he had ‘not lost sight of his own
illustration’ (ii. 375 D). For the ‘nobler sort of birds and beasts’ (v. 459 A)
nourish and protect their offspring and are faithful to one another.
An eminent physiologist thinks it worth while ‘to try and place life on a
physical basis.’ But should not life rest on the moral rather than upon the
physical? The higher comes first, then the lower, first the human and
rational, afterwards the animal. Yet they are not absolutely divided; and in
times of sickness or moments of self-indulgence they seem to be only
different aspects of a common human nature which includes them both.
Neither is the moral the limit of the physical, but the expansion and
enlargement of it,—the highest form which the physical is capable of
receiving. As Plato would say, the body does not take care of the body, and
still less of the mind, but the mind takes care of both. In all human action
not that which is common to man and the animals is the characteristic
element, but that which distinguishes him from them. Even if we admit the
physical basis, and resolve all virtue into health of body ‘la façon que notre
sang circule,’ still on merely physical grounds we must come back to ideas.
Mind and reason and duty and conscience, under these or other names, are
always reappearing. There cannot be health of body without health of mind;
nor health of mind without the sense of duty and the love of truth (cp.
Charm. 156 D, E).
That the greatest of ancient philosophers should in his regulations clxxxiv
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indeed appear surprising. Yet the wonder is not so much that Plato should
have entertained ideas of morality which to our own age are revolting, but
that he should have contradicted himself to an extent which is hardly
credible, falling in an instant from the heaven of idealism into the crudest
animalism. Rejoicing in the newly found gift of reflection, he appears to
have thought out a subject about which he had better have followed the
enlightened feeling of his own age. The general sentiment of Hellas was
opposed to his monstrous fancy. The old poets, and in later time the
tragedians, showed no want of respect for the family, on which much of
their religion was based. But the example of Sparta, and perhaps in some
degree the tendency to defy public opinion, seems to have misled him. He
will make one family out of all the families of the state. He will select the
finest specimens of men and women and breed from these only.
Yet because the illusion is always returning (for the animal part of human
nature will from time to time assert itself in the disguise of philosophy as
well as of poetry), and also because any departure from established
morality, even where this is not intended, is apt to be unsettling, it may be
worth while to draw out a little more at length the objections to the Platonic
marriage. In the first place, history shows that wherever polygamy has been
largely allowed the race has deteriorated. One man to one woman is the law
of God and nature. Nearly all the civilized peoples of the world at some
period before the age of written records, have become monogamists; and
the step when once taken has never been retraced. The exceptions occurring
among Brahmins or Mahometans or the ancient Persians, are of that sort
which may be said to prove the rule. The connexions formed between
superior and inferior races hardly ever produce a noble offspring, because
they are licentious; and because the children in such cases usually despise
the mother and are neglected by the father who is ashamed of them.
Barbarous nations when they are introduced by Europeans to vice die out;
polygamist peoples either import and adopt children from other countries,
or dwindle in numbers, or both. Dynasties and aristocracies which have
disregarded the laws of nature have decreased in numbers and degenerated
in clxxxv stature; ‘mariages de convenance’ leave their enfeebling stamp on
the offspring of them (cp. King Lear, Act i. Sc. 2). The marriage of near
relations, or the marrying in and in of the same family tends constantly to
weakness or idiocy in the children, sometimes assuming the form as they
grow older of passionate licentiousness. The common prostitute rarely has
any offspring. By such unmistakable evidence is the authority of morality
asserted in the relations of the sexes: and so many more elements enter into
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Recent enquirers have indeed arrived at the conclusion that among
primitive tribes there existed a community of wives as of property, and that
the captive taken by the spear was the only wife or slave whom any man
was permitted to call his own. The partial existence of such customs among
some of the lower races of man, and the survival of peculiar ceremonies in
the marriages of some civilized nations, are thought to furnish a proof of
similar institutions having been once universal. There can be no question
that the study of anthropology has considerably changed our views
respecting the first appearance of man upon the earth. We know more about
the aborigines of the world than formerly, but our increasing knowledge
shows above all things how little we know. With all the helps which written
monuments afford, we do but faintly realize the condition of man two
thousand or three thousand years ago. Of what his condition was when
removed to a distance 200,000 or 300,000 years, when the majority of
mankind were lower and nearer the animals than any tribe now existing
upon the earth, we cannot even entertain conjecture. Plato (Laws iii. 676
foll.) and Aristotle (Metaph. xi. 8, §§ 19, 20) may have been more right than
we imagine in supposing that some forms of civilisation were discovered
and lost several times over. If we cannot argue that all barbarism is a
degraded civilization, neither can we set any limits to the depth of
degradation to which the human race may sink through war, disease, or
isolation. And if we are to draw inferences about the origin of marriage
from the practice of barbarous nations, we should also consider the remoter
analogy of the animals. Many birds and animals, especially the carnivorous,
have only one mate, and the love and care of offspring which seems to be
natural is inconsistent clxxxvi with the primitive theory of marriage. If we go
back to an imaginary state in which men were almost animals and the
companions of them, we have as much right to argue from what is animal to
what is human as from the barbarous to the civilized man. The record of
animal life on the globe is fragmentary,—the connecting links are wanting
and cannot be supplied; the record of social life is still more fragmentary
and precarious. Even if we admit that our first ancestors had no such
institution as marriage, still the stages by which men passed from outer
barbarism to the comparative civilization of China, Assyria, and Greece, or
even of the ancient Germans, are wholly unknown to us.
Such speculations are apt to be unsettling, because they seem to show
that an institution which was thought to be a revelation from heaven, is only
the growth of history and experience. We ask what is the origin of marriage,
and we are told that like the right of property, after many wars and contests,
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face with human nature in its primitive nakedness. We are compelled to
accept, not the highest, but the lowest account of the origin of human
society. But on the other hand we may truly say that every step in human
progress has been in the same direction, and that in the course of ages the
idea of marriage and of the family has been more and more defined and
consecrated. The civilized East is immeasurably in advance of any savage
tribes; the Greeks and Romans have improved upon the East; the Christian
nations have been stricter in their views of the marriage relation than any of
the ancients. In this as in so many other things, instead of looking back with
regret to the past, we should look forward with hope to the future. We must
consecrate that which we believe to be the most holy, and that ‘which is the
most holy will be the most useful.’ There is more reason for maintaining the
sacredness of the marriage tie, when we see the benefit of it, than when we
only felt a vague religious horror about the violation of it. But in all times of
transition, when established beliefs are being undermined, there is a danger
that in the passage from the old to the new we may insensibly let go the
moral principle, finding an excuse for listening to the voice of passion in the
uncertainty of knowledge, or the clxxxvii fluctuations of opinion. And there
are many persons in our own day who, enlightened by the study of
anthropology, and fascinated by what is new and strange, some using the
language of fear, others of hope, are inclined to believe that a time will
come when through the self-assertion of women, or the rebellious spirit of
children, by the analysis of human relations, or by the force of outward
circumstances, the ties of family life may be broken or greatly relaxed.
They point to societies in America and elsewhere which tend to show that
the destruction of the family need not necessarily involve the overthrow of
all morality. Wherever we may think of such speculations, we can hardly
deny that they have been more rife in this generation than in any other; and
whither they are tending, who can predict?
To the doubts and queries raised by these ‘social reformers’ respecting
the relation of the sexes and the moral nature of man, there is a sufficient
answer, if any is needed. The difference about them and us is really one of
fact. They are speaking of man as they wish or fancy him to be, but we are
speaking of him as he is. They isolate the animal part of his nature; we
regard him as a creature having many sides, or aspects, moving between
good and evil, striving to rise above himself and to become ‘a little lower
than the angels.’ We also, to use a Platonic formula, are not ignorant of the
dissatisfactions and incompatibilities of family life, of the meannesses of
trade, of the flatteries of one class of society by another, of the impediments
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are conscious that there are evils and dangers in the background greater
still, which are not appreciated, because they are either concealed or
suppressed. What a condition of man would that be, in which human
passions were controlled by no authority, divine or human, in which there
was no shame or decency, no higher affection overcoming or sanctifying the
natural instincts, but simply a rule of health! Is it for this that we are asked
to throw away the civilization which is the growth of ages?
For strength and health are not the only qualities to be desired; there are
the more important considerations of mind and character and soul. We
know how human nature may be degraded; we do not know how by
artificial means any improvement in the breed can be effected. The problem
is a complex one, for if we clxxxviii go back only four steps (and these at
least enter into the composition of a child), there are commonly thirty
progenitors to be taken into account. Many curious facts, rarely admitting of
proof, are told us respecting the inheritance of disease or character from a
remote ancestor. We can trace the physical resemblances of parents and
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‘Sic oculos, sic ille manus, sic ora ferebat’;

but scarcely less often the differences which distinguish children both from
their parents and from one another. We are told of similar mental
peculiarities running in families, and again of a tendency, as in the animals,
to revert to a common or original stock. But we have a difficulty in
distinguishing what is a true inheritance of genius or other qualities, and
what is mere imitation or the result of similar circumstances. Great men and
great women have rarely had great fathers and mothers. Nothing that we
know of in the circumstances of their birth or lineage will explain their
appearance. Of the English poets of the last and two preceding centuries
scarcely a descendant remains,—none have ever been distinguished. So
deeply has nature hidden her secret, and so ridiculous is the fancy which has
been entertained by some that we might in time by suitable marriage
arrangements or, as Plato would have said, ‘by an ingenious system of lots,’
produce a Shakespeare or a Milton. Even supposing that we could breed
men having the tenacity of bulldogs, or, like the Spartans, ‘lacking the wit
to run away in battle,’ would the world be any the better? Many of the
noblest specimens of the human race have been among the weakest
physically. Tyrtaeus or Aesop, or our own Newton, would have been
exposed at Sparta; and some of the fairest and strongest men and women
have been among the wickedest and worst. Not by the Platonic device of
uniting the strong and fair with the strong and fair, regardless of sentiment
and morality, nor yet by his other device of combining dissimilar natures
(Statesman 310 A), have mankind gradually passed from the brutality and
licentiousness of primitive marriage to marriage Christian and civilized.
Few persons would deny that we bring into the world an inheritance of
mental and physical qualities derived first from our parents, or through
them from some remoter ancestor, clxxxix secondly from our race, thirdly
from the general condition of mankind into which we are born. Nothing is
commoner than the remark, that ‘So and so is like his father or his uncle’;
and an aged person may not unfrequently note a resemblance in a youth to a
long-forgotten ancestor, observing that ‘Nature sometimes skips a
generation.’ It may be true also, that if we knew more about our ancestors,
these similarities would be even more striking to us. Admitting the facts
which are thus described in a popular way, we may however remark that
there is no method of difference by which they can be defined or estimated,
and that they constitute only a small part of each individual. The doctrine of
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but it is the idea, not the fact, which is really terrible to us. For what we
have received from our ancestors is only a fraction of what we are, or may
become. The knowledge that drunkenness or insanity has been prevalent in
a family may be the best safeguard against their recurrence in a future
generation. The parent will be most awake to the vices or diseases in his
child of which he is most sensible within himself. The whole of life may be
directed to their prevention or cure. The traces of consumption may become
fainter, or be wholly effaced: the inherent tendency to vice or crime may be
eradicated. And so heredity, from being a curse, may become a blessing. We
acknowledge that in the matter of our birth, as in our nature generally, there
are previous circumstances which affect us. But upon this platform of
circumstances or within this wall of necessity, we have still the power of
creating a life for ourselves by the informing energy of the human will.
There is another aspect of the marriage question to which Plato is a
stranger. All the children born in his state are foundlings. It never occurred
to him that the greater part of them, according to universal experience,
would have perished. For children can only be brought up in families. There
is a subtle sympathy between the mother and the child which cannot be
supplied by other mothers, or by ‘strong nurses one or more’ (Laws vii. 789
E). If Plato’s ‘pen’ was as fatal as the Crèches of Paris, or the foundling
hospital of Dublin, more than nine-tenths of his children would have
perished. There would have been no need to expose or put out of the way
the weaklier children, for they would have cxc died of themselves. So
emphatically does nature protest against the destruction of the family.
What Plato had heard or seen of Sparta was applied by him in a mistaken
way to his ideal commonwealth. He probably observed that both the
Spartan men and women were superior in form and strength to the other
Greeks; and this superiority he was disposed to attribute to the laws and
customs relating to marriage. He did not consider that the desire of a noble
offspring was a passion among the Spartans, or that their physical
superiority was to be attributed chiefly, not to their marriage customs, but to
their temperance and training. He did not reflect that Sparta was great, not
in consequence of the relaxation of morality, but in spite of it, by virtue of a
political principle stronger far than existed in any other Grecian state. Least
of all did he observe that Sparta did not really produce the finest specimens
of the Greek race. The genius, the political inspiration of Athens, the love of
liberty—all that has made Greece famous with posterity, were wanting
among the Spartans. They had no Themistocles, or Pericles, or Aeschylus,
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appear above the state; the laws were fixed, and he had no business to alter
or reform them. Yet whence has the progress of cities and nations arisen, if
not from remarkable individuals, coming into the world we know not how,
and from causes over which we have no control? Something too much may
have been said in modern times of the value of individuality. But we can
hardly condemn too strongly a system which, instead of fostering the
scattered seeds or sparks of genius and character, tends to smother and
extinguish them.
Still, while condemning Plato, we must acknowledge that neither
Christianity, nor any other form of religion and society, has hitherto been
able to cope with this most difficult of social problems, and that the side
from which Plato regarded it is that from which we turn away. Population is
the most untameable force in the political and social world. Do we not find,
especially in large cities, that the greatest hindrance to the amelioration of
the poor is their improvidence in marriage?—a small fault truly, if not
involving endless consequences. There are whole countries too, such as
India, or, nearer home, Ireland, in which a cxci right solution of the marriage
question seems to lie at the foundation of the happiness of the community.
There are too many people on a given space, or they marry too early and
bring into the world a sickly and half-developed offspring; or owing to the
very conditions of their existence, they become emaciated and hand on a
similar life to their descendants. But who can oppose the voice of prudence
to the ‘mightiest passions of mankind’ (Laws viii. 835 C), especially when
they have been licensed by custom and religion? In addition to the
influences of education, we seem to require some new principles of right
and wrong in these matters, some force of opinion, which may indeed be
already heard whispering in private, but has never affected the moral
sentiments of mankind in general. We unavoidably lose sight of the
principle of utility, just in that action of our lives in which we have the most
need of it. The influences which we can bring to bear upon this question are
chiefly indirect. In a generation or two, education, emigration,
improvements in agriculture and manufactures, may have provided the
solution. The state physician hardly likes to probe the wound: it is beyond
his art; a matter which he cannot safely let alone, but which he dare not
touch:

‘We do but skin and film the ulcerous place.’

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When again in private life we see a whole family one by one dropping
into the grave under the Ate of some inherited malady, and the parents
perhaps surviving them, do our minds ever go back silently to that day
twenty-five or thirty years before on which under the fairest auspices, amid
the rejoicings of friends and acquaintances, a bride and bridegroom joined
hands with one another? In making such a reflection we are not opposing
physical considerations to moral, but moral to physical; we are seeking to
make the voice of reason heard, which drives us back from the
extravagance of sentimentalism on common sense. The late Dr. Combe is
said by his biographer to have resisted the temptation to marriage, because
he knew that he was subject to hereditary consumption. One who deserved
to be called a man of genius, a friend of my youth, was in the habit of
wearing a black ribbon on his wrist, in order to remind him that, being
liable to outbreaks of insanity, he must not give way to the natural impulses
of affection: he died unmarried in a cxcii lunatic asylum. These two little
facts suggest the reflection that a very few persons have done from a sense
of duty what the rest of mankind ought to have done under like
circumstances, if they had allowed themselves to think of all the misery
which they were about to bring into the world. If we could prevent such
marriages without any violation of feeling or propriety, we clearly ought;
and the prohibition in the course of time would be protected by a ‘horror
naturalis’ similar to that which, in all civilized ages and countries, has
prevented the marriage of near relations by blood. Mankind would have
been the happier, if some things which are now allowed had from the
beginning been denied to them; if the sanction of religion could have
prohibited practices inimical to health; if sanitary principles could in early
ages have been invested with a superstitious awe. But, living as we do far
on in the world’s history, we are no longer able to stamp at once with the
impress of religion a new prohibition. A free agent cannot have his fancies
regulated by law; and the execution of the law would be rendered
impossible, owing to the uncertainty of the cases in which marriage was to
be forbidden. Who can weigh virtue, or even fortune against health, or
moral and mental qualities against bodily? Who can measure probabilities
against certainties? There has been some good as well as evil in the
discipline of suffering; and there are diseases, such as consumption, which
have exercised a refining and softening influence on the character. Youth is
too inexperienced to balance such nice considerations; parents do not often
think of them, or think of them too late. They are at a distance and may
probably be averted; change of place, a new state of life, the interests of a
home may be the cure of them. So persons vainly reason when their minds
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there any ground for supposing that marriages are to any great extent
influenced by reflections of this sort, which seem unable to make any head
against the irresistible impulse of individual attachment.
Lastly, no one can have observed the first rising flood of the passions in
youth, the difficulty of regulating them, and the effects on the whole mind
and nature which follow from them, the stimulus which is given to them by
the imagination, without feeling that there is something unsatisfactory in
our method of cxciii treating them. That the most important influence on
human life should be wholly left to chance or shrouded in mystery, and
instead of being disciplined or understood, should be required to conform
only to an external standard of propriety—cannot be regarded by the
philosopher as a safe or satisfactory condition of human things. And still
those who have the charge of youth may find a way by watchfulness, by
affection, by the manliness and innocence of their own lives, by occasional
hints, by general admonitions which every one can apply for himself, to
mitigate this terrible evil which eats out the heart of individuals and
corrupts the moral sentiments of nations. In no duty towards others is there
more need of reticence and self-restraint. So great is the danger lest he who
would be the counsellor of another should reveal the secret prematurely, lest
he should get another too much into his power; or fix the passing
impression of evil by demanding the confession of it.
Nor is Plato wrong in asserting that family attachments may interfere
with higher aims. If there have been some who ‘to party gave up what was
meant for mankind,’ there have certainly been others who to family gave up
what was meant for mankind or for their country. The cares of children, the
necessity of procuring money for their support, the flatteries of the rich by
the poor, the exclusiveness of caste, the pride of birth or wealth, the
tendency of family life to divert men from the pursuit of the ideal or the
heroic, are as lowering in our own age as in that of Plato. And if we prefer
to look at the gentle influences of home, the development of the affections,
the amenities of society, the devotion of one member of a family for the
good of the others, which form one side of the picture, we must not quarrel
with him, or perhaps ought rather to be grateful to him, for having presented
to us the reverse. Without attempting to defend Plato on grounds of
morality, we may allow that there is an aspect of the world which has not
unnaturally led him into error.
We hardly appreciate the power which the idea of the State, like all other
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built up out of the family, or sometimes to be the framework in which
family and social life is contained. But to Plato in his present mood of mind
the family cxciv is only a disturbing influence which, instead of filling up,
tends to disarrange the higher unity of the State. No organization is needed
except a political, which, regarded from another point of view, is a military
one. The State is all-sufficing for the wants of man, and, like the idea of the
Church in later ages, absorbs all other desires and affections. In time of war
the thousand citizens are to stand like a rampart impregnable against the
world or the Persian host; in time of peace the preparation for war and their
duties to the State, which are also their duties to one another, take up their
whole life and time. The only other interest which is allowed to them
besides that of war, is the interest of philosophy. When they are too old to
be soldiers they are to retire from active life and to have a second novitiate
of study and contemplation. There is an element of monasticism even in
Plato’s communism. If he could have done without children, he might have
converted his Republic into a religious order. Neither in the Laws (v. 739
B), when the daylight of common sense breaks in upon him, does he retract
his error. In the state of which he would be the founder, there is no marrying
or giving in marriage: but because of the infirmity of mankind, he
condescends to allow the law of nature to prevail.
(γ) But Plato has an equal, or, in his own estimation, even greater
paradox in reserve, which is summed up in the famous text, ‘Until kings are
philosophers or philosophers are kings, cities will never cease from ill.’ And
by philosophers he explains himself to mean those who are capable of
apprehending ideas, especially the idea of good. To the attainment of this
higher knowledge the second education is directed. Through a process of
training which has already made them good citizens they are now to be
made good legislators. We find with some surprise (not unlike the feeling
which Aristotle in a well-known passage describes the hearers of Plato’s
lectures as experiencing, when they went to a discourse on the idea of good,
expecting to be instructed in moral truths, and received instead of them
arithmetical and mathematical formulae) that Plato does not propose for his
future legislators any study of finance or law or military tactics, but only of
abstract mathematics, as a preparation for the still more abstract conception
of good. We ask, with Aristotle, What is the use of a man knowing the idea
of cxcv good, if he does not know what is good for this individual, this state,
this condition of society? We cannot understand how Plato’s legislators or
guardians are to be fitted for their work of statesmen by the study of the five
mathematical sciences. We vainly search in Plato’s own writings for any
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The discovery of a great metaphysical conception seems to ravish the
mind with a prophetic consciousness which takes away the power of
estimating its value. No metaphysical enquirer has ever fairly criticised his
own speculations; in his own judgment they have been above criticism; nor
has he understood that what to him seemed to be absolute truth may
reappear in the next generation as a form of logic or an instrument of
thought. And posterity have also sometimes equally misapprehended the
real value of his speculations. They appear to them to have contributed
nothing to the stock of human knowledge. The idea of good is apt to be
regarded by the modern thinker as an unmeaning abstraction; but he forgets
that this abstraction is waiting ready for use, and will hereafter be filled up
by the divisions of knowledge. When mankind do not as yet know that the
world is subject to law, the introduction of the mere conception of law or
design or final cause, and the far-off anticipation of the harmony of
knowledge, are great steps onward. Even the crude generalization of the
unity of all things leads men to view the world with different eyes, and may
easily affect their conception of human life and of politics, and also their
own conduct and character (Tim. 90 A). We can imagine how a great mind
like that of Pericles might derive elevation from his intercourse with
Anaxagoras (Phaedr. 270 A). To be struggling towards a higher but
unattainable conception is a more favourable intellectual condition than to
rest satisfied in a narrow portion of ascertained fact. And the earlier, which
have sometimes been the greater ideas of science, are often lost sight of at a
later period. How rarely can we say of any modern enquirer in the
magnificent language of Plato, that ‘He is the spectator of all time and of all
existence!’
Nor is there anything unnatural in the hasty application of these vast
metaphysical conceptions to practical and political life. In the first
enthusiasm of ideas men are apt to see them cxcvi everywhere, and to apply
them in the most remote sphere. They do not understand that the experience
of ages is required to enable them to fill up ‘the intermediate axioms.’ Plato
himself seems to have imagined that the truths of psychology, like those of
astronomy and harmonics, would be arrived at by a process of deduction,
and that the method which he has pursued in the Fourth Book, of inferring
them from experience and the use of language, was imperfect and only
provisional. But when, after having arrived at the idea of good, which is the
end of the science of dialectic, he is asked, What is the nature, and what are
the divisions of the science? He refuses to answer, as if intending by the
refusal to intimate that the state of knowledge which then existed was not
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previous sciences must first be studied, and will, we may add, continue to
be studied till the end of time, although in a sense different from any which
Plato could have conceived. But we may observe, that while he is aware of
the vacancy of his own ideal, he is full of enthusiasm in the contemplation
of it. Looking into the orb of light, he sees nothing, but he is warmed and
elevated. The Hebrew prophet believed that faith in God would enable him
to govern the world; the Greek philosopher imagined that contemplation of
the good would make a legislator. There is as much to be filled up in the one
case as in the other, and the one mode of conception is to the Israelite what
the other is to the Greek. Both find a repose in a divine perfection, which,
whether in a more personal or impersonal form, exists without them and
independently of them, as well as within them.
There is no mention of the idea of good in the Timaeus, nor of the divine
Creator of the world in the Republic; and we are naturally led to ask in what
relation they stand to one another. Is God above or below the idea of good?
Or is the Idea of Good another mode of conceiving God? The latter appears
to be the truer answer. To the Greek philosopher the perfection and unity of
God was a far higher conception than his personality, which he hardly
found a word to express, and which to him would have seemed to be
borrowed from mythology. To the Christian, on the other hand, or to the
modern thinker in cxcvii general, it is difficult, if not impossible, to attach
reality to what he terms mere abstraction; while to Plato this very
abstraction is the truest and most real of all things. Hence, from a difference
in forms of thought, Plato appears to be resting on a creation of his own
mind only. But if we may be allowed to paraphrase the idea of good by the
words ‘intelligent principle of law and order in the universe, embracing
equally man and nature,’ we begin to find a meeting-point between him and
ourselves.
The question whether the ruler or statesman should be a philosopher is
one that has not lost interest in modern times. In most countries of Europe
and Asia there has been some one in the course of ages who has truly united
the power of command with the power of thought and reflection, as there
have been also many false combinations of these qualities. Some kind of
speculative power is necessary both in practical and political life; like the
rhetorician in the Phaedrus, men require to have a conception of the
varieties of human character, and to be raised on great occasions above the
commonplaces of ordinary life. Yet the idea of the philosopher-statesman
has never been popular with the mass of mankind; partly because he cannot
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from which he acts; and also because they are jealous of a power which
they do not understand. The revolution which human nature desires to effect
step by step in many ages is likely to be precipitated by him in a single year
or life. They are afraid that in the pursuit of his greater aims he may
disregard the common feelings of humanity, he is too apt to be looking into
the distant future or back into the remote past, and unable to see actions or
events which, to use an expression of Plato’s ‘are tumbling out at his feet.’
Besides, as Plato would say, there are other corruptions of these
philosophical statesmen. Either ‘the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er
with the pale cast of thought,’ and at the moment when action above all
things is required he is undecided, or general principles are enunciated by
him in order to cover some change of policy; or his ignorance of the world
has made him more easily fall a prey to the arts of others; or in some cases
he has been converted into a courtier, who enjoys cxcviii the luxury of
holding liberal opinions, but was never known to perform a liberal action.
No wonder that mankind have been in the habit of calling statesmen of this
class pedants, sophisters, doctrinaires, visionaries. For, as we may be
allowed to say, a little parodying the words of Plato, ‘they have seen bad
imitations of the philosopher-statesman.’ But a man in whom the power of
thought and action are perfectly balanced, equal to the present, reaching
forward to the future, ‘such a one,’ ruling in a constitutional state, ‘they
have never seen.’
But as the philosopher is apt to fail in the routine of political life, so the
ordinary statesman is also apt to fail in extraordinary crises. When the face
of the world is beginning to alter, and thunder is heard in the distance, he is
still guided by his old maxims, and is the slave of his inveterate party
prejudices; he cannot perceive the signs of the times; instead of looking
forward he looks back; he learns nothing and forgets nothing; with ‘wise
saws and modern instances’ he would stem the rising tide of revolution. He
lives more and more within the circle of his own party, as the world without
him becomes stronger. This seems to be the reason why the old order of
things makes so poor a figure when confronted with the new, why churches
can never reform, why most political changes are made blindly and
convulsively. The great crises in the history of nations have often been met
by an ecclesiastical positiveness, and a more obstinate reassertion of
principles which have lost their hold upon a nation. The fixed ideas of a
reactionary statesman may be compared to madness; they grow upon him,
and he becomes possessed by them; no judgement of others is ever admitted
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(δ) Plato, labouring under what, to modern readers, appears to have been
a confusion of ideas, assimilates the state to the individual, and fails to
distinguish Ethics from Politics. He thinks that to be most of a state which
is most like one man, and in which the citizens have the greatest uniformity
of character. He does not see that the analogy is partly fallacious, and that
the will or character of a state or nation is really the balance or rather the
surplus of individual wills, which are limited by the condition of having to
act in common. cxcix The movement of a body of men can never have the
pliancy or facility of a single man; the freedom of the individual, which is
always limited, becomes still more straitened when transferred to a nation.
The powers of action and feeling are necessarily weaker and more balanced
when they are diffused through a community; whence arises the often
discussed question, ‘Can a nation, like an individual, have a conscience?’
We hesitate to say that the characters of nations are nothing more than the
sum of the characters of the individuals who compose them; because there
may be tendencies in individuals which react upon one another. A whole
nation may be wiser than any one man in it; or may be animated by some
common opinion or feeling which could not equally have affected the mind
of a single person, or may have been inspired by a leader of genius to
perform acts more than human. Plato does not appear to have analysed the
complications which arise out of the collective action of mankind. Neither
is he capable of seeing that analogies, though specious as arguments, may
often have no foundation in fact, or of distinguishing between what is
intelligible or vividly present to the mind, and what is true. In this respect
he is far below Aristotle, who is comparatively seldom imposed upon by
false analogies. He cannot disentangle the arts from the virtues—at least he
is always arguing from one to the other. His notion of music is transferred
from harmony of sounds to harmony of life: in this he is assisted by the
ambiguities of language as well as by the prevalence of Pythagorean
notions. And having once assimilated the state to the individual, he
imagines that he will find the succession of states paralleled in the lives of
individuals.
Still, through this fallacious medium, a real enlargement of ideas is
attained. When the virtues as yet presented no distinct conception to the
mind, a great advance was made by the comparison of them with the arts;
for virtue is partly art, and has an outward form as well as an inward
principle. The harmony of music affords a lively image of the harmonies of
the world and of human life, and may be regarded as a splendid illustration
which was naturally mistaken for a real analogy. In the same way the
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ethics, and also to elevate and ennoble men’s cc notions of the aims of
government and of the duties of citizens; for ethics from one point of view
may be conceived as an idealized law and politics; and politics, as ethics
reduced to the conditions of human society. There have been evils which
have arisen out of the attempt to identify them, and this has led to the
separation or antagonism of them, which has been introduced by modern
political writers. But we may likewise feel that something has been lost in
their separation, and that the ancient philosophers who estimated the moral
and intellectual wellbeing of mankind first, and the wealth of nations and
individuals second, may have a salutary influence on the speculations of
modern times. Many political maxims originate in a reaction against an
opposite error; and when the errors against which they were directed have
passed away, they in turn become errors.

III. Plato’s views of education are in several respects remarkable; like the
rest of the Republic they are partly Greek and partly ideal, beginning with
the ordinary curriculum of the Greek youth, and extending to after-life.
Plato is the first writer who distinctly says that education is to comprehend
the whole of life, and to be a preparation for another in which education
begins again (vi. 498 D). This is the continuous thread which runs through
the Republic, and which more than any other of his ideas admits of an
application to modern life.
He has long given up the notion that virtue cannot be taught; and he is
disposed to modify the thesis of the Protagoras, that the virtues are one and
not many. He is not unwilling to admit the sensible world into his scheme of
truth. Nor does he assert in the Republic the involuntariness of vice, which
is maintained by him in the Timaeus, Sophist, and Laws (cp. Protag. 345
foll., 352, 355; Apol. 25 E; Gorg. 468, 509 E). Nor do the so-called Platonic
ideas recovered from a former state of existence affect his theory of mental
improvement. Still we observe in him the remains of the old Socratic
doctrine, that true knowledge must be elicited from within, and is to be
sought for in ideas, not in particulars of sense. Education, as he says, will
implant a principle of intelligence which is better than ten cci thousand eyes.
The paradox that the virtues are one, and the kindred notion that all virtue is
knowledge, are not entirely renounced; the first is seen in the supremacy
given to justice over the rest; the second in the tendency to absorb the moral
virtues in the intellectual, and to centre all goodness in the contemplation of
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opinion, though admitted to be a shadow of the true. In the Republic he is
evidently impressed with the conviction that vice arises chiefly from
ignorance and may be cured by education; the multitude are hardly to be
deemed responsible for what they do (v. 499 E). A faint allusion to the
doctrine of reminiscence occurs in the Tenth Book (621 A); but Plato’s
views of education have no more real connection with a previous state of
existence than our own; he only proposes to elicit from the mind that which
is there already. Education is represented by him, not as the filling of a
vessel, but as the turning the eye of the soul towards the light.
He treats first of music or literature, which he divides into true and false,
and then goes on to gymnastics; of infancy in the Republic he takes no
notice, though in the Laws he gives sage counsels about the nursing of
children and the management of the mothers, and would have an education
which is even prior to birth. But in the Republic he begins with the age at
which the child is capable of receiving ideas, and boldly asserts, in language
which sounds paradoxical to modern ears, that he must be taught the false
before he can learn the true. The modern and ancient philosophical world
are not agreed about truth and falsehood; the one identifies truth almost
exclusively with fact, the other with ideas. This is the difference between
ourselves and Plato, which is, however, partly a difference of words (cp.
supra, p. xxxviii). For we too should admit that a child must receive many
lessons which he imperfectly understands; he must be taught some things in
a figure only, some too which he can hardly be expected to believe when he
grows older; but we should limit the use of fiction by the necessity of the
case. Plato would draw the line differently; according to him the aim of
early education is not truth as a matter of fact, but truth as a matter of
principle; the child is to be taught first simple religious truths, and then
simple moral truths, and insensibly to learn the lesson of good manners and
good taste. He ccii would make an entire reformation of the old mythology;
like Xenophanes and Heracleitus he is sensible of the deep chasm which
separates his own age from Homer and Hesiod, whom he quotes and invests
with an imaginary authority, but only for his own purposes. The lusts and
treacheries of the gods are to be banished; the terrors of the world below are
to be dispelled; the misbehaviour of the Homeric heroes is not to be a model
for youth. But there is another strain heard in Homer which may teach our
youth endurance; and something may be learnt in medicine from the simple
practice of the Homeric age. The principles on which religion is to be based
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Christian writers have often fallen short of these; they can hardly be said to
have gone beyond them.
The young are to be brought up in happy surroundings, out of the way of
sights or sounds which may hurt the character or vitiate the taste. They are
to live in an atmosphere of health; the breeze is always to be wafting to
them the impressions of truth and goodness. Could such an education be
realized, or if our modern religious education could be bound up with truth
and virtue and good manners and good taste, that would be the best hope of
human improvement. Plato, like ourselves, is looking forward to changes in
the moral and religious world, and is preparing for them. He recognizes the
danger of unsettling young men’s minds by sudden changes of laws and
principles, by destroying the sacredness of one set of ideas when there is
nothing else to take their place. He is afraid too of the influence of the
drama, on the ground that it encourages false sentiment, and therefore he
would not have his children taken to the theatre; he thinks that the effect on
the spectators is bad, and on the actors still worse. His idea of education is
that of harmonious growth, in which are insensibly learnt the lessons of
temperance and endurance, and the body and mind develope in equal
proportions. The first principle which runs through all art and nature is
simplicity; this also is to be the rule of human life.
The second stage of education is gymnastic, which answers to the period
of muscular growth and development. The simplicity which is enforced in
music is extended to gymnastic; Plato is aware that the cciii training of the
body may be inconsistent with the training of the mind, and that bodily
exercise may be easily overdone. Excessive training of the body is apt to
give men a headache or to render them sleepy at a lecture on philosophy,
and this they attribute not to the true cause, but to the nature of the subject.
Two points are noticeable in Plato’s treatment of gymnastic:—First, that the
time of training is entirely separated from the time of literary education. He
seems to have thought that two things of an opposite and different nature
could not be learnt at the same time. Here we can hardly agree with him;
and, if we may judge by experience, the effect of spending three years
between the ages of fourteen and seventeen in mere bodily exercise would
be far from improving to the intellect. Secondly, he affirms that music and
gymnastic are not, as common opinion is apt to imagine, intended, the one
for the cultivation of the mind and the other of the body, but that they are
both equally designed for the improvement of the mind. The body, in his
view, is the servant of the mind; the subjection of the lower to the higher is
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and paramount influence over the body, if exerted not at particular moments
and by fits and starts, but continuously, in making preparation for the whole
of life. Other Greek writers saw the mischievous tendency of Spartan
discipline (Arist. Pol. viii. 4, § 1 foll.; Thuc. ii. 37, 39). But only Plato
recognized the fundamental error on which the practice was based.
The subject of gymnastic leads Plato to the sister subject of medicine,
which he further illustrates by the parallel of law. The modern disbelief in
medicine has led in this, as in some other departments of knowledge, to a
demand for greater simplicity; physicians are becoming aware that they
often make diseases ‘greater and more complicated’ by their treatment of
them (Rep. iv. 426 A). In two thousand years their art has made but slender
progress; what they have gained in the analysis of the parts is in a great
degree lost by their feebler conception of the human frame as a whole. They
have attended more to the cure of diseases than to the conditions of health;
and the improvements in medicine have been more than counterbalanced by
the disuse of regular training. Until lately they have hardly thought of air
and water, the importance of which was well understood by the ancients; as
Aristotle remarks, ‘Air and water, being the elements cciv which we most
use, have the greatest effect upon health’ (Polit. vii. 11, § 4). For ages
physicians have been under the dominion of prejudices which have only
recently given way; and now there are as many opinions in medicine as in
theology, and an equal degree of scepticism and some want of toleration
about both. Plato has several good notions about medicine; according to
him, ‘the eye cannot be cured without the rest of the body, nor the body
without the mind’ (Charm. 156 E). No man of sense, he says in the
Timaeus, would take physic; and we heartily sympathize with him in the
Laws when he declares that ‘the limbs of the rustic worn with toil will
derive more benefit from warm baths than from the prescriptions of a not
over wise doctor’ (vi. 761 C). But we can hardly praise him when, in
obedience to the authority of Homer, he depreciates diet, or approve of the
inhuman spirit in which he would get rid of invalid and useless lives by
leaving them to die. He does not seem to have considered that the ‘bridle of
Theages’ might be accompanied by qualities which were of far more value
to the State than the health or strength of the citizens; or that the duty of
taking care of the helpless might be an important element of education in a
State. The physician himself (this is a delicate and subtle observation)
should not be a man in robust health; he should have, in modern
phraseology, a nervous temperament; he should have experience of disease
in his own person, in order that his powers of observation may be quickened
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The perplexity of medicine is paralleled by the perplexity of law; in
which, again, Plato would have men follow the golden rule of simplicity.
Greater matters are to be determined by the legislator or by the oracle of
Delphi, lesser matters are to be left to the temporary regulation of the
citizens themselves. Plato is aware that laissez faire is an important element
of government. The diseases of a State are like the heads of a hydra; they
multiply when they are cut off. The true remedy for them is not extirpation
but prevention. And the way to prevent them is to take care of education,
and education will take care of all the rest. So in modern times men have
often felt that the only political measure worth having—the only one which
would produce any certain or lasting effect, was a measure of national
education. And in our own more than in any previous age the necessity has
been ccv recognized of restoring the ever-increasing confusion of law to
simplicity and common sense.
When the training in music and gymnastic is completed, there follows the
first stage of active and public life. But soon education is to begin again
from a new point of view. In the interval between the Fourth and Seventh
Books we have discussed the nature of knowledge, and have thence been
led to form a higher conception of what was required of us. For true
knowledge, according to Plato, is of abstractions, and has to do, not with
particulars or individuals, but with universals only; not with the beauties of
poetry, but with the ideas of philosophy. And the great aim of education is
the cultivation of the habit of abstraction. This is to be acquired through the
study of the mathematical sciences. They alone are capable of giving ideas
of relation, and of arousing the dormant energies of thought.
Mathematics in the age of Plato comprehended a very small part of that
which is now included in them; but they bore a much larger proportion to
the sum of human knowledge. They were the only organon of thought
which the human mind at that time possessed, and the only measure by
which the chaos of particulars could be reduced to rule and order. The
faculty which they trained was naturally at war with the poetical or
imaginative; and hence to Plato, who is everywhere seeking for abstractions
and trying to get rid of the illusions of sense, nearly the whole of education
is contained in them. They seemed to have an inexhaustible application,
partly because their true limits were not yet understood. These Plato himself
is beginning to investigate; though not aware that number and figure are
mere abstractions of sense, he recognizes that the forms used by geometry
are borrowed from the sensible world (vi. 510, 511). He seeks to find the
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not satisfactorily explain the connexion between them; and in his
conception of the relation of ideas to numbers, he falls very far short of the
definiteness attributed to him by Aristotle (Met. i. 8, § 24; ix. 17). But if he
fails to recognize the true limits of mathematics, he also reaches a point
beyond them; in his view, ideas of number become secondary to a higher
conception of knowledge. The dialectician is as much above the
mathematician as the mathematician is above the ordinary man (cp. vii. 526
D, ccvi 531 E). The one, the self-proving, the good which is the higher
sphere of dialectic, is the perfect truth to which all things ascend, and in
which they finally repose.
This self-proving unity or idea of good is a mere vision of which no
distinct explanation can be given, relative only to a particular stage in Greek
philosophy. It is an abstraction under which no individuals are
comprehended, a whole which has no parts (cf. Arist., Nic. Eth., i. 4). The
vacancy of such a form was perceived by Aristotle, but not by Plato. Nor
did he recognize that in the dialectical process are included two or more
methods of investigation which are at variance with each other. He did not
see that whether he took the longer or the shorter road, no advance could be
made in this way. And yet such visions often have an immense effect; for
although the method of science cannot anticipate science, the idea of
science, not as it is, but as it will be in the future, is a great and inspiring
principle. In the pursuit of knowledge we are always pressing forward to
something beyond us; and as a false conception of knowledge, for example
the scholastic philosophy, may lead men astray during many ages, so the
true ideal, though vacant, may draw all their thoughts in a right direction. It
makes a great difference whether the general expectation of knowledge, as
this indefinite feeling may be termed, is based upon a sound judgment. For
mankind may often entertain a true conception of what knowledge ought to
be when they have but a slender experience of facts. The correlation of the
sciences, the consciousness of the unity of nature, the idea of classification,
the sense of proportion, the unwillingness to stop short of certainty or to
confound probability with truth, are important principles of the higher
education. Although Plato could tell us nothing, and perhaps knew that he
could tell us nothing, of the absolute truth, he has exercised an influence on
the human mind which even at the present day is not exhausted; and
political and social questions may yet arise in which the thoughts of Plato
may be read anew and receive a fresh meaning.
The Idea of good is so called only in the Republic, but there are traces of
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point of view may be compared with the creator of the Timaeus, who out of
his goodness created ccvii all things. It corresponds to a certain extent with
the modern conception of a law of nature, or of a final cause, or of both in
one, and in this regard may be connected with the measure and symmetry of
the Philebus. It is represented in the Symposium under the aspect of beauty,
and is supposed to be attained there by stages of initiation, as here by
regular gradations of knowledge. Viewed subjectively, it is the process or
science of dialectic. This is the science which, according to the Phaedrus, is
the true basis of rhetoric, which alone is able to distinguish the natures and
classes of men and things; which divides a whole into the natural parts, and
reunites the scattered parts into a natural or organized whole; which defines
the abstract essences or universal ideas of all things, and connects them;
which pierces the veil of hypotheses and reaches the final cause or first
principle of all; which regards the sciences in relation to the idea of good.
This ideal science is the highest process of thought, and may be described
as the soul conversing with herself or holding communion with eternal truth
and beauty, and in another form is the everlasting question and answer—the
ceaseless interrogative of Socrates. The dialogues of Plato are themselves
examples of the nature and method of dialectic. Viewed objectively, the idea
of good is a power or cause which makes the world without us correspond
with the world within. Yet this world without us is still a world of ideas.
With Plato the investigation of nature is another department of knowledge,
and in this he seeks to attain only probable conclusions (cp. Timaeus, 44 D).
If we ask whether this science of dialectic which Plato only half explains
to us is more akin to logic or to metaphysics, the answer is that in his mind
the two sciences are not as yet distinguished, any more than the subjective
and objective aspects of the world and of man, which German philosophy
has revealed to us. Nor has he determined whether his science of dialectic is
at rest or in motion, concerned with the contemplation of absolute being, or
with a process of development and evolution. Modern metaphysics may be
described as the science of abstractions, or as the science of the evolution of
thought; modern logic, when passing beyond the bounds of mere
Aristotelian forms, may be defined as the science of method. The germ of
ccviii both of them is contained in the Platonic dialectic; all metaphysicians
have something in common with the ideas of Plato; all logicians have
derived something from the method of Plato. The nearest approach in
modern philosophy to the universal science of Plato, is to be found in the
Hegelian ‘succession of moments in the unity of the idea.’ Plato and Hegel
alike seem to have conceived the world as the correlation of abstractions;
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of their commentators understand them (cp. Swift’s Voyage to Laputa, c.
84). There is, however, a difference between them: for whereas Hegel is
thinking of all the minds of men as one mind, which developes the stages of
the idea in different countries or at different times in the same country, with
Plato these gradations are regarded only as an order of thought or ideas; the
history of the human mind had not yet dawned upon him.
4 ‘Having a desire to see those ancients who were most renowned for wit and
learning, I set apart one day on purpose. I proposed that Homer and Aristotle
might appear at the head of all their commentators; but these were so numerous
that some hundreds were forced to attend in the court and outward rooms of the
palace. I knew, and could distinguish these two heroes, at first sight, not only
from the crowd, but from each other. Homer was the taller and comelier person
of the two, walked very erect for one of his age, and his eyes were the most
quick and piercing I ever beheld. Aristotle stooped much, and made use of a
staff. His visage was meagre, his hair lank and thin, and his voice hollow. I soon
discovered that both of them were perfect strangers to the rest of the company,
and had never seen or heard of them before. And I had a whisper from a ghost,
who shall be nameless, “That these commentators always kept in the most
distant quarters from their principals, in the lower world, through a
consciousness of shame and guilt, because they had so horribly misrepresented
the meaning of these authors to posterity.” I introduced Didymus and Eustathius
to Homer, and prevailed on him to treat them better than perhaps they deserved,
for he soon found they wanted a genius to enter into the spirit of a poet. But
Aristotle was out of all patience with the account I gave him of Scotus and
Ramus, as I presented them to him; and he asked them “whether the rest of the
tribe were as great dunces as themselves?”’

Many criticisms may be made on Plato’s theory of education. While in
some respects he unavoidably falls short of modern thinkers, in others he is
in advance of them. He is opposed to the modes of education which
prevailed in his own time; but he can hardly be said to have discovered new
ones. He does ccix not see that education is relative to the characters of
individuals; he only desires to impress the same form of the state on the
minds of all. He has no sufficient idea of the effect of literature on the
formation of the mind, and greatly exaggerates that of mathematics. His aim
is above all things to train the reasoning faculties; to implant in the mind the
spirit and power of abstraction; to explain and define general notions, and,
if possible, to connect them. No wonder that in the vacancy of actual
knowledge his followers, and at times even he himself, should have fallen
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knowledge in which alone the relation of the one and many can be truly
seen—the science of number. In his views both of teaching and training he
might be styled, in modern language, a doctrinaire; after the Spartan fashion
he would have his citizens cast in one mould; he does not seem to consider
that some degree of freedom, ‘a little wholesome neglect,’ is necessary to
strengthen and develope the character and to give play to the individual
nature. His citizens would not have acquired that knowledge which in the
vision of Er is supposed to be gained by the pilgrims from their experience
of evil.
On the other hand, Plato is far in advance of modern philosophers and
theologians when he teaches that education is to be continued through life
and will begin again in another. He would never allow education of some
kind to cease; although he was aware that the proverbial saying of Solon, ‘I
grow old learning many things,’ cannot be applied literally. Himself
ravished with the contemplation of the idea of good, and delighting in solid
geometry (Rep. vii. 528), he has no difficulty in imagining that a lifetime
might be passed happily in such pursuits. We who know how many more
men of business there are in the world than real students or thinkers, are not
equally sanguine. The education which he proposes for his citizens is really
the ideal life of the philosopher or man of genius, interrupted, but only for a
time, by practical duties,—a life not for the many, but for the few.
Yet the thought of Plato may not be wholly incapable of application to
our own times. Even if regarded as an ideal which can never be realized, it
may have a great effect in elevating the characters of mankind, and raising
them above the routine ccx of their ordinary occupation or profession. It is
the best form under which we can conceive the whole of life. Nevertheless
the idea of Plato is not easily put into practice. For the education of after life
is necessarily the education which each one gives himself. Men and women
cannot be brought together in schools or colleges at forty or fifty years of
age; and if they could the result would be disappointing. The destination of
most men is what Plato would call ‘the Den’ for the whole of life, and with
that they are content. Neither have they teachers or advisers with whom
they can take counsel in riper years. There is no ‘schoolmaster abroad’ who
will tell them of their faults, or inspire them with the higher sense of duty,
or with the ambition of a true success in life; no Socrates who will convict
them of ignorance; no Christ, or follower of Christ, who will reprove them
of sin. Hence they have a difficulty in receiving the first element of
improvement, which is self-knowledge. The hopes of youth no longer stir
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have come across great men and women, or eminent teachers of religion
and morality, have received a second life from them, and have lighted a
candle from the fire of their genius.
The want of energy is one of the main reasons why so few persons
continue to improve in later years. They have not the will, and do not know
the way. They ‘never try an experiment,’ or look up a point of interest for
themselves; they make no sacrifices for the sake of knowledge; their minds,
like their bodies, at a certain age become fixed. Genius has been defined as
‘the power of taking pains’; but hardly any one keeps up his interest in
knowledge throughout a whole life. The troubles of a family, the business of
making money, the demands of a profession destroy the elasticity of the
mind. The waxen tablet of the memory which was once capable of receiving
‘true thoughts and clear impressions’ becomes hard and crowded; there is
not room for the accumulations of a long life (Theaet. 194 ff.). The student,
as years advance, rather makes an exchange of knowledge than adds to his
stores. There is no pressing necessity to learn; the stock of Classics or
History or Natural Science which was enough for a man at twenty-five is
enough for him at fifty. Neither is it easy to give a definite answer to any
one who asks how he is to improve. For self-education consists in a ccxi
thousand things, commonplace in themselves,—in adding to what we are by
nature something of what we are not; in learning to see ourselves as others
see us; in judging, not by opinion, but by the evidence of facts; in seeking
out the society of superior minds; in a study of lives and writings of great
men; in observation of the world and character; in receiving kindly the
natural influence of different times of life; in any act or thought which is
raised above the practice or opinions of mankind; in the pursuit of some
new or original enquiry; in any effort of mind which calls forth some latent
power.
If any one is desirous of carrying out in detail the Platonic education of
after-life, some such counsels as the following may be offered to him:—
That he shall choose the branch of knowledge to which his own mind most
distinctly inclines, and in which he takes the greatest delight, either one
which seems to connect with his own daily employment, or, perhaps,
furnishes the greatest contrast to it. He may study from the speculative side
the profession or business in which he is practically engaged. He may make
Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, Plato, Bacon the friends and companions of his
life. He may find opportunities of hearing the living voice of a great teacher.
He may select for enquiry some point of history or some unexplained
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pursuits will furnish as many facts as the memory can retain, and will give
him ‘a pleasure not to be repented of’ (Timaeus, 59 D). Only let him beware
of being the slave of crotchets, or of running after a Will o’ the Wisp in his
ignorance, or in his vanity of attributing to himself the gifts of a poet or
assuming the air of a philosopher. He should know the limits of his own
powers. Better to build up the mind by slow additions, to creep on quietly
from one thing to another, to gain insensibly new powers and new interests
in knowledge, than to form vast schemes which are never destined to be
realized. But perhaps, as Plato would say, ‘This is part of another subject’
(Tim. 87 B); though we may also defend our digression by his example
(Theaet. 72, 77).

IV. We remark with surprise that the progress of nations or ccxii the
natural growth of institutions which fill modern treatises on political
philosophy seem hardly ever to have attracted the attention of Plato and
Aristotle. The ancients were familiar with the mutability of human affairs;
they could moralize over the ruins of cities and the fall of empires (cp.
Plato, Statesman 301, 302, and Sulpicius’ Letter to Cicero, Ad Fam. iv. 5);
by them fate and chance were deemed to be real powers, almost persons,
and to have had a great share in political events. The wiser of them like
Thucydides believed that ‘what had been would be again,’ and that a
tolerable idea of the future could be gathered from the past. Also they had
dreams of a Golden Age which existed once upon a time and might still
exist in some unknown land, or might return again in the remote future. But
the regular growth of a state enlightened by experience, progressing in
knowledge, improving in the arts, of which the citizens were educated by
the fulfilment of political duties, appears never to have come within the
range of their hopes and aspirations. Such a state had never been seen, and
therefore could not be conceived by them. Their experience (cp. Aristot.
Metaph. xi. 21; Plato, Laws iii. 676–9) led them to conclude that there had
been cycles of civilization in which the arts had been discovered and lost
many times over, and cities had been overthrown and rebuilt again and
again, and deluges and volcanoes and other natural convulsions had altered
the face of the earth. Tradition told them of many destructions of mankind
and of the preservation of a remnant. The world began again after a deluge
and was reconstructed out of the fragments of itself. Also they were
acquainted with empires of unknown antiquity, like the Egyptian or
Assyrian; but they had never seen them grow, and could not imagine, any
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puzzled and awestricken by the Egyptian monuments, of which the forms,
as Plato says, not in a figure, but literally, were ten thousand years old
(Laws ii. 656 E), and they contrasted the antiquity of Egypt with their own
short memories.
The early legends of Hellas have no real connection with the later
history: they are at a distance, and the intermediate region is concealed from
view; there is no road or path which leads from one to the other. At the
beginning of Greek history, in the vestibule of the temple, is seen standing
first of all the figure of ccxiii the legislator, himself the interpreter and
servant of the God. The fundamental laws which he gives are not supposed
to change with time and circumstances. The salvation of the state is held
rather to depend on the inviolable maintenance of them. They were
sanctioned by the authority of heaven, and it was deemed impiety to alter
them. The desire to maintain them unaltered seems to be the origin of what
at first sight is very surprising to us—the intolerant zeal of Plato against
innovators in religion or politics (cp. Laws x. 907–9); although with a
happy inconsistency he is also willing that the laws of other countries
should be studied and improvements in legislation privately communicated
to the Nocturnal Council (Laws xii. 951, 2). The additions which were made
to them in later ages in order to meet the increasing complexity of affairs
were still ascribed by a fiction to the original legislator; and the words of
such enactments at Athens were disputed over as if they had been the words
of Solon himself. Plato hopes to preserve in a later generation the mind of
the legislator; he would have his citizens remain within the lines which he
has laid down for them. He would not harass them with minute regulations,
he would have allowed some changes in the laws: but not changes which
would affect the fundamental institutions of the state, such for example as
would convert an aristocracy into a timocracy, or a timocracy into a popular
form of government.
Passing from speculations to facts, we observe that progress has been the
exception rather than the law of human history. And therefore we are not
surprised to find that the idea of progress is of modern rather than of ancient
date; and, like the idea of a philosophy of history, is not more than a century
or two old. It seems to have arisen out of the impression left on the human
mind by the growth of the Roman Empire and of the Christian Church, and
to be due to the political and social improvements which they introduced
into the world; and still more in our own century to the idealism of the first
French Revolution and the triumph of American Independence; and in a yet
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England and her colonies and in America. It is also to be ascribed in a
measure to the greater study of the philosophy of history. The optimist
temperament of some great writers has ccxiv assisted the creation of it, while
the opposite character has led a few to regard the future of the world as
dark. The ‘spectator of all time and of all existence’ sees more of ‘the
increasing purpose which through the ages ran’ than formerly: but to the
inhabitant of a small state of Hellas the vision was necessarily limited like
the valley in which he dwelt. There was no remote past on which his eye
could rest, nor any future from which the veil was partly lifted up by the
analogy of history. The narrowness of view, which to ourselves appears so
singular, was to him natural, if not unavoidable.

V. For the relation of the Republic to the Statesman and the Laws, and the
two other works of Plato which directly treat of politics, see the
Introductions to the two latter; a few general points of comparison may be
touched upon in this place.
And first of the Laws. (1) The Republic, though probably written at
intervals, yet speaking generally and judging by the indications of thought
and style, may be reasonably ascribed to the middle period of Plato’s life:
the Laws are certainly the work of his declining years, and some portions of
them at any rate seem to have been written in extreme old age. (2) The
Republic is full of hope and aspiration: the Laws bear the stamp of failure
and disappointment. The one is a finished work which received the last
touches of the author: the other is imperfectly executed, and apparently
unfinished. The one has the grace and beauty of youth: the other has lost the
poetical form, but has more of the severity and knowledge of life which is
characteristic of old age. (3) The most conspicuous defect of the Laws is the
failure of dramatic power, whereas the Republic is full of striking contrasts
of ideas and oppositions of character. (4) The Laws may be said to have
more the nature of a sermon, the Republic of a poem; the one is more
religious, the other more intellectual. (5) Many theories of Plato, such as the
doctrine of ideas, the government of the world by philosophers, are not
found in the Laws; the immortality of the soul is first mentioned in xii. 959,
967; the person of Socrates has altogether disappeared. The community of
women and children is renounced; the institution of common or public
meals for women (Laws vi. 781) is for the first time introduced ccxv (Ar.
Pol. ii. 6, § 5). (6) There remains in the Laws the old enmity to the poets
(vii. 817), who are ironically saluted in high-flown terms, and, at the same

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time, are peremptorily ordered out of the city, if they are not willing to
submit their poems to the censorship of the magistrates (cp. Rep. iii. 398).
(7) Though the work is in most respects inferior, there are a few passages in
the Laws, such as v. 727 ff. (the honour due to the soul), viii. 835 ff. (the
evils of licentious or unnatural love), the whole of Book x. (religion), xi.
918 ff. (the dishonesty of retail trade), and 923 ff. (bequests), which come
more home to us, and contain more of what may be termed the modern
element in Plato than almost anything in the Republic.
The relation of the two works to one another is very well given:
(i) by Aristotle in the Politics from the side of the Laws:—
‘The same, or nearly the same, objections apply to Plato’s later work, the
Laws, and therefore we had better examine briefly the constitution which is
therein described. In the Republic, Socrates has definitely settled in all a
few questions only; such as the community of women and children, the
community of property, and the constitution of the state. The population is
divided into two classes—one of husbandmen, and the other of warriors;
from this latter is taken a third class of counsellors and rulers of the state.
But Socrates has not determined whether the husbandmen and artists are to
have a share in the government, and whether they too are to carry arms and
share in military service or not. He certainly thinks that the women ought to
share in the education of the guardians, and to fight by their side. The
remainder of the work is filled up with digressions foreign to the main
subject, and with discussions about the education of the guardians. In the
Laws there is hardly anything but laws; not much is said about the
constitution. This, which he had intended to make more of the ordinary
type, he gradually brings round to the other or ideal form. For with the
exception of the community of women and property, he supposes
everything to be the same in both states; there is to be the same education;
the citizens of both are to live free from servile occupations, and there are to
be common meals in both. The only difference is that in the Laws the
common meals are ccxvi extended to women, and the warriors number about
5000, but in the Republic only 1000.’
(ii) by Plato in the Laws (Book v. 739 B–E), from the side of the
Republic:—
‘The first and highest form of the state and of the government and of the
law is that in which there prevails most widely the ancient saying that
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this communion of women and children and of property, in which the
private and individual is altogether banished from life, and things which are
by nature private, such as eyes and ears and hands, have become common,
and all men express praise and blame, and feel joy and sorrow, on the same
occasions, and the laws unite the city to the utmost,—whether all this is
possible or not, I say that no man, acting upon any other principle, will ever
constitute a state more exalted in virtue, or truer or better than this. Such a
state, whether inhabited by Gods or sons of Gods, will make them blessed
who dwell therein; and therefore to this we are to look for the pattern of the
state, and to cling to this, and, as far as possible, to seek for one which is
like this. The state which we have now in hand, when created, will be
nearest to immortality and unity in the next degree; and after that, by the
grace of God, we will complete the third one. And we will begin by
speaking of the nature and origin of the second.’
The comparatively short work called the Statesman or Politicus in its
style and manner is more akin to the Laws, while in its idealism it rather
resembles the Republic. As far as we can judge by various indications of
language and thought, it must be later than the one and of course earlier
than the other. In both the Republic and Statesman a close connection is
maintained between Politics and Dialectic. In the Statesman, enquiries into
the principles of Method are interspersed with discussions about Politics.
The comparative advantages of the rule of law and of a person are
considered, and the decision given in favour of a person (Arist. Pol. iii. 15,
16). But much may be said on the other side, nor is the opposition
necessary; for a person may rule by law, and law may be so applied as to be
the living voice of the legislator. As in the Republic, there is a myth,
describing, however, not a future, but a former existence of mankind. The
question is ccxvii asked, ‘Whether the state of innocence which is described
in the myth, or a state like our own which possesses art and science and
distinguishes good from evil, is the preferable condition of man.’ To this
question of the comparative happiness of civilized and primitive life, which
was so often discussed in the last century and in our own, no answer is
given. The Statesman, though less perfect in style than the Republic and of
far less range, may justly be regarded as one of the greatest of Plato’s
dialogues.

VI. Others as well as Plato have chosen an ideal Republic to be the
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beyond their own age. The classical writing which approaches most nearly
to the Republic of Plato is the ‘De Republica’ of Cicero; but neither in this
nor in any other of his dialogues does he rival the art of Plato. The manners
are clumsy and inferior; the hand of the rhetorician is apparent at every turn.
Yet noble sentiments are constantly recurring: the true note of Roman
patriotism—‘We Romans are a great people’—resounds through the whole
work. Like Socrates, Cicero turns away from the phenomena of the heavens
to civil and political life. He would rather not discuss the ‘two Suns’ of
which all Rome was talking, when he can converse about ‘the two nations
in one’ which had divided Rome ever since the days of the Gracchi. Like
Socrates again, speaking in the person of Scipio, he is afraid lest he should
assume too much the character of a teacher, rather than of an equal who is
discussing among friends the two sides of a question. He would confine the
terms King or State to the rule of reason and justice, and he will not
concede that title either to a democracy or to a monarchy. But under the rule
of reason and justice he is willing to include the natural superior ruling over
the natural inferior, which he compares to the soul ruling over the body. He
prefers a mixture of forms of government to any single one. The two
portraits of the just and the unjust, which occur in the second book of the
Republic, are transferred to the state—Philus, one of the interlocutors,
maintaining against his will the necessity of injustice as a principle of
government, while the other, Laelius, supports the opposite thesis. His
views of language and number are derived ccxviii from Plato; like him he
denounces the drama. He also declares that if his life were to be twice as
long he would have no time to read the lyric poets. The picture of
democracy is translated by him word for word, though he had hardly shown
himself able to ‘carry the jest’ of Plato. He converts into a stately sentence
the humorous fancy about the animals, who ‘are so imbued with the spirit of
democracy that they make the passers-by get out of their way’ (i. 42). His
description of the tyrant is imitated from Plato, but is far inferior. The
second book is historical, and claims for the Roman constitution (which is
to him the ideal) a foundation of fact such as Plato probably intended to
have given to the Republic in the Critias. His most remarkable imitation of
Plato is the adaptation of the vision of Er, which is converted by Cicero into
the ‘Somnium Scipionis’; he has ‘romanized’ the myth of the Republic,
adding an argument for the immortality of the soul taken from the Phaedrus,
and some other touches derived from the Phaedo and the Timaeus. Though
a beautiful tale and containing splendid passages, the ‘Somnium Scipionis’
is very inferior to the vision of Er; it is only a dream, and hardly allows the
reader to suppose that the writer believes in his own creation. Whether his
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himself tells us, or of Plato, to which they bear many superficial
resemblances, he is still the Roman orator; he is not conversing, but making
speeches, and is never able to mould the intractable Latin to the grace and
ease of the Greek Platonic dialogue. But if he is defective in form, much
more is he inferior to the Greek in matter; he nowhere in his philosophical
writings leaves upon our minds the impression of an original thinker.
Plato’s Republic has been said to be a church and not a state; and such an
ideal of a city in the heavens has always hovered over the Christian world,
and is embodied in St. Augustine’s ‘De Civitate Dei,’ which is suggested by
the decay and fall of the Roman Empire, much in the same manner in which
we may imagine the Republic of Plato to have been influenced by the
decline of Greek politics in the writer’s own age. The difference is that in
the time of Plato the degeneracy, though certain, was gradual and
insensible: whereas the taking of Rome by the Goths stirred like an
earthquake the age of St. Augustine. Men ccxix were inclined to believe that
the overthrow of the city was to be ascribed to the anger felt by the old
Roman deities at the neglect of their worship. St. Augustine maintains the
opposite thesis; he argues that the destruction of the Roman Empire is due,
not to the rise of Christianity, but to the vices of Paganism. He wanders over
Roman history, and over Greek philosophy and mythology, and finds
everywhere crime, impiety and falsehood. He compares the worst parts of
the Gentile religions with the best elements of the faith of Christ. He shows
nothing of the spirit which led others of the early Christian Fathers to
recognize in the writings of the Greek philosophers the power of the divine
truth. He traces the parallel of the kingdom of God, that is, the history of the
Jews, contained in their scriptures, and of the kingdoms of the world, which
are found in gentile writers, and pursues them both into an ideal future. It
need hardly be remarked that his use both of Greek and of Roman historians
and of the sacred writings of the Jews is wholly uncritical. The heathen
mythology, the Sybilline oracles, the myths of Plato, the dreams of Neo-
Platonists are equally regarded by him as matter of fact. He must be
acknowledged to be a strictly polemical or controversial writer who makes
the best of everything on one side and the worst of everything on the other.
He has no sympathy with the old Roman life as Plato has with Greek life,
nor has he any idea of the ecclesiastical kingdom which was to arise out of
the ruins of the Roman empire. He is not blind to the defects of the
Christian Church, and looks forward to a time when Christian and Pagan
shall be alike brought before the judgment-seat, and the true City of God
shall appear…. The work of St. Augustine is a curious repertory of
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but showing little power of reasoning, and a slender knowledge of the
Greek literature and language. He was a great genius, and a noble character,
yet hardly capable of feeling or understanding anything external to his own
theology. Of all the ancient philosophers he is most attracted by Plato,
though he is very slightly acquainted with his writings. He is inclined to
believe that the idea of creation in the Timaeus is derived from the narrative
in Genesis; and he is strangely taken with the coincidence (?) of Plato’s
saying that ‘the philosopher ccxx is the lover of God,’ and the words of the
Book of Exodus in which God reveals himself to Moses (Exod. iii. 14) He
dwells at length on miracles performed in his own day, of which the
evidence is regarded by him as irresistible. He speaks in a very interesting
manner of the beauty and utility of nature and of the human frame, which
he conceives to afford a foretaste of the heavenly state and of the
resurrection of the body. The book is not really what to most persons the
title of it would imply, and belongs to an age which has passed away. But it
contains many fine passages and thoughts which are for all time.
The short treatise de Monarchia of Dante is by far the most remarkable of
mediæval ideals, and bears the impress of the great genius in whom Italy
and the Middle Ages are so vividly reflected. It is the vision of an Universal
Empire, which is supposed to be the natural and necessary government of
the world, having a divine authority distinct from the Papacy, yet
coextensive with it. It is not ‘the ghost of the dead Roman Empire sitting
crowned upon the grave thereof,’ but the legitimate heir and successor of it,
justified by the ancient virtues of the Romans and the beneficence of their
rule. Their right to be the governors of the world is also confirmed by the
testimony of miracles, and acknowledged by St. Paul when he appealed to
Cæsar, and even more emphatically by Christ Himself, Who could not have
made atonement for the sins of men if He had not been condemned by a
divinely authorized tribunal. The necessity for the establishment of an
Universal Empire is proved partly by a priori arguments such as the unity of
God and the unity of the family or nation; partly by perversions of Scripture
and history, by false analogies of nature, by misapplied quotations from the
classics, and by odd scraps and commonplaces of logic, showing a familiar
but by no means exact knowledge of Aristotle (of Plato there is none). But a
more convincing argument still is the miserable state of the world, which he
touchingly describes. He sees no hope of happiness or peace for mankind
until all nations of the earth are comprehended in a single empire. The
whole treatise shows how deeply the idea of the Roman Empire was fixed
in the minds of his contemporaries. Not much argument was needed to
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so natural and congenial. He speaks, or rather preaches, from the point of
view, not of the ecclesiastic, but of the layman, although, as a good
Catholic, he is willing to acknowledge that in certain respects the Empire
must submit to the Church. The beginning and end of all his noble
reflections and of his arguments, good and bad, is the aspiration ‘that in this
little plot of earth belonging to mortal man life may pass in freedom and
peace.’ So inextricably is his vision of the future bound up with the beliefs
and circumstances of his own age.
The ‘Utopia’ of Sir Thomas More is a surprising monument of his genius,
and shows a reach of thought far beyond his contemporaries. The book was
written by him at the age of about 34 or 35, and is full of the generous
sentiments of youth. He brings the light of Plato to bear upon the miserable
state of his own country. Living not long after the Wars of the Roses, and in
the dregs of the Catholic Church in England, he is indignant at the
corruption of the clergy, at the luxury of the nobility and gentry, at the
sufferings of the poor, at the calamities caused by war. To the eye of More
the whole world was in dissolution and decay; and side by side with the
misery and oppression which he has described in the First Book of the
Utopia, he places in the Second Book the ideal state which by the help of
Plato he had constructed. The times were full of stir and intellectual interest.
The distant murmur of the Reformation was beginning to be heard. To
minds like More’s, Greek literature was a revelation: there had arisen an art
of interpretation, and the New Testament was beginning to be understood as
it had never been before, and has not often been since, in its natural sense.
The life there depicted appeared to him wholly unlike that of Christian
commonwealths, in which ‘he saw nothing but a certain conspiracy of rich
men procuring their own commodities under the name and title of the
Commonwealth.’ He thought that Christ, like Plato, ‘instituted all things
common,’ for which reason, he tells us, the citizens of Utopia were the more
willing to receive his doctrines5. The community of ccxxii property is a fixed
idea with him, though he is aware of the arguments which may be urged on
the other side6. We wonder how in the reign of Henry VIII, though veiled in
another language and published in a foreign country, such speculations
could have been endured.
5 ‘Howbeit, I think this was no small help and furtherance in the matter, that
they heard us say that Christ instituted among his, all things common, and that
the same community doth yet remain in the rightest Christian communities’
(Utopia, English Reprints, p. 144).

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6 ‘These things (I say), when I consider with myself, I hold well with Plato, and
do nothing marvel that he would make no laws for them that refused those laws,
whereby all men should have and enjoy equal portions of riches and
commodities. For the wise men did easily foresee this to be the one and only way
to the wealth of a community, if equality of all things should be brought in and
established’ (Utopia, English Reprints, p. 67, 68).

He is gifted with far greater dramatic invention than any one who
succeeded him, with the exception of Swift. In the art of feigning he is a
worthy disciple of Plato. Like him, starting from a small portion of fact, he
founds his tale with admirable skill on a few lines in the Latin narrative of
the voyages of Amerigo Vespucci. He is very precise about dates and facts,
and has the power of making us believe that the narrator of the tale must
have been an eyewitness. We are fairly puzzled by his manner of mixing up
real and imaginary persons; his boy John Clement and Peter Giles, citizen
of Antwerp, with whom he disputes about the precise words which are
supposed to have been used by the (imaginary) Portuguese traveller,
Raphael Hythloday. ‘I have the more cause,’ says Hythloday, ‘to fear that
my words shall not be believed, for that I know how difficultly and hardly I
myself would have believed another man telling the same, if I had not
myself seen it with mine own eyes.’ Or again: ‘If you had been with me in
Utopia, and had presently seen their fashions and laws as I did which lived
there five years and more, and would never have come thence, but only to
make the new land known here,’ etc. More greatly regrets that he forgot to
ask Hythloday in what part of the world Utopia is situated; he ‘would have
spent no small sum of money rather than it should have escaped him,’ and
he begs Peter Giles to see Hythloday or write to him and obtain an answer
to the question. After this we are not surprised to hear that a Professor of
Divinity (perhaps ‘a late famous vicar of Croydon in Surrey,’ as the
translator thinks) is desirous of being sent thither as a missionary by the
High Bishop, ‘yea, and that he may himself be made Bishop of Utopia,
nothing doubting that he must obtain this Bishopric with suit; and he
counteth that a godly ccxxiii suit which proceedeth not of the desire of
honour or lucre, but only of a godly zeal.’ The design may have failed
through the disappearance of Hythloday, concerning whom we have ‘very
uncertain news’ after his departure. There is no doubt, however, that he had
told More and Giles the exact situation of the island, but unfortunately at
the same moment More’s attention, as he is reminded in a letter from Giles,
was drawn off by a servant, and one of the company from a cold caught on
shipboard coughed so loud as to prevent Giles from hearing. And ‘the secret
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The words of Phaedrus (275 B), ‘O Socrates, you can easily invent
Egyptians or anything,’ are recalled to our mind as we read this lifelike
fiction. Yet the greater merit of the work is not the admirable art, but the
originality of thought. More is as free as Plato from the prejudices of his
age, and far more tolerant. The Utopians do not allow him who believes not
in the immortality of the soul to share in the administration of the state (cp.
Laws x. 908 foll.), ‘howbeit they put him to no punishment, because they be
persuaded that it is in no man’s power to believe what he list’; and ‘no man
is to be blamed for reasoning in support of his own religion7.’ In the public
services ‘no prayers be used, but such as every man may boldly pronounce
without giving offence to any sect.’ He says significantly, ‘There be that
give worship to a man that was once of excellent virtue or of famous glory,
not only as God, but also the chiefest and highest God. But the most and the
wisest part, rejecting all these, believe that there is a certain godly power
unknown, far above the capacity and reach of man’s wit, dispersed
throughout all the world, not in bigness, but in virtue and power. Him they
call the Father of all. To Him alone they attribute the beginnings, the
increasings, the proceedings, ccxxiv the changes, and the ends of all things.
Neither give they any divine honours to any other than him.’ So far was
More from sharing the popular beliefs of his time. Yet at the end he reminds
us that he does not in all respects agree with the customs and opinions of
the Utopians which he describes. And we should let him have the benefit of
this saving clause, and not rudely withdraw the veil behind which he has
been pleased to conceal himself.
7 ‘One of our company in my presence was sharply punished. He, as soon as he
was baptised, began, against our wills, with more earnest affection than wisdom,
to reason of Christ’s religion, and began to wax so hot in his matter, that he did
not only prefer our religion before all other, but also did despise and condemn all
other, calling them profane, and the followers of them wicked and devilish, and
the children of everlasting damnation. When he had thus long reasoned the
matter, they laid hold on him, accused him, and condemned him into exile, not as
a despiser of religion, but as a seditious person and a raiser up of dissension
among the people’ (p. 145).

Nor is he less in advance of popular opinion in his political and moral
speculations. He would like to bring military glory into contempt; he would
set all sorts of idle people to profitable occupation, including in the same
class, priests, women, noblemen, gentlemen, and ‘sturdy and valiant
beggars,’ that the labour of all may be reduced to six hours a day. His
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detestation of priests and lawyers8; his remark that ‘although every one may
hear of ravenous dogs and wolves and cruel man-eaters, it is not easy to
find states that are well and wisely governed,’ are curiously at variance with
the notions of his age and indeed with his own life. There are many points
in which he shows a modern feeling and a prophetic insight like Plato. He is
a sanitary reformer; he maintains that civilized states have a right to the soil
of waste countries; he is inclined to the opinion which places happiness in
virtuous pleasures, but herein, as he thinks, not disagreeing from those other
philosophers who define virtue to be a life according to nature. He extends
the idea of happiness so as to include the happiness of others; and he argues
ingeniously, ‘All men agree that we ought to make others happy; but if
others, how much more ourselves!’ And still he thinks that there may be a
more excellent way, but to this no man’s reason can attain unless heaven
should inspire him with a higher truth. His ceremonies before marriage; his
humane proposal that war should be carried on by assassinating the leaders
of the enemy, may be compared to some of the paradoxes of Plato. He has a
charming fancy, like the affinities of Greeks and barbarians in the Timaeus,
that the Utopians learnt the language of the Greeks with the more readiness
because they were originally of the same race with them. He is penetrated
with the spirit of Plato, and quotes or adapts many ccxxv thoughts both from
the Republic and from the Timaeus. He prefers public duties to private, and
is somewhat impatient of the importunity of relations. His citizens have no
silver or gold of their own, but are ready enough to pay them to their
mercenaries (cp. Rep. iv. 422, 423). There is nothing of which he is more
contemptuous than the love of money. Gold is used for fetters of criminals,
and diamonds and pearls for children’s necklaces9.
8 Compare his satirical observation: ‘They (the Utopians) have priests of
exceeding holiness, and therefore very few’ (p. 150).

9 When the ambassadors came arrayed in gold and peacocks’ feathers ‘to the
eyes of all the Utopians except very few, which had been in other countries for
some reasonable cause, all that gorgeousness of apparel seemed shameful and
reproachful. In so much that they most reverently saluted the vilest and most
abject of them for lords—passing over the ambassadors themselves without any
honour, judging them by their wearing of golden chains to be bondmen. You
should have seen children also, that had cast away their pearls and precious
stones, when they saw the like sticking upon the ambassadors’ caps, dig and push
their mothers under the sides, saying thus to them—“Look, mother, how great a
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still.” But the mother; yea and that also in good earnest: “Peace, son,” saith she,
“I think he be some of the ambassadors’ fools”’ (p. 102).

Like Plato he is full of satirical reflections on governments and princes;
on the state of the world and of knowledge. The hero of his discourse
(Hythloday) is very unwilling to become a minister of state, considering
that he would lose his independence and his advice would never be
heeded10. He ridicules the new logic of his time; the Utopians could never
be made to understand the doctrine of Second Intentions11. He is very
severe on the sports of the gentry; the Utopians count ‘hunting the lowest,
the vilest, and the most abject part of butchery.’ He quotes the words of the
Republic in which the philosopher is described ‘standing out of the way
under a wall until the driving storm of sleet and rain be overpast,’ which
admit of a singular application to More’s own fate; although, writing twenty
years before (about the year 1514), ccxxvi he can hardly be supposed to have
foreseen this. There is no touch of satire which strikes deeper than his quiet
remark that the greater part of the precepts of Christ are more at variance
with the lives of ordinary Christians than the discourse of Utopia12.
10 Cp. an exquisite passage at p. 35, of which the conclusion is as follows:
‘And verily it is naturally given … suppressed and ended.’

11 ‘For they have not devised one of all those rules of restrictions,
amplifications, and suppositions, very wittily invented in the small Logicals,
which here our children in every place do learn. Furthermore, they were never
yet able to find out the second intentions; insomuch that none of them all could
ever see man himself in common, as they call him, though he be (as you know)
bigger than was ever any giant, yea, and pointed to of us even with our finger’
(p. 105).

12 ‘And yet the most part of them is more dissident from the manners of the
world now a days, than my communication was. But preachers, sly and wily
men, following your counsel (as I suppose) because they saw men evil-willing to
frame their manners to Christ’s rule, they have wrested and wried his doctrine,
and, like a rule of lead, have applied it to men’s manners, that by some means at
the least way, they might agree together’ (p. 66).

The ‘New Atlantis’ is only a fragment, and far inferior in merit to the
‘Utopia.’ The work is full of ingenuity, but wanting in creative fancy, and by
no means impresses the reader with a sense of credibility. In some places
Lord Bacon is characteristically different from Sir Thomas More, as, for
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Solomon’s House, whose dress he minutely describes, while to Sir Thomas
More such trappings appear simple ridiculous. Yet, after this programme of
dress, Bacon adds the beautiful trait, ‘that he had a look as though he pitied
men.’ Several things are borrowed by him from the Timaeus; but he has
injured the unity of style by adding thoughts and passages which are taken
from the Hebrew Scriptures.
The ‘City of the Sun’ written by Campanella (1568–1639), a Dominican
friar, several years after the ‘New Atlantis’ of Bacon, has many
resemblances to the Republic of Plato. The citizens have wives and children
in common; their marriages are of the same temporary sort, and are
arranged by the magistrates from time to time. They do not, however, adopt
his system of lots, but bring together the best natures, male and female,
‘according to philosophical rules.’ The infants until two years of age are
brought up by their mothers in public temples; and since individuals for the
most part educate their children badly, at the beginning of their third year
they are committed to the care of the State, and are taught at first, not out of
books, but from paintings of all kinds, which are emblazoned on the walls
of the city. The city has six interior circuits of walls, and an outer wall
which is the seventh. On this outer wall are painted the figures of legislators
and philosophers, and ccxxvii on each of the interior walls the symbols or
forms of some one of the sciences are delineated. The women are, for the
most part, trained, like the men, in warlike and other exercises; but they
have two special occupations of their own. After a battle, they and the boys
soothe and relieve the wounded warriors; also they encourage them with
embraces and pleasant words (cp. Plato, Rep. v. 468). Some elements of the
Christian or Catholic religion are preserved among them. The life of the
Apostles is greatly admired by this people because they had all things in
common; and the short prayer which Jesus Christ taught men is used in
their worship. It is a duty of the chief magistrates to pardon sins, and
therefore the whole people make secret confession of them to the
magistrates, and they to their chief, who is a sort of Rector Metaphysicus;
and by this means he is well informed of all that is going on in the minds of
men. After confession, absolution is granted to the citizens collectively, but
no one is mentioned by name. There also exists among them a practice of
perpetual prayer, performed by a succession of priests, who change every
hour. Their religion is a worship of God in Trinity, that is of Wisdom, Love
and Power, but without any distinction of persons. They behold in the sun
the reflection of His glory; mere graven images they reject, refusing to fall
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Many details are given about their customs of eating and drinking, about
their mode of dressing, their employments, their wars. Campanella looks
forward to a new mode of education, which is to be a study of nature, and
not of Aristotle. He would not have his citizens waste their time in the
consideration of what he calls ‘the dead signs of things.’ He remarks that he
who knows one science only, does not really know that one any more than
the rest, and insists strongly on the necessity of a variety of knowledge.
More scholars are turned out in the City of the Sun in one year than by
contemporary methods in ten or fifteen. He evidently believes, like Bacon,
that henceforward natural science will play a great part in education, a hope
which seems hardly to have been realized, either in our own or in any
former age; at any rate the fulfilment of it has been long deferred.
There is a good deal of ingenuity and even originality in this ccxxviii work,
and a most enlightened spirit pervades it. But it has little or no charm of
style, and falls very far short of the ‘New Atlantis’ of Bacon, and still more
of the ‘Utopia’ of Sir Thomas More. It is full of inconsistencies, and though
borrowed from Plato, shows but a superficial acquaintance with his
writings. It is a work such as one might expect to have been written by a
philosopher and man of genius who was also a friar, and who had spent
twenty-seven years of his life in a prison of the Inquisition. The most
interesting feature of the book, common to Plato and Sir Thomas More, is
the deep feeling which is shown by the writer, of the misery and ignorance
prevailing among the lower classes in his own time. Campanella takes note
of Aristotle’s answer to Plato’s community of property, that in a society
where all things are common, no individual would have any motive to work
(Arist. Pol. ii. 5, § 6): he replies, that his citizens being happy and contented
in themselves (they are required to work only four hours a day), will have
greater regard for their fellows than exists among men at present. He thinks,
like Plato, that if he abolishes private feelings and interests, a great public
feeling will take their place.
Other writings on ideal states, such as the ‘Oceana’ of Harrington, in
which the Lord Archon, meaning Cromwell, is described, not as he was, but
as he ought to have been; or the ‘Argenis’ of Barclay, which is an historical
allegory of his own time, are too unlike Plato to be worth mentioning. More
interesting than either of these, and far more Platonic in style and thought,
is Sir John Eliot’s ‘Monarchy of Man,’ in which the prisoner of the Tower,
no longer able ‘to be a politician in the land of his birth,’ turns away from
politics to view ‘that other city which is within him,’ and finds on the very
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self. The change of government in the time of the English Commonwealth
set men thinking about first principles, and gave rise to many works of this
class…. The great original genius of Swift owes nothing to Plato; nor is
there any trace in the conversation or in the works of Dr. Johnson of any
acquaintance with his writings. He probably would have refuted Plato
without reading him, in the same fashion in which he supposed himself to
have refuted Bishop Berkeley’s theory of the non-existence of matter. If we
ccxxix except the so-called English Platonists, or rather Neo-Platonists, who
never understood their master, and the writings of Coleridge, who was to
some extent a kindred spirit, Plato has left no permanent impression on
English literature.

VII. Human life and conduct are affected by ideals in the same way that
they are affected by the examples of eminent men. Neither the one nor the
other are immediately applicable to practice, but there is a virtue flowing
from them which tends to raise individuals above the common routine of
society or trade, and to elevate States above the mere interests of commerce
or the necessities of self-defence. Like the ideals of art they are partly
framed by the omission of particulars; they require to be viewed at a certain
distance, and are apt to fade away if we attempt to approach them. They
gain an imaginary distinctness when embodied in a State or in a system of
philosophy, but they still remain the visions of ‘a world unrealized.’ More
striking and obvious to the ordinary mind are the examples of great men,
who have served their own generation and are remembered in another. Even
in our own family circle there may have been some one, a woman, or even a
child, in whose face has shone forth a goodness more than human. The ideal
then approaches nearer to us, and we fondly cling to it. The ideal of the
past, whether of our own past lives or of former states of society, has a
singular fascination for the minds of many. Too late we learn that such
ideals cannot be recalled, though the recollection of them may have a
humanizing influence on other times. But the abstractions of philosophy are
to most persons cold and vacant; they give light without warmth; they are
like the full moon in the heavens when there are no stars appearing. Men
cannot live by thought alone; the world of sense is always breaking in upon
them. They are for the most part confined to a corner of earth, and see but a
little way beyond their own home or place of abode; they ‘do not lift up
their eyes to the hills’; they are not awake when the dawn appears. But in
Plato we have reached a height from which a man may look into the
distance (Rep. iv. 445 C) and behold the future of the world and of

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philosophy. The ideal of the State and of the life of the philosopher; the
ideal of an education ccxxx continuing through life and extending equally to
both sexes; the ideal of the unity and correlation of knowledge; the faith in
good and immortality—are the vacant forms of light on which Plato is
seeking to fix the eye of mankind.

VIII. Two other ideals, which never appeared above the horizon in Greek
Philosophy, float before the minds of men in our own day: one seen more
clearly than formerly, as though each year and each generation brought us
nearer to some great change; the other almost in the same degree retiring
from view behind the laws of nature, as if oppressed by them, but still
remaining a silent hope of we know not what hidden in the heart of man.
The first ideal is the future of the human race in this world; the second the
future of the individual in another. The first is the more perfect realization
of our own present life; the second, the abnegation of it: the one, limited by
experience, the other, transcending it. Both of them have been and are
powerful motives of action; there are a few in whom they have taken the
place of all earthly interests. The hope of a future for the human race at first
sight seems to be the more disinterested, the hope of individual existence
the more egotistical, of the two motives. But when men have learned to
resolve their hope of a future either for themselves or for the world into the
will of God—‘not my will but Thine,’ the difference between them falls
away; and they may be allowed to make either of them the basis of their
lives, according to their own individual character or temperament. There is
as much faith in the willingness to work for an unseen future in this world
as in another. Neither is it inconceivable that some rare nature may feel his
duty to another generation, or to another century, almost as strongly as to
his own, or that living always in the presence of God, he may realize
another world as vividly as he does this.
The greatest of all ideals may, or rather must be conceived by us under
similitudes derived from human qualities; although sometimes, like the
Jewish prophets, we may dash away these figures of speech and describe
the nature of God only in negatives. These again by degrees acquire a
positive meaning. It would be well, if when meditating on the higher truths
either of ccxxxi philosophy or religion, we sometimes substituted one form of
expression for another, lest through the necessities of language we should
become the slaves of mere words.

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There is a third ideal, not the same, but akin to these, which has a place in
the home and heart of every believer in the religion of Christ, and in which
men seem to find a nearer and more familiar truth, the Divine man, the Son
of Man, the Saviour of mankind, Who is the first-born and head of the
whole family in heaven and earth, in Whom the Divine and human, that
which is without and that which is within the range of our earthly faculties,
are indissolubly united. Neither is this divine form of goodness wholly
separable from the ideal of the Christian Church, which is said in the New
Testament to be ‘His body,’ or at variance with those other images of good
which Plato sets before us. We see Him in a figure only, and of figures of
speech we select but a few, and those the simplest, to be the expression of
Him. We behold Him in a picture, but He is not there. We gather up the
fragments of His discourses, but neither do they represent Him as He truly
was. His dwelling is neither in heaven nor earth, but in the heart of man.
This is that image which Plato saw dimly in the distance, which, when
existing among men, he called, in the language of Homer, ‘the likeness of
God’ (Rep. vi. 501 B), the likeness of a nature which in all ages men have
felt to be greater and better than themselves, and which in endless forms,
whether derived from Scripture or nature, from the witness of history or
from the human heart, regarded as a person or not as a person, with or
without parts or passions, existing in space or not in space, is and will
always continue to be to mankind the Idea of Good.

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THE REPUBLIC.

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BOOK I

SOCRATES, who is the narrator. CEPHALUS.
GLAUCON. THRASYMACHUS.
ADEIMANTUS. CLEITOPHON.
POLEMARCHUS.

And others who are mute auditors.
The scene is laid in the house of Cephalus at the Piraeus; and the whole dialogue is narrated by
Socrates the day after it actually took place to Timaeus, Hermocrates, Critias, and a
nameless person, who are introduced in the Timaeus.

Ed. Steph.
327 Republic I.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
I went down
Meeting of Socrates and Glaucon with Polemarchus at the Bendidean festival.
yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston, that I might offer
up my prayers to the goddess1; and also because I wanted to see in what
manner they would celebrate the festival, which was a new thing. I was
delighted with the procession of the inhabitants; but that of the Thracians
was equally, if not more, beautiful. B When we had finished our prayers
and viewed the spectacle, we turned in the direction of the city; and at that
instant Polemarchus the son of Cephalus chanced to catch sight of us from a
distance as we were starting on our way home, and told his servant to run
and bid us wait for him. The servant took hold of me by the cloak behind,
and said: Polemarchus desires you to wait.
1 Bendis, the Thracian Artemis.

I turned round, and asked him where his master was.
There he is, said the youth, coming after you, if you will only wait.
SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS, GLAUCON, ADEIMANTUS, CEPHALUS. 2 C Certainly we will,
said Glaucon; and in a few minutes Polemarchus appeared, and with him
Adeimantus, Glaucon’s brother, Niceratus the son of Nicias, and several
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Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and your
companion are already on your way to the city.
You are not far wrong, I said.
But do you see, he rejoined, how many we are?
Of course.
And are you stronger than all these? for if not, you will have to remain
where you are.
May there not be the alternative, I said, that we may persuade you to let
us go?
But can you persuade us, if we refuse to listen to you? he said.
Certainly not, replied Glaucon.
Then we are not going to listen; of that you may be assured.
328 The equestrian torch-race. Adeimantus added: Has no one told you of the
torch-race on horseback in honour of the goddess which will take place in
the evening?
With horses! I replied: That is a novelty. Will horsemen carry torches and
pass them one to another during the race?
Yes, said Polemarchus, and not only so, but a festival will be celebrated
at night, which you certainly ought to see. Let us rise soon after supper and
see this festival; there will be a gathering of young men, and we will have a
good talk. B Stay then, and do not be perverse.
Glaucon said: I suppose, since you insist, that we must.
Very good, I replied.
Accordingly we went with
The gathering of friends at the house of Cephalus.
Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his brothers Lysias and
Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the Chalcedonian, Charmantides
the Paeanian, and Cleitophon the son of Aristonymus. There too was
Cephalus the father of Polemarchus, whom I had not seen for a long time,
and I thought him very much aged. C He was seated on a cushioned chair,
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there were some other chairs in the room arranged in a semicircle, 3 upon
which we sat down by him. He saluted me eagerly, and then he said:—
CEPHALUS, SOCRATES. You don’t come to see me, Socrates, as often as you
ought: If I were still able to go and see you I would not ask you to come to
me. But at my age I can hardly get to the city, and therefore you should
come oftener to the Piraeus. D For let me tell you, that the more the
pleasures of the body fade away, the greater to me is the pleasure and charm
of conversation. Do not then deny my request, but make our house your
resort and keep company with these young men; we are old friends, and you
will be quite at home with us.
I replied: There is nothing which for my part I like better, Cephalus, than
conversing with aged men; E for I regard them as travellers who have gone
a journey which I too may have to go, and of whom I ought to enquire,
whether the way is smooth and easy, or rugged and difficult. And this is a
question which I should like to ask of you who have arrived at that time
which the poets call the ‘threshold of old age’—Is life harder towards the
end, or what report do you give of it?
I will tell you, Socrates, he
329 Old age is not to blame for the troubles of old men.
said, what my own feeling is. Men of my age flock together; we are birds of
a feather, as the old proverb says; and at our meetings the tale of my
acquaintance commonly is—I cannot eat, I cannot drink; the pleasures of
youth and love are fled away: there was a good time once, but now that is
gone, and life is no longer life. B Some complain of the slights which are
put upon them by relations, and they will tell you sadly of how many evils
their old age is the cause. But to me, Socrates, these complainers seem to
blame that which is not really in fault. For if old age were the cause, I too
being old, and every other old man, would have felt as they do. But this is
not my own experience, nor that of others whom I have known. How well I
remember the aged poet Sophocles, when in answer to the question,
C How does love suit with age, Sophocles,—are you still the man you
were? The excellent saying of Sophocles. Peace, he replied; most gladly have I
escaped the thing of which you speak; I feel as if I had escaped from a mad
and furious master. His words have often occurred to my mind since, and
they seem as good to me now as at the time when he uttered them. 4 For
certainly old age has a great sense of calm and freedom; when the passions
relax their hold, then, as Sophocles says, D we are freed from the grasp not
of one mad master only, but of many. The truth is, Socrates, that these
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same cause, which is not old age, but men’s characters and tempers; for he
who is of a calm and happy nature will hardly feel the pressure of age, but
to him who is of an opposite disposition youth and age are equally a burden.
It is admitted that the old, if they are to be comfortable, must have a fair share of external goods;
neither virtue alone nor riches alone can make an old man happy. I listened in admiration,
and wanting to draw him out, that he might go on— E Yes, Cephalus, I
said: but I rather suspect that people in general are not convinced by you
when you speak thus; they think that old age sits lightly upon you, not
because of your happy disposition, but because you are rich, and wealth is
well known to be a great comforter.
You are right, he replied; they are not convinced: and there is something
in what they say; not, however, so much as they imagine. I might answer
them as Themistocles answered the Seriphian who was abusing him and
saying that he was famous, not for his own merits but because he 330 was
an Athenian: ‘If you had been a native of my country or I of yours, neither
of us would have been famous.’ And to those who are not rich and are
impatient of old age, the same reply may be made; for to the good poor man
old age cannot be a light burden, nor can a bad rich man ever have peace
with himself.
May I ask, Cephalus, whether your fortune was for the most part
inherited or acquired by you?
Cephalus has inherited rather than made a fortune; he is therefore indifferent to money.
Acquired! B Socrates; do you want to know how much I acquired? In the
art of making money I have been midway between my father and
grandfather: for my grandfather, whose name I bear, doubled and trebled the
value of his patrimony, that which he inherited being much what I possess
now; but my father Lysanias reduced the property below what it is at
present: and I shall be satisfied if I leave to these my sons not less but a
little more than I received.
That was why I asked you the question, I replied, because I see that you
are indifferent about money, C which is a characteristic rather of those who
have inherited their fortunes than of those who have acquired them; the
makers 5 of fortunes have a second love of money as a creation of their
own, resembling the affection of authors for their own poems, or of parents
for their children, besides that natural love of it for the sake of use and
profit which is common to them and all men. And hence they are very bad
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That is true, he said.
The advantages of wealth. D Yes, that is very true, but may I ask another
question?—What do you consider to be the greatest blessing which you
have reaped from your wealth?
The fear of death and the consciousness of sin become more vivid in old age; and to be rich frees
a man from many temptations. One, he said, of which I could not expect easily to
convince others. For let me tell you, Socrates, that when a man thinks
himself to be near death, fears and cares enter into his mind which he never
had before; the tales of a world below and the punishment which is exacted
there of deeds done here were once a laughing matter to him, E but now he
is tormented with the thought that they may be true: either from the
weakness of age, or because he is now drawing nearer to that other place, he
has a clearer view of these things; suspicions and alarms crowd thickly
upon him, and he begins to reflect and consider what wrongs he has done to
others. And when he finds that the sum of his transgressions is great he will
many a time like a child start up in his sleep for fear, and he is filled with
dark forebodings. But 331 to him who is conscious of no sin, sweet hope,
as Pindar charmingly says, is the kind nurse of his age:

‘Hope,’ he says, ‘cherishes the soul of him who lives in justice and holiness, and is the
nurse of his age and the companion of his journey;—hope which is mightiest to sway the
restless soul of man.’ The admirable strain of Pindar.

How admirable are his words! And the great blessing of riches, B I do not
say to every man, but to a good man, is, that he has had no occasion to
deceive or to defraud others, either intentionally or unintentionally; and
when he departs to the world below he is not in any apprehension about
offerings due to the gods or debts which he owes to men. Now to this peace
of mind the possession of wealth greatly contributes; and therefore I say,
that, setting one thing against another, of the many advantages which wealth
has to give, to a man of sense this is in my opinion the greatest. 6
CEPHALUS, SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS.
Justice to speak truth and pay your debts. C Well said, Cephalus, I replied; but as
concerning justice, what is it?—to speak the truth and to pay your debts—
no more than this? And even to this are there not exceptions? Suppose that a
friend when in his right mind has deposited arms with me and he asks for
them when he is not in his right mind, ought I to give them back to him? No

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one would say that I ought or that I should be right in doing so, any more
than they would say that I ought always to speak the truth to one who is in
his condition.
D You are quite right, he replied.

But then, I said, speaking the truth and paying your debts is not a correct
definition of justice.
This is the definition of Simonides. But you ought not on all occasions to do either. What then
was his meaning? Quite correct, Socrates, if Simonides is to be believed, said
Polemarchus interposing.
I fear, said Cephalus, that I must go now, for I have to look after the
sacrifices, and I hand over the argument to Polemarchus and the company.
Is not Polemarchus your heir? I said.
To be sure, he answered, and went away laughing to the sacrifices.
E Tell me then, O thou heir of the argument, what did Simonides say,
and according to you truly say, about justice?
He said that the repayment of a debt is just, and in saying so he appears
to me to be right.
I should be sorry to doubt the word of such a wise and inspired man, but
his meaning, though probably clear to you, is the reverse of clear to me. For
he certainly does not mean, as we were just now saying, that I ought to
return a deposit of arms or of anything else to one who asks for it 332 when
he is not in his right senses; and yet a deposit cannot be denied to be a debt.
True.
Then when the person who asks me is not in his right mind I am by no
means to make the return?
Certainly not.
When Simonides said that the repayment of a debt was justice, he did not
mean to include that case?
Certainly not; for he thinks that a friend ought always to do good to a
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SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS. B You mean that the return of a deposit of gold
which is to the injury of the receiver, if the two parties are friends, is not the
repayment of a debt,—that is what you would imagine him to say?
Yes.
And are enemies also to receive what we owe to them?
To be sure, he said, they are to receive what we owe them, and an enemy,
as I take it, owes to an enemy that which is due or proper to him—that is to
say, evil.
Simonides, then, after the manner of poets, would seem to have spoken
darkly of the nature of justice; C for he really meant to say that justice is
the giving to each man what is proper to him, and this he termed a debt.
That must have been his meaning, he said.
By heaven! I replied; and if we asked him what due or proper thing is
given by medicine, and to whom, what answer do you think that he would
make to us?
He would surely reply that medicine gives drugs and meat and drink to
human bodies.
And what due or proper thing is given by cookery, and to what?
D Seasoning to food.

And what is that which justice gives, and to whom?
If, Socrates, we are to be guided at all by the analogy of the preceding
instances, then justice is the art which gives good to friends and evil to
enemies.
That is his meaning then?
I think so.
And who is best able to do good to his friends and evil to his
Illustrations.
enemies in time of sickness?
The physician.
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The pilot.
And in what sort of actions or with a view to what result is the just man
most able to do harm to his enemy and good to his friend?
In going to war against the one and in making alliances with the other.
But when a man is well, my dear Polemarchus, there is no need of a
physician? 8
No.
And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
No.
Then in time of peace justice will be of no use?
I am very far from thinking so.
333 You think that justice may be of use in peace as well as in war?

Yes.
Like husbandry for the acquisition of corn?
Yes.
Or like shoemaking for the acquisition of shoes,—that is what you mean?
Yes.
And what similar use or power of acquisition has justice in time of
peace?
Justice is useful in contracts, In contracts, Socrates, justice is of use.
And by contracts you mean partnerships?
Exactly.
B But is the just man or the skilful player a more useful and better
partner at a game of draughts?
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And in the laying of bricks and stones is the just man a more useful or
better partner than the builder?
Quite the reverse.
Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the
harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better
partner than the just man?
In a money partnership.
Yes, Polemarchus, but surely not in the use of money; for you do not
want a just man to be your counsellor in the purchase or sale of a horse; a
man who is knowing about C horses would be better for that, would he
not?
Certainly.
And when you want to buy a ship, the shipwright or the pilot would be
better?
True.
Then what is that joint use of silver or gold in which the just man is to be
preferred?
especially in the safe-keeping of deposits. When you want a deposit to be kept
safely.
You mean when money is not wanted, but allowed to lie? 9
Precisely.
But not in the use of money: and if so, justice is only useful when money or anything else is
useless. That is to say, justice is useful when money is useless?

D That is the inference.

And when you want to keep a pruning-hook safe, then justice is useful to
the individual and to the state; but when you want to use it, then the art of
the vine-dresser?
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And when you want to keep a shield or a lyre, and not to use them, you
would say that justice is useful; but when you want to use them, then the art
of the soldier or of the musician?
Certainly.
And so of all other things;—justice is useful when they are useless, and
useless when they are useful?
That is the inference.
E Then justice is not good for much. But let us consider this further
point: Is not he who can best strike a blow in a boxing match or in any kind
of fighting best able to ward off a blow?
Certainly.
And he who is most skilful in preventing or escaping2 from a disease is
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2 Reading φυλάξασθαι καὶ λαθεῖν, οὗτος, κτλ.

True.
A new point of view: Is not he who is best able to do good best able to do evil? And he is
the best guard of a camp who is best able to 334 steal a march upon the
enemy?
Certainly.
Then he who is a good keeper of anything is also a good thief?
That, I suppose, is to be inferred.
Then if the just man is good at keeping money, he is good at stealing it.
That is implied in the argument.
Then after all the just man has turned out to be a thief. And this is a
lesson which I suspect you must have learnt out of Homer; B for he,
speaking of Autolycus, the maternal grandfather of Odysseus, who is a
favourite of his, affirms that

‘He was excellent above all men in theft and perjury.’

And so, you and Homer and Simonides are agreed that 10 justice is an art of
theft; to be practised however ‘for the good of friends and for the harm of
enemies,’—that was what you were saying?
No, certainly not that, though I do not now know what I did say; but I
still stand by the latter words.
C Well, there is another question: By friends and enemies do we mean
those who are so really, or only in seeming?
Justice an art of theft to be practised for the good of friends and the harm of enemies. But who are
friends and enemies? Surely, he said, a man may be expected to love those
whom he thinks good, and to hate those whom he thinks evil.
Yes, but do not persons often err about good and evil: many who are not
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Then to them the good will be enemies and the evil will be their friends?
True.
And in that case they will be right in doing good to the evil and D evil to
the good?
Clearly.
But the good are just and would not do an injustice?
True.
Then according to your argument it is just to injure those who do no
wrong?
Nay, Socrates; the doctrine is immoral.
Then I suppose that we ought to do good to the just and harm to the
unjust?
I like that better.
Mistakes will sometimes happen. But see the consequence:—Many a man who
is ignorant of human nature has friends who are bad friends, E and in that
case he ought to do harm to them; and he has good enemies whom he ought
to benefit; but, if so, we shall be saying the very opposite of that which we
affirmed to be the meaning of Simonides.
Very true, he said: and I think that we had better correct an error into
which we seem to have fallen in the use of the words ‘friend’ and ‘enemy.’
What was the error, Polemarchus? I asked.
We assumed that he is a friend who seems to be or who is thought good.
Correction of the definition.
To appearance we must add reality. He is a friend who ‘is’ as well as ‘seems’ good, And we should do
good to our good friends and harm to our bad enemies. And how is the error to be
corrected?
We should rather say that he is a friend who is, as well as 11 seems, good;
335 and that he who seems only, and is not good, only seems to be and is
not a friend; and of an enemy the same may be said.
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Yes.
And instead of saying simply as we did at first, that it is just to do good to
our friends and harm to our enemies, we should further say: It is just to do
good to our friends when they are good and harm to our enemies when they
are evil?
B Yes, that appears to me to be the truth.

But ought the just to injure any one at all?
Undoubtedly he ought to injure those who are both wicked and his
enemies.
To harm men is to injure them; and to injure them is to make them unjust. But justice cannot
produce injustice. When horses are injured, are they improved or deteriorated?

The latter.
Deteriorated, that is to say, in the good qualities of horses, not of dogs?
Yes, of horses.
And dogs are deteriorated in the good qualities of dogs, and not of
horses?
Of course.
C And will not men who are injured be deteriorated in that which is the
proper virtue of man?
Certainly.
And that human virtue is justice?
To be sure.
Then men who are injured are of necessity made unjust?
That is the result.
Illustrations. But can the musician by his art make men unmusical?
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Impossible.
And can the just by justice make men unjust, or speaking D generally,
can the good by virtue make them bad?
Assuredly not.
Any more than heat can produce cold?
It cannot.
Or drought moisture? 12
SOCRATES, POLEMARCHUS, THRASYMACHUS. Clearly not.
Nor can the good harm any one?
Impossible.
And the just is the good?
Certainly.
Then to injure a friend or any one else is not the act of a just man, but of
the opposite, who is the unjust?
I think that what you say is quite true, Socrates.
E Then if a man says that justice consists in the repayment of debts, and
that good is the debt which a just man owes to his friends, and evil the debt
which he owes to his enemies,—to say this is not wise; for it is not true, if,
as has been clearly shown, the injuring of another can be in no case just.
I agree with you, said Polemarchus.
Then you
The saying however explained is not to be attributed to any good or wise man.
and I are prepared to take up arms against any one who attributes such a
saying to Simonides or Bias or Pittacus, or any other wise man or seer?
I am quite ready to do battle at your side, he said.
336 Shall I tell you whose I believe the saying to be?

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I believe that Periander or Perdiccas or Xerxes or Ismenias the Theban, or
some other rich and mighty man, who had a great opinion of his own
power, was the first to say that justice is ‘doing good to your friends and
harm to your enemies.’
Most true, he said.
Yes, I said; but if this definition of justice also breaks down, what other
can be offered?
The brutality of Thrasymachus. B Several times in the course of the discussion
Thrasymachus had made an attempt to get the argument into his own hands,
and had been put down by the rest of the company, who wanted to hear the
end. But when Polemarchus and I had done speaking and there was a pause,
he could no longer hold his peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us
like a wild beast, seeking to devour us. We were quite panic-stricken at the
sight of him.
He roared out to the whole company: What folly, Socrates, has taken
possession of you all? C And why, sillybillies, do you knock under to one
another? I say that if you want really to know what justice is, you should
not only ask but 13 SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. answer, and you should not seek
honour to yourself from the refutation of an opponent, but have your own
answer; for there is many a one who can ask and cannot answer. D And
now I will not have you say that justice is duty or advantage or profit or
gain or interest, for this sort of nonsense will not do for me; I must have
clearness and accuracy.
I was panic-stricken at his words, and could not look at him without
trembling. Indeed I believe that if I had not fixed my eye upon him, I should
have been struck dumb: but when I saw his fury rising, I looked at him first,
and was E therefore able to reply to him.
Thrasymachus, I said, with a quiver, don’t be hard upon us. Polemarchus
and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in the argument, but I can
assure you that the error was not intentional. If we were seeking for a piece
of gold, you would not imagine that we were ‘knocking under to one
another,’ and so losing our chance of finding it. And why, when we are
seeking for justice, a thing more precious than many pieces of gold, do you
say that we are weakly yielding to one another and not doing our utmost to
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so, but the fact is that we cannot. And if so, you people who know all things
should pity us and not be angry with us.
337 How characteristic of Socrates! he replied, with a bitter laugh;—
that’s your ironical style! Did I not foresee—have I not already told you,
that whatever he was asked he would refuse to answer, and try irony or any
other shuffle, in order that he might avoid answering? Socrates cannot give any
answer if all true answers are excluded.
Thrasymachus is assailed with his own weapons.

You are a philosopher, Thrasymachus, I replied, and well know that if
you ask a person what numbers make up twelve, B taking care to prohibit
him whom you ask from answering twice six, or three times four, or six
times two, or four times three, ‘for this sort of nonsense will not do for
me,’—then obviously, if that is your way of putting the question, no one can
answer you. But suppose that he were to retort, ‘Thrasymachus, what do
you mean? If one of these numbers which you interdict be the true answer
to the question, am I falsely to say some other number which is not the right
one?—is C that your meaning?’—How would you answer him?
Just as if the two cases were at all alike! he said. 14 SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS,
GLAUCON.

Why should they not be? I replied; and even if they are not, but only
appear to be so to the person who is asked, ought he not to say what he
thinks, whether you and I forbid him or not?
I presume then that you are going to make one of the interdicted
answers?
I dare say that I may, notwithstanding the danger, if upon reflection I
approve of any of them.
D But what if I give you an answer about justice other and better, he
said, than any of these? What do you deserve to have done to you?
Done to me!—as becomes the ignorant, I must learn from the wise—that
is what I deserve to have done to me.
The Sophist demands payment for his instructions. The company are very willing to contribute.
What, and no payment! a pleasant notion!
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But you have, Socrates, said Glaucon: and you, Thrasymachus, need be
under no anxiety about money, for we will all make a contribution for
Socrates.
E Yes, he replied, and then Socrates will do as he always does—refuse
to answer himself, but take and pull to pieces the answer of some one else.
Socrates knows little or nothing: how can he answer? And he is deterred by the interdict of
Thrasymachus. Why, my good friend, I said, how can any one answer who
knows, and says that he knows, just nothing; and who, even if he has some
faint notions of his own, is told by a man of authority not to utter them? The
natural thing is, that 338 the speaker should be some one like yourself who
professes to know and can tell what he knows. Will you then kindly answer,
for the edification of the company and of myself?
Glaucon and the rest of the company joined in my request, and
Thrasymachus, as any one might see, was in reality eager to speak; for he
thought that he had an excellent answer, and would distinguish himself. But
at first he affected to insist on my answering; at length he consented to
begin. B Behold, he said, the wisdom of Socrates; he refuses to teach
himself, and goes about learning of others, to whom he never even says
Thank you.
That I learn of others, I replied, is quite true; but that I am ungrateful I
wholly deny. Money I have none, and therefore I pay in praise, which is all
I have; and how ready 15 SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. I am to praise any one who
appears to me to speak well you will very soon find out when you answer;
for I expect that you will answer well.
The definition of Thrasymachus: ‘Justice is the interest of the stronger or ruler.’ C Listen,
then, he said; I proclaim that justice is nothing else than the interest of the
stronger. And now why do you not praise me? But of course you won’t.
Let me first understand you, I replied. Justice, as you say, is the interest
of the stronger. What, Thrasymachus, is the meaning of this? You cannot
mean to say that because Polydamas, the pancratiast, is stronger than we
are, and finds the eating of beef conducive to his bodily strength, that to
D eat beef is therefore equally for our good who are weaker than he is, and
right and just for us?
That’s abominable of you, Socrates; you take the words in the sense
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Not at all, my good sir, I said; I am trying to understand them; and I wish
that you would be a little clearer.
Well, he said, have you never heard that forms of government differ;
there are tyrannies, and there are democracies, and there are aristocracies?
Yes, I know.
And the government is the ruling power in each state?
Certainly.
Socrates compels Thrasymachus to explain his meaning. E And the different forms of
government make laws democratical, aristocratical, tyrannical, with a view
to their several interests; and these laws, which are made by them for their
own interests, are the justice which they deliver to their subjects, and him
who transgresses them they punish as a breaker of the law, and unjust. And
that is what I mean when I say that in all states there is the same principle of
justice, which is the interest of the government; and 339 as the government
must be supposed to have power, the only reasonable conclusion is, that
everywhere there is one principle of justice, which is the interest of the
stronger.
Now I understand you, I said; and whether you are right or not I will try
to discover. But let me remark, that in defining justice you have yourself
used the word ‘interest’ which you forbade me to use. It is true, however,
that in your definition the words ‘of the stronger’ are added.
B A small addition, you must allow, he said. 16

Great or small, never mind about that: we must first enquire whether
what you are saying is the truth. Now we are both agreed that justice is
interest of some sort, but you go on to say ‘of the stronger’; about this
addition I am not so sure, and must therefore consider further.
Proceed.
I will; and first tell me, Do
He is dissatisfied with the explanation; for rulers may err.
you admit that it is just for subjects to obey their rulers?
I do.
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To be sure, he replied, they are liable to err.
Then in making their laws they may sometimes make them rightly, and
sometimes not?
True.
When they make them rightly, they make them agreeably to their interest;
when they are mistaken, contrary to their interest; you admit that?
Yes.
And the laws which they make must be obeyed by their subjects,—and
that is what you call justice?
Doubtless.
And then the justice which makes a mistake will turn out to be the reverse of the interest of the
stronger. D Then justice, according to your argument, is not only obedience
to the interest of the stronger but the reverse?
What is that you are saying? he asked.
I am only repeating what you are saying, I believe. But let us consider:
Have we not admitted that the rulers may be mistaken about their own
interest in what they command, and also that to obey them is justice? Has
not that been admitted?
Yes.
E Then you must also have acknowledged justice not to be for the
interest of the stronger, when the rulers unintentionally command things to
be done which are to their own injury. For if, as you say, justice is the
obedience which the subject renders to their commands, in that case, O
wisest of men, is there any escape from the conclusion that the weaker are
commanded to do, not what is for the interest, but what is for the injury of
the stronger?
Nothing can be clearer, Socrates, said Polemarchus. 17 SOCRATES, CLEITOPHON,
POLEMARCHUS, THRASYMACHUS.

340 Yes, said Cleitophon, interposing, if you are allowed to be his
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But there is no need of any witness, said Polemarchus, for Thrasymachus
himself acknowledges that rulers may sometimes command what is not for
their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice.
Cleitophon tries to make a way of escape for Thrasymachus by inserting the words ‘thought to
be.’Yes, Polemarchus,—Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what
was commanded by their rulers is just.
Yes, Cleitophon, but he also said that justice is the interest B of the
stronger, and, while admitting both these propositions, he further
acknowledged that the stronger may command the weaker who are his
subjects to do what is not for his own interest; whence follows that justice is
the injury quite as much as the interest of the stronger.
But, said Cleitophon, he meant by the interest of the stronger what the
stronger thought to be his interest,—this was what the weaker had to do;
and this was affirmed by him to be justice.
Those were not his words, rejoined Polemarchus.
C Never mind, I replied, if he now says that they are, let us accept his
statement. Tell me, Thrasymachus, I said, did you mean by justice what the
stronger thought to be his interest, whether really so or not? This evasion is
repudiated by Thrasymachus;

Certainly not, he said. Do you suppose that I call him who is mistaken the
stronger at the time when he is mistaken?
Yes, I said, my impression was that you did so, when you admitted that
the ruler was not infallible but might be sometimes mistaken. who adopts another
line of defence: ‘No artist or ruler is ever mistaken qua artist or ruler.’

D You argue like an informer, Socrates. Do you mean, for example, that
he who is mistaken about the sick is a physician in that he is mistaken? or
that he who errs in arithmetic or grammar is an arithmetician or grammarian
at the time when he is making the mistake, in respect of the mistake? True,
we say that the physician or arithmetician or grammarian has made a
mistake, but this is only a way of speaking; for the fact is that neither the
grammarian nor any other person of skill ever makes a mistake in so far as
he is what his name implies; they none of them err unless their skill fails
them, and then they cease to be skilled artists. 18 SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. No
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though he is commonly said to err, and E I adopted the common mode of
speaking. But to be perfectly accurate, since you are such a lover of
accuracy, we should say that the ruler, in so far as he is a ruler, is unerring,
and, 341 being unerring, always commands that which is for his own
interest; and the subject is required to execute his commands; and therefore,
as I said at first and now repeat, justice is the interest of the stronger.
Indeed, Thrasymachus, and do I really appear to you to argue like an
informer?
Certainly, he replied.
And do you suppose that I ask these questions with any design of injuring
you in the argument?
Nay, he replied, ‘suppose’ is not the word—I know it; B but you will be
found out, and by sheer force of argument you will never prevail.
I shall not make the attempt, my dear man; but to avoid any
misunderstanding occurring between us in future, let me ask, in what sense
do you speak of a ruler or stronger whose interest, as you were saying, he
being the superior, it is just that the inferior should execute—is he a ruler in
the popular or in the strict sense of the term?
In the strictest of all senses, he said. And now cheat and play the informer
if you can; I ask no quarter at your hands. But you never will be able, never.
The essential meaning of words distinguished from their attributes. C And do you
imagine, I said, that I am such a madman as to try and cheat,
Thrasymachus? I might as well shave a lion.
Why, he said, you made the attempt a minute ago, and you failed.
Enough, I said, of these civilities. It will be better that I should ask you a
question: Is the physician, taken in that strict sense of which you are
speaking, a healer of the sick or a maker of money? And remember that I
am now speaking of the true physician.
A healer of the sick, he replied.
And the pilot—that is to say, the true pilot—is he a captain of sailors or a
mere sailor?
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D The circumstance that he sails in the ship is not to be taken into
account; neither is he to be called a sailor; the name pilot by which he is
distinguished has nothing to do with sailing, but is significant of his skill
and of his authority over the sailors.
Very true, he said.
Now, I said, every art has an interest?
Certainly.
For which the art has to consider and provide?
Yes, that is the aim of art.
And the interest of any art is the perfection of it—this and nothing else?
E What do you mean?

I mean what I may illustrate negatively by the example of the body.
Suppose you were to ask me whether the body is self-sufficing or has
wants, I should reply: Certainly the body has wants; for the body may be ill
and require to be cured, and has therefore interests to which the art of
medicine ministers; and this is the origin and intention of medicine, as you
will acknowledge. Am I not right?
342 Quite right, he replied.

But is the art
Art has no imperfection to be corrected, and therefore no extraneous interest.
of medicine or any other art faulty or deficient in any quality in the same
way that the eye may be deficient in sight or the ear fail of hearing, and
therefore requires another art to provide for the interests of seeing and
hearing—has art in itself, I say, any similar liability to fault or defect, and
does every art require another supplementary art to provide for its interests,
and that another and another without end? Or have the arts to look only
B after their own interests? Or have they no need either of themselves or of
another?—having no faults or defects, they have no need to correct them,
either by the exercise of their own art or of any other; they have only to
consider the interest of their subject-matter. For every art remains pure and
faultless while remaining true—that is to say, while perfect and unimpaired.
Take the words in your precise sense, and tell me whether I am not right.
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Illustrations. C Then medicine does not consider the interest of medicine,
but the interest of the body? 20
True, he said.
Nor does the art of horsemanship consider the interests of the art of
horsemanship, but the interests of the horse; neither do any other arts care
for themselves, for they have no needs; they care only for that which is the
subject of their art?
True, he said.
But surely, Thrasymachus, the arts are the superiors and rulers of their
own subjects?
To this he assented with a good deal of reluctance.
Then, I said, no science or art considers or enjoins the interest of the
stronger or superior, but only the interest of the D subject and weaker?
He made an attempt to contest this proposition also, but finally
acquiesced.
Then, I continued, no physician, in so far as he is a physician, considers
his own good in what he prescribes, but the good of his patient; for the true
physician is also a ruler having the human body as a subject, and is not a
mere money-maker; that has been admitted?
Yes.
And the pilot likewise, in the strict sense of the term, is a ruler of sailors
and not a mere sailor?
E That has been admitted.

And such a pilot and ruler will provide and prescribe for the interest of
the sailor who is under him, and not for his own or the ruler’s interest?
He gave a reluctant ‘Yes.’
Then, I said, Thrasymachus, there is no one in
The disinterestedness of rulers.
any rule who, in so far as he is a ruler, considers or enjoins what is for his
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his art; to that he looks, and that alone he considers in everything which he
says and does.
343 When we had got to this point in the argument, and every one saw
that the definition of justice had been completely upset, Thrasymachus,
instead of replying to me, said: Tell me, Socrates, have you got a nurse?
Why do you ask such a question, I said, when
The impudence of Thrasymachus.
you ought rather to be answering?
Because she leaves you to snivel, and never wipes your 21 nose: she has
not even taught you to know the shepherd from the sheep.
What makes you say that? I replied.
Thrasymachus dilates upon the advantages of injustice, B Because you fancy that the
shepherd or neatherd fattens or tends the sheep or oxen with a view to their
own good and not to the good of himself or his master; and you further
imagine that the rulers of states, if they are true rulers, never think of their
subjects as sheep, and that they are not studying their own advantage day
and night. Oh, no; C and so entirely astray are you in your ideas about the
just and unjust as not even to know that justice and the just are in reality
another’s good; that is to say, the interest of the ruler and stronger, and the
loss of the subject and servant; and injustice the opposite; for the unjust is
lord over the truly simple and just: he is the stronger, and his subjects do
what is for his interest, and minister to his D happiness, which is very far
from being their own. Consider further, most foolish Socrates, that the just
is always a loser in comparison with the unjust. First of all, in private
contracts: wherever the unjust is the partner of the just you will find that,
when the partnership is dissolved, the unjust man has always more and the
just less. Secondly, in their dealings with the State: when there is an
income-tax, the just man will pay more and the unjust less on the same
amount of income; and when there is anything to be E received the one
gains nothing and the other much. especially when pursued on a great scale. Observe
also what happens when they take an office; there is the just man neglecting
his affairs and perhaps suffering other losses, and getting nothing out of the
public, because he is just; moreover he is hated by his friends and
acquaintance for refusing to serve them in unlawful ways. But all this is
reversed in the case of the unjust man. I am speaking, as before, 344 of
injustice on a large scale in which the advantage of the unjust is most
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highest form of injustice in which the criminal is the happiest of men, and
the sufferers or those who refuse to do injustice are the most miserable—
that is to say tyranny, Tyranny. which by fraud and force takes away the
property of others, not little by little but wholesale; comprehending in one,
things sacred as well as profane, B private 22 and public; for which acts of
wrong, if he were detected perpetrating any one of them singly, he would be
punished and incur great disgrace—they who do such wrong in particular
cases are called robbers of temples, and man-stealers and burglars and
swindlers and thieves. But when a man besides taking away the money of
the citizens has made slaves of them, then, instead of these names of
reproach, he C is termed happy and blessed, not only by the citizens but by
all who hear of his having achieved the consummation of injustice. For
mankind censure injustice, fearing that they may be the victims of it and not
because they shrink from committing it. And thus, as I have shown,
Socrates, injustice, when on a sufficient scale, has more strength and
freedom and mastery than justice; and, as I said at first, justice is the interest
of the stronger, whereas injustice is a man’s own profit and interest.
Thrasymachus having made his speech wants to run away, but is detained by the company.
D Thrasymachus, when he had thus spoken, having, like a bath-man,
deluged our ears with his words, had a mind to go away. But the company
would not let him; they insisted that he should remain and defend his
position; and I myself added my own humble request that he would not
leave us. Thrasymachus, I said to him, excellent man, how suggestive are
your remarks! And are you going to run away before you have fairly taught
or learned whether they are true or not? E Is the attempt to determine the
way of man’s life so small a matter in your eyes—to determine how life
may be passed by each one of us to the greatest advantage?
And do I differ from you, he said, as to the importance of the enquiry?
You appear rather, I replied, to have no care or thought about us,
Thrasymachus—whether we live better or worse from not knowing what
you say you know, is to you a matter of indifference. 345 Prithee, friend, do
not keep your knowledge to yourself; we are a large party; and any benefit
which you confer upon us will be amply rewarded. For my own part I
openly declare that I am not convinced, and that I do not believe injustice to
be more gainful than justice, even if uncontrolled and allowed to have free
play. For, granting that there may be an unjust man who is able to commit
injustice either by fraud or force, still this does not convince me of the 23
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same predicament with myself. Perhaps we may be wrong; B if so, you in
your wisdom should convince us that we are mistaken in preferring justice
to injustice.
And how am I to convince you, he said, if you
The swagger of Thrasymachus.
are not already convinced by what I have just said; what more can I do for
you? Would you have me put the proof bodily into your souls?
Heaven forbid! I said; I would only ask you to be consistent; or, if you
change, change openly and let there be no deception. For I must remark,
Thrasymachus, if you will C recall what was previously said, that although
you began by defining the true physician in an exact sense, you did not
observe a like exactness when speaking of the shepherd; you thought that
the shepherd as a shepherd tends the sheep not with a view to their own
good, but like a mere diner or banquetter with a view to the pleasures of the
table; or, again, as a trader for sale in the market, and not as a shepherd.
D Yet surely the art of the shepherd is concerned only with the good of his
subjects; he has only to provide the best for them, since the perfection of the
art is already ensured whenever all the requirements of it are satisfied. And
that was what I was saying just now about the ruler. I conceived that the art
of the ruler, considered as ruler, whether in a E state or in private life,
could only regard the good of his flock or subjects; whereas you seem to
think that the rulers in states, that is to say, the true rulers, like being in
authority.
Think! Nay, I am sure of it.
Then why in the case of lesser offices do men never take them willingly
without payment, unless under the idea that 346 they govern for the
advantage not of themselves but of others? The arts have different functions and are
not to be confounded with the art of payment which is common to them all. Let me ask you a
question: Are not the several arts different, by reason of their each having a
separate function? And, my dear illustrious friend, do say what you think,
that we may make a little progress.
Yes, that is the difference, he replied.
And each art gives us a particular good and not merely a general one—
medicine, for example, gives us health; navigation, safety at sea, and so on?
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B And the art of payment has the special function of giving pay: but we
do not confuse this with other arts, any more than the art of the pilot is to be
confused with the art of medicine, because the health of the pilot may be
improved by a sea voyage. You would not be inclined to say, would you,
that navigation is the art of medicine, at least if we are to adopt your exact
use of language?
Certainly not.
Or because a man is in good health when he receives pay you would not
say that the art of payment is medicine?
I should not.
Nor would you say that medicine is the art of receiving pay because a
man takes fees when he is engaged in healing?
C Certainly not.

And we have admitted, I said, that the good of each art is specially
confined to the art?
Yes.
Then, if there be any good which all artists have in common, that is to be
attributed to something of which they all have the common use?
True, he replied.
And when the artist is benefited by receiving pay the advantage is gained
by an additional use of the art of pay, which is not the art professed by him?
He gave a reluctant assent to this.
D Then the pay is not derived by the several artists from their respective
arts. But the truth is, that while the art of medicine gives health, and the art
of the builder builds a house, another art attends them which is the art of
pay. The various arts may be doing their own business and benefiting that
over which they preside, but would the artist receive any benefit from his
art unless he were paid as well?
I suppose not.
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Certainly, he confers a benefit.
The true ruler or artist seeks, not his own advantage, but the perfection of his art; and therefore he
must be paid. Then now, Thrasymachus, there is no longer any doubt that
neither arts nor governments provide for their own interests; but, as we
were before saying, they rule and provide for the interests of their subjects
who are the weaker 25 and not the stronger—to their good they attend and
not to the good of the superior. And this is the reason, my dear
Thrasymachus, why, as I was just now saying, no one is willing to govern;
because no one likes to take in hand the reformation of evils which are not
his concern without remuneration. 347 For, in the execution of his work,
and in giving his orders to another, the true artist does not regard his own
interest, but always that of his subjects; and therefore in order that rulers
may be willing to rule, they must be paid in one of three modes of payment,
money, or honour, or a penalty for refusing.
What do
Three modes of paying rulers, money, honour, and a penalty for refusing to rule.
you mean, Socrates? said Glaucon. The first two modes of payment are
intelligible enough, but what the penalty is I do not understand, or how a
penalty can be a payment.
You mean that you do not understand the nature of this B payment
which to the best men is the great inducement to rule? Of course you know
that ambition and avarice are held to be, as indeed they are, a disgrace?
Very true.
And for this reason, I said, money and honour have no attraction for
them; good men do not wish to be openly demanding payment for
governing and so to get the name of hirelings, nor by secretly helping
themselves out of the public revenues to get the name of thieves. And not
being ambitious they do not care about honour. Wherefore necessity
C must be laid upon them, and they must be induced to serve from the fear
of punishment. The penalty is the evil of being ruled by an inferior. And this, as I
imagine, is the reason why the forwardness to take office, instead of waiting
to be compelled, has been deemed dishonourable. Now the worst part of the
punishment is that he who refuses to rule is liable to be ruled by one who is
worse than himself. And the fear of this, as I conceive, induces the good to
take D office, not because they would, but because they cannot help—not
under the idea that they are going to have any benefit or enjoyment
themselves, In a city composed wholly of good men there would be a great unwillingness to
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ruling to any one who is better than themselves, or indeed as good. For
there is reason to think that if a city were composed entirely of good men,
then to avoid office would be as much an object of contention as to obtain
office is at present; then we should 26 have plain proof that the true ruler is
not meant by nature to regard his own interest, but that of his subjects; and
every one who knew this would choose rather to receive a benefit from
another than to have the trouble of conferring one. E So far am I from
agreeing with Thrasymachus that justice is the interest of the
stronger. Thrasymachus maintains that the life of the unjust is better than the life of the just.
This latter question need not be further discussed at present; but when
Thrasymachus says that the life of the unjust is more advantageous than that
of the just, his new statement appears to me to be of a far more serious
character. Which of us has spoken truly? And which sort of life, Glaucon,
do you prefer?
I for my part deem the life of the just to be the more advantageous, he
answered.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON, THRASYMACHUS. 348 Did you hear all the advantages of
the unjust which Thrasymachus was rehearsing?
Yes, I heard him, he replied, but he has not convinced me.
Then shall we try to find some way of convincing him, if we can, that he
is saying what is not true?
Most certainly, he replied.
If, I said, he makes a set speech and we make another recounting all the
advantages of being just, and he answers and we rejoin, there must be a
numbering and measuring B of the goods which are claimed on either side,
and in the end we shall want judges to decide; but if we proceed in our
enquiry as we lately did, by making admissions to one another, we shall
unite the offices of judge and advocate in our own persons.
Very good, he said.
And which method do I understand you to prefer? I said.
That which you propose.
Well, then, Thrasymachus, I said, suppose you begin at the beginning and
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justice?
C Yes, that is what I say, and I have given you my reasons.

And what is your view about them? Would you call one of them virtue
and the other vice?
Certainly.
A paradox still more extreme, that injustice is virtue, I suppose that you would call
justice virtue and injustice vice?
What a charming notion! So likely too, seeing that I affirm injustice to be
profitable and justice not. 27
What else then would you say?
SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS. The opposite, he replied.
And would you call justice vice?
No, I would rather say sublime simplicity.
D Then would you call injustice malignity?

No; I would rather say discretion.
And do the unjust appear to you to be wise and good?
Yes, he said; at any rate those of them who are able to be perfectly unjust,
and who have the power of subduing states and nations; but perhaps you
imagine me to be talking of cutpurses. Even this profession if undetected
has advantages, though they are not to be compared with those of which I
was just now speaking.
E I do not think that I misapprehend your meaning, Thrasymachus, I
replied; but still I cannot hear without amazement that you class injustice
with wisdom and virtue, and justice with the opposite.
Certainly I do so class them.
Now, I said, you are on more substantial and almost unanswerable
ground; for if the injustice which you were maintaining to be profitable had
been admitted by you as by others to be vice and deformity, an answer
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that 349 you will call injustice honourable and strong, and to the unjust you
will attribute all the qualities which were attributed by us before to the just,
seeing that you do not hesitate to rank injustice with wisdom and virtue.
You have guessed most infallibly, he replied.
Then I certainly ought not to shrink from going through with the
argument so long as I have reason to think that you, Thrasymachus, are
speaking your real mind; for I do believe that you are now in earnest and
are not amusing yourself at our expense.
I may be in earnest or not, but what is that to you?—to refute the
argument is your business.
refuted by the analogy of the arts. B Very true, I said; that is what I have to do:
But will you be so good as answer yet one more question? Does the just
man try to gain any advantage over the just?
Far otherwise; if he did he would not be the simple amusing creature
which he is. 28
And would he try to go beyond just action?
He would not.
And how would he regard the attempt to gain an advantage over the
unjust; would that be considered by him as just or unjust?
The just tries to obtain an advantage over the unjust, but not over the just; the unjust over both
just and unjust. He would think it just, and would try to gain the advantage; but
he would not be able.
Whether he would or would not be able, I said, is not to the point. C My
question is only whether the just man, while refusing to have more than
another just man, would wish and claim to have more than the unjust?
Yes, he would.
And what of the unjust—does he claim to have more than the just man
and to do more than is just?
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And the unjust man will strive and struggle to obtain more than the unjust
man or action, in order that he may have more than all?
True.
We may put the matter thus, I said—the just does not desire more than his
like but more than his unlike, whereas the unjust desires more than both his
like and his unlike?
D Nothing, he said, can be better than that statement.

And the unjust is good and wise, and the just is neither?
Good again, he said.
And is not the unjust like the wise and good and the just unlike them?
Of course, he said, he who is of a certain nature, is like those who are of a
certain nature; he who is not, not.
Each of them, I said, is such as his like is?
Certainly, he replied.
Very good, Thrasymachus, I said; and now to take the case of
Illustrations.
the arts: you would admit that one man is a musician and E another not a
musician?
Yes.
And which is wise and which is foolish?
Clearly the musician is wise, and he who is not a musician is foolish.
And he is good in as far as he is wise, and bad in as far as he is foolish?
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Yes.
And you would say the same sort of thing of the physician?
Yes.
And do you think, my excellent friend, that a musician when he adjusts
the lyre would desire or claim to exceed or go beyond a musician in the
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I do not think that he would.
But he would claim to exceed the non-musician?
Of course.
350 And what would you say of the physician? In prescribing meats and
drinks would he wish to go beyond another physician or beyond the practice
of medicine?
He would not.
But he would wish to go beyond the non-physician?
Yes.
And about knowledge and ignorance
The artist remains within the limits of his art:
in general; see whether you think that any man who has knowledge ever
would wish to have the choice of saying or doing more than another man
who has knowledge. Would he not rather say or do the same as his like in
the same case?
That, I suppose, can hardly be denied.
And what of the ignorant? would he not desire to have B more than
either the knowing or the ignorant?
I dare say.
And the knowing is wise?
Yes.
And the wise is good?
True.
Then the wise and good will not desire to gain more than his like, but
more than his unlike and opposite?
I suppose so.
Whereas the bad and ignorant will desire to gain more than both?
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But did we not say, Thrasymachus, that the unjust goes beyond both his
like and unlike? Were not these your words?
They were.
and similarly the just man does not exceed the limits of other just men. C And you also
said that the just will not go beyond his like but his unlike? 30
Yes.
Then the just is like the wise and good, and the unjust like the evil and
ignorant?
That is the inference.
And each of them is such as his like is?
That was admitted.
Then the just has turned out to be wise and good and the unjust evil and
ignorant.
Thrasymachus perspiring and even blushing. Thrasymachus made all these
admissions, not fluently, as D I repeat them, but with extreme reluctance; it
was a hot summer’s day, and the perspiration poured from him in torrents;
and then I saw what I had never seen before, Thrasymachus blushing. As we
were now agreed that justice was virtue and wisdom, and injustice vice and
ignorance, I proceeded to another point:
Well, I said, Thrasymachus, that matter is now settled; but were we not
also saying that injustice had strength; do you remember?
Yes, I remember, he said, but do not suppose that I approve of what you
are saying or have no answer; if however I were to answer, you would be
quite certain to accuse me of haranguing; E therefore either permit me to
have my say out, or if you would rather ask, do so, and I will answer ‘Very
good,’ as they say to story-telling old women, and will nod ‘Yes’ and ‘No.’
Certainly not, I said, if contrary to your real opinion.
Yes, he said, I will, to please you, since you will not let me speak. What
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Nothing in the world, I said; and if you are so disposed I will ask and you
shall answer.
Proceed.
Then I will repeat the question which I asked before, in 351 order that
our examination of the relative nature of justice and injustice may be carried
on regularly. A statement was made that injustice is stronger and more
powerful than justice, but now justice, having been identified with wisdom
and virtue, is easily shown to be stronger than injustice, if injustice is
ignorance; this can no longer be questioned by any one. But I want to view
the matter, Thrasymachus, in a different way: B You would not deny that a
state may be 31 unjust and may be unjustly attempting to enslave other
states, or may have already enslaved them, and may be holding many of
them in subjection?
True, he replied; and I will add that the best and most perfectly unjust
state will be most likely to do so.
I know, I said, that such was your position; but what I would further
consider is, whether this power which is possessed by the superior state can
exist or be exercised without justice or only with justice.
At this point the temper of Thrasymachus begins to improve. Cp. 5. 450 A, 6. 498 C. C If
you are right in your view, and justice is wisdom, then only with justice; but
if I am right, then without justice.
I am delighted, Thrasymachus, to see you not only nodding assent and
dissent, but making answers which are quite excellent.
That is out of civility to you, he replied.
You are very kind, I said; and would you have the goodness also to
inform me, whether you think that a state, or an army, or a band of robbers
and thieves, or any other gang of evil-doers could act at all if they injured
one another?
D No indeed, he said, they could not.

But if they abstained from injuring one another, then they might act
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And this is because injustice creates divisions and hatreds and fighting,
and justice imparts harmony and friendship; is not that true, Thrasymachus?
Perfect injustice, whether in state or individuals, is destructive to them. I agree, he said,
because I do not wish to quarrel with you.
How good of you, I said; but I should like to know also whether injustice,
having this tendency to arouse hatred, wherever existing, among slaves or
among freemen, will not make them hate one another and set them at
variance and render them incapable of common action?
Certainly.
E And even if injustice be found in two only, will they not quarrel and
fight, and become enemies to one another and to the just?
They will.
And suppose injustice abiding in a single person, would your wisdom say
that she loses or that she retains her natural power? 32
Let us assume that she retains her power.
Yet is not the power which injustice exercises of such a nature that
wherever she takes up her abode, whether in a city, in an army, in a family,
or in any other body, that body is, 352 to begin with, rendered incapable of
united action by reason of sedition and distraction; and does it not become
its own enemy and at variance with all that opposes it, and with the just? Is
not this the case?
Yes, certainly.
And is not injustice equally fatal when existing in a single person; in the
first place rendering him incapable of action because he is not at unity with
himself, and in the second place making him an enemy to himself and the
just? Is not that true, Thrasymachus?
Yes.
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B But if so, the unjust will be the enemy of the gods, and the just will be
their friend?
Feast away in triumph, and take your fill of the argument; I will not
oppose you, lest I should displease the company.
Well then, proceed with your answers, and let me have the
Recapitulation.
remainder of my repast. For we have already shown that the just are clearly
wiser and better and abler than the unjust, and that the unjust are incapable
of common action; C nay more, that to speak as we did of men who are
evil acting at any time vigorously together, is not strictly true, for if they
had been perfectly evil, they would have laid hands upon one another; but it
is evident that there must have been some remnant of justice in them, which
enabled them to combine; if there had not been they would have injured one
another as well as their victims; they were but half-villains in their
enterprises; for had they been whole villains, and utterly unjust, they would
have been utterly incapable of action. D That, as I believe, is the truth of
the matter, and not what you said at first. But whether the just have a better
and happier life than the unjust is a further question which we also proposed
to consider. I think that they have, and for the reasons which I have given;
but still 33 I should like to examine further, for no light matter is at stake,
nothing less than the rule of human life.
Proceed.
Illustrations of ends and excellences preparatory to the enquiry into the end and excellence of the
soul. I will proceed by asking a question: Would you not say that a horse has
some end?
E I should.

And the end or use of a horse or of anything would be that which could
not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any other thing?
I do not understand, he said.
Let me explain: Can you see, except with the eye?
Certainly not.
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These then may be truly said to be the ends of these organs?
They may.
353 But you can cut off a vine-branch with a dagger or with a chisel, and
in many other ways?
Of course.
And yet not so well as with a pruning-hook made for the purpose?
True.
May we not say that this is the end of a pruning-hook?
We may.
Then now I think you will have no difficulty in understanding my
meaning when I asked the question whether the end of anything would be
that which could not be accomplished, or not so well accomplished, by any
other thing?
B I understand your meaning, he said, and assent.

All things which have ends have also virtues and excellences by which they fulfil those ends.
And that to which an end is appointed has also an excellence? Need I ask
again whether the eye has an end?
It has.
And has not the eye an excellence?
Yes.
And the ear has an end and an excellence also?
True.
And the same is true of all other things; they have each of them an end
and a special excellence?
That is so.
Well, and can the eyes fulfil their end if they are 34 wanting C in their
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How can they, he said, if they are blind and cannot see?
You mean to say, if they have lost their proper excellence, which is sight;
but I have not arrived at that point yet. I would rather ask the question more
generally, and only enquire whether the things which fulfil their ends fulfil
them by their own proper excellence, and fail of fulfilling them by their
own defect?
Certainly, he replied.
I might say the same of the ears; when deprived of their own proper
excellence they cannot fulfil their end?
True.
D And the same observation will apply to all other things?

I agree.
Well; and has
And the soul has a virtue and an end—the virtue justice, the end happiness.
not the soul an end which nothing else can fulfil? for example, to
superintend and command and deliberate and the like. Are not these
functions proper to the soul, and can they rightly be assigned to any other?
To no other.
And is not life to be reckoned among the ends of the soul?
Assuredly, he said.
And has not the soul an excellence also?
Yes.
E And can she or can she not fulfil her own ends when deprived of that
excellence?
She cannot.
Then an evil soul must necessarily be an evil ruler and superintendent,
and the good soul a good ruler?
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And we have admitted that
Hence justice and happiness are necessarily connected.
justice is the excellence of the soul, and injustice the defect of the soul?
That has been admitted.
Then the just soul and the just man will live well, and the unjust man will
live ill?
That is what your argument proves.
354 And he who lives well is blessed and happy, and he who lives ill the
reverse of happy?
Certainly.
Then the just is happy, and the unjust miserable? 35
So be it.
But happiness and not misery is profitable.
Of course.
Then, my blessed Thrasymachus, injustice can never be more profitable
than justice.
Let this, Socrates, he said, be your entertainment at the Bendidea.
For which I am indebted to
Socrates is displeased with himself and with the argument.
you, I said, now that you have grown gentle towards me and have left off
scolding. Nevertheless, B I have not been well entertained; but that was my
own fault and not yours. As an epicure snatches a taste of every dish which
is successively brought to table, he not having allowed himself time to
enjoy the one before, so have I gone from one subject to another without
having discovered what I sought at first, the nature of justice. I left that
enquiry and turned away to consider whether justice is virtue and wisdom
or evil and folly; and when there arose a further question about the
comparative advantages of justice and injustice, I could not refrain from
passing on to that. And the result of the whole discussion has been that I
know nothing at all. C For I know not what justice is, and therefore I am
not likely to know whether it is or is not a virtue, nor can I say whether the
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BOOK II.

Steph.
357 Republic II.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.WITH these words I was thinking that I had made an end
of the discussion; but the end, in truth, proved to be only a beginning. For
Glaucon, who is always the most pugnacious of men, was dissatisfied at
Thrasymachus’ retirement; he wanted to have the battle out. So he said to
me: Socrates, do you wish really to persuade us, or only to seem B to have
persuaded us, that to be just is always better than to be unjust?
I should wish really to persuade you, I replied, if I could.
Then you certainly have not succeeded. Let me
The threefold division of goods.
ask you now:—How would you arrange goods—are there not some which
we welcome for their own sakes, and independently of their consequences,
as, for example, harmless pleasures and enjoyments, which delight us at the
time, although nothing follows from them?
I agree in thinking that there is such a class, I replied.
C Is there not also a second class of goods, such as knowledge, sight,
health, which are desirable not only in themselves, but also for their results?
Certainly, I said.
And would you not recognize a third class, such as gymnastic, and the
care of the sick, and the physician’s art; also the various ways of money-
making—these do us good but we regard them as disagreeable; and no one
would choose them D for their own sakes, but only for the sake of some
reward or result which flows from them?
There is, I said, this third class also. But why do you ask?
Because I want to know in which of the three classes you would place
justice?
358 In the highest class, I replied,—among those goods which 37 he who
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results.
Then the many are of another mind; they think that justice is to be
reckoned in the troublesome class, among goods which are to be pursued
for the sake of rewards and of reputation, but in themselves are disagreeable
and rather to be avoided.
I know, I said, that this is their manner of thinking, and that this was the
thesis which Thrasymachus was maintaining just now, when he censured
justice and praised injustice. But I am too stupid to be convinced by him.
Three heads of the argument:—1. The nature of justice: 2. Justice a necessity, but not a good: 3.
The reasonableness of this notion. B I wish, he said, that you would hear me as
well as him, and then I shall see whether you and I agree. For
Thrasymachus seems to me, like a snake, to have been charmed by your
voice sooner than he ought to have been; but to my mind the nature of
justice and injustice have not yet been made clear. Setting aside their
rewards and results, I want to know what they are in themselves, and how
they inwardly work in the soul. If you please, then, I will revive the
argument of Thrasymachus. C And first I will speak of the nature and
origin of justice according to the common view of them. Secondly, I will
show that all men who practise justice do so against their will, of necessity,
but not as a good. And thirdly, I will argue that there is reason in this view,
for the life of the unjust is after all better far than the life of the just—if
what they say is true, Socrates, since I myself am not of their opinion. But
still I acknowledge that I am perplexed when I hear the voices of
Thrasymachus and myriads of others dinning in my ears; and, on the other
hand, I have D never yet heard the superiority of justice to injustice
maintained by any one in a satisfactory way. I want to hear justice praised
in respect of itself; then I shall be satisfied, and you are the person from
whom I think that I am most likely to hear this; and therefore I will praise
the unjust life to the utmost of my power, and my manner of speaking will
indicate the manner in which I desire to hear you too praising justice and
censuring injustice. Will you say whether you approve of my proposal?
Indeed I do; nor can I imagine any theme about which a man of sense
would oftener wish to converse. 38 GLAUCON.
E I am delighted, he replied, to hear you say so, and shall begin by
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They say that to do injustice
Justice a compromise between doing and suffering evil.
is, by nature, good; to suffer injustice, evil; but that the evil is greater than
the good. And so when men have both done and suffered injustice and
359 have had experience of both, not being able to avoid the one and obtain
the other, they think that they had better agree among themselves to have
neither; hence there arise laws and mutual covenants; and that which is
ordained by law is termed by them lawful and just. This they affirm to be
the origin and nature of justice;—it is a mean or compromise, between the
best of all, which is to do injustice and not be punished, and the worst of all,
which is to suffer injustice without the power of retaliation; and justice,
being at a middle point between the two, is tolerated not as a good, but as
the lesser evil, and honoured by reason of the inability of men to do
injustice. B For no man who is worthy to be called a man would ever
submit to such an agreement if he were able to resist; he would be mad if he
did. Such is the received account, Socrates, of the nature and origin of
justice.
Now that those who practise justice do so involuntarily and because they
have not the power to be unjust will best appear C if we imagine something
of this kind: having given both to the just and the unjust power to do what
they will, let us watch and see whither desire will lead them; then we shall
discover in the very act the just and unjust man to be proceeding along the
same road, following their interest, which all natures deem to be their good,
and are only diverted into the path of justice by the force of law. The liberty
which we are supposing may be most completely given to them in the form
of such a power as is said to have been D possessed by Gyges, the ancestor
of Croesus the Lydian1. The story of Gyges. According to the tradition, Gyges
was a shepherd in the service of the king of Lydia; there was a great storm,
and an earthquake made an opening in the earth at the place where he was
feeding his flock. Amazed at the sight, he 39 descended into the opening,
where, among other marvels, he beheld a hollow brazen horse, having
doors, at which he stooping and looking in saw a dead body of stature, as
appeared to him, more than human, and having nothing on but a gold ring;
E this he took from the finger of the dead and reascended. Now the
shepherds met together, according to custom, that they might send their
monthly report about the flocks to the king; into their assembly he came
having the ring on his finger, and as he was sitting among them he chanced
to turn the collet of the ring inside his hand, when instantly he became
invisible to the rest of the company and they began to speak of him as if he
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the ring he turned the collet outwards and reappeared; he made several trials
of the ring, and always with the same result—when he turned the collet
inwards he became invisible, when outwards he reappeared. Whereupon he
contrived to be chosen one of the messengers who were sent to the court;
where as soon as he arrived B he seduced the queen, and with her help
conspired against the king and slew him, and took the kingdom. The
application of the story of Gyges. Suppose now that there were two such magic
rings, and the just put on one of them and the unjust the other; no man can
be imagined to be of such an iron nature that he would stand fast in justice.
No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could
safely take what he C liked out of the market, or go into houses and lie
with any one at his pleasure, or kill or release from prison whom he would,
and in all respects be like a God among men. Then the actions of the just
would be as the actions of the unjust; they would both come at last to the
same point. And this we may truly affirm to be a great proof that a man is
just, not willingly or because he thinks that justice is any good to him
individually, but of necessity, for wherever any one thinks that he can safely
be unjust, there he is unjust. For D all men believe in their hearts that
injustice is far more profitable to the individual than justice, and he who
argues as I have been supposing, will say that they are right. If you could
imagine any one obtaining this power of becoming invisible, and never
doing any wrong or touching what was another’s, he would be thought by
the lookers-on to be a 40 most wretched idiot, although they would praise
him to one another’s faces, and keep up appearances with one another from
a fear that they too might suffer injustice. Enough of this.
1 Reading Γύνῃ τῷ Κροίσου τοῦ Λυδοῦ προγόνῳ.

E Now, if we are to form a real judgment of the life of the just and
unjust, we must isolate them; there is no other way; and how is the isolation
to be effected? I answer: Let the unjust man be entirely unjust, and the just
man entirely just; nothing is to be taken away from either of them, and both
are to be perfectly furnished for the work of their respective lives. The unjust
to be clothed with power and reputation. First, let the unjust be like other
distinguished masters of craft; like the skilful pilot or 361 physician, who
knows intuitively his own powers and keeps within their limits, and who, if
he fails at any point, is able to recover himself. So let the unjust make his
unjust attempts in the right way, and lie hidden if he means to be great in his
injustice: (he who is found out is nobody:) for the highest reach of injustice
is, to be deemed just when you are not. Therefore I say that in the perfectly
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deduction, but we must allow him, while doing the most unjust acts, B to
have acquired the greatest reputation for justice. If he have taken a false
step he must be able to recover himself; he must be one who can speak with
effect, if any of his deeds come to light, and who can force his way where
force is required by his courage and strength, and command of money and
friends. And at his side let us place the just man in his nobleness and
simplicity, wishing, as Aeschylus says, to be and not to seem good. The just to
be unclothed of all but his virtue. There must be no seeming, C for if he seem to be
just he will be honoured and rewarded, and then we shall not know whether
he is just for the sake of justice or for the sake of honours and rewards;
therefore, let him be clothed in justice only, and have no other covering; and
he must be imagined in a state of life the opposite of the former. Let him be
the best of men, and let him be thought the worst; then he will have been
put to the proof; and we shall see whether he will be affected by the fear of
infamy and its consequences. And let him continue D thus to the hour of
death; being just and seeming to be unjust. When both have reached the
uttermost extreme, 41 the one of justice and the other of injustice, let
judgment be given which of them is the happier of the two.
Heavens! my dear Glaucon, I said, how energetically
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
you polish them up for the decision, first one and then the other, as if they
were two statues.
I do my best, he said. And now that we know what they are like there is
no difficulty in tracing out the sort of life E which awaits either of them.
This I will proceed to describe; but as you may think the description a little
too coarse, I ask you to suppose, Socrates, that the words which follow are
not mine.—Let me put them into the mouths of the eulogists of injustice:
They will tell you that the just man who is thought unjust will be scourged,
racked, bound—will have his eyes burnt out; and, at last, after suffering
every kind of evil, he will be impaled: Then he will understand that he
362 ought to seem only, and not to be, just; The just man will learn by each experience
that he ought to seem and not to be just. the words of Aeschylus may be more truly
spoken of the unjust than of the just. For the unjust is pursuing a reality; he
does not live with a view to appearances—he wants to be really unjust and
not to seem only:—

‘His mind has a soil deep and fertile,
B Out of which spring his prudent counsels.’2

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In the first place, he is thought just, and therefore bears rule in the city; he
can marry whom he will, and give in marriage to whom he will; The unjust
who appears just will attain every sort of prosperity. also he can trade and deal where he
likes, and always to his own advantage, because he has no misgivings about
injustice; and at every contest, whether in public or private, he gets the
better of his antagonists, and gains at their expense, and is rich, and out of
his gains he C can benefit his friends, and harm his enemies; moreover, he
can offer sacrifices, and dedicate gifts to the gods abundantly and
magnificently, and can honour the gods or any man whom he wants to
honour in a far better style than the just, and therefore he is likely to be
dearer than they are to the gods. And thus, Socrates, gods and men are said
to unite in making the life of the unjust better than the life of the just.
2 Seven against Thebes, 574.

ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES. D I
was going to say something in answer to
Glaucon, when 42 Adeimantus, his brother, interposed: Socrates, he said,
you do not suppose that there is nothing more to be urged?
Why, what else is there? I answered.
The strongest point of all has not been even mentioned, he replied.
Well, then, according to the proverb, ‘Let brother help brother’—if he
fails in any part do you assist him; although I must confess that Glaucon has
already said quite enough to lay me in the dust, and take from me the power
of helping justice.
ADEIMANTUS.
Adeimantus takes up the argument. Justice is praised and injustice blamed, but only out of regard to
their consequences. E Nonsense, he replied. But let me add something more:
There is another side to Glaucon’s argument about the praise and censure of
justice and injustice, which is equally required in order to bring out what I
believe to be his meaning. Parents and tutors are always telling their sons
and their 363 wards that they are to be just; but why? not for the sake of
justice, but for the sake of character and reputation; in the hope of obtaining
for him who is reputed just some of those offices, marriages, and the like
which Glaucon has enumerated among the advantages accruing to the
unjust from the reputation of justice. More, however, is made of
appearances by this class of persons than by the others; for they throw in the
good opinion of the gods, and will tell you of a shower of benefits which
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testimony of the noble Hesiod and Homer, the first of whom says, that the
gods B make the oaks of the just—

‘To bear acorns at their summit, and bees in the middle;
And the sheep are bowed down with the weight of their fleeces3,’

and many other blessings of a like kind are provided for them. And Homer
has a very similar strain; for he speaks of one whose fame is—

‘As the fame of some blameless king who, like a god,
Maintains justice; to whom the black earth brings forth
C Wheat and barley, whose trees are bowed with fruit,
And his sheep never fail to bear, and the sea gives him fish4.’

The rewards and punishments of another life. Still grander are the gifts of heaven
which Musaeus and his son5 vouchsafe to the just; they take them down
into the 43 world below, where they have the saints lying on couches at a
feast, everlastingly drunk, crowned with garlands; their D idea seems to be
that an immortality of drunkenness is the highest meed of virtue. Some
extend their rewards yet further; the posterity, as they say, of the faithful and
just shall survive to the third and fourth generation. This is the style in
which they praise justice. But about the wicked there is another strain; they
bury them in a slough in Hades, and make them carry water in a sieve; also
while they are yet living they bring them to infamy, and inflict E upon
them the punishments which Glaucon described as the portion of the just
who are reputed to be unjust; nothing else does their invention supply. Such
is their manner of praising the one and censuring the other.
3 Hesiod, Works and Days, 230.

4 Homer, Od. xix. 109.

5 Eumolpus.

Once more, Socrates, I
Men are always repeating that virtue is painful and vice pleasant.
will ask you to consider another way of speaking about justice and injustice,
which is not confined to the poets, 364 but is found in prose writers. The
universal voice of mankind is always declaring that justice and virtue are
honourable, but grievous and toilsome; and that the pleasures of vice and
injustice are easy of attainment, and are only censured by law and opinion.

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They say also that honesty is for the most part less profitable than
dishonesty; and they are quite ready to call wicked men happy, and to
honour them both in public and private when they are rich or in any other
way influential, while they despise and overlook B those who may be weak
and poor, even though acknowledging them to be better than the others. But
most extraordinary of all is their mode of speaking about virtue and the
gods: they say that the gods apportion calamity and misery to many good
men, and good and happiness to the wicked. And mendicant prophets go to
rich men’s doors and persuade them that they have a power committed to
them by the gods of making an atonement for a man’s own or his ancestor’s
C sins by sacrifices or charms, with rejoicings and feasts; and they promise
to harm an enemy, whether just or unjust, at a small cost; with magic arts
and incantations binding heaven, as they say, to execute their will. And the
poets are the authorities to whom they appeal, now smoothing the path of
vice with the words of Hesiod;— 44

‘Vice may be had in abundance without trouble; D the way is smooth and her dwelling-
place is near. But before virtue the gods have set toil6,’

and a tedious and uphill road: then citing Homer as a witness that the gods
may be influenced by men; for he also says:—

‘The gods, too, may be turned from their purpose; and men pray to them and avert their
wrath by sacrifices and E soothing entreaties, and by libations and the odour of fat, when
they have sinned and transgressed7.’

And they produce a host of books
They are taught that sins may be easily expiated.
written by Musaeus and Orpheus, who were children of the Moon and the
Muses—that is what they say—according to which they perform their
ritual, and persuade not only individuals, but whole cities, that expiations
and atonements for sin may be made by sacrifices and amusements which
fill a vacant hour, and are equally at the service of the living and the dead;
the latter 365 sort they call mysteries, and they redeem us from the pains of
hell, but if we neglect them no one knows what awaits us.
6 Hesiod, Works and Days, 287.

7 Homer, Iliad, ix. 493.

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He proceeded: And now when the
The effects of all this upon the youthful mind.
young hear all this said about virtue and vice, and the way in which gods
and men regard them, how are their minds likely to be affected, my dear
Socrates,—those of them, I mean, who are quickwitted, and, like bees on
the wing, light on every flower, and from all that they hear are prone to
draw conclusions as to what manner of persons they should be and in what
way they B should walk if they would make the best of life? Probably the
youth will say to himself in the words of Pindar—

‘Can I by justice or by crooked ways of deceit ascend a loftier tower which may be a
fortress to me all my days?’

For what men say is that, if I am really just and am not also thought just
profit there is none, but the pain and loss on the other hand are
unmistakeable. But if, though unjust, I acquire the reputation of justice, a
heavenly life is promised to me. C Since then, as philosophers prove,
appearance tyrannizes over truth and is lord of happiness, to appearance I
must devote myself. I will describe around me a picture and shadow of
virtue to be the vestibule and exterior of my 45 house; behind I will trail the
subtle and crafty fox, as Archilochus, greatest of sages, recommends. But I
hear some one exclaiming that the concealment of wickedness is often
difficult; D to which I answer, Nothing great is easy. Nevertheless, the
argument indicates this, if we would be happy, to be the path along which
we should proceed. With a view to concealment we will establish secret
brotherhoods and political clubs. And there are professors of rhetoric who
teach the art of persuading courts and assemblies; and so, partly by
persuasion and partly by force, I shall make unlawful gains and not be
punished. Still I hear a voice saying that the gods cannot be deceived,
neither can they be compelled. But what if there are no gods? or, suppose
them to have no care of human things—why in either case E should we
mind about concealment? The existence of the gods is only known to us through the poets,
who likewise assure us that they may be bribed and that they are very ready to forgive. And even
if there are gods, and they do care about us, yet we know of them only from
tradition and the genealogies of the poets; and these are the very persons
who say that they may be influenced and turned by ‘sacrifices and soothing
entreaties and by offerings.’ Let us be consistent then, and believe both or
neither. If the poets speak truly, why then we had better 366 be unjust, and
offer of the fruits of injustice; for if we are just, although we may escape the
vengeance of heaven, we shall lose the gains of injustice; but, if we are
unjust, we shall keep the gains, and by our sinning and praying, and praying

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and sinning, the gods will be propitiated, and we shall not be punished. ‘But
there is a world below in which either we or our posterity will suffer for our
unjust deeds.’ Yes, my friend, will be the reflection, but there are mysteries
and atoning deities, and these have great power. That is B what mighty
cities declare; and the children of the gods, who were their poets and
prophets, bear a like testimony.
On what principle, then, shall we any longer choose justice rather than
the worst injustice? when, if we only unite the latter with a deceitful regard
to appearances, we shall fare to our mind both with gods and men, in life
and after death, as the most numerous and the highest authorities tell us.
C Knowing all this, Socrates, how can a man who has any superiority of
mind or person or rank or wealth, be willing to honour justice; or indeed to
refrain from laughing when he hears 46 justice praised? All this, even if not
absolutely true, affords great excuse for doing wrong. And even if there should be some
one who is able to disprove the truth of my words, and who is satisfied that
justice is best, still he is not angry with the unjust, but is very ready to
forgive them, because he also D knows that men are not just of their own
free will; unless, peradventure, there be some one whom the divinity within
him may have inspired with a hatred of injustice, or who has attained
knowledge of the truth—but no other man. He only blames injustice who,
owing to cowardice or age or some weakness, has not the power of being
unjust. And this is proved by the fact that when he obtains the power, he
immediately becomes unjust as far as he can be.
The cause of all this, Socrates, was indicated by us at the beginning of the
argument, when my brother and I told you how astonished we were to find
that of all the professing E panegyrists of justice—beginning with the
ancient heroes of whom any memorial has been preserved to us, and ending
with the men of our own time—no one has ever blamed injustice or praised
justice except with a view to the glories, honours, and benefits which flow
from them. No one has ever adequately described either in verse or prose
the true essential nature of either of them abiding in the soul, and invisible
to any human or divine eye; or shown that of all the things of a man’s soul
which he has within him, justice is 367 the greatest good, and injustice the
greatest evil. Men should be taught that justice is in itself the greatest good and injustice the
greatest evil. Had this been the universal strain, had you sought to persuade us
of this from our youth upwards, we should not have been on the watch to
keep one another from doing wrong, but every one would have been his
own watchman, because afraid, if he did wrong, of harbouring in himself
the greatest of evils. I dare say that Thrasymachus and others would

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seriously hold the language which I have been merely repeating, and words
even stronger than these about justice and injustice, grossly, as I conceive,
perverting their true nature. But I speak in this B vehement manner, as I
must frankly confess to you, because I want to hear from you the opposite
side; and I would ask you to show not only the superiority which justice has
over injustice, but what effect they have on the possessor of them which
makes the one to be a good and the other an evil to him. And please, as
Glaucon requested of you, to 47 exclude reputations; for unless you take
away from each of them his true reputation and add on the false, we shall
say that you do not praise justice, but the appearance of it; C we shall think
that you are only exhorting us to keep injustice dark, and that you really
agree with Thrasymachus in thinking that justice is another’s good and the
interest of the stronger, and that injustice is a man’s own profit and interest,
though injurious to the weaker. Now as you have admitted that justice is one
of that highest class of goods which are desired indeed for their results, but
in a far greater D degree for their own sakes—like sight or hearing or
knowledge or health, or any other real and natural and not merely
conventional good—I would ask you in your praise of justice to regard one
point only: I mean the essential good and evil which justice and injustice
work in the possessors of them. Let others praise justice and censure
injustice, magnifying the rewards and honours of the one and abusing the
other; that is a manner of arguing which, coming from them, I am ready to
tolerate, but from you who have spent your whole life in the consideration
of this question, unless I hear the E contrary from your own lips, I expect
something better. And therefore, I say, not only prove to us that justice is
better than injustice, but show what they either of them do to the possessor
of them, which makes the one to be a good and the other an evil, whether
seen or unseen by gods and men.
ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES.I had always admired the genius of Glaucon and
Adeimantus, but on hearing these words I was quite delighted, and said:
368 Sons of an illustrious father, that was not a bad beginning of the
Elegiac verses which the admirer of Glaucon made in honour of you after
you had distinguished yourselves at the battle of Megara:—

‘Sons of Ariston,’ he sang, ‘divine offspring of an illustrious hero.’

The
Glaucon and Adeimantus able to argue so well, but unconvinced by their own arguments.
epithet is very appropriate, for there is something truly divine in being able
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unconvinced by your own arguments. B And I do believe that you are not
convinced—this I infer from your general character, for had I judged only
from your speeches I should have mistrusted you. But now, the greater my
confidence in you, the greater is my 48 difficulty in knowing what to say.
For I am in a strait between two; on the one hand I feel that I am unequal to
the task; and my inability is brought home to me by the fact that you were
not satisfied with the answer which I made to Thrasymachus, proving, as I
thought, the superiority which justice has over injustice. And yet I cannot
refuse to help, while breath and speech remain to me; I am afraid that there
would be an impiety in being present when justice C is evil spoken of and
not lifting up a hand in her defence. And therefore I had best give such help
as I can.
Glaucon and the rest entreated me by all means not to let the question
drop, but to proceed in the investigation. They wanted to arrive at the truth,
first, about the nature of justice and injustice, and secondly, about their
relative advantages. I told them, what I really thought, that the enquiry
would be of a serious nature, and would require very good eyes. D The large
letters. Seeing then, I said, that we are no great wits, I think that we had better
adopt a method which I may illustrate thus; suppose that a short-sighted
person had been asked by some one to read small letters from a distance;
and it occurred to some one else that they might be found in another place
which was larger and in which the letters were larger—if they were the
same and he could read the larger letters first, and then proceed to the lesser
—this would have been thought a rare piece of good fortune.
Very true, said Adeimantus; but how does the illustration E apply to our
enquiry?
I will tell you, I replied; justice, which is the subject of our enquiry, is, as
you know, sometimes spoken of as the virtue of an individual, and
sometimes as the virtue of a State.
True, he replied.
And is not a State larger than an individual?
It is.
Then in the larger the
Justice to be seen in the State more easily than in the individual.
quantity of justice is likely to be larger and more easily discernible. I
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first as 369 they appear in the State, and secondly in the individual,
proceeding from the greater to the lesser and comparing them. 49
That, he said, is an excellent proposal.
And if we imagine the State in process of creation, we shall see the
justice and injustice of the State in process of creation also.
I dare say.
When the State is completed there may be a hope that the object of our
search will be more easily discovered.
B Yes, far more easily.

But ought we to attempt to construct one? I said; for to do so, as I am
inclined to think, will be a very serious task. Reflect therefore.
I have reflected, said Adeimantus, and am anxious that you should
proceed.
A State, I said, arises, as I conceive, out
The State arises out of the wants of men.
of the needs of mankind; no one is self-sufficing, but all of us have many
wants. Can any other origin of a State be imagined?
There can be no other.
C Then, as we have many wants, and many persons are needed to supply
them, one takes a helper for one purpose and another for another; and when
these partners and helpers are gathered together in one habitation the body
of inhabitants is termed a State.
True, he said.
And they exchange with one another, and one gives, and another
receives, under the idea that the exchange will be for their good.
Very true.
Then, I said, let us begin and create in idea a State; and yet the true
creator is necessity, who is the mother of our invention.
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The four or five greater needs of life, and the four or five kinds of citizens who correspond to
them. D Now the first and greatest of necessities is food, which is the
condition of life and existence.
Certainly.
The second is a dwelling, and the third clothing and the like.
True.
And now let us see how our city will be able to supply this great demand:
We may suppose that one man is a husbandman, another a builder, some
one else a weaver—50shall we add to them a shoemaker, or perhaps some
other purveyor to our bodily wants?
Quite right.
The barest notion of a State must include four or five men.
E Clearly.

The division of labour. And how will they proceed? Will each bring the result
of his labours into a common stock?—the individual husbandman, for
example, producing for four, and labouring four times as long and as much
as he need in the provision of food with which he supplies others as well as
himself; or will he have nothing to do with others and not be at the trouble
of producing for them, but provide for himself alone 370 a fourth of the
food in a fourth of the time, and in the remaining three fourths of his time
be employed in making a house or a coat or a pair of shoes, having no
partnership with others, but supplying himself all his own wants?
Adeimantus thought that he should aim at producing food only and not at
producing everything.
Probably, I replied, that would be the better way; and when I hear you say
this, I am myself reminded that we are B not all alike; there are diversities
of natures among us which are adapted to different occupations.
Very true.
And will you have a work better done when the workman has many
occupations, or when he has only one?
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Further, there can be no doubt that a work is spoilt when not done at the
right time?
No doubt.
For business is not disposed to wait until the doer of the business is at
leisure; but the doer must follow up what he C is doing, and make the
business his first object.
He must.
And if so, we must infer that all things are produced more plentifully and
easily and of a better quality when one man does one thing which is natural
to him and does it at the right time, and leaves other things.
Undoubtedly.
The first citizens are:—1. a husbandman, 2. a builder. 3. a weaver, 4. a shoemaker. To these must
be added:—5. a carpenter, 6. a smith, etc., 7. merchants, 8. retailers. Then more than four
citizens will be required; for the husbandman will not make his own plough
or mattock, or 51 D other implements of agriculture, if they are to be good
for anything. Neither will the builder make his tools—and he too needs
many; and in like manner the weaver and shoemaker.
True.
Then carpenters, and smiths, and many other artisans, will be sharers in
our little State, which is already beginning to grow?
True.
Yet even if we add neatherds, shepherds, and other herdsmen, E in order
that our husbandmen may have oxen to plough with, and builders as well as
husbandmen may have draught cattle, and curriers and weavers fleeces and
hides,—still our State will not be very large.
That is true; yet neither will it be a very small State which contains all
these.
Then, again, there is the situation of the city—to find a place where
nothing need be imported is wellnigh impossible.
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Then there must be another class of citizens who will bring the required
supply from another city?
There must.
371 But if the trader goes empty-handed, having nothing which they
require who would supply his need, he will come back empty-handed.
That is certain.
And therefore what they produce at home must be not only enough for
themselves, but such both in quantity and quality as to accommodate those
from whom their wants are supplied.
Very true.
Then more husbandmen and more artisans will be required?
They will.
Not to mention the importers and exporters, who are called merchants?
Yes.
Then we shall want merchants?
We shall.
And if merchandise is to be carried over the sea, skilful B sailors will
also be needed, and in considerable numbers?
Yes, in considerable numbers.
Then, again, within the city, how will they exchange their 52 productions?
To secure such an exchange was, as you will remember, one of our principal
objects when we formed them into a society and constituted a State.
Clearly they will buy and sell.
Then they will need a market-place, and a money-token for purposes of
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The origin of retail trade. C Suppose now that a husbandman, or an artisan,
brings some production to market, and he comes at a time when there is no
one to exchange with him,—is he to leave his calling and sit idle in the
market-place?
Not at all; he will find people there who, seeing the want, undertake the
office of salesmen. In well-ordered states they are commonly those who are
the weakest in bodily strength, and therefore of little use for any other
purpose; their duty is D to be in the market, and to give money in exchange
for goods to those who desire to sell and to take money from those who
desire to buy.
This want, then, creates a class of retail-traders in our State. Is not
‘retailer’ the term which is applied to those who sit in the market-place
engaged in buying and selling, while those who wander from one city to
another are called merchants?
Yes, he said.
E And there is another class of servants, who are intellectually hardly on
the level of companionship; still they have plenty of bodily strength for
labour, which accordingly they sell, and are called, if I do not mistake,
hirelings, hire being the name which is given to the price of their labour.
True.
Then hirelings will help to make up our population?
Yes.
And now, Adeimantus, is our State matured and perfected?
I think so.
Where, then, is justice, and where is injustice, and in what part of the
State did they spring up?
372 Probably in the dealings of these citizens with one another. I cannot
imagine that they are more likely to be found any where else.
I dare say that you are right in your suggestion, I said; 53 we had better
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Let us then consider, first of all, what will be their
A picture of primitive life.
way of life, now that we have thus established them. Will they not produce
corn, and wine, and clothes, and shoes, and build houses for themselves?
And when they are housed, they will work, in summer, commonly, stripped
and barefoot, but B in winter substantially clothed and shod. They will feed
on barley-meal and flour of wheat, baking and kneading them, making
noble cakes and loaves; these they will serve up on a mat of reeds or on
clean leaves, themselves reclining the while upon beds strewn with yew or
myrtle. And they and their children will feast, drinking of the wine which
they have made, wearing garlands on their heads, and hymning the praises
of the gods, in happy converse with one another. C And they will take care
that their families do not exceed their means; having an eye to poverty or
war.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON. But, said Glaucon, interposing, you have not given
them a relish to their meal.
True, I replied, I had forgotten; of course they must have a relish—salt,
and olives, and cheese, and they will boil roots and herbs such as country
people prepare; for a dessert we shall give them figs, and peas, and beans;
and they will roast myrtle-berries and acorns at the fire, drinking in
moderation. D And with such a diet they may be expected to live in peace
and health to a good old age, and bequeath a similar life to their children
after them.
Yes, Socrates, he said, and if you were providing for a city of pigs, how
else would you feed the beasts?
But what would you have, Glaucon? I replied.
Why, he said, you should give them the ordinary conveniences of life.
People who are to be comfortable are accustomed to lie on sofas, and dine
off tables, and they should E have sauces and sweets in the modern style.
Yes, I said, now I understand: the
A luxurious State must be called into existence,
question which you would have me consider is, not only how a State, but
how a luxurious State is created; and possibly there is no harm in this, for in
such a State we shall be more likely to see how justice and injustice
originate. In my opinion the true and healthy constitution of the State is the
one which I have 54 described. But if you wish also to see a State at fever-
heat, I have no objection. For I suspect that many will not be 373 satisfied
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other furniture; also dainties, and perfumes, and incense, and courtesans,
and cakes, all these not of one sort only, but in every variety; we must go
beyond the necessaries of which I was at first speaking, such as houses, and
clothes, and shoes: the arts of the painter and the embroiderer will have to
be set in motion, and gold and ivory and all sorts of materials must be
procured.
B True, he said.

Then we must enlarge our borders;
and in this many new callings will be required.
for the original healthy State is no longer sufficient. Now will the city have
to fill and swell with a multitude of callings which are not required by any
natural want; such as the whole tribe of hunters and actors, of whom one
large class have to do with forms and colours; another will be the votaries
of music—poets and their attendant train of rhapsodists, players, dancers,
contractors; also makers of divers kinds of articles, C including women’s
dresses. And we shall want more servants. Will not tutors be also in request,
and nurses wet and dry, tirewomen and barbers, as well as confectioners and
cooks; and swineherds, too, who were not needed and therefore had no
place in the former edition of our State, but are needed now? They must not
be forgotten: and there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat
them.
Certainly.
D And living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians
than before?
Much greater.
And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants
will be too small now, and not enough?
Quite true.
The territory of our State must be enlarged; and hence will arise war between us and our
neighbours. Then a slice of our neighbours’ land will be wanted by us for
pasture and tillage, and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they
exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited
accumulation of wealth?
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And so we shall go to war, Glaucon. Shall we not?
Most certainly, he replied. 55
Then without determining as yet whether war does good or harm, thus
much we may affirm, that now we have discovered war to be derived from
causes which are also the causes of almost all the evils in States, private as
well as public.
Undoubtedly.
And our State must once more enlarge; and this time the enlargement will
be nothing short of a whole army, which 374 will have to go out and fight
with the invaders for all that we have, as well as for the things and persons
whom we were describing above.
Why? he said; are they not capable of defending themselves?
War is an art, and as no art can be pursued with success unless a man’s whole attention is devoted
to it, a soldier cannot be allowed to exercise any calling but his own. No, I said; not if we
were right in the principle which was acknowledged by all of us when we
were framing the State: the principle, as you will remember, was that one
man cannot practise many arts with success.
Very true, he said.
B But is not war an art?

Certainly.
And an art requiring as much attention as shoemaking?
Quite true.
And the shoemaker was not allowed by us to be a husbandman, or a
weaver, or a builder—in order that we might have our shoes well made; but
to him and to every other worker was assigned one work for which he was
by nature fitted, and C at that he was to continue working all his life long
and at no other; he was not to let opportunities slip, and then he would
become a good workman. Now nothing can be more important than that the
work of a soldier should be well done. The warrior’s art requires a long apprenticeship
and many natural gifts. But is war an art so easily acquired that a man may be a
warrior who is also a husbandman, or shoemaker, or other artisan; although
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took up the game as a recreation, and had not from his earliest years
devoted himself to this and nothing else? No tools will make a man a skilled
workman, or master of defence, nor be of any use to him who has not
learned how to handle them, and has never D bestowed any attention upon
them. How then will he who takes up a shield or other implement of war
become a good 56 fighter all in a day, whether with heavy-armed or any
other kind of troops?
Yes, he said, the tools which would teach men their own use would be
beyond price.
And the higher the duties of the guardian, I said, the more E time, and
skill, and art, and application will be needed by him?
No doubt, he replied.
Will he not also require natural aptitude for his calling?
Certainly.
Then it will be our duty to select, if we can, natures
The selection of guardians.
which are fitted for the task of guarding the city?
It will.
And the selection will be no easy matter, I said; but we must be brave and
do our best.
375 We must.

Is not the noble youth very like a well-bred dog in respect of guarding
and watching?
What do you mean?
I mean that both of them ought to be quick to see, and swift to overtake
the enemy when they see him; and strong too if, when they have caught
him, they have to fight with him.
All these qualities, he replied, will certainly be required by them.
Well, and your guardian must be brave if he is to fight well?
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And is he likely to be brave who has no spirit, whether horse or dog or
any other animal? Have you never observed B how invincible and
unconquerable is spirit and how the presence of it makes the soul of any
creature to be absolutely fearless and indomitable?
I have.
Then now we have a clear notion of the bodily qualities which are
required in the guardian.
True.
And also of the mental ones; his soul is to be full of spirit?
Yes.
But are not these spirited natures apt to be savage with one another, and
with everybody else? 57
A difficulty by no means easy to overcome, he replied.
C Whereas, I said, they ought to be dangerous to their enemies, and
gentle to their friends; if not, they will destroy themselves without waiting
for their enemies to destroy them.
True, he said.
What is to be done then? I said; how shall we find a gentle nature which
has also a great spirit, for the one is the contradiction of the other?
True.
He will not be a
The guardian must unite the opposite qualities of gentleness and spirit.
good guardian who is wanting in either of these two qualities; and yet the
combination of them D appears to be impossible; and hence we must infer
that to be a good guardian is impossible.
I am afraid that what you say is true, he replied.
Here feeling perplexed I began to think over what had preceded.—My
friend, I said, no wonder that we are in a perplexity; for we have lost sight
of the image which we had before us.
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I mean to say that there do exist natures gifted with those opposite
qualities.
And where do you find them?
Such a combination may be observed in the dog. Many animals, I replied, furnish
examples of them; our E friend the dog is a very good one: you know that
well-bred dogs are perfectly gentle to their familiars and acquaintances, and
the reverse to strangers.
Yes, I know.
Then there is nothing impossible or out of the order of nature in our
finding a guardian who has a similar combination of qualities?
Certainly not.
Would not he who is fitted to be a guardian, besides the spirited nature,
need to have the qualities of a philosopher?
I do not apprehend your meaning.
376 The trait of which I am speaking, I replied, may be also seen in the
dog, and is remarkable in the animal.
What trait?
Why, a
The dog distinguishes friend and enemy by the criterion of knowing and not knowing:
dog, whenever he sees a stranger, is angry; when an acquaintance, he
welcomes him, although the one has 58 never done him any harm, nor the
other any good. Did this never strike you as curious?
The matter never struck me before; but I quite recognise the truth of your
remark.
And surely this instinct of the dog is very charming;— B your dog is a
true philosopher.
Why?
Why, because he distinguishes the face of a friend and of an enemy only
by the criterion of knowing and not knowing. And must not an animal be a
lover of learning who determines what he likes and dislikes by the test of
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Most assuredly.
whereby he is shown to be a philosopher. And is not the love of learning the love
of wisdom, which is philosophy?
They are the same, he replied.
And may we not say confidently of man also, that he who C is likely to
be gentle to his friends and acquaintances, must by nature be a lover of
wisdom and knowledge?
That we may safely affirm.
Then he who is to be a really good and noble guardian of the State will
require to unite in himself philosophy and spirit and swiftness and strength?
Undoubtedly.
Then we have found the desired
How are our citizens to be reared and educated?
natures; and now that we have found them, how are they to be reared and
educated? Is not this an enquiry which may be expected to throw light
D on the greater enquiry which is our final end—How do justice and
injustice grow up in States? for we do not want either to omit what is to the
point or to draw out the argument to an inconvenient length.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS. Adeimantus thought that the enquiry would be of
great service to us.
Then, I said, my dear friend, the task must not be given up, even if
somewhat long.
Certainly not.
Come then, and let us pass a leisure hour in story-telling, and our story
shall be the education of our heroes.
E By all means.

And what shall be their education? Can we find a better 59 than the
traditional sort?—and this has two divisions, gymnastic for the body, and
music for the soul.
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Education divided into gymnastic for the body and music for the soul. Music includes literature,
which may be true or false. Shall we begin education with music, and go on to
gymnastic afterwards?
By all means.
And when you speak of music, do you include literature or not?
I do.
And literature may be either true or false?
Yes.
377 And the young should be trained in both kinds, and we begin with
the false?
I do not understand your meaning, he said.
You know, I said, that we begin by telling children stories which, though
not wholly destitute of truth, are in the main fictitious; and these stories are
told them when they are not of an age to learn gymnastics.
Very true.
That was my meaning when I said that we must teach music before
gymnastics.
Quite right, he said.
The beginning the most important part of education. You know also that the
beginning is the most important B part of any work, especially in the case
of a young and tender thing; for that is the time at which the character is
being formed and the desired impression is more readily taken.
Quite true.
And shall we just carelessly allow children to hear any casual tales which
may be devised by casual persons, and to receive into their minds ideas for
the most part the very opposite of those which we should wish them to have
when they are grown up?
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Works of fiction to be placed under a censorship. Then the first thing will be to
establish a censorship of C the writers of fiction, and let the censors receive
any tale of fiction which is good, and reject the bad; and we will desire
mothers and nurses to tell their children the authorised ones only. Let them
fashion the mind with such tales, even more fondly than they mould the
body with their hands; but most of those which are now in use must be
discarded. 60
Of what tales are you speaking? he said.
You may find a model of the lesser in the greater, I said; D for they are
necessarily of the same type, and there is the same spirit in both of them.
Very likely, he replied; but I do not as yet know what you would term the
greater.
Homer and Hesiod are tellers of bad lies, that is to say, they give false representations of the
gods, Those, I said, which are narrated by Homer and Hesiod, and the rest of
the poets, who have ever been the great story-tellers of mankind.
But which stories do you mean, he said; and what fault do you find with
them?
A fault which is most serious, I said; the fault of telling a lie, and, what is
more, a bad lie.
But when is this fault committed?
E Whenever an erroneous representation is made of the nature of gods
and heroes,—as when a painter paints a portrait not having the shadow of a
likeness to the original.
Yes, he said, that sort of thing is certainly very blameable; but what are
the stories which you mean?
First of all, I said, there was that greatest of all lies in high places, which
the poet told about Uranus, and which was a bad lie too,—I mean what
Hesiod says that Uranus did, 378 and how Cronus retaliated on him8. The
doings of Cronus, and the sufferings which in turn his son inflicted upon
him, even if they were true, ought certainly not to be lightly told to young
and thoughtless persons; if possible, they had better be buried in silence.
But if there is an absolute necessity for their mention, a chosen few might
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[Eleusinian] pig, but some huge and unprocurable victim; and then the
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8 Hesiod, Theogony, 154, 459.

Why, yes, said he, those stories are extremely objectionable.
which have a bad effect on the minds of youth. B Yes, Adeimantus, they are stories
not to be repeated in our State; the young man should not be told that in
committing the worst of crimes he is far from doing anything outrageous;
and that even if he chastises his father when he does wrong, in whatever
manner, he will only be following the example of the first and greatest
among the gods. 61
I entirely agree with you, he said; in my opinion those stories are quite
unfit to be repeated.
The stories about the quarrels of the gods and their evil behaviour to one another are untrue.
Neither, if we mean our future guardians to regard the habit of quarrelling
among themselves as of all things the basest, should any word be said to
them of the wars in heaven, C and of the plots and fightings of the gods
against one another, for they are not true. No, we shall never mention the
battles of the giants, or let them be embroidered on garments; and we shall
be silent about the innumerable other quarrels of gods and heroes with their
friends and relatives. If they would only believe us we would tell them that
quarrelling is unholy, and that never up to this time D has there been any
quarrel between citizens; this is what old men and old women should begin
by telling children; and when they grow up, the poets also should be told to
compose for them in a similar spirit9. But the narrative of Hephaestus
binding Here his mother, or how on another occasion Zeus sent him flying
for taking her part when she was being beaten, and all the battles of the
gods in Homer— And allegorical interpretations of them are not understood by the
young. these tales must not be admitted into our State, whether they are
supposed to have an allegorical meaning or not. For a young person cannot
judge what is allegorical and E what is literal; anything that he receives
into his mind at that age is likely to become indelible and unalterable; and
therefore it is most important that the tales which the young first hear
should be models of virtuous thoughts.
9 Placing the comma after γραυσί, and not after γιγνομένοις.

There you are right, he replied; but if any one asks where are such
models to be found and of what tales are you speaking—how shall we
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379 I said to him, You and I, Adeimantus, at this moment are not poets,
but founders of a State: now the founders of a State ought to know the
general forms in which poets should cast their tales, and the limits which
must be observed by them, but to make the tales is not their business.
Very true, he said; but what are these forms of theology which you mean?
Something of this kind, I replied:—God is
God is to be represented as he truly is.
always to be represented as he truly is, whatever be the sort of poetry, epic,
lyric or tragic, in which the representation is given.
Right. 62
B And is he not truly good? and must he not be represented as such?

Certainly.
And no good thing is hurtful?
No, indeed.
And that which is not hurtful hurts not?
Certainly not.
And that which hurts not does no evil?
No.
And can that which does no evil be a cause of evil?
Impossible.
And the good is advantageous?
Yes.
And therefore the cause of well-being?
Yes.
It follows therefore that the good is not the cause of all things, but of the
good only?
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Then God, if he be good, is not the
God, if he be good, is the author of good only.
author of all things, as the many assert, but he is the cause of a few things
only, and not of most things that occur to men. For few are the goods of
human life, and many are the evils, and the good is to be attributed to God
alone; of the evils the causes are to be sought elsewhere, and not in him.
That appears to me to be most true, he said.
The fictions of the poets. Then we must not listen to Homer or to any other
poet D who is guilty of the folly of saying that two casks

‘Lie at the threshold of Zeus, full of lots, one of good, the other of evil lots10,’

and that he to whom Zeus gives a mixture of the two

‘Sometimes meets with evil fortune, at other times with good;’

but that he to whom is given the cup of unmingled ill,

‘Him wild hunger drives o’er the beauteous earth.’

E And again—

‘Zeus, who is the dispenser of good and evil to us.’

And if any one asserts that the violation of oaths and treaties, 63 which was
really the work of Pandarus11, was brought about by Athene and Zeus, or
that the strife and contention of the gods was instigated by Themis and
Zeus12, he shall not have our approval; neither will we allow our young
men to hear the words of Aeschylus, that

380 ‘God plants guilt among men when he desires utterly to destroy a house.’

And if a poet writes of the sufferings of Niobe—the subject of the tragedy
in which these iambic verses occur—or of the house of Pelops, or of the
Trojan war or on any similar theme, either we must not permit him to say
that these are the works of God, or if they are of God, he must devise some
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punishment to be attributed to God. he must say that B God did what was just and
right, and they were the better for being punished; but that those who are
punished are miserable, and that God is the author of their misery—the poet
is not to be permitted to say; though he may say that the wicked are
miserable because they require to be punished, and are benefited by
receiving punishment from God; but that God being good is the author of
evil to any one is to be C strenuously denied, and not to be said or sung or
heard in verse or prose by any one whether old or young in any well-
ordered commonwealth. Such a fiction is suicidal, ruinous, impious.
10 Iliad, xxiv. 527.

11 Iliad, ii. 69.

12 Ib. xx.

I agree with you, he replied, and am ready to give my assent to the law.
Let this then be one of our rules and principles concerning the gods, to
which our poets and reciters will be expected to conform,—that God is not
the author of all things, but of good only.
That will do, he said.
D And what do you think of a second principle? Shall I ask you whether
God is a magician, and of a nature to appear insidiously now in one shape,
and now in another—sometimes himself changing and passing into many
forms, sometimes deceiving us with the semblance of such transformations;
or is he one and the same immutably fixed in his own proper image? 64
I cannot answer you, he said, without more thought.
Things must be changed either by another or by themselves. Well, I said; but if we
suppose a change in anything, that E change must be effected either by the
thing itself, or by some other thing?
Most certainly.
And things which are at their best are also least liable to be altered or
discomposed; for example, when healthiest and strongest, the human frame
is least liable to be affected by meats and drinks, and the plant which is in
the fullest vigour also suffers least from winds or the heat of the sun or any
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Of course.
381 And will not the bravest and wisest soul be least confused or
deranged by any external influence?
True.
And the same principle, as I should suppose, applies to all composite
things—furniture, houses, garments: when good and well made, they are
least altered by time and circumstances.
Very true.
B Then everything which is good, whether made by art or nature, or
both, is least liable to suffer change from without?
True.
But surely God and the things of God are in every way perfect?
Of course they are.
Then he can
But God cannot be changed by other; and will not be changed by himself.
hardly be compelled by external influence to take many shapes?
He cannot.
But may he not change and transform himself?
Clearly, he said, that must be the case if he is changed at all.
And will he then change himself for the better and fairer, or for the worse
and more unsightly?
C If he change at all he can only change for the worse, for we cannot
suppose him to be deficient either in virtue or beauty.
Very true, Adeimantus; but then, would any one, whether God or man,
desire to make himself worse?
Impossible.
Then it is impossible that God should ever be willing to 65 change; being,
as is supposed, the fairest and best that is conceivable, every God remains
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That necessarily follows, he said, in my judgment.
D Then, I said, my dear friend, let none of the poets tell us that

‘The gods, taking the disguise of strangers from other lands, walk up and down cities in
all sorts of forms13;’

and let no one slander Proteus and Thetis, neither let any one, either in
tragedy or in any other kind of poetry, introduce Here disguised in the
likeness of a priestess asking an alms

‘For the life-giving daughters of Inachus the river of Argos;’

E —let us have no more lies of that sort. Neither must we have mothers
under the influence of the poets scaring their children with a bad version of
these myths—telling how certain gods, as they say, ‘Go about by night in
the likeness of so many strangers and in divers forms;’ but let them take
heed lest they make cowards of their children, and at the same time speak
blasphemy against the gods.
13 Hom. Od. xvii. 485.

Heaven forbid, he said.
But although the gods are themselves unchangeable, still by witchcraft
and deception they may make us think that they appear in various forms?
Perhaps, he replied.
Well, but can you imagine that
Nor will he make any false representation of himself.
God will be willing to lie, whether in word or deed, or to put forth a
phantom of himself?
382 I cannot say, he replied.

Do you not know, I said, that the true lie, if such an expression may be
allowed, is hated of gods and men?
What do you mean? he said.
I mean that no one is willingly deceived in that which is the truest and
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all, he is most afraid of a lie having possession of him. 66
Still, he said, I do not comprehend you.
B The reason is, I replied, that you attribute some profound meaning to
my words; but I am only saying that deception, or being deceived or
uninformed about the highest realities in the highest part of themselves,
which is the soul, and in that part of them to have and to hold the lie, is
what mankind least like;—that, I say, is what they utterly detest.
There is nothing more hateful to them.
And, as I was just now remarking, this ignorance in the soul of him who
is deceived may be called the true lie; for the lie in words is only a kind of
imitation and shadowy image of a previous affection of the soul, not pure
unadulterated C falsehood. Am I not right?
Perfectly right.
The true lie is equally hated both by gods and men; the remedial or preventive lie is
comparatively innocent, but God can have no need of it. The true lie is hated not only by
the gods, but also by men?
Yes.
Whereas the lie in words is in certain cases useful and not hateful; in
dealing with enemies—that would be an instance; or again, when those
whom we call our friends in a fit of madness or illusion are going to do
some harm, then it is useful and is a sort of medicine or preventive; also in
the D tales of mythology, of which we were just now speaking—because
we do not know the truth about ancient times, we make falsehood as much
like truth as we can, and so turn it to account.
Very true, he said.
But can any of these reasons apply to God? Can we suppose that he is
ignorant of antiquity, and therefore has recourse to invention?
That would be ridiculous, he said.
Then the lying poet has no place in our idea of God?
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Or perhaps he may tell a lie because he is afraid of enemies?
E That is inconceivable.

But he may have friends who are senseless or mad?
But no mad or senseless person can be a friend of God.
Then no motive can be imagined why God should lie?
None whatever. 67
Then the superhuman and divine is absolutely incapable of falsehood?
Yes.
Then is God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed14; he
changes not; he deceives not, either by sign or word, by dream or waking
vision.
14 Omitting κατὰ φαντασίας.

383 Your thoughts, he said, are the reflection of my own.

You agree with me then, I said, that this is the second type or form in
which we should write and speak about divine things. The gods are not
magicians who transform themselves, neither do they deceive mankind in
any way.
I grant that.
Then, although we are admirers of
Away then with the falsehoods of the poets!
Homer, we do not admire the lying dream which Zeus sends to
Agamemnon; neither will we praise the verses of Aeschylus in which Thetis
B says that Apollo at her nuptials

‘Was celebrating in song her fair progeny whose days were to be long, and to know no
sickness. And when he had spoken of my lot as in all things blessed of heaven he raised a
note of triumph and cheered my soul. And I thought that the word of Phoebus, being divine
and full of prophecy, would not fail. And now he himself who uttered the strain, he who
was present at the banquet, and who said this—he it is who has slain my son15.’

15 From a lost play.

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C These are the kind of sentiments about the gods which will arouse our
anger; and he who utters them shall be refused a chorus; neither shall we
allow teachers to make use of them in the instruction of the young,
meaning, as we do, that our guardians, as far as men can be, should be true
worshippers of the gods and like them.
I entirely agree, he said, in these principles, and promise to make them
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BOOK III.

Steph.
386 Republic III.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
SUCH then, I said, are our principles of
The discouraging lessons of mythology.
theology—some tales are to be told, and others are not to be told to our
disciples from their youth upwards, if we mean them to honour the gods and
their parents, and to value friendship with one another.
Yes; and I think that our principles are right, he said.
But if they are to be courageous, must they not learn other lessons
besides these, and lessons of such a kind as will take B away the fear of
death? Can any man be courageous who has the fear of death in him?
Certainly not, he said.
And can he be fearless of death, or will he choose death in battle rather
than defeat and slavery, who believes the world below to be real and
terrible?
Impossible.
Then we must assume a control over
The description of the world below in Homer.
the narrators of this class of tales as well as over the others, and beg them
not simply to revile but rather to commend the world below, C intimating
to them that their descriptions are untrue, and will do harm to our future
warriors.
That will be our duty, he said.
Then, I said, we shall have to obliterate many obnoxious passages,
beginning with the verses,

‘I would rather be a serf on the land of a poor and portionless man than rule over all the
dead who have come to nought1.’

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We must also expunge the verse, which tells us how Pluto feared,

D ‘Lest the mansions grim and squalid which the gods abhor should be seen both of
mortals and immortals2.’ 69

And again:—

‘O heavens! verily in the house of Hades there is soul and ghostly form but no mind at
all3!’

Again of Tiresias:—

‘[To him even after death did Persephone grant mind,] that he alone should be wise; but the
other souls are flitting shades4.’

Again:—

‘The soul flying from the limbs had gone to Hades, lamenting her fate, leaving manhood
and youth5.’

Again:—

387 ‘And the soul, with shrilling cry, passed like smoke beneath the earth6.’

And,—

‘As bats in hollow of mystic cavern, whenever any of them has dropped out of the string
and falls from the rock, fly shrilling and cling to one another, so did they with shrilling cry
hold together as they moved7.’

B And we must beg Homer and the other poets not to
Such tales to be rejected.
be angry if we strike out these and similar passages, not because they are
unpoetical, or unattractive to the popular ear, but because the greater the
poetical charm of them, the less are they meet for the ears of boys and men
who are meant to be free, and who should fear slavery more than death.
1 Od. xi. 489.

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2 Il. xx. 64.

3 Il. xxiii. 103.

4 Od. x. 495.

5 Il. xvi. 856.

6 Ib. xxiii. 100.

7 Od. xxiv. 6.

Undoubtedly.
Also we shall have to reject all the terrible and appalling names which
describe the world below—Cocytus and Styx, C ghosts under the earth,
and sapless shades, and any similar words of which the very mention causes
a shudder to pass through the inmost soul of him who hears them. I do not
say that these horrible stories may not have a use of some kind; but there is
a danger that the nerves of our guardians may be rendered too excitable and
effeminate by them.
There is a real danger, he said.
Then we must have no more of them.
True.
Another and a nobler strain must be composed and sung by us. 70
Clearly.
DAnd shall we proceed to get rid of the weepings and wailings of
famous men?
They will go with the rest.
The effeminate and pitiful strains of famous men, and yet more of the gods, must also be
banished. But shall we be right in getting rid of them? Reflect: our principle
is that the good man will not consider death terrible to any other good man
who is his comrade.
Yes; that is our principle.
And therefore he will not sorrow for his departed friend as though he had
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He will not.
Such an one, as we further maintain, is sufficient for himself E and his
own happiness, and therefore is least in need of other men.
True, he said.
And for this reason the loss of a son or brother, or the deprivation of
fortune, is to him of all men least terrible.
Assuredly.
And therefore he will be least likely to lament, and will bear with the
greatest equanimity any misfortune of this sort which may befall him.
Yes, he will feel such a misfortune far less than another.
Then we shall be right in getting rid of the lamentations of famous men,
and making them over to women (and not 388 even to women who are
good for anything), or to men of a baser sort, that those who are being
educated by us to be the defenders of their country may scorn to do the like.
That will be very right.
Then we will once more entreat
Such are the laments of Achilles, and Priam,
Homer and the other poets not to depict Achilles8, who is the son of a
goddess, first lying on his side, then on his back, and then on his face; then
starting up and sailing in a frenzy along the shores of B the barren sea; now
taking the sooty ashes in both his hands9 and pouring them over his head, or
weeping and wailing in the various modes which Homer has delineated.
Nor should he describe Priam the kinsman of the gods as praying and
beseeching,

‘Rolling in the dirt, calling each man loudly by his name10.’ 71

Still more earnestly will we beg of him at all events not to introduce the
gods lamenting and saying,

C ‘Alas! my misery! Alas! that I bore the bravest to my sorrow11.’

But if he must introduce the
and of Zeus when he beholds the fate of Hector or Sarpedon.
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of the gods, as to make him say—

‘O heavens! with my eyes verily I behold a dear friend of mine chased round and round the
city, and my heart is sorrowful12.’

Or again:—

‘Woe is me that I am fated to have Sarpedon, dearest of D men to me, subdued at the
hands of Patroclus the son of Menoetius13.’

For if, my sweet Adeimantus, our youth seriously listen to such unworthy
representations of the gods, instead of laughing at them as they ought,
hardly will any of them deem that he himself, being but a man, can be
dishonoured by similar actions; neither will he rebuke any inclination which
may arise in his mind to say and do the like. And instead of having any
shame or self-control, he will be always whining and lamenting on slight
occasions.
8 Il. xxiv. 10.

9 Ib. xviii. 23.

10 Ib. xxii. 414.

11 Il. xviii. 54.

12 Ib. xxii. 168.

13 Ib. xvi. 433.

E Yes, he said, that is most true.
Yes, I replied; but that surely is what ought not to be, as the argument has
just proved to us; and by that proof we must abide until it is disproved by a
better.
It ought not to be.
Neither
Neither are the guardians to be encouraged to laugh by the example of the gods.
ought our guardians to be given to laughter. For a fit of laughter which has
been indulged to excess almost always produces a violent reaction.
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Then persons of worth, even if only mortal men, must not be represented
as overcome by laughter, and still less must such a representation of the
gods be allowed.
389 Still less of the gods, as you say, he replied.
Then we shall not suffer such an expression to be used about the gods as
that of Homer when he describes how

‘Inextinguishable laughter arose among the blessed gods, when they saw Hephaestus
bustling about the mansion14.’

On your views, we must not admit them. 72
14 Ib. i. 599.

On my views, if you like to father them on me; that we B must not admit
them is certain.
Again, truth should be highly valued; if, as we
Our youth must be truthful,
were saying, a lie is useless to the gods, and useful only as a medicine to
men, then the use of such medicines should be restricted to physicians;
private individuals have no business with them.
Clearly not, he said.
Then if any one at all is to have the privilege of lying, the rulers of the
State should be the persons; and they, in their dealings either with enemies
or with their own citizens, may be allowed to lie for the public good. But
nobody else should C meddle with anything of the kind; and although the
rulers have this privilege, for a private man to lie to them in return is to be
deemed a more heinous fault than for the patient or the pupil of a
gymnasium not to speak the truth about his own bodily illnesses to the
physician or to the trainer, or for a sailor not to tell the captain what is
happening about the ship and the rest of the crew, and how things are going
with himself or his fellow sailors.
Most true, he said.
D If, then, the ruler catches anybody beside himself lying in the State,

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‘Any of the craftsmen, whether he be priest or physician or carpenter15,’

he will punish him for introducing a practice which is equally subversive
and destructive of ship or State.
15 Od. xvii. 383 sq.

Most certainly, he said, if our idea of the State is ever carried out16.
16 Or, ‘if his words are accompanied by actions.’

and also temperate. In the next place our youth must be temperate?
Certainly.
Are not the chief elements of temperance, speaking E generally,
obedience to commanders and self-control in sensual pleasures?
True.
Then we shall approve such language as that of Diomede in Homer,

‘Friend, sit still and obey my word17,’ 73

and the verses which follow,

‘The Greeks marched breathing prowess18,
… in silent awe of their leaders19,’

and other sentiments of the same kind.
17 Il. iv. 412.

18 Od. iii. 8.

19 Ib. iv. 431.

We shall.
What of this line,

‘O heavy with wine, who hast the eyes of a dog and the heart of a stag20,’

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390 and of the words which follow? Would you say that these, or any
similar impertinences which private individuals are supposed to address to
their rulers, whether in verse or prose, are well or ill spoken?
20 Ib. i. 225.

They are ill spoken.
They may very possibly afford some amusement, but they do not
conduce to temperance. And therefore they are likely to do harm to our
young men—you would agree with me there?
Yes.
The praises of eating and drinking, and the tale of the improper behaviour of Zeus and Here, are
not to be repeated to the young. And then, again, to make the wisest of men say
that nothing in his opinion is more glorious than

B ‘When the tables are full of bread and meat, and the cup-bearer carries round wine
which he draws from the bowl and pours into the cups21,’

is it fit or conducive to temperance for a young man to hear such words? Or
the verse

‘The saddest of fates is to die and meet destiny from hunger22?’

What would you say again to the tale of Zeus, who, while other gods and
men were asleep and he the only person C awake, lay devising plans, but
forgot them all in a moment through his lust, and was so completely
overcome at the sight of Here that he would not even go into the hut, but
wanted to lie with her on the ground, declaring that he had never been in
such a state of rapture before, even when they first met one another

‘Without the knowledge of their parents23;’ 74

or that other tale of how Hephaestus,
The indecent tale of Ares and Aphrodite.
because of similar goings on, cast a chain around Ares and Aphrodite24?
21 Ib. ix. 8.

22 Ib. xii. 342.

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23 Il. xiv. 281.

24 Od. viii. 266.

Indeed, he said, I am strongly of opinion that they ought not to hear that
sort of thing.
D But any deeds of endurance which are
The opposite strain of endurance.
done or told by famous men, these they ought to see and hear; as, for
example, what is said in the verses,

‘He smote his breast, and thus reproached his heart,
Endure, my heart; far worse hast thou endured25!’

25 Ib. xx. 17.

Certainly, he said.
In the next place, we must not let them be receivers of gifts or lovers of
money.
E Certainly not.
Neither must we sing to them of

‘Gifts persuading gods, and persuading reverend kings26.’

Neither is Phoenix, the tutor of Achilles, to
Condemnation of Achilles and Phoenix.
be approved or deemed to have given his pupil good counsel when he told
him that he should take the gifts of the Greeks and assist them27; but that
without a gift he should not lay aside his anger. Neither will we believe or
acknowledge Achilles himself to have been such a lover of money that he
took Agamemnon’s gifts, or that when he had received payment he restored
the dead body of Hector, but that without payment he was unwilling to do
so28.
26 Quoted by Suidas as attributed to Hesiod.

27 Il. ix. 515.

28 Ib. xxiv. 175.

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Undoubtedly, he said, these are not sentiments which can be
391
approved.
Loving Homer as I do29, I hardly like to say that in attributing these
feelings to Achilles, or in believing that they are truly attributed to him, he
is guilty of downright impiety. As little can I believe the narrative of his
insolence to Apollo, where he says,

‘Thou hast wronged me, O far-darter, most abominable of deities. Verily I would be even
with thee, if I had only the power30;’

B or his insubordination to the river-god31, The impious behaviour of Achilles to
Apollo and the river-gods; his cruelty. on whose divinity he is ready to lay hands; or
his offering to the dead Patroclus 75 of his own hair32, which had been
previously dedicated to the other river-god Spercheius, and that he actually
performed this vow; or that he dragged Hector round the tomb of
Patroclus33, and slaughtered the captives at the pyre34; of all this I cannot
believe that he was guilty, any more than I can C allow our citizens to
believe that he, the wise Cheiron’s pupil, the son of a goddess and of Peleus
who was the gentlest of men and third in descent from Zeus, was so
disordered in his wits as to be at one time the slave of two seemingly
inconsistent passions, meanness, not untainted by avarice, combined with
overweening contempt of gods and men.
29 Cf. infra, x. 595.

30 Il. xxii. 15 sq.

31 Ib. xxi. 130, 223 sq.

32 Il. xxiii. 151.

33 Ib. xxii. 394.

34 Ib. xxiii. 175.

You are quite right, he replied.
The tale of Theseus and Peirithous. And let us equally refuse to believe, or allow
to be repeated, the tale of Theseus son of Poseidon, or of Peirithous D son
of Zeus, going forth as they did to perpetrate a horrid rape; or of any other
hero or son of a god daring to do such impious and dreadful things as they
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declare either that these acts were not done by them, or that they were not
the sons of gods;—both in the same breath they shall not be permitted to
affirm. We will not have them trying to persuade our youth that the gods are
the authors of evil, and that heroes are no better than men—sentiments
E which, as we were saying, are neither pious nor true, for we have already
proved that evil cannot come from the gods.
Assuredly not.
And further they are likely
The bad effect of these mythological tales upon the young.
to have a bad effect on those who hear them; for everybody will begin to
excuse his own vices when he is convinced that similar wickednesses are
always being perpetrated by—

‘The kindred of the gods, the relatives of Zeus, whose ancestral altar, the altar of Zeus, is
aloft in air on the peak of Ida,’

and who have

‘the blood of deities yet flowing in their veins35.’

And therefore let us put an end to such tales, lest they 392 engender laxity
of morals among the young. 76
35 From the Niobe of Aeschylus.

By all means, he replied.
But now that we are determining what classes of subjects are or are not to
be spoken of, let us see whether any have been omitted by us. The manner
in which gods and demigods and heroes and the world below should be
treated has been already laid down.
Very true.
And what shall we say about men? That is
Misstatements of the poets about men.
clearly the remaining portion of our subject.
Clearly so.
But we are not in a condition to answer this question at present, my
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Why not?
Because, if I am not mistaken, we shall have to say that B about men
poets and story-tellers are guilty of making the gravest misstatements when
they tell us that wicked men are often happy, and the good miserable; and
that injustice is profitable when undetected, but that justice is a man’s own
loss and another’s gain—these things we shall forbid them to utter, and
command them to sing and say the opposite.
To be sure we shall, he replied.
But if you admit that I am right in this, then I shall maintain that you
have implied the principle for which we have been all along contending.
I grant the truth of your inference.
C That such things are or are not to be said about men is a question
which we cannot determine until we have discovered what justice is, and
how naturally advantageous to the possessor, whether he seem to be just or
not.
Most true, he said.
Enough of the subjects of poetry: let us now speak of the style; and when
this has been considered, both matter and manner will have been completely
treated.
I do not understand what you mean, said Adeimantus.
D Then I must make you understand; and perhaps I may be more
intelligible if I put the matter in this way. You are aware, I suppose, that all
mythology and poetry is a narration of events, either past, present, or to
come?
Certainly, he replied. 77
And narration may be either simple narration, or imitation, or a union of
the two?
That again, he said, I do not quite understand.
I fear that I must be a ridiculous
Analysis of the dramatic element in Epic poetry.
teacher when I have so much difficulty in making myself apprehended. Like
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break a piece off in illustration of my meaning. You know the first lines of
the Iliad, in which the poet says that 393 Chryses prayed Agamemnon to
release his daughter, and that Agamemnon flew into a passion with him;
whereupon Chryses, failing of his object, invoked the anger of the God
against the Achaeans. Now as far as these lines,

‘And he prayed all the Greeks, but especially the two sons of Atreus, the chiefs of the
people,’

the poet is speaking in his own person; he never leads us to suppose that he
is any one else. But in what follows he takes the person of Chryses, and
then he does all that he can B to make us believe that the speaker is not
Homer, but the aged priest himself. And in this double form he has cast the
entire narrative of the events which occurred at Troy and in Ithaca and
throughout the Odyssey.
Yes.
And a narrative it remains both in the speeches which the poet recites
from time to time and in the intermediate passages?
Quite true.
C But
Epic poetry has an element of imitation in the speeches; the rest is simple narrative.
when the poet speaks in the person of another, may we not say that he
assimilates his style to that of the person who, as he informs you, is going to
speak?
Certainly.
And this assimilation of himself to another, either by the use of voice or
gesture, is the imitation of the person whose character he assumes?
Of course.
Then in this case the narrative of the poet may be said to proceed by way
of imitation?
Very true.
Illustrations from the beginning of the Iliad. Or, if the poet everywhere appears and
never conceals D himself, then again the imitation is dropped, and his
poetry becomes simple narration. However, in order that I may 78 make my

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meaning quite clear, and that you may no more say, ‘I don’t understand,’ I
will show how the change might be effected. If Homer had said, ‘The priest
came, having his daughter’s ransom in his hands, supplicating the
Achaeans, and above all the kings;’ and then if, instead of speaking in the
person of Chryses, he had continued in his own person, the words would
have been, not imitation, but simple narration. The passage would have run
as follows (I am no poet, E and therefore I drop the metre), ‘The priest
came and prayed the gods on behalf of the Greeks that they might capture
Troy and return safely home, but begged that they would give him back his
daughter, and take the ransom which he brought, and respect the God. Thus
he spoke, and the other Greeks revered the priest and assented. But
Agamemnon was wroth, and bade him depart and not come again, lest the
staff and chaplets of the God should be of no avail to him—the daughter of
Chryses should not be released, he said—she should grow old with him in
Argos. And then he told him to go away and not to provoke him, if he
intended to get home unscathed. And the old man went away in fear and
394 silence, and, when he had left the camp, he called upon Apollo by his
many names, reminding him of everything which he had done pleasing to
him, whether in building his temples, or in offering sacrifice, and praying
that his good deeds might be returned to him, and that the Achaeans might
expiate his tears by the arrows of the god,’—and so on. B In this way the
whole becomes simple narrative.
I understand, he said.
Tragedy and Comedy are wholly imitative; dithyrambic and some other kinds of poetry are
devoid of imitation. Epic poetry is a combination of the two. Or you may suppose the
opposite case—that the intermediate passages are omitted, and the dialogue
only left.
That also, he said, I understand; you mean, for example, as in tragedy.
You have conceived my meaning perfectly; and if I mistake not, what
you failed to apprehend before is now made C clear to you, that poetry and
mythology are, in some cases, wholly imitative—instances of this are
supplied by tragedy and comedy; there is likewise the opposite style, in
which the poet is the only speaker—of this the dithyramb affords the best
example; and the combination of both is found in epic, and in several other
styles of poetry. Do I take you with me? 79
Yes, he said; I see now what you meant.

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I will ask you to remember also what I began by saying, that we had done
with the subject and might proceed to the style.
Yes, I remember.
D In saying this, I intended to imply that we must come to an
understanding about the mimetic art,—whether the poets, in narrating their
stories, are to be allowed by us to imitate, and if so, whether in whole or in
part, and if the latter, in what parts; or should all imitation be prohibited?
You mean, I suspect, to ask whether tragedy and comedy shall be
admitted into our State?
Yes, I said; but there may be more than this
A hint about Homer (cp. infra, bk. x.)
in question: I really do not know as yet, but whither the argument may
blow, thither we go.
And go we will, he said.
E Then,
Our guardians ought not to be imitators, for one man can only do one thing well;
Adeimantus, let me ask you whether our guardians ought to be imitators; or
rather, has not this question been decided by the rule already laid down that
one man can only do one thing well, and not many; and that if he attempt
many, he will altogether fail of gaining much reputation in any?
Certainly.
And this is equally true of imitation; no one man can imitate many things
as well as he would imitate a single one?
He cannot.
395 Then the same person will hardly be able to play a serious part in
life, and at the same time to be an imitator and imitate many other parts as
well; for even when two species of imitation are nearly allied, the same
persons cannot succeed in both, as, for example, the writers of tragedy and
comedy—did you not just now call them imitations?
Yes, I did; and you are right in thinking that the same persons cannot
succeed in both.
Any more than they can be rhapsodists and actors at once?
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B Neither are comic and tragic actors the same; yet all these things are
but imitations.
They are so.
he cannot even imitate many things. And human nature, Adeimantus, appears to
have been 80 coined into yet smaller pieces, and to be as incapable of
imitating many things well, as of performing well the actions of which the
imitations are copies.
Quite true, he replied.
If then we adhere to our original notion and bear in mind that our
guardians, setting aside every other business, are to C dedicate themselves
wholly to the maintenance of freedom in the State, making this their craft,
and engaging in no work which does not bear on this end, they ought not to
practise or imitate anything else; if they imitate at all, they should imitate
from youth upward only those characters which are suitable to their
profession—the courageous, temperate, holy, free, and the like; but they
should not depict or be skilful at imitating any kind of illiberality or
baseness, lest from imitation they should come to be what they imitate. Did
D you never observe how imitations, beginning in early youth and
continuing far into life, at length grow into habits and become a second
nature, affecting body, voice, and mind?
Yes, certainly, he said.
Then, I said, we will not allow those for
Imitations which are of the degrading sort.
whom we profess a care and of whom we say that they ought to be good
men, to imitate a woman, whether young or old, quarrelling with her
husband, or striving and vaunting against the gods in E conceit of her
happiness, or when she is in affliction, or sorrow, or weeping; and certainly
not one who is in sickness, love, or labour.
Very right, he said.
Neither must they represent slaves, male or female, performing the
offices of slaves?
They must not.
And surely not bad men, whether cowards or any others, who do the
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one another in drink or out of drink, or who in any other manner sin against
themselves and their neighbours in word or deed, as the manner of such is.
396 Neither should they be trained to imitate the action or speech of men or
women who are mad or bad; for madness, like vice, is to be known but not
to be practised or imitated.
Very true, he replied. 81
Neither may they imitate smiths or other artificers, or B oarsmen, or
boatswains, or the like?
How can they, he said, when they are not allowed to apply their minds to
the callings of any of these?
Nor may they imitate the neighing of horses, the bellowing of bulls, the
murmur of rivers and roll of the ocean, thunder, and all that sort of thing?
Nay, he said, if madness be forbidden, neither may they copy the
behaviour of madmen.
You mean, I said, if I understand you aright, that there is one sort of
narrative style which may be employed by a truly C good man when he has
anything to say, and that another sort will be used by a man of an opposite
character and education.
And which are these two sorts? he asked.
Suppose, I answered, that a just and good
Imitations which may be encouraged.
man in the course of a narration comes on some saying or action of another
good man,—I should imagine that he will like to personate him, and will
not be ashamed of this sort of imitation: he will be most ready to play the
part of the D good man when he is acting firmly and wisely; in a less
degree when he is overtaken by illness or love or drink, or has met with any
other disaster. But when he comes to a character which is unworthy of him,
he will not make a study of that; he will disdain such a person, and will
assume his likeness, if at all, for a moment only when he is performing
some good action; at other times he will be ashamed to play a part which he
has never practised, nor will he like to fashion and frame himself after the
baser models; he feels the E employment of such an art, unless in jest, to
be beneath him, and his mind revolts at it.
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Then he will adopt a mode of narration such as we have illustrated out of
Homer, that is to say, his style will be both imitative and narrative; but there
will be very little of the former, and a great deal of the latter. Do you agree?
Certainly, he said; that is the model which such a speaker 397 must
necessarily take.
But there is another sort of character who
Imitations which are to be prohibited.
will narrate anything, and, the worse he is, the more unscrupulous he will
be; nothing will be too bad for him: and he will be ready to 82 imitate
anything, not as a joke, but in right good earnest, and before a large
company. As I was just now saying, he will attempt to represent the roll of
thunder, the noise of wind and hail, or the creaking of wheels, and pulleys,
and the various sounds of flutes, pipes, trumpets, and all sorts of
instruments: he will bark like a dog, bleat like B a sheep, or crow like a
cock; his entire art will consist in imitation of voice and gesture, and there
will be very little narration.
That, he said, will be his mode of speaking.
These, then, are the two kinds of style?
Yes.
Two kinds of style—the one simple, the other multiplex. There is also a third which is a
combination of the two. And you would agree with me in saying that one of them
is simple and has but slight changes; and if the harmony and rhythm are
also chosen for their simplicity, the result is that the speaker, if he speaks
correctly, is always pretty much the same in style, and he will keep within
the limits of a single harmony (for the changes are not great), and in C like
manner he will make use of nearly the same rhythm?
That is quite true, he said.
Whereas the other requires all sorts of harmonies and all sorts of
rhythms, if the music and the style are to correspond, because the style has
all sorts of changes.
That is also perfectly true, he replied.
And do not the two styles, or the mixture of the two, comprehend all
poetry, and every form of expression in words? No one can say anything
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They include all, he said.
D The simple style alone is to be admitted in the State; the attractions of the mixed style are
And shall we receive into our State all
acknowledged, but it appears to be excluded.
the three styles, or one only of the two unmixed styles? or would you
include the mixed?
I should prefer only to admit the pure imitator of virtue.
Yes, I said, Adeimantus, but the mixed style is also very charming: and
indeed the pantomimic, which is the opposite of the one chosen by you, is
the most popular style with children and their attendants, and with the world
in general.
I do not deny it.
But I suppose you would argue that such a style is unsuitable E to our
State, in which human nature is not twofold or manifold, for one man plays
one part only? 83
Yes; quite unsuitable.
And this is the reason why in our State, and in our State only, we shall
find a shoemaker to be a shoemaker and not a pilot also, and a husbandman
to be a husbandman and not a dicast also, and a soldier a soldier and not a
trader also, and the same throughout?
True, he said.
398 The pantomimic artist is to receive great honours, but he is to be sent out of the country.
And therefore when any one of these pantomimic gentlemen, who are so
clever that they can imitate anything, comes to us, and makes a proposal to
exhibit himself and his poetry, we will fall down and worship him as a
sweet and holy and wonderful being; but we must also inform him that in
our State such as he are not permitted to exist; the law will not allow them.
And so when we have anointed him with myrrh, and set a garland of wool
upon his head, we shall send him away to another city. For we mean to
employ for B our souls’ health the rougher and severer poet or story-teller,
who will imitate the style of the virtuous only, and will follow those models
which we prescribed at first when we began the education of our soldiers.
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Then now, my friend, I said, that part of music or literary education
which relates to the story or myth may be considered to be finished; for the
matter and manner have both been discussed.
I think so too, he said.
C Next in order will follow melody and song.
That is obvious.
Every one can see already what we ought to say about them, if we are to
be consistent with ourselves.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON. I fear, said Glaucon, laughing, that the word ‘every
one’ hardly includes me, for I cannot at the moment say what they should
be; though I may guess.
At any rate you can tell that a song or ode has three D parts—the words,
the melody, and the rhythm; that degree of knowledge I may presuppose?
Yes, he said; so much as that you may.
And as for the words, there will surely be no difference between words
which are and which are not set to music; 84 both will conform to the same
laws, and these have been already determined by us?
Yes.
Melody and rhythm. And the melody and rhythm will depend upon the
words?
Certainly.
We were saying, when we spoke of the subject-matter, that we had no
need of lamentation and strains of sorrow?
True.
E And which are the harmonies expressive of sorrow? You are musical,
and can tell me.
The harmonies which you mean are the mixed or tenor Lydian, and the
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These then, I said, must be banished; even to women who have a
character to maintain they are of no use, and much less to men.
Certainly.
In the next place, drunkenness and softness and indolence are utterly
unbecoming the character of our guardians.
Utterly unbecoming.
The relaxed melodies or harmonies are the Ionian and the Lydian. These are to be banished.
And which are the soft or drinking harmonies?
399 The Ionian, he replied, and the Lydian; they are termed ‘relaxed.’
Well, and are these of any military use?
Quite the reverse, he replied; and if so the Dorian and the Phrygian are
the only ones which you have left.
I answered: Of the harmonies I know nothing, but I want to have one
warlike, to sound the note or accent which a brave man utters in the hour of
danger and stern resolve, or when his cause is failing, and he is going to
wounds or B death or is overtaken by some other evil, and at every such
crisis meets the blows of fortune with firm step and a determination to
endure; and another to be used by him in times of peace and freedom of
action, when there is no pressure of necessity, and he is seeking to persuade
God by prayer, or man by instruction and admonition, or on the other hand,
when he is expressing his willingness to yield to persuasion or entreaty or
admonition, and which represents him when by prudent conduct he has
attained his end, not carried away by his success, but acting moderately and
wisely C under the circumstances, and acquiescing in the event. These 85
two harmonies I ask you to leave; the strain of necessity and the strain of
freedom, the strain of the unfortunate and the strain of the fortunate, the
strain of courage, and the strain of temperance; these, I say, leave.
And these, he replied, are the Dorian and Phrygian harmonies of which I
was just now speaking.
Then, I said, if these and these only are
The Dorian and Phrygian are to be retained.
to be used in our songs and melodies, we shall not want multiplicity of
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pp
Then we shall not maintain the artificers of lyres with three corners and
complex scales, or the makers of any other D many-stringed curiously-
harmonised instruments?
Certainly not.
But what do you say
Musical instruments—which are to be rejected and which allowed?
to flute-makers and flute-players? Would you admit them into our State
when you reflect that in this composite use of harmony the flute is worse
than all the stringed instruments put together; even the panharmonic music
is only an imitation of the flute?
Clearly not.
There remain then only the lyre and the harp for use in the city, and the
shepherds may have a pipe in the country.
That is surely the conclusion to be drawn from the argument.
E The preferring of Apollo and his instruments to Marsyas and his
instruments is not at all strange, I said.
Not at all, he replied.
And so, by the dog of Egypt, we have been unconsciously purging the
State, which not long ago we termed luxurious.
And we have done wisely, he replied.
Then let us now finish the purgation, I said. Next in order to harmonies,
rhythms will naturally follow, and they should be subject to the same rules,
for we ought not to seek out complex systems of metre, or metres of every
kind, but rather to discover what rhythms are the expressions of 400 a
courageous and harmonious life; and when we have found them, we shall
adapt the foot and the melody to words having a like spirit, not the words to
the foot and melody. To say what these rhythms are will be your duty—you
must teach me them, as you have already taught me the harmonies. 86
But, indeed, he replied, I
Three kinds of rhythm as there are four notes of the tetrachord.
cannot tell you. I only know that there are some three principles of rhythm
out of which metrical systems are framed, just as in sounds there are four
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which I have made. But of what sort of lives they are severally the
imitations I am unable to say.
36 i.e. the four notes of the tetrachord.

B Then, I said, we must take Damon into our counsels; and he will tell
us what rhythms are expressive of meanness, or insolence, or fury, or other
unworthiness, and what are to be reserved for the expression of opposite
feelings. And I think that I have an indistinct recollection of his mentioning
a complex Cretic rhythm; also a dactylic or heroic, and he arranged them in
some manner which I do not quite understand, making the rhythms equal in
the rise and fall of the foot, long and short alternating; and, unless I am
mistaken, he spoke of an iambic as well as of a trochaic rhythm, C and
assigned to them short and long quantities.37 Also in some cases he
appeared to praise or censure the movement of the foot quite as much as the
rhythm; or perhaps a combination of the two; for I am not certain what he
meant. These matters, however, as I was saying, had better be referred to
Damon himself, for the analysis of the subject would be difficult, you
know?
37 Socrates expresses himself carelessly in accordance with his assumed
ignorance of the details of the subject. In the first part of the sentence he appears
to be speaking of paeonic rhythms which are in the ratio of 3⁄2; in the second part,
of dactylic and anapaestic rhythms, which are in the ratio of 1⁄1; in the last clause,
of iambic and trochaic rhythms, which are in the ratio of 1⁄2 or 2⁄1.

Rather so, I should say.
But there is no difficulty in seeing that grace or the absence of grace is an
effect of good or bad rhythm.
None at all.
D Rhythm and harmony follow style, and style is the expression of the soul. And also that
good and bad rhythm naturally assimilate to a good and bad style; and that
harmony and discord in like manner follow style; for our principle is that
rhythm and harmony are regulated by the words, and not the words by
them.
Just so, he said, they should follow the words.
And will not the words and the character of the style depend on the
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Yes.
And everything else on the style?
Yes.
Simplicity the great first principle; Then beauty of style and harmony and grace
and good E rhythm depend on simplicity,—I mean the true simplicity of a
rightly and nobly ordered mind and character, not that other simplicity
which is only an euphemism for folly?
Very true, he replied.
And if our youth are to do their work in life, must they not make these
graces and harmonies their perpetual aim?
They must.
401 and a principle which is widely spread in nature and art. And surely the art of the
painter and every other creative and constructive art are full of them,—
weaving, embroidery, architecture, and every kind of manufacture; also
nature, animal and vegetable,—in all of them there is grace or the absence
of grace. And ugliness and discord and inharmonious motion are nearly
allied to ill words and ill nature, as grace and harmony are the twin sisters
of goodness and virtue and bear their likeness.
That is quite true, he said.
B Our citizens must grow up to manhood amidst impressions of grace and beauty only; all
But shall our superintendence go no further,
ugliness and vice must be excluded.
and are the poets only to be required by us to express the image of the good
in their works, on pain, if they do anything else, of expulsion from our
State? Or is the same control to be extended to other artists, and are they
also to be prohibited from exhibiting the opposite forms of vice and
intemperance and meanness and indecency in sculpture and building and
the other creative arts; and is he who cannot conform to this rule of ours to
be prevented from practising his art in our State, lest the taste of our citizens
be corrupted by him? We would not have our guardians grow up amid
images of moral deformity, as in some noxious pasture, and there C browse
and feed upon many a baneful herb and flower day by day, little by little,
until they silently gather a festering mass of corruption in their own soul.
Let our artists rather be those who are gifted to discern the true nature of the
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fair sights and sounds, and receive the good in everything; and beauty, the
effluence of fair works, shall D flow into the eye and ear, like a health-
giving breeze from a purer region, and 88 insensibly draw the soul from
earliest years into likeness and sympathy with the beauty of reason.
There can be no nobler training than that, he replied.
And therefore, I said,
The power of imparting grace is possessed by harmony.
Glaucon, musical training is a more potent instrument than any other,
because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the
soul, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul
of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who E is ill-educated
ungraceful; and also because he who has received this true education of the
inner being will most shrewdly perceive omissions or faults in art and
nature, and 402 with a true taste, while he praises and rejoices over and
receives into his soul the good, and becomes noble and good, he will justly
blame and hate the bad, now in the days of his youth, even before he is able
to know the reason why; and when reason comes he will recognise and
salute the friend with whom his education has made him long familiar.
Yes, he said, I quite agree with you in thinking that our youth should be
trained in music and on the grounds which you mention.
Just as in learning to read, I said, we were satisfied when we knew the
letters of the alphabet, which are very few, in all their recurring sizes and
combinations; not slighting them B as unimportant whether they occupy a
space large or small, but everywhere eager to make them out; and not
thinking ourselves perfect in the art of reading until we recognise them
wherever they are found38:
38 Cp. supra, II. 368 D.

True—
Or, as we recognise the reflection of letters in the water, or in a mirror,
only when we know the letters themselves; the same art and study giving us
the knowledge of both:
Exactly—
The true musician must know the essential forms of virtue and vice. Even so, as I
maintain, neither we nor our guardians, whom C we have to educate, can
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temperance, courage, liberality, magnificence, and their kindred, as well as
the contrary forms, in all their combinations, and can recognise them and
their images wherever they are found, not slighting 89 them either in small
things or great, but believing them all to be within the sphere of one art and
study.
Most assuredly.
D And when a beautiful soul
The harmony of soul and body the fairest of sights.
harmonizes with a beautiful form, and the two are cast in one mould, that
will be the fairest of sights to him who has an eye to see it?
The fairest indeed.
And the fairest is also the loveliest?
That may be assumed.
And the man who has the spirit of harmony will be most in love with the
loveliest; but he will not love him who is of an inharmonious soul?
That is true, he replied, if the
The true lover will not mind defects of the person.
deficiency be in his soul; but if there be any merely bodily defect in another
he will E be patient of it, and will love all the same.
I perceive, I said, that you have or have had experiences of this sort, and I
agree. But let me ask you another question: Has excess of pleasure any
affinity to temperance?
How can that be? he replied; pleasure deprives a man of the use of his
faculties quite as much as pain.
Or any affinity to virtue in general?
403 None whatever.
Any affinity to wantonness and intemperance?
Yes, the greatest.
And is there any greater or keener pleasure than that of sensual love?
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Whereas true love is a love of beauty and
True love is temperate and harmonious.
order—temperate and harmonious?
Quite true, he said.
Then no intemperance or madness should be allowed to approach true
love?
Certainly not.
B Then mad or intemperate
True love is free from sensuality and coarseness.
pleasure must never be allowed to come near the lover and his beloved;
neither of them can have any part in it if their love is of the right sort?
No, indeed, Socrates, it must never come near them.
Then I suppose that in the city which we are founding you would make a
law to the effect that a friend should use no other familiarity to his love than
a father would use to his 90 son, and then only for a noble purpose, and he
must first have the other’s consent; and this rule is to limit him in C all his
intercourse, and he is never to be seen going further, or, if he exceeds, he is
to be deemed guilty of coarseness and bad taste.
I quite agree, he said.
Thus much of music, which makes a fair ending; for what should be the
end of music if not the love of beauty?
I agree, he said.
Gymnastic. After music comes gymnastic, in which our youth are next to
be trained.
Certainly.
Gymnastic as well as music should begin in early years; the training in it
should be careful and should continue through life. D Now my belief is,—
and this is a matter upon which I should like to have your opinion in
confirmation of my own, but my own belief is,—not that the good body by
any bodily excellence improves the soul, but, on the contrary, that the good
soul, by her own excellence, improves the body as far as this may be
possible. What do you say?
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Then, to the mind when adequately trained,
The body to be entrusted to the mind.
we shall be right in handing over the more particular care of the body;
E and in order to avoid prolixity we will now only give the general outlines
of the subject.
Very good.
That they must abstain from intoxication has been already remarked by
us; for of all persons a guardian should be the last to get drunk and not
know where in the world he is.
Yes, he said; that a guardian should require another guardian to take care
of him is ridiculous indeed.
But next, what shall we say of their food; for the men are in training for
the great contest of all—are they not?
Yes, he said.
404 And will the habit of body of our ordinary athletes be suited to
them?
Why not?
I am afraid, I said, that a habit of
The usual training of athletes too gross and sleepy.
body such as they have is but a sleepy sort of thing, and rather perilous to
health. Do you not observe that these athletes sleep away their 91 lives, and
are liable to most dangerous illnesses if they depart, in ever so slight a
degree, from their customary regimen?
Yes, I do.
Then, I said, a finer sort of training will be required for our warrior
athletes, who are to be like wakeful dogs, and to see and hear with the
utmost keenness; amid the many changes of water and also of food, of
summer heat and winter B cold, which they will have to endure when on a
campaign, they must not be liable to break down in health.
That is my view.
The really excellent gymnastic is twin sister of that simple music which
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Why, I conceive that there is a gymnastic which, like our
Military gymnastic.
music, is simple and good; and especially the military gymnastic.
What do you mean?
My meaning may be learned from Homer; he, you know, feeds his heroes
at their feasts, when they are campaigning, on soldiers’ fare; they have no
fish, although they are on C the shores of the Hellespont, and they are not
allowed boiled meats but only roast, which is the food most convenient for
soldiers, requiring only that they should light a fire, and not involving the
trouble of carrying about pots and pans.
True.
And I can hardly be mistaken in saying that sweet sauces are nowhere
mentioned in Homer. In proscribing them, however, he is not singular; all
professional athletes are well aware that a man who is to be in good
condition should take nothing of the kind.
Yes, he said; and knowing this, they are quite right in not taking them.
D Then you would not
Syracusan dinners and Corinthian courtezans are prohibited.
approve of Syracusan dinners, and the refinements of Sicilian cookery?
I think not.
Nor, if a man is to be in condition, would you allow him to have a
Corinthian girl as his fair friend?
Certainly not. 92
Neither would you approve of the delicacies, as they are thought, of
Athenian confectionary?
Certainly not.
The luxurious style of living may be justly compared to the panharmonic strain of music. All
such feeding and living may be rightly compared by us E to melody and
song composed in the panharmonic style, and in all the rhythms.
Exactly.
There complexity engendered licence, and here disease; whereas
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in gymnastic of health in the body.
Most true, he said.
405 But when intemperance and diseases multiply in a State, halls of
justice and medicine are always being opened; and the arts of the doctor and
the lawyer give themselves airs, finding how keen is the interest which not
only the slaves but the freemen of a city take about them.
Of course.
And yet what greater proof can
Every man should be his own doctor and lawyer.
there be of a bad and disgraceful state of education than this, that not only
artisans and the meaner sort of people need the skill of first-rate physicians
and judges, but also those who would profess to B have had a liberal
education? Is it not disgraceful, and a great sign of want of good-breeding,
that a man should have to go abroad for his law and physic because he has
none of his own at home, and must therefore surrender himself into the
hands of other men whom he makes lords and judges over him?
Of all things, he said, the most disgraceful.
Would you say ‘most,’
Bad as it is to go to law, it is still worse to be a lover of litigation.
I replied, when you consider that there is a further stage of the evil in which
a man is not only a life-long litigant, passing all his days in the courts,
either as plaintiff or defendant, but is actually led by his bad taste to pride
himself on his litigiousness; he imagines that he is C a master in
dishonesty; able to take every crooked turn, and wriggle into and out of
every hole, bending like a withy and getting out of the way of justice: and
all for what?—in order to gain small points not worth mentioning, he not
knowing that so to order his life as to be able to do without a napping judge
is a far higher and nobler sort of thing. Is not that still more disgraceful? 93
Yes, he said, that is still more disgraceful.
Well, I said, and to require the help of
Bad also to require the help of medicine.
medicine, not when a wound has to be cured, or on occasion of an
epidemic, but D just because, by indolence and a habit of life such as we
have been describing, men fill themselves with waters and winds, as if their
bodies were a marsh, compelling the ingenious sons of Asclepius to find
more names for diseases, such as flatulence and catarrh; is not this, too, a
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Yes, he said, they do certainly give very strange and newfangled names to
diseases.
In the time of Asclepius and of Homer the practice of medicine was very simple. Yes, I said,
and I do not believe that there were any such E diseases in the days of
Asclepius; and this I infer from the circumstance that the hero Eurypylus,
after he has been wounded in Homer, drinks a posset of Pramnian wine well
406 besprinkled with barley-meal and grated cheese, which are certainly
inflammatory, and yet the sons of Asclepius who were at the Trojan war do
not blame the damsel who gives him the drink, or rebuke Patroclus, who is
treating his case.
Well, he said, that was surely an extraordinary drink to be given to a
person in his condition.
Not so extraordinary, I replied, if you
The nursing of disease began with Herodicus.
bear in mind that in former days, as is commonly said, before the time of
Herodicus, the guild of Asclepius did not practise our present system of
medicine, which may be said to educate diseases. But Herodicus, being a
trainer, and himself of a sickly constitution, by a combination of training
and doctoring found B out a way of torturing first and chiefly himself, and
secondly the rest of the world.
How was that? he said.
By the invention of lingering death; for he had a mortal disease which he
perpetually tended, and as recovery was out of the question, he passed his
entire life as a valetudinarian; he could do nothing but attend upon himself,
and he was in constant torment whenever he departed in anything from his
usual regimen, and so dying hard, by the help of science he struggled on to
old age.
A rare reward of his skill!
C Yes, I said; a reward which a man might fairly expect who never
understood that, if Asclepius did not instruct his descendants in
valetudinarian arts, the omission arose, not 94 from ignorance or
inexperience of such a branch of medicine, but because he knew that in all
well-ordered states every individual has an occupation to which he must
attend, and has therefore no leisure to spend in continually being ill. This
we remark in the case of the artisan, but, ludicrously enough, do not apply
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How do you mean? he said.
D I mean this: When a
The working-man has no time for tedious remedies.
carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and ready cure; an emetic
or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these are his remedies. And if some
one prescribes for him a course of dietetics, and tells him that he must
swathe and swaddle his head, and all that sort of thing, he replies at once
that he has no time to be ill, and that he sees no good in a life which is spent
in nursing his disease to the neglect of his customary employment; and
therefore E bidding good-bye to this sort of physician, he resumes his
ordinary habits, and either gets well and lives and does his business, or, if
his constitution fails, he dies and has no more trouble.
Yes, he said, and a man in his condition of life ought to use the art of
medicine thus far only.
407 Has he not, I said, an occupation; and what profit would there be in
his life if he were deprived of his occupation?
Quite true, he said.
But with the rich man this is otherwise; of him we do not say that he has
any specially appointed work which he must perform, if he would live.
He is generally supposed to have nothing to do.
Then you never heard of the saying of Phocylides, that as soon as a man
has a livelihood he should practise virtue?
Nay, he said, I think that he had better begin somewhat sooner.
Let us
The slow cure equally an impediment to the mechanical arts, to the practice of virtue
not have a dispute with him about this, I said; but rather ask ourselves: Is
the practice of virtue obligatory on B the rich man, or can he live without
it? And if obligatory on him, then let us raise a further question, whether
this dieting of disorders, which is an impediment to the application of the
mind in carpentering and the mechanical arts, does not equally stand in the
way of the sentiment of Phocylides? 95
Of that, he replied, there can be no doubt; such excessive care of the
body, when carried beyond the rules of gymnastic, is most inimical to the
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and to any kind of study or thought. 39Yes,
indeed, I replied, and equally
incompatible with the management of a house, an army, or an office of
state; and, what is most important of all, irreconcileable with any kind C of
study or thought or self-reflection—there is a constant suspicion that
headache and giddiness are to be ascribed to philosophy, and hence all
practising or making trial of virtue in the higher sense is absolutely stopped;
for a man is always fancying that he is being made ill, and is in constant
anxiety about the state of his body.
39 Making the answer of Socrates begin at καὶ γὰρ πρὸς κ.τ.λ.

Yes, likely enough.
Asclepius would not cure diseased constitutions because they were of no use to the State. And
therefore our politic Asclepius may be supposed to have exhibited the
power of his art only to persons who, being generally of healthy
constitution and habits of life, had D a definite ailment; such as these he
cured by purges and operations, and bade them live as usual, herein
consulting the interests of the State; but bodies which disease had
penetrated through and through he would not have attempted to cure by
gradual processes of evacuation and infusion: he did not want to lengthen
out good-for-nothing lives, or to have weak fathers begetting weaker sons;
—if a man was not able to live in the ordinary way he had no business to
cure him; E for such a cure would have been of no use either to himself, or
to the State.
Then, he said, you regard Asclepius as a statesman.
The case of Menelaus, who was attended by the sons of Asclepius. Clearly; and his
character is further illustrated by his sons. 408 Note that they were heroes
in the days of old and practised the medicines of which I am speaking at the
siege of Troy: You will remember how, when Pandarus wounded Menelaus,
they

‘Sucked the blood out of the wound, and sprinkled soothing remedies40,’

but they never prescribed what the patient was afterwards to eat or drink in
the case of Menelaus, any more than in the case of Eurypylus; the remedies,
as they conceived, were enough to heal any man who before he was
wounded was 96 B healthy and regular in his habits; and even though he
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same. But they would have nothing to do with unhealthy and intemperate
subjects, whose lives were of no use either to themselves or others; the art
of medicine was not designed for their good, and though they were as rich
as Midas, the sons of Asclepius would have declined to attend them.
40 Iliad iv. 218.

They were very acute persons, those sons of Asclepius.
Naturally so, I replied. Nevertheless, the tragedians
The offence of Asclepius.
and Pindar disobeying our behests, although they acknowledge that
Asclepius was the son of Apollo, say also that he was bribed into healing a
rich man who was at the point of C death, and for this reason he was struck
by lightning. But we, in accordance with the principle already affirmed by
us, will not believe them when they tell us both;—if he was the son of a
god, we maintain that he was not avaricious; or, if he was avaricious, he
was not the son of a god.
All that, Socrates, is excellent; but I should like to put a question to you:
Ought there not to be good physicians in a State, and are not the best those
who have treated the D greatest number of constitutions good and bad? and
are not the best judges in like manner those who are acquainted with all
sorts of moral natures?
Yes, I said, I too would have good judges and good physicians. But do
you know whom I think good?
Will you tell me?
I will, if I can. Let me however note that in the same question you join
two things which are not the same.
How so? he asked.
Why, I said, you join
The physician should have experience of illness in his own person;
physicians and judges. Now the most skilful physicians are those who, from
their youth upwards, have combined with the knowledge of their art E the
greatest experience of disease; they had better not be robust in health, and
should have had all manner of diseases in their own persons. For the body,
as I conceive, is not the instrument with which they cure the body; in that
case we could not allow them ever to be or to have been sickly; but they
cure the body with the mind, and the mind which has become and is sick
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That is very true, he said.
409 on the other hand, the judge should not learn to know evil by the practice of it, but by long
But with the judge it is otherwise; since he governs
observation of evil in others.
mind by mind; he ought not therefore to have been trained among vicious
minds, and to have associated with them from youth upwards, and to have
gone through the whole calendar of crime, only in order that he may quickly
infer the crimes of others as he might their bodily diseases from his own
self-consciousness; the honourable mind which is to form a healthy
judgment should have had no experience or contamination of evil habits
when young. And this is the reason why in youth good men often appear to
be simple, and are B easily practised upon by the dishonest, because they
have no examples of what evil is in their own souls.
Yes, he said, they are far too apt to be deceived.
Therefore, I said, the judge should not be young; he should have learned
to know evil, not from his own soul, but from late and long observation of
the nature of evil in others: C knowledge should be his guide, not personal
experience.
Yes, he said, that is the ideal of a judge.
Yes, I
Such a knowledge of human nature far better and truer than that of the adept in crime.
replied, and he will be a good man (which is my answer to your question);
for he is good who has a good soul. But the cunning and suspicious nature
of which we spoke,—he who has committed many crimes, and fancies
himself to be a master in wickedness, when he is amongst his fellows, is
wonderful in the precautions which he takes, because he judges of them by
himself: but when he gets into the company of men of virtue, who have the
experience of age, he appears to be a fool again, owing to his unseasonable
suspicions; D he cannot recognise an honest man, because he has no
pattern of honesty in himself; at the same time, as the bad are more
numerous than the good, and he meets with them oftener, he thinks himself,
and is by others thought to be, rather wise than foolish.
Most true, he said.
Then the good and wise judge whom we are seeking is not this man, but
the other; for vice cannot know virtue too, but a virtuous nature, educated
by time, will acquire a knowledge E both of virtue and vice: the virtuous,
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And in mine also. 98
This is the sort of medicine, and this is the sort of law, which you will
sanction in your state. They will minister to 410 better natures, giving
health both of soul and of body; but those who are diseased in their bodies
they will leave to die, and the corrupt and incurable souls they will put an
end to themselves.
That is clearly the best thing both for the patients and for the State.
And thus our youth, having been educated only in that simple music
which, as we said, inspires temperance, will be reluctant to go to law.
Clearly.
B And the musician, who, keeping to the same track, is content to
practise the simple gymnastic, will have nothing to do with medicine unless
in some extreme case.
That I quite believe.
The very exercises and tolls which he undergoes are intended to stimulate
the spirited element of his nature, and not to increase his strength; he will
not, like common athletes, use exercise and regimen to develope his
muscles.
Very right, he said.
C Neither
Music and gymnastic are equally designed for the improvement of the mind.
are the two arts of music and gymnastic really designed, as is often
supposed, the one for the training of the soul, the other for the training of
the body.
What then is the real object of them?
I believe, I said, that the teachers of both have in view chiefly the
improvement of the soul.
How can that be? he asked.
Did you never observe, I said, the effect on the mind itself of exclusive
devotion to gymnastic, or the opposite effect of an exclusive devotion to
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In what way shown? he said.
D The mere athlete must be softened, and the philosophic nature prevented from becoming too
soft The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of
softness and effeminacy, I replied.
Yes, he said, I am quite aware that the mere athlete becomes too much of
a savage, and that the mere musician is melted and softened beyond what is
good for him.
Yet surely, I said, this ferocity only comes from spirit, which, if rightly
educated, would give courage, but, if too much intensified, is liable to
become hard and brutal. 99
That I quite think.
On the other hand the philosopher will have the quality of gentleness.
E
And this also, when too much indulged, will turn to softness, but, if
educated rightly, will be gentle and moderate.
True.
And in our opinion the guardians ought to have both these qualities?
Assuredly.
And both should be in harmony?
Beyond question.
411 And the harmonious soul is both temperate and courageous?
Yes.
And the inharmonious is cowardly and boorish?
Very true.
And,
Music, if carried too far, renders the weaker nature effeminate, the stronger irritable.
when a man allows music to play upon him and to pour into his soul
through the funnel of his ears those sweet and soft and melancholy airs of
which we were just now speaking, and his whole life is passed in warbling
and the delights of song; in the first stage of the process the passion or spirit
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and useless. But, if he carries on the softening and soothing process, in the
next stage he begins to melt and waste, until he has wasted away his spirit
and cut out the sinews of his soul; and he becomes a feeble warrior.
Very true.
If the element of spirit is naturally weak in him the change is speedily
accomplished, but if he have a good deal, then the power of music
weakening the spirit renders him excitable;—on the least provocation he
flames up at once, and is C speedily extinguished; instead of having spirit
he grows irritable and passionate and is quite impracticable.
Exactly.
And in like manner the well-fed athlete, if he have no education, degenerates into a wild beast.
And so in gymnastics, if a man takes violent exercise and is a great feeder,
and the reverse of a great student of music and philosophy, at first the high
condition of his body fills him with pride and spirit, and he becomes twice
the man that he was. 100
Certainly.
And what happens? if he do nothing else, and holds no D converse with
the Muses, does not even that intelligence which there may be in him,
having no taste of any sort of learning or enquiry or thought or culture,
grow feeble and dull and blind, his mind never waking up or receiving
nourishment, and his senses not being purged of their mists?
True, he said.
And he ends by becoming a hater of philosophy, uncivilized, never using
the weapon of persuasion,—he is like a wild E beast, all violence and
fierceness, and knows no other way of dealing; and he lives in all ignorance
and evil conditions, and has no sense of propriety and grace.
That is quite true, he said.
And as there are two principles of human nature, one the spirited and the
other the philosophical, some God, as I should say, has given mankind two
arts answering to them (and only indirectly to the soul and body), in order
that these 412 two principles (like the strings of an instrument) may be
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That appears to be the intention.
And he
Music to be mingled with gymnastic, and both attempered to the individual soul.
who mingles music with gymnastic in the fairest proportions, and best
attempers them to the soul, may be rightly called the true musician and
harmonist in a far higher sense than the tuner of the strings.
You are quite right, Socrates.
And such a presiding genius will be always required in our State if the
government is to last.
B Yes, he will be absolutely necessary.
Enough of principles of education: who are to be our rulers? Such, then, are our
principles of nurture and education: Where would be the use of going into
further details about the dances of our citizens, or about their hunting and
coursing, their gymnastic and equestrian contests? For these all follow the
general principle, and having found that, we shall have no difficulty in
discovering them.
I dare say that there will be no difficulty.
Very good, I said; then what is the next question? Must we not ask who
are to be rulers and who subjects?
C Certainly.
The elder must rule and the younger serve. There can be no doubt that the elder
must rule the younger. 101
Clearly.
And that the best of these must rule.
That is also clear.
Now, are not the best husbandmen those who are most devoted to
husbandry?
Yes.
And as we are to have the best of guardians for our city, must they not be
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Yes.
And to this end they ought to be wise and efficient, and to have a special
care of the State?
D True.
Those are to be appointed rulers who have been tested in all the stages of their life; And a
man will be most likely to care about that which he loves?
To be sure.
And he will be most likely to love that which he regards as having the
same interests with himself, and that of which the good or evil fortune is
supposed by him at any time most to affect his own?
Very true, he replied.
Then there must be a selection. Let us note among the guardians those
who in their whole life show the greatest E eagerness to do what is for the
good of their country, and the greatest repugnance to do what is against her
interests.
Those are the right men.
And they will have to be watched at every age, in order that we may see
whether they preserve their resolution, and never, under the influence either
of force or enchantment, forget or cast off their sense of duty to the State.
How cast off? he said.
I will explain to you, I replied. A resolution may go out of a man’s mind
either with his will or against his will; with 413 his will when he gets rid of
a falsehood and learns better, against his will whenever he is deprived of a
truth.
I understand, he said, the willing loss of a resolution; the meaning of the
unwilling I have yet to learn.
Why, I said, do you not see that men are unwillingly deprived of good,
and willingly of evil? Is not to have lost the truth an evil, and to possess the
truth a good? and you 102 would agree that to conceive things as they are is
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Yes, he replied; I agree with you in thinking that mankind are deprived of
truth against their will.
B And is not this involuntary deprivation caused either by theft, or
force, or enchantment?
Still, he replied, I do not understand you.
I fear that I must
and who are unchanged by the influence either of pleasure, or of fear,
have been talking darkly, like the tragedians. I only mean that some men are
changed by persuasion and that others forget; argument steals away the
hearts of one class, and time of the other; and this I call theft. Now you
understand me?
Yes.
Those again who are forced, are those whom the violence of some pain or
grief compels to change their opinion.
I understand, he said, and you are quite right.
C And you would also acknowledge that the enchanted
or of enchantments.
are those who change their minds either under the softer influence of
pleasure, or the sterner influence of fear?
Yes, he said; everything that deceives may be said to enchant.
Therefore, as I was just now saying, we must enquire who are the best
guardians of their own conviction that what they think the interest of the
State is to be the rule of their lives. We must watch them from their youth
upwards, and make them perform actions in which they are most likely to
forget or to be deceived, and he who remembers and is not deceived D is to
be selected, and he who fails in the trial is to be rejected. That will be the
way?
Yes.
And there should also be toils and pains and conflicts prescribed for
them, in which they will be made to give further proof of the same qualities.
Very right, he replied.
And then, I said, we must try them with enchantments—that is the third
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amid noise and tumult to see if they are of a timid nature, so must we take
our youth amid terrors of some kind, and again pass them into pleasures,
E and prove them more thoroughly than gold is 103 proved in the furnace,
that we may discover whether they are armed against all enchantments, and
of a noble bearing always, good guardians of themselves and of the music
which they have learned, and retaining under all circumstances a rhythmical
and harmonious nature, such as will be most serviceable to the individual
and to the State. If they stand the test they are to be honoured in life and after death. And he
who at every age, as boy and youth and in mature life, has come out of the
trial victorious and pure, shall be appointed 414 a ruler and guardian of the
State; he shall be honoured in life and death, and shall receive sepulture and
other memorials of honour, the greatest that we have to give. But him who
fails, we must reject. I am inclined to think that this is the sort of way in
which our rulers and guardians should be chosen and appointed. I speak
generally, and not with any pretension to exactness.
And, speaking generally, I agree with you, he said.
B The title of guardians to be reserved for the elders, the young men to be called auxiliaries.
And perhaps the word ‘guardian’ in the fullest sense ought to be applied to
this higher class only who preserve us against foreign enemies and maintain
peace among our citizens at home, that the one may not have the will, or the
others the power, to harm us. The young men whom we before called
guardians may be more properly designated auxiliaries and supporters of
the principles of the rulers.
I agree with you, he said.
How then may we devise one of those needful falsehoods of which we
lately spoke—just one royal lie which may C deceive the rulers, if that be
possible, and at any rate the rest of the city?
What sort of lie? he said.
Nothing new, I replied; only an old Phoenician41 tale of
The Phoenician tale.
what has often occurred before now in other places, (as the poets say, and
have made the world believe) though not in our time, and I do not know
whether such an event could ever happen again, or could now even be made
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41 Cp. Laws, 663 E.

How your words seem to hesitate on your lips!
You will not wonder, I replied, at my hesitation when you have heard.
Speak, he said, and fear not. 104
D Well
The citizens to be told that they are really autochthonous, sent up out of the earth,
then, I will speak, although I really know not how to look you in the face, or
in what words to utter the audacious fiction, which I propose to
communicate gradually, first to the rulers, then to the soldiers, and lastly to
the people. They are to be told that their youth was a dream, and the
education and training which they received from us, an appearance only; in
reality during all that time they were being formed and fed in the womb of
the earth, where they E themselves and their arms and appurtenances were
manufactured; when they were completed, the earth, their mother, sent them
up; and so, their country being their mother and also their nurse, they are
bound to advise for her good, and to defend her against attacks, and her
citizens they are to regard as children of the earth and their own brothers.
You had good reason, he said, to be ashamed of the lie which you were
going to tell.
415 True, I replied, but there is more
and composed of metals of various quality.
coming; I have only told you half. Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale,
you are brothers, yet God has framed you differently. Some of you have the
power of command, and in the composition of these he has mingled gold,
wherefore also they have the greatest honour; others he has made of silver,
to be auxiliaries; others again who are to be husbandmen and craftsmen he
has composed of brass and iron; and the species will generally be preserved
in the children. But as all are of the same original stock, a golden parent
will sometimes have a B silver son, or a silver parent a golden son. And
God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there
is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be
such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. The noble quality to rise in the
State, the ignoble to descend. They should observe what elements mingle in their
offspring; for if the son of a golden or silver parent has an admixture of
brass and iron, then nature orders C a transposition of ranks, and the eye of
the ruler must not be pitiful towards the child because he has to descend in
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artisans who having an admixture of gold or silver in them are raised to
honour, and become guardians or auxiliaries. For an oracle says that when a
man of brass or iron guards the State, it will be destroyed. Is such a fiction
credible?—Yes, in a future generation; not in the present. Such is the 105 tale; is there any
possibility of making our citizens believe in it?
D Not in the present generation, he replied; there is no way of
accomplishing this; but their sons may be made to believe in the tale, and
their sons’ sons, and posterity after them.
I see the difficulty, I replied; yet the fostering of such a belief will make
them care more for the city and for one another. Enough, however, of the
fiction, which may now fly abroad upon the wings of rumour, while we arm
our earth-born heroes, and lead them forth under the command of their
rulers. The selection of a site for the warriors’ camp. Let them look round and select a
spot whence they can best suppress insurrection, if any prove refractory
E within, and also defend themselves against enemies, who like wolves
may come down on the fold from without; there let them encamp, and when
they have encamped, let them sacrifice to the proper Gods and prepare their
dwellings.
Just so, he said.
And their dwellings must be such as will shield them against the cold of
winter and the heat of summer.
I suppose that you mean houses, he replied.
Yes, I said; but they must be the houses of soldiers, and not of shop-
keepers.
What is the difference? he said.
416 That I will endeavour to
The warriors must be humanized by education.
explain, I replied. To keep watch-dogs, who, from want of discipline or
hunger, or some evil habit or other, would turn upon the sheep and worry
them, and behave not like dogs but wolves, would be a foul and monstrous
thing in a shepherd?
Truly monstrous, he said.
B And therefore every care must be taken that our auxiliaries, being
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become savage tyrants instead of friends and allies?
Yes, great care should be taken.
And would not a really good education furnish the best safeguard?
But they are well-educated already, he replied.
I cannot be so confident, my dear Glaucon, I said; I am much more
certain that they ought to be, and that true C education, whatever that may
be, will have the greatest 106 tendency to civilize and humanize them in
their relations to one another, and to those who are under their protection.
Very true, he replied.
And not only their education, but their habitations, and all that belongs to
them, should be such as will neither impair their virtue as guardians, nor
tempt them to prey upon the other citizens. D Any man of sense must
acknowledge that.
He must.
Then now let us consider what will be
Their way of life will be that of a camp
their way of life, if they are to realize our idea of them. In the first place,
none of them should have any property of his own beyond what is
absolutely necessary; neither should they have a private house or store
closed against any one who has a mind to enter; their provisions should be
only such as are required by trained warriors, who are men of temperance
and courage; E they should agree to receive from the citizens a fixed rate
of pay, enough to meet the expenses of the year and no more; and they will
go to mess and live together like soldiers in a camp. Gold and silver we will
tell them that they have from God; the diviner metal is within them, and
they have therefore no need of the dross which is current among men, and
ought not to pollute the divine by any 417 such earthly admixture; for that
commoner metal has been the source of many unholy deeds, but their own
is undefiled. And they alone of all the citizens may not touch or handle
silver or gold, or be under the same roof with them, or wear them, or drink
from them. And this will be their salvation, and they will be the saviours of
the State. They must have no homes or property of their own. But should they ever
acquire homes or lands or moneys of their own, they will become
housekeepers and husbandmen instead of guardians, B enemies and tyrants
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being plotted against, they will pass their whole life in much greater terror
of internal than of external enemies, and the hour of ruin, both to
themselves and to the rest of the State, will be at hand. For all which
reasons may we not say that thus shall our State be ordered, and that these
shall be the regulations appointed by us for guardians concerning their
houses and all other matters?
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BOOK IV.

Steph.
419 Republic IV.
ADEIMANTUS, SOCRATES.
HERE Adeimantus
An objection that Socrates has made his citizens poor and miserable:
interposed a question: How would you answer, Socrates, said he, if a person
were to say that you are making1 these people miserable, and that they are
the cause of their own unhappiness; the city in fact belongs to them, but
they are none the better for it; whereas other men acquire lands, and build
large and handsome houses, and have everything handsome about them,
offering sacrifices to the gods on their own account, and practising
hospitality; moreover, as you were saying just now, they have gold and
silver, and all that is usual among the favourites of fortune; but our poor
citizens are no better than mercenaries who are quartered in the city and are
always mounting guard?
1 Or, ‘that for their own good you are making these people miserable.’

Yes, I said; and you may
420 and worst of all, adds Socrates, they have no money.
add that they are only fed, and not paid in addition to their food, like other
men; and therefore they cannot, if they would, take a journey of pleasure;
they have no money to spend on a mistress or any other luxurious fancy,
which, as the world goes, is thought to be happiness; and many other
accusations of the same nature might be added.
But, said he, let us suppose all this to be included in the charge.
B You mean to ask, I said, what will be our answer?
Yes.
If we proceed along the old
Yet very likely they may be the happiest of mankind.
path, my belief, I said, is that we shall find the answer. And our answer will
be that, even as they are, our guardians may very likely be the happiest of
men; but that our aim in founding the State was not the disproportionate
happiness of any one class, but the greatest happiness of the whole; we
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whole we should be most likely to find justice, and in the ill-ordered
C State injustice: and, having found them, we might then decide which of
the two is the happier. At present, I take it, we are fashioning the happy
State, not piecemeal, or with a view of making a few happy citizens, but as
a whole; and by-and-by we will proceed to view the opposite kind of State.
The State, like a statue, must be judged of as a whole. Suppose that we were painting a
statue, and some one came up to us and said, Why do you not put the most
beautiful colours on the most beautiful parts of the body—the eyes ought to
be purple, but you have made them black—to him D we might fairly
answer, Sir, you would not surely have us beautify the eyes to such a degree
that they are no longer eyes; consider rather whether, by giving this and the
other features their due proportion, we make the whole beautiful. And so I
say to you, do not compel us to assign to the guardians a sort of happiness
which will make them anything but guardians; E for we too can clothe our
husbandmen in royal apparel, and set crowns of gold on their heads, and bid
them till the ground as much as they like, and no more. Our potters also
might be allowed to repose on couches, and feast by the fireside, passing
round the winecup, while their wheel is conveniently at hand, and working
at pottery only as much as they like; in this way we might make every class
happy—and then, as you imagine, the whole State would be happy. But do
not put this idea into our heads; for, 421 if we listen to you, the
husbandman will be no longer a husbandman, the potter will cease to be a
potter, and no one will have the character of any distinct class in the State.
Now this is not of much consequence where the corruption of society, and
pretension to be what you are not, is confined to cobblers; but when the
guardians of the laws and of the government are only seeming and not real
guardians, then see how they turn the State upside down; and on the other
hand they alone have the power of giving order and happiness to the State.
The guardians must be guardians, not boon companions. We mean our guardians to be
true B saviours and not the destroyers of the State, whereas our opponent is
thinking of peasants at a festival, who are enjoying a life of revelry, not of
citizens who are doing their duty to the State. But, if so, we mean different
things, and he is 109 speaking of something which is not a State. And
therefore we must consider whether in appointing our guardians we would
look to their greatest happiness individually, or whether this principle of
happiness does not rather reside in the State as a whole. But if the latter be
the truth, then the guardians C and auxiliaries, and all others equally with
them, must be compelled or induced to do their own work in the best way.
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classes will receive the proportion of happiness which nature assigns to
them.
I think that you are quite right.
I wonder whether you will agree with another remark which occurs to
me.
What may that be?
D There seem to be two causes of the deterioration of the arts.
What are they?
Wealth, I said, and poverty.
How do they act?
When an artisan grows rich, he becomes careless: if he is very poor, he has no money to buy tools
with. The city should be neither poor nor rich. The process is as follows: When a
potter becomes rich, will he, think you, any longer take the same pains with
his art?
Certainly not.
He will grow more and more indolent and careless?
Very true.
And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?
Yes; he greatly deteriorates.
But, on the other hand, if he has no money, and cannot provide himself
with tools or instruments, he will not work E equally well himself, nor will
he teach his sons or apprentices to work equally well.
Certainly not.
Then, under the influence either of poverty or of wealth, workmen and
their work are equally liable to degenerate?
That is evident.
Here, then, is a discovery of new evils, I said, against which the
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What evils?
422 Wealth, I said, and poverty; the one is the parent of 110 luxury and
indolence, and the other of meanness and viciousness, and both of
discontent.
That is very true, he
But how, being poor, can she contend against a wealthy enemy?
replied; but still I should like to know, Socrates, how our city will be able to
go to war, especially against an enemy who is rich and powerful, if deprived
of the sinews of war.
There would certainly be a difficulty, I replied, in going B to war with
one such enemy; but there is no difficulty where there are two of them.
How so? he asked.
In the first place, I
Our wiry soldiers will be more than a match for their fat neighbours.
said, if we have to fight, our side will be trained warriors fighting against an
army of rich men.
That is true, he said.
And do you not suppose, Adeimantus, that a single boxer who was
perfect in his art would easily be a match for two stout and well-to-do
gentlemen who were not boxers?
Hardly, if they came upon him at once.
What, now, I said, if he were able to run away and then C turn and strike
at the one who first came up? And supposing he were to do this several
times under the heat of a scorching sun, might he not, being an expert,
overturn more than one stout personage?
Certainly, he said, there would be nothing wonderful in that.
And yet rich men probably have a greater superiority in the science and
practise of boxing than they have in military qualities.
Likely enough.
Then we may assume that our athletes will be able to fight with two or
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And
D And they will have allies who will readily join on condition of receiving the spoil.
suppose that, before engaging, our citizens send an embassy to one of the
two cities, telling them what is the truth: Silver and gold we neither have
nor are permitted to have, but you may; do you therefore come and help us
in war, and take the spoils of the other city: Who, on hearing these words,
would choose to fight against lean wiry dogs, rather than, with the dogs on
their side, against fat and tender sheep?
That is not likely; and yet there might be a danger to the 111 E poor State
if the wealth of many States were to be gathered into one.
But many cities will conspire? No: they are divided in themselves. But how simple of
you to use the term State at all of any but our own!
Why so?
You ought to speak of other States in the plural number; not one of them
is a city, but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed any city,
however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the other
of the rich; 423 these are at war with one another; and in either there are
many smaller divisions, and you would be altogether beside the mark if you
treated them all as a single State. But if you deal with them as many, and
give the wealth or power or persons of the one to the others, you will
always have a great many friends and not many enemies. Many states are
contained in one And your State, while the wise order which has now been
prescribed continues to prevail in her, will be the greatest of States, I do not
mean to say in reputation or appearance, but in deed and truth, though she
number not more than a thousand defenders. A single State which is her
equal you will hardly find, either B among Hellenes or barbarians, though
many that appear to be as great and many times greater.
That is most true, he said.
And what, I said, will be the
The limit to the size of the State the possibility of unity.
best limit for our rulers to fix when they are considering the size of the State
and the amount of territory which they are to include, and beyond which
they will not go?
What limit would you propose?
I would allow the State to increase so far as is consistent with unity; that,
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C Very good, he said.
Here then, I said, is another order which will have to be conveyed to our
guardians: Let our city be accounted neither large nor small, but one and
self-sufficing.
And surely, said he, this is not a very severe order which we impose upon
them.
The duty of adjusting the citizens to the rank for which nature intended them. And the other,
said I, of which we were speaking before is lighter still,—I mean the duty of
degrading the offspring of the guardians when inferior, and of elevating into
the rank D of guardians the offspring of the lower classes, when naturally
112 superior. The intention was, that, in the case of the citizens generally,
each individual should be put to the use for which nature intended him, one
to one work, and then every man would do his own business, and be one
and not many; and so the whole city would be one and not many.
Yes, he said; that is not so difficult.
The regulations which we are prescribing, my good Adeimantus, are not,
as might be supposed, a number of great principles, but trifles all, if care be
taken, as the saying is, E of the one great thing,—a thing, however, which I
would rather call, not great, but sufficient for our purpose.
What may that be? he asked.
Education, I said, and nurture: If our citizens are well educated, and grow
into sensible men, they will easily see their way through all these, as well as
other matters which I omit; such, for example, as marriage, the possession
of 424 women and the procreation of children, which will all follow the
general principle that friends have all things in common, as the proverb
says.
That will be the best way of settling them.
Also, I said, the State, if
Good education has a cumulative force and affects the breed.
once started well, moves with accumulating force like a wheel. For good
nurture and education implant good constitutions, and these good
constitutions taking root in a good education improve more and more,
B and this improvement affects the breed in man as in other animals.

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Then to sum up: This is the
No innovations to be made either in music or gymnastic.
point to which, above all, the attention of our rulers should be directed,—
that music and gymnastic be preserved in their original form, and no
innovation made. They must do their utmost to maintain them intact. And
when any one says that mankind most regard

‘The newest song which the singers have2,’

C they will be afraid that he may be praising, not new songs, but a new
kind of song; and this ought not to be praised, or conceived to be the
meaning of the poet; for any musical innovation is full of danger to the
whole State, and ought to be prohibited. Damon. So Damon tells me, and I
can quite believe 113 him;—he says that when modes of music change, the
fundamental laws of the State always change with them.
2 Od. i. 352.

Yes, said Adeimantus; and you may add my suffrage to Damon’s and
your own.
DThen, I said, our guardians must lay the foundations of their fortress
in music?
Yes, he said; the lawlessness of which you speak too easily steals in.
Yes, I replied, in the form of amusement; and at first sight it appears
harmless.
Why, yes,
The spirit of lawlessness, beginning in music, gradually pervades the whole of life.
he said, and there is no harm; were it not that little by little this spirit of
licence, finding a home, imperceptibly penetrates into manners and
customs; whence, issuing with greater force, it invades contracts between
man and E man, and from contracts goes on to laws and constitutions, in
utter recklessness, ending at last, Socrates, by an overthrow of all rights,
private as well as public.
Is that true? I said.
That is my belief, he replied.
Then, as I was saying, our youth should be trained from the first in a
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themselves become lawless, they can never grow up into well-conducted
and virtuous citizens.
Very true, he said.
And when they have made a good
The habit of order the basis of education.
beginning in play, and by the help of music have gained the habit of good
order, then this habit of order, in a manner how unlike the lawless play of
the others! will accompany them in all their actions and be a principle of
growth to them, and if there be any fallen places in the State will raise them
up again.
Very true, he said.
If the citizens have the root of the matter in them, they will supply the details for themselves.
Thus educated, they will invent for themselves any lesser rules which their
predecessors have altogether neglected.
What do you mean?
B I mean such things as these:—when the young are to be silent before
their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making
them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be
worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general.
You would agree with me? 114
Yes.
But there is, I think, small wisdom in legislating about such matters,—I
doubt if it is ever done; nor are any precise written enactments about them
likely to be lasting.
Impossible.
It would seem, Adeimantus, that the direction in which C education
starts a man, will determine his future life. Does not like always attract like?
To be sure.
Until some one rare and grand result is reached which may be good, and
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And for this reason, I said, I shall not attempt to legislate further about
them.
Naturally enough, he replied.
Well, and about the business
The mere routine of administration may be omitted by us.
of the agora, and the ordinary dealings between man and man, or again
about agreements D with artisans; about insult and injury, or the
commencement of actions, and the appointment of juries, what would you
say? there may also arise questions about any impositions and exactions of
market and harbour dues which may be required, and in general about the
regulations of markets, police, harbours, and the like. But, oh heavens! shall
we condescend to legislate on any of these particulars?
I think, he said, that there is no need to impose laws about E them on
good men; what regulations are necessary they will find out soon enough
for themselves.
Yes, I said, my friend, if God will only preserve to them the laws which
we have given them.
And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever
making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining
perfection.
Illustration of reformers of the law taken from invalids who are always doctoring themselves, but
will never listen to the truth. You would compare them, I said, to those invalids
who, having no self-restraint, will not leave off their habits of
intemperance?
Exactly.
426 Yes, I said; and what a delightful life they lead! they are always
doctoring and increasing and complicating their disorders, and always
fancying that they will be cured by any nostrum which anybody advises
them to try. 115
Such cases are very common, he said, with invalids of this sort.
Yes, I replied; and the charming thing is that they deem him their worst
enemy who tells them the truth, which is simply that, unless they give up
eating and drinking and B wenching and idling, neither drug nor cautery
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Charming! he replied. I see nothing charming in going into a passion
with a man who tells you what is right.
These gentlemen, I said, do not seem to be in your good graces.
Assuredly not.
Nor would you praise the behaviour of States which act like the men
whom I was just now describing. For are there not ill-ordered States in
which the citizens are forbidden C under pain of death to alter the
constitution; and yet he who most sweetly courts those who live under this
regime and indulges them and fawns upon them and is skilful in
anticipating and gratifying their humours is held to be a great and good
statesman—do not these States resemble the persons whom I was
describing?
Yes, he said; the States are as bad as the men; and I am very far from
praising them.
D But do you not admire, I said, the coolness and dexterity of these
ready ministers of political corruption?
Demagogues trying their hands at legislation may be excused for their ignorance of the world.
Yes, he said, I do; but not of all of them, for there are some whom the
applause of the multitude has deluded into the belief that they are really
statesmen, and these are not much to be admired.
What do you mean? I said; you should have more feeling for them. When
a man cannot measure, and a great many E others who cannot measure
declare that he is four cubits high, can he help believing what they say?
Nay, he said, certainly not in that case.
Well, then, do not be angry with them; for are they not as good as a play,
trying their hand at paltry reforms such as I was describing; they are always
fancying that by legislation they will make an end of frauds in contracts,
and the other rascalities which I was mentioning, not knowing that they are
in reality cutting off the heads of a hydra? 116
427 Yes, he said; that is just what they are doing.
I conceive, I said, that the true legislator will not trouble himself with this
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ill-ordered or in a well-ordered State; for in the former they are quite
useless, and in the latter there will be no difficulty in devising them; and
many of them will naturally flow out of our previous regulations.
B What, then, he said, is still remaining to us of the work of legislation?
Nothing to us, I replied; but to Apollo, the God of Delphi, there remains
the ordering of the greatest and noblest and chiefest things of all.
Which are they? he said.
The institution of temples and sacrifices,
Religion to be left to the God of Delphi.
and the entire service of gods, demigods, and heroes; also the ordering of
the repositories of the dead, and the rites which have to be observed by him
who would propitiate the inhabitants of the world below. These are matters
of which we are ignorant ourselves, and as founders of a city we should be
C unwise in trusting them to any interpreter but our ancestral deity. He is
the god who sits in the centre, on the navel of the earth, and he is the
interpreter of religion to all mankind.
You are right, and we will do as you propose.
But where, amid all this, is justice? son of Ariston, tell me where.
D Now that our city has been made habitable, light a candle and search,
and get your brother and Polemarchus and the rest of our friends to help,
and let us see where in it we can discover justice and where injustice, and in
what they differ from one another, and which of them the man who would
be happy should have for his portion, whether seen or unseen by gods and
men.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON. Nonsense, said Glaucon: did you not promise to search
E yourself, saying that for you not to help justice in her need would be an
impiety?
I do not deny that I said so, and as you remind me, I will be as good as
my word; but you must join.
We will, he replied.
Well, then, I hope to make the discovery in this way: 117 I mean to begin
with the assumption that our State, if rightly ordered, is perfect.
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And being perfect, is therefore wise and valiant and temperate and just.
That is likewise clear.
And whichever of these qualities we find in the State, the one which is
not found will be the residue?
428 Very good.
If there were four things, and we were searching for one of them,
wherever it might be, the one sought for might be known to us from the
first, and there would be no further trouble; or we might know the other
three first, and then the fourth would clearly be the one left.
Very true, he said.
And is not a similar method to be pursued about the virtues, which are
also four in number?
Clearly.
The place of the virtues in the State: (1) The wisdom of the statesman advises, not about
particular arts or pursuits, First among the virtues found in the State, wisdom
comes B into view, and in this I detect a certain peculiarity.
What is that?
The State which we have been describing is said to be wise as being good
in counsel?
Very true.
And good counsel is clearly a kind of knowledge, for not by ignorance,
but by knowledge, do men counsel well?
Clearly.
And the kinds of knowledge in a State are many and diverse?
Of course.
There is the knowledge of the carpenter; but is that the sort of knowledge
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C Certainly not; that would only give a city the reputation of skill in
carpentering.
Then a city is not to be called wise because possessing a knowledge
which counsels for the best about wooden implements?
Certainly not.
Nor by reason of a knowledge which advises about brazen 118 pots, I
said, nor as possessing any other similar knowledge?
Not by reason of any of them, he said.
Nor yet by reason of a knowledge which cultivates the earth; that would
give the city the name of agricultural?
Yes.
Well, I said, and is there any knowledge in our
but about the whole State.
recently-founded State among any of the citizens which advises, D not
about any particular thing in the State, but about the whole, and considers
how a State can best deal with itself and with other States?
There certainly is.
And what is this knowledge, and among whom is it found? I asked.
It is the knowledge of the guardians, he replied, and is found among
those whom we were just now describing as perfect guardians.
And what is the name which the city derives from the possession of this
sort of knowledge?
The name of good in counsel and truly wise.
E The statesmen or guardians are the smallest of all classes in the State. And will there
be in our city more of these true guardians or more smiths?
The smiths, he replied, will be far more numerous.
Will not the guardians be the smallest of all the classes who receive a
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And so by reason of the smallest part or class, and of the knowledge
which resides in this presiding and ruling part of itself, the whole State,
being thus constituted according to 429 nature, will be wise; and this,
which has the only knowledge worthy to be called wisdom, has been
ordained by nature to be of all classes the least.
Most true.
Thus, then, I said, the nature and place in the State of one of the four
virtues has somehow or other been discovered.
And, in my humble opinion, very satisfactorily discovered, he replied.
Again, I said, there is no difficulty in seeing the nature of 119 courage,
and in what part that quality resides which gives the name of courageous to
the State.
How do you mean?
Why, I
B (2) The courage which makes the city courageous is found chiefly in the soldier.
said, every one who calls any State courageous or cowardly, will be
thinking of the part which fights and goes out to war on the State’s behalf.
No one, he replied, would ever think of any other.
The rest of the citizens may be courageous or may be cowardly, but their
courage or cowardice will not, as I conceive, have the effect of making the
city either the one or the other.
Certainly not.
It is the quality which preserves right opinion about things to be feared and not to be feared.
The city will be courageous in virtue of a portion of herself which preserves
under all circumstances that opinion C about the nature of things to be
feared and not to be feared in which our legislator educated them; and this
is what you term courage.
I should like to hear what you are saying once more, for I do not think
that I perfectly understand you.
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Of the opinion respecting things to be feared, what they are and of what
nature, which the law implants through education; and I mean by the words
‘under all circumstances’ D to intimate that in pleasure or in pain, or under
the influence of desire or fear, a man preserves, and does not lose this
opinion. Shall I give you an illustration?
If you please.
You know, I said, that dyers, when they want
Illustration from the art of dyeing.
to dye wool for making the true sea-purple, begin by selecting their white
colour first; this they prepare and dress with much care and pains, in order
that the white ground may take the purple hue in full perfection. The dyeing
then proceeds; and E whatever is dyed in this manner becomes a fast
colour, and no washing either with lyes or without them can take away the
bloom. But, when the ground has not been duly prepared, you will have
noticed how poor is the look either of purple or of any other colour.
Yes, he said; I know that they have a washed-out and ridiculous
appearance. 120
Our soldiers must take the dye of the laws. Then now, I said, you will understand
what our object was 430 in selecting our soldiers, and educating them in
music and gymnastic; we were contriving influences which would prepare
them to take the dye of the laws in perfection, and the colour of their
opinion about dangers and of every other opinion was to be indelibly fixed
by their nurture and training, not to be washed away by such potent lyes as
pleasure—mightier agent far in washing the soul than any soda or lye; B or
by sorrow, fear, and desire, the mightiest of all other solvents. And this sort
of universal saving power of true opinion in conformity with law about real
and false dangers I call and maintain to be courage, unless you disagree.
But I agree, he replied; for I suppose that you mean to exclude mere
uninstructed courage, such as that of a wild beast or of a slave—this, in
your opinion, is not the courage which the law ordains, and ought to have
another name.
C Most certainly.
Then I may infer courage to be such as you describe?
Why, yes, said I, you may, and if you add the words ‘of a citizen,’ you
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further, but at present we are seeking not for courage but justice; and for the
purpose of our enquiry we have said enough.
You are right, he replied.
Two other virtues, temperance and justice, which must be considered in their proper order. Two
virtues remain to be discovered in the State—first, D temperance, and then
justice which is the end of our search.
Very true.
Now, can we find justice without troubling ourselves about temperance?
I do not know how that can be accomplished, he said, nor do I desire that
justice should be brought to light and temperance lost sight of; and therefore
I wish that you would do me the favour of considering temperance first.
E Certainly, I replied, I should not be justified in refusing your request.
Then consider, he said.
Yes, I replied; I will; and as far as I can at present see, the virtue of
temperance has more of the nature of harmony and symphony than the
preceding.
How so? he asked. 121
Temperance, I replied, is the ordering or controlling of certain pleasures
and desires; this is curiously enough implied in the saying of ‘a man being
his own master;’ and other traces of the same notion may be found in
language.
No doubt, he said.
The temperate is master of himself, but the same person, when intemperate, is also the slave of
himself. There is something ridiculous in the expression ‘master of himself;’
431 for the master is also the servant and the servant the master; and in all
these modes of speaking the same person is denoted.
Certainly.
The meaning is, I believe, that in the human soul there is a better and also
a worse principle; and when the better has the worse under control, then a
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owing to evil education or association, the better principle, which is also the
smaller, is overwhelmed by the greater mass of the B worse—in this case
he is blamed and is called the slave of self and unprincipled.
Yes, there is reason in that.
And now, I said, look at our newly-created State, and there you will find
one of these two conditions realized; for the State, as you will acknowledge,
may be justly called master of itself, if the words ‘temperance’ and ‘self-
mastery’ truly express the rule of the better part over the worse.
Yes, he said, I see that what you say is true.
Let me further note that the manifold and complex pleasures C and
desires and pains are generally found in children and women and servants,
and in the freemen so called who are of the lowest and more numerous
class.
Certainly, he said.
Whereas the simple and moderate desires which follow reason, and are
under the guidance of mind and true opinion, are to be found only in a few,
and those the best born and best educated.
Very true.
The State which has the passions and desires of the many controlled by the few may be rightly
called temperate. These two, as you may perceive, have a place in our State;
D and the meaner desires of the many are held down by the virtuous
desires and wisdom of the few.
That I perceive, he said.
Then if there be any city which may be described as 122 master of its own
pleasures and desires, and master of itself, ours may claim such a
designation?
Certainly, he replied.
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And if there be any State in which rulers and subjects will E be agreed
as to the question who are to rule, that again will be our State?
Undoubtedly.
And the citizens being thus agreed among themselves, in which class will
temperance be found—in the rulers or in the subjects?
In both, as I should imagine, he replied.
Do you observe that we were not far wrong in our guess that temperance
was a sort of harmony?
Why so?
Why, because temperance is unlike
Temperance resides in the whole State.
courage and wisdom, each of which resides in a part only, the one making
the 432 State wise and the other valiant; not so temperance, which extends
to the whole, and runs through all the notes of the scale, and produces a
harmony of the weaker and the stronger and the middle class, whether you
suppose them to be stronger or weaker in wisdom or power or numbers or
wealth, or anything else. Most truly then may we deem temperance to be
the agreement of the naturally superior and inferior, as to the right to rule of
either, both in states and individuals.
B I entirely agree with you.
And so, I said, we may consider three out of the four virtues to have been
discovered in our State. The last of those qualities which make a state
virtuous must be justice, if we only knew what that was.
The inference is obvious.
The time then has arrived, Glaucon, when, like
Justice is not far off.
huntsmen, we should surround the cover, and look sharp that justice does
not steal away, and pass out of sight and escape us; for C beyond a doubt
she is somewhere in this country: watch therefore and strive to catch a sight
of her, and if you see her first, let me know.
Would that I could! but you should regard me rather as 123 a follower
who has just eyes enough to see what you show him—that is about as much
as I am good for.
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I will, but you must show me the way.
Here is no path, I said, and the wood is dark and perplexing; still we must
push on.
D Let us push on.
Here I saw something: Halloo! I said, I begin to perceive a track, and I
believe that the quarry will not escape.
Good news, he said.
Truly, I said, we are stupid fellows.
Why so?
Why, my good sir, at the beginning of our enquiry, ages ago, there was
justice tumbling out at our feet, and we never saw her; nothing could be
more ridiculous. Like people who go about looking for what they have in
their hands— E that was the way with us—we looked not at what we were
seeking, but at what was far off in the distance; and therefore, I suppose, we
missed her.
What do you mean?
I mean to say that in reality for a long time past we have been talking of
justice, and have failed to recognise her.
I grow impatient at the length of your exordium.
Well then,
433 We had already found her when we spoke of one man doing one thing only.
tell me, I said, whether I am right or not: You remember the original
principle which we were always laying down at the foundation of the State,
that one man should practise one thing only, the thing to which his nature
was best adapted;—now justice is this principle or a part of it.
Yes, we often said that one man should do one thing only.
Further, we affirmed that justice was doing one’s own business, and not
being a busybody; we said so again and again, B and many others have
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Then to do one’s own business in a certain way may be assumed to be
justice. Can you tell me whence I derive this inference?
I cannot, but I should like to be told.
Because I think that
From another point of view Justice is the residue of the three others.
this is the only virtue which remains in the State when the other virtues of
temperance and courage and wisdom are abstracted; and, that this is the
ultimate 124 cause and condition of the existence of all of them, and while
remaining in them is also their preservative; C and we were saying that if
the three were discovered by us, justice would be the fourth or remaining
one.
That follows of necessity.
If we are asked to determine which of these four qualities by its presence
contributes most to the excellence of the State, whether the agreement of
rulers and subjects, or the preservation in the soldiers of the opinion which
the law ordains about the true nature of dangers, or wisdom and
D watchfulness in the rulers, or whether this other which I am mentioning,
and which is found in children and women, slave and freeman, artisan,
ruler, subject,—the quality, I mean, of every one doing his own work, and
not being a busybody, would claim the palm—the question is not so easily
answered.
Certainly, he replied, there would be a difficulty in saying which.
Then the power of each individual in the State to do his own work
appears to compete with the other political virtues, wisdom, temperance,
courage.
Yes, he said.
And the virtue which enters into this competition is E justice?
Exactly.
Our idea is confirmed by the administration of justice in lawsuits. No man is to have what is not
his own. Let us look at the question from another point of view: Are not the
rulers in a State those to whom you would entrust the office of determining
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And are suits decided on any other ground but that a man may neither
take what is another’s, nor be deprived of what is his own?
Yes; that is their principle.
Which is a just principle?
Yes.
Then on this view also justice will be admitted to be the having and doing
what is a man’s own, and belongs to him?
434 Very true.
Illustration: Classes, like individuals, should not meddle with one another’s occupations.
Think, now, and say whether you agree with me or not. Suppose a carpenter
to be doing the business of a cobbler, 125 or a cobbler of a carpenter; and
suppose them to exchange their implements or their duties, or the same
person to be doing the work of both, or whatever be the change; do you
think that any great harm would result to the State?
Not much.
But when the cobbler or any other man whom nature B designed to be a
trader, having his heart lifted up by wealth or strength or the number of his
followers, or any like advantage, attempts to force his way into the class of
warriors, or a warrior into that of legislators and guardians, for which he is
unfitted, and either to take the implements or the duties of the other; or
when one man is trader, legislator, and warrior all in one, then I think you
will agree with me in saying that this interchange and this meddling of one
with another is the ruin of the State.
Most true.
Seeing then, I said, that there are three distinct classes, any meddling of
one with another, or the change of one into C another, is the greatest harm
to the State, and may be most justly termed evil-doing?
Precisely.
And the greatest degree of evil-doing to one’s own city would be termed
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This then is injustice; and on the other hand when the trader, the
auxiliary, and the guardian each do their own business, that is justice, and
will make the city just.
D I agree with you.
We will not, I
From the larger example of the State we will now return to the individual.
said, be over-positive as yet; but if, on trial, this conception of justice be
verified in the individual as well as in the State, there will be no longer any
room for doubt; if it be not verified, we must have a fresh enquiry. First let
us complete the old investigation, which we began, as you remember, under
the impression that, if we could previously examine justice on the larger
scale, there would be less difficulty in discerning her in the individual. That
larger E example appeared to be the State, and accordingly we constructed
as good a one as we could, knowing well that in the good State justice
would be found. Let the discovery which we made be now applied to the
individual—if they agree, 126 we shall be satisfied; or, if there be a
difference in the individual, we will come back to the State and have
another 435 trial of the theory. The friction of the two when rubbed together
may possibly strike a light in which justice will shine forth, and the vision
which is then revealed we will fix in our souls.
That will be in regular course; let us do as you say.
I proceeded to ask: When two things, a greater and less, are called by the
same name, are they like or unlike in so far as they are called the same?
Like, he replied.
B The just man then, if we regard the idea of justice only, will be like
the just State?
He will.
And a State was thought by us to be just when the three classes in the
State severally did their own business; and also thought to be temperate and
valiant and wise by reason of certain other affections and qualities of these
same classes?
True, he said.
And so of the individual; we may assume that he has the C same three
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rightly described in the same terms, because he is affected in the same
manner?
Certainly, he said.
Once more then,
How can we decide whether or no the soul has three distinct principles?
O my friend, we have alighted upon an easy question—whether the soul has
these three principles or not?
An easy question! Nay, rather, Socrates, the proverb holds that hard is the
good.
Very true, I said; and I do not think that the method D which we are
employing is at all adequate to the accurate solution of this question; Our
method is inadequate, and for a better and longer one we have not at present time. the true
method is another and a longer one. Still we may arrive at a solution not
below the level of the previous enquiry.
May we not be satisfied with that? he said;—under the circumstances, I
am quite content.
I too, I replied, shall be extremely well satisfied.
Then faint not in pursuing the speculation, he said.
E Must we not acknowledge, I said, that in each of us there 127 are the
same principles and habits which there are in the State; and that from the
individual they pass into the State?—how else can they come there? Take
the quality of passion or spirit;—it would be ridiculous to imagine that this
quality, when found in States, is not derived from the individuals who are
supposed to possess it, e.g. the Thracians, Scythians, and in general the
northern nations; and the same may be said of the love of knowledge, which
is the special characteristic of our part of the world, or of the 436 love of
money, which may, with equal truth, be attributed to the Phoenicians and
Egyptians.
Exactly so, he said.
There is no difficulty in understanding this.
None whatever.
But the question is
A digression in which an attempt is made to attain logical clearness.
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or one; whether, that is to say, we learn with one part of our nature, are
angry with another, and with a third part desire the satisfaction B of our
natural appetites; or whether the whole soul comes into play in each sort of
action—to determine that is the difficulty.
Yes, he said; there lies the difficulty.
Then let us now try and determine whether they are the same or different.
How can we? he asked.
I
The criterion of truth: Nothing can be and not be at the same time in the same relation.
replied as follows: The same thing clearly cannot act or be acted upon in the
same part or in relation to the same thing at the same time, in contrary
ways; and therefore whenever this contradiction occurs in things apparently
the same, we know that they are really not the same, but C different.
Good.
For example, I said, can the same thing be at rest and in motion at the
same time in the same part?
Impossible.
Still, I said, let us have a more precise statement of terms, lest we should
hereafter fall out by the way. Imagine the case of a man who is standing and
also moving his hands and his head, and suppose a person to say that one
and the same person is in motion and at rest at the same moment128—to
such a mode of speech we should object, and should D rather say that one
part of him is in motion while another is at rest.
Very true.
And suppose the objector to
Anticipation of objections to this ‘law of thought.’
refine still further, and to draw the nice distinction that not only parts of
tops, but whole tops, when they spin round with their pegs fixed on the
spot, are at rest and in motion at the same time (and he may say the same of
anything which revolves in the same spot), his objection would not be
admitted by us, because E in such cases things are not at rest and in motion
in the same parts of themselves; we should rather say that they have both an
axis and a circumference, and that the axis stands still, for there is no
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But if, while revolving, the axis inclines either to the right or left, forwards
or backwards, then in no point of view can they be at rest.
That is the correct mode of describing them, he replied.
Then none of these objections will confuse us, or incline us to believe
that the same thing at the same time, in the 437 same part or in relation to
the same thing, can act or be acted upon in contrary ways.
Certainly not, according to my way of thinking.
Yet, I said, that we may not be compelled to examine all such objections,
and prove at length that they are untrue, let us assume their absurdity, and
go forward on the understanding that hereafter, if this assumption turn out
to be untrue, all the consequences which follow shall be withdrawn.
Yes, he said, that will be the best way.
Well, I said, would you not allow that
B Likes and dislikes exist in many forms.
assent and dissent, desire and aversion, attraction and repulsion, are all of
them opposites, whether they are regarded as active or passive (for that
makes no difference in the fact of their opposition)?
Yes, he said, they are opposites.
Well, I said, and hunger and thirst, and the desires in general, and again
willing and wishing,—all these you would C refer to the classes already
mentioned. You would say—would you not?—that the soul of him who
desires is seeking 129 after the object of his desire; or that he is drawing to
himself the thing which he wishes to possess: or again, when a person wants
anything to be given him, his mind, longing for the realization of his desire,
intimates his wish to have it by a nod of assent, as if he had been asked a
question?
Very true.
And what would you say of unwillingness and dislike and the absence of
desire; should not these be referred to the opposite class of repulsion and
rejection?
D Certainly.
Admitting this to be true of desire generally, let us suppose a particular
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termed, which are the most obvious of them?
Let us take that class, he said.
The object of one is food, and of the other drink?
Yes.
There may be simple thirst or qualified thirst, having respectively a simple or a qualified object.
And here comes the point: is not thirst the desire which the soul has of
drink, and of drink only; not of drink qualified by anything else; for
example, warm or cold, or much or little, or, in a word, drink of any
particular sort: but if the E thirst be accompanied by heat, then the desire is
of cold drink; or, if accompanied by cold, then of warm drink; or, if the
thirst be excessive, then the drink which is desired will be excessive; or, if
not great, the quantity of drink will also be small: but thirst pure and simple
will desire drink pure and simple, which is the natural satisfaction of thirst,
as food is of hunger?
Yes, he said; the simple desire is, as you say, in every case of the simple
object, and the qualified desire of the qualified object.
But
438 Exception: The term good expresses, not a particular, but an universal relation.
here a confusion may arise; and I should wish to guard against an opponent
starting up and saying that no man desires drink only, but good drink, or
food only, but good food; for good is the universal object of desire, and
thirst being a desire, will necessarily be thirst after good drink; and the same
is true of every other desire.
Yes, he replied, the opponent might have something to say.
Nevertheless I should still maintain, that of relatives some 130 B have a
quality attached to either term of the relation; others are simple and have
their correlatives simple.
I do not know what you mean.
Illustration of the argument from the use of language about correlative terms. Well, you
know of course that the greater is relative to the less?
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Yes.
And the sometime greater to the sometime less, and the greater that is to
be to the less that is to be?
Certainly, he said.
C And so of more and less, and of other correlative terms, such as the
double and the half, or again, the heavier and the lighter, the swifter and the
slower; and of hot and cold, and of any other relatives;—is not this true of
all of them?
Yes.
And does not the same principle hold in the sciences? The object of
science is knowledge (assuming that to be the true definition), but the object
of a particular science is a D particular kind of knowledge; I mean, for
example, that the science of house-building is a kind of knowledge which is
defined and distinguished from other kinds and is therefore termed
architecture.
Certainly.
Because it has a particular quality which no other has?
Yes.
And it has this particular quality because it has an object of a particular
kind; and this is true of the other arts and sciences?
Yes.
Now, then, if I have made myself clear, you will understand
Recapitulation
my original meaning in what I said about relatives. My meaning was, that if
one term of a relation is taken alone, the other is taken alone; if one term is
qualified, the other is also qualified. E Anticipation of a possible confusion. I do not
mean to say that relatives may not be disparate, or that the science of health
is healthy, or of disease necessarily diseased, or that the sciences of good
and evil are therefore good and evil; but only that, when the term science is
no longer used absolutely, but has a qualified object which in this case is the
nature of health and disease, 131 it becomes defined, and is hence called not
merely science, but the science of medicine.
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439 Would you not say that thirst is one of these essentially relative
terms, having clearly a relation—
Yes, thirst is relative to drink.
And a certain kind of thirst is relative to a certain kind of drink; but thirst
taken alone is neither of much nor little, nor of good nor bad, nor of any
particular kind of drink, but of drink only?
Certainly.
Then the soul of the thirsty one, in so far as he is thirsty, B desires only
drink; for this he yearns and tries to obtain it?
That is plain.
And if you suppose something which pulls a thirsty
The law of contradiction.
soul away from drink, that must be different from the thirsty principle
which draws him like a beast to drink; for, as we were saying, the same
thing cannot at the same time with the same part of itself act in contrary
ways about the same.
Impossible.
No more than you can say that the hands of the archer push and pull the
bow at the same time, but what you say is that one hand pushes and the
other pulls.
C Exactly so, he replied.
And might a man be thirsty, and yet unwilling to drink?
Yes, he said, it constantly happens.
And in such a case what is one to say? Would you not say that there was
something in the soul bidding a man to drink, and something else
forbidding him, which is other and stronger than the principle which bids
him?
I should say so.
And the forbidding principle is derived
D The opposition of desire and reason.
from reason, and that which bids and attracts proceeds from passion and
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Clearly.
Then we may fairly assume that they are two, and that they differ from
one another; the one with which a man reasons, we may call the rational
principle of the soul, the other, with which he loves and hungers and thirsts
and feels the 132 flutterings of any other desire, may be termed the irrational
or appetitive, the ally of sundry pleasures and satisfactions?
E Yes, he said, we may fairly assume them to be different.
Then let us finally determine that there are two principles existing in the
soul. And what of passion, or spirit? Is it a third, or akin to one of the
preceding?
I should be inclined to say—akin to desire.
Well, I said, there is a
The third principle of spirit or passion illustrated by an example.
story which I remember to have heard, and in which I put faith. The story is,
that Leontius, the son of Aglaion, coming up one day from the Piraeus,
under the north wall on the outside, observed some dead bodies lying on the
ground at the place of execution. He felt a desire to see them, and also a
dread and abhorrence of them; 440 for a time he struggled and covered his
eyes, but at length the desire got the better of him; and forcing them open,
he ran up to the dead bodies, saying, Look, ye wretches, take your fill of the
fair sight.
I have heard the story myself, he said.
The moral of the tale is, that anger at times goes to war with desire, as
though they were two distinct things.
Yes; that is the meaning, he said.
And are there not many other cases in which we observe B that when a
man’s desires violently prevail over his reason, he reviles himself, and is
angry at the violence within him, and that in this struggle, which is like the
struggle of factions in a State, his spirit is on the side of his reason;— Passion
never takes part with desire against reason. but for the passionate or spirited element to
take part with the desires when reason decides that she should not be
opposed3, is a sort of thing which I believe that you never observed
occurring in yourself, nor, as I should imagine, in any one else?
3 Reading μὴ δεῖν ἀντιπράτειν, without a comma after δεῖν.

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Certainly not.
C Righteous indignation never felt by a person of noble character when he deservedly suffers.
Suppose that a man thinks he has done a wrong to another, the nobler he is
the less able is he to feel indignant at any suffering, such as hunger, or cold,
or any other pain which the injured person may inflict upon him—these he
deems to be just, and, as I say, his anger refuses to be excited by them.
True, he said.
But when he thinks that he is the sufferer of the wrong, 133 then he boils
and chafes, and is on the side of what he believes to be justice; and because
he suffers hunger or cold D or other pain he is only the more determined to
persevere and conquer. His noble spirit will not be quelled until he either
slays or is slain; or until he hears the voice of the shepherd, that is, reason,
bidding his dog bark no more.
The illustration is perfect, he replied; and in our State, as we were saying,
the auxiliaries were to be dogs, and to hear the voice of the rulers, who are
their shepherds.
I perceive, I said, that you quite understand me; there is, however, a
further point which I wish you to consider.
E What point?
You remember that passion or spirit appeared at first sight to be a kind of
desire, but now we should say quite the contrary; for in the conflict of the
soul spirit is arrayed on the side of the rational principle.
Most assuredly.
But a further question arises:
Not two, but three principles in the soul, as in the State.
Is passion different from reason also, or only a kind of reason; in which
latter case, instead of three principles in the soul, there will only be two,
441 the rational and the concupiscent; or rather, as the State was composed
of three classes, traders, auxiliaries, counsellors, so may there not be in the
individual soul a third element which is passion or spirit, and when not
corrupted by bad education is the natural auxiliary of reason?
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Yes, I replied, if passion, which has already been shown to be different
from desire, turn out also to be different from reason.
But that is easily proved:—We may observe even in young children that
they are full of spirit almost as soon as they are born, whereas some of them
never seem to attain to B the use of reason, and most of them late enough.
Excellent, I said, and you may see passion equally in brute animals,
which is a further proof of the truth of what you are saying. Appeal to
Homer. And we may once more appeal to the words of Homer, which have
been already quoted by us,

‘He smote his breast, and thus rebuked his soul4,’ 134

C for in this verse Homer has clearly supposed the power which reasons
about the better and worse to be different from the unreasoning anger which
is rebuked by it.
4 Od. xx. 17, quoted supra, III. 390 D.

Very true, he said.
The conclusion that the same three principles exist both in the State and in the individual applied
to each of them. And so, after much tossing, we have reached land, and are
fairly agreed that the same principles which exist in the State exist also in
the individual, and that they are three in number.
Exactly.
Must we not then infer that the individual is wise in the same way, and in
virtue of the same quality which makes the State wise?
Certainly.
D Also that the same quality which constitutes courage in the State
constitutes courage in the individual, and that both the State and the
individual bear the same relation to all the other virtues?
Assuredly.
And the individual will be acknowledged by us to be just in the same way
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That follows, of course.
We cannot but remember that the justice of the State E consisted in each
of the three classes doing the work of its own class?
We are not very likely to have forgotten, he said.
We must recollect that the individual in whom the several qualities of his
nature do their own work will be just, and will do his own work?
Yes, he said, we must remember that too.
And ought not the rational principle, which is wise, and has the care of
the whole soul, to rule, and the passionate or spirited principle to be the
subject and ally?
Certainly.
Music and gymnastic will harmonize passion and reason. These two combined will control
desire, And, as we were saying, the united influence of music and gymnastic
will bring them into accord, nerving and sustaining the reason with noble
words and lessons, and moderating and 442 soothing and civilizing the
wildness of passion by harmony and rhythm?
Quite true, he said.
And these two, thus nurtured and educated, and having 135 learned truly
to know their own functions, will rule5 over the concupiscent, which in each
of us is the largest part of the soul and by nature most insatiable of gain;
over this they will keep guard, lest, waxing great and strong with the fulness
of bodily pleasures, as they are termed, the B concupiscent soul, no longer
confined to her own sphere, should attempt to enslave and rule those who
are not her natural-born subjects, and overturn the whole life of man?
5 Reading προστατήσετον with Bekker; or, if the reading προστήσετον, which is
found in the MSS., be adopted, then the nominative must be supplied from the
previous sentence: ‘Music and gymnastic will place in authority over …’ This is
very awkward, and the awkwardness is increased by the necessity of changing
the subject at τηρήσετον.

Very true, he said.
Both together will they not be
and will be the best defenders both of body and soul.
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from without; the one counselling, and the other fighting under his leader,
and courageously executing his commands and counsels?
True.
The courageous.And he is to be deemed courageous whose spirit retains
C in pleasure and in pain the commands of reason about what he ought or
ought not to fear?
Right, he replied.
The wise. And him we call wise who has in him that little part which rules,
and which proclaims these commands; that part too being supposed to have
a knowledge of what is for the interest of each of the three parts and of the
whole?
Assuredly.
And would you not say that he is temperate who has these
The temperate.
same elements in friendly harmony, in whom the one ruling principle of
reason, and the two subject ones of spirit and D desire are equally agreed
that reason ought to rule, and do not rebel?
Certainly, he said, that is the true account of temperance whether in the
State or individual.
And surely, I said, we have explained again and again how and
The just.
by virtue of what quality a man will be just.
That is very certain.
And is justice dimmer in the individual, and is her form different, or is
she the same which we found her to be in the State? 136
There is no difference in my opinion, he said.
The nature of justice illustrated by commonplace instances. Because, if any doubt is
still lingering in our minds, a few E commonplace instances will satisfy us
of the truth of what I am saying.
What sort of instances do you mean?
If the case is put to us, must we not admit that the just 443 State, or the
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the unjust to make away with a deposit of gold or silver? Would any one
deny this?
No one, he replied.
Will the just man or citizen ever be guilty of sacrilege or theft, or
treachery either to his friends or to his country?
Never.
Neither will he ever break faith where there have been oaths or
agreements?
Impossible.
No one will be less likely to commit adultery, or to dishonour his father
and mother, or to fail in his religious duties?
No one.
B And the reason is that each part of him is doing its own business,
whether in ruling or being ruled?
Exactly so.
Are you satisfied then that the quality which makes such men and such
states is justice, or do you hope to discover some other?
Not I, indeed.
Then our dream
We have realized the hope entertained in the first construction of the State.
has been realized; and the suspicion which we entertained at the beginning
of our work of construction, C that some divine power must have
conducted us to a primary form of justice, has now been verified?
Yes, certainly.
And the division of labour which required the carpenter and the
shoemaker and the rest of the citizens to be doing each his own business,
and not another’s, was a shadow of justice, and for that reason it was of
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But in reality justice was such as we were
The three principles harmonize in one.
describing, being concerned however, not with the outward man, but
D with the inward, which is the true self and concernment of 137 man: for
the just man does not permit the several elements within him to interfere
with one another, or any of them to do the work of others,—he sets in order
his own inner life, and is his own master and his own law, and at peace with
himself; The harmony of human life. and when he has bound together the three
principles within him, which may be compared to the higher, lower, and
middle notes of the scale, and the intermediate intervals—when he has
bound all these together, and is no longer E many, but has become one
entirely temperate and perfectly adjusted nature, then he proceeds to act, if
he has to act, whether in a matter of property, or in the treatment of the
body, or in some affair of politics or private business; always thinking and
calling that which preserves and co-operates with this harmonious
condition, just and good action, and the knowledge which presides over it,
wisdom, 444 and that which at any time impairs this condition, he will call
unjust action, and the opinion which presides over it ignorance.
You have said the exact truth, Socrates.
Very good; and if we were to affirm that we had discovered the just man
and the just State, and the nature of justice in each of them, we should not
be telling a falsehood?
Most certainly not.
May we say so, then?
Let us say so.
And now, I said, injustice has to be considered.
Clearly.
Must not injustice be a strife which arises
B Injustice the opposite of justice.
among the three principles—a meddlesomeness, and interference, and rising
up of a part of the soul against the whole, an assertion of unlawful authority,
which is made by a rebellious subject against a true prince, of whom he is
the natural vassal,—what is all this confusion and delusion but injustice,
and intemperance and cowardice and ignorance, and every form of vice?
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C And if the nature of justice and injustice be known, then the meaning
of acting unjustly and being unjust, or, again, of acting justly, will also be
perfectly clear?
What do you mean? he said.
Why, I said, they are like disease and health; being
Analogy of body and soul.
in the soul just what disease and health are in the body. 138
How so? he said.
Why, I said, that which is healthy causes health, and that which is
unhealthy causes disease.
Yes.
D And just actions cause justice, and unjust actions cause injustice?
That is certain.
Health : disease :: justice : injustice. And the creation of health is the institution
of a natural order and government of one by another in the parts of the
body; and the creation of disease is the production of a state of things at
variance with this natural order?
True.
And is not the creation of justice the institution of a natural order and
government of one by another in the parts of the soul, and the creation of
injustice the production of a state of things at variance with the natural
order?
Exactly so, he said.
Then virtue is the health and beauty and well-being of the E soul, and
vice the disease and weakness and deformity of the same?
True.
And do not good practices lead to virtue, and evil practices to vice?
Assuredly.
445 The old question, whether the just or the unjust is the happier, has become ridiculous.
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has not been answered: Which is the more profitable, to be just and act
justly and practise virtue, whether seen or unseen of gods and men, or to be
unjust and act unjustly, if only unpunished and unreformed?
In my judgment, Socrates, the question has now become ridiculous. We
know that, when the bodily constitution is gone, life is no longer endurable,
though pampered with all kinds of meats and drinks, and having all wealth
and all power; and shall we be told that when the very essence of the vital
principle is undermined and corrupted, life is B still worth having to a man,
if only he be allowed to do whatever he likes with the single exception that
he is not to acquire justice and virtue, or to escape from injustice and vice;
assuming them both to be such as we have described?
Yes, I said, the question is, as you say, ridiculous. Still, 139 as we are near
the spot at which we may see the truth in the clearest manner with our own
eyes, let us not faint by the way.
Certainly not, he replied.
C Come up hither, I said, and behold the various forms of vice, those of
them, I mean, which are worth looking at.
I am following you, he replied: proceed.
I said, The argument seems to have reached a height from which, as from
some tower of speculation, a man may look down and see that virtue is one,
but that the forms of vice are innumerable; there being four special ones
which are deserving of note.
What do you mean? he said.
I mean, I replied, that there appear to be
As many forms of the soul as of the State.
as many forms of the soul as there are distinct forms of the State.
How many?
D There are five of the State, and five of the soul, I said.
What are they?
The first, I said, is that which we have been describing, and which may
be said to have two names, monarchy and aristocracy, accordingly as rule is
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True, he replied.
But I regard the two names as describing one form only; E for whether
the government is in the hands of one or many, if the governors have been
trained in the manner which we have supposed, the fundamental laws of the
State will be maintained.
That is true, he replied.

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BOOK V.

Steph.
449 Republic V.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON, ADEIMANTUS.
SUCH is the good and true City or State, and
The community of women and children.
the good and true man is of the same pattern; and if this is right every other
is wrong; and the evil is one which affects not only the ordering of the
State, but also the regulation of the individual soul, and is exhibited in four
forms.
What are they? he said.
BI was proceeding to tell the order in which the four evil forms
appeared to me to succeed one another, when Polemarchus, who was sitting
a little way off, just beyond Adeimantus, began to whisper to him:
stretching forth his hand, he took hold of the upper part of his coat by the
shoulder, and drew him towards him, leaning forward himself so as to be
quite close and saying something in his ear, of which I only caught the
words, ‘Shall we let him off, or what shall we do?’
Certainly not, said Adeimantus, raising his voice.
Who is it, I said, whom you are refusing to let off?
You, he said.
C I repeated1, Why am I especially not to be let off?
1 Reading ἔτι ἐγὼ εἶπον.

The saying ‘Friends have all things in common’ is an insufficient solution of the problem.
Why, he said, we think that you are lazy, and mean to cheat us out of a
whole chapter which is a very important part of the story; and you fancy
that we shall not notice your airy way of proceeding; as if it were self-
evident to everybody, that in the matter of women and children ‘friends
have all things in common.’
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Yes, he said; but what is right in this particular case, like everything else,
requires to be explained; for community may be of many kinds. Please,
therefore, to say what sort D of community you mean. We have been long
141 expecting that you would tell us something about the family life of your
citizens—how they will bring children into the world, and rear them when
they have arrived, and, in general, what is the nature of this community of
women and children—for we are of opinion that the right or wrong
management of such matters will have a great and paramount influence on
the State for good or for evil. And now, since the question is still
undetermined, and you are taking in hand another 450 State, we have
resolved, as you heard, not to let you go until you give an account of all
this.
To that resolution, said Glaucon, you may regard me as saying Agreed.
SOCRATES, THRASYMACHUS.And without more ado, said Thrasymachus, you
may consider us all to be equally agreed.
I said, You know not what you are doing in thus assailing me: What an
argument are you raising about the State! The feigned surprise of Socrates. Just as I
thought that I had finished, and was only too glad that I had laid this
question to sleep, and was reflecting how fortunate I was in your acceptance
of what I then said, you ask me to begin again at the very foundation,
ignorant of B what a hornet’s nest of words you are stirring. Now I foresaw
this gathering trouble, and avoided it.
For what purpose do you conceive that we
The good-humour of Thrasymachus.
have come here, said Thrasymachus,—to look for gold, or to hear
discourse?
Yes, but discourse should have a limit.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON. Yes, Socrates, said Glaucon, and the whole of life is the
only limit which wise men assign to the hearing of such discourses. But
never mind about us; take heart yourself C and answer the question in
your own way: What sort of community of women and children is this
which is to prevail among our guardians? and how shall we manage the
period between birth and education, which seems to require the greatest
care? Tell us how these things will be.
Yes, my simple friend, but the answer is the reverse of easy; many more
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practicability of what is said may be doubted; and looked at in another point
of view, whether the scheme, if ever so practicable, would be for the best, is
also doubtful. Hence I feel a reluctance to approach 142 the D subject, lest
our aspiration, my dear friend, should turn out to be a dream only.
Fear not, he replied, for your audience will not be hard upon you; they
are not sceptical or hostile.
I said: My good friend, I suppose that you mean to encourage me by
these words.
Yes, he said.
Then let me tell you that you
A friendly audience is more dangerous than a hostile one.
are doing just the reverse; the encouragement which you offer would have
been all very well had I myself believed that I knew what I was talking
about: to declare the truth about matters of high E interest which a man
honours and loves among wise men who love him need occasion no fear or
faltering in his mind; but to carry on an argument when you are yourself
only 451 a hesitating enquirer, which is my condition, is a dangerous and
slippery thing; and the danger is not that I shall be laughed at (of which the
fear would be childish), but that I shall miss the truth where I have most
need to be sure of my footing, and drag my friends after me in my fall. And
I pray Nemesis not to visit upon me the words which I am going to utter.
For I do indeed believe that to be an involuntary homicide is a less crime
than to be a deceiver about beauty or goodness or justice in the matter of
laws2. And that is a risk which I would rather run among enemies than
among friends, and therefore you do well to encourage B me3.
2 Or inserting καὶ before νομίμων: ‘a deceiver about beauty or goodness or
principles of justice or law.’

3 Reading ὥστε εὖ με παραμυθεῖ.

Glaucon laughed and said: Well then, Socrates, in case you and your
argument do us any serious injury you shall be acquitted beforehand of the
homicide, and shall not be held to be a deceiver; take courage then and
speak.
Well, I said, the law says that when a man is acquitted he is free from
guilt, and what holds at law may hold in argument.
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Well, I replied, I suppose that I must retrace my steps C and say what I
perhaps ought to have said before in the proper place. The part of the men
has been played out, and now properly enough comes the turn of the
women. Of them I will proceed to speak, and the more readily since I am
invited by you. 143
For men born and educated like our citizens, the only way, in my opinion,
of arriving at a right conclusion about the possession and use of women and
children is to follow the path on which we originally started, when we said
that the men were to be the guardians and watchdogs of the herd.
True.
D Let us further suppose the birth and education of our women to be
subject to similar or nearly similar regulations; then we shall see whether
the result accords with our design.
What do you mean?
What I mean
No distinction among the animals such as is made between men and women.
may be put into the form of a question, I said: Are dogs divided into hes and
shes, or do they both share equally in hunting and in keeping watch and in
the other duties of dogs? or do we entrust to the males the entire and
exclusive care of the flocks, while we leave the females at home, under the
idea that the bearing and suckling their puppies is labour enough for them?
E No, he said, they share alike; the only difference between them is that
the males are stronger and the females weaker.
But can you use different animals for the same purpose, unless they are
bred and fed in the same way?
You cannot.
Then, if women are to have the same duties as men, they 452 must have
the same nurture and education?
Yes.
The education which was assigned to the men was music and gymnastic.
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Then
Women must be taught music, gymnastic, and military exercises equally with men.
women must be taught music and gymnastic and also the art of war, which
they must practise like the men?
That is the inference, I suppose.
I should rather expect, I said, that several of our proposals, if they are
carried out, being unusual, may appear ridiculous.
No doubt of it.
Yes, and the most ridiculous thing of all will be the sight of women naked
in the palaestra, exercising with the men, B especially when they are no
longer young; they certainly will not be a vision of beauty, any more than
the enthusiastic 144 old men who in spite of wrinkles and ugliness continue
to frequent the gymnasia.
Yes, indeed, he said: according to present notions the proposal would be
thought ridiculous.
But then, I said, as we have determined to speak our minds, we must not
fear the jests of the wits which will be directed against this sort of
innovation; how they will talk of women’s C attainments both in music and
gymnastic, and above all about their wearing armour and riding upon
horseback!
Very true, he replied.
Yet having
Convention should not be permitted to stand in the way of a higher good.
begun we must go forward to the rough places of the law; at the same time
begging of these gentlemen for once in their life to be serious. Not long ago,
as we shall remind them, the Hellenes were of the opinion, which is still
generally received among the barbarians, that the sight of a naked man was
ridiculous and improper; and when first the Cretans and then the
Lacedaemonians introduced the D custom, the wits of that day might
equally have ridiculed the innovation.
No doubt.
But when experience showed that to let all things be uncovered was far
better than to cover them up, and the ludicrous effect to the outward eye
vanished before the better principle which reason asserted, then the man
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E sight but that of folly and vice, or seriously inclines to weigh the
beautiful by any other standard but that of the good4.
4 Reading with Paris A. καὶ καλοῦ …

Very true, he replied.
First, then, whether the question is to be put in jest or in 453 earnest, let
us come to an understanding about the nature of woman: Is she capable of
sharing either wholly or partially in the actions of men, or not at all? And is
the art of war one of those arts in which she can or can not share? That will
be the best way of commencing the enquiry, and will probably lead to the
fairest conclusion.
That will be much the best way.
Shall we take the other side first and begin by arguing against ourselves;
in this manner the adversary’s position will not be undefended. 145
B Why not? he said.
Objection: We were saying that every one should do his own work: Have not women and men
severally a work of their own? Then let us put a speech into the mouths of our
opponents. They will say: ‘Socrates and Glaucon, no adversary need
convict you, for you yourselves, at the first foundation of the State,
admitted the principle that everybody was to do the one work suited to his
own nature.’ And certainly, if I am not mistaken, such an admission was
made by us. ‘And do not the natures of men and women differ very much
indeed?’ And we shall reply: Of course they do. Then we shall be asked,
‘Whether the tasks assigned to men and to women should not be different,
and such as are agreeable to their C different natures?’ Certainly they
should. ‘But if so, have you not fallen into a serious inconsistency in saying
that men and women, whose natures are so entirely different, ought to
perform the same actions?’—What defence will you make for us, my good
Sir, against any one who offers these objections?
That is not an easy question to answer when asked suddenly; and I shall
and I do beg of you to draw out the case on our side.
These are the objections, Glaucon, and there are many D others of a like
kind, which I foresaw long ago; they made me afraid and reluctant to take
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By Zeus, he said, the problem to be solved is anything but easy.
Why yes, I said, but the fact is that when a man is out of his depth,
whether he has fallen into a little swimming bath or into mid ocean, he has
to swim all the same.
Very true.
And must not we swim and try to reach the shore: we will hope that
Arion’s dolphin or some other miraculous help may save us?
E I suppose so, he said.
Well then, let us see if any way of escape can be found. We
acknowledged—did we not? that different natures ought to have different
pursuits, and that men’s and women’s natures are different. And now what
are we saying?—that different natures ought to have the same pursuits,—
this is the inconsistency which is charged upon us. 146
Precisely.
454 Verily, Glaucon, I said, glorious is the power of the art of
contradiction!
Why do you say so?
Because I think that many
The seeming inconsistency arises out of a verbal opposition.
a man falls into the practice against his will. When he thinks that he is
reasoning he is really disputing, just because he cannot define and divide,
and so know that of which he is speaking; and he will pursue a merely
verbal opposition in the spirit of contention and not of fair discussion.
Yes, he replied, such is very often the case; but what has that to do with
us and our argument?
B A great deal; for there is certainly a danger of our getting
unintentionally into a verbal opposition.
In what way?
When we assigned to different natures different pursuits, we meant only those differences of
nature which affected the pursuits. Why we valiantly and pugnaciously insist upon
the verbal truth, that different natures ought to have different pursuits, but
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of nature, or why we distinguished them when we assigned different
pursuits to different natures and the same to the same natures.
Why, no, he said, that was never considered by us.
C I said: Suppose that by way of illustration we were to ask the question
whether there is not an opposition in nature between bald men and hairy
men; and if this is admitted by us, then, if bald men are cobblers, we should
forbid the hairy men to be cobblers, and conversely?
That would be a jest, he said.
Yes, I said, a jest; and why? because we never meant when we
constructed the State, that the opposition of natures should extend to every
difference, but only to those D differences which affected the pursuit in
which the individual is engaged; we should have argued, for example, that a
physician and one who is in mind a physician5 may be said to have the
same nature.
5 Reading ἰατρὸν μὲν καὶ ἰατρικὸν τὴν ψυχὴν ὄντα.

True.
Whereas the physician and the carpenter have different natures?
Certainly. 147
And if, I said, the male and female sex appear to differ in their fitness for
any art or pursuit, we should say that such pursuit or art ought to be
assigned to one or the other of them; but if the difference consists only in
women bearing E and men begetting children, this does not amount to a
proof that a woman differs from a man in respect of the sort of education
she should receive; and we shall therefore continue to maintain that our
guardians and their wives ought to have the same pursuits.
Very true, he said.
Next, we shall ask our opponent how, in reference to any 455 of the
pursuits or arts of civic life, the nature of a woman differs from that of a
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And perhaps he, like yourself, will reply that to give a sufficient answer
on the instant is not easy; but after a little reflection there is no difficulty.
Yes, perhaps.
Suppose then that we invite him to accompany us in the B argument, and
then we may hope to show him that there is nothing peculiar in the
constitution of women which would affect them in the administration of the
State.
By all means.
The same natural gifts are found in both sexes, but they are possessed in a higher degree by men
than women. Let us say to him: Come now, and we will ask you a question:—
when you spoke of a nature gifted or not gifted in any respect, did you mean
to say that one man will acquire a thing easily, another with difficulty; a
little learning will lead the one to discover a great deal; whereas the other,
after much study and application, no sooner learns than he forgets; or again,
did you mean, that the one has a body which is a good servant to his mind,
while the body of the other is a hindrance to him?—would not these be the
sort C of differences which distinguish the man gifted by nature from the
one who is ungifted?
No one will deny that.
And can you mention any pursuit of mankind in which the male sex has
not all these gifts and qualities in a higher degree than the female? Need I
waste time in speaking of the art of weaving, and the management of
pancakes and preserves, in which womankind does really appear to be 148
great, and in which for her to be beaten by a man is of all D things the most
absurd?
You are quite right, he replied, in maintaining the general inferiority of
the female sex: although many women are in many things superior to many
men, yet on the whole what you say is true.
And if so, my friend, I said, there is no special faculty of administration
in a state which a woman has because she is a woman, or which a man has
by virtue of his sex, but the gifts of nature are alike diffused in both; all the
pursuits of E men are the pursuits of women also, but in all of them a
woman is inferior to a man.
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Then are
Men and women are to be governed by the same laws and to have the same pursuits.
we to impose all our enactments on men and none of them on women?
That will never do.
456 One woman has a gift of healing, another not; one is a musician,
and another has no music in her nature?
Very true.
And one woman has a turn for gymnastic and military exercises, and
another is unwarlike and hates gymnastics?
Certainly.
And one woman is a philosopher, and another is an enemy of philosophy;
one has spirit, and another is without spirit?
That is also true.
Then one woman will have the temper of a guardian, and another not.
Was not the selection of the male guardians determined by differences of
this sort?
Yes.
Men and women alike possess the qualities which make a guardian; they
differ only in their comparative strength or weakness.
Obviously.
B And those women who have such qualities are to be selected as the
companions and colleagues of men who have similar qualities and whom
they resemble in capacity and in character?
Very true.
And ought not the same natures to have the same pursuits?
They ought.
Then, as we were saying before, there is nothing unnatural 149 in
assigning music and gymnastic to the wives of the guardians—to that point
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Certainly not.
The law which we then enacted was agreeable to nature, C and therefore
not an impossibility or mere aspiration; and the contrary practice, which
prevails at present, is in reality a violation of nature.
That appears to be true.
We had to consider, first, whether our proposals were possible, and
secondly whether they were the most beneficial?
Yes.
And the possibility has been acknowledged?
Yes.
The very great benefit has next to be established?
Quite so.
You will admit that
There are different degrees of goodness both in women and in men.
the same education which makes a man a good guardian will make a
woman a good guardian; for D their original nature is the same?
Yes.
I should like to ask you a question.
What is it?
Would you say that all men are equal in excellence, or is one man better
than another?
The latter.
And in the commonwealth which we were founding do you conceive the
guardians who have been brought up on our model system to be more
perfect men, or the cobblers whose education has been cobbling?
What a ridiculous question!
You have answered me, I replied: Well, and may we not E further say
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y
And will not their wives be the best women?
Yes, by far the best.
And can there be anything better for the interests of the State than that the
men and women of a State should be as good as possible?
There can be nothing better.
457 And this is what the arts of music and gymnastic, when present in
such manner as we have described, will accomplish? 150
Certainly.
Then we have made an enactment not only possible but in the highest
degree beneficial to the State?
True.
Then let the wives of our guardians strip, for their virtue will be their
robe, and let them share in the toils of war and the defence of their country;
only in the distribution of labours the lighter are to be assigned to the
women, who are the weaker natures, but in other respects their duties are to
be the same. B And as for the man who laughs at naked women exercising
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‘A fruit of unripe wisdom,’

and he himself is ignorant of what he is laughing at, or what he is about;—
for that is, and ever will be, the best of The noble saying. sayings, That the
useful is the noble and the hurtful is the base.
Very true.
Here, then, is one difficulty in our law about women, which we may say
that we have now escaped; the wave has not swallowed us up alive for
enacting that the guardians of either sex should have all their pursuits in
common; to the utility C and also to the possibility of this arrangement the
consistency of the argument with itself bears witness.
Yes, that was a mighty wave which you have escaped.
Yes, I said, but a greater is coming; you will not
The second and greater wave.
think much of this when you see the next.
Go on; let me see.
The law, I said, which is the sequel of this and of all that has preceded, is
to the following effect,—‘that the wives of D our guardians are to be
common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his
own child, nor any child his parent.’
Yes, he said, that is a much greater wave than the other; and the
possibility as well as the utility of such a law are far more questionable.
I do not think, I said, that there can be any dispute about the very great
utility of having wives and children in common; the possibility is quite
another matter, and will be very much disputed. 151
E I think that a good many doubts may be raised about both.
You imply that the two
The utility and possibility of a community of wives and children.
questions must be combined, I replied. Now I meant that you should admit
the utility; and in this way, as I thought, I should escape from one of them,
and then there would remain only the possibility.
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Well, I said, I submit to my fate. Yet grant me a little 458 favour: let me
feast my mind with the dream as day dreamers are in the habit of feasting
themselves when they are walking alone; for before they have discovered
any means of effecting their wishes—that is a matter which never troubles
them—they would rather not tire themselves by thinking about possibilities;
but assuming that what they desire is already granted to them, they proceed
with their plan, and delight in detailing what they mean to do when their
wish has come true—that is a way which they have of not doing much good
B to a capacity which was never good for much. The utility to be considered first,
the possibility afterwards. Now I myself am beginning to lose heart, and I should
like, with your permission, to pass over the question of possibility at
present. Assuming therefore the possibility of the proposal, I shall now
proceed to enquire how the rulers will carry out these arrangements, and I
shall demonstrate that our plan, if executed, will be of the greatest benefit to
the State and to the guardians. First of all, then, if you have no objection, I
will endeavour with your help to consider the advantages of the measure;
and hereafter the question of possibility.
I have no objection; proceed.
First, I think that if our rulers and their auxiliaries are to C be worthy of
the name which they bear, there must be willingness to obey in the one and
the power of command in the other; the guardians must themselves obey the
laws, and they must also imitate the spirit of them in any details which are
entrusted to their care.
That is right, he said.
The legislator will select guardians male and female, who will meet at common meals and
exercises, and will be drawn to one another by an irresistible necessity. You, I said, who are
their legislator, having selected the men, will now select the women and
give them to them;—they must be as far as possible of like natures with
them; and they must live in common houses and meet at common meals.
None of them will have anything specially his or her own; 152 D they will
be together, and will be brought up together, and will associate at gymnastic
exercises. And so they will be drawn by a necessity of their natures to have
intercourse with each other—necessity is not too strong a word, I think?
Yes, he said;—necessity, not geometrical, but another sort of necessity
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True, I said; and this, Glaucon, like all the rest, must proceed after an
orderly fashion; in a city of the blessed, E licentiousness is an unholy thing
which the rulers will forbid.
Yes, he said, and it ought not to be permitted.
Then clearly the next thing will be to make matrimony sacred in the
highest degree, and what is most beneficial will be deemed sacred?
459 Exactly.
The breeding of human beings, as of animals, to be from the best and from those who are of a
ripe age. And how can marriages be made most beneficial?—that is a
question which I put to you, because I see in your house dogs for hunting,
and of the nobler sort of birds not a few. Now, I beseech you, do tell me,
have you ever attended to their pairing and breeding?
In what particulars?
Why, in the first place, although they are all of a good sort, are not some
better than others?
True.
And do you breed from them all indifferently, or do you take care to
breed from the best only?
From the best.
B And do you take the oldest or the youngest, or only those of ripe age?
I choose only those of ripe age.
And if care was not taken in the breeding, your dogs and birds would
greatly deteriorate?
Certainly.
And the same of horses and animals in general?
Undoubtedly.
Good heavens! my dear friend, I said, what consummate skill will our
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C Certainly, the same principle holds; but why does this involve any
particular skill? 153
Because, I said, our rulers will often have to
Useful lies ‘very honest knaveries.’
practise upon the body corporate with medicines. Now you know that when
patients do not require medicines, but have only to be put under a regimen,
the inferior sort of practitioner is deemed to be good enough; but when
medicine has to be given, then the doctor should be more of a man.
That is quite true, he said; but to what are you alluding?
I mean, I replied, that our rulers will find a considerable dose of
falsehood and deceit necessary for the good of their subjects: D we were
saying that the use of all these things regarded as medicines might be of
advantage.
And we were very right.
And this lawful use of them seems likely to be often needed in the
regulations of marriages and births.
How so?
Why, I said, the principle has been
Arrangements for the improvement of the breed;
already laid down that the best of either sex should be united with the best
as often, and the inferior with the inferior, as seldom as possible; and that
they should rear the offspring of the one sort of union, E but not of the
other, if the flock is to be maintained in first-rate condition. Now these
goings on must be a secret which the rulers only know, or there will be a
further danger of our herd, as the guardians may be termed, breaking out
into rebellion.
Very true.
Had we not better appoint certain festivals at
and for the regulation of population.
which we will bring together the brides and bridegrooms, and sacrifices
460 will be offered and suitable hymeneal songs composed by our poets:
the number of weddings is a matter which must be left to the discretion of
the rulers, whose aim will be to preserve the average of population? There
are many other things which they will have to consider, such as the effects
of wars and diseases and any similar agencies, in order as far as this is
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Certainly, he replied.
We shall have to invent some ingenious kind of lots which
Pairing by lot.
the less worthy may draw on each occasion of our bringing them together,
and then they will accuse their own ill-luck and not the rulers. 154
To be sure, he said.
B And I think that our braver and better youth,
The brave deserve the fair.
besides their other honours and rewards, might have greater facilities of
intercourse with women given them; their bravery will be a reason, and
such fathers ought to have as many sons as possible.
True.
And the proper officers, whether male or female or both, for offices are to
be held by women as well as by men—
Yes—
C The proper officers will take the
What is to be done with the children?
offspring of the good parents to the pen or fold, and there they will deposit
them with certain nurses who dwell in a separate quarter; but the offspring
of the inferior, or of the better when they chance to be deformed, will be put
away in some mysterious, unknown place, as they should be.
Yes, he said, that must be done if the breed of the guardians is to be kept
pure.
They will provide for their nurture, and will bring the mothers to the fold
when they are full of milk, taking the D greatest possible care that no
mother recognises her own child; and other wet-nurses may be engaged if
more are required. Care will also be taken that the process of suckling shall
not be protracted too long; and the mothers will have no getting up at night
or other trouble, but will hand over all this sort of thing to the nurses and
attendants.
You suppose the wives of our guardians to have a fine easy time of it
when they are having children.
Why, said I, and so they ought. Let us, however, proceed with our
scheme. We were saying that the parents should be in the prime of life?
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E And what is the prime of life? May it not be defined as a period of
about twenty years in a woman’s life, and thirty in a man’s?
Which years do you mean to include?
A woman to bear children from twenty to forty; a man to beget them from twenty-five to fifty-
five. A woman, I said, at twenty years of age may begin to bear children to
the State, and continue to bear them until forty; a man may begin at five-
and-twenty, when he has passed the 155 point at which the pulse of life beats
quickest, and continue to beget children until he be fifty-five.
461 Certainly, he said, both in men and women those years are the prime
of physical as well as of intellectual vigour.
Any one above or below the prescribed ages who takes part in the public
hymeneals shall be said to have done an unholy and unrighteous thing; the
child of which he is the father, if it steals into life, will have been conceived
under auspices very unlike the sacrifices and prayers, which at each
hymeneal priestesses and priest and the whole city will offer, that the new
generation may be better and more useful than their B good and useful
parents, whereas his child will be the offspring of darkness and strange lust.
Very true, he replied.
And the same law will apply to any one of those within the prescribed
age who forms a connection with any woman in the prime of life without
the sanction of the rulers; for we shall say that he is raising up a bastard to
the State, uncertified and unconsecrated.
Very true, he replied.
After the prescribed age has been passed, more licence is allowed: but all who were born after
certain hymeneal festivals at which their parents or grandparents came together must be kept
separate. This applies, however, only to those who are within the specified
age: after that we allow them to range at will, C except that a man may not
marry his daughter or his daughter’s daughter, or his mother or his mother’s
mother; and women, on the other hand, are prohibited from marrying their
sons or fathers, or son’s son or father’s father, and so on in either direction.
And we grant all this, accompanying the permission with strict orders to
prevent any embryo which may come into being from seeing the light; and
if any force a way to the birth, the parents must understand that the
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That also, he said, is a reasonable proposition. But how D will they
know who are fathers and daughters, and so on?
They will never know. The way will be this:—dating from the day of the
hymeneal, the bridegroom who was then married will call all the male
children who are born in the seventh and tenth month afterwards his sons,
and the female children his daughters, and they will call him father, and he
will call their children his grandchildren, and they 156 will call the elder
generation grandfathers and grandmothers. All who were begotten at the
time when their fathers and mothers came together will be called their
brothers and E sisters, and these, as I was saying, will be forbidden to
inter-marry. This, however, is not to be understood as an absolute
prohibition of the marriage of brothers and sisters; if the lot favours them,
and they receive the sanction of the Pythian oracle, the law will allow them.
Quite right, he replied.
Such is the scheme, Glaucon, according to which the guardians of our
State are to have their wives and families in common. And now you would
have the argument show that this community is consistent with the rest of
our polity, and also that nothing can be better—would you not?
462 Yes, certainly.
Shall we try to find a common basis by asking of ourselves what ought to
be the chief aim of the legislator in making laws and in the organization of a
State,—what is the greatest good, and what is the greatest evil, and then
consider whether our previous description has the stamp of the good or of
the evil?
By all means.
The greatest good of States, unity; the greatest evil, discord. The one the result of public, the
other of private feelings. Can there be any greater evil than discord and
distraction B and plurality where unity ought to reign? or any greater good
than the bond of unity?
There cannot.
And there is unity where there is community of pleasures and pains—
where all the citizens are glad or grieved on the same occasions of joy and
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No doubt.
Yes; and where there is no common but only private feeling a State is
disorganized—when you have one half of the world triumphing and the
other plunged in grief at C the same events happening to the city or the
citizens?
Certainly.
Such differences commonly originate in a disagreement about the use of
the terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine,’ ‘his’ and ‘not his.’
Exactly so.
And is not that the best-ordered State in which the greatest 157 number of
persons apply the terms ‘mine’ and ‘not mine’ in the same way to the same
thing?
Quite true.
Or that again
The State like a living being which feels altogether when hurt in any part.
which most nearly approaches to the condition of the individual—as in the
body, when but a finger of one of us is hurt, the whole frame, drawn
towards the soul as a centre and forming one kingdom under the ruling
power D therein, feels the hurt and sympathizes all together with the part
affected, and we say that the man has a pain in his finger; and the same
expression is used about any other part of the body, which has a sensation
of pain at suffering or of pleasure at the alleviation of suffering.
Very true, he replied; and I agree with you that in the best-ordered State
there is the nearest approach to this common feeling which you describe.
Then when any one of the citizens experiences any good E or evil, the
whole State will make his case their own, and will either rejoice or sorrow
with him?
Yes, he said, that is what will happen in a well-ordered State.
It
How different are the terms which are applied to the rulers in other States and in our own!
will now be time, I said, for us to return to our State and see whether this or
some other form is most in accordance with these fundamental principles.
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463 Our State like every other has rulers and subjects?
True.
All of whom will call one another citizens?
Of course.
But is there not another name which people give to their rulers in other
States?
Generally they call them masters, but in democratic States they simply
call them rulers.
And in our State what other name besides that of citizens do the people
give the rulers?
B They are called saviours and helpers, he replied.
And what do the rulers call the people?
Their maintainers and foster-fathers.
And what do they call them in other States?
Slaves.
And what do the rulers call one another in other States? 158
Fellow-rulers.
And what in ours?
Fellow-guardians.
Did you ever know an example in any other State of a ruler who would
speak of one of his colleagues as his friend and of another as not being his
friend?
Yes, very often.
And the friend he regards and describes as one in whom C he has an
interest, and the other as a stranger in whom he has no interest?
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But would any of your guardians think or speak of any other guardian as
a stranger?
Certainly he would not; for every one whom they meet will be regarded
by them either as a brother or sister, or father or mother, or son or daughter,
or as the child or parent of those who are thus connected with him.
Capital, I said; but let me ask you once more: Shall they
The State one family.
D be a family in name only; or shall they in all their actions be true to the
name? For example, in the use of the word ‘father,’ would the care of a
father be implied and the filial reverence and duty and obedience to him
which the law commands; and is the violator of these duties to be regarded
as an impious and unrighteous person who is not likely to receive much
good either at the hands of God or of man? Are these to be or not to be the
strains which the children will hear repeated in their ears by all the citizens
about those who are intimated to them to be their parents and the rest of
their kinsfolk?
E Using the same terms, they will have the same modes of thinking and acting, and this is to be
These, he said, and none
attributed mainly to the community of women and children.
other; for what can be more ridiculous than for them to utter the names of
family ties with the lips only and not to act in the spirit of them?
Then in our city the language of harmony and concord will be more often
heard than in any other. As I was describing before, when any one is well or
ill, the universal word will be ‘with me it is well’ or ‘it is ill.’
464 Most true.
And agreeably to this mode of thinking and speaking, were we not saying
that they will have their pleasures and pains in common? 159
Yes, and so they will.
And they will have a common interest in the same thing which they will
alike call ‘my own,’ and having this common interest they will have a
common feeling of pleasure and pain?
Yes, far more so than in other States.
And the reason of this, over and above the general constitution of the
State, will be that the guardians will have a community of women and
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That will be the chief reason.
B And this unity of feeling we admitted to be the greatest good, as was
implied in our own comparison of a well-ordered State to the relation of the
body and the members, when affected by pleasure or pain?
That we acknowledged, and very rightly.
Then the community of wives and children among our citizens is clearly
the source of the greatest good to the State?
Certainly.
And this agrees with the other principle which we were affirming,—that
the guardians were not to have houses or C lands or any other property;
their pay was to be their food, which they were to receive from the other
citizens, and they were to have no private expenses; for we intended them to
preserve their true character of guardians.
Right, he replied.
There will be no private interests among them, and therefore no lawsuits or trials for assault or
violence to elders. Both the community of property and the community of
families, as I am saying, tend to make them more truly guardians; they will
not tear the city in pieces by differing about ‘mine’ and ‘not mine;’ each
man dragging any D acquisition which he has made into a separate house
of his own, where he has a separate wife and children and private pleasures
and pains; but all will be affected as far as may be by the same pleasures
and pains because they are all of one opinion about what is near and dear to
them, and therefore they all tend towards a common end.
Certainly, he replied.
And as they have nothing but their persons which they can call their own,
suits and complaints will have no existence E among them; they will be
delivered from all those quarrels of which money or children or relations
are the occasion. 160
Of course they will.
Neither will trials for assault or insult ever be likely to occur among
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maintain to be honourable and right; 465 we shall make the protection of
the person a matter of necessity.
That is good, he said.
Yes; and there is a further good in the law; viz. that if a man has a quarrel
with another he will satisfy his resentment then and there, and not proceed
to more dangerous lengths.
Certainly.
To the elder shall be assigned the duty of ruling and chastising the
younger.
Clearly.
Nor can there be a doubt that the younger will not strike or do any other
violence to an elder, unless the magistrates command him; nor will he slight
him in any way. For there are two guardians, shame and fear, mighty to
prevent him: shame, which makes men refrain from laying hands on
B those who are to them in the relation of parents; fear, that the injured one
will be succoured by the others who are his brothers, sons, fathers.
That is true, he replied.
Then in every way the laws will help the citizens to keep the peace with
one another?
Yes, there will be no want of peace.
And as the guardians will
From how many other evils will our citizens be delivered!
never quarrel among themselves there will be no danger of the rest of the
city being divided either against them or against one another.
None whatever.
I hardly like even to mention the little meannesses of C which they will
be rid, for they are beneath notice: such, for example, as the flattery of the
rich by the poor, and all the pains and pangs which men experience in
bringing up a family, and in finding money to buy necessaries for their
household, borrowing and then repudiating, getting how they can, and
giving the money into the hands of women and slaves to keep—the many
evils of so many kinds which people suffer in this way are mean enough
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D Yes, he said, a man has no need of eyes in order to perceive that.
And from all these evils they will be delivered, and their life will be
blessed as the life of Olympic victors and yet more blessed.
How so?
The Olympic victor, I said, is deemed happy in receiving a part only of
the blessedness which is secured to our citizens, who have won a more
glorious victory and have a more complete maintenance at the public cost.
For the victory which they have won is the salvation of the whole State; and
the crown with which they and their children are crowned is the fulness of
all that life needs; they receive E rewards from the hands of their country
while living, and after death have an honourable burial.
Yes, he said, and glorious rewards they are.
Do
Answer to the charge of Adeimantus that we made our citizens unhappy for their own good.
you remember, I said, how in the course of the previous 466 discussion6
some one who shall be nameless accused us of making our guardians
unhappy—they had nothing and might have possessed all things—to whom
we replied that, if an occasion offered, we might perhaps hereafter consider
this question, but that, as at present advised, we would make our guardians
truly guardians, and that we were fashioning the State with a view to the
greatest happiness, not of any particular class, but of the whole?
6 Pages 419, 420 ff.

Yes, I remember.
And what do you
Their life not to be compared with that of citizens in ordinary States.
say, now that the life of our protectors is made out to be far better and
nobler than that of Olympic B victors—is the life of shoemakers, or any
other artisans, or of husbandmen, to be compared with it?
Certainly not.
He who seeks to be more than a guardian is naught. At the same time I ought here to
repeat what I have said elsewhere, that if any of our guardians shall try to be
happy in such a manner that he will cease to be a guardian, and is not
content with this safe and harmonious life, which, in our judgment, is of all
lives the best, but infatuated by some youthful conceit of happiness which
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then he 162 will have to learn how wisely Hesiod spoke, when he said, ‘half
is more than the whole.’
If he were to consult me, I should say to him: Stay where you are, when
you have the offer of such a life.
The common way of life includes common education, common children, common services and
duties of men and women. You agree then, I said, that men and women are to
have a common way of life such as we have described—common
education, common children; and they are to watch over the citizens in
common whether abiding in the city or going out to war; they are to keep
watch together, and to hunt D together like dogs; and always and in all
things, as far as they are able, women are to share with the men? And in so
doing they will do what is best, and will not violate, but preserve the natural
relation of the sexes.
I agree with you, he replied.
The enquiry, I said, has yet to be made, whether such a community be
found possible—as among other animals, so also among men—and if
possible, in what way possible?
You have anticipated the question which I was about to suggest.
E There is no difficulty, I said, in seeing how war will be carried on by
them.
How?
Why, of course they
The children to accompany their parents on military expeditions;
will go on expeditions together; and will take with them any of their
children who are strong enough, that, after the manner of the artisan’s child,
they may look on at the work which they will have to do when they are
grown up; 467 and besides looking on they will have to help and be of use
in war, and to wait upon their fathers and mothers. Did you never observe in
the arts how the potters’ boys look on and help, long before they touch the
wheel?
Yes, I have.
And shall potters be more careful in educating their children and in
giving them the opportunity of seeing and practising their duties than our
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The idea is ridiculous, he said.
There is also the effect on the parents, with whom, as with B other
animals, the presence of their young ones will be the greatest incentive to
valour.
That is quite true, Socrates; and yet if they are defeated, which may often
happen in war, how great the danger is! 163 the children will be lost as well
as their parents, and the State will never recover.
True, I said; but would you never allow them to run any risk?
I am far from saying that.
Well, but if they are ever to run a risk should they not do so on some
occasion when, if they escape disaster, they will be the better for it?
Clearly.
C Whether the future
but care must be taken that they do not run any serious risk.
soldiers do or do not see war in the days of their youth is a very important
matter, for the sake of which some risk may fairly be incurred.
Yes, very important.
This then must be our first step,—to make our children spectators of war;
but we must also contrive that they shall be secured against danger; then all
will be well.
True.
Their parents may be supposed not to be blind to the risks of war, but to
know, as far as human foresight can, what D expeditions are safe and what
dangerous?
That may be assumed.
And they will take them on the safe expeditions and be cautious about the
dangerous ones?
True.
And they will place them under the command of experienced veterans
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Very properly.
Still, the dangers of war cannot be always foreseen; there is a good deal
of chance about them?
True.
Then against such chances the children must be at once furnished with
wings, in order that in the hour of need they may fly away and escape.
E What do you mean? he said.
I mean that we must mount them on horses in their earliest youth, and
when they have learnt to ride, take them on horseback to see war: the horses
must not be spirited and warlike, but the most tractable and yet the swiftest
that can be had. In this way they will get an excellent view of what is
468 hereafter to be their own business; and if there is danger they have only
to follow their elder leaders and escape. 164
I believe that you are right, he said.
Next, as to war; what are to be the
The coward is to be degraded into a lower rank.
relations of your soldiers to one another and to their enemies? I should be
inclined to propose that the soldier who leaves his rank or throws away his
arms, or is guilty of any other act of cowardice, should be degraded into the
rank of a husbandman or artisan. What do you think?
By all means, I should say.
And he who allows himself to be taken prisoner may as well be made a
present of to his enemies; he is their lawful prey, and let them do what they
like with him.
B Certainly.
But the hero
The hero to receive honour from his comrades and favour from his beloved,
who has distinguished himself, what shall be done to him? In the first place,
he shall receive honour in the army from his youthful comrades; every one
of them in succession shall crown him. What do you say?
I approve.
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To that too, I agree.
But you will hardly agree to my next proposal.
What is your proposal?
That he should kiss and be kissed by them.
Most certainly, and I should be disposed to go further, and say: C Let no
one whom he has a mind to kiss refuse to be kissed by him while the
expedition lasts. So that if there be a lover in the army, whether his love be
youth or maiden, he may be more eager to win the prize of valour.
Capital, I said. That the brave man is to have more wives than others has
been already determined: and he is to have first choices in such matters
more than others, in order that he may have as many children as possible?
Agreed.
and to have precedence, and a larger share of meats and drinks; Again, there is another
manner in which, according to D Homer, brave youths should be honoured;
for he tells how Ajax7, after he had distinguished himself in battle, was
rewarded with long chines, which seems to be a compliment appropriate to
a hero in the flower of his age, being not only a tribute of honour but also a
very strengthening thing. 165
7 Iliad, vii. 321.

Most true, he said.
Then in this, I said, Homer shall be our teacher; and we too, at sacrifices
and on the like occasions, will honour the brave according to the measure of
their valour, whether men or women, with hymns and those other
distinctions which we were mentioning; also with

E ‘seats of precedence, and meats and full cups8;’

and in honouring them, we shall be at the same time training them.
8 Iliad, viii. 161.

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Yes, I said; and when a man dies gloriously in war shall we not say, in the
first place, that he is of the golden race?
To be sure.
Nay, have we not the authority of Hesiod for
also to be worshipped after death.
affirming that when they are dead

469 ‘They are holy angels upon the earth, authors of good, averters of evil, the guardians
of speech-gifted men’?9

9 Probably Works and Days, 121 foll.

Yes; and we accept his authority.
We must learn of the god how we are to order the sepulture of divine and
heroic personages, and what is to be their special distinction; and we must
do as he bids?
By all means.
And in ages to come we will reverence them and kneel B before their
sepulchres as at the graves of heroes. And not only they but any who are
deemed pre-eminently good, whether they die from age, or in any other
way, shall be admitted to the same honours.
That is very right, he said.
Behaviour to enemies. Next, how shall our soldiers treat their enemies? What
about this?
In what respect do you mean?
First of all, in regard to slavery? Do you think it right that Hellenes
should enslave Hellenic States, or allow others to enslave them, if they can
help? Should not their custom be to spare them, considering the danger
which there is C that the whole race may one day fall under the yoke of the
barbarians?
To spare them is infinitely better. 166
Then no Hellene should be owned by them as
No Hellene shall be made a slave.
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to observe.
Certainly, he said; they will in this way be united against the barbarians
and will keep their hands off one another.
Next as to the slain; ought the conquerors, I said, to take anything but
their armour? Does not the practice of D despoiling an enemy afford an
excuse for not facing the battle? Cowards skulk about the dead, pretending
that they are fulfilling a duty, and many an army before now has been lost
from this love of plunder.
Very true.
And is there not illiberality and
Those who fall in battle are not to be despoiled.
avarice in robbing a corpse, and also a degree of meanness and
womanishness in making an enemy of the dead body when the real enemy
has flown away and left only his fighting gear behind him,—is not this
E rather like a dog who cannot get at his assailant, quarrelling with the
stones which strike him instead?
Very like a dog, he said.
Then we must abstain from spoiling the dead or hindering their burial?
Yes, he replied, we most certainly must.
The arms of Hellenes are not to be offered at temples; Neither shall we offer up arms
at the temples of the gods, 470 least of all the arms of Hellenes, if we care
to maintain good feeling with other Hellenes; and, indeed, we have reason
to fear that the offering of spoils taken from kinsmen may be a pollution
unless commanded by the god himself?
Very true.
Again, as to the devastation of Hellenic territory or the burning of houses,
what is to be the practice?
May I have the pleasure, he said, of hearing your opinion?
Both should be forbidden, in my judgment; I would take the B annual
produce and no more. Shall I tell you why?
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Why, you see, there is a difference in the
nor Hellenic territory devastated.
names ‘discord’ and ‘war,’ and I imagine that there is also a difference in
their natures; the one is expressive of what is internal and domestic, the
other of what is external and foreign; and the first of the two is termed
discord, and only the second, war. 167
That is a very proper distinction, he replied.
C And may I not observe with equal propriety that the Hellenic race is
all united together by ties of blood and friendship, and alien and strange to
the barbarians?
Very good, he said.
And therefore when Hellenes fight with barbarians and barbarians with
Hellenes, they will be described by us as being at war when they fight, and
by nature enemies, and this kind of antagonism should be called war;
Hellenic warfare is only a kind of discord not intended to be lasting. but when Hellenes fight
with one another we shall say that Hellas is then in a state of disorder and
discord, they being by nature friends; D and such enmity is to be called
discord.
I agree.
Consider then, I said, when that which we have acknowledged to be
discord occurs, and a city is divided, if both parties destroy the lands and
burn the houses of one another, how wicked does the strife appear! No true
lover of his country would bring himself to tear in pieces his own nurse and
mother: There might be reason in the conqueror depriving the conquered of
their harvest, but still they would E have the idea of peace in their hearts
and would not mean to go on fighting for ever.
Yes, he said, that is a better temper than the other.
And will not the city, which you are founding, be an Hellenic city?
It ought to be, he replied.
Then will not the citizens be good and civilized?
Yes, very civilized.
The lover of his own city will also be a lover of Hellas. And will they not be lovers of
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temples?
Most certainly.
And any difference which arises among them will be 471 regarded by
them as discord only—a quarrel among friends, which is not to be called a
war?
Certainly not.
Then they will quarrel as those who intend some day to be reconciled?
Certainly.
They will use friendly correction, but will not enslave or destroy their
opponents; they will be correctors, not enemies? 168
Just so.
Hellenes should deal mildly with Hellenes; and with barbarians as Hellenes now deal with one
another. And as they are Hellenes themselves they will not devastate Hellas,
nor will they burn houses, nor ever suppose that the whole population of a
city—men, women, and children—are equally their enemies, for they know
that the guilt of war is always confined to a few persons and that the many
are their friends. B And for all these reasons they will be unwilling to
waste their lands and rase their houses; their enmity to them will only last
until the many innocent sufferers have compelled the guilty few to give
satisfaction?
I agree, he said, that our citizens should thus deal with their Hellenic
enemies; and with barbarians as the Hellenes now deal with one another.
Then let us enact this law also for our guardians:—that they are neither to
devastate the lands of Hellenes nor to C burn their houses.
Agreed; and we may agree also in thinking that these, like all our
previous enactments, are very good.
But still I must say,
The complaint of Glaucon respecting the hesitation of Socrates.
Socrates, that if you are allowed to go on in this way you will entirely forget
the other question which at the commencement of this discussion you thrust
aside:—Is such an order of things possible, and how, if at all? For I am
quite ready to acknowledge that the plan which you propose, if only
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omitted, that your D citizens will be the bravest of warriors, and will never
leave their ranks, for they will all know one another, and each will call the
other father, brother, son; and if you suppose the women to join their
armies, whether in the same rank or in the rear, either as a terror to the
enemy, or as auxiliaries in case of need, I know that they will then be
absolutely invincible; and there are many domestic advantages which might
also be mentioned and which I also fully acknowledge: E but, as I admit all
these advantages and as many more as you please, if only this State of yours
were to come into existence, we need say no more about them; assuming
then the existence of the State, let us now turn to the question of possibility
and ways and means—the rest may be left. 169
If I
472 Socrates excuses himself and makes one or two remarks preparatory to a final effort.
loiter10 for a moment, you instantly make a raid upon me, I said, and have
no mercy; I have hardly escaped the first and second waves, and you seem
not to be aware that you are now bringing upon me the third, which is the
greatest and heaviest. When you have seen and heard the third wave, I think
you will be more considerate and will acknowledge that some fear and
hesitation was natural respecting a proposal so extraordinary as that which I
have now to state and investigate.
10 Reading στραγγευομένῳ.

The more appeals of this sort which you make, he said, the B more
determined are we that you shall tell us how such a State is possible: speak
out and at once.
Let me begin by reminding you that we found our way hither in the
search after justice and injustice.
True, he replied; but what of that?
I was only going to ask whether, if we have discovered them, we are to
require that the just man should in nothing fail of absolute justice; or may
we be satisfied with an approximation, C and the attainment in him of a
higher degree of justice than is to be found in other men?
The approximation will be enough.
We were enquiring into the nature of absolute justice and into the
character of the perfectly just, and into injustice and the perfectly unjust,
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realized; We were to look at these in order that we might judge of our own
happiness and unhappiness according to the standard D which they
exhibited and the degree in which we resembled them, but not with any
view of showing that they could exist in fact.
True, he said.
Would a painter be any the worse because, after having delineated with
consummate art an ideal of a perfectly beautiful man, he was unable to
show that any such man could ever have existed?
He would be none the worse.
E Well, and were we not creating an ideal of a perfect State?
To be sure.
(2) but is none the worse for this. And is our theory a worse theory because we
are unable to 170 prove the possibility of a city being ordered in the manner
described?
Surely not, he replied.
That is the truth, I said. But if, at your request, I am to try and show how
and under what conditions the possibility is highest, I must ask you, having
this in view, to repeat your former admissions.
What admissions?
473 I want to know whether ideals are ever fully realized in language?
Does not the word express more than the fact, and must not the actual,
whatever a man may think, always, in the nature of things, fall short of the
truth? What do you say?
I agree.
Then you must not insist on my proving that the actual State will in every
respect coincide with the ideal: if we are only able to discover how a city
may be governed nearly as we proposed, you will admit that we have
discovered the possibility which you demand; and will be contented. B I
am sure that I should be contented—will not you?
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(3) Although the ideal cannot be realized, one or two changes, or rather a single change, might
revolutionize a State. Let me next endeavour to show what is that fault in States
which is the cause of their present maladministration, and what is the least
change which will enable a State to pass into the truer form; and let the
change, if possible, be of one thing only, or, if not, of two; at any rate, let
the changes be as few and slight as possible.
C Certainly, he replied.
I think, I said, that there might be a reform of the State if only one change
were made, which is not a slight or easy though still a possible one.
What is it? he said.
Now then, I said, I go to meet that which I
Socrates goes forth to meet the wave.
liken to the greatest of the waves; yet shall the word be spoken, even though
the wave break and drown me in laughter and dishonour; and do you mark
my words.
Proceed.
I said: Until
‘Cities will never cease from ill until they are governed by philosophers.’
philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this world have the spirit
and power of philosophy, and D political greatness and wisdom meet in
one, and those 171 commoner natures who pursue either to the exclusion of
the other are compelled to stand aside, cities will never have rest from their
evils,—nor the human race, as I believe,—and then only will this E our
State have a possibility of life and behold the light of day. Such was the
thought, my dear Glaucon, which I would fain have uttered if it had not
seemed too extravagant; for to be convinced that in no other State can there
be happiness private or public is indeed a hard thing.
Socrates, what do you mean? I would have you
What will the world say to this?
consider that the word which you have uttered is one at which numerous
persons, and very respectable persons too, in 474 a figure pulling off their
coats all in a moment, and seizing any weapon that comes to hand, will run
at you might and main, before you know where you are, intending to do
heaven knows what; and if you don’t prepare an answer, and put yourself in
motion, you will be ‘pared by their fine wits,’ and no mistake.
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And I was quite right; however, I will do all I can to get you out of it; but
I can only give you good-will and good advice, and, perhaps, I may be able
to fit answers to your questions better than another—that is all. And now,
having B such an auxiliary, you must do your best to show the unbelievers
that you are right.
I ought to try, I said, since you offer me such invaluable assistance. And I
think that, if there is to be a chance of our escaping, But who is a philosopher? we
must explain to them whom we mean when we say that philosophers are to
rule in the State; then we shall be able to defend ourselves: There will be
discovered to be some natures who ought to study philosophy and to be
C leaders in the State; and others who are not born to be philosophers, and
are meant to be followers rather than leaders.
Then now for a definition, he said.
Follow me, I said, and I hope that I may in some way or other be able to
give you a satisfactory explanation.
Proceed.
I dare say that you remember, and therefore I need not
Parallel of the lover.
remind you, that a lover, if he is worthy of the name, ought to show his
love, not to some one part of that which he loves, but to the whole. 172
D I really do not understand, and therefore beg of you to assist my
memory.
The lover of the fair loves them all; Another person, I said, might fairly reply as
you do; but a man of pleasure like yourself ought to know that all who are
in the flower of youth do somehow or other raise a pang or emotion in a
lover’s breast, and are thought by him to be worthy of his affectionate
regards. Is not this a way which you have with the fair: one has a snub nose,
and you praise his charming face; the hook-nose of another has, you say, a
royal look; while he who is neither snub nor hooked has E the grace of
regularity: the dark visage is manly, the fair are children of the gods; and as
to the sweet ‘honey pale,’ as they are called, what is the very name but the
invention of a lover who talks in diminutives, and is not averse to paleness
if appearing on the cheek of youth? In a word, there is no 475 excuse which
you will not make, and nothing which you will not say, in order not to lose a
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If you make me an authority in matters of love, for the sake of the
argument, I assent.
And what do you say of lovers of wine? Do you
the lover of wines all wines;
not see them doing the same? They are glad of any pretext of drinking any
wine.
Very good.
And the same is true of ambitious men; if they
the lover of honour all honour;
cannot command an army, they are willing to command a file; and B if
they cannot be honoured by really great and important persons, they are
glad to be honoured by lesser and meaner people,—but honour of some
kind they must have.
Exactly.
Once more let me ask: Does he who desires any class of goods, desire the
whole class or a part only?
The whole.
And may we not say of the
the philosopher, or lover of wisdom, all knowledge.
philosopher that he is a lover, not of a part of wisdom only, but of the
whole?
Yes, of the whole.
And he who dislikes learning, especially in youth, when C he has no
power of judging what is good and what is not, such an one we maintain not
to be a philosopher or a lover of knowledge, just as he who refuses his food
is not hungry, 173 and may be said to have a bad appetite and not a good
one?
Very true, he said.
Whereas he who has a taste for every sort of knowledge and who is
curious to learn and is never satisfied, may be justly termed a philosopher?
Am I not right?
D Under knowledge, however, are not to be included sights and sounds, or under the lovers of
Glaucon said: If curiosity makes a
knowledge, musical amateurs and the like.
philosopher, you will find many a strange being will have a title to the
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be included. Musical amateurs, too, are a folk strangely out of place among
philosophers, for they are the last persons in the world who would come to
anything like a philosophical discussion, if they could help, while they run
about at the Dionysiac festivals as if they had let out their ears to hear every
chorus; whether the performance is in town or country—that makes no
difference—they are there. Now are we E to maintain that all these and
any who have similar tastes, as well as the professors of quite minor arts,
are philosophers?
Certainly not, I replied; they are only an imitation.
He said: Who then are the true philosophers?
Those, I said, who are lovers of the vision of truth.
That is also good, he said; but I should like to know what you mean?
To another, I replied, I might have a difficulty in explaining; but I am
sure that you will admit a proposition which I am about to make.
What is the proposition?
That since beauty is the opposite of ugliness, they are two?
Certainly.
476 And inasmuch as they are two, each of them is one?
True again.
And of just and unjust, good and evil, and of every other class, the same
remark holds: taken singly, each of them is one; but from the various
combinations of them with actions and things and with one another, they are
seen in all sorts of lights and appear many?
Very true.
And this is the distinction which I draw between the sight-174loving, art-
loving, practical class and those of whom I am B speaking, and who are
alone worthy of the name of philosophers.
How do you distinguish them? he said.
The lovers of sounds and sights, I replied, are, as I conceive, fond of fine
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of them, but their mind is incapable of seeing or loving absolute beauty.
True, he replied.
Few are they who are able to attain to the sight of this.
C Very true.
And he who, having a sense of beautiful things has no sense of absolute
beauty, or who, if another lead him to a knowledge of that beauty is unable
to follow—of such an one I ask, Is he awake or in a dream only? Reflect: is
not the dreamer, sleeping or waking, one who likens dissimilar things, who
puts the copy in the place of the real object?
I should certainly say that such an one was dreaming.
True knowledge is the ability to distinguish between the one and many, between the idea and the
objects which partake of the idea. But take the case of the other, who recognises the
existence D of absolute beauty and is able to distinguish the idea from the
objects which participate in the idea, neither putting the objects in the place
of the idea nor the idea in the place of the objects—is he a dreamer, or is he
awake?
He is wide awake.
And may we not say that the mind of the one who knows has knowledge,
and that the mind of the other, who opines only, has opinion?
Certainly.
But suppose that the latter should quarrel with us and dispute our
statement, can we administer any soothing E cordial or advice to him,
without revealing to him that there is sad disorder in his wits?
We must certainly offer him some good advice, he replied.
Come, then, and let us think of something to say to him. Shall we begin
by assuring him that he is welcome to any knowledge which he may have,
and that we are rejoiced at his having it? But we should like to ask him a
question: Does he who has knowledge know something or nothing? (You
must answer for him.)
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Something that is or is not?
Something that is; for how can that which is not ever be known?
477 There is an intermediate between being and not being, and a corresponding intermediate
And are we
between ignorance and knowledge. This intermediate is a faculty termed opinion.
assured, after looking at the matter from many points of view, that absolute
being is or may be absolutely known, but that the utterly non-existent is
utterly unknown?
Nothing can be more certain.
Good. But if there be anything which is of such a nature as to be and not
to be, that will have a place intermediate between pure being and the
absolute negation of being?
Yes, between them.
And, as knowledge corresponded to being and ignorance of necessity to
not-being, for that intermediate between being and not-being there has to be
discovered a corresponding B intermediate between ignorance and
knowledge, if there be such?
Certainly.
Do we admit the existence of opinion?
Undoubtedly.
As being the same with knowledge, or another faculty?
Another faculty.
Then opinion and knowledge have to do with different kinds of matter
corresponding to this difference of faculties?
Yes.
And knowledge is relative to being and knows being. But before I
proceed further I will make a division.
What division?
CI will begin by placing faculties in a class by themselves: they are
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hearing, for example, I should call faculties. Have I clearly explained the
class which I mean?
Yes, I quite understand.
Then let me tell you my view about them. I do not see them, and
therefore the distinctions of figure, colour, and the like, which enable me to
discern the differences of some things, do not apply to them. In speaking of
a faculty I think D only of its sphere and its result; and that which has the
same sphere and the same result I call the same faculty, but that which has
another sphere and another result I call different. Would that be your way of
speaking? 176
Yes.
And will you be so very good as to answer one more question? Would
you say that knowledge is a faculty, or in what class would you place it?
Certainly knowledge is a faculty, and the mightiest of all faculties.
E And is opinion also a faculty?
Certainly, he said; for opinion is that with which we are able to form an
opinion.
And yet you were acknowledging a little while ago that knowledge is not
the same as opinion?
Why, yes, he
Opinion differs from knowledge because the one errs and the other is unerring.
said: how can any reasonable being ever identify that which is infallible
with that which errs?
478 An excellent answer, proving, I said, that we are quite conscious of
a distinction between them.
Yes.
Then knowledge and opinion having distinct powers have also distinct
spheres or subject-matters?
That is certain.
Being is the sphere or subject-matter of knowledge, and knowledge is to
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Yes.
And opinion is to have an opinion?
Yes.
And do we know what we opine? or is the subject-matter of opinion the
same as the subject-matter of knowledge?
Nay, he replied, that has been already disproven; if difference in faculty
implies difference in the sphere or B subject-matter, and if, as we were
saying, opinion and knowledge are distinct faculties, then the sphere of
knowledge and of opinion cannot be the same.
Then if being is the subject-matter of knowledge, something else must be
the subject-matter of opinion?
Yes, something else.
Well then, is not-being
It also differs from ignorance, which is concerned with nothing.
the subject-matter of opinion? or, rather, how can there be an opinion at all
about not-being? Reflect: when a man has an opinion, has he not an opinion
about something? Can he have an opinion which is an opinion about
nothing?
Impossible. 177
He who has an opinion has an opinion about some one thing?
Yes.
And not-being is not one thing but, properly speaking, C nothing?
True.
Of not-being, ignorance was assumed to be the necessary correlative; of
being, knowledge?
True, he said.
Then opinion is not concerned either with being or with not-being?
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That seems to be true.
But
Its place is not to be sought without or beyond knowledge or ignorance, but between them.
is opinion to be sought without and beyond either of them, in a greater
clearness than knowledge, or in a greater darkness than ignorance?
In neither.
Then I suppose that opinion appears to you to be darker than knowledge,
but lighter than ignorance?
Both; and in no small degree.
D And also to be within and between them?
Yes.
Then you would infer that opinion is intermediate?
No question.
But were we not saying before, that if anything appeared to be of a sort
which is and is not at the same time, that sort of thing would appear also to
lie in the interval between pure being and absolute not-being; and that the
corresponding faculty is neither knowledge nor ignorance, but will be found
in the interval between them?
True.
And in that interval there has now been discovered something which we
call opinion?
There has.
E Then what remains to be discovered is the object which partakes
equally of the nature of being and not-being, and cannot rightly be termed
either, pure and simple; this unknown term, when discovered, we may truly
call the subject of opinion, and assign each to their proper faculty,—178the
extremes to the faculties of the extremes and the mean to the faculty of the
mean.
True.
This being premised,
479 The absoluteness of the one and the relativeness of the many.
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unchangeable idea of beauty—in whose opinion the beautiful is the
manifold—he, I say, your lover of beautiful sights, who cannot bear to be
told that the beautiful is one, and the just is one, or that anything is one—to
him I would appeal, saying, Will you be so very kind, sir, as to tell us
whether, of all these beautiful things, there is one which will not be found
ugly; or of the just, which will not be found unjust; or of the holy, which
will not also be unholy?
B No, he replied; the beautiful will in some point of view be found
ugly; and the same is true of the rest.
And may not the many which are doubles be also halves?—doubles, that
is, of one thing, and halves of another?
Quite true.
And things great and small, heavy and light, as they are termed, will not
be denoted by these any more than by the opposite names?
True; both these and the opposite names will always attach to all of them.
And can any one of those many things which are called by particular
names be said to be this rather than not to be this?
He replied: They are like the punning riddles which are C asked at feasts
or the children’s puzzle about the eunuch aiming at the bat, with what he hit
him, as they say in the puzzle, and upon what the bat was sitting. The
individual objects of which I am speaking are also a riddle, and have a
double sense: nor can you fix them in your mind, either as being or not-
being, or both, or neither.
Then what will you do with them? I said. Can they have a better place
than between being and not-being? For they are clearly not in greater
darkness or negation than not-being, D or more full of light and existence
than being.
That is quite true, he said.
Thus then we seem to have discovered that the many ideas which the
multitude entertain about the beautiful and about 179 all other things are
tossing about in some region which is half-way between pure being and
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We have.
Yes; and we had before agreed that anything of this kind which we might
find was to be described as matter of opinion, and not as matter of
knowledge; being the intermediate flux which is caught and detained by the
intermediate faculty.
Quite true.
E Then those who see
Opinion is the knowledge, not of the absolute, but of the many.
the many beautiful, and who yet neither see absolute beauty, nor can follow
any guide who points the way thither; who see the many just, and not
absolute justice, and the like,—such persons may be said to have opinion
but not knowledge?
That is certain.
But those who see the absolute and eternal and immutable may be said to
know, and not to have opinion only?
Neither can that be denied.
The one love and embrace the subjects of knowledge, the other those of
opinion? The latter are the same, as I dare say 480 you will remember, who
listened to sweet sounds and gazed upon fair colours, but would not tolerate
the existence of absolute beauty.
Yes, I remember.
Shall we then be guilty of any impropriety in calling them lovers of
opinion rather than lovers of wisdom, and will they be very angry with us
for thus describing them?
I shall tell them not to be angry; no man should be angry at what is true.
But those who love the truth in each thing are to be called lovers of
wisdom and not lovers of opinion.
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BOOK VI.

Steph.
484 Republic VI.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.AND thus, Glaucon, after the argument has gone a weary
way, the true and the false philosophers have at length appeared in view.
I do not think, he said, that the way could have been shortened.
I suppose
If we had time, we might have a nearer view of the true and false philosopher.
not, I said; and yet I believe that we might have had a better view of both of
them if the discussion could have been confined to this one subject and if
there were not many other questions awaiting us, which he who desires to
see in what respect the life of the just differs B from that of the unjust must
consider.
And what is the next question? he asked.
Surely, I said, the one which follows next in order. Inasmuch as
philosophers only are able to grasp the eternal and unchangeable, and those
who wander in the region of the many and variable are not philosophers, I
must ask you which of the two classes should be the rulers of our State?
And how can we rightly answer that question?
Which of them shall be our guardians? Whichever of the two are best able to
guard the laws and C institutions of our State—let them be our guardians.
Very good.
Neither, I said, can there be any question that the
A question hardly to be asked.
guardian who is to keep anything should have eyes rather than no eyes?
There can be no question of that.
And are not those who are verily and indeed wanting in the knowledge of
the true being of each thing, and who have in their souls no clear pattern,
and are unable as with a painter’s eye to look at the absolute truth and to
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order the laws about beauty, goodness, justice in this, if not 181 already
ordered, and to guard and preserve the order of them—are not such persons,
I ask, simply blind?
Truly, he replied, they are much in that condition.
And shall they be our guardians when there are others who, besides being
their equals in experience and falling short of them in no particular of
virtue, also know the very truth of each thing?
There can be no reason, he said, for rejecting those who have this greatest
of all great qualities; they must always have the first place unless they fail
in some other respect.
485 Suppose then, I said, that we determine how far they can unite this
and the other excellences.
By all means.
In the first place, as we began
The philosopher is a lover of truth and of all true being.
by observing, the nature of the philosopher has to be ascertained. We must
come to an understanding about him, and, when we have done so, then, if I
am not mistaken, we shall also acknowledge that such an union of qualities
is possible, and that those in whom they are united, and those only, should
be rulers in the State.
What do you mean?
Let us suppose that philosophical minds always love knowledge B of a
sort which shows them the eternal nature not varying from generation and
corruption.
Agreed.
And further, I said, let us agree that they are lovers of all true being; there
is no part whether greater or less, or more or less honourable, which they
are willing to renounce; as we said before of the lover and the man of
ambition.
True.
And if they are to be what we were describing, is there C not another
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What quality?
Truthfulness: they will never intentionally receive into their mind
falsehood, which is their detestation, and they will love the truth.
Yes, that may be safely affirmed of them.
‘May be,’ my friend, I replied, is not the word; say rather ‘must be
affirmed:’ for he whose nature is amorous of anything cannot help loving all
that belongs or is akin to the object of his affections. 182
Right, he said.
And is there anything more akin to wisdom than truth?
How can there be?
Can the same nature be a lover of wisdom and a lover of D falsehood?
Never.
The true lover of learning then must from his earliest youth, as far as in
him lies, desire all truth?
Assuredly.
But then again, as we know by experience, he whose desires are strong in
one direction will have them weaker in others; they will be like a stream
which has been drawn off into another channel.
True.
He will be absorbed in the pleasures of the soul, and therefore temperate and the reverse of
covetous or mean. He whose desires are drawn towards knowledge in every
form will be absorbed in the pleasures of the soul, and will hardly feel
bodily pleasure—I mean, if he be a true philosopher and not a sham one.
E That is most certain.
Such an one is sure to be temperate and the reverse of covetous; for the
motives which make another man desirous of having and spending, have no
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486 Another criterion of the philosophical nature has also to be
considered.
What is that?
There should be no secret corner of illiberality; nothing can be more
antagonistic than meanness to a soul which is ever longing after the whole
of things both divine and human.
Most true, he replied.
Then how
In the magnificence of his contemplations he will not think much of human life.
can he who has magnificence of mind and is the spectator of all time and all
existence, think much of human life?
He cannot.
B Or can such an one account death fearful?
No indeed.
Then the cowardly and mean nature has no part in true philosophy? 183
Certainly not.
Or again: can he who is harmoniously constituted, who is not covetous or
mean, or a boaster, or a coward—can he, I say, ever be unjust or hard in his
dealings?
Impossible.
He will be of a gentle, sociable, harmonious nature; a lover of learning, having a good memory
and moving spontaneously in the world of being. Then you will soon observe whether a
man is just and gentle, or rude and unsociable; these are the signs which
distinguish even in youth the philosophical nature from the unphilosophical.
True.
C There is another point which should be remarked.
What point?
Whether he has or has not a pleasure in learning; for no one will love that
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Certainly not.
And again, if he is forgetful and retains nothing of what he learns, will he
not be an empty vessel?
That is certain.
Labouring in vain, he must end in hating himself and his fruitless
occupation? Yes.
D Then a soul which forgets cannot be ranked among genuine
philosophic natures; we must insist that the philosopher should have a good
memory?
Certainly.
And once more, the inharmonious and unseemly nature can only tend to
disproportion?
Undoubtedly.
And do you consider truth to be akin to proportion or to disproportion?
To proportion.
Then, besides other qualities, we must try to find a naturally well-
proportioned and gracious mind, which will move spontaneously towards
the true being of everything.
Certainly.
E Well, and do not all these qualities, which we have been enumerating,
go together, and are they not, in a manner, necessary to a soul, which is to
have a full and perfect participation of being? 184
487 They are absolutely necessary, he replied.
And must not that be a
Conclusion: What a blameless study then is philosophy!
blameless study which he only can pursue who has the gift of a good
memory, and is quick to learn,—noble, gracious, the friend of truth, justice,
courage, temperance, who are his kindred?
The god of jealousy himself, he said, could find no fault with such a
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And to men like him, I said, when perfected by years and education, and
to these only you will entrust the State.
B SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS. Nay, says Adeimantus, you can prove anything, but your hearers
are unconvinced all the same. Here Adeimantus interposed and said: To these
statements, Socrates, no one can offer a reply; but when you talk in this
way, a strange feeling passes over the minds of your hearers: They fancy
that they are led astray a little at each step in the argument, owing to their
own want of skill in asking and answering questions; these littles
accumulate, and at the end of the discussion they are found to have
sustained a mighty overthrow and all their former notions appear to be
turned upside down. And as unskilful players of draughts are at last shut up
by their more skilful adversaries and C have no piece to move, so they too
find themselves shut up at last; for they have nothing to say in this new
game of which words are the counters; and yet all the time they are in the
right. The observation is suggested to me by what is now occurring. For any
one of us might say, that although in words he is not able to meet you at
each step of the argument, he sees as a fact that the votaries of philosophy,
Common opinion declares philosophers to be either rogues or useless. when they carry on
the study, not only in youth as a part of D education, but as the pursuit of
their maturer years, most of them become strange monsters, not to say utter
rogues, and that those who may be considered the best of them are made
useless to the world by the very study which you extol.
Well, and do you think that those who say so are wrong?
I cannot tell, he replied; but I should like to know what is your opinion.
Socrates, instead of denying this statement, admits the truth of it. Hear my answer; I am
of opinion that they are quite right.
E Then how can you be justified in saying that cities will not cease from
evil until philosophers rule in them, when philosophers are acknowledged
by us to be of no use to them?
You ask a question, I said, to which a reply can only be given in a
parable. 185
Yes, Socrates; and that is a way of speaking to which you are not at all
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A parable.I perceive, I said, that you are vastly amused at having plunged
me into such a hopeless discussion; but now hear 488 the parable, and then
you will be still more amused at the meagreness of my imagination: for the
manner in which the best men are treated in their own States is so grievous
that no single thing on earth is comparable to it; and therefore, if I am to
plead their cause, I must have recourse to fiction, and put together a figure
made up of many things, like the fabulous unions of goats and stags which
are found in pictures. The noble captain whose senses are rather dull (the people in their
better mind); the mutinous crew (the mob of politicians); and the pilot (the true
philosopher). Imagine then a fleet or a ship in which there is B a captain who
is taller and stronger than any of the crew, but he is a little deaf and has a
similar infirmity in sight, and his knowledge of navigation is not much
better. The sailors are quarrelling with one another about the steering—
every one is of opinion that he has a right to steer, though he has never
learned the art of navigation and cannot tell who taught him or when he
learned, and will further assert that it cannot be taught, and they are ready to
cut in pieces any C one who says the contrary. They throng about the
captain, begging and praying him to commit the helm to them; and if at any
time they do not prevail, but others are preferred to them, they kill the
others or throw them overboard, and having first chained up the noble
captain’s senses with drink or some narcotic drug, they mutiny and take
possession of the ship and make free with the stores; thus, eating and
drinking, they proceed on their voyage in such manner as D might be
expected of them. Him who is their partisan and cleverly aids them in their
plot for getting the ship out of the captain’s hands into their own whether by
force or persuasion, they compliment with the name of sailor, pilot, able
seaman, and abuse the other sort of man, whom they call a good-for-
nothing; but that the true pilot must pay attention to the year and seasons
and sky and stars and winds, and whatever else belongs to his art, if he
intends to be really qualified for the command of a ship, and that he must
and E will be the steerer, whether other people like or not—the possibility
of this union of authority with the steerer’s art has never seriously entered
into their thoughts or been made 489 part 186 of their calling1. Now in
vessels which are in a state of mutiny and by sailors who are mutineers,
how will the true pilot be regarded? Will he not be called by them a prater, a
star-gazer, a good-for-nothing?
1 Or, applying ὅπως δὲ κυβερνήσει to the mutineers, ‘But only understanding
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considering that there is an art of command which may be practised in
combination with the pilot’s art.’

Of course, said Adeimantus.
The interpretation. Then you will hardly need, I said, to hear the
interpretation of the figure, which describes the true philosopher in his
relation to the State; for you understand already.
Certainly.
Then suppose you now take this parable to the gentleman who is
surprised at finding that philosophers have no honour in their cities; explain
it to him and try to convince him that B their having honour would be far
more extraordinary.
I will.
The uselessness of philosophers arises out of the unwillingness of mankind to make use of them.
Say to him, that, in deeming the best votaries of philosophy to be useless to
the rest of the world, he is right; but also tell him to attribute their
uselessness to the fault of those who will not use them, and not to
themselves. The pilot should not humbly beg the sailors to be commanded
by him—that is not the order of nature; neither are ‘the wise to go to the
doors of the rich’—the ingenious author of this saying told a lie—but the
truth is, that, when a man is ill, C whether he be rich or poor, to the
physician he must go, and he who wants to be governed, to him who is able
to govern. The ruler who is good for anything ought not to beg his subjects
to be ruled by him; although the present governors of mankind are of a
different stamp; they may be justly compared to the mutinous sailors, and
the true helmsmen to those who are called by them good-for-nothings and
star-gazers.
Precisely so, he said.
For these reasons, and
The real enemies of philosophy her professing followers.
among men like these, philosophy, the noblest pursuit of all, is not likely to
be much esteemed D by those of the opposite faction; not that the greatest
and most lasting injury is done to her by her opponents, but by her own
professing followers, the same of whom you 187 suppose the accuser to say,
that the greater number of them are arrant rogues, and the best are useless;
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Yes.
And the reason why the good are useless has now been explained?
True.
Then shall we proceed to show
The corruption of philosophy due to many causes.
that the corruption of the majority is also unavoidable, and that this is not to
be laid to E the charge of philosophy any more than the other?
By all means.
And let us ask and answer in turn, first going back to the 490 description
of the gentle and noble nature. Truth, as you will remember, was his leader,
whom he followed always and in all things; failing in this, he was an
impostor, and had no part or lot in true philosophy.
Yes, that was said.
Well, and is not this one quality, to mention no others, greatly at variance
with present notions of him?
Certainly, he said.
And have
But before considering this, let us re-enumerate the qualities of the philosopher:
we not a right to say in his defence, that the true lover of knowledge is
always striving after being—that is his nature; he will not rest in the
multiplicity of individuals B which is an appearance only, but will go on—
the keen edge will not be blunted, nor the force of his desire abate until he
have attained the knowledge of the true nature of every essence by a
sympathetic and kindred power in the soul, and by that power drawing near
and mingling and becoming incorporate with very being, having begotten
mind and truth, he will have knowledge and will live and grow truly, and
then, and not till then, will he cease from his travail.
Nothing, he said, can be more just than such a description of him.
And will
his love of essence, of truth, of justice, besides his other virtues and natural gifts.
the love of a lie be any part of a philosopher’s nature? Will he not utterly
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And when truth is the captain, we cannot suspect any evil of the band
which he leads?
Impossible. 188
Justice and health of mind will be of the company, and temperance will
follow after?
True, he replied.
Neither is there any reason why I should again set in array the
philosopher’s virtues, as you will doubtless remember that courage,
magnificence, apprehension, memory, were his natural gifts. And you
objected that, although no one could D deny what I then said, still, if you
leave words and look at facts, the persons who are thus described are some
of them manifestly useless, and the greater number utterly depraved; we
were then led to enquire into the grounds of these accusations, and have
now arrived at the point of asking why are the majority bad, which question
of necessity brought us back to the examination and definition of the true
philosopher.
E Exactly.
And we have next to
The reasons why philosophical natures so easily deteriorate.
consider the corruptions of the philosophic nature, why so many are spoiled
and so few escape spoiling—I am speaking of those who were said to be
491 useless but not wicked—and, when we have done with them, we will
speak of the imitators of philosophy, what manner of men are they who
aspire after a profession which is above them and of which they are
unworthy, and then, by their manifold inconsistencies, bring upon
philosophy, and upon all philosophers, that universal reprobation of which
we speak.
What are these corruptions? he said.
I will see if I can explain them to you. Every
(1) There are but a few of them;
one will admit that a nature having in perfection all the qualities B which
we required in a philosopher, is a rare plant which is seldom seen among
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And what numberless and powerful causes tend to destroy these rare
natures!
What causes?
In the first place
(2) and they may be distracted from philosophy by their own virtues;
there are their own virtues, their courage, temperance, and the rest of them,
every one of which praiseworthy qualities (and this is a most singular
circumstance) destroys and distracts from philosophy the soul which is the
possessor of them.
That is very singular, he replied. 189
C Then there are all the ordinary goods of life—beauty, wealth,
strength, rank, and great connections in the State—you understand and also,
(3), by the ordinary goods of life. the sort of things—these also have a corrupting
and distracting effect.
I understand; but I should like to know more precisely what you mean
about them.
Grasp the truth as a whole, I said, and in the right way; you will then
have no difficulty in apprehending the preceding remarks, and they will no
longer appear strange to you.
And how am I to do so? he asked.
D Why, I said, we know that all germs or seeds, whether vegetable or
animal, when they fail to meet with proper nutriment or climate or soil, in
proportion to their vigour, are all the more sensitive to the want of a suitable
environment, for evil is a greater enemy to what is good than to what is not.
Very true.
There is reason in
(4) The finer natures more liable to injury than the inferior.
supposing that the finest natures, when under alien conditions, receive more
injury than the inferior, because the contrast is greater.
Certainly.
E And may we not say, Adeimantus, that the most gifted minds, when
they are ill-educated, become pre-eminently bad? Do not great crimes and
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rather than from any inferiority, whereas weak natures are scarcely capable
of any very great good or very great evil?
There I think that you are right.
492 (5) They are not corrupted by private sophists, but compelled by the opinion of the world
meeting in the assembly or in some other place of resort. And our philosopher follows the
same analogy—he is like a plant which, having proper nurture, must
necessarily grow and mature into all virtue, but, if sown and planted in an
alien soil, becomes the most noxious of all weeds, unless he be preserved
by some divine power. Do you really think, as people so often say, that our
youth are corrupted by Sophists, or that private teachers of the art corrupt
them in any degree worth speaking of? Are not the public who say these
things B the greatest of all Sophists? And do they not educate to perfection
young and old, men and women alike, and fashion them after their own
hearts?
When is this accomplished? he said. 190
When they meet together, and the world sits down at an assembly, or in a
court of law, or a theatre, or a camp, or in any other popular resort, and
there is a great uproar, and they praise some things which are being said or
done, and blame other things, equally exaggerating both, shouting and
C clapping their hands, and the echo of the rocks and the place in which
they are assembled redoubles the sound of the praise or blame—at such a
time will not a young man’s heart, as they say, leap within him? Will any
private training enable him to stand firm against the overwhelming flood of
popular opinion? or will he be carried away by the stream? Will he not have
the notions of good and evil which the public in general have—he will do as
they do, and as they are, such will he be?
D Yes, Socrates; necessity will compel him.
And yet, I said, there is a still
(6) The other compulsion of violence and death.
greater necessity, which has not been mentioned.
What is that?
The gentle force of attainder or confiscation or death, which, as you are
aware, these new Sophists and educators, who are the public, apply when
their words are powerless.
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Now what opinion of any other Sophist, or of any private person, can be
expected to overcome in such an unequal contest?
E None, he replied.
No, indeed, I said, even to make
They must be saved, if at all, by the power of God.
the attempt is a great piece of folly; there neither is, nor has been, nor is
ever likely to be, any different type of character which has had no other
training in virtue but that which is supplied by public opinion2—I speak,
my friend, of human virtue only; what is more than human, as the proverb
says, is not included: for I would not have you ignorant that, in the present
evil state of governments, whatever is saved and comes to good is
493 saved by the power of God, as we may truly say.

2 Or, taking παρὰ in another sense, ‘trained to virtue on their principles.’

I quite assent, he replied.
Then let me crave your assent also to a further observation.
What are you going to say?
Why, that all those mercenary individuals, whom the many 191 call
Sophists and whom they deem to be their adversaries, do, in fact, teach
nothing but the opinion of the many, that is to say, the opinions of their
assemblies; and this is their wisdom. The great brute; his behaviour and temper (the
people looked at from their worse side). I might compare them to a man who should
study the tempers and desires of a mighty strong beast who is fed B by him
—he would learn how to approach and handle him, also at what times and
from what causes he is dangerous or the reverse, and what is the meaning of
his several cries, and by what sounds, when another utters them, he is
soothed or infuriated; and you may suppose further, that when, by
continually attending upon him, he has become perfect in all this, he calls
his knowledge wisdom, and makes of it a system or art, which he proceeds
to teach, although he has no real notion of what he means by the principles
or passions of which he is speaking, but calls this honourable and that
dishonourable, or good or evil, or just or unjust, all in accordance C with
the tastes and tempers of the great brute. Good he pronounces to be that in
which the beast delights and evil to be that which he dislikes; and he can
give no other account of them except that the just and noble are the
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others the nature of either, or the difference between them, which is
immense. By heaven, would not such an one be a rare educator?
Indeed he would.
And in what way does he who thinks that wisdom is D the discernment
of the tempers and tastes of the motley multitude, whether in painting or
music, or, finally, in politics, differ from him whom I have been describing?
He who associates with the people will conform to their tastes and will produce only what pleases
them. For when a man consorts with the many, and exhibits to them his poem
or other work of art or the service which he has done the State, making
them his judges3 when he is not obliged, the so-called necessity of Diomede
will oblige him to produce whatever they praise. And yet the reasons are
utterly ludicrous which they give in confirmation of their own notions about
the honourable and good. Did you ever hear any of them which were not?
3 Putting a comma after τῶν ἀνανγκαίων.

E No, nor am I likely to hear.
You recognise the truth of what I have been saying? Then 192 let me ask
you to consider further whether the world will ever be induced to believe in
the existence of absolute 494 beauty rather than of the many beautiful, or of
the absolute in each kind rather than of the many in each kind?
Certainly not.
Then the world cannot possibly be a philosopher?
Impossible.
And therefore philosophers must inevitably fall under the censure of the
world?
They must.
And of individuals who consort with the mob and seek to please them?
That is evident.
Then, do you see any way in which the philosopher can B be preserved
in his calling to the end? and remember what we were saying of him, that he
was to have quickness and memory and courage and magnificence—these
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Yes.
Will not
The youth who has great bodily and mental gifts will be flattered from his childhood,
such an one from his early childhood be in all things first among all,
especially if his bodily endowments are like his mental ones?
Certainly, he said.
And his friends and fellow-citizens will want to use him as he gets older
for their own purposes?
No question.
C Falling at his feet, they will make requests to him and do him honour
and flatter him, because they want to get into their hands now, the power
which he will one day possess.
That often happens, he said.
And what will a man such as he is be likely to do under such
circumstances, especially if he be a citizen of a great city, rich and noble,
and a tall proper youth? Will he not be full of boundless aspirations, and
fancy himself able to manage the affairs of Hellenes and of barbarians, and
having got such D notions into his head will he not dilate and elevate
himself in the fulness of vain pomp and senseless pride?
To be sure he will.
and being incapable of having reason, will be easily drawn away from philosophy. Now,
when he is in this state of mind, if some one gently comes to him and tells
him that he is a fool and must get 193 understanding, which can only be got
by slaving for it, do you think that, under such adverse circumstances, he
will be easily induced to listen?
Far otherwise.
And even if there be some one who through inherent E goodness or
natural reasonableness has had his eyes opened a little and is humbled and
taken captive by philosophy, how will his friends behave when they think
that they are likely to lose the advantage which they were hoping to reap
from his companionship? Will they not do and say anything to prevent him
from yielding to his better nature and to render his teacher powerless, using
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495 There can be no doubt of it.
And how can one who is thus circumstanced ever become a philosopher?
Impossible.
The very qualities which make a man a philosopher may also divert him from philosophy.
Then were we not right in saying that even the very qualities which make a
man a philosopher may, if he be ill-educated, divert him from philosophy,
no less than riches and their accompaniments and the other so-called goods
of life?
We were quite right.
Thus, my excellent friend, is brought about all that ruin and B failure
which I have been describing of the natures best adapted to the best of all
pursuits; they are natures which we maintain to be rare at any time; this
being the class out of which come the men who are the authors of the
greatest evil to States and individuals; Great natures alone are capable, either of great
good, or great evil. and also of the greatest good when the tide carries them in
that direction; but a small man never was the doer of any great thing either
to individuals or to States.
That is most true, he said.
And so philosophy is left desolate, with her marriage rite C incomplete:
for her own have fallen away and forsaken her, and while they are leading a
false and unbecoming life, other unworthy persons, seeing that she has no
kinsmen to be her protectors, enter in and dishonour her; and fasten upon
her the reproaches which, as you say, her reprovers utter, who affirm of her
votaries that some are good for nothing, and that the greater number deserve
the severest punishment. 194
That is certainly what people say.
Yes; and what else would you
The attractiveness of philosophy to the vulgar.
expect, I said, when you think of the puny creatures who, seeing this land
open to D them—a land well stocked with fair names and showy titles—
like prisoners running out of prison into a sanctuary, take a leap out of their
trades into philosophy; those who do so being probably the cleverest hands
at their own miserable crafts? For, although philosophy be in this evil case,
still there remains a dignity about her which is not to be found in the arts.
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whose souls are maimed and disfigured by their meannesses, as their bodies
are by their trades and crafts. Is not this unavoidable?
Yes.
Are they not exactly like a bald little tinker who has just got out of
durance and come into a fortune; he takes a bath and puts on a new coat,
and is decked out as a bridegroom going to marry his master’s daughter,
who is left poor and desolate?
496 A most exact parallel.
What will be the issue of such marriages? Will they not be vile and
bastard?
There can be no question of it.
And when persons who are unworthy of
The mésalliance of philosophy.
education approach philosophy and make an alliance with her who is in a
rank above them what sort of ideas and opinions are likely to be generated?
4Will they not be sophisms captivating to the ear, having nothing in them
genuine, or worthy of or akin to true wisdom?
4 Or, ‘will they not deserve to be called sophisms,’ ….

No doubt, he said.
Few are the worthy disciples: Then, Adeimantus, I said, the worthy disciples of
philosophy B will be but a small remnant: perchance some noble and well-
educated person, detained by exile in her service, who in the absence of
corrupting influences remains devoted to her; or some lofty soul born in a
mean city, the politics of which he contemns and neglects; and there may be
a gifted few who leave the arts, which they justly despise, and come to her;
—or peradventure there are some who are restrained C by our friend
Theages’ bridle; for everything in the life of Theages 195 conspired to divert
him from philosophy; but ill-health kept him away from politics. My own
case of the internal sign is hardly worth mentioning, for rarely, if ever, has
such a monitor been given to any other man. Those who belong to this
small class have tasted how sweet and blessed a possession philosophy is,
and these are unable to resist the madness of the world; and have also seen enough of the
madness of the multitude; and they know D that no politician is honest, nor
is there any champion of justice at whose side they may fight and be
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beasts—he will not join in the wickedness of his fellows, but neither is he
able singly to resist all their fierce natures, and therefore seeing that he
would be of no use to the State or to his friends, and reflecting that he
would have to throw away his life without doing any good either to himself
or others, he holds his peace, and goes his own way. they therefore in order to
escape the storm take shelter behind a wall and live their own life. He is like one who, in the
storm of dust and sleet which the driving wind hurries along, retires under
the shelter of a wall; and seeing the rest of mankind full of wickedness, he
is content, E if only he can live his own life and be pure from evil or
unrighteousness, and depart in peace and good-will, with bright hopes.
Yes, he said, and he will have done a great work before he departs.
A great work—yes; but not the greatest, unless he find 497 a State
suitable to him; for in a State which is suitable to him, he will have a larger
growth and be the saviour of his country, as well as of himself.
The causes why philosophy is in such an evil name have now been
sufficiently explained: the injustice of the charges against her has been
shown—is there anything more which you wish to say?
Nothing more on that subject, he replied; but I should like to know which
of the governments now existing is in your opinion the one adapted to her.
B Not any of them, I said; and that is
No existing State suited to philosophy.
precisely the accusation which I bring against them—not one of them is
worthy of the philosophic nature, and hence that nature is warped and
estranged;—as the exotic seed which is sown in a foreign land becomes
denaturalized, and is wont to be overpowered and to lose itself in the new
soil, even so this growth 196 of philosophy, instead of persisting,
degenerates and receives another character. But if philosophy ever finds in
the State C that perfection which she herself is, then will be seen that she is
in truth divine, and that all other things, whether natures of men or
institutions, are but human;—and now, I know, that you are going to ask,
What that State is:
No, he said; there you are wrong, for I was going to ask another question
—whether it is the State of which we are the founders and inventors, or
some other?
Yes, I replied, ours in
Even our own State requires the addition of the living authority.
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authority would always be required in the State having the same idea of
D the constitution which guided you when as legislator you were laying
down the laws.
That was said, he replied.
Yes, but not in a satisfactory manner; you frightened us by interposing
objections, which certainly showed that the discussion would be long and
difficult; and what still remains is the reverse of easy.
What is there remaining?
The question how the study of philosophy may be so ordered as not to be
the ruin of the State: All great attempts are attended with risk; ‘hard is the
good,’ as men say.
E Still, he said, let the point be cleared up, and the enquiry will then be
complete.
I shall not be hindered, I said, by any want of will, but, if at all, by a want
of power: my zeal you may see for yourselves; and please to remark in what
I am about to say how boldly and unhesitatingly I declare that States should
pursue philosophy, not as they do now, but in a different spirit.
In what manner?
498 At present, I
The superficial study of philosophy which exists in the present day.
said, the students of philosophy are quite young; beginning when they are
hardly past childhood, they devote only the time saved from moneymaking
and housekeeping to such pursuits; and even those of them who are reputed
to have most of the philosophic spirit, when they come within sight of the
great difficulty of the subject, I mean dialectic, take themselves off. In after
life when invited by some one else, they may, perhaps, go and hear a
lecture, and about this they make much ado, for philosophy is not
considered 197 by them to be their proper business: at last, when they grow
old, in most cases they are extinguished more B truly than Heracleitus’ sun,
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5 Heraclitus said that the sun was extinguished every evening and relighted
every morning.

But what ought to be their course?
Just the opposite. In childhood and youth their study, and what
philosophy they learn, should be suited to their tender years: during this
period while they are growing up towards manhood, the chief and special
care should be given to their bodies that they may have them to use in the
service of philosophy; as life advances and the intellect begins to mature, let
them increase the gymnastics of the soul; but when the strength of our
citizens fails and is past civil and C military duties, then let them range at
will and engage in no serious labour, as we intend them to live happily here,
and to crown this life with a similar happiness in another.
How truly in earnest you are, Socrates! he said; I am sure of that; and yet
most of your hearers, if I am not mistaken, are likely to be still more earnest
in their opposition to you, and will never be convinced; Thrasymachus once
more. Thrasymachus least of all.

Do not make a quarrel, I said, between Thrasymachus and D me, who
have recently become friends, although, indeed, we were never enemies; for
I shall go on striving to the utmost until I either convert him and other men,
or do something which may profit them against the day when they live
again, and hold the like discourse in another state of existence.
You are speaking of a time which is not very near.
The people hate philosophy because they have only known bad and conventional imitations of it.
Rather, I replied, of a time which is as nothing in comparison with eternity.
Nevertheless, I do not wonder that the many refuse to believe; for they have
never seen that of which we are now speaking realized; they have seen only
E a conventional imitation of philosophy, consisting of words artificially
brought together, not like these of ours having a natural unity. But a human
being who in word and work is perfectly moulded, as far as he can be, into
the proportion and likeness of virtue—such a man ruling in a city which
499 bears the same image, they have never yet seen, neither one nor many
of them—do you think that they ever did? 198
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No, my friend, and they have seldom, if ever, heard free and noble
sentiments; such as men utter when they are earnestly and by every means
in their power seeking after truth for the sake of knowledge, while they look
coldly on the subtleties of controversy, of which the end is opinion and
strife, whether they meet with them in the courts of law or in society.
They are strangers, he said, to the words of which you speak.
And this was what we foresaw, and this was the reason B why truth
forced us to admit, not without fear and hesitation, that neither cities nor
States nor individuals will ever attain perfection until the small class of
philosophers whom we termed useless but not corrupt are providentially
compelled, whether they will or not, to take care of the State, and until a
like necessity be laid on the State to obey them6; or until kings, or if not
kings, the sons of kings or princes, are divinely C inspired with a true love
of true philosophy. That either or both of these alternatives are impossible, I
see no reason to affirm: if they were so, we might indeed be justly ridiculed
as dreamers and visionaries. Am I not right?
6 Reading κατηκόῳ or κατηκόοις.

Quite right.
Somewhere, at some time, there may have been or may be a philosopher who is also the ruler of a
State. If then, in the countless ages of the past, or at the present hour in some
foreign clime which is far away and beyond D our ken, the perfected
philosopher is or has been or hereafter shall be compelled by a superior
power to have the charge of the State, we are ready to assert to the death,
that this our constitution has been, and is—yea, and will be whenever the
Muse of Philosophy is queen. There is no impossibility in all this; that there
is a difficulty, we acknowledge ourselves.
My opinion agrees with yours, he said.
But do you mean to say that this is not the opinion of the multitude?
I should imagine not, he replied.
O my friend, I said, do not attack the multitude: they will E change their
minds, if, not in an aggressive spirit, but gently 199 and with the view of
soothing them and removing their dislike of over-education, you show them
your philosophers as they really are and describe as you were just now
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of whom you are speaking is not such as they supposed—if they view him
in this new light, they will surely change their notion of him, and answer in
another strain7. Who can be at enmity with one who loves them, who that is
himself gentle and free from envy will be jealous of one in whom there is
no jealousy? Nay, let me answer for you, that in a few this harsh temper
may be found but not in the majority of mankind.
7 Reading ἦ καὶ ἐὰν οὕτω θεῶνται without a question, and ἀλλοίαν τοι: or,
retaining the question and taking ἀλλοίαν δόξαν in a new sense: ‘Do you mean to
say really that, viewing him in this light, they will be of another mind from
yours, and answer in another strain?’

I quite agree with you, he said.
B The feeling against philosophy is really a feeling against pretended philosophers who are
And do you not also think, as I do, that the harsh
always talking about persons.
feeling which the many entertain towards philosophy originates in the
pretenders, who rush in uninvited, and are always abusing them, and finding
fault with them, who make persons instead of things the theme of their
conversation? and nothing can be more unbecoming in philosophers than
this.
It is most unbecoming.
For he, Adeimantus, whose mind is fixed upon true being, has surely no
time to look down upon the affairs of earth, or C to be filled with malice
and envy, contending against men; his eye is ever directed towards things
fixed and immutable, which he sees neither injuring nor injured by one
another, but all in order moving according to reason; these he imitates, and
to these he will, as far as he can, conform himself. The true philosopher, who has
his eye fixed upon immutable principles, will fashion States after the heavenly image. Can a man
help imitating that with which he holds reverential converse?
Impossible.
And the philosopher holding converse with the divine order, becomes
orderly and divine, as far as the nature of D man allows; but like every one
else, he will suffer from detraction.
Of course. 200
And if a necessity be laid upon him of fashioning, not only himself, but
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beholds elsewhere, will he, think you, be an unskilful artificer of justice,
temperance, and every civil virtue?
Anything but unskilful.
And if the world perceives that what we are saying about E him is the
truth, will they be angry with philosophy? Will they disbelieve us, when we
tell them that no State can be happy which is not designed by artists who
imitate the heavenly pattern?
They will not be angry if they understand, he said. But 501 how will they
draw out the plan of which you are speaking?
They will begin by taking
He will begin with a ‘tabula rasa’ and there inscribe his laws.
the State and the manners of men, from which, as from a tablet, they will
rub out the picture, and leave a clean surface. This is no easy task. But
whether easy or not, herein will lie the difference between them and every
other legislator,—they will have nothing to do either with individual or
State, and will inscribe no laws, until they have either found, or themselves
made, a clean surface.
They will be very right, he said.
Having effected this, they will proceed to trace an outline of the
constitution?
No doubt.
B And when they are filling in the work, as I conceive, they will often
turn their eyes upwards and downwards: I mean that they will first look at
absolute justice and beauty and temperance, and again at the human copy;
and will mingle and temper the various elements of life into the image of a
man; and this they will conceive according to that other image, which, when
existing among men, Homer calls the form and likeness of God.
Very true, he said.
And one feature they will erase, and another they will put C in, until
they have made the ways of men, as far as possible, agreeable to the ways
of God?
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The enemies of philosophy, when they hear the truth, are gradually propitiated, And now, I
said, are we beginning to persuade those whom 201 you described as rushing
at us with might and main, that the painter of constitutions is such an one as
we are praising; at whom they were so very indignant because to his hands
we committed the State; and are they growing a little calmer at what they
have just heard?
Much calmer, if there is any sense in them.
D Why, where can they still find any ground for objection? Will they
doubt that the philosopher is a lover of truth and being?
They would not be so unreasonable.
Or that his nature, being such as we have delineated, is akin to the highest
good?
Neither can they doubt this.
But again, will they tell us that such a nature, placed under favourable
circumstances, will not be perfectly good and wise if any ever was? Or will
they prefer those whom we have rejected?
E Surely not.
Then will they still be angry at our saying, that, until philosophers bear
rule, States and individuals will have no rest from evil, nor will this our
imaginary State ever be realized?
I think that they will be less angry.
and at length become quite gentle. Shall we assume that they are not only less
angry but 502 quite gentle, and that they have been converted and for very
shame, if for no other reason, cannot refuse to come to terms?
By all means, he said.
There may have been one son of a king a philosopher who has remained uncorrupted and has a
State obedient to his will. Then let us suppose that the reconciliation has been
effected. Will any one deny the other point, that there may be sons of kings
or princes who are by nature philosophers?
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And when they have come into being will any one say that they must of
necessity be destroyed; that they can hardly B be saved is not denied even
by us; but that in the whole course of ages no single one of them can escape
—who will venture to affirm this?
Who indeed!
But, said I, one is enough; let there be one man who has a city obedient to
his will, and he might bring into existence the ideal polity about which the
world is so incredulous.
Yes, one is enough. 202
The ruler may impose the laws and institutions which we have been
describing, and the citizens may possibly be willing to obey them?
Certainly.
And that others should approve, of what we approve, is no miracle or
impossibility?
C I think not.
But we have sufficiently shown, in what has preceded, that all this, if
only possible, is assuredly for the best.
We have.
And now we say not only that our laws,
Our constitution then is not unattainable.
if they could be enacted, would be for the best, but also that the enactment
of them, though difficult, is not impossible.
Very good.
And so with pain and toil we have reached the end of one subject, but
more remains to be discussed;—how and by D what studies and pursuits
will the saviours of the constitution be created, and at what ages are they to
apply themselves to their several studies?
Certainly.
I omitted the troublesome business of the possession of
Recapitulation.
women, and the procreation of children, and the appointment of the rulers,
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difficult of attainment; but that piece of cleverness was not of much service
to me, E for I had to discuss them all the same. The women and children
are now disposed of, but the other question of the rulers must be
investigated from the very beginning. We were saying, as you will
remember, that they were to be lovers 503 of their country, tried by the test
of pleasures and pains, and neither in hardships, nor in dangers, nor at any
other critical moment were to lose their patriotism—he was to be rejected
who failed, but he who always came forth pure, like gold tried in the
refiner’s fire, was to be made a ruler, and to receive honours and rewards in
life and after death. This was the sort of thing which was being said, and
then the argument turned aside and veiled her face; not liking to B stir the
question which has now arisen.
I perfectly remember, he said.
Yes, my friend, I said, and I then shrank from hazarding 203 the bold
word; but now let me dare to say— The guardian must be a philosopher, and a
philosopher must be a person of rare gifts that the perfect guardian must be a
philosopher.
Yes, he said, let that be affirmed.
And do not suppose that there will be many of them; for the gifts which
were deemed by us to be essential rarely grow together; they are mostly
found in shreds and patches.
C What do you mean? he said.
You are aware, I replied, that
The contrast of the quick and solid temperaments.
quick intelligence, memory, sagacity, cleverness, and similar qualities, do
not often grow together, and that persons who possess them and are at the
same time high-spirited and magnanimous are not so constituted by nature
as to live orderly and in a peaceful and settled manner; they are driven any
way by their impulses, and all solid principle goes out of them.
Very true, he said.
On the other hand, those steadfast natures which can D better be
depended upon, which in a battle are impregnable to fear and immovable,
are equally immovable when there is anything to be learned; they are
always in a torpid state, and are apt to yawn and go to sleep over any
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Quite true.
They must be united. And yet we were saying that both qualities were
necessary in those to whom the higher education is to be imparted, and who
are to share in any office or command.
Certainly, he said.
And will they be a class which is rarely found?
Yes, indeed.
E Then the
He who is to hold command must be tested in many kinds of knowledge.
aspirant must not only be tested in those labours and dangers and pleasures
which we mentioned before, but there is another kind of probation which
we did not mention—he must be exercised also in many kinds of
knowledge, to see whether the soul will be able to endure the highest of all,
504 or will faint under them, as in any other studies and exercises.

Yes, he said, you are quite right in testing him. But what do you mean by
the highest of all knowledge?
You may remember, I said, that we divided the soul into three parts; and
distinguished the several natures of justice, temperance, courage, and
wisdom?
Indeed, he said, if I had forgotten, I should not deserve to hear more. 204
And do you remember the word of caution which preceded the discussion
of them8?
8 Cp. IV. 435 D.

To what do you refer?
We were
B The shorter exposition of education, which has been already given, inadequate.
saying, if I am not mistaken, that he who wanted to see them in their perfect
beauty must take a longer and more circuitous way, at the end of which they
would appear; but that we could add on a popular exposition of them on a
level with the discussion which had preceded. And you replied that such an
exposition would be enough for you, and so the enquiry was continued in
what to me seemed to be a very inaccurate manner; whether you were
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Yes, he said, I thought and the others thought that you gave us a fair
measure of truth.
C But, my friend, I said, a measure of such things which in any degree
falls short of the whole truth is not fair measure; for nothing imperfect is the
measure of anything, although persons are too apt to be contented and think
that they need search no further.
Not an uncommon case when people are indolent.
Yes, I said; and there cannot be any worse fault in a guardian of the State
and of the laws.
True.
The guardian must take the longer road of the higher learning, The guardian then, I said,
must be required to take the D longer circuit, and toil at learning as well as
at gymnastics, or he will never reach the highest knowledge of all which, as
we were just now saying, is his proper calling.
What, he said, is there a knowledge still higher than this—higher than
justice and the other virtues?
Yes, I said, there is. And of the virtues too we must behold not the outline
merely, as at present—nothing short of the most finished picture should
satisfy us. When little E things are elaborated with an infinity of pains, in
order that they may appear in their full beauty and utmost clearness, how
ridiculous that we should not think the highest truths worthy of attaining the
highest accuracy!
A right noble thought9; but do you suppose that we 205 shall refrain from
asking you what is this highest knowledge?
9 Or, separating καὶ μάλα from ἄξιον, ‘True, he said, and a noble thought’: or
ἄξιον τὸ διανόημα may be a gloss.

Nay, I said, ask if you will; but I am
which leads upwards at last to the idea of good.
certain that you have heard the answer many times, and now you either do
not understand me or, as I rather think, you are disposed to be
505 troublesome; for you have often been told that the idea of good is the
highest knowledge, and that all other things become useful and
advantageous only by their use of this. You can hardly be ignorant that of
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say, we know so little; and, without which, any other knowledge B or
possession of any kind will profit us nothing. Do you think that the
possession of all other things is of any value if we do not possess the good?
or the knowledge of all other things if we have no knowledge of beauty and
goodness?
Assuredly not.
But what is the good? Some say pleasure, others knowledge, which they absurdly explain to
mean knowledge of the good. You are further aware that most people affirm
pleasure to be the good, but the finer sort of wits say it is knowledge?
Yes.
And you are aware too that the latter cannot explain what they mean by
knowledge, but are obliged after all to say knowledge of the good?
How ridiculous!
C Yes, I said, that they should begin by reproaching us with our
ignorance of the good, and then presume our knowledge of it—for the good
they define to be knowledge of the good, just as if we understood them
when they use the term ‘good’—this is of course ridiculous.
Most true, he said.
And those who make pleasure their good are in equal perplexity; for they
are compelled to admit that there are bad pleasures as well as good.
Certainly.
And therefore to acknowledge that bad and good are the same?
D True.
There can be no doubt about the numerous difficulties in which this
question is involved.
There can be none.
Further, do we not see that many are willing to do or to 206 have or to
seem to be what is just and honourable without the reality; but no one is
satisfied with the appearance of good—the reality is what they seek; in the
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Very true, he said.
Every man pursues the good, but without knowing the nature of it. Of this then, which
every soul of man pursues and makes E the end of all his actions, having a
presentiment that there is such an end, and yet hesitating because neither
knowing 506 the nature nor having the same assurance of this as of other
things, and therefore losing whatever good there is in other things,—of a
principle such and so great as this ought the best men in our State, to whom
everything is entrusted, to be in the darkness of ignorance?
Certainly not, he said.
I am sure, I said, that he who does not know how the beautiful and the
just are likewise good will be but a sorry guardian of them; and I suspect
that no one who is ignorant of the good will have a true knowledge of them.
That, he said, is a shrewd suspicion of yours.
B And if we only have a guardian who has this knowledge our State
will be perfectly ordered?
Of course, he replied; but I wish that you
The guardian ought to know these things.
would tell me whether you conceive this supreme principle of the good to
be knowledge or pleasure, or different from either?
Aye, I said, I knew all along that a fastidious gentleman10 like you would
not be contented with the thoughts of other people about these matters.
10 Reading ἀνὴρ καλός: or reading ἀνὴρ καλῶς, ‘I quite well knew from the
very first, that you, &c.’

True, Socrates; but I must say that one who like you has passed a lifetime
in the study of philosophy should not be C always repeating the opinions
of others, and never telling his own.
Well, but has any one a right to say positively what he does not know?
Not, he said, with the assurance of positive certainty; he has no right to
do that: but he may say what he thinks, as a matter of opinion.
And do you not know, I said, that all mere opinions are bad, and the best
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without intelligence are only like blind men who feel their way along the
road?
Very true.
And do you wish to behold what is blind and crooked and D base, when
others will tell you of brightness and beauty?
Still, I must implore you, Socrates, said Glaucon, not to
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
turn away just as you are reaching the goal; if you will only give such an
explanation of the good as you have already given of justice and
temperance and the other virtues, we shall be satisfied.
We can only attain to the things of mind through the things of sense. The ‘child’ of the good.
Yes, my friend, and I shall be at least equally satisfied, but I cannot help
fearing that I shall fail, and that my indiscreet zeal will bring ridicule upon
me. No, sweet sirs, let us not E at present ask what is the actual nature of
the good, for to reach what is now in my thoughts would be an effort too
great for me. But of the child of the good who is likest him, I would fain
speak, if I could be sure that you wished to hear—otherwise, not.
By all means, he said, tell us about the child, and you shall remain in our
debt for the account of the parent.
507 I do indeed wish, I replied, that I could pay, and you receive, the
account of the parent, and not, as now, of the offspring only; take, however,
this latter by way of interest11, and at the same time have a care that I do not
render a false account, although I have no intention of deceiving you.
11 A play upon τόκος, which means both ‘offspring’ and ‘interest.’

Yes, we will take all the care that we can: proceed.
Yes, I said, but I must first come to an understanding with you, and
remind you of what I have mentioned in the course of this discussion, and at
many other times.
B What?
The old story, that there is a many beautiful and a many good, and so of
other things which we describe and define; to all of them the term ‘many’ is
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And there is an absolute beauty and an absolute good, and of other things
to which the term ‘many’ is applied there is an absolute; for they may be
brought under a single idea, which is called the essence of each.
Very true. 208
The many, as we say, are seen but not known, and the ideas are known
but not seen.
Exactly.
C And what is the organ with which we see the visible things?
The sight, he said.
And with the hearing, I said, we hear, and with the other senses perceive
the other objects of sense?
True.
But have you remarked that sight is by far
Sight the most complex of the senses,
the most costly and complex piece of workmanship which the artificer of
the senses ever contrived?
No, I never have, he said.
Then reflect; has the ear or voice need of any third or D additional
nature in order that the one may be able to hear and the other to be heard?
Nothing of the sort.
No, indeed, I replied; and the same is true of most, if not all, the other
senses—you would not say that any of them requires such an addition?
Certainly not.
But you see that without the addition of some other nature there is no
seeing or being seen?
How do you mean?
and, unlike the other senses, requires the addition of a third nature before it can be used. This
third nature is light. Sight being, as I conceive, in the eyes, and he who has eyes
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third nature specially adapted to the purpose, the owner of the eyes will see
nothing and the colours will be invisible.
Of what nature are you speaking?
Of that which you term light, I replied.
True, he said.
508 Noble, then, is the bond which links together sight and visibility,
and great beyond other bonds by no small difference of nature; for light is
their bond, and light is no ignoble thing?
Nay, he said, the reverse of ignoble.
And which, I said, of the gods in heaven would you say was the lord of
this element? Whose is that light which makes the eye to see perfectly and
the visible to appear? 209
You mean the sun, as you and all mankind say.
May not the relation of sight to this deity be described as follows?
How?
B Neither sight nor the eye in which sight resides is the sun?
No.
The eye like the sun, but not the same with it. Yet of all the organs of sense the eye
is the most like the sun?
By far the most like.
And the power which the eye possesses is a sort of effluence which is
dispensed from the sun?
Exactly.
Then the sun is not sight, but the author of sight who is recognised by
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And this is he whom I call the child of the good, whom the good begat in
his own likeness, to be in the visible world, in C relation to sight and the
things of sight, what the good is in the intellectual world in relation to mind
and the things of mind:
Will you be a little more explicit? he said.
Why, you know, I said, that the eyes, when a person directs them towards
objects on which the light of day is no longer shining, but the moon and
stars only, see dimly, and are nearly blind; they seem to have no clearness of
vision in them?
Very true.
D Visible objects are to be seen only when the sun shines upon them; truth is only known when
But when they are directed towards objects on
illuminated by the idea of good.
which the sun shines, they see clearly and there is sight in them?
Certainly.
And the soul is like the eye: when resting upon that on which truth and
being shine, the soul perceives and understands, and is radiant with
intelligence; but when turned towards the twilight of becoming and
perishing, then she has opinion only, and goes blinking about, and is first of
one opinion and then of another, and seems to have no intelligence?
Just so.
E Now,
The idea of good higher than science or truth (the objective than the subjective).
that which imparts truth to the known and the power of knowing to the
knower is what I would have you term the 210 idea of good, and this you
will deem to be the cause of science12, and of truth in so far as the latter
becomes the subject of knowledge; beautiful too, as are both truth and
knowledge, you will be right in esteeming this other nature 509 as more
beautiful than either; and, as in the previous instance, light and sight may be
truly said to be like the sun, and yet not to be the sun, so in this other
sphere, science and truth may be deemed to be like the good, but not the
good; the good has a place of honour yet higher.
12 Reading διανοοῦ.

What a wonder of beauty that must be, he said, which is the author of
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mean to say that pleasure is the good?
God forbid, I replied; but may I ask you to consider the image in another
point of view?
B In what point of view?
You would say, would you not, that the sun is not only the author of
visibility in all visible things, but of generation and nourishment and
growth, though he himself is not generation?
Certainly.
In like
As the sun is the cause of generation, so the good is the cause of being and essence.
manner the good may be said to be not only the author of knowledge to all
things known, but of their being and essence, and yet the good is not
essence, but far exceeds essence in dignity and power.
C Glaucon said, with a ludicrous earnestness: By the light of heaven,
how amazing!
Yes, I said, and the exaggeration may be set down to you; for you made
me utter my fancies.
And pray continue to utter them; at any rate let us hear if there is
anything more to be said about the similitude of the sun.
Yes, I said, there is a great deal more.
Then omit nothing, however slight.
I will do my best, I said; but I should think that a great deal will have to
be omitted.
I hope not, he said.
D You have to imagine, then, that there are two ruling 211 powers, and
that one of them is set over the intellectual world, the other over the visible.
I do not say heaven, lest you should fancy that I am playing upon the name
(οὐρανός, ὁρατός). May I suppose that you have this distinction of the
visible and intelligible fixed in your mind?
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The two spheres of sight and knowledge are represented by a line which is divided into two
Now take a line which has been cut into two unequal13 parts,
unequal parts.
and divide each of them again in the same proportion, and suppose the two
main divisions to answer, one to the visible and the other to the intelligible,
and then compare the subdivisions in respect of their clearness and want of
E clearness, and you will find that the first section in the 510 sphere of the
visible consists of images. And by images I mean, in the first place,
shadows, and in the second place, reflections in water and in solid, smooth
and polished bodies and the like: Do you understand?
13 Reading: ἄνισα.

Yes, I understand.
Imagine, now, the other section, of which this is only the resemblance, to
include the animals which we see, and everything that grows or is made.
Very good.
Would you not admit that both the sections of this division have different
degrees of truth, and that the copy is to the original as the sphere of opinion
is to the sphere of knowledge?
B Most undoubtedly.
Next proceed to consider the manner in which the sphere of the
intellectual is to be divided.
In what manner?
Thus:—There are two subdivisions, in the lower of
Images and hypotheses.
which the soul uses the figures given by the former division as images; the
enquiry can only be hypothetical, and instead of going upwards to a
principle descends to the other end; in the higher of the two, the soul passes
out of hypotheses, and goes up to a principle which is above hypotheses,
making no use of images14 as in the former case, but proceeding only in and
through the ideas themselves.
14 Reading ὧνπερ ἐκεῖνο εἰκόνων.

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C Then I will try again; you will understand
The hypotheses of mathematics.
me better when I have made some preliminary remarks. You are aware that
students of geometry, arithmetic, and the kindred sciences assume the odd
and the even and the figures and three kinds of angles and the like in their
several branches of science; these are their hypotheses, which they and
every body are supposed to know, and therefore they do not deign to give
any account of them either to themselves or others; D but they begin with
them, and go on until they arrive at last, and in a consistent manner, at their
conclusion?
Yes, he said, I know.
In both spheres hypotheses are used, in the lower taking the form of images, but in the higher the
soul ascends above hypotheses to the idea of good. And do you not know also that
although they make use of the visible forms and reason about them, they are
thinking not of these, but of the ideals which they resemble; not of the E
figures which they draw, but of the absolute square and the absolute
diameter, and so on—the forms which they draw or make, and which have
shadows and reflections in water of their own, are converted by them into
images, but they are really seeking to behold the things themselves, which
can only be seen with the eye of the mind?
511 That is true.
And of this kind I spoke as the intelligible, although in the search after it
the soul is compelled to use hypotheses; not ascending to a first principle,
because she is unable to rise above the region of hypothesis, but employing
the objects of which the shadows below are resemblances in their turn as
images, they having in relation to the shadows and reflections of them a
greater distinctness, and therefore a higher value.
BI understand, he said, that you are speaking of the province of
geometry and the sister arts.
And when I speak of the
Dialectic by the help of hypotheses rises above hypotheses.
other division of the intelligible, you will understand me to speak of that
other sort of knowledge which reason herself attains by the power of
dialectic, using the hypotheses not as first principles, but only as hypotheses
—that is to say, as steps and points of departure into a world which is above
hypotheses, in order that she may soar beyond them to the first principle of
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successive steps she descends again without the aid of 213 C any sensible
object, from ideas, through ideas, and in ideas she ends.
I understand you, he replied; not perfectly, for you seem to me to be
describing a task which is really tremendous; but, at any rate, I understand
you to say that knowledge and being, which the science of dialectic
contemplates, are clearer than the notions of the arts, as they are termed,
which proceed from hypotheses only: these are also contemplated by the
understanding, and not by the senses: yet, because D they start from
hypotheses and do not ascend to a principle, those who contemplate them
appear to you not to exercise the higher reason upon them, although when a
first principle is added to them they are cognizable by the higher reason.
Return to psychology. And the habit which is concerned with geometry and the
cognate sciences I suppose that you would term understanding and not
reason, as being intermediate between opinion and reason.
You have quite
Four faculties: Reason, understanding, faith, perception of shadows.
conceived my meaning, I said; and now, corresponding to these four
divisions, let there be four faculties in the soul—reason answering to the
highest, E understanding to the second, faith (or conviction) to the third,
and perception of shadows to the last—and let there be a scale of them, and
let us suppose that the several faculties have clearness in the same degree
that their objects have truth.
I understand, he replied, and give my assent, and accept your
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BOOK VII.

Steph.
514 Republic VII.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
The den, the prisoners; the light at a distance; AND now, I said, let me show in a figure
how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened:—Behold! human
beings living in a underground den, which has a mouth open towards the
light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their
childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move,
and B can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from
turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a
distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and
you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen
which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the
puppets.
I see.
the low wall, and the moving figures of which the shadows are seen on the opposite wall of the
den. And do you see, I said, men passing along the wall carrying C all sorts
of vessels, and statues and figures of animals 515 made of wood and stone
and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are
talking, others silent.
You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners.
Like ourselves, I replied; and they see only their own shadows, or the
shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the
cave?
True, he said; how could they see anything but the B shadows if they
were never allowed to move their heads?
And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would
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And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not
suppose that they were naming what was actually before them1? 215
1 Reading παρόντα.

Very true.
And suppose further that the
The prisoners would mistake the shadows for realities.
prison had an echo which came from the other side, would they not be sure
to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke that the voice which they heard
came from the passing shadow?
No question, he replied.
C To them, I said, the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows
of the images.
That is certain.
And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners
are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is
liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and
walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will
distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of D which in his
former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive some one saying
to him, that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is
approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real
existence, he has a clearer vision,—what will be his reply? And when released,
they would still persist in maintaining the superior truth of the shadows. And you may further
imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and
requiring him to name them,—will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy
that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are
now shown to him?
Far truer.
E And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a
pain in his eyes which will make him turn away to take refuge in the objects
of vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in reality
clearer than the things which are now being shown to him?
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And suppose once
When dragged upwards, they would be dazzled by excess of light.
more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and rugged ascent, and held
fast until he is forced into the presence of the sun himself, is he not likely to
be 516 pained and irritated? When he approaches the light his eyes will be
dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all of what are now called
realities.
Not all in a moment, he said.
He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the 216 upper world.
And first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and other
objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze upon
the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; B and he will
see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun
by day?
Certainly.
Last of all he will be able to
At length they will see the sun and understand his nature.
see the sun, and not mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him
in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as
he is.
Certainly.
He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the
years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and in a certain
way the cause of all C things which he and his fellows have been
accustomed to behold?
Clearly, he said, he would first see the sun and then reason about him.
And when he remembered his
They would then pity their old companions of the den.
old habitation, and the wisdom of the den and his fellow-prisoners, do you
not suppose that he would felicitate himself on the change, and pity them?
Certainly, he would.
And if they were in the habit of conferring honours among themselves on
those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark
which of them went before, and D which followed after, and which were
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future, do you think that he would care for such honours and glories, or
envy the possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer,

‘Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,’

and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their
manner?
E Yes, he said, I think that he would rather suffer anything than
entertain these false notions and live in this miserable manner.
But when they returned to the den they would see much worse than those who had never left it.
Imagine once more, I said, such an one coming suddenly 217 out of the sun
to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes
full of darkness?
To be sure, he said.
And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the
shadows with the prisoners who had never 517 moved out of the den, while
his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the
time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be
very considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that
up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not
even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead
him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put
him to death.
No question, he said.
The prison is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun. This entire allegory, I
said, you may now append, dear B Glaucon, to the previous argument; the
prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you
will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the
ascent of the soul into the intellectual world according to my poor belief,
which, at your desire, I have expressed—whether rightly or wrongly God
knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of
knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen C only with an
effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be the universal author of all
things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this
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intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act
rationally either in public or private life must have his eye fixed.
I agree, he said, as far as I am able to understand you.
Moreover, I said, you must not wonder that those who attain to this
beatific vision are unwilling to descend to human affairs; for their souls are
ever hastening into the D upper world where they desire to dwell; which
desire of theirs is very natural, if our allegory may be trusted.
Yes, very natural.
And is there
Nothing extraordinary in the philosopher being unable to see in the dark.
anything surprising in one who passes from divine contemplations to the
evil state of man, misbehaving 218 himself in a ridiculous manner; if, while
his eyes are blinking and before he has become accustomed to the
surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in courts of law, or in other
places, about the images or the shadows of images E of justice, and is
endeavouring to meet the conceptions of those who have never yet seen
absolute justice?
Anything but surprising, he replied.
518 The eyes may be blinded in two ways, by excess or by defect of light. Any one who
has common sense will remember that the bewilderments of the eyes are of
two kinds, and arise from two causes, either from coming out of the light or
from going into the light, which is true of the mind’s eye, quite as much as
of the bodily eye; and he who remembers this when he sees any one whose
vision is perplexed and weak, will not be too ready to laugh; he will first
ask whether that soul of man has come out of the brighter life, and is unable
to see because unaccustomed to the dark, or having turned from darkness to
the day is dazzled by excess of light. B And he will count the one happy in
his condition and state of being, and he will pity the other; or, if he have a
mind to laugh at the soul which comes from below into the light, there will
be more reason in this than in the laugh which greets him who returns from
above out of the light into the den.
That, he said, is a very just distinction.
But then, if I
The conversion of the soul is the turning round the eye from darkness to light.
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they can put a knowledge C into the soul which was not there before, like
sight into blind eyes.
They undoubtedly say this, he replied.
Whereas, our argument shows that the power and capacity of learning
exists in the soul already; and that just as the eye was unable to turn from
darkness to light without the whole body, so too the instrument of
knowledge can only by the movement of the whole soul be turned from the
world of becoming into that of being, and learn by degrees to endure the
sight of being, and of the brightest and best of being, or D in other words,
of the good.
Very true.
And must there not be some art which will effect conversion in the
easiest and quickest manner; not implanting 219 the faculty of sight, for that
exists already, but has been turned in the wrong direction, and is looking
away from the truth?
Yes, he said, such an art may be presumed.
The virtue of wisdom has a divine power which may be turned either towards good or towards
evil. And whereas the other so-called virtues of the soul seem to be akin to
bodily qualities, for even when they are not E originally innate they can be
implanted later by habit and exercise, the virtue of wisdom more than
anything else contains a divine element which always remains, and by this
conversion is rendered useful and profitable; or, on the other hand, hurtful
and useless. Did you never observe the narrow 519 intelligence flashing
from the keen eye of a clever rogue—how eager he is, how clearly his
paltry soul sees the way to his end; he is the reverse of blind, but his keen
eye-sight is forced into the service of evil, and he is mischievous in
proportion to his cleverness?
Very true, he said.
But what if there had been a circumcision of such natures in the days of
their youth; and they had been severed from those sensual pleasures, such
as eating and drinking, which, B like leaden weights, were attached to
them at their birth, and which drag them down and turn the vision of their
souls upon the things that are below—if, I say, they had been released from
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faculty in them would have seen the truth as keenly as they see what their
eyes are turned to now.
Very likely.
Yes, I said;
Neither the uneducated nor the overeducated will be good servants of the State.
and there is another thing which is likely, or rather a necessary inference
from what has preceded, that neither the uneducated and uninformed of the
truth, nor C yet those who never make an end of their education, will be
able ministers of State; not the former, because they have no single aim of
duty which is the rule of all their actions, private as well as public; nor the
latter, because they will not act at all except upon compulsion, fancying that
they are already dwelling apart in the islands of the blest.
Very true, he replied.
Then, I said, the business of us who are the founders of the State will be
to compel the best minds to attain that 220 knowledge which we have
already shown to be the greatest of all—they must continue to ascend until
they arrive at the good; D but when they have ascended and seen enough
we must not allow them to do as they do now.
What do you mean?
Men should ascend to the upper world, but they should also return to the lower. I mean that
they remain in the upper world: but this must not be allowed; they must be
made to descend again among the prisoners in the den, and partake of their
labours and honours, whether they are worth having or not.
But is not this unjust? he said; ought we to give them a worse life, when
they might have a better?
E You have again forgotten, my friend, I said, the intention of the
legislator, who did not aim at making any one class in the State happy
above the rest; the happiness was to be in the whole State, and he held the
citizens together by persuasion and necessity, making them benefactors of
the State, 520 and therefore benefactors of one another; to this end he
created them, not to please themselves, but to be his instruments in binding
up the State.
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The duties of philosophers. Observe, Glaucon, that there will be no injustice in
compelling our philosophers to have a care and providence of others; we
shall explain to them that in other States, men B of their class are not
obliged to share in the toils of politics: and this is reasonable, for they grow
up at their own sweet will, and the government would rather not have them.
Being self-taught, they cannot be expected to show any gratitude for a
culture which they have never received. But we have brought you into the
world to be rulers of the hive, kings of yourselves and of the other citizens,
and have educated you far better and more perfectly than they have been
educated, and you are better able to share in the double duty. Their obligations to
their country will induce them to take part in her government. C Wherefore each of you,
when his turn comes, must go down to the general underground abode, and
get the habit of seeing in the dark. When you have acquired the habit, you
will see ten thousand times better than the inhabitants of the den, and you
will know what the several images are, and what they represent, because
you have seen the beautiful and just and good in their truth. And thus our
State, which is also yours, will be a reality, and not a dream 221 only, and
will be administered in a spirit unlike that of other States, in which men
fight with one another about shadows only and are distracted in the struggle
for power, D which in their eyes is a great good. Whereas the truth is that
the State in which the rulers are most reluctant to govern is always the best
and most quietly governed, and the State in which they are most eager, the
worst.
Quite true, he replied.
And will our pupils, when they hear this, refuse to take their turn at the
toils of State, when they are allowed to spend the greater part of their time
with one another in the heavenly light?
E Impossible, he answered; for they
They will be willing but not anxious to rule.
are just men, and the commands which we impose upon them are just; there
can be no doubt that every one of them will take office as a stern necessity,
and not after the fashion of our present rulers of State.
Yes, my friend, I said; and there lies the point. You 521 must contrive for
your future rulers another and a better life than that of a ruler, and then you
may have a well-ordered State; The statesman must be provided with a better life than that
of a ruler; and then he will not covet office. for only in the State which offers this, will
they rule who are truly rich, not in silver and gold, but in virtue and
wisdom, which are the true blessings of life. Whereas if they go to the

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administration of public affairs, poor and hungering after their own private
advantage, thinking that hence they are to snatch the chief good, order there
can never be; for they will be fighting about office, and the civil and
domestic broils which thus arise will be the ruin of the rulers themselves
and of the whole State.
Most true, he replied.
B And the only life which looks down upon the life of political ambition
is that of true philosophy. Do you know of any other?
Indeed, I do not, he said.
And those who govern ought not to be lovers of the task? For, if they are,
there will be rival lovers, and they will fight.
No question.
Who then are those whom we shall compel to be guardians? Surely they
will be the men who are wisest about affairs of 222 State, and by whom the
State is best administered, and who at the same time have other honours and
another and a better life than that of politics?
They are the men, and I will choose them, he replied.
C And now shall we consider in what way such guardians will be
produced, and how they are to be brought from darkness to light,—as some
are said to have ascended from the world below to the gods?
By all means, he replied.
The process, I said, is not the turning over of an
The training of the guardians.
oyster-shell2, but the turning round of a soul passing from a day which is
little better than night to the true day of being, that is, the ascent from
below3, which we affirm to be true philosophy?
2 In allusion to a game in which two parties fled or pursued according as an
oyster-shell which was thrown into the air fell with the dark or light side
uppermost.

3 Reading οὖσαν ἐπάνοδον.

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And should we not enquire what sort of knowledge has the D power of
effecting such a change?
Certainly.
What sort of knowledge is there
What knowledge will draw the soul upwards?
which would draw the soul from becoming to being? And another
consideration has just occurred to me: You will remember that our young
men are to be warrior athletes?
Yes, that was said.
Then this new kind of knowledge must have an additional quality?
What quality?
Usefulness in war.
Yes, if possible.
There were two parts in our former scheme of education,
Recapitulation.
E were there not?

There were two parts in our former scheme of education, were there not? Just so.
There was gymnastic which presided over the growth and decay of the
body, and may therefore be regarded as having to do with generation and
corruption?
True.
522 Then that is not the knowledge which we are seeking to discover?
223

No.
But what do you say of music, which also entered to a certain extent into
our former scheme?
Music, he said, as you will remember, was the counterpart of gymnastic,
and trained the guardians by the influences of habit, by harmony making
them harmonious, by rhythm rhythmical, but not giving them science; and
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rhythm and harmony in them. But in music there was B nothing which
tended to that good which you are now seeking.
You are most accurate, I said, in your recollection; in music there
certainly was nothing of the kind. But what branch of knowledge is there,
my dear Glaucon, which is of the desired nature; since all the useful arts
were reckoned mean by us?
Undoubtedly; and yet if music and gymnastic are excluded, and the arts
are also excluded, what remains?
Well, I said, there may be nothing left of our special subjects; and then
we shall have to take something which is not special, but of universal
application.
What may that be?
C A something which all arts
There remains for the second education, arithmetic;
and sciences and intelligences use in common, and which every one first
has to learn among the elements of education.
What is that?
The little matter of distinguishing one, two, and three—in a word,
number and calculation:—do not all arts and sciences necessarily partake of
them?
Yes.
Then the art of war partakes of them?
To be sure.
D Then Palamedes, whenever he appears in tragedy, proves
Agamemnon ridiculously unfit to be a general. Did you never remark how
he declares that he had invented number, and had numbered the ships and
set in array the ranks of the army at Troy; which implies that they had never
been numbered before, and Agamemnon must be supposed literally to have
been incapable of counting his own feet—how could he if he was ignorant
of number? And if that is true, what sort of general must he have been? 224
I should say a very strange one, if this was as you say.
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Certainly he should, if he is to have the smallest understanding of
military tactics, or indeed, I should rather say, if he is to be a man at all.
I should like to know whether you have the same notion which I have of
this study?
What is your notion?
that being a study which leads naturally to reflection, for It appears to me to be a study
of the kind which we are 523 seeking, and which leads naturally to
reflection, but never to have been rightly used; for the true use of it is
simply to draw the soul towards being.
Will you explain your meaning? he said.
I will try, I said; and I wish you would share the enquiry with me, and say
‘yes’ or ‘no’ when I attempt to distinguish in my own mind what branches
of knowledge have this attracting power, in order that we may have clearer
proof that arithmetic is, as I suspect, one of them.
Explain, he said.
reflection is aroused by contradictory impressions of sense. I mean to say that objects
of sense are of two kinds; some B of them do not invite thought because
the sense is an adequate judge of them; while in the case of other objects
sense is so untrustworthy that further enquiry is imperatively demanded.
You are clearly referring, he said, to the manner in which the senses are
imposed upon by distance, and by painting in light and shade.
No, I said, that is not at all my meaning.
Then what is your meaning?
When speaking of uninviting objects, I mean those which C do not pass
from one sensation to the opposite; inviting objects are those which do; in
this latter case the sense coming upon the object, whether at a distance or
near, gives no more vivid idea of anything in particular than of its opposite.
An illustration will make my meaning clearer:—here are three fingers—a
little finger, a second finger, and a middle finger.
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You may suppose that they are seen quite close: And here comes the
point.
What is it?
No difficulty in simple perception. Each of them equally appears a finger,
whether seen in the D middle or at the extremity, whether white or black,
or thick or thin—it makes no difference; a finger is a finger all the same. In
these cases a man is not compelled to ask of thought the question what is a
finger? for the sight never intimates to the mind that a finger is other than a
finger.
True.
And therefore, I said, as we might expect, there is nothing E here which
invites or excites intelligence.
There is not, he said.
But the same senses at the same time give different impressions which are at first indistinct and
have to be distinguished by the mind. But is this equally true of the greatness and
smallness of the fingers? Can sight adequately perceive them? and is no
difference made by the circumstance that one of the fingers is in the middle
and another at the extremity? And in like manner does the touch adequately
perceive the qualities of thickness or thinness, of softness or hardness? And
so of the other senses; do they give perfect intimations of such matters?
524 Is not their mode of operation on this wise—the sense which is
concerned with the quality of hardness is necessarily concerned also with
the quality of softness, and only intimates to the soul that the same thing is
felt to be both hard and soft?
You are quite right, he said.
And must not the soul be perplexed at this intimation which the sense
gives of a hard which is also soft? What, again, is the meaning of light and
heavy, if that which is light is also heavy, and that which is heavy, light?
B Yes, he said, these intimations which the soul receives are very
curious and require to be explained.
The aid of numbers is invoked in order to remove the confusion. Yes, I said, and in these
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intelligence, that she may see whether the several objects announced to her
are one or two.
True.
And if they turn out to be two, is not each of them one and different?
Certainly. 226
And if each is one, and both are two, she will conceive the C two as in a
state of division, for if there were undivided they could only be conceived
of as one?
True.
The eye certainly did see both small and great, but only in a confused
manner; they were not distinguished.
Yes.
Whereas the thinking mind, intending to
The chaos then begins to be defined.
light up the chaos, was compelled to reverse the process, and look at small
and great as separate and not confused.
Very true.
Was not this the beginning of the enquiry ‘What is great?’ and ‘What is
small?’
Exactly so.
The parting of the visible and intelligible. And thus arose the distinction of the
visible and the intelligible.
D Most true.
This was what I meant when I spoke of impressions which invited the
intellect, or the reverse—those which are simultaneous with opposite
impressions, invite thought; those which are not simultaneous do not.
I understand, he said, and agree with you.
And to which class do unity and number belong?
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Think a little and you will
Thought is aroused by the contradiction of the one and many.
see that what has preceded will supply the answer; for if simple unity could
be adequately perceived by the sight or by any other sense, then, E as we
were saying in the case of the finger, there would be nothing to attract
towards being; but when there is some contradiction always present, and
one is the reverse of one and involves the conception of plurality, then
thought begins to be aroused within us, and the soul perplexed and wanting
to arrive at a decision asks ‘What is absolute unity?’ This 525 is the way in
which the study of the one has a power of drawing and converting the mind
to the contemplation of true being.
And surely, he said, this occurs notably in the case of one; for we see the
same thing to be both one and infinite in multitude?
Yes, I said; and this being true of one must be equally true of all number?
227

Certainly.
And all arithmetic and calculation have to do with number?
Yes.
B And they appear to lead the mind towards truth?
Yes, in a very remarkable manner.
Then this is
Arithmetic has a practical and also a philosophical use, the latter the higher.
knowledge of the kind for which we are seeking, having a double use,
military and philosophical; for the man of war must learn the art of number
or he will not know how to array his troops, and the philosopher also,
because he has to rise out of the sea of change and lay hold of true being,
and therefore he must be an arithmetician.
That is true.
And our guardian is both warrior and philosopher?
Certainly.
Then this is a kind of knowledge which legislation may fitly prescribe;
and we must endeavour to persuade those C who are to be the principal
men of our State to go and learn arithmetic, not as amateurs, but they must
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y y y y
nor again, like merchants or retail-traders, with a view to buying or selling,
but for the sake of their military use, and of the soul herself; and because
this will be the easiest way for her to pass from becoming to truth and
being.
That is excellent, he said.
Yes, I said, and now having spoken of it, I must add D how charming the
science is! and in how many ways it conduces to our desired end, if pursued
in the spirit of a philosopher, and not of a shopkeeper!
How do you mean?
The higher arithmetic is concerned, not with visible or tangible objects, but with abstract
numbers. I mean, as I was saying, that arithmetic has a very great and
elevating effect, compelling the soul to reason about abstract number, and
rebelling against the introduction of visible or tangible objects into the
argument. You know E how steadily the masters of the art repel and
ridicule any one who attempts to divide absolute unity when he is
calculating, and if you divide, they multiply4, taking care that one shall
continue one and not become lost in fractions. 228
4 Meaning either (1) that they integrate the number because they deny the
possibility of fractions; or (2) that division is regarded by them as a process of
multiplication, for the fractions of one continue to be units.

That is very true.
526 Now, suppose a person were to say to them: O my friends, what are
these wonderful numbers about which you are reasoning, in which, as you
say, there is a unity such as you demand, and each unit is equal, invariable,
indivisible,—what would they answer?
They would answer, as I should conceive, that they were speaking of
those numbers which can only be realized in thought.
Then you see that this knowledge may be truly called B necessary,
necessitating as it clearly does the use of the pure intelligence in the
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The arithmetician is naturally quick, and the study of arithmetic gives him still greater
quickness. And have you further observed, that those who have a natural
talent for calculation are generally quick at every other kind of knowledge;
and even the dull, if they have had an arithmetical training, although they
may derive no other advantage from it, always become much quicker than
they would otherwise have been.
Very true, he said.
CAnd indeed, you will not easily find a more difficult study, and not
many as difficult.
You will not.
And, for all these reasons, arithmetic is a kind of knowledge in which the
best natures should be trained, and which must not be given up.
I agree.
Let this then be made one of our subjects of education. And next, shall
we enquire whether the kindred science also concerns us?
You mean geometry?
Exactly so.
D Clearly, he said, we are concerned with
Geometry has practical applications;
that part of geometry which relates to war; for in pitching a camp, or taking
up a position, or closing or extending the lines of an army, or any other
military manoeuvre, whether in actual battle or on a march, it will make all
the difference whether a general is or is not a geometrician.
these however are trifling in comparison with that greater part of the science which tends towards
the good, Yes, I said, but for that purpose a very little of either geometry or
calculation will be enough; the question relates 229 rather to the greater and
more advanced part of geometry— E whether that tends in any degree to
make more easy the vision of the idea of good; and thither, as I was saying,
all things tend which compel the soul to turn her gaze towards that place,
where is the full perfection of being, which she ought, by all means, to
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Then if geometry compels us to view being, it concerns us; if becoming
only, it does not concern us?
527 Yes, that is what we assert.
Yet anybody who has the least acquaintance with geometry will not deny
that such a conception of the science is in flat contradiction to the ordinary
language of geometricians.
How so?
They have in view practice only, and are always speaking, in a narrow
and ridiculous manner, of squaring and extending and applying and the like
—they confuse the necessities of geometry with those of daily life; whereas
knowledge is the B real object of the whole science.
Certainly, he said.
Then must not a further admission be made?
What admission?
That the knowledge at which geometry aims is
and is concerned with the eternal.
knowledge of the eternal, and not of aught perishing and transient.
That, he replied, may be readily allowed, and is true.
Then, my noble friend, geometry will draw the soul towards truth, and
create the spirit of philosophy, and raise up that which is now unhappily
allowed to fall down.
Nothing will be more likely to have such an effect.
C Then nothing should be more sternly laid down than that the
inhabitants of your fair city should by all means learn geometry. Moreover
the science has indirect effects, which are not small.
Of what kind? he said.
There are the military advantages of which you spoke, I said; and in all
departments of knowledge, as experience proves, any one who has studied
geometry is infinitely quicker of apprehension than one who has not.
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Then shall we propose this as a second branch of knowledge which our
youth will study?
Let us do so, he replied.
D And suppose we make astronomy the third—what do you say?
I am
Astronomy, like the previous sciences, is at first praised by Glaucon for its practical uses.
strongly inclined to it, he said; the observation of the seasons and of months
and years is as essential to the general as it is to the farmer or sailor.
I am amused, I said, at your fear of the world, which makes you guard
against the appearance of insisting upon useless studies; and I quite admit
the difficulty of believing that in every man there is an eye of the soul
which, when by E other pursuits lost and dimmed, is by these purified and
re-illumined; and is more precious far than ten thousand bodily eyes, for by
it alone is truth seen. Now there are two classes of persons: one class of
those who will agree with you and will take your words as a revelation;
another class 528 to whom they will be utterly unmeaning, and who will
naturally deem them to be idle tales, for they see no sort of profit which is
to be obtained from them. And therefore you had better decide at once with
which of the two you are proposing to argue. You will very likely say with
neither, and that your chief aim in carrying on the argument is your own
improvement; at the same time you do not grudge to others any benefit
which they may receive.
I think that I should prefer to carry on the argument mainly on my own
behalf.
Then take a step backward, for we have gone wrong
Correction of the order.
in the order of the sciences.
What was the mistake? he said.
After plane geometry, I said, we proceeded at once to B solids in
revolution, instead of taking solids in themselves; whereas after the second
dimension the third, which is concerned with cubes and dimensions of
depth, ought to have followed.
That is true, Socrates; but so little seems to be known as yet about these
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Why, yes, I said, and for two reasons:—
The pitiable condition of solid geometry.
in the first place, no government patronises them; this leads to a want of
energy in the pursuit of them, and they are difficult; in the 231 second place,
students cannot learn them unless they have a director. But then a director
can hardly be found, and even C if he could, as matters now stand, the
students, who are very conceited, would not attend to him. That, however,
would be otherwise if the whole State became the director of these studies
and gave honour to them; then disciples would want to come, and there
would be continuous and earnest search, and discoveries would be made;
since even now, disregarded as they are by the world, and maimed of their
fair proportions, and although none of their votaries can tell the use of them,
still these studies force their way by their natural charm, and very likely, if
they had the help of the State, they would some day emerge into light.
D Yes, he said, there is a remarkable charm in them. But I do not clearly
understand the change in the order. First you began with a geometry of
plane surfaces?
Yes, I said.
And you placed astronomy next, and then you made a step backward?
Yes, and I have delayed you by my hurry; the ludicrous
The motion of solids.
state of solid geometry, which, in natural order, should have followed, made
me pass over this branch and go on to E astronomy, or motion of solids.
True, he said.
Then assuming that the science now omitted would come into existence
if encouraged by the State, let us go on to astronomy, which will be fourth.
The right order, he replied. And now,
Glaucon grows sentimental about astronomy.
Socrates, as you rebuked the vulgar manner in which I praised astronomy
529 before, my praise shall be given in your own spirit. For every one, as I
think, must see that astronomy compels the soul to look upwards and leads
us from this world to another.
Every one but myself, I said; to every one else this may be clear, but not
to me.
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I should rather say that those who elevate astronomy into philosophy
appear to me to make us look downwards and not upwards.
What do you mean? he asked. 232
You, I replied, have in your mind a truly sublime
He is rebuked by Socrates,
conception of our knowledge of the things above. And I dare B say that if a
person were to throw his head back and study the fretted ceiling, you would
still think that his mind was the percipient, and not his eyes. And you are
very likely right, and I may be a simpleton: but, in my opinion, that
knowledge only which is of being and of the unseen can make the soul look
upwards, and whether a man gapes at the heavens or blinks on the ground,
seeking to learn some particular of sense, I would deny that he can learn, for
C nothing of that sort is matter of science; his soul is looking downwards,
not upwards, whether his way to knowledge is by water or by land, whether
he floats, or only lies on his back.
I acknowledge, he said,
who explains that the higher astronomy is an abstract science.
the justice of your rebuke. Still, I should like to ascertain how astronomy
can be learned in any manner more conducive to that knowledge of which
we are speaking?
I will tell you, I said: The starry heaven which we behold is wrought
upon a visible ground, and therefore, D although the fairest and most
perfect of visible things, must necessarily be deemed inferior far to the true
motions of absolute swiftness and absolute slowness, which are relative to
each other, and carry with them that which is contained in them, in the true
number and in every true figure. Now, these are to be apprehended by
reason and intelligence, but not by sight.
True, he replied.
The spangled heavens should be used as a pattern and with a view to that
higher knowledge; their beauty is like E the beauty of figures or pictures
excellently wrought by the hand of Daedalus, or some other great artist,
which we may chance to behold; any geometrician who saw them would
appreciate the exquisiteness of their workmanship, but he would never
dream of thinking that in them he could find the true equal or the true
double, or the truth of any 530 other proportion.
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And will not a true astronomer have the same feeling when he looks at
the movements of the stars? Will he not think that heaven and the things in
heaven are framed by the 233 Creator of them in the most perfect manner?
But he will never imagine that the proportions of night and day, or of both
to the month, or of the month to the year, or of the B stars to these and to
one another, and any other things that are material and visible can also be
eternal and subject to no deviation—that would be absurd; and it is equally
absurd to take so much pains in investigating their exact truth.
I quite agree, though I never thought of this before.
The real knowledge of astronomy or geometry is to be attained by the use of abstractions.
Then, I said, in astronomy, as in geometry, we should employ problems, and
let the heavens alone if we would approach the subject in the right way and
so make the C natural gift of reason to be of any real use.
That, he said, is a work infinitely beyond our present astronomers.
Yes, I said; and there are many other things which must also have a
similar extension given to them, if our legislation is to be of any value. But
can you tell me of any other suitable study?
No, he said, not without thinking.
Motion, I said, has many forms, and not one only; two of D them are
obvious enough even to wits no better than ours; and there are others, as I
imagine, which may be left to wiser persons.
But where are the two?
There is a second, I said, which is the counterpart of the one already
named.
And what may that be?
The second, I said, would
What astronomy is to the eye, harmonics are to the ear.
seem relatively to the ears to be what the first is to the eyes; for I conceive
that as the eyes are designed to look up at the stars, so are the ears to hear
harmonious motions; and these are sister sciences—as the Pythagoreans
say, and we, Glaucon, agree with them?
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E But this, I said, is a laborious study, and therefore we had better go
and learn of them; and they will tell us whether there are any other
applications of these sciences. At the same time, we must not lose sight of
our own higher object.
What is that?
They must be studied with a view to the good and not after the fashion of the empirics or even of
the Pythagoreans. There is a perfection which all knowledge ought to reach, 234
and which our pupils ought also to attain, and not to fall short of, as I was
saying that they did in astronomy. 531 For in the science of harmony, as
you probably know, the same thing happens. The teachers of harmony
compare the sounds and consonances which are heard only, and their
labour, like that of the astronomers, is in vain.
Yes, by heaven! he said; and ’tis as good as a play to hear them talking
about their condensed notes, as they call them; they put their ears close
alongside of the strings like persons catching a sound from their
neighbour’s wall5—one set of them declaring that they distinguish an
intermediate note and have found the least interval which should be the unit
of measurement; the others insisting that the two sounds have passed into
the same—either party setting B their ears before their understanding.
5 Or, ‘close alongside of their neighbour’s instruments, as if to catch a sound
from them.’

You mean, I said, those gentlemen who tease and torture the strings and
rack them on the pegs of the instrument: I might carry on the metaphor and
speak after their manner of the blows which the plectrum gives, and make
accusations against the strings, both of backwardness and forwardness to
sound; but this would be tedious, and therefore I will only say that these are
not the men, and that I am referring to the Pythagoreans, of whom I was just
now proposing to enquire about harmony. For they too are in error, like the
C astronomers; they investigate the numbers of the harmonies which are
heard, but they never attain to problems—that is to say, they never reach the
natural harmonies of number, or reflect why some numbers are harmonious
and others not.
That, he said, is a thing of more than mortal knowledge.
A thing, I replied, which I would rather call useful; that is, if sought after
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useless.
Very true, he said.
All these studies must be correlated with one another. Now, when all these studies
reach the point of inter-communion D and connection with one another,
and come to be considered in their mutual affinities, then, I think, but not
till then, will the pursuit of them have a value for our objects; otherwise
there is no profit in them. 235
I suspect so; but you are speaking, Socrates, of a vast work.
What do you mean? I said; the prelude or what? Do you not know that all
this is but the prelude to the actual strain which we have to learn? For you
surely would not E regard the skilled mathematician as a dialectician?
Assuredly not, he said; I have hardly
Want of reasoning power in mathematicians.
ever known a mathematician who was capable of reasoning.
But do you imagine that men who are unable to give and take a reason
will have the knowledge which we require of them?
Neither can this be supposed.
532 And so, Glaucon, I
Dialectic proceeds by reason only, without any help of sense.
said, we have at last arrived at the hymn of dialectic. This is that strain
which is of the intellect only, but which the faculty of sight will
nevertheless be found to imitate; for sight, as you may remember, was
imagined by us after a while to behold the real animals and stars, and last of
all the sun himself. And so with dialectic; when a person starts on the
discovery of the absolute by the light of reason only, and without any
assistance of sense, and perseveres B until by pure intelligence he arrives
at the perception of the absolute good, he at last finds himself at the end of
the intellectual world, as in the case of sight at the end of the visible.
Exactly, he said.
Then this is the progress which you call dialectic?
True.
The gradual acquirement of dialectic by the pursuit of the arts anticipated in the allegory of the
den. But the release of the prisoners from chains, and their translation from
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underground den to the sun, while in his presence they are vainly trying to
look on animals and plants and the light of the sun, but are able to perceive
C even with their weak eyes the images6 in the water (which are divine),
and are the shadows of true existence (not shadows of images cast by a light
of fire, which compared with the sun is only an image)—this power of
elevating the highest principle in the soul to the contemplation of that which
is best in existence, with which we may compare the raising of that 236
faculty which is the very light of the body to the sight of that which is
brightest in the material and visible world—this power is given, as I was
saying, by all that study and pursuit D of the arts which has been described.
6 Omitting ἐνταῦθα δὲ πρὸς φαντάσματα. The word θεῖα is bracketed by
Stallbaum.

I agree in what you are saying, he replied, which may be hard to believe,
yet, from another point of view, is harder still to deny. This, however, is not
a theme to be treated of in passing only, but will have to be discussed again
and again. And so, whether our conclusion be true or false, let us assume all
this, and proceed at once from the prelude or preamble to the chief strain7,
and describe that in like manner. Say, then, what is the nature and what are
the divisions of E dialectic, and what are the paths which lead thither; for
these paths will also lead to our final rest.
7 A play upon the word νόμος, which means both ‘law’ and ‘strain.’

533 The nature of dialectic can only be revealed to those who have been students of the
Dear Glaucon, I said, you will not be able to follow me
preliminary sciences,
here, though I would do my best, and you should behold not an image only
but the absolute truth, according to my notion. Whether what I told you
would or would not have been a reality I cannot venture to say; but you
would have seen something like reality; of that I am confident.
Doubtless, he replied.
But I must also remind you, that the power of dialectic alone can reveal
this, and only to one who is a disciple of the previous sciences.
Of that assertion you may be as confident as of the last.
B And assuredly no one will argue that there is any other method of
comprehending by any regular process all true existence or of ascertaining
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with the desires or opinions of men, or are cultivated with a view to
production and construction, or for the preservation of such productions and
constructions; and as to the mathematical sciences which, as we were
saying, have some apprehension of true being—geometry and the like—
they only dream about C being, but never can they behold the waking
reality so long as they leave the hypotheses which they use unexamined,
and are unable to give an account of them. For when a man knows not his
own first principle, and when the conclusion 237 and intermediate steps are
also constructed out of he knows not what, how can he imagine that such a
fabric of convention can ever become science?
Impossible, he said.
which are her handmaids.Then dialectic, and dialectic alone, goes directly to
the first principle and is the only science which does away with hypotheses
in order to make her ground secure; the eye of D the soul, which is literally
buried in an outlandish slough, is by her gentle aid lifted upwards; and she
uses as handmaids and helpers in the work of conversion, the sciences
which we have been discussing. Custom terms them sciences, but they
ought to have some other name, implying greater clearness than opinion and
less clearness than science: and this, in our previous sketch, was called
understanding. But why E should we dispute about names when we have
realities of such importance to consider?
Why indeed, he said, when any name will do which expresses the thought
of the mind with clearness?
Two divisions of the mind, intellect and opinion, each having two subdivisions. At any rate,
we are satisfied, as before, to have four divisions; two for intellect and two
for opinion, and to call the first division science, the second understanding,
the third belief, and the fourth perception of shadows, opinion 534 being
concerned with becoming, and intellect with being; and so to make a
proportion:—
As being is to becoming, so is pure intellect to opinion.
And as intellect is to opinion, so is science to belief, and understanding to the perception of
shadows.

But let us defer the further correlation and subdivision of the subjects of
opinion and of intellect, for it will be a long enquiry, many times longer
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B As far as I understand, he said, I agree.
And do you also agree, I said, in describing the dialectician as one who
attains a conception of the essence of each thing? And he who does not
possess and is therefore unable to impart this conception, in whatever
degree he fails, may in that degree also be said to fail in intelligence? Will
you admit so much?
Yes, he said; how can I deny it?
No truth which does not rest on the idea of good And you would say the same of the
conception of the good? Until the person is able to abstract and define
rationally the 238 C idea of good, and unless he can run the gauntlet of all
objections, and is ready to disprove them, not by appeals to opinion, but to
absolute truth, never faltering at any step of the argument—unless he can do
all this, you would say that he knows neither the idea of good nor any other
good; he apprehends only a shadow, if anything at all, which is given by
opinion and not by science;—dreaming and slumbering in this life, before
he is well awake here, he D arrives at the world below, and has his final
quietus.
In all that I should most certainly agree with you.
And surely you would not have the children of your ideal State, whom
you are nurturing and educating—if the ideal ever becomes a reality—you
would not allow the future rulers to be like posts8, having no reason in
them, and yet to be set in authority over the highest matters?
8 γραμμάς, literally ‘lines,’ probably the starting-point of a race-course.

Certainly not.
Then you will make a law that they shall have such an education as will
enable them to attain the greatest skill in asking and answering questions?
E Yes, he said, you and I together will make it.
Dialectic, then, as you will agree, is the coping-
ought to have a high place.
stone of the sciences, and is set over them; no other science can be
535 placed higher—the nature of knowledge can no further go?

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But to whom we are to assign these studies, and in what way they are to
be assigned, are questions which remain to be considered.
Yes, clearly.
You remember, I said, how the rulers were chosen before?
Certainly, he said.
The same natures must still be chosen, and the preference again given to
the surest and the bravest, and, if possible, B to the fairest; and, having
noble and generous tempers, they should also have the natural gifts which
will facilitate their education.
And what are these?
The natural gifts which are required in the dialectician: a towardly understanding; a good
memory; strength of character; Such gifts as keenness and ready powers of
acquisition; for the mind more often faints from the severity of study 239
than from the severity of gymnastics: the toil is more entirely the mind’s
own, and is not shared with the body.
Very true, he replied.
C Further, he of whom we are in search should have a good memory,
and be an unwearied solid man who is a lover of labour in any line; or he
will never be able to endure the great amount of bodily exercise and to go
through all the intellectual discipline and study which we require of him.
Certainly, he said; he must have natural gifts.
The mistake at present is, that those who study philosophy have no
vocation, and this, as I was before saying, is the reason why she has fallen
into disrepute: her true sons should take her by the hand and not bastards.
What do you mean?
D industry;In the first place, her votary should not have a lame or
halting industry—I mean, that he should not be half industrious and half
idle: as, for example, when a man is a lover of gymnastic and hunting, and
all other bodily exercises, but a hater rather than a lover of the labour of
learning or listening or enquiring. Or the occupation to which he devotes
himself may be of an opposite kind, and he may have the other sort of
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Certainly, he said.
And as to truth, I said, is not a soul equally to be deemed
love of truth;
E halt and lame which hates voluntary falsehood and is extremely
indignant at herself and others when they tell lies, but is patient of
involuntary falsehood, and does not mind wallowing like a swinish beast in
the mire of ignorance, and has no shame at being detected?
To be sure.
536 the moral virtues.And, again, in respect of temperance, courage,
magnificence, and every other virtue, should we not carefully distinguish
between the true son and the bastard? for where there is no discernment of
such qualities states and individuals unconsciously err; and the state makes
a ruler, and the individual a friend, of one who, being defective in some part
of virtue, is in a figure lame or a bastard.
That is very true, he said.
All these things, then, will have to be carefully considered B by us; and
if only those whom we introduce to this vast 240 system of education and
training are sound in body and mind, justice herself will have nothing to say
against us, and we shall be the saviours of the constitution and of the State;
but, if our pupils are men of another stamp, the reverse will happen, and we
shall pour a still greater flood of ridicule on philosophy than she has to
endure at present.
That would not be creditable.
Certainly not, I said; and yet
Socrates plays a little with himself and his subject.
perhaps, in thus turning jest into earnest I am equally ridiculous.
In what respect?
C I had forgotten, I said, that we were not serious, and spoke with too
much excitement. For when I saw philosophy so undeservedly trampled
under foot of men I could not help feeling a sort of indignation at the
authors of her disgrace: and my anger made me too vehement.
Indeed! I was listening, and did not think so.
But I, who am the speaker, felt
For the study of dialectic the young must be selected.
that I was. And now let me remind you that, although in our former

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selection we D chose old men, we must not do so in this. Solon was under
a delusion when he said that a man when he grows old may learn many
things—for he can no more learn much than he can run much; youth is the
time for any extraordinary toil.
Of course.
And,
The preliminary studies should be commenced in childhood, but never forced.
therefore, calculation and geometry and all the other elements of
instruction, which are a preparation for dialectic, should be presented to the
mind in childhood; not, however, under any notion of forcing our system of
education.
Why not?
E Because a freeman ought not to be a slave in the acquisition of
knowledge of any kind. Bodily exercise, when compulsory, does no harm to
the body; but knowledge which is acquired under compulsion obtains no
hold on the mind.
Very true.
Then, my good friend, I said, do not use compulsion, but 537 let early
education be a sort of amusement; you will then be better able to find out
the natural bent.
That is a very rational notion, he said.
Do you remember that the children, too, were to be taken 241 to see the
battle on horseback; and that if there were no danger they were to be
brought close up and, like young hounds, have a taste of blood given them?
Yes, I remember.
The same practice may be followed, I said, in all these things—labours,
lessons, dangers—and he who is most at home in all of them ought to be
enrolled in a select number.
B At what age?
The necessary gymnastics must be completed first. At the age when the necessary
gymnastics are over: the period whether of two or three years which passes
in this sort of training is useless for any other purpose; for sleep and
exercise are unpropitious to learning; and the trial of who is first in

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gymnastic exercises is one of the most important tests to which our youth
are subjected.
Certainly, he replied.
At twenty years of age the disciples will begin to be taught the correlation of the sciences.
After that time those who are selected from the class of twenty years old
will be promoted to higher honour, and the C sciences which they learned
without any order in their early education will now be brought together, and
they will be able to see the natural relationship of them to one another and
to true being.
Yes, he said, that is the only kind of knowledge which takes lasting root.
Yes, I said; and the capacity for such knowledge is the great criterion of
dialectical talent: the comprehensive mind is always the dialectical.
I agree with you, he said.
At thirty the most promising will be placed in a select class. These, I said, are the
points which you must consider; D and those who have most of this
comprehension, and who are most steadfast in their learning, and in their
military and other appointed duties, when they have arrived at the age of
thirty have to be chosen by you out of the select class, and elevated to
higher honour; and you will have to prove them by the help of dialectic, in
order to learn which of them is able to give up the use of sight and the other
senses, and in company with truth to attain absolute being: And here, my
friend, great caution is required.
Why great caution?
E Do you not remark, I said, how great is the evil
The growth of scepticism
which dialectic has introduced? 242
What evil? he said.
The students of the art are filled with lawlessness.
Quite true, he said.
Do you think that there is anything so very unnatural or inexcusable in
their case? or will you make allowance for them?
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I want you, I said,
in the minds of the young illustrated by the case of a supposititious son,
by way of parallel, to imagine a supposititious son who is brought up in
great wealth; he 538 is one of a great and numerous family, and has many
flatterers. When he grows up to manhood, he learns that his alleged are not
his real parents; but who the real are he is unable to discover. Can you guess
how he will be likely to behave towards his flatterers and his supposed
parents, first of all during the period when he is ignorant of the false
relation, and then again when he knows? Or shall I guess for you?
If you please.
who ceases to honour his father when he discovers that he is not his father. Then I should
say, that while he is ignorant of the truth B he will be likely to honour his
father and his mother and his supposed relations more than the flatterers; he
will be less inclined to neglect them when in need, or to do or say anything
against them; and he will be less willing to disobey them in any important
matter.
He will.
But when he has made the discovery, I should imagine that he would
diminish his honour and regard for them, and would become more devoted
to the flatterers; their influence over him would greatly increase; he would
now live after C their ways, and openly associate with them, and, unless he
were of an unusually good disposition, he would trouble himself no more
about his supposed parents or other relations.
Well, all that is very probable. But how is the image applicable to the
disciples of philosophy?
In this way: you know that there are certain principles about justice and
honour, which were taught us in childhood, and under their parental
authority we have been brought up, obeying and honouring them.
That is true.
D There are also opposite maxims and habits of pleasure 243 which
flatter and attract the soul, but do not influence those of us who have any
sense of right, and they continue to obey and honour the maxims of their
fathers.
True.

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Now,
So men who begin to analyse the first principles of morality cease to respect them.
when a man is in this state, and the questioning spirit asks what is fair or
honourable, and he answers as the legislator has taught him, and then
arguments many and diverse refute his words, until he is driven into
believing that nothing is honourable any more than dishonourable, or
E just and good any more than the reverse, and so of all the notions which
he most valued, do you think that he will still honour and obey them as
before?
Impossible.
And when he ceases to think them honourable and natural 539 as
heretofore, and he fails to discover the true, can he be expected to pursue
any life other than that which flatters his desires?
He cannot.
And from being a keeper of the law he is converted into a breaker of it?
Unquestionably.
Now all this is very natural in students of philosophy such as I have
described, and also, as I was just now saying, most excusable.
Yes, he said; and, I may add, pitiable.
Therefore, that your feelings may not be moved to pity about our citizens
who are now thirty years of age, every care must be taken in introducing
them to dialectic.
Certainly.
B Young men are fond of pulling truth to pieces and thus bring disgrace upon themselves and
upon philosophy.There is a danger lest they should taste the dear delight too
early; for youngsters, as you may have observed, when they first get the
taste in their mouths, argue for amusement, and are always contradicting
and refuting others in imitation of those who refute them; like puppy-dogs,
they rejoice in pulling and tearing at all who come near them.
Yes, he said, there is nothing which they like better.
And when they have made many conquests and received C defeats at the
hands of many, they violently and speedily get into a way of not believing
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philosophy and all that 244 relates to it is apt to have a bad name with the
rest of the world.
Too true, he said.
But when a man begins to get older, he will no
The dialectician and the eristic.
longer be guilty of such insanity; he will imitate the dialectician who is
seeking for truth, and not the eristic, who is contradicting for the sake of
amusement; and the greater moderation of his D character will increase
instead of diminishing the honour of the pursuit.
Very true, he said.
And did we not make special provision for this, when we said that the
disciples of philosophy were to be orderly and steadfast, not, as now, any
chance aspirant or intruder?
Very true.
Suppose, I said, the study of philosophy to take the place of gymnastics
and to be continued diligently and earnestly and exclusively for twice the
number of years which were passed in bodily exercise—will that be
enough?
E Would you say six or four years? he asked.
Say five years, I replied; at
The study of philosophy to continue for five years; 30–35.
the end of the time they must be sent down again into the den and
compelled to hold any military or other office which young men are
qualified to hold: in this way they will get their experience of life, and there
will be an opportunity of trying whether, when they are drawn all manner of
ways by temptation, they will stand firm or flinch.
540 And how long is this stage of their lives to last?
Fifteen years, I answered; and
During fifteen years, 35–50, they are to hold office.
when they have reached fifty years of age, then let those who still survive
and have distinguished themselves in every action of their lives and in every
branch of knowledge come at last to their consummation: the time has now
arrived at which they must raise the eye of the soul to the universal light
which lightens all things, and behold the absolute good; for that is the
pattern according to which they are to order the State and the B lives of
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their chief pursuit, At the end of that time they are to live chiefly in the contemplation of the
good, but occasionally to return to politics. but, when their turn comes, toiling also at
politics and ruling for the public good, not as though they were performing
some heroic 245 action, but simply as a matter of duty; and when they have
brought up in each generation others like themselves and left them in their
place to be governors of the State, then they will depart to the Islands of the
Blest and dwell there; and the city will give them public memorials and
sacrifices C and honour them, if the Pythian oracle consent, as demigods,
but if not, as in any case blessed and divine.
You are a sculptor, Socrates, and have made statues of our governors
faultless in beauty.
Yes, I said, Glaucon, and of our governesses too; for you must not
suppose that what I have been saying applies to men only and not to women
as far as their natures can go.
There you are right, he said, since we have made them to share in all
things like the men.
D Well, I said, and you would agree (would you not?) that what has
been said about the State and the government is not a mere dream, and
although difficult not impossible, but only possible in the way which has
been supposed; that is to say, when the true philosopher kings are born in a
State, one or more of them, despising the honours of this present world
which they deem mean and worthless, esteeming above all things right and
the honour E that springs from right, and regarding justice as the greatest
and most necessary of all things, whose ministers they are, and whose
principles will be exalted by them when they set in order their own city?
How will they proceed?
Practical measures for the speedy foundation of the State. They will begin by sending
out into the country all the 541 inhabitants of the city who are more than
ten years old, and will take possession of their children, who will be
unaffected by the habits of their parents; these they will train in their own
habits and laws, I mean in the laws which we have given them: and in this
way the State and constitution of which we were speaking will soonest and
most easily attain happiness, and the nation which has such a constitution
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Yes, that will be the best way. And I think, Socrates, B that you have
very well described how, if ever, such a constitution might come into being.
246

Enough then of the perfect State, and of the man who bears its image—
there is no difficulty in seeing how we shall describe him.
There is no difficulty, he replied; and I agree with you in thinking that
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BOOK VIII.

Steph.
543 Republic VIII.
SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
AND so, Glaucon, we have arrived at the conclusion
Recapitulation of Book V.
that in the perfect State wives and children are to be in common; and that all
education and the pursuits of war and peace are also to be common, and the
best philosophers and the bravest warriors are to be their kings?
That, replied Glaucon, has been acknowledged.
Yes, I said; and we have further acknowledged that the governors,
B
when appointed themselves, will take their soldiers and place them in
houses such as we were describing, which are common to all, and contain
nothing private, or individual; and about their property, you remember what
we agreed?
Yes, I remember that no one was to have any of the ordinary possessions
of mankind; they were to be warrior C athletes and guardians, receiving
from the other citizens, in lieu of annual payment, only their maintenance,
and they were to take care of themselves and of the whole State.
True, I said; and now that this division of our task is concluded, let us
find the point at which we digressed, that we may return into the old path.
There is no difficulty in returning; you implied,
Return to the end of Book IV.
then as now, that you had finished the description of the State: you said that
such a State was good, and that the man was good D who answered to it,
although, as now appears, you had more 544 excellent things to relate both
of State and man. And you said further, that if this was the true form, then
the others were false; and of the false forms, you said, as I remember, that
there were four principal ones, and that their defects, and the defects of the
individuals corresponding to them, were worth examining. When we had
seen all the individuals, and finally agreed as to who was the best and who
was the worst 248 of them, we were to consider whether the best was not
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the four forms of government of which B you spoke, and then Polemarchus
and Adeimantus put in their word; and you began again, and have found
your way to the point at which we have now arrived.
Your recollection, I said, is most exact.
Then, like a wrestler, he replied, you must put yourself again in the same
position; and let me ask the same questions, and do you give me the same
answer which you were about to give me then.
Yes, if I can, I will, I said.
I shall particularly wish to hear what were the four constitutions of which
you were speaking.
C That
Four imperfect constitutions, the Cretan or Spartan, Oligarchy, Democracy, Tyranny.
question, I said, is easily answered: the four governments of which I spoke,
so far as they have distinct names, are, first, those of Crete and Sparta,
which are generally applauded; what is termed oligarchy comes next; this is
not equally approved, and is a form of government which teems with evils:
thirdly, democracy, which naturally follows oligarchy, although very
different: and lastly comes tyranny, great and famous, which differs from
them all, and is the fourth and worst disorder of a State. I do not know, do
you? of any other constitution which can be said to have a distinct character.
D There are lordships and principalities which are bought and sold, and
some other intermediate forms of government. But these are nondescripts
and may be found equally among Hellenes and among barbarians.
Yes, he replied, we certainly hear of many curious forms of government
which exist among them.
Do you know, I said, that
States are like men, because they are made up of men.
governments vary as the dispositions of men vary, and that there must be as
many of the one as there are of the other? For we cannot suppose that States
are made of ‘oak and rock,’ and not out of the human natures which are in
them, and which in a figure E turn the scale and draw other things after
them?
Yes, he said, the States are as the men are; they grow out of human
characters.
Then if the constitutions of States are five, the dispositions of individual
minds will also be five? 249

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Certainly.
Him who answers to aristocracy, and whom we rightly 545 call just and
good, we have already described.
We have.
Then let us now proceed to describe the inferior sort of natures, being the
contentious and ambitious, who answer to the Spartan polity; also the
oligarchical, democratical, and tyrannical. Let us place the most just by the
side of the most unjust, and when we see them we shall be able to compare
the relative happiness or unhappiness of him who leads a life of pure justice
or pure injustice. The enquiry will then be completed. And we shall know
whether we ought to pursue injustice, as Thrasymachus advises, or B in
accordance with the conclusions of the argument to prefer justice.
Certainly, he replied, we must do as you say.
Shall we follow our old plan, which we adopted
The State and the individual.
with a view to clearness, of taking the State first and then proceeding to the
individual, and begin with the government of honour?—I know of no name
for such a government other than timocracy, or perhaps timarchy. We will
compare with this the like character in the individual; and, after that,
C consider oligarchy and the oligarchical man; and then again we will turn
our attention to democracy and the democratical man; and lastly, we will go
and view the city of tyranny, and once more take a look into the tyrant’s
soul, and try to arrive at a satisfactory decision.
That way of viewing and judging of the matter will be very suitable.
First, then, I said, let us enquire how
How timocracy arises out of aristocracy.
timocracy (the government of honour) arises out of aristocracy (the
government D of the best). Clearly, all political changes originate in
divisions of the actual governing power; a government which is united,
however small, cannot be moved.
Very true, he said.
In what way, then, will our city be moved, and in what manner will the
two classes of auxiliaries and rulers disagree among themselves or with one
another? Shall we, after the manner of Homer, pray the Muses to tell us
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to play and jest with us as if we were children, and to address us in a lofty
tragic vein, making believe to be in earnest?
How would they address us?
546 After this manner:—A city which is thus constituted can hardly be
shaken; but, seeing that everything which has a beginning has also an end,
even a constitution such as yours will not last for ever, but will in time be
dissolved. And this is the dissolution:—In plants that grow in the earth, as
well as in animals that move on the earth’s surface, fertility and sterility of
soul and body occur when the circumferences of the circles of each are
completed, which in short-lived existences pass over a short space, and in
long-lived ones over a long space. The intelligence which is alloyed with sense will not
know how to regulate births and deaths in accordance with the number which controls them. But to
the knowledge of human fecundity and sterility all the wisdom and
education of your rulers will not attain; B the laws which regulate them
will not be discovered by an intelligence which is alloyed with sense, but
will escape them, and they will bring children into the world when they
ought not. Now that which is of divine birth has a period which is contained
in a perfect number,1 but the period of human birth is comprehended in a
number in which first increments by involution and evolution [or squared
and cubed] obtaining three intervals and four terms of like and unlike,
waxing and waning numbers, make all the terms C commensurable and
agreeable to one another.2 The base of these (3) with a third added (4) when
combined with five (20) and raised to the third power furnishes two
harmonies; the first a square which is a hundred times as great (400 =
4 × 100),3 and the other a figure having one side equal to the former, but
oblong,4 consisting of a hundred numbers squared upon rational diameters
of a square (i.e. omitting fractions), the side of which is five (7 × 7 =
49 × 100 = 4900), each of them 251 being less by one (than the perfect
square which includes the fractions, sc. 50) or less by5 two perfect squares
of irrational diameters (of a square the side of which is five = 50 + 50 =
100); and a hundred cubes of three (27 × 100 = 2700 + 4900 + 400 = 8000).
Now this number represents a geometrical figure which has control over
D the good and evil of births. For when your guardians are ignorant of the
law of births, and unite bride and bridegroom out of season, the children
will not be goodly or fortunate. And though only the best of them will be
appointed by their predecessors, still they will be unworthy to hold their
fathers’ places, and when they come into power as guardians, they will soon
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music; which neglect will soon extend to gymnastic; and hence the young
men of your State will be less cultivated. In the succeeding generation
rulers will be appointed who have lost the guardian power of testing the
metal of your E different races, which, like Hesiod’s, are of gold and silver
547 and brass and iron. And so iron will be mingled with silver, and brass
with gold, and hence there will arise dissimilarity and inequality and
irregularity, which always and in all places are causes of hatred and war.
This the Muses affirm to be the stock from which discord has sprung,
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1 i.e. a cyclical number, such as 6, which is equal to the sum of its divisors 1, 2,
3, so that when the circle or time represented by 6 is completed, the lesser times
or rotations represented by 1, 2, 3 are also completed.

2 Probably the numbers 3, 4, 5, 6 of which the three first = the sides of the
Pythagorean triangle. The terms will then be 33, 43, 53, which together = 63 = 216.

3 Or the first a square which is 100 × 100 = 10,000. The whole number will
then be 17,500 = a square of 100, and an oblong of 100 by 75.

4 Reading προμήκη δέ.

5 Or, ‘consisting of two numbers squared upon irrational diameters,’ &c. = 100.
For other explanations of the passage see Introduction.

Yes, and we may assume that they answer truly.
Why, yes, I said, of course they answer truly; how can the Muses speak
falsely?
B And what do the Muses say next?
When discord
Then discord arose and individual took the place of common property.
arose, then the two races were drawn different ways: the iron and brass fell
to acquiring money and land and houses and gold and silver; but the gold
and silver races, not wanting money but having the true riches in their own
nature, inclined towards virtue and the ancient order of things. There was a
battle between them, and at last they agreed to distribute their land and
houses among C individual owners; and they enslaved their friends and
maintainers, whom they had formerly protected in the condition of freemen,
and made of them subjects and servants; and 252 they themselves were
engaged in war and in keeping a watch against them.
I believe that you have rightly conceived the origin of the change.
And the new government which thus arises will be of a form intermediate
between oligarchy and aristocracy?
Very true.
Such will be the change, and after the change has been made, D how
will they proceed? Clearly, the new State, being in a mean between
oligarchy and the perfect State, will partly follow one and partly the other,
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True, he said.
In the honour given to rulers, in the abstinence of the warrior class from
agriculture, handicrafts, and trade in general, in the institution of common
meals, and in the attention paid to gymnastics and military training—in all
these respects this State will resemble the former.
True.
E Timocracy will retain the military and reject the philosophical character of the perfect State.
But in the fear of admitting philosophers to power, because they are no
longer to be had simple and earnest, but are made up of mixed elements;
and in turning from them to passionate and less complex characters, who
are by nature 548 fitted for war rather than peace; and in the value set by
them upon military stratagems and contrivances, and in the waging of
everlasting wars—this State will be for the most part peculiar.
Yes.
Yes, I said; and men of this stamp will be
The soldier class miserly and covetous.
covetous of money, like those who live in oligarchies; they will have, a
fierce secret longing after gold and silver, which they will hoard in dark
places, having magazines and treasuries of their own for the deposit and
concealment of them; also castles which are just nests for their eggs, and in
which they B will spend large sums on their wives, or on any others whom
they please.
That is most true, he said.
And they are miserly because they have no means of openly acquiring the
money which they prize; they will spend that which is another man’s on the
gratification of 253 their desires, stealing their pleasures and running away
like children from the law, their father: they have been schooled not by
gentle influences but by force, for they have neglected her who is the true
Muse, the companion of reason and C philosophy, and have honoured
gymnastic more than music.
Undoubtedly, he said, the form of government which you describe is a
mixture of good and evil.
Why, there is a mixture, I said;
The spirit of ambition predominates in such States.
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contention and ambition; and these are due to the prevalence of the
passionate or spirited element.
Assuredly, he said.
Such is the origin and such the character of this State, which has been
described in outline only; the more perfect D execution was not required,
for a sketch is enough to show the type of the most perfectly just and most
perfectly unjust; and to go through all the States and all the characters of
men, omitting none of them, would be an interminable labour.
Very true, he replied.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.
The timocratic man, uncultured, but fond of culture, ambitious, contentious, rough with slaves, and
courteous to freemen; a soldier, athlete, hunter; a despiser of riches while young, fond of them when
he grows old. Now what man answers to this form of government—how did
he come into being, and what is he like?
I think, said Adeimantus, that in the spirit of contention which
characterises him, he is not unlike our friend Glaucon.
E Perhaps, I said, he may be like him in that one point; but there are
other respects in which he is very different.
In what respects?
He should have more of self-assertion and be less cultivated, and yet a
friend of culture; and he should be a good 549 listener, but no speaker. Such
a person is apt to be rough with slaves, unlike the educated man, who is too
proud for that; and he will also be courteous to freemen, and remarkably
obedient to authority; he is a lover of power and a lover of honour; claiming
to be a ruler, not because he is eloquent, or on any ground of that sort, but
because he is a soldier and has performed feats of arms; he is also a lover of
gymnastic exercises and of the chase.
Yes, that is the type of character which answers to timocracy.
Such an one will despise riches only when he is young; 254 B but as he
gets older he will be more and more attracted to them, because he has a
piece of the avaricious nature in him, and is not single-minded towards
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Who was that? said Adeimantus.
Philosophy, I said, tempered with music, who comes and takes up her
abode in a man, and is the only saviour of his virtue throughout life.
Good, he said.
Such, I said, is the timocratical youth, and he is like the timocratical
State.
C Exactly.
His origin is as follows:—He is often the young son of a brave father,
who dwells in an ill-governed city, of which he declines the honours and
offices, and will not go to law, or exert himself in any way, but is ready to
waive his rights in order that he may escape trouble.
And how does the son come into being?
The timocratic man often originates in a reaction against his father’s character, which is
encouraged by his mother, The character of the son begins to develope when he
hears his mother complaining that her husband has no place in the
government, of which the consequence is that she has D no precedence
among other women. Further, when she sees her husband not very eager
about money, and instead of battling and railing in the law courts or
assembly, taking whatever happens to him quietly; and when she observes
that his thoughts always centre in himself, while he treats her with very
considerable indifference, she is annoyed, and says to her son that his father
is only half a man and far too easy-going: adding all the other complaints
about her own E ill-treatment which women are so fond of rehearsing.
Yes, said Adeimantus, they give us plenty of them, and their complaints
are so like themselves.
and by the old servants of the household. And you know, I said, that the old
servants also, who are supposed to be attached to the family, from time to
time talk privately in the same strain to the son; and if they see any one who
owes money to his father, or is wronging him in any way, and he fails to
prosecute them, they tell the youth that 550 when he grows up he must
retaliate upon people of this sort, and be more of a man than his father. He
has only to walk abroad and he hears and sees the same sort of thing: those
255 who do their own business in the city are called simpletons, and held in
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that the young man, hearing and seeing all these things—hearing, too, the
words of his father, and having a nearer view of his way of life, and making
comparisons of him and others—is drawn opposite ways: B while his
father is watering and nourishing the rational principle in his soul, the
others are encouraging the passionate and appetitive; and he being not
originally of a bad nature, but having kept bad company, is at last brought
by their joint influence to a middle point, and gives up the kingdom which
is within him to the middle principle of contentiousness and passion, and
becomes arrogant and ambitious.
You seem to me to have described his origin perfectly.
C Then we have now, I said, the second form of government and the
second type of character?
We have.
Next, let us look at another man who, as Aeschylus says,

‘Is set over against another State;’

or rather, as our plan requires, begin with the State.
By all means.
Oligarchy I believe that oligarchy follows next in order.
And what manner of government do you term oligarchy?
A government resting on a valuation of property, in which D the rich
have power and the poor man is deprived of it.
I understand, he replied.
Ought I not to begin by describing how the change from timocracy to
oligarchy arises?
Yes.
Well, I said, no eyes are required in order to see how the one passes into
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The
arises out of increased accumulation and increased expenditure among the citizens.
accumulation of gold in the treasury of private individuals is the ruin of
timocracy; they invent illegal modes of expenditure; for what do they or
their wives care about the law?
Yes, indeed.
E And then one, seeing another grow rich, seeks to rival 256 him, and
thus the great mass of the citizens become lovers of money.
Likely enough.
As riches increase, virtue decreases: the one is honoured, the other despised; the one cultivated,
the other neglected. And so they grow richer and richer, and the more they think
of making a fortune the less they think of virtue; for when riches and virtue
are placed together in the scales of the balance, the one always rises as the
other falls.
True.
551 And in proportion as riches and rich men are honoured in the State,
virtue and the virtuous are dishonoured.
Clearly.
And what is honoured is cultivated, and that which has no honour is
neglected.
That is obvious.
And so at last, instead of loving contention and glory, men become lovers
of trade and money; they honour and look up to the rich man, and make a
ruler of him, and dishonour the poor man.
They do so.
In an oligarchy a money qualification is established. They next proceed to make a
law which fixes a sum B of money as the qualification of citizenship; the
sum is higher in one place and lower in another, as the oligarchy is more or
less exclusive; and they allow no one whose property falls below the
amount fixed to have any share in the government. These changes in the
constitution they effect by force of arms, if intimidation has not already
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Very true.
And this, speaking generally, is the way in which oligarchy is established.
Yes, he said; but what are the characteristics of this form C of
government, and what are the defects of which we were speaking6?
6 Cp. supra, 544 C.

A ruler is elected because he is rich: Who would elect a pilot on this principle? First of all, I
said, consider the nature of the qualification. Just think what would happen
if pilots were to be chosen according to their property, and a poor man were
refused permission to steer, even though he were a better pilot?
You mean that they would shipwreck?
Yes; and is not this true of the government of anything7? 257
7 Omitting ἤ τινος.

I should imagine so.
Except a city?—or would you include a city?
Nay, he said, the case of a city is the strongest of all, inasmuch as the rule
of a city is the greatest and most difficult of all.
D This, then, will be the first great defect of oligarchy?
Clearly.
And here is another defect which is quite as bad.
What defect?
The inevitable division: such a State
The extreme division of classes in such a State.
is not one, but two States, the one of poor, the other of rich men; and they
are living on the same spot and always conspiring against one another.
That, surely, is at least as bad.
Another discreditable feature is, that, for a like
They dare not go to war.
reason, they are incapable of carrying on any war. Either they arm E the
multitude, and then they are more afraid of them than of the enemy; or, if
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few to fight as they are few to rule. And at the same time their fondness for
money makes them unwilling to pay taxes.
How discreditable!
And, as we said before, under such a constitution the 552 same persons
have too many callings—they are husbandmen, tradesmen, warriors, all in
one. Does that look well?
Anything but well.
There is another evil which is, perhaps, the greatest of all, and to which
this State first begins to be liable.
What evil?
The ruined man, who has no occupation, once a spendthrift, now a pauper, still exists in the
State. A man may sell all that he has, and another may acquire his property;
yet after the sale he may dwell in the city of which he is no longer a part,
being neither trader, nor artisan, nor horseman, nor hoplite, but only a poor,
helpless creature.
B Yes, that is an evil which also first begins in this State.
The evil is certainly not prevented there; for oligarchies have both the
extremes of great wealth and utter poverty.
True.
But think again: In his wealthy days, while he was spending his money,
was a man of this sort a whit more good to the State for the purposes of
citizenship? Or 258 did he only seem to be a member of the ruling body,
although in truth he was neither ruler nor subject, but just a spendthrift?
C As you say, he seemed to be a ruler, but was only a spendthrift.
May we not say that this is the drone in the house who is like the drone in
the honeycomb, and that the one is the plague of the city as the other is of
the hive?
Just so, Socrates.
And God has made the flying drones, Adeimantus, all without stings,
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have dreadful stings; of the stingless class are those who in their old age end
as paupers; D of the stingers come all the criminal class, as they are
termed.
Most true, he said.
Clearly then, whenever you see paupers
Where there are paupers, there are thieves
in a State, somewhere in that neighbourhood there are hidden away thieves,
and cut-purses and robbers of temples, and all sorts of malefactors.
Clearly.
Well, I said, and in oligarchical States do you not find paupers?
Yes, he said; nearly everybody is a pauper who is not a ruler.
E And may we be so bold as to affirm that there are
and other criminals.
also many criminals to be found in them, rogues who have stings, and
whom the authorities are careful to restrain by force?
Certainly, we may be so bold.
The existence of such persons is to be attributed to want of education, ill-
training, and an evil constitution of the State?
True.
Such, then, is the form and such are the evils of oligarchy; and there may
be many other evils.
Very likely.
Then oligarchy, or the form of government in which the rulers are
553
elected for their wealth, may now be dismissed. Let us next proceed to
consider the nature and origin of the individual who answers to this State.
259

By all means.
Does not the timocratical man change into the oligarchical on this wise?
How?
A time arrives when the
The ruin of the timocratical man gives birth to the oligarchical.
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father and walking in his footsteps, but presently he sees him of a sudden
B foundering against the State as upon a sunken reef, and he and all that he
has is lost; he may have been a general or some other high officer who is
brought to trial under a prejudice raised by informers, and either put to
death, or exiled, or deprived of the privileges of a citizen, and all his
property taken from him.
Nothing more likely.
His son begins life a ruined man and takes to money-making. And the son has seen and
known all this—he is a ruined man, and his fear has taught him to knock
ambition and C passion headforemost from his bosom’s throne; humbled
by poverty he takes to money-making and by mean and miserly savings and
hard work gets a fortune together. Is not such an one likely to seat the
concupiscent and covetous element on the vacant throne and to suffer it to
play the great king within him, girt with tiara and chain and scimitar?
Most true, he replied.
D And when he has made reason and spirit sit down on the ground
obediently on either side of their sovereign, and taught them to know their
place, he compels the one to think only of how lesser sums may be turned
into larger ones, and will not allow the other to worship and admire
anything but riches and rich men, or to be ambitious of anything so much as
the acquisition of wealth and the means of acquiring it.
Of all changes, he said, there is none so speedy or so sure as the
conversion of the ambitious youth into the avaricious one.
E And the avaricious, I said, is the oligarchical youth?
The oligarchical man and State resemble one another in their estimation of wealth: In their toiling
and saving ways, in their want of cultivation. Yes, he said; at any rate the individual
out of whom he came is like the State out of which oligarchy came.
Let us then consider whether there is any likeness between them.
554 Very good.
First, then, they resemble one another in the value which they set upon
wealth? 260
Certainly.

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Also in their penurious, laborious character; the individual only satisfies
his necessary appetites, and confines his expenditure to them; his other
desires he subdues, under the idea that they are unprofitable.
True.
He is a shabby fellow, who saves something out of everything and makes
a purse for himself; and this is the sort of B man whom the vulgar applaud.
Is he not a true image of the State which he represents?
He appears to me to be so; at any rate money is highly valued by him as
well as by the State.
You see that he is not a man of cultivation, I said.
I imagine not, he said; had he been educated he would never have made a
blind god director of his chorus, or given him chief honour8.
8 Reading καὶ ἐτίμα μάλιστα. Εὖ, ἦ δ’ ἐγώ, according to Schneider’s excellent
emendation.

Excellent! I said. Yet consider: Must we not further admit that owing to
this want of cultivation there will be C found in him dronelike desires as of
pauper and rogue, which are forcibly kept down by his general habit of life?
True.
Do you know where you will have to look if you want to discover his
rogueries?
Where must I look?
The oligarchical man keeps up a fair outside, but he has only an enforced virtue and will cheat
when he can. You should see him where he has some great opportunity of
acting dishonestly, as in the guardianship of an orphan.
Aye.
It will be clear enough then that in his ordinary dealings which give him a
reputation for honesty he coerces his bad D passions by an enforced virtue;
not making them see that they are wrong, or taming them by reason, but by
necessity and fear constraining them, and because he trembles for his
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To be sure.
Yes, indeed, my dear friend, but you will find that the natural desires of
the drone commonly exist in him all the same whenever he has to spend
what is not his own. 261
Yes, and they will be strong in him too.
The man, then, will be at war with himself; he will be two men, and not
one; but, in general, his better desires E will be found to prevail over his
inferior ones.
True.
For these reasons such an one will be more respectable than most people;
yet the true virtue of a unanimous and harmonious soul will flee far away
and never come near him.
I should expect so.
555 And surely, the
His meanness in a contest; he saves his money and loses the prize.
miser individually will be an ignoble competitor in a State for any prize of
victory, or other object of honourable ambition; he will not spend his money
in the contest for glory; so afraid is he of awakening his expensive appetites
and inviting them to help and join in the struggle; in true oligarchical
fashion he fights with a small part only of his resources, and the result
commonly is that he loses the prize and saves his money.
Very true.
Can we any longer doubt, then, that the miser and money-maker
B answers to the oligarchical State?

There can be no doubt.
Democracy arises out of the extravagance and indebtedness of men of family and position,
Next comes democracy; of this the origin and nature have still to be
considered by us; and then we will enquire into the ways of the democratic
man, and bring him up for judgment.
That, he said, is our method.
Well, I said, and how does the change from oligarchy into democracy
arise? Is it not on this wise?—The good at which such a State aims is to

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become as rich as possible, a desire which is insatiable?
What then?
C The rulers, being aware that their power rests upon their wealth,
refuse to curtail by law the extravagance of the spendthrift youth because
they gain by their ruin; they take interest from them and buy up their estates
and thus increase their own wealth and importance?
To be sure.
There can be no doubt that the love of wealth and the spirit of moderation
cannot exist together in citizens of the same state to any considerable
extent; one or the other will D be disregarded. 262
That is tolerably clear.
And in oligarchical States, from the general spread of carelessness and
extravagance, men of good family have often been reduced to beggary?
Yes, often.
who remain in the city, and form a dangerous class ready to head a revolution. And still they
remain in the city; there they are, ready to sting and fully armed, and some
of them owe money, some have forfeited their citizenship; a third class are
in both predicaments; and they hate and conspire against those who have
got their property, and against everybody else, and are E eager for
revolution.
That is true.
On the other hand, the men of business, stooping as they walk, and
pretending not even to see those whom they have already ruined, insert their
sting—that is, their money—into some one else who is not on his guard
against them, and recover the parent sum many times over multiplied into a
family of children: and so they make drone and pauper to abound in the
State.
556 Yes, he said, there are plenty of them—that is certain.
The evil blazes up like a
Two remedies: (1) restrictions on the free use of property;
fire; and they will not extinguish it, either by restricting a man’s use of his
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What other?
One which is the next best, and has
(2) contracts to be made at a man’s own risk.
the advantage of compelling the citizens to look to their characters:—Let
B there be a general rule that every one shall enter into voluntary contracts
at his own risk, and there will be less of this scandalous money-making, and
the evils of which we were speaking will be greatly lessened in the State.
Yes, they will be greatly lessened.
At present the governors, induced by the motives which I have named,
treat their subjects badly; while they and their adherents, especially the
young men of the governing class, are habituated to lead a life of luxury and
idleness C both of body and mind; they do nothing, and are incapable of
resisting either pleasure or pain.
Very true.
They themselves care only for making money, and are as indifferent as
the pauper to the cultivation of virtue. 263
Yes, quite as indifferent.
Such is the state of affairs which
The subjects discover the weakness of their rulers.
prevails among them. And often rulers and their subjects may come in one
another’s way, whether on a journey or on some other occasion of meeting,
on a pilgrimage or a march, as fellow-soldiers or D fellow-sailors; aye, and
they may observe the behaviour of each other in the very moment of danger
—for where danger is, there is no fear that the poor will be despised by the
rich—and very likely the wiry sunburnt poor man may be placed in battle at
the side of a wealthy one who has never spoilt his complexion and has
plenty of superfluous flesh—when he sees such an one puffing and at his
wits’ end, how can he avoid drawing the conclusion that men like him are
only rich because no one has the courage to despoil them? And when they
meet in private will not people be E saying to one another ‘Our warriors
are not good for much’?
Yes, he said, I am quite aware that this is their way of talking.
A slight cause, internal or external, may produce revolution. And, as in a body which is
diseased the addition of a touch from without may bring on illness, and
sometimes even when there is no external provocation a commotion may
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is also likely to be illness, of which the occasion may be very slight, the one
party introducing from without their oligarchical, the other their
democratical allies, and then the State falls sick, and is at war with herself;
and 557 may be at times distracted, even when there is no external cause.
Yes, surely.
And then democracy comes into being
Such is the origin and nature of democracy.
after the poor have conquered their opponents, slaughtering some and
banishing some, while to the remainder they give an equal share of freedom
and power; and this is the form of government in which the magistrates are
commonly elected by lot.
Yes, he said, that is the nature of democracy, whether the revolution has
been effected by arms, or whether fear has caused the opposite party to
withdraw.
And now what is their manner of life, and what sort of B a government
have they? for as the government is, such will be the man.
Clearly, he said. 264
Democracy allows a man to do as he likes, and therefore contains the greatest variety of
characters and constitutions. In the first place, are they not free; and is not the city
full of freedom and frankness—a man may say and do what he likes?
’Tis said so, he replied.
And where freedom is, the individual is clearly able to order for himself
his own life as he pleases?
Clearly.
C Then in this kind of State there will be the greatest variety of human
natures?
There will.
This, then, seems likely to be the fairest of States, being like an
embroidered robe which is spangled with every sort of flower9. And just as
women and children think a variety of colours to be of all things most
charming, so there are many men to whom this State, which is spangled
with the manners and characters of mankind, will appear to be the fairest of
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9 Omitting τί μήν; ἔφη.

Yes.
D Yes, my good Sir, and there will be no better in which to look for a
government.
Why?
Because of the liberty which reigns there—they have a complete
assortment of constitutions; and he who has a mind to establish a State, as
we have been doing, must go to a democracy as he would to a bazaar at
which they sell them, and pick out the one that suits him; then, when he has
made his choice, he may found his State.
E He will be sure to have patterns enough.
And there being no necessity, I said, for you to
The law falls into abeyance.
govern in this State, even if you have the capacity, or to be governed, unless
you like, or go to war when the rest go to war, or to be at peace when others
are at peace, unless you are so disposed—there being no necessity also,
because some law forbids you to hold office or be a dicast, that you should
not hold office or be a dicast, if you have a fancy—is not 558 this a way of
life which for the moment is supremely delightful?
For the moment, yes. 265

And is not their humanity to the condemned10 in some cases quite
charming? Have you not observed how, in a democracy, many persons,
although they have been sentenced to death or exile, just stay where they
are and walk about the world—the gentleman parades like a hero, and
nobody sees or cares?
10 Or, ‘the philosophical temper of the condemned.’

Yes, he replied, many and many a one.
B See too, I
All principles of order and good taste are trampled under foot by democracy.
said, the forgiving spirit of democracy, and the ‘don’t care’ about trifles, and
the disregard which she shows of all the fine principles which we solemnly
laid down at the foundation of the city—as when we said that, except in the
case of some rarely gifted nature, there never will be a good man who has
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them a joy and a study—how grandly does she trample all these fine
notions of ours under her feet, never giving a thought to the pursuits which
make a statesman, and promoting to honour any one who professes C to be
the people’s friend.
Yes, she is of a noble spirit.
These and other kindred characteristics are proper to democracy, which is
a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder, and dispensing
a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.
We know her well.
Consider now, I said, what manner of man the individual is, or rather
consider, as in the case of the State, how he comes into being.
Very good, he said.
Is not this the way—he is the son of the miserly and oligarchical
D father who has trained him in his own habits?

Exactly.
And, like his father, he
Which are the necessary and which the unnecessary pleasures?
keeps under by force the pleasures which are of the spending and not of the
getting sort, being those which are called unnecessary?
Obviously.
Would you like, for the sake of clearness, to distinguish which are the
necessary and which are the unnecessary pleasures?
I should. 266
Necessary desires cannot be got rid of, Are not necessary pleasures those of which
we cannot get E rid, and of which the satisfaction is a benefit to us? And
they are rightly called so, because we are framed by nature to desire both
what is beneficial and what is necessary, and cannot help it.
True.
559 We are not wrong therefore in calling them necessary?
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And the desires of which a man may get rid, if he takes pains from his
youth upwards—of which the presence, moreover, does no good, and in
some cases the reverse of good—shall we not be right in saying that all
these are unnecessary?
Yes, certainly.
Suppose we select an example of either kind, in order that we may have a
general notion of them?
Very good.
Will not the desire of eating, that is, of simple food and condiments, in so
far as they are required for health and B strength, be of the necessary class?
That is what I should suppose.
The pleasure of eating is necessary in two ways; it does us good and it is
essential to the continuance of life?
Yes.
but may be indulged to excess. But the condiments are only necessary in so far
as they are good for health?
Certainly.
Illustration taken from eating and drinking. And the desire which goes beyond this,
of more delicate food, or other luxuries, which might generally be got rid
of, if controlled and trained in youth, and is hurtful to the body, and hurtful
to the soul in the pursuit of wisdom and virtue, may be C rightly called
unnecessary?
Very true.
May we not say that these desires spend, and that the others make money
because they conduce to production?
Certainly.
And of the pleasures of love, and all other pleasures, the same holds
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And the drone of whom we spoke was he who was surfeited in pleasures
and desires of this sort, and was the slave 267 D of the unnecessary desires,
whereas he who was subject to the necessary only was miserly and
oligarchical?
Very true.
Again, let us see how the democratical man grows out of the oligarchical:
the following, as I suspect, is commonly the process.
What is the process?
When a young man who has
The young oligarch is led away by his wild associates.
been brought up as we were just now describing, in a vulgar and miserly
way, has tasted drones’ honey and has come to associate with fierce and
crafty natures who are able to provide for him all sorts of refinements and
varieties of pleasure—then, as you may E imagine, the change will begin
of the oligarchical principle within him into the democratical?
Inevitably.
There are allies to either part of his nature. And as in the city like was helping like,
and the change was effected by an alliance from without assisting one
division of the citizens, so too the young man is changed by a class of
desires coming from without to assist the desires within him, that which is
akin and alike again helping that which is akin and alike?
Certainly.
And if there be any ally which aids the oligarchical principle within him,
whether the influence of a father or of kindred, 560 advising or rebuking
him, then there arises in his soul a faction and an opposite faction, and he
goes to war with himself.
It must be so.
And there are times when the democratical principle gives way to the
oligarchical, and some of his desires die, and others are banished; a spirit of
reverence enters into the young man’s soul and order is restored.
Yes, he said, that sometimes happens.
And then, again, after the old desires have been driven out, B fresh ones
spring up, which are akin to them, and because he their father does not

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know how to educate them, wax fierce and numerous.
Yes, he said, that is apt to be the way.
They draw him to his old associates, and holding secret intercourse with
them, breed and multiply in him. 268
Very true.
At length they seize upon the citadel of the young man’s soul, which they
perceive to be void of all accomplishments and fair pursuits and true words,
which make their abode in the minds of men who are dear to the gods, and
are their best guardians and sentinels.
C None better.
False and boastful conceits and phrases mount upwards and take their
place.
They are certain to do so.
And so the young man
The progress of the oligarchic young man told in an allegory.
returns into the country of the lotus-eaters, and takes up his dwelling there
in the face of all men; and if any help be sent by his friends to the
oligarchical part of him, the aforesaid vain conceits shut the gate of the
king’s fastness; and they will neither allow the embassy itself to enter, nor if
private advisers offer the fatherly counsel of the aged will they listen to
them or receive them. D There is a battle and they gain the day, and then
modesty, which they call silliness, is ignominiously thrust into exile by
them, and temperance, which they nickname unmanliness, is trampled in
the mire and cast forth; they persuade men that moderation and orderly
expenditure are vulgarity and meanness, and so, by the help of a rabble of
evil appetites, they drive them beyond the border.
Yes, with a will.
And when they have emptied and swept clean the soul of E him who is
now in their power and who is being initiated by them in great mysteries,
the next thing is to bring back to their house insolence and anarchy and
waste and impudence in bright array having garlands on their heads, and a
great company with them, hymning their praises and calling 561 them by
sweet names; insolence they term breeding, and anarchy liberty, and waste
magnificence, and impudence courage. And so the young man passes out of

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his original nature, which was trained in the school of necessity, into the
freedom and libertinism of useless and unnecessary pleasures.
Yes, he said, the change in him is visible enough.
He becomes a rake; but he also sometimes stops short in his career and gives way to pleasures
good and bad indifferently. After this he lives on, spending his money and labour
and time on unnecessary pleasures quite as much as on necessary 269 ones;
but if he be fortunate, and is not too much disordered in his wits, when
years have elapsed, and the heyday of B passion is over—supposing that
he then re-admits into the city some part of the exiled virtues, and does not
wholly give himself up to their successors—in that case he balances his
pleasures and lives in a sort of equilibrium, putting the government of
himself into the hands of the one which comes first and wins the turn; and
when he has had enough of that, then into the hands of another; he despises
none of them but encourages them all equally.
Very true, he said.
Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any
He rejects all advice,
true word of advice; if any one says to him that some C pleasures are the
satisfactions of good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and that
he ought to use and honour some and chastise and master the others—
whenever this is repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they are
all alike, and that one is as good as another.
Yes, he said; that is the way with him.
Yes, I said, he lives from
passing his life in the alternation from one extreme to another.
day to day indulging the appetite of the hour; and sometimes he is lapped in
drink and strains of the flute; then he becomes a water-drinker, and tries to
get thin; D then he takes a turn at gymnastics; sometimes idling and
neglecting everything, then once more living the life of a philosopher; often
he is busy with politics, and starts to his feet and says and does whatever
comes into his head; and, if he is emulous of any one who is a warrior, off
he is in that direction, or of men of business, once more in that. His life has
neither law nor order; and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss
and freedom; and so he goes on.
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Yes, I said; his life is motley and
He is ‘not one, but all mankind’s epitome.’
manifold and an epitome of the lives of many;—he answers to the State
which we described as fair and spangled. And many a man and many a
woman will take him for their pattern, and many a constitution and many an
example of manners is contained in him.
Just so.
562Let him then be set over against democracy; he may truly be called
the democratic man. 270
Let that be his place, he said.
Last of all comes the most beautiful of all, man and
Tyranny and the tyrant.
State alike, tyranny and the tyrant; these we have now to consider.
Quite true, he said.
Say then, my friend, In what manner does tyranny arise?—that it has a
democratic origin is evident.
Clearly.
And does not tyranny spring from democracy in the B same manner as
democracy from oligarchy—I mean, after a sort?
How?
The insatiable desire of wealth creates a demand for democracy, the insatiable desire of freedom
creates a demand for tyranny. The good which oligarchy proposed to itself and the
means by which it was maintained was excess of wealth—am I not right?
Yes.
And the insatiable desire of wealth and the neglect of all other things for
the sake of money-getting was also the ruin of oligarchy?
True.
And democracy has her own good, of which the insatiable desire brings
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Freedom, I replied; which, as they tell you in a democracy, C is the glory
of the State—and that therefore in a democracy alone will the freeman of
nature deign to dwell.
Yes; the saying is in every body’s mouth.
I was going to observe, that the insatiable desire of this and the neglect of
other things introduces the change in democracy, which occasions a demand
for tyranny.
How so?
When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil D cup-bearers
presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of
freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful
draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are
cursed oligarchs.
Yes, he replied, a very common occurrence.
Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly
Freedom in the end means anarchy.
termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would
have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are 271 like subjects: these
are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private
and public. Now, in E such a State, can liberty have any limit?
Certainly not.
By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by
getting among the animals and infecting them.
How do you mean?
I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his
sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no
respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and
the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the
563 stranger is quite as good as either.

Yes, he said, that is the way.
And these are not the only evils, I said—
The inversion of all social relations.
there are several lesser ones: In such a state of society the master fears and
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and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is
ready to compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the
young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loth to be B thought
morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the
young.
Quite true, he said.
The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money,
whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I
forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each
other.
C Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?
Freedom among the animals.That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add
that no one who does not know would believe, how much greater is the
liberty which the animals who are under the dominion of man have in a
democracy than in any other State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb
says, are as good as their she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a
way of marching along with all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they
will run at any body who comes in their way if he does not leave the road
clear for them: and all things are D just ready to burst with liberty. 272
When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you
describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how
No law, no authority.
sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of
authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws,
written or unwritten; they will have E no one over them.
Yes, he said, I know it too well.
Such, my friend, I said, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which
springs tyranny.
Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?
The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease
magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy—the truth
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the opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in
vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.
True.
The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass
into excess of slavery.
Yes, the natural order.
And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most
aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of
liberty?
As we might expect.
That,
The common evil of oligarchy and democracy is the class of idle spend-thrifts.
however, was not, as I believe, your question—you rather desired to know
what is that disorder which is B generated alike in oligarchy and
democracy, and is the ruin of both?
Just so, he replied.
Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom the
more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the same
whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having
stings.
A very just comparison.
These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they
Illustration.
are generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. C And the good
physician and lawgiver of the State 273 ought, like the wise bee-master, to
keep them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in; and if
they have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their cells
cut out as speedily as possible.
Yes, by all means, he said.
Then, in order that we may see clearly
Altogether three classes in a democracy.
what we are doing, let us imagine democracy to be divided, as indeed it is,
into D three classes; for in the first place freedom creates rather more
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That is true.
And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.
How so?
(1) The drones or spend-thrifts who are more numerous and active than in the oligarchy.
Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from
office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a
democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener
sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do E not
suffer a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost
everything is managed by the drones.
Very true, he said.
Then there is another class which is always being severed from the mass.
What is that?
They are the orderly
(2) The orderly or wealthy class who are fed upon by the drones.
class, which in a nation of traders is sure to be the richest.
Naturally so.
They are the most squeezable persons and yield the largest amount of
honey to the drones.
Why, he said, there is little to be squeezed out of people who have little.
And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.
565 That is pretty much the case, he said.
The people are a third class, consisting
(3) The working class who also get a share.
of those who work with their own hands; they are not politicians, and have
not much to live upon. This, when assembled, is the largest and most
powerful class in a democracy.
True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate
unless they get a little honey. 274
And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of
their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time taking
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B Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.
And the persons whose
The well-to-do have to defend themselves against the people.
property is taken from them are compelled to defend themselves before the
people as they best can?
What else can they do?
And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge
them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy?
True.
And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but
through ignorance, and because they are C deceived by informers, seeking
to do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs in
reality; they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments them and
breeds revolution in them.
That is exactly the truth.
Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.
True.
The
The people have a protector who, when once he tastes blood, is converted into a tyrant.
people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse
into greatness.
Yes, that is their way.
D This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he
first appears above ground he is a protector.
Yes, that is quite clear.
How then does a protector begin to change into a tyrant? Clearly when he
does what the man is said to do in the tale of the Arcadian temple of
Lycaean Zeus.
What tale?
The tale is that he who has tasted the entrails of a single human victim
minced up with the entrails of other victims is E destined to become a
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Oh, yes.
And the protector of the people is like him; having a mob entirely at his
disposal, he is not restrained from shedding the blood of kinsmen; by the
favourite method of false accusation he brings them into court and murders
them, 275 making the life of man to disappear, and with unholy tongue and
lips tasting the blood of his fellow citizens; some he kills and others he
banishes, at the same time hinting at the abolition of debts and partition of
lands: and after this, what 566 will be his destiny? Must he not either perish
at the hands of his enemies, or from being a man become a wolf—that is, a
tyrant?
Inevitably.
This, I said, is he who begins to make a party against the rich?
The same.
After a while he is
After a time he is driven out, but comes back a full-blown tyrant.
driven out, but comes back, in spite of his enemies, a tyrant full grown.
That is clear.
B And if they are unable to expel him, or to get him condemned to
death by a public accusation, they conspire to assassinate him.
Yes, he said, that is their usual way.
The body-guard. Then comes the famous request for a body-guard, which is
the device of all those who have got thus far in their tyrannical career—‘Let
not the people’s friend,’ as they say, ‘be lost to them.’
Exactly.
The people readily assent; all their fears are for him—they have none for
themselves.
C Very true.
And when a man who is wealthy and is also accused of being an enemy
of the people sees this, then, my friend, as the oracle said to Croesus,

‘By pebbly Hermus’ shore he flees and rests not, and is not ashamed to be a coward11.’

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11 Herod. i. 55.

And quite right too, said he, for if he were, he would never be ashamed
again.
But if he is caught he dies.
Of course.
D And he, the protector of whom
The protector standing up in the chariot of State.
we spoke, is to be seen, not ‘larding the plain’ with his bulk, but himself the
overthrower of many, standing up in the chariot of State with the reins in his
hand, no longer protector, but tyrant absolute. 276
No doubt, he said.
And now let us consider the happiness of the man, and also of the State in
which a creature like him is generated.
Yes, he said, let us consider that.
At first, in the early days of his power, he is full of smiles, and he salutes
every one whom he meets;—he to be called E a tyrant, who is making
promises in public and also in private! liberating debtors, and distributing
land to the people and his followers, and wanting to be so kind and good to
every one!
Of course, he said.
But when he
He stirs up wars, and impoverishes his subjects by the imposition of taxes.
has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing
to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order
that the people may require a leader.
To be sure.
567 Has he not also another object, which is that they may be
impoverished by payment of taxes, and thus compelled to devote
themselves to their daily wants and therefore less likely to conspire against
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And if any of them are suspected by him of having notions of freedom,
and of resistance to his authority, he will have a good pretext for destroying
them by placing them at the mercy of the enemy; and for all these reasons
the tyrant must be always getting up a war.
He must.
B Now he begins to grow unpopular.
A necessary result.
Then some of those who joined in setting him up, and who are in power,
speak their minds to him and to one another, and the more courageous of
them cast in his teeth what is being done.
Yes, that may be expected.
And the tyrant, if he means to rule,
He gets rid of his bravest and boldest followers.
must get rid of them; he cannot stop while he has a friend or an enemy who
is good for anything.
He cannot.
And therefore he must look about him and see who is C valiant, who is
high-minded, who is wise, who is wealthy; 277 happy man, he is the enemy
of them all, and must seek occasion against them whether he will or no,
until he has made a purgation of the State.
Yes, he said, and a rare purgation.
Yes, I said, not the sort of purgation which the
His purgation of the State.
physicians make of the body; for they take away the worse and leave the
better part, but he does the reverse.
If he is to rule, I suppose that he cannot help himself.
D What a blessed alternative, I said:—to be compelled to dwell only
with the many bad, and to be by them hated, or not to live at all!
Yes, that is the alternative.
And the more detestable his actions are to the citizens the more satellites
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And who are the devoted band, and where will he procure them?
They will flock to him, he said, of their own accord, if he pays them.
By the dog! I said, here are more drones, of every sort E and
More drones.
from every land.
Yes, he said, there are.
But will he not desire to get them on the spot?
How do you mean?
He will rob the citizens of their slaves; he will then set them free and
enrol them in his body-guard.
To be sure, he said; and he will be able to trust them best of all.
He puts to death his friends and lives with the slaves whom he has enfranchised. What a
blessed creature, I said, must this tyrant be; he 568 has put to death the
others and has these for his trusted friends.
Yes, he said; they are quite of his sort.
Yes, I said, and these are the new citizens whom he has called into
existence, who admire him and are his companions, while the good hate and
avoid him.
Of course.
Euripides and the tragedians praise tyranny, which is an excellent reason for expelling them from
our State. Verily, then, tragedy is a wise thing and Euripides a great tragedian.

Why so? 278
Why, because he is the author of the pregnant saying,

B ‘Tyrants are wise by living with the wise;’

and he clearly meant to say that they are the wise whom the tyrant makes
his companions.
C Yes, he said, and he also praises tyranny as godlike; and many other
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And therefore, I said, the tragic poets being wise men will forgive us and
any others who live after our manner if we do not receive them into our
State, because they are the eulogists of tyranny.
Yes, he said, those who have the wit will doubtless forgive us.
But they will continue to go to other cities and attract mobs, and hire
voices fair and loud and persuasive, and draw the cities over to tyrannies
and democracies.
Very true.
Moreover, they are paid for this and receive honour—the greatest honour,
as might be expected, from tyrants, and the next greatest from democracies;
but the higher they ascend D our constitution hill, the more their reputation
fails, and seems unable from shortness of breath to proceed further.
True.
But we are wandering from the subject: Let us therefore return and
enquire how the tyrant will maintain that fair and numerous and various and
ever-changing army of his.
If, he
The tyrant seizes the treasures in the temples, and when these fail feeds upon the people.
said, there are sacred treasures in the city, he will confiscate and spend
them; and in so far as the fortunes of attainted persons may suffice, he will
be able to diminish the taxes which he would otherwise have to impose
upon the people.
E And when these fail?
Why, clearly, he said, then he and his boon companions, whether male or
female, will be maintained out of his father’s estate.
You mean to say that the people, from whom he has derived his being,
will maintain him and his companions?
Yes, he said; they cannot help themselves.
They rebel, and then he beats his own parent, i.e. the people. But what if the people fly
into a passion, and aver that a 279 grown-up son ought not to be supported
by his father, but 569 that the father should be supported by the son? The
father did not bring him into being, or settle him in life, in order that when
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and should support him and his rabble of slaves and companions; but that
his son should protect him, and that by his help he might be emancipated
from the government of the rich and aristocratic, as they are termed. And so
he bids him and his companions depart, just as any other father might drive
out of the house a riotous son and his undesirable associates.
By heaven, he said, then the parent will discover what B a monster he
has been fostering in his bosom; and, when he wants to drive him out, he
will find that he is weak and his son strong.
Why, you do not mean to say that the tyrant will use violence? What!
beat his father if he opposes him?
Yes, he will, having first disarmed him.
Then he is a parricide, and a cruel guardian of an aged parent; and this is
real tyranny, about which there can be no longer a mistake: as the saying is,
the people who would escape the smoke which is the slavery of freemen,
has fallen C into the fire which is the tyranny of slaves. Thus liberty,
getting out of all order and reason, passes into the harshest and bitterest
form of slavery.
True, he said.
Very well; and may we not rightly say that we have sufficiently discussed
the nature of tyranny, and the manner of the transition from democracy to
tyranny?
Yes, quite enough, he said.

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BOOK IX.

Steph.
571 Republic IX.
SOCRATES, ADEIMANTUS.LAST of all comes the tyrannical man; about whom we
have once more to ask, how is he formed out of the democratical? and how
does he live, in happiness or in misery?
Yes, he said, he is the only one remaining.
There is, however, I said, a previous question which remains unanswered.
What question?
I do not think that we have adequately
A digression having a purpose.
determined the nature and number of the appetites, and until this is
accomplished B the enquiry will always be confused.
Well, he said, it is not too late to supply the omission.
Very true, I said; and observe the
The wild beast latent in man peers forth in sleep.
point which I want to understand: Certain of the unnecessary pleasures and
appetites I conceive to be unlawful; every one appears to have them, but in
some persons they are controlled by the laws and by reason, and the better
desires prevail over them—either they are wholly banished or they become
few and weak; while in the case of others they are stronger, and C there are
more of them.
Which appetites do you mean?
I mean those which are awake when the reasoning and human and ruling
power is asleep; then the wild beast within us, gorged with meat or drink,
starts up and having shaken off sleep, goes forth to satisfy his desires; and
there D is no conceivable folly or crime—not excepting incest or any other
unnatural union, or parricide, or the eating of forbidden food—which at
such a time, when he has parted company with all shame and sense, a man
may not be ready to commit.
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But when
The contrast of the temperate man whose passions are under the control of reason.
a man’s pulse is healthy and temperate, and when before going to sleep he
has awakened his rational 281 powers, and fed them on noble thoughts and
enquiries, E collecting himself in meditation; after having first indulged his
appetites neither too much nor too little, but just enough to lay them to
sleep, and prevent them and their enjoyments 572 and pains from
interfering with the higher principle—which he leaves in the solitude of
pure abstraction, free to contemplate and aspire to the knowledge of the
unknown, whether in past, present, or future: when again he has allayed the
passionate element, if he has a quarrel against any one—I say, when, after
pacifying the two irrational principles, he rouses up the third, which is
reason, before he takes his rest, then, as you know, he attains truth most
nearly, and is least B likely to be the sport of fantastic and lawless visions.
I quite agree.
In saying this I have been running into a digression; but the point which I
desire to note is that in all of us, even in good men, there is a lawless wild-
beast nature, which peers out in sleep. Pray, consider whether I am right,
and you agree with me.
Yes, I agree.
And now remember the character which we attributed C to
Recapitulation.
the democratic man. He was supposed from his youth upwards to have been
trained under a miserly parent, who encouraged the saving appetites in him,
but discountenanced the unnecessary, which aim only at amusement and
ornament?
True.
And then he got into the company of a more refined, licentious sort of
people, and taking to all their wanton ways rushed into the opposite extreme
from an abhorrence of his father’s meanness. At last, being a better man
than his corruptors, he was drawn in both directions until he halted
D midway and led a life, not of vulgar and slavish passion, but of what he
deemed moderate indulgence in various pleasures. After this manner the
democrat was generated out of the oligarch?
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And now, I said, years will have passed away, and you must conceive this
man, such as he is, to have a son, who is brought up in his father’s
principles.
I can imagine him. 282
Then you must further imagine the same thing to happen to the son which
has already happened to the father:—he is E drawn into a perfectly lawless
life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty; and his father and
friends take part with his moderate desires, and the opposite party assist the
opposite ones. As soon as these dire magicians and 573 tyrant-makers find
that they are losing their hold on him, they contrive to implant in him a
master passion, to be lord over his idle and spendthrift lusts—a sort of
monstrous winged drone—that is the only image which will adequately
describe him.
Yes, he said, that is the only adequate image of him.
And when his other lusts, amid clouds of incense and perfumes and
garlands and wines, and all the pleasures of a dissolute life, now let loose,
come buzzing around him, nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire
which they implant in his drone-like nature, then at last this lord of B the
soul, having Madness for the captain of his guard, breaks out into a frenzy:
and if he finds in himself any good opinions or appetites in process of
formation1, and there is in him any sense of shame remaining, to these
better principles he puts an end, and casts them forth until he has purged
away temperance and brought in madness to the full.
1 Or, ‘opinions or appetites such as are deemed to be good.’

The tyrannical man is made up of lusts and appetites. Love, drink, madness are but different
forms of tyranny. Yes, he said, that is the way in which the tyrannical man is
generated.
And is not this the reason why of old love has been called a tyrant?
I should not wonder.
Further, I said, has not a drunken man also the spirit of C a tyrant?
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And you know that a man who is deranged and not right in his mind, will
fancy that he is able to rule, not only over men, but also over the gods?
That he will.
And the tyrannical man in the true sense of the word comes into being
when, either under the influence of nature, or habit, or both, he becomes
drunken, lustful, passionate? O my friend, is not that so? 283
Assuredly.
Such is the man and such is his origin. And next, how does he live?
D Suppose, as people facetiously say, you were to tell me.
I imagine, I said, at the next step in his progress, that there will be feasts
and carousals and revellings and courtezans, and all that sort of thing; Love
is the lord of the house within him, and orders all the concerns of his soul.
That is certain.
Yes; and every day and every night desires grow up many and
formidable, and their demands are many.
They are indeed, he said.
His revenues, if he has any, are soon spent.
True.
E Then comes debt and the cutting down of his property.
Of course.
When he has nothing left, must not
His desires become greater and his means less.
his desires, crowding in the nest like young ravens, be crying aloud for
food; and 574 he, goaded on by them, and especially by love himself, who
is in a manner the captain of them, is in a frenzy, and would fain discover
whom he can defraud or despoil of his property, in order that he may gratify
them?
Yes, that is sure to be the case.
He must have money, no matter how, if he is to escape horrid pains and
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He must.
And as in himself there was a succession of
He will rob his father and mother.
pleasures, and the new got the better of the old and took away their rights,
so he being younger will claim to have more than his father and his mother,
and if he has spent his own share of the property, he will take a slice of
theirs.
No doubt he will.
B And if his parents will not give way, then he will try first of all to
cheat and deceive them.
Very true.
And if he fails, then he will use force and plunder them.
Yes, probably.
And if the old man and woman fight for their own, what then, my friend?
Will the creature feel any compunction at tyrannizing over them? 284
Nay, he said, I should not feel at all comfortable about his parents.
He will prefer the love of a girl or a youth to his aged parents, and may even be induced to strike
them. But, O heavens! Adeimantus, on account of some new-fangled love of
a harlot, who is anything but a necessary C connection, can you believe
that he would strike the mother who is his ancient friend and necessary to
his very existence, and would place her under the authority of the other,
when she is brought under the same roof with her; or that, under like
circumstances, he would do the same to his withered old father, first and
most indispensable of friends, for the sake of some newly-found blooming
youth who is the reverse of indispensable?
Yes, indeed, he said; I believe that he would.
Truly, then, I said, a tyrannical son is a blessing to his father and mother.
He is indeed, he replied.
D He turns highwayman, robs temples, loses all his early principles, and becomes in waking
reality the evil dream which he had in sleep.
He gathers followers about him. He first takes their property, and when that fails,
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into a house, or steals the garments of some nightly wayfarer; next he
proceeds to clear a temple. Meanwhile the old opinions which he had when
a child, and which gave judgment about good and evil, are overthrown by
those others which have just been emancipated, and are now the body-guard
of love and share his empire. These in his democratic days, when he was
still subject to the laws E and to his father, were only let loose in the
dreams of sleep. But now that he is under the dominion of love, he becomes
always and in waking reality what he was then very rarely and in a dream
only; he will commit the foulest murder, or eat forbidden food, or be guilty
of any other horrid act. 575 Love is his tyrant, and lives lordly in him and
lawlessly, and being himself a king, leads him on, as a tyrant leads a State,
to the performance of any reckless deed by which he can maintain himself
and the rabble of his associates, whether those whom evil communications
have brought in from without, or those whom he himself has allowed to
break loose within him by reason of a similar evil nature in himself. Have
we not here a picture of his way of life?
Yes, indeed, he said.
And if there are only a few of them in the State, and the 285 B rest of the
people are well disposed, they go away and become the body-guard or
mercenary soldiers of some other tyrant who may probably want them for a
war; and if there is no war, they stay at home and do many little pieces of
mischief in the city.
What sort of mischief?
For example, they are the thieves, burglars, cut-purses, foot-pads, robbers
of temples, man-stealers of the community; or if they are able to speak they
turn informers, and bear false witness, and take bribes.
CA small catalogue of evils, even if the perpetrators of them are few in
number.
Yes, I said; but small
A private person can do but little harm in comparison of the tyrant.
and great are comparative terms, and all these things, in the misery and evil
which they inflict upon a State, do not come within a thousand miles of the
tyrant; when this noxious class and their followers grow numerous and
become conscious of their strength, assisted by the infatuation of the
people, they choose from among themselves the one who has most of the
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Yes, he said, and he will be the most fit to be a tyrant.
If the people yield, well and good; but if they resist him, as he began by
beating his own father and mother, so now, if he has the power, he beats
them, and will keep his dear old fatherland or motherland, as the Cretans
say, in subjection to his young retainers whom he has introduced to be their
rulers and masters. This is the end of his passions and desires.
E Exactly.
When such men are only private
The behaviour of the tyrant to his early supporters.
individuals and before they get power, this is their character; they associate
entirely with their own flatterers or ready tools; or if they want anything
from anybody, they in their turn are equally ready to bow down before
them: they profess every sort of 576 affection for them; but when they have
gained their point they know them no more.
Yes, truly.
He is always either master or servant, always treacherous, unjust, the waking reality of our
dream, a tyrant by nature, a tyrant in fact. They are always either the masters or
servants and never the friends of anybody; the tyrant never tastes of true
freedom or friendship. 286
Certainly not.
And may we not rightly call such men treacherous?
No question.
B Also they are utterly unjust, if we were right in our notion of justice?
Yes, he said, and we were perfectly right.
Let us then sum up in a word, I said, the character of the worst man: he is
the waking reality of what we dreamed.
Most true.
And this is he who being by nature most of a tyrant bears rule, and the
longer he lives the more of a tyrant he becomes.
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The wicked are also the most miserable. And will not he who has been shown to
be the wickedest, C be also the most miserable? and he who has tyrannized
longest and most, most continually and truly miserable; although this may
not be the opinion of men in general?
Yes, he said, inevitably.
And must not the tyrannical man be like the tyrannical
Like man, like State.
State, and the democratical man like the democratical State; and the same of
the others?
Certainly.
And as State is to State in virtue and happiness, so is man in relation to
man?
D To be sure.
The opposite of the king. Then comparing our original city, which was under a
king, and the city which is under a tyrant, how do they stand as to virtue?
They are the opposite extremes, he said, for one is the very best and the
other is the very worst.
There can be no mistake, I said, as to which is which, and therefore I will
at once enquire whether you would arrive at a similar decision about their
relative happiness and misery. And here we must not allow ourselves to be
panic-stricken at the apparition of the tyrant, who is only a unit and may
perhaps have a few retainers about him; but let us go as we E ought into
every corner of the city and look all about, and then we will give our
opinion.
A fair invitation, he replied; and I see, as every one must, that a tyranny is
the wretchedest form of government, and the rule of a king the happiest. 287
And in estimating the men too, may I not fairly make 577 a like request,
that I should have a judge whose mind can enter into and see through
human nature? he must not be like a child who looks at the outside and is
dazzled at the pompous aspect which the tyrannical nature assumes to the
beholder, but let him be one who has a clear insight. May I suppose that the
judgment is given in the hearing of us all by one who is able to judge, and
has dwelt in the same place with him, and been present at his dally life and
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tragedy attire, and again in the hour of public danger—he shall tell us about
the happiness and misery of the tyrant when compared with other men?
That again, he said, is a very fair proposal.
Shall I assume that we ourselves are able and experienced judges and
have before now met with such a person? We shall then have some one who
will answer our enquiries.
By all means.
C Let me ask you not to forget the parallel of the individual and the
State; bearing this in mind, and glancing in turn from one to the other of
them, will you tell me their respective conditions?
What do you mean? he asked.
Beginning with the State, I replied, would
The State is not free, but enslaved.
you say that a city which is governed by a tyrant is free or enslaved?
No city, he said, can be more completely enslaved.
And yet, as you see, there are freemen as well as masters in such a State?
Yes, he said, I see that there are—a few; but the people, speaking
generally, and the best of them are miserably degraded and enslaved.
D Then if
Like a slave, the tyrant is full of meanness, and the ruling part of him is madness.
the man is like the State, I said, must not the same rule prevail? his soul is
full of meanness and vulgarity—the best elements in him are enslaved; and
there is a small ruling part, which is also the worst and maddest.
Inevitably.
And would you say that the soul of such an one is the soul of a freeman,
or of a slave?
He has the soul of a slave, in my opinion. 288
And the State which is enslaved under a tyrant is utterly incapable of
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E The city which is subject to him is goaded by a gadfly; And also the soul which is
under a tyrant (I am speaking of the soul taken as a whole) is least capable
of doing what she desires; there is a gadfly which goads her, and she is full
of trouble and remorse?
Certainly.
And is the city which is under a tyrant rich or poor?
Poor.
578 poor; And the tyrannical soul must be always poor and insatiable?

True.
And must not such a State and such a man be always full of fear?
Yes, indeed.
Is there any State in which you will find more of lamentation
full of misery.
and sorrow and groaning and pain?
Certainly not.
And is there any man in whom you will find more of this sort of misery
than in the tyrannical man, who is in a fury of passions and desires?
Impossible.
B Reflecting upon these and similar evils, you held the tyrannical State
to be the most miserable of States?
And I was right, he said.
Certainly, I said. And when you see the
Also the tyrannical man is most miserable.
same evils in the tyrannical man, what do you say of him?
I say that he is by far the most miserable of all men.
Yet there is a still more miserable being, the tyrannical man who is a public tyrant. There, I
said, I think that you are beginning to go wrong.
What do you mean?
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Then who is more miserable?
One of whom I am about to speak.
Who is that?
C He who is of a tyrannical nature, and instead of leading a private life
has been cursed with the further misfortune of being a public tyrant.
From what has been said, I gather that you are right. 289
Yes, I replied, but in this high argument you should be a little more
certain, and should not conjecture only; for of all questions, this respecting
good and evil is the greatest.
Very true, he said.
Let me then offer you an illustration, which may, I think, D throw a light
upon this subject.
What is your illustration?
The case of
In cities there are many great slaveowners, and they help to protect one another.
rich individuals in cities who possess many slaves: from them you may
form an idea of the tyrant’s condition, for they both have slaves; the only
difference is that he has more slaves.
Yes, that is the difference.
You know that they live securely and have nothing to apprehend from
their servants?
What should they fear?
Nothing. But do you observe the reason of this?
Yes; the reason is, that the whole city is leagued together for the
protection of each individual.
E But suppose a slaveowner and his slaves carried off into the wilderness, what will happen
Very true, I said. But imagine one of these
then? Such is the condition of the tyrant.
owners, the master say of some fifty slaves, together with his family and
property and slaves, carried off by a god into the wilderness, where there
are no freemen to help him—will he not be in an agony of fear lest he and
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Yes, he said, he will be in the utmost fear.
579 The time has arrived when he will be compelled to flatter divers of
his slaves, and make many promises to them of freedom and other things,
much against his will—he will have to cajole his own servants.
Yes, he said, that will be the only way of saving himself.
And suppose the same god, who carried him away, to surround him with
neighbours who will not suffer one man to be the master of another, and
who, if they could catch the offender, would take his life?
B His case will be still worse, if you suppose him to be everywhere
surrounded and watched by enemies.
And is not this
He is the daintiest of all men and has to endure the hardships of a prison;
the sort of prison in which the tyrant will be bound—he who being by
nature such as we have described, is full of all sorts of fears and lusts? His
soul is dainty and greedy, and yet alone, of all men in the city, he is never
290 allowed to go on a journey, or to see the things which other freemen
desire to see, but he lives in his hole like a woman C hidden in the house,
and is jealous of any other citizen who goes into foreign parts and sees
anything of interest.
Very true, he said.
And amid evils
Miserable in himself, he is still more miserable if he be in a public station.
such as these will not he who is ill-governed in his own person—the
tyrannical man, I mean—whom you just now decided to be the most
miserable of all—will not he be yet more miserable when, instead of
leading a private life, he is constrained by fortune to be a public tyrant? He
has to be master of others when he is not master of himself: he is like a
diseased or paralytic man who is compelled to pass his D life, not in
retirement, but fighting and combating with other men.
Yes, he said, the similitude is most exact.
Is not his case utterly miserable? and
He then leads a life worse than the worst,
does not the actual tyrant lead a worse life than he whose life you
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He who is the real tyrant, whatever men may think, is the
in unhappiness,
real slave, and is obliged to practise the greatest adulation E and servility,
and to be the flatterer of the vilest of mankind. He has desires which he is
utterly unable to satisfy, and has more wants than any one, and is truly poor,
if you know how to inspect the whole soul of him: all his life long he is
beset with fear and is full of convulsions and distractions, even as the State
which he resembles: and surely the resemblance holds?
Very true, he said.
580 Moreover, as we were saying before, he grows
and in wickedness.
worse from having power: he becomes and is of necessity more jealous,
more faithless, more unjust, more friendless, more impious, than he was at
first; he is the purveyor and cherisher of every sort of vice, and the
consequence is that he is supremely miserable, and that he makes
everybody else as miserable as himself.
No man of any sense will dispute your words.
The umpire decides that Come then, I said, and as the general umpire in
theatrical B contests proclaims the result, do you also decide who in your
opinion is first in the scale of happiness, and who second, 291 and in what
order the others follow: there are five of them in all—they are the royal,
timocratical, oligarchical, democratical, tyrannical.
The decision will be easily given, he replied; they shall be choruses
coming on the stage, and I must judge them in the order in which they enter,
by the criterion of virtue and vice, happiness and misery.
the best is the happiest and the worst is the most miserable. This is the proclamation of the son of
Ariston. Need we hire a herald, or shall I announce, that the son of Ariston
[the best] has decided that the best and justest C is also the happiest, and
that this is he who is the most royal man and king over himself; and that the
worst and most unjust man is also the most miserable, and that this is he
who being the greatest tyrant of himself is also the greatest tyrant of his
State?
Make the proclamation yourself, he said.
And shall I add, ‘whether seen or unseen by gods and men’?
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Then this, I said, will be our first proof; and there is D another, which
may also have some weight.
What is that?
The second proof is derived from
Proof, derived from the three principles of the soul.
the nature of the soul: seeing that the individual soul, like the State, has
been divided by us into three principles, the division may, I think, furnish a
new demonstration.
Of what nature?
It seems to me that to these three principles three pleasures correspond;
also three desires and governing powers.
How do you mean? he said.
There is one principle with which, as we were saying, a man learns,
another with which he is angry; the third, E having many forms, has no
special name, but is denoted by the general term appetitive, from the
extraordinary strength and vehemence of the desires of eating and drinking
and the other sensual appetites which are the main elements of it; 581 also
money-loving, because such desires are generally satisfied by the help of
money.
That is true, he said.
If we were to say that the loves and pleasures of this third
(1) The appetitive:
part were concerned with gain, we should then be 292 able to fall back on a
single notion; and might truly and intelligibly describe this part of the soul
as loving gain or money.
I agree with you.
Again, is not the passionate element wholly set on ruling and conquering
and getting fame?
B True.
Suppose we call it the contentious or ambitious—would
(2) The ambitious;
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On the other hand, every one sees that
(3) The principle of knowledge and truth.
the principle of knowledge is wholly directed to the truth, and cares less
than either of the others for gain or fame.
Far less.
‘Lover of wisdom,’ ‘lover of knowledge,’ are titles which we may fitly
apply to that part of the soul?
Certainly.
One principle prevails in the souls of one class of men, C another in
others, as may happen?
Yes.
Then we may begin by assuming that there are three classes of men—
lovers of wisdom, lovers of honour, lovers of gain?
Exactly.
And there are three kinds of pleasure, which are their several objects?
Very true.
Now, if you
Each will depreciate the others, but only the philosopher has the power to judge,
examine the three classes of men, and ask of them in turn which of their
lives is pleasantest, each will be found praising his own and depreciating
that of others: D the money-maker will contrast the vanity of honour or of
learning if they bring no money with the solid advantages of gold and
silver?
True, he said.
And the lover of honour—what will be his opinion? Will he not think that
the pleasure of riches is vulgar, while the pleasure of learning, if it brings no
distinction, is all smoke and nonsense to him?
Very true. 293
because he alone has experience of the highest pleasures and is also acquainted with the lower.
And are we to suppose2, I said, that the philosopher sets E any value on
other pleasures in comparison with the pleasure of knowing the truth, and in
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pleasure? Does he not call the other pleasures necessary, under the idea that
if there were no necessity for them, he would rather not have them?
2 Reading with Grasere and Hermann τί οἰώμεθα, and omitting οὐδὲν, which is
not found in the best MSS.

There can be no doubt of that, he replied.
Since, then, the pleasures of each class and the life of each are in dispute,
and the question is not which life is more or 582 less honourable, or better
or worse, but which is the more pleasant or painless—how shall we know
who speaks truly?
I cannot myself tell, he said.
Well, but what ought to be the criterion? Is any better than experience
and wisdom and reason?
There cannot be a better, he said.
Then, I said, reflect. Of the three individuals, which has the greatest
experience of all the pleasures which we enumerated? Has the lover of gain,
in learning the nature of essential truth, greater experience of the pleasure of
B knowledge than the philosopher has of the pleasure of gain?

The philosopher, he replied, has greatly the advantage; for he has of
necessity always known the taste of the other pleasures from his childhood
upwards: but the lover of gain in all his experience has not of necessity
tasted—or, I should rather say, even had he desired, could hardly have
tasted—the sweetness of learning and knowing truth.
Then the lover of wisdom has a great advantage over the lover of gain,
for he has a double experience?
C Yes, very great.
Again, has he greater experience of the pleasures of honour, or the lover
of honour of the pleasures of wisdom?
Nay, he said, all three are honoured in proportion as they attain their
object; for the rich man and the brave man and the wise man alike have
their crowd of admirers, and as they all receive honour they all have
experience of the pleasures of honour; but the delight which is to be found
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D His experience, then, will enable him to judge better than any one?
Far better.
The philosopher alone having both judgment and experience, And he is the only one
who has wisdom as well as experience?
Certainly.
Further, the very faculty which is the instrument of judgment is not
possessed by the covetous or ambitious man, but only by the philosopher?
What faculty?
Reason, with whom, as we were saying, the decision ought to rest.
Yes.
And reasoning is peculiarly his instrument?
Certainly.
If wealth and gain were the criterion, then the praise or E blame of the
lover of gain would surely be the most trustworthy?
Assuredly.
Or if honour or victory or courage, in that case the judgment of the
ambitious or pugnacious would be the truest?
Clearly.
the pleasures which he approves are the true pleasures: he places (1) the love of wisdom, (2) the
love of honour, (3) and lowest the love of gain. But since experience and wisdom and
reason are the judges—
The only inference possible, he replied, is that pleasures which are
approved by the lover of wisdom and reason are the truest.
And so we arrive at the result, that the pleasure of the 583 intelligent part
of the soul is the pleasantest of the three, and that he of us in whom this is
the ruling principle has the pleasantest life.
Unquestionably, he said, the wise man speaks with authority when he
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And what does the judge affirm to be the life which is next, and the
pleasure which is next?
Clearly that of the soldier and lover of honour; who is nearer to himself
than the money-maker.
Last comes the lover of gain? 295
Very true, he said.
B Twice in succession, then, has the
True pleasure is not relative but absolute.
just man overthrown the unjust in this conflict; and now comes the third
trial, which is dedicated to Olympian Zeus the saviour: a sage whispers in
my ear that no pleasure except that of the wise is quite true and pure—all
others are a shadow only; and surely this will prove the greatest and most
decisive of falls?
Yes, the greatest; but will you explain yourself?
C I will work out the subject and you shall answer my questions.
Proceed.
Say, then, is not pleasure opposed to pain?
True.
And there is a neutral state which is neither pleasure nor pain?
There is.
A state which is intermediate, and a sort of repose of the soul about either
—that is what you mean?
Yes.
You remember what people say when they are sick?
What do they say?
That after all nothing is pleasanter than health. But then they never knew
this to be the greatest of pleasures until D they were ill.
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The states intermediate between pleasure and pain are termed pleasures or pains only in relation
to their opposites. And when persons are suffering from acute pain, you must
have heard them say that there is nothing pleasanter than to get rid of their
pain?
I have.
And there are many other cases of suffering in which the mere rest and
cessation of pain, and not any positive enjoyment, is extolled by them as the
greatest pleasure?
Yes, he said; at the time they are pleased and well content to be at rest.
E Again, when pleasure ceases, that sort of rest or cessation will be
painful?
Doubtless, he said.
Then the intermediate state of rest will be pleasure and will also be pain?
So it would seem. 296
But can that which is neither become both?
I should say not.
And both pleasure and pain are motions of the soul, are they not?
Yes.
584 But that
Pleasure and pain are said to be states of rest, but they are really motions.
which is neither was just now shown to be rest and not motion, and in a
mean between them?
Yes.
How, then, can we be right in supposing that the absence of pain is
pleasure, or that the absence of pleasure is pain?
Impossible.
This then is an appearance only and not a reality; that is to say, the rest is
pleasure at the moment and in comparison of what is painful, and painful in
comparison of what is pleasant; but all these representations, when tried by
the test of true pleasure, are not real but a sort of imposition?

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That is the inference.
B All pleasures are not merely cessations of pains, or pains of pleasures; e.g. the pleasures of
Look at the other class of pleasures which have no antecedent
smell are not.
pains and you will no longer suppose, as you perhaps may at present, that
pleasure is only the cessation of pain, or pain of pleasure.
What are they, he said, and where shall I find them?
There are many of them: take as an example the pleasures of smell,
which are very great and have no antecedent pains; they come in a moment,
and when they depart leave no pain behind them.
Most true, he said.
C Let us not, then, be induced to believe that pure pleasure is the
cessation of pain, or pain of pleasure.
No.
Still, the more numerous and violent pleasures which reach the soul
through the body are generally of this sort—they are reliefs of pain.
That is true.
And the anticipations of future pleasures and pains are of a like nature?
Yes.
D Shall I give you an illustration of them?
Let me hear. 297
You would allow, I said, that there is in nature an upper and lower and
middle region?
I should.
Illustrations of the unreality of certain pleasures. And if a person were to go from the
lower to the middle region, would he not imagine that he is going up; and
he who is standing in the middle and sees whence he has come, would
imagine that he is already in the upper region, if he has never seen the true
upper world?
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E But if he were taken back again he would imagine, and truly imagine,
that he was descending?
No doubt.
All that would arise out of his ignorance of the true upper and middle and
lower regions?
Yes.
Then can you wonder that persons who are inexperienced in the truth, as
they have wrong ideas about many other things, should also have wrong
ideas about pleasure and pain and the intermediate state; so that when they
are only being 585 drawn towards the painful they feel pain and think the
pain which they experience to be real, and in like manner, when drawn
away from pain to the neutral or intermediate state, they firmly believe that
they have reached the goal of satiety and pleasure; they, not knowing
pleasure, err in contrasting pain with the absence of pain, which is like
contrasting black with grey instead of white—can you wonder, I say, at
this?
No, indeed; I should be much more disposed to wonder at the opposite.
Look at the matter thus:—Hunger, thirst, and the like, B are inanitions of
the bodily state?
Yes.
And ignorance and folly are inanitions of the soul?
True.
And food and wisdom are the corresponding satisfactions of either?
Certainly.
And is the satisfaction derived from
The intellectual more real than the sensual.
that which has less or from that which has more existence the truer?
Clearly, from that which has more.
What classes of things have a greater share of pure 298 existence in your
judgment—those of which food and drink and condiments and all kinds of
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knowledge and C mind and all the different kinds of virtue? Put the
question in this way:—Which has a more pure being—that which is
concerned with the invariable, the immortal, and the true, and is of such a
nature, and is found in such natures; or that which is concerned with and
found in the variable and mortal, and is itself variable and mortal?
Far purer, he replied, is the being of that which is concerned with the
invariable.
And does the essence of the invariable partake of knowledge in the same
degree as of essence?
Yes, of knowledge in the same degree.
And of truth in the same degree?
Yes.
And, conversely, that which has less of truth will also have less of
essence?
Necessarily.
D Then, in general, those kinds of things which are in the service of the
body have less of truth and essence than those which are in the service of
the soul?
Far less.
And has not the body itself less of truth and essence than the soul?
Yes.
What is filled with more real existence, and actually has a more real
existence, is more really filled than that which is filled with less real
existence and is less real?
Of course.
And if
The pleasures of the sensual and also of the passionate element are unreal and mixed.
there be a pleasure in being filled with that which is according to nature,
that which is more really filled with E more real being will more really and
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will be less truly and surely satisfied, and will participate in an illusory and
less real pleasure?
Unquestionably.
586 Those then who know not wisdom and virtue, and are always busy
with gluttony and sensuality, go down and up again as far as the mean; and
in this region they move at 299 random throughout life, but they never pass
into the true upper world; thither they neither look, nor do they ever find
their way, neither are they truly filled with true being, nor do they taste of
pure and abiding pleasure. Like cattle, with their eyes always looking down
and their heads stooping to the earth, that is, to the dining-table, they fatten
and feed B and breed, and, in their excessive love of these delights, they
kick and butt at one another with horns and hoofs which are made of iron;
and they kill one another by reason of their insatiable lust. For they fill
themselves with that which is not substantial, and the part of themselves
which they fill is also unsubstantial and incontinent.
Verily, Socrates, said Glaucon, you describe the life of the many like an
oracle.
Their pleasures are mixed with pains—how can they be otherwise? For
they are mere shadows and pictures of C the true, and are coloured by
contrast, which exaggerates both light and shade, and so they implant in the
minds of fools insane desires of themselves; and they are fought about as
Stesichorus says that the Greeks fought about the shadow of Helen at Troy
in ignorance of the truth.
Something of that sort must inevitably happen.
And must not the like happen with the spirited or passionate element of
the soul? Will not the passionate man who carries his passion into action, be
in the like case, whether he is envious and ambitious, or violent and
contentious, or angry and discontented, if he be seeking to attain D honour
and victory and the satisfaction of his anger without reason or sense?
Yes, he said, the same will happen with the spirited element also.
Both kinds of pleasures are attained in the highest degree when the desires which seek them are
under the guidance of reason. Then may we not confidently assert that the lovers
of money and honour, when they seek their pleasures under the guidance
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pleasures which wisdom shows them, will also have the truest pleasures in
the highest degree which is attainable to them, inasmuch as they follow
truth; E and they will have the pleasures which are natural to them, if that
which is best for each one is also most natural to him?
Yes, certainly; the best is the most natural. 300
And when the whole soul follows the philosophical principle, and there is
no division, the several parts are just, 587 and do each of them their own
business, and enjoy severally the best and truest pleasures of which they are
capable?
Exactly.
But when either of the two other principles prevails, it fails in attaining
its own pleasure, and compels the rest to pursue after a pleasure which is a
shadow only and which is not their own?
True.
And the greater the interval which separates them from philosophy and
reason, the more strange and illusive will be the pleasure?
Yes.
And is not that farthest from reason which is at the greatest distance from
law and order?
Clearly.
And the lustful and tyrannical desires are, as we saw, at the B greatest
distance?
Yes.
And the royal and orderly desires are nearest?
Yes.
Then the tyrant will live at the greatest distance from true or natural
pleasure, and the king at the least?
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But if so, the tyrant will live most unpleasantly, and the king most
pleasantly?
Inevitably.
The measure of the interval which separates the king from the tyrant, Would you know
the measure of the interval which separates them?
Will you tell me?
There appear to be three pleasures, one genuine and two C spurious:
now the transgression of the tyrant reaches a point beyond the spurious; he
has run away from the region of law and reason, and taken up his abode
with certain slave pleasures which are his satellites, and the measure of his
inferiority can only be expressed in a figure.
How do you mean?
I assume, I said, that the tyrant is in the third place from the oligarch; the
democrat was in the middle? 301
Yes.
And if there is truth in what has preceded, he will be wedded to an image
of pleasure which is thrice removed as to truth from the pleasure of the
oligarch?
He will.
And the oligarch is third from the royal; since we count D as one royal
and aristocratical?
Yes, he is third.
Then the tyrant is removed from true pleasure by the space of a number
which is three times three?
Manifestly.
The shadow then
expressed under the symbol of a cube corresponding to the number 729.
of tyrannical pleasure determined by the number of length will be a plane
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And if you raise the power and make the plane a solid, there is no
difficulty in seeing how vast is the interval by which the tyrant is parted
from the king.
Yes; the arithmetician will easily do the sum.
Or if some person begins at the other end and measures E the interval by
which the king is parted from the tyrant in truth of pleasure, he will find
him, when the multiplication is completed, living 729 times more
pleasantly, and the tyrant more painfully by this same interval.
What a wonderful calculation! And how enormous is the 588 distance
which separates the just from the unjust in regard to pleasure and pain!
Yet a true calculation, I said,
which is nearly the number of days and nights in a year.
and a number which nearly concerns human life, if human beings are
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3 729 nearly equals the number of days and nights in the year.

Yes, he said, human life is certainly concerned with them.
Then if the good and just man be thus superior in pleasure to the evil and
unjust, his superiority will be infinitely greater in propriety of life and in
beauty and virtue?
Immeasurably greater.
B Well, I said, and now having arrived at this
Refutation of Thrasymachus.
stage of the argument, we may revert to the words which brought us hither:
Was not some one saying that injustice was a gain to the perfectly unjust
who was reputed to be just?
Yes, that was said. 302
Now then, having determined the power and quality of justice and
injustice, let us have a little conversation with him.
What shall we say to him?
Let us make an image of the soul, that he may have his own words
presented before his eyes.
C Of what sort?
An ideal image of the soul,
The triple animal who has outwardly the image of a man.
like the composite creations of ancient mythology, such as the Chimera or
Scylla or Cerberus, and there are many others in which two or more
different natures are said to grow into one.
There are said of have been such unions.
Then do you now model the form of a multitudinous, many-headed
monster, having a ring of heads of all manner of beasts, tame and wild,
which he is able to generate and metamorphose at will.
D You suppose marvellous powers in the artist; but, as language is more
pliable than wax or any similar substance, let there be such a model as you
propose.
Suppose now that you make a second form as of a lion, and a third of a
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That, he said, is an easier task; and I have made them as you say.
And now join them, and let the three grow into one.
That has been accomplished.
Next fashion the outside of them into a single image, as of a man, so that
he who is not able to look within, and sees E only the outer hull, may
believe the beast to be a single human creature.
I have done so, he said.
Will any one say that we should strengthen the monster and the lion at the expense of the man?
And now, to him who maintains that it is profitable for the human creature
to be unjust, and unprofitable to be just, let us reply that, if he be right, it is
profitable for this creature to feast the multitudinous monster and strengthen
the lion and 589 the lion-like qualities, but to starve and weaken the man,
who is consequently liable to be dragged about at the mercy of either of the
other two; and he is not to attempt to familiarize or harmonize them with
one another—he ought rather to suffer them to fight and bite and devour
one another. 303
Certainly, he said; that is what the approver of injustice says.
To him the supporter of justice makes answer that he should ever so
speak and act as to give the man within him in some way or other the most
complete mastery over the B entire human creature. He should watch over
the many-headed monster like a good husbandman, fostering and
cultivating the gentle qualities, and preventing the wild ones from growing;
he should be making the lion-heart his ally, and in common care of them all
should be uniting the several parts with one another and with himself.
Yes, he said, that is quite what the maintainer of justice say.
And so from every point of view, whether of pleasure, C honour, or
advantage, the approver of justice is right and speaks the truth, and the
disapprover is wrong and false and ignorant?
Yes, from every point of view.
Come,
For the noble principle subjects the beast to the man, the ignoble the man to the beast.
now, and let us gently reason with the unjust, who is not intentionally in
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noble and ignoble? D Is not the noble that which subjects the beast to the
man, or rather to the god in man; and the ignoble that which subjects the
man to the beast?’ He can hardly avoid saying Yes—can he now?
Not if he has any regard for my opinion.
But, if he agree so far, we may ask him to answer another question:
‘Then how would a man profit if he received gold and silver on the
condition that he was to enslave the noblest part of him to the worst? A man
would not be the gainer if he sold his child: how much worse to sell his soul! Who can imagine
that a man who E sold his son or daughter into slavery for money,
especially if he sold them into the hands of fierce and evil men, would be
the gainer, however large might be the sum which he received? And will
any one say that he is not a miserable 590 caitiff who remorselessly sells
his own divine being to that which is most godless and detestable? Eriphyle
took the necklace as the price of her husband’s life, but he is taking a bribe
in order to compass a worse ruin.’
Yes, said Glaucon, far worse—I will answer for him.
Has not the intemperate been censured of old, because in 304 him the
huge multiform monster is allowed to be too much at large?
Clearly.
Proofs:–(1) Men are blamed for the predominance of the lower nature, And men are
blamed for pride and bad temper when the B lion and serpent element in
them disproportionately grows and gains strength?
Yes.
And luxury and softness are blamed, because they relax and weaken this
same creature, and make a coward of him?
Very true.
And is not a man reproached for flattery and meanness who subordinates
the spirited animal to the unruly monster, and, for the sake of money, of
which he can never have enough, habituates him in the days of his youth to
be trampled in the mire, and from being a lion to become a monkey?
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And why are mean employments and manual arts a reproach? Only
because they imply a natural weakness of the higher principle; the
individual is unable to control the creatures within him, but has to court
them, and his great study is how to flatter them.
(2) It is admitted that every one should be the servant of a divine rule, or at any rate be kept under
control by an external authority: Such appears to be the reason.

And therefore, being desirous of placing him under a rule like that of the
best, we say that he ought to be the servant D of the best, in whom the
Divine rules; not, as Thrasymachus supposed, to the injury of the servant,
but because every one had better be ruled by divine wisdom dwelling within
him; or, if this be impossible, then by an external authority, in order that we
may be all, as far as possible, under the same government, friends and
equals.
True, he said.
E And this is clearly seen to be the intention of the law, which is the ally
of the whole city; and is seen also in the authority which we exercise over
children, (3) The care taken of children shows that we seek to establish in them a higher
principle. and the refusal to let them be free until we have established in them
a principle analogous to the constitution of a state, and by 591 cultivation
of this higher element have set up in their hearts a guardian and ruler like
our own, and when this is done they may go their ways.
Yes, he said, the purpose of the law is manifest. 305
From what point of view, then, and on what ground can we say that a
man is profited by injustice or intemperance or other baseness, which will
make him a worse man, even though he acquire money or power by his
wickedness?
From no point of view at all.
What shall he profit, if his injustice be undetected and unpunished?
B He who is undetected only gets worse, whereas he who is detected and
punished has the brutal part of his nature silenced and humanized; the
gentler element in him is liberated, The wise man will employ his energies in freeing and
harmonizing the nobler elements of his nature and in regulating his bodily habits. and his whole
soul is perfected and ennobled by the acquirement of justice and
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beauty, strength and health, in proportion as the soul is more honourable
than the body.
Certainly, he said.
C To this nobler purpose the man of understanding will devote the
energies of his life. And in the first place, he will honour studies which
impress these qualities on his soul and will disregard others?
Clearly, he said.
In the next place, he will regulate his
His first aim not health but harmony of soul.
bodily habit and training, and so far will he be from yielding to brutal and
irrational pleasures, that he will regard even health as quite a secondary
matter; his first object will be not that he may D be fair or strong or well,
unless he is likely thereby to gain temperance, but he will always desire so
to attemper the body as to preserve the harmony of the soul?
Certainly he will, if he has true music in him.
And in the acquisition of wealth there is a principle of order and harmony
which he will also observe; he will not allow himself to be dazzled by the
foolish applause of the world, and heap up riches to his own infinite harm?
Certainly not, he said.
E He will look at the city which is within him,
He will not heap up riches,
and take heed that no disorder occur in it, such as might arise either from
superfluity or from want; and upon this principle he will regulate his
property and gain or spend according to his means.
Very true.
and he will only accept such political honours as will not deteriorate his character. And, for
the same reason, he will gladly accept and enjoy 306 592 such honours as he
deems likely to make him a better man; but those, whether private or public,
which are likely to disorder his life, he will avoid?
Then, if that is his motive, he will not be a statesman.
By the dog of Egypt, he will! in the city which is his own he certainly
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I
He has a city of his own, and the ideal pattern of this will be the law of his life.
understand; you mean that he will be a ruler in the city of which we are the
founders, and which exists in idea only; B for I do not believe that there is
such an one anywhere on earth?
In heaven, I replied, there is laid up a pattern of it, methinks, which he
who desires may behold, and beholding, may set his own house in order4.
But whether such an one exists, or ever will exist in fact, is no matter; for he
will live after the manner of that city, having nothing to do with any other.
4 Or ‘take up his abode there.’

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BOOK X.

Steph.
595 OF the many excellences which I perceive
Republic X. SOCRATES, GLAUCON.
in the order of our State, there is none which upon reflection pleases me
better than the rule about poetry.
To what do you refer?
To the rejection of imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be
received; as I see far more clearly now that B the parts of the soul have
been distinguished.
What do you mean?
Speaking in confidence, for I
Poetical imitations are ruinous to the mind of the hearer.
should not like to have my words repeated to the tragedians and the rest of
the imitative tribe—but I do not mind saying to you, that all poetical
imitations are ruinous to the understanding of the hearers, and that the
knowledge of their true nature is the only antidote to them.
Explain the purport of your remark.
Well, I will tell you, although I have always from my earliest youth had
an awe and love of Homer, which even now makes the words falter on my
lips, for he is the great C captain and teacher of the whole of that charming
tragic company; but a man is not to be reverenced more than the truth, and
therefore I will speak out.
Very good, he said.
Listen to me then, or rather, answer me.
Put your question.
The nature of imitation. Can you tell me what imitation is? for I really do not
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596 Why not? for the duller eye may often see a thing sooner than the
keener.
Very true, he said; but in your presence, even if I had any 308 faint notion,
I could not muster courage to utter it. Will you enquire yourself?
Well then, shall we begin the enquiry in our usual manner: Whenever a
number of individuals have a common name, we assume them to have also
a corresponding idea or form:—do you understand me?
I do.
The idea is one, but the objects comprehended under it are many. Let us take any
common instance; there are beds and B tables in the world—plenty of
them, are there not?
Yes.
But there are only two ideas or forms of them—one the idea of a bed, the
other of a table.
True.
And the maker of either of them makes a bed or he makes a table for our
use, in accordance with the idea—that is our way of speaking in this and
similar instances—but no artificer makes the ideas themselves: how could
he?
Impossible.
And there is another artist,—I should like to know what you would say of
him.
C Who is he?
The universal creator an extraordinary person. But note also that everybody is a creator in a
sense. For all things may be made by the reflection of them in a mirror. One who is the
maker of all the works of all other workmen.
What an extraordinary man!
Wait a little, and there will be more reason for your saying so. For this is
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animals, himself and all other things—the earth and heaven, and the things
which are in heaven or under the earth; he makes the gods also.
D He must be a wizard and no mistake.
Oh! you are incredulous, are you? Do you mean that there is no such
maker or creator, or that in one sense there might be a maker of all these
things but in another not? Do you see that there is a way in which you could
make them all yourself?
What way?
An easy way enough; or rather, there are many ways in which the feat
might be quickly and easily accomplished, none quicker than that of turning
a mirror round and round—you E would soon enough make the sun and
the heavens, and the earth and yourself, and other animals and plants, and
309 all the other things of which we were just now speaking, in the mirror.

Yes, he said; but they would be appearances only.
Very good, I
But this is an appearance only: and the painter too is a maker of appearances.
said, you are coming to the point now. And the painter too is, as I conceive,
just such another—a creator of appearances, is he not?
Of course.
But then I suppose you will say that what he creates is untrue. And yet
there is a sense in which the painter also creates a bed?
Yes, he said, but not a real bed.
597 And what of the maker of the bed? were you not saying that he too
makes, not the idea which, according to our view, is the essence of the bed,
but only a particular bed?
Yes, I did.
Then if he does not make that which exists he cannot make true
existence, but only some semblance of existence; and if any one were to say
that the work of the maker of the bed, or of any other workman, has real
existence, he could hardly be supposed to be speaking the truth.
At any rate, he replied, philosophers would say that he was not speaking
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No wonder, then, that his work too is an indistinct expression of truth.
B No wonder.
Suppose now that by the light of the examples just offered we enquire
who this imitator is?
If you please.
Well then, here are three beds: one existing
Three beds and three makers of beds.
in nature, which is made by God, as I think that we may say—for no one
else can be the maker?
No.
There is another which is the work of the carpenter?
Yes.
And the work of the painter is a third?
Yes.
Beds, then, are of three kinds, and there are three artists who superintend
them: God, the maker of the bed, and the painter?
Yes, there are three of them. 310
C God, whether from choice or from necessity, made one bed in nature
and one only; two or more such ideal beds neither ever have been nor ever
will be made by God.
Why is that?
(1) The creator. God could only make one bed; if he made two, a third would still appear behind
them. Because even if He had made but two, a third would still appear
behind them which both of them would have for their idea, and that would
be the ideal bed and not the two others.
Very true, he said.
D God knew this, and He desired to be the real maker of a real bed, not
a particular maker of a particular bed, and therefore He created a bed which
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So we believe.
Shall we, then, speak of Him as the natural author or maker of the bed?
Yes, he replied; inasmuch as by the natural process of creation He is the
author of this and of all other things.
And what shall we say of the carpenter—is not he also
(2) The human maker.
the maker of the bed?
Yes.
But would you call the painter a creator and maker?
Certainly not.
Yet if he is not the maker, what is he in relation to the bed?
E I think, he said, that we may fairly
(3) The imitator, i.e. the painter or poet,
designate him as the imitator of that which the others make.
Good, I said; then you call him who is third in the descent from nature an
imitator?
Certainly, he said.
And the tragic poet is an imitator, and therefore, like all other imitators,
he is thrice removed from the king and from the truth?
That appears to be so.
Then about the imitator we are agreed. And what about 598 the painter?
—I would like to know whether he may be thought to imitate that which
originally exists in nature, or only the creations of artists?
The latter.
As they are or as they appear? you have still to determine this. 311
What do you mean?
I mean,
whose art is one of imitation or appearance and a long way removed from the truth.
that you may look at a bed from different points of view, obliquely or
directly or from any other point of view, and the bed will appear different,
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Yes, he said, the difference is only apparent.
B Now let me ask you another question: Which is the art of painting
designed to be—an imitation of things as they are, or as they appear—of
appearance or of reality?
Of appearance.
Then the imitator, I
Any one who does all things does only a very small part of them.
said, is a long way off the truth, and can do all things because he lightly
touches on a small part of them, and that part an image. For example: A
painter will paint a cobbler, carpenter, or any other artist, though he
C knows nothing of their arts; and, if he is a good artist, he may deceive
children or simple persons, when he shows them his picture of a carpenter
from a distance, and they will fancy that they are looking at a real carpenter.
Certainly.
And
Any one who pretends to know all things is ignorant of the very nature of knowledge.
whenever any one informs us that he has found a man who knows all the
arts, and all things else that anybody knows, and every single thing with a
higher degree of accuracy D than any other man—whoever tells us this, I
think that we can only imagine him to be a simple creature who is likely to
have been deceived by some wizard or actor whom he met, and whom he
thought all-knowing, because he himself was unable to analyse the nature of
knowledge and ignorance and imitation.
Most true.
And so,
And he who attributes such universal knowledge to the poets is similarly deceived.
when we hear persons saying that the tragedians, and Homer, who is at their
head, know all the arts and all E things human, virtue as well as vice, and
divine things too, for that the good poet cannot compose well unless he
knows his subject, and that he who has not this knowledge can never be a
poet, we ought to consider whether here also there may not be a similar
illusion. Perhaps they may have come across imitators and been deceived
by them; they may not have remembered when they saw their works that
599 these were but imitations thrice removed from the truth, and could
easily be made without any knowledge of the truth, 312 because they are
appearances only and not realities? Or, after all, they may be in the right,
and poets do really know the things about which they seem to the many to
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The question, he said, should by all means be considered.
Now do you suppose that
He who could make the original would not make the image.
if a person were able to make the original as well as the image, he would
seriously devote himself to the image-making branch? Would he allow
imitation to be the ruling principle of his life, as if he had B nothing higher
in him?
I should say not.
The real artist, who knew what he was imitating, would be interested in
realities and not in imitations; and would desire to leave as memorials of
himself works many and fair; and, instead of being the author of
encomiums, he would prefer to be the theme of them.
Yes, he said, that would be to him a source of much greater honour and
profit.
If Homer had been a legislator, or general, or inventor, Then, I said, we must put a
question to Homer; not about C medicine, or any of the arts to which his
poems only incidentally refer: we are not going to ask him, or any other
poet, whether he has cured patients like Asclepius, or left behind him a
school of medicine such as the Asclepiads were, or whether he only talks
about medicine and other arts at second-hand; but we have a right to know
respecting military tactics, politics, education, which are the chiefest D and
noblest subjects of his poems, and we may fairly ask him about them.
‘Friend Homer,’ then we say to him, ‘if you are only in the second remove
from truth in what you say of virtue, and not in the third—not an image
maker or imitator—and if you are able to discern what pursuits make men
better or worse in private or public life, tell us what State was ever better
governed by your help? The good E order of Lacedaemon is due to
Lycurgus, and many other cities great and small have been similarly
benefited by others; but who says that you have been a good legislator to
them and have done them any good? Italy and Sicily boast of Charondas,
and there is Solon who is renowned among us; but what city has anything to
say about you?’ Is there any city which he might name?
I think not, said Glaucon; not even the Homerids themselves pretend that
he was a legislator. 313
600 Well, but is there any war on record which was carried on
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There is not.
Or is there any invention1 of his, applicable to the arts or to human life,
such as Thales the Milesian or Anacharsis the Scythian, and other ingenious
men have conceived, which is attributed to him?
1 Omitting εἰς.

There is absolutely nothing of the kind.
But, if Homer never did any public service, was he privately a guide or
teacher of any? Had he in his lifetime friends B who loved to associate
with him, and who handed down to posterity an Homeric way of life, such
as was established by Pythagoras who was so greatly beloved for his
wisdom, and whose followers are to this day quite celebrated for the order
which was named after him?
Nothing of the kind is recorded of him. For surely, Socrates, Creophylus,
the companion of Homer, that child of flesh, whose name always makes us
laugh, might be more justly ridiculed for his stupidity, if, as is said, Homer
was C greatly neglected by him and others in his own day when he was
alive?
or had done anything else for the improvement of mankind, he would not have been allowed to
starve. Yes, I replied, that is the tradition. But can you imagine, Glaucon, that
if Homer had really been able to educate and improve mankind—if he had
possessed knowledge and not been a mere imitator—can you imagine, I say,
that he would not have had many followers, and been honoured and loved
by them? Protagoras of Abdera, and Prodicus of Ceos, and a host of others,
have only to whisper to their contemporaries: D ‘You will never be able to
manage either your own house or your own State until you appoint us to be
your ministers of education’—and this ingenious device of theirs has such
an effect in making men love them that their companions all but carry them
about on their shoulders. And is it conceivable that the contemporaries of
Homer, or again of Hesiod, would have allowed either of them to go about
as rhapsodists, if they had really been able to make mankind virtuous?
Would they not have been as unwilling to part with them as with gold, and
have compelled them to stay 314 E at home with them? Or, if the master
would not stay, then the disciples would have followed him about
everywhere, until they had got education enough?
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Then must we not infer that all these
The poets, like the painters, are but imitators;
poetical individuals, beginning with Homer, are only imitators; they copy
images 601 of virtue and the like, but the truth they never reach? The poet
is like a painter who, as we have already observed, will make a likeness of a
cobbler though he understands nothing of cobbling; and his picture is good
enough for those who know no more than he does, and judge only by
colours and figures.
Quite so.
In like manner the poet with his words and phrases2 may be said to lay on
the colours of the several arts, himself understanding their nature only
enough to imitate them; and other people, who are as ignorant as he is, and
judge only from his words, imagine that if he speaks of cobbling, or of
military tactics, or of anything else, in metre and harmony B and rhythm,
he speaks very well—such is the sweet influence which melody and rhythm
by nature have. And I think that you must have observed again and again
what a poor appearance the tales of poets make when stripped of the colours
which music puts upon them, and recited in simple prose.
2 Or, ‘with his nouns and verbs.’

Yes, he said.
They are like faces which were never really beautiful, but only blooming;
and now the bloom of youth has passed away from them?
Exactly.
Here is another point: The imitator or maker
they know nothing of true existence.
of the image knows nothing of true existence; he knows appearances only.
C Am I not right?

Yes.
Then let us have a clear understanding, and not be satisfied with half an
explanation.
Proceed.
Of the painter we say that he will paint reins, and he will paint a bit?
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And the worker in leather and brass will make them?
Certainly.
The maker has more knowledge than the imitator, but less than the user. Three arts, using,
making, imitating. But does the painter know the right form of the bit and
reins? Nay, hardly even the workers in brass and leather who make them;
only the horseman who knows how to use them—he knows their right form.
Most true.
And may we not say the same of all things?
What?
D That there are three arts which are concerned with all things: one
which uses, another which makes, a third which imitates them?
Yes.
Goodness of things relative to use; hence the maker of them is instructed by the user. And the
excellence or beauty or truth of every structure, animate or inanimate, and
of every action of man, is relative to the use for which nature or the artist
has intended them.
True.
Then the user of them must have the greatest experience of them, and he
must indicate to the maker the good or bad qualities which develop
themselves in use; for example, the flute-player will tell the flute-maker
which of his flutes is satisfactory to the performer; he will tell him how he
ought E to make them, and the other will attend to his instructions?
Of course.
The one knows and therefore speaks with authority about the goodness
and badness of flutes, while the other, confiding in him, will do what he is
told by him?
True.
The instrument is the
The maker has belief and not knowledge, the imitator neither.
same, but about the excellence or badness of it the maker will only attain to
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him 602 and being compelled to hear what he has to say, whereas the user
will have knowledge?
True.
But will the imitator have either? Will he know from use whether or no
his drawing is correct or beautiful? or will he have right opinion from being
compelled to associate with another who knows and gives him instructions
about what he should draw? 316
Neither.
Then he will no more have true opinion than he will have knowledge
about the goodness or badness of his imitations?
I suppose not.
The imitative artist will be in a brilliant state of intelligence about his
own creations?
Nay, very much the reverse.
B And still he will go on imitating without knowing what makes a thing
good or bad, and may be expected therefore to imitate only that which
appears to be good to the ignorant multitude?
Just so.
Thus far then we are pretty well agreed that the imitator has no
knowledge worth mentioning of what he imitates. Imitation is only a kind
of play or sport, and the tragic poets, whether they write in Iambic or in
Heroic verse, are imitators in the highest degree?
Very true.
C And now tell me, I
Imitation has been proved to be thrice removed from the truth.
conjure you, has not imitation been shown by us to be concerned with that
which is thrice removed from the truth?
Certainly.
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I will explain: The body which is large when seen near, appears small
when seen at a distance?
True.
And the same object appears straight when looked at out of the water,
and crooked when in the water; and the concave becomes convex, owing to
the illusion about colours to which the sight is liable. Thus every sort of
confusion is revealed within us; D and this is that weakness of the human
mind on which the art of conjuring and of deceiving by light and shadow
and other ingenious devices imposes, having an effect upon us like magic.
True.
And the
The art of measuring given to man that he may correct the variety of appearances.
arts of measuring and numbering and weighing come to the rescue of the
human understanding—there 317 is the beauty of them—and the apparent
greater or less, or more or heavier, no longer have the mastery over us, but
give way before calculation and measure and weight?
Most true.
E And this, surely, must be the work of the calculating and rational
principle in the soul?
To be sure.
And when this principle measures and certifies that some things are
equal, or that some are greater or less than others, there occurs an apparent
contradiction?
True.
But were we not saying that such a contradiction is impossible—the same
faculty cannot have contrary opinions at the same time about the same
thing?
Very true.
603 Then that part of the soul which has an opinion contrary to measure
is not the same with that which has an opinion in accordance with measure?
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And the better part of the soul is likely to be that which trusts to measure
and calculation?
Certainly.
And that which is opposed to them is one of the inferior principles of the
soul?
No doubt.
This was the conclusion at which I was seeking to arrive when I said that
painting or drawing, and imitation in general, when doing their own proper
work, are far removed from truth, and the companions and friends and
associates of B a principle within us which is equally removed from
reason, and that they have no true or healthy aim.
Exactly.
The imitative art is an
The productions of the imitative arts are bastard and illegitimate.
inferior who marries an inferior, and has inferior offspring.
Very true.
And is this confined to the sight only, or does it extend to the hearing
also, relating in fact to what we term poetry?
Probably the same would be true of poetry.
Do not rely, I said, on a probability derived from the analogy of painting;
but let us examine further and see 318 C whether the faculty with which
poetical imitation is concerned is good or bad.
By all means.
We may state the question thus:—Imitation imitates the actions of men,
whether voluntary or involuntary, on which, as they imagine, a good or bad
result has ensued, and they rejoice or sorrow accordingly. Is there anything
more?
No, there is nothing else.
They imitate opposites; But in all this variety of circumstances is the man at
unity D with himself—or rather, as in the instance of sight there was
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is there not strife and inconsistency in his life? Though I need hardly raise
the question again, for I remember that all this has been already admitted;
and the soul has been acknowledged by us to be full of these and ten
thousand similar oppositions occurring at the same moment?
And we were right, he said.
Yes, I said, thus far we were right; but there was an E omission which
must now be supplied.
What was the omission?
Were we not saying that a good man, who has the misfortune to lose his
son or anything else which is most dear to him, will bear the loss with more
equanimity than another?
Yes.
But will he have no sorrow, or shall we say that
they encourage weakness;
although he cannot help sorrowing, he will moderate his sorrow?
The latter, he said, is the truer statement.
604 Tell me: will he be more likely to struggle and hold out against his
sorrow when he is seen by his equals, or when he is alone?
It will make a great difference whether he is seen or not.
When he is by himself he will not mind saying or doing many things
which he would be ashamed of any one hearing or seeing him do?
True.
There is a principle of law and reason in him which bids him resist, as
well as a feeling of his misfortune which is B forcing him to indulge his
sorrow? 319
True.
But when a man is drawn in two opposite directions, to and from the
same object, this, as we affirm, necessarily implies two distinct principles in
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One of them is ready to follow the guidance of the law?
How do you mean?
The law would say that to be
they are at variance with the exhortations of philosophy;
patient under suffering is best, and that we should not give way to
impatience, as there is no knowing whether such things are good or evil;
and nothing is gained by impatience; also, because no human C thing is of
serious importance, and grief stands in the way of that which at the moment
is most required.
What is most required? he asked.
That we should take counsel about what has happened, and when the dice
have been thrown order our affairs in the way which reason deems best; not,
like children who have had a fall, keeping hold of the part struck and
wasting time in setting up a howl, but always accustoming the soul
forthwith D to apply a remedy, raising up that which is sickly and fallen,
banishing the cry of sorrow by the healing art.
Yes, he said, that is the true way of meeting the attacks of fortune.
Yes, I said; and the higher principle is ready to follow this suggestion of
reason?
Clearly.
And the other principle, which inclines us to
they recall trouble and sorrow;
recollection of our troubles and to lamentation, and can never have enough
of them, we may call irrational, useless, and cowardly?
Indeed, we may.
E And does not the latter—I mean the rebellious principle—furnish a
great variety of materials for imitation? Whereas the wise and calm
temperament, being always nearly equable, is not easy to imitate or to
appreciate when imitated, especially at a public festival when a
promiscuous crowd is assembled in a theatre. For the feeling represented is
one to which they are strangers.
605 Certainly.
Then the imitative poet who aims at being popular is not 320 by nature
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the soul; but he will prefer the passionate and fitful temper, which is easily
imitated?
Clearly.
And now we may
they minister in an inferior manner to an inferior principle in the soul.
fairly take him and place him by the side of the painter, for he is like him in
two ways: first, inasmuch as his creations have an inferior degree of truth—
in this, B I say, he is like him; and he is also like him in being concerned
with an inferior part of the soul; and therefore we shall be right in refusing
to admit him into a well-ordered State, because he awakens and nourishes
and strengthens the feelings and impairs the reason. As in a city when the
evil are permitted to have authority and the good are put out of the way, so
in the soul of man, as we maintain, the imitative poet implants an evil
constitution, for he indulges the C irrational nature which has no
discernment of greater and less, but thinks the same thing at one time great
and at another small—he is a manufacturer of images and is very far
removed from the truth3.
3 Reading εἰδωλοποιοῦντα … ἀφεστῶτα.

Exactly.
But we have not yet brought forward the heaviest count in our
accusation:—the power which poetry has of harming even the good (and
there are very few who are not harmed), is surely an awful thing?
Yes, certainly, if the effect is what you say.
How can we be right in sympathizing with the sorrows of poetry when we would fain restrain
those of real life? Hear and judge: The best of us, as I conceive, when we listen
to a passage of Homer, or one of the tragedians, in D which he represents
some pitiful hero who is drawling out his sorrows in a long oration, or
weeping, and smiting his breast—the best of us, you know, delight in giving
way to sympathy, and are in raptures at the excellence of the poet who stirs
our feelings most.
Yes, of course I know.
But when any sorrow of our own happens to us, then you may observe
that we pride ourselves on the opposite quality—we would fain be quiet and
patient; this is the manly part, E and the other which delighted us in the
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Very true, he said. 321
Now can we be right in praising and admiring another who is doing that
which any one of us would abominate and be ashamed of in his own
person?
No, he said, that is certainly not reasonable.
606 Nay, I said, quite reasonable from one point of view.
What point of view?
If you consider, I
We fail to observe that a sentimental pity soon creates a real weakness.
said, that when in misfortune we feel a natural hunger and desire to relieve
our sorrow by weeping and lamentation, and that this feeling which is kept
under control in our own calamities is satisfied and delighted by the poets;
—the better nature in each of us, not having been sufficiently trained by
reason or habit, allows the sympathetic B element to break loose because
the sorrow is another’s; and the spectator fancies that there can be no
disgrace to himself in praising and pitying any one who comes telling him
what a good man he is, and making a fuss about his troubles; he thinks that
the pleasure is a gain, and why should he be supercilious and lose this and
the poem too? Few persons ever reflect, as I should imagine, that from the
evil of other men something of evil is communicated to themselves. And so
the feeling of sorrow which has gathered strength at the sight of the
misfortunes of others is with difficulty repressed in our own.
C How very true!
And does not the
In like manner the love of comedy may turn a man into a buffoon.
same hold also of the ridiculous? There are jests which you would be
ashamed to make yourself, and yet on the comic stage, or indeed in private,
when you hear them, you are greatly amused by them, and are not at all
disgusted at their unseemliness;—the case of pity is repeated;—there is a
principle in human nature which is disposed to raise a laugh, and this which
you once restrained by reason, because you were afraid of being thought a
buffoon, is now let out again; and having stimulated the risible faculty at the
theatre, you are betrayed unconsciously to yourself into playing the comic
poet at home.
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D And the same may be said of lust and anger and all the other
affections, of desire and pain and pleasure, which are held to be inseparable
from every action—in all of them 322 poetry feeds and waters the passions
instead of drying them up; she lets them rule, although they ought to be
controlled, if mankind are ever to increase in happiness and virtue.
I cannot deny it.
E Therefore, Glaucon,
We are lovers of Homer, but we must expel him from our State.
I said, whenever you meet with any of the eulogists of Homer declaring that
he has been the educator of Hellas, and that he is profitable for education
and for the ordering of human things, and that you should 607 take him up
again and again and get to know him and regulate your whole life according
to him, we may love and honour those who say these things—they are
excellent people, as far as their lights extend; and we are ready to
acknowledge that Homer is the greatest of poets and first of tragedy writers;
but we must remain firm in our conviction that hymns to the gods and
praises of famous men are the only poetry which ought to be admitted into
our State. For if you go beyond this and allow the honeyed muse to enter,
either in epic or lyric verse, not law and the reason of mankind, which by
common consent have ever been deemed best, but pleasure and pain will be
the rulers in our State.
That is most true, he said.
B And now since we have reverted to the subject of
Apology to the poets.
poetry, let this our defence serve to show the reasonableness of our former
judgment in sending away out of our State an art having the tendencies
which we have described; for reason constrained us. But that she may not
impute to us any harshness or want of politeness, let us tell her that there is
an ancient quarrel between philosophy and poetry; of which there are many
proofs, such as the saying of ‘the yelping hound howling at her lord,’ or of
one ‘mighty in C the vain talk of fools,’ and ‘the mob of sages
circumventing Zeus,’ and the ‘subtle thinkers who are beggars after all’; and
there are innumerable other signs of ancient enmity between them.
Notwithstanding this, let us assure our sweet friend and the sister arts of
imitation, that if she will only prove her title to exist in a well-ordered State
we shall be delighted to receive her—we are very conscious of her charms;
but we may not on that account betray the truth. 323 I dare say, Glaucon, that
you are as much charmed by her D as I am, especially when she appears in
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Yes, indeed, I am greatly charmed.
Shall I propose, then, that she be allowed to return from exile, but upon
this condition only—that she make a defence of herself in lyrical or some
other metre?
Certainly.
And we may further grant to those of her defenders who are lovers of
poetry and yet not poets the permission to speak in prose on her behalf: let
them show not only that she is pleasant but also useful to States and to
human life, and we will listen in a kindly spirit; for if this can be proved
E we shall surely be the gainers—I mean, if there is a use in poetry as well
as a delight?
Certainly, he said, we shall be the gainers.
If her defence fails, then, my dear friend, like other persons who are
enamoured of something, but put a restraint upon themselves when they
think their desires are opposed to their interests, so too must we after the
manner of lovers give her up, though not without a struggle. Poetry is attractive
but not true. We too are inspired by that love of poetry which the education
608 of noble States has implanted in us, and therefore we would have her
appear at her best and truest; but so long as she is unable to make good her
defence, this argument of ours shall be a charm to us, which we will repeat
to ourselves while we listen to her strains; that we may not fall away into
the childish love of her which captivates the many. At all events we are well
aware4 that poetry being such as we have described is not to be regarded
seriously as attaining to the truth; and he who listens to her, fearing for the
safety of the B city which is within him, should be on his guard against her
seductions and make our words his law.
4 Or, if we accept Madvig’s ingenious but unnecessary emendation ᾀσόμεθα,
‘At all events we will sing, that’ &c.

Yes, he said, I quite agree with you.
Yes, I said, my dear Glaucon, for great is the issue at stake, greater than
appears, whether a man is to be good or bad. And what will any one be
profited if under the influence of honour or money or power, aye, or under
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Yes, he said; I have been convinced by the argument, as I believe that any
one else would have been.
CAnd yet no mention has been made of the greatest prizes and rewards
which await virtue.
What, are there any greater still? If there are, they must be of an
inconceivable greatness.
The rewards of virtue extend not only to this little space of human life but to the whole of
existence. Why, I said, what was ever great in a short time? The whole period
of three score years and ten is surely but a little thing in comparison with
eternity?
Say rather ‘nothing,’ he replied.
And should an immortal being seriously think of this little D space
rather than of the whole?
Of the whole, certainly. But why do you ask?
Are you not aware, I said, that the soul of man is immortal and
imperishable?
He looked at me in astonishment, and said: No, by heaven: And are you
really prepared to maintain this?
Yes, I said, I ought to be, and you too—there is no difficulty in proving it.
I see a great difficulty; but I should like to hear you state this argument of
which you make so light.
Listen then.
I am attending.
There is a thing which you call good and another which you call evil?
Yes, he replied.
E Would you agree with me in thinking that the corrupting and
destroying element is the evil, and the saving and improving element the
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Everything has a good and an evil, and if not destroyed by its own evil, will not be destroyed by
that of another. And you admit that every thing has a good and also an evil;
609 as ophthalmia is the evil of the eyes and disease of the whole body; as
mildew is of corn, and rot of timber, or rust of copper and iron: in
everything, or in almost everything, there is an inherent evil and disease?
Yes, he said.
And anything which is infected by any of these evils is made evil, and at
last wholly dissolves and dies?
True.
The vice and evil which is inherent in each is the destruction 325 of each;
and if this does not destroy them there is nothing else that will; B for good
certainly will not destroy them, nor again, that which is neither good nor
evil.
Certainly not.
If, then, we find any nature which having this inherent corruption cannot
be dissolved or destroyed, we may be certain that of such a nature there is
no destruction?
That may be assumed.
Well, I said, and is there no evil which corrupts the soul?
Yes, he said, there are all the evils which we were just now C passing in
review: unrighteousness, intemperance, cowardice, ignorance.
Therefore, if the soul cannot be destroyed by moral evil, she certainly will not be destroyed by
physical evil. But does any of these dissolve or destroy her?—and here do not
let us fall into the error of supposing that the unjust and foolish man, when
he is detected, perishes through his own injustice, which is an evil of the
soul. Take the analogy of the body: The evil of the body is a disease which
wastes and reduces and annihilates the body; and all the things of which we
were just now speaking come to annihilation D through their own
corruption attaching to them and inhering in them and so destroying them.
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Consider the soul in like manner. Does the injustice or other evil which
exists in the soul waste and consume her? Do they by attaching to the soul
and inhering in her at last bring her to death, and so separate her from the
body?
Certainly not.
And yet, I said, it is unreasonable to suppose that anything can perish
from without through affection of external evil which could not be
destroyed from within by a corruption of its own?
It is, he replied.
E Consider, I said, Glaucon, that even the badness of food, whether
staleness, decomposition, or any other bad quality, when confined to the
actual food, is not supposed to destroy the body; although, if the badness of
food communicates corruption to the body, then we should say that the
body 610 has been destroyed by a corruption of itself, which is disease,
brought on by this; but that the body, being one thing, can be destroyed by
the badness of food, which 326 is another, and which does not engender any
natural infection—this we shall absolutely deny?
Very true.
Evil means the contagion of evil, and the evil of the body does not infect the soul. And, on
the same principle, unless some bodily evil can produce an evil of the soul,
we must not suppose that the soul, which is one thing, can be dissolved by
any merely external evil which belongs to another?
Yes, he said, there is reason in that.
Either, then, let us refute this conclusion, or, while it B remains
unrefuted, let us never say that fever, or any other disease, or the knife put
to the throat, or even the cutting up of the whole body into the minutest
pieces, can destroy the soul, until she herself is proved to become more
unholy or unrighteous in consequence of these things being done to the
body; but that the soul, or anything else if not destroyed C by an internal
evil, can be destroyed by an external one, is not to be affirmed by any man.
And surely, he replied, no one will ever prove that the souls of men
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But if some one who would rather not admit the immortality of the soul
boldly denies this, and says that the dying do really become more evil and
unrighteous, then, if the speaker is right, I suppose that injustice, like
disease, must be assumed to be fatal to the unjust, and that those who take
D this disorder die by the natural inherent power of destruction which evil
has, and which kills them sooner or later, but in quite another way from that
in which, at present, the wicked receive death at the hands of others as the
penalty of their deeds?
Nay, he said, in that case injustice, if fatal to the unjust, will not be so
very terrible to him, for he will be delivered from evil. But I rather suspect
the opposite to be the truth, E and that injustice which, if it have the power,
will murder others, keeps the murderer alive—aye, and well awake too; so
far removed is her dwelling-place from being a house of death.
True, I said; if the inherent natural vice or evil of the soul is unable to kill
or destroy her, hardly will that which is appointed to be the destruction of
some other body, destroy a soul or anything else except that of which it was
appointed to be the destruction. 327
Yes, that can hardly be.
But the soul which cannot be destroyed by an evil, whether 611 inherent
or external, must exist for ever, and if existing for ever, must be immortal?
Certainly.
That is the
If the soul is indestructible, the number of souls can never increase or diminish.
conclusion, I said; and, if a true conclusion, then the souls must always be
the same, for if none be destroyed they will not diminish in number. Neither
will they increase, for the increase of the immortal natures must come from
something mortal, and all things would thus end in immortality.
Very true.
But this we cannot believe—reason will not allow us—any B more than
we can believe the soul, in her truest nature, to be full of variety and
difference and dissimilarity.
What do you mean? he said.
The soul, I said, being, as is now proven, immortal, must be the fairest of
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Certainly not.
Her
The soul, if she is to be seen truly, should be stripped of the accidents of earth.
immortality is demonstrated by the previous argument, and there are many
other proofs; but to see her as she C really is, not as we now behold her,
marred by communion with the body and other miseries, you must
contemplate her with the eye of reason, in her original purity; and then her
beauty will be revealed, and justice and injustice and all the things which
we have described will be manifested more clearly. Thus far, we have
spoken the truth concerning her as she appears at present, but we must
remember also that we have seen her only in a condition which may be
compared to D that of the sea-god Glaucus, whose original image can
hardly be discerned because his natural members are broken off and crushed
and damaged by the waves in all sorts of ways, and incrustations have
grown over them of seaweed and shells and stones, so that he is more like
some monster than he is to his own natural form. And the soul which we
behold is in a similar condition, disfigured by ten thousand ills. But not
there, Glaucon, not there must we look.
Where then?
E At her love of wisdom. Let us see
Her true conversation is with the eternal.
whom she affects, and 328 what society and converse she seeks in virtue of
her near kindred with the immortal and eternal and divine; also how
different she would become if wholly following this superior principle, and
borne by a divine impulse out of the ocean in which she now is, and
disengaged from the stones and shells and things of earth and rock which in
wild variety spring up 612 around her because she feeds upon earth, and is
overgrown by the good things of this life as they are termed: then you
would see her as she is, and know whether she have one shape only or
many, or what her nature is. Of her affections and of the forms which she
takes in this present life I think that we have now said enough.
True, he replied.
Having put aside for argument’s sake the rewards of virtue, we may now claim to have them
restored. And thus, I said, we have fulfilled the conditions of the argument5;
B we have not introduced the rewards and glories of justice, which, as you
were saying, are to be found in Homer and Hesiod; but justice in her own
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do what is just, whether he have the ring of Gyges or not, and even if in
addition to the ring of Gyges he put on the helmet of Hades.
5 Reading ἀπελυσάμεθα.

Very true.
And now, Glaucon, there will be no harm in further enumerating how
many and how great are the rewards which C justice and the other virtues
procure to the soul from gods and men, both in life and after death.
Certainly not, he said.
Will you repay me, then, what you borrowed in the argument?
What did I borrow?
The assumption that the just man should appear unjust and the unjust
just: for you were of opinion that even if the true state of the case could not
possibly escape the eyes of gods and men, still this admission ought to be
made for the sake of the argument, in order that pure justice might be
D weighed against pure injustice. Do you remember?

I should be much to blame if I had forgotten.
Then, as the cause is decided, I demand on behalf of justice that the
estimation in which she is held by gods and 329 men and which we
acknowledge to be her due should now be restored to her by us6; since she
has been shown to confer reality, and not to deceive those who truly possess
her, let what has been taken from her be given back, that so she may win
that palm of appearance which is hers also, and which she gives to her own.
6 Reading ἡμῶν.

E The demand, he said, is just.
In the first place, I said—and this is the first thing which you will have to
give back—the nature both of the just and unjust is truly known to the gods.
Granted.
The just man is the friend of the gods, and all things work together for his good. And if they
are both known to them, one must be the friend and the other the enemy of
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True.
613 And the friend of the gods may be supposed to receive from them
all things at their best, excepting only such evil as is the necessary
consequence of former sins?
Certainly.
Then this must be our notion of the just man, that even when he is in
poverty or sickness, or any other seeming misfortune, all things will in the
end work together for good to him in life and death: for the gods have a care
of any one whose desire is to become just and to be like God, as far as
B man can attain the divine likeness, by the pursuit of virtue?

Yes, he said; if he is like God he will surely not be neglected by him.
The unjust is the opposite. And of the unjust may not the opposite be
supposed?
Certainly.
Such, then, are the palms of victory which the gods give the just?
That is my conviction.
And what do they
He may be compared to a runner who is only good at the start.
receive of men? Look at things as they really are, and you will see that the
clever unjust are in the case of runners, who run well from the starting-place
to the goal but not back again from the goal: they go off at a great pace,
C but in the end only look foolish, slinking away with their ears draggling
on their shoulders, and without a crown; but the true runner comes to the
finish and receives the 330 prize and is crowned. And this is the way with
the just; he who endures to the end of every action and occasion of his
entire life has a good report and carries off the prize which men have to
bestow.
True.
Recapitulation of things unfit for ears polite which had been described by Glaucon in Book II.
And now you must allow me to repeat of the just the blessings which you
were attributing to the fortunate unjust. D I shall say of them, what you
were saying of the others, that as they grow older, they become rulers in
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marriage to whom they will; all that you said of the others I now say of
these. And, on the other hand, of the unjust I say that the greater number,
even though they escape in their youth, are found out at last and look
foolish at the end of their course, and when they come to be old and
miserable are flouted alike by stranger and citizen; they are beaten and
E then come those things unfit for ears polite, as you truly term them; they
will be racked and have their eyes burned out, as you were saying. And you
may suppose that I have repeated the remainder of your tale of horrors. But
will you let me assume, without reciting them, that these things are true?
Certainly, he said, what you say is true.
614 These, then, are the prizes and rewards and gifts which are
bestowed upon the just by gods and men in this present life, in addition to
the other good things which justice of herself provides.
Yes, he said; and they are fair and lasting.
And yet, I said, all these are as nothing either in number or greatness in
comparison with those other recompenses which await both just and unjust
after death. And you ought to hear them, and then both just and unjust will
have received from us a full payment of the debt which the argument owes
to them.
B Speak, he said; there are few things which I would more gladly hear.
SOCRATES. The vision of Er. Well, I said, I will tell you a tale; not one of the
tales which Odysseus tells to the hero Alcinous, yet this too is a tale of a
hero, Er the son of Armenius, a Pamphylian by birth. He was slain in battle,
and ten days afterwards, when the bodies of the dead were taken up already
in a state of corruption, his body was found unaffected by decay, and 331
carried away home to be buried. And on the twelfth day, as he was lying on
the funeral pile, he returned to life and told them what he had seen in the
other world. The judgement. He said that when his soul left the body he went
on a journey with a great company, C and that they came to a mysterious
place at which there were two openings in the earth; they were near
together, and over against them were two other openings in the heaven
above. The two openings in heaven and the two in earth through which passed those who were
beginning and those who had completed their pilgrimage. In the intermediate space there
were judges seated, who commanded the just, after they had given
judgment on them and had bound their sentences in front of them, to ascend
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bidden by them to descend by the lower way on the left hand; these also
bore the symbols of their deeds, but fastened on their backs. He drew near,
D and they told him that he was to be the messenger who would carry the
report of the other world to men, and they bade him hear and see all that
was to be heard and seen in that place. Then he beheld and saw on one side
the souls departing at either opening of heaven and earth when sentence had
been given on them; and at the two other openings other souls, some
ascending out of the earth dusty and worn with travel, some descending out
of heaven clean and bright. And E arriving ever and anon they seemed to
have come from a long journey, and they went forth with gladness into the
meadow, where they encamped as at a festival; and those who knew one
another embraced and conversed, the souls which came from earth
curiously enquiring about the things above, The meeting in the meadow. and the
souls which came from heaven about the things beneath. And they told one
another of what had happened by the way, those from below weeping and
sorrowing 615 at the remembrance of the things which they had endured
and seen in their journey beneath the earth (now the journey lasted a
thousand years), while those from above were describing heavenly delights
and visions of inconceivable beauty. The story, Glaucon, would take too
long to tell; but the sum was this:— The punishment tenfold the sin. He said that for
every wrong which they had done to any one they suffered tenfold; or once
in a hundred years—such being reckoned to be the length B of man’s life,
and the penalty being thus paid ten times in a thousand years. If, for
example, there were any who had been 332 the cause of many deaths, or had
betrayed or enslaved cities or armies, or been guilty of any other evil
behaviour, for each and all of their offences they received punishment ten
times over, and the rewards of beneficence and justice and C holiness were
in the same proportion. ‘Unbaptized infants.’ /I need hardly repeat what he said
concerning young children dying almost as soon as they were born. Of piety
and impiety to gods and parents, and of murderers7, there were retributions
other and greater far which he described. He mentioned that he was present
when one of the spirits asked another, ‘Where is Ardiaeus the Great?’
Ardiaeus the tyrant. (Now this Ardiaeus lived a thousand years before the time
of Er: he had been the tyrant of some city of Pamphylia, and had murdered
his aged father and his elder brother, D and was said to have committed
many other abominable crimes.) The answer of the other spirit was: ‘He
comes not hither and will never come. And this,’ said he, ‘was one of the
dreadful sights which we ourselves witnessed. We were at the mouth of the
cavern, and, having completed all our experiences, were about to reascend,
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were tyrants; and there were also besides the tyrants private individuals
E who had been great criminals: they were just, as they fancied, about to
return into the upper world, but the mouth, instead of admitting them, gave
a roar, whenever any of these Incurable sinners. incurable sinners or some one
who had not been sufficiently punished tried to ascend; and then wild men
of fiery aspect, who were standing by and heard the sound, 616 seized and
carried them off; and Ardiaeus and others they bound head and foot and
hand, and threw them down and flayed them with scourges, and dragged
them along the road at the side, carding them on thorns like wool, and
declaring to the passers-by what were their crimes, and that8 they were
being taken away to be cast into hell.’ And of all the many terrors which
they had endured, he said that there was none like the terror which each of
them felt at that moment, lest they should hear the voice; and when there
was silence, one by one they ascended with exceeding joy. These, said Er,
were the penalties and retributions, and there were blessings as great. 333
7 Reading αὐτόχειρας.

8 Reading καὶ ὅτι.

B Now when the spirits which were in the meadow had tarried seven
days, on the eighth they were obliged to proceed on their journey, and, on
the fourth day after, he said that they came to a place where they could see
from above a line of light, straight as a column, extending right through the
whole heaven and through the earth, in colour resembling the rainbow, only
brighter and purer; another day’s journey brought them to the place, and
there, in the C midst of the light, they saw the ends of the chains of heaven
let down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and holds together
the circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a trireme. From these
ends is extended the spindle of Necessity, on which all the revolutions turn.
The shaft and hook of this spindle are made of steel, and the whorl is made
partly of steel and also partly of other materials. D The whorls representing the
spheres of the heavenly bodies. Now the whorl is in form like the whorl used on
earth; and the description of it implied that there is one large hollow whorl
which is quite scooped out, and into this is fitted another lesser one, and
another, and another, and four others, making eight in all, like vessels which
fit into one another; the whorls show their edges on the upper side, and on
their E lower side all together form one continuous whorl. This is pierced
by the spindle, which is driven home through the centre of the eighth. The
first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and the seven inner whorls
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size, the fourth next to the sixth; then comes the eighth; the seventh is fifth,
the fifth is sixth, the third is seventh, last and eighth comes the second. The
largest [or fixed stars] is spangled, and the seventh [or sun] is brightest; the
eighth [or moon] 617 coloured by the reflected light of the seventh; the
second and fifth [Saturn and Mercury] are in colour like one another, and
yellower than the preceding; the third [Venus] has the whitest light; the
fourth [Mars] is reddish; the sixth [Jupiter] is in whiteness second. Now the
whole spindle has the same motion; but, as the whole revolves in one
direction, the seven inner circles move slowly in the other, and of these the
swiftest is the eighth; next in swiftness are the B seventh, sixth, and fifth,
which move together; third in swiftness appeared to move according to the
law of this 334 reversed motion the fourth; the third appeared fourth and the
second fifth. The spindle turns on the knees of Necessity; and on the upper
surface of each circle is a siren, who goes round with them, hymning a
single tone or note. The eight together form one harmony; and round about,
at equal intervals, C there is another band, three in number, each sitting
upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are
clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and
Clotho and Atropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the
sirens—Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos of the
future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her right hand the
revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, and Atropos with her
left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and Lachesis laying D hold
of either in turn, first with one hand and then with the other.
When Er and the spirits arrived, their duty was to go at once to Lachesis;
but first of all there came a prophet who arranged them in order; then he
took from the knees of Lachesis lots and samples of lives, and having
mounted a high pulpit, spoke as follows: The proclamation of the free choice. ‘Hear
the word of Lachesis, the daughter of Necessity. Mortal souls, behold a new
cycle of life and mortality. Your genius will not be allotted to you, E but
you will choose your genius; and let him who draws the first lot have the
first choice, and the life which he chooses shall be his destiny. Virtue is free,
and as a man honours or dishonours her he will have more or less of her; the
responsibility is with the chooser—God is justified.’ When the Interpreter
had thus spoken he scattered lots indifferently among them all, and each of
them took up the lot which fell near him, all but Er himself (he was not
allowed), and each as he took his lot perceived the number which he had
obtained. 618 Then the Interpreter placed on the ground before them the
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and they were of all sorts. There were lives of every animal and of man in
every condition. And there were tyrannies among them, some lasting out the
tyrant’s life, others which broke off in the middle and came to an end in
poverty and exile and beggary; and there were 335 lives of famous men,
some who were famous for their form and beauty as well as for their
strength and success in games, B or, again, for their birth and the qualities
of their ancestors; and some who were the reverse of famous for the
opposite qualities. And of women likewise; there was not, however, any
definite character in them, because the soul, when choosing a new life, must
of necessity become different. But there was every other quality, and the all
mingled with one another, and also with elements of wealth and poverty,
and disease and health; and there were mean states also. And here, my dear
Glaucon, is the supreme peril of our human state; and therefore the utmost
care should be taken. The complexity of circumstances, C Let each one of us leave
every other kind of knowledge and seek and follow one thing only, if
peradventure he may be able to learn and may find some one who will make
him able to learn and discern between good and evil, and so to choose
always and everywhere the better life as he has opportunity. He should
consider the bearing of all these things which have been mentioned
severally and collectively upon virtue; and their relation to the human soul. he
should know what the effect of beauty is when combined with poverty or
wealth in a D particular soul, and what are the good and evil consequences
of noble and humble birth, of private and public station, of strength and
weakness, of cleverness and dullness, and of all the natural and acquired
gifts of the soul, and the operation of them when conjoined; he will then
look at the nature of the soul, and from the consideration of all these
qualities he will be able to determine which is the better and which is the
worse; and so he will choose, giving the name E of evil to the life which
will make his soul more unjust, and good to the life which will make his
soul more just; all else he will disregard. For we have seen and know that
this is 619 the best choice both in life and after death. A man must take with
him into the world below an adamantine faith in truth and right, that there
too he may be undazzled by the desire of wealth or the other allurements of
evil, lest, coming upon tyrannies and similar villainies, he do irremediable
wrongs to others and suffer yet worse himself; but let him know how to
choose the mean and avoid the extremes on either side, as far as possible,
not only in this life but 336 in all B that which is to come. For this is the
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And according to the report of the messenger from the other world this
was what the prophet said at the time: ‘Even for the last comer, if he
chooses wisely and will live diligently, there is appointed a happy and not
undesirable existence. Let not him who chooses first be careless, and let not
the last despair.’ And when he had spoken, he who had the first choice came
forward and in a moment chose the greatest tyranny; his mind having been
darkened by folly and sensuality, he had not thought out the whole matter
before he chose, and did not at first sight perceive that he C was fated,
among other evils, to devour his own children. But when he had time to
reflect, and saw what was in the lot, he began to beat his breast and lament
over his choice, forgetting the proclamation of the prophet; for, instead of
throwing the blame of his misfortune on himself, he accused chance and the
gods, and everything rather than himself. Habit not enough without philosophy when
circumstances change. Now he was one of those who came from heaven, and in a
former life had dwelt in a well-ordered State, but his virtue D was a matter
of habit only, and he had no philosophy. And it was true of others who were
similarly overtaken, that the greater number of them came from heaven and
therefore they had never been schooled by trial, whereas the pilgrims who
came from earth having themselves suffered and seen others suffer, were
not in a hurry to choose. And owing to this inexperience of theirs, and also
because the lot was a chance, many of the souls exchanged a good destiny
for an evil or an evil for a good. For if a man had always on his arrival in
this world dedicated himself from the first to sound philosophy, E and had
been moderately fortunate in the number of the lot, he might, as the
messenger reported, be happy here, and also his journey to another life and
return to this, instead of being rough and underground, would be smooth
and heavenly. The spectacle of the election. Most curious, he said, was the
spectacle—sad and laughable and strange; for the choice of the souls
620 was in most cases based on their experience of a previous life. There he
saw the soul which had once been Orpheus choosing the life of a swan out
of enmity to the race of women, hating to be born of a woman because they
had 337 been his murderers; he beheld also the soul of Thamyras choosing
the life of a nightingale; birds, on the other hand, like the swan and other
musicians, wanting to be men. The B soul which obtained the twentieth9
lot chose the life of a lion, and this was the soul of Ajax the son of Telamon,
who would not be a man, remembering the injustice which was done him in
the judgment about the arms. The next was Agamemnon, who took the life
of an eagle, because, like Ajax, he hated human nature by reason of his
sufferings. About the middle came the lot of Atalanta; she, seeing the great
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C there followed the soul of Epeus the son of Panopeus passing into the
nature of a woman cunning in the arts; and far away among the last who
chose, the soul of the jester Thersites was putting on the form of a monkey.
There came also the soul of Odysseus having yet to make a choice, and his
lot happened to be the last of them all. Now the recollection of former toils
had disenchanted him of ambition, and he went about for a considerable
time in search of the life of a private man who had no cares; he had some
difficulty in finding this, which was lying about and had been neglected by
everybody else; D and when he saw it, he said that he would have done the
same had his lot been first instead of last, and that he was delighted to have
it. And not only did men pass into animals, but I must also mention that
there were animals tame and wild who changed into one another and into
corresponding human natures—the good into the gentle and the evil into the
savage, in all sorts of combinations.
9 Reading εἰκοστήν.

All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order of
their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they had
severally chosen, to be the guardian E of their lives and the fulfiller of the
choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho, and drew them within the
revolution of the spindle impelled by her hand, thus ratifying the destiny of
each; and then, when they were fastened to this, carried them to Atropos,
who spun the threads and made 621 them irreversible, whence without
turning round they passed beneath the throne of Necessity; and when they
had all passed, they marched on in a scorching heat to the plain of 338
Forgetfulness, which was a barren waste destitute of trees and verdure; and
then towards evening they encamped by the river of Unmindfulness, whose
water no vessel can hold; of this they were all obliged to drink a certain
quantity, and those who were not saved by wisdom drank more than was
necessary; and each one as he drank forgot all things. B Now after they had
gone to rest, about the middle of the night there was a thunderstorm and
earthquake, and then in an instant they were driven upwards in all manner
of ways to their birth, like stars shooting. He himself was hindered from
drinking the water. But in what manner or by what means he returned to the
body he could not say; only, in the morning, awaking suddenly, he found
himself lying on the pyre.
And thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved and has not perished, C and
will save us if we are obedient to the word spoken; and we shall pass safely
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my counsel is, that we hold fast ever to the heavenly way and follow after
justice and virtue always, considering that the soul is immortal and able to
endure every sort of good and every sort of evil. Thus shall we live dear to
one another and to the gods, both while remaining here and when, like
D conquerors in the games who go round to gather gifts, we receive our
reward. And it shall be well with us both in this life and in the pilgrimage of
a thousand years which we have been describing.

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INDEX.

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A.

ABDERA, Protagoras of, 10. 600 C.

Abortion, allowed in certain cases, 5. 461 C.
Absolute beauty, 5. 476, 479; 6. 494 A, 501 B, 507 B;
—absolute good, 6. 507 B; 7. 540 A;
—absolute justice, 5. 479; 6. 501 B; 7. 517 E;
—absolute swiftness and slowness, 7. 529 D;
—absolute temperance, 6. 501 B;
—absolute unity, 7. 524 E, 525 E;
—the absolute and the many, 6. 507.
Abstract ideas, origin of, 7. 523. Cp. Idea.
Achaeans, 3. 389 E, 390 E, 393 A, D, 394 A.
Achilles, the son of Peleus, third in descent from Zeus, 3. 391 C; his
grief, ib. 388 A; his avarice, cruelty, and insolence, ib. 390 E, 391
A, B; his master Phoenix, ib. 390 E.
Active life, age for, 7. 539, 540.
Actors, cannot perform both tragic and comic parts, 3. 395 A.
Adeimantus, son of Ariston, a person in the dialogue, 1. 327 C; his
genius, 2. 368 A; distinguished at the battle of Megara, ibid.;
takes up the discourse, ib. 362 D, 368 E, 376 D; 4. 419 A; 6. 487
A; 8. 548 E; urges Socrates to speak in detail about the
community of women and children, 5. 449.
Adrasteia, prayed to, 5. 451 A.
Adultery, 5. 461 A.
Aeschylus, quoted:—
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″ 592, 2. 361 B, E;
″ 593 ib. 362 A;
Niobe, fr. 146, 3. 391 E;
″ fr. 151, 2. 380 A;
Xanthians, fr. 159, ib. 381 D;
Fab. incert. 266, ib. 383 B;
″ ″ 326, 8. 563 C.
Aesculapius, see Asclepius.
Affinity, degrees of, 5. 461.
Agamemnon, his dream, 2. 383 A; his gifts to Achilles, 3. 390 E; his
anger against Chryses, ib. 392 E foll.; shown by Palamedes in the
play to be a ridiculous general, 7. 522 D; his soul becomes an
eagle, 10. 620 B.
Age, for active life, 7. 539, 540;
—for marriage, 5. 460;
—for philosophy, 7. 539.
Agent and patient have the same qualities, 4. 437.
Aglaion, father of Leontius, 4. 439 E.
Agriculture, tools required for, 2. 370 C.
Ajax, the son of Telamon, 10. 620 B; the reward of his bravery, 5. 468 D;
his soul turns into a lion, 10. 620 B.
Alcinous, ‘tales of,’ 10. 614 B.
Allegory, cannot be understood by the young, 2. 378 E.
Ambition, disgraceful, 1. 347 B (cp. 7. 520 D); characteristic of the
timocratic state and man, 8. 545, 548, 550 B, 553 E; easily passes
into avarice, ib. 553 E; assigned 340 to the passionate element of
the soul, 9. 581 A;
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Ameles, the river ( = Lethe), 10. 621 A, C.
Amusement, a means of education, 4. 425 A; 7. 537 A.
Anacharsis, the Scythian, his inventions, 10. 600 A.
Analogy of the arts applied to rulers, 1. 341; of the arts and justice, ib.
349; of men and animals, 2. 375; 5. 459.
Anapaestic rhythms, 3. 400 B.
Anarchy, begins in music, 4. 424 E [cp. Laws 3. 701 B]; in democracies,
8. 562 D.
Anger, stirred by injustice, 4. 440.
Animals, liberty enjoyed by, in a democracy, 8. 562 E, 563 C; choose
their destiny in the next world, 10. 620 D [cp. Phaedr. 249 B].
Anticipations of pleasure and pain, 9. 584 D.
Aphroditè, bound by Hephaestus, 3. 390 C.
Apollo, song of, at the nuptials of Thetis, 2. 383 A; Apollo and Achilles,
3. 391 A; Chryses’ prayer to, ib. 394 A; lord of the lyre, ib. 399 E;
father of Asclepius, ib. 408 C; the God of Delphi, 4. 427 A.
Appearance, power of, 2. 365 B, 366 C.
Appetite, good and bad, 5. 475 C.
Appetites, the, 8. 559; 9. 571 (cp. 4. 439).
Appetitive element of the soul, 4. 439 [cp. Tim. 70 E]; must be
subordinate to reason and passion, 4. 442 A; 9. 571 D; may be
described as the love of gain, 9. 581 A.
Arcadia, temple of Lycaean Zeus in, 8. 565 D.
Archilochus, quoted, 2. 365 C.
Architecture, 4. 438 C; necessity of pure taste in, 3. 401.

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Ardiaeus, tyrant of Pamphylia, his eternal punishment, 10. 615 C, E.
Ares and Aphroditè, 3. 390 C.
Argos, Agamemnon, king of, 3. 393 E.
Argument, the longer and the shorter method of, 4. 435; 6. 504;
misleading nature of (Adeimantus), 6. 487; youthful love of, 7.
539 [cp. Phil. 15 E]. For the personification of the argument, see
Personification.
Arion, 5. 453 E.
Aristocracy (i.e. the ideal state or government of the best), 4. 445 C (cp.
8. 544 E, 545 D, and see State); mode of its decline, 8. 546;
—the aristocratical man, 7. 541 B; 8. 544 E (see Guardians,
Philosopher, Ruler):
—(in the ordinary sense of the word), 1. 338 D. Cp. Constitution.
Ariston, father of Glaucon, 1. 327 A (cp. 2. 368 A).
Aristonymus, father of Cleitophon, 1. 328 B.
Arithmetic, must be learnt by the rulers, 7. 522–526; use of, in forming
ideas, ib. 524 foll. (cp. 10. 602); spirit in which it should be
pursued, 7. 525 D; common notions about, mistaken, ib. E; an
excellent instrument of education, ib. 526 [cp. Laws 5. 747];
employed in order to express the interval between the king and
the tyrant, 9. 587. Cp. Mathematics.
Armenius, father of Er, the Pamphylian, 10. 614 B.
Arms, throwing away of, disgraceful, 5. 468 A; arms of Hellenes not to
be offered as trophies in the temples, ib. 470 A.
Army needed in a state, 2. 374.
Art, influence of, on character, 3. 400 foll.;
—art of building, ib. 401 A; 4. 438 C; carpentry, 4. 428 C;
calculation, 7. 524, 526 B; 10. 341 602; cookery, 1. 332 C; dyeing,

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4. 429 D; embroidery, 3. 401 A; exchange, 2. 369 C;
measurement, 10. 602; money-making, 1. 330; 8. 556; payment,
1. 346; tactics, 7. 522 E, 525 B; weaving, 3. 401 A; 5. 455 D;
weighing, 10. 602 D;
—the arts exercised for the good of their subject, 1. 342, 345–347
[cp. Euthyph. 13]; interested in their own perfection, 1. 342; differ
according to their functions, ib. 346; full of grace, 3. 401 A; must
be subject to a censorship, ib. B; causes of the deterioration of, 4.
421; employment of children in, 5. 467 A; ideals in, ib. 472 D;
chiefly useful for practical purposes, 7. 533 A;
—the arts and philosophy, 6. 495 E, 496 C (cp. supra 5. 475 D,
476 A);
—the handicraft arts a reproach, 9. 590 C;
—the lesser arts (τεχνύδρια), 5. 475 D; (τέχνια), 6. 495 D;
—three arts concerned with all things, 10. 601.
Art. [Art, according to the conception of Plato, is not a collection of
canons of criticism, but a subtle influence which pervades all
things animate as well as inanimate (3. 400, 401). He knows
nothing of ‘schools’ or of the history of art, nor does he select any
building or statue for condemnation or admiration. [Cp. Protag.
311 C, where Pheidias is casually mentioned as the typical
sculptor, and Meno 91 D, where Socrates says that Pheidias,
‘although he wrought such exceedingly noble works,’ did not
make nearly so much money by them as Protagoras did by his
wisdom.] Plato judges art by one test, ‘simplicity,’ but under this
he includes moderation, purity, and harmony of proportion; and
he would extend to sculpture and architecture the same rigid
censorship which he has already applied to poetry and music (3.
401 A). He dislikes the ‘illusions’ of painting (10. 602) and the
‘false proportions’ given by sculptors to their subjects (Soph. 234
E), both of which he classes as a species of magic. With more
justice he points out the danger of an excessive devotion to art;
(cp. the ludicrous pictures of the unmanly musician (3. 411), and
of the dilettanti who run about to every chorus (5. 475)). But he
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discipline and training of their early years. Sparta and Athens are
to be combined [cp. Introduction, p. clxx]: the citizens will live, as
Adeimantus complains, ‘like a garrison of mercenaries’ (4. 419);
but they will be surrounded by an atmosphere of grace and
beauty, which will insensibly instil noble and true ideas into their
minds.]
Artisans, necessary in the state, 2. 370; have no time to be ill, 3. 406 D.
Artist, the Great, 10. 596 [cp. Laws 10. 902 E];
—the true artist does not work for his own benefit, 1. 346, 347;
—artists must imitate the good only, 3. 401 C.
Asclepiadae, 3. 405 D, 408 B; 10. 599 C.
Asclepius, son of Apollo, 3. 408 C; not ignorant of the lingering
treatment, ib. 406 D; a statesman, ib. 407 E; said by the poets to
have been bribed to restore a rich man to life, ib. 408 B; left
disciples, 10. 599 C;
—descendants of, 3. 406 A;
—his sons at Troy, ibid.
Assaults, trials for, will be unknown in the best state, 5. 464 E.
Astronomy, must be studied by the rulers, 7. 527–530; spirit in which it
should be pursued, ib. 529, 530. 342

Atalanta, chose the life of an athlete, 10. 620 B.
Athené, not to be considered author of the strife between Trojans and
Achaeans, 2. 379 E.
Athenian confectionery, 3. 404 E.
Athens, corpses exposed outside the northern wall of, 4. 439 E.
Athlete, Atalanta chooses the soul of an, 10. 620 B; athletes, obliged to
pay excessive attention to diet, 3. 404 A; sleep away their lives,
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—the guardians athletes of war, 3. 403 E, 404 B; 4. 422; 7. 521 E;
8. 543 [cp. Laws 8. 830].
Atridae, 3. 393 A.
Atropos (one of the Fates), her song, 10. 617 C; spins the threads of
destiny, and makes them irreversible, ib. 620 E.
Attic confections, 3. 404 E.
Audience, see Spectator.
Autolycus, praised by Homer, 1. 334 A.
Auxiliaries, the young warriors of the state, 3. 414; compared to dogs, 2.
376; 4. 440 D; 5. 451 D; have silver mingled in their veins, 3. 415
A. Cp. Guardians.
Avarice, disgraceful, 1. 347 B; forbidden in the guardians, 3. 390 E;
falsely imputed to Achilles and Asclepius by the poets, ib. 391 B,
408 C; characteristic of timocracy and oligarchy, 8. 548 A, 553.

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B.

Barbarians, regard nakedness as improper, 5. 452; the natural enemies of
the Hellenes, ib. 469 D, 470 C [cp. Pol. 262 D]; peculiar forms of
government among, 8. 544 D.
Beast, the great, 6. 493; the many-headed, 9. 588, 589; ‘the wild beast
within us,’ ib. 571, 572.
Beautiful, the, and the good are one, 5. 452;
—the many beautiful contrasted with absolute beauty, 6. 507 B.
Beauty as a means of education, 3. 401 foll.; absolute beauty, 5. 476, 479;
6. 494 A, 501 B, 507 B [cp. Laws 2. 655 C].
Becoming, the passage from, to being, 7. 518 D, 521 D, 525 D.
Beds, the figure of the three, 10. 596.
Bee-masters, 8. 564 C.
Being and not being, 5. 477; true being the object of the philosopher’s
desire, 6. 484, 485, 486 E, 490, 500 C; 7. 521, 537 D; 9. 581, 582
C (cp. 5. 475 E; 7. 520 B, 525; and Phaedo 82; Phaedr. 249;
Theaet. 173 E; Soph. 249 D, 254); concerned with the invariable,
9. 585 C.
Belief, see Faith.
Bendidea, a feast of Artemis, 1. 354 A (cp. 327 A, B).
Bendis, a title of Artemis, 1. 327 A.
Bias of Priene, 1. 335 E.
Birds, breeding of, at Athens, 5. 459.
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Body, the, not self-sufficing, 1. 341 E; excessive care of, inimical to
virtue, 3. 407 (cp. 9. 591 D); has less truth and essence than the
soul, 9. 585 D;
—harmony of body and soul, 3. 402 D.
Body, the, and the members, comparison of the state to, 5. 462 D, 464 B.
Boxing, 4. 422.
Brass (and iron) mingled by the God in the husbandmen and craftsmen,
3. 415 A (cp. 8. 547 A).
Breeding of animals, 5. 459.
Building, art of, 3. 401 A; 4. 438 C.
Burial of the guardians, 3. 414 A; 5. 465 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B [cp. Laws 12.
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C.

Calculation, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 (cp. 7. 524); the
talent for, accompanied by general quickness, 7. 526 B. Cp.
Arithmetic.
Captain, parable of the deaf, 6. 488.
Carpentry, 4. 428 C.
Causes, final, argument from, applied to justice, 1. 352: 6. 491 E, 495 B;
—of crimes, 8. 552 D; 9. 575 A.
Cave, the image of the, 7. 514 foll., 532 (cp. 539 E).
Censorship of fiction, 2. 377; 3. 386–391, 401 A, 408 C; 10. 595 foll. [cp.
Laws 7. 801, 811]; of the arts, 3. 401.
Ceos, Prodicus of, 10. 600 C.
Cephalus, father of Polemarchus, 1. 327 B; offers sacrifice, ib. 328 B,
331 D; his views on old age, ib. 328 E; his views on wealth, ib.
330 A foll.
Cephalus [of Clazomenae], 1. 330 B.
Cerberus, two natures in one, 9. 588 C.
Chance in war, 5. 467 E; blamed by men for their misfortunes, 10. 619 C.
Change in music, not to be allowed, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 7. 799].
Character, differences of, in men, 1. 329 D [cp. Pol. 307]; in women, 5.
456;
—affected by the imitation of unworthy objects, 3. 395;
—national character, 4. 435 [cp. Laws 5. 747]:
—great characters may be ruined by bad education, 6. 491 E, 495
B; 7. 519:
—faults of character, 6. 503 [cp. Theaet. 144 B].

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Charmantides, the Paeanian, present at the dialogue, 1. 328 B.
Charondas, lawgiver of Italy and Sicily, 10. 599 E.
Cheese, 2. 372 C; 3. 405 E.
Cheiron, teacher of Achilles, 3. 391 C.
Children have spirit, but not reason, 4. 441 A; why under authority, 9.
590 E;
—in the state, 3. 415; 5. 450 E, 457 foll.; 8. 543; must not hear
improper stories, 2. 377; 3. 391 C; must be reared amid fair sights
and sounds, 3. 401; must receive education even in their plays, 4.
425 A; 7. 537 A [cp. Laws 1. 643 B]; must learn to ride, 5. 467
[cp. Laws 7. 804 C]; must go with their fathers and mothers into
war, 5. 467; 7. 537 A:
—transfer of children from one class to another, 3. 415; 4. 423 D:
—exposure of children allowed, 5. 460 C, 461 C:
—illegitimate children, ib. 461 A.
Chimaera, two natures in one, 9. 588 C.
Chines, presented to the brave warrior, 5. 468 D.
Chryses, the priest of Apollo (Iliad i. 11 foll.), 3. 392 E foll.
Cithara, see Harp.
Citizens, the, of the best state, compared to a garrison of mercenaries
(Adeimantus), 4. 419 (cp. 8. 543); will form one family, 5. 462
foll. See Guardians.
City, situation of the, 3. 415:
—the ‘city of pigs,’ 2. 372:
—the heavenly city, 9. 592:
—Cities, most, divided between rich and poor, 4. 422 E; 8. 551 E
[cp. Laws 12. 945 E]:
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Classes, in the state, should be kept distinct, 2. 374; 3. 397 E, 415 A; 4.
421, 433 A, 434, 441 E, 443; 5. 453 (cp. 8. 552 A, and Laws 8.
846 E).
Cleitophon, the son of Aristonymus, present at the dialogue, 1. 328 B;
interposes on behalf of Thrasymachus, ib. 340 A.
Cleverness, no match for honesty, 3. 409 C (cp. 10. 613 C); not often
united with a steady character, 6. 344 503 [cp. Theaet. 144 B];
needs an ideal direction, 7. 519 [cp. Laws 7. 819 A].
Clotho, second of the fates, 10. 617 C, 620 E; sings of the present, ib. 617
C; the souls brought to her, ib. 620 E.
Colours, comparison of, 9. 585 A; contrast of, ib. 586 C;
—indelible colours, 4. 429:
—‘colours’ of poetry, 10. 601 A.
Comedy, cannot be allowed in the state, 3. 394 [cp. Laws 7. 816 D];
accustoms the mind to vulgarity, 10. 606;
—same actors cannot act both tragedy and comedy, 3. 395.
Common life in the state, 5. 458, 464 foll.;
—common meals of the guardians, 3. 416; common meals for
women, 5. 458 D [cp. Laws 6. 781; 7. 806 E; 8. 839 D];
—common property among the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A, 422
D; 5. 464; 8. 543.
Community of women and children, 3. 416; 5. 450 E, 457 foll., 462, 464;
8. 543 A [cp. Laws 5. 739 C];
—of property, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A, 422 D; 5. 464; 8. 543;
—of feeling, 5. 464.
Community. [The communism of the Republic seems to have been
suggested by Plato’s desire for the unity of the state (cp. 5. 462
foll.). If those ‘two small pestilent words, “meum” and “tuum,”
which have engendered so much strife among men and created so
much mischief in the world,’ could be banished from the lips and
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citizens would have parents, wives, children, and property in
common; they would rejoice in each other’s prosperity, and
sorrow at each other’s misfortune; they would call their rulers not
‘lords’ and ‘masters,’ but ‘friends’ and ‘saviours.’ Plato is aware
that such a conception could hardly be carried out in this world;
and he evades or adjourns, rather than solves, the difficulty by the
famous assertion that only when the philosopher rules in the city
will the ills of human life find an end [cp. Introduction, p. clxxiii].
In the Critias, where the ideal state, as Plato himself hints to us
(110 D), is to some extent reproduced in an imaginary description
of ancient Attica, property is common, but there is no mention of a
community of wives and children. Finally in the Laws (5. 739),
Plato while still maintaining the blessings of communism,
recognizes the impossibility of its realization, and sets about the
construction of a ‘second-best state’ in which the rights of
property are conceded; although, according to Aristotle (Pol. ii.
6, § 4), he gradually reverts to the ideal polity in all except a few
unimportant particulars.]
Conception, the, of truth by the philosopher, 6. 490 A.
Confidence and courage, 4. 430 B.
Confiscation of the property of the rich in democracies, 8. 565.
Constitution, the aristocratic, is the ideal state sketched in bk. iv (cp. 8.
544 E, 545 D);
—defective forms of constitution, 4. 445 B; 8. 544 [cp. Pol. 291 E
foll.]; aristocracy (in the ordinary sense), 1. 338 D; timocracy or
‘Spartan polity,’ 8. 545 foll.; oligarchy, ib. 550 foll., 554 E;
democracy, ib. 555 foll., 557 D; tyranny, ib. 544 C, 562. Cp.
Government, State.
Contentiousness, a characteristic of timocracy, 8. 548.
Contracts, in some states not protected by law, 8. 556 A.
Contradiction, nature of, 4. 436; 10. 602 E; power of, 5. 454 A. 345

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Convention, justice a matter of, 2. 359 A.
Conversation, should not be personal, 6. 500 B.
Conversion of the soul, 7. 518, 521, 525 [cp. Laws 12. 957 E].
Cookery, art of, employed in the definition of justice, 1. 332 C.
Corinthian courtesans, 3. 404 D.
Corpses, not to be spoiled, 5. 469.
Correlative and relative, qualifications of, 4. 437 foll. [cp. Gorg. 476];
how corrected, 7. 524.
Corruptio optimi pessima, 6. 491.
Corruption, the, of youth, not to be attributed to the Sophists, but to
public opinion, 6. 492 A.
Courage, required in the guardians, 2. 375; 3. 386, 413 E, 416 E; 4. 429;
6. 503 E; inconsistent with the fear of death, 3. 386; 6. 486 A; =
the preservation of a right opinion about objects of fear, 4. 429,
442 B (cp. 2. 376, and Laches 193, 195); distinguished from
fearlessness, 4. 430 B; one of the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 486 A,
490 E, 494 A:
—the courageous temper averse to intellectual toil, ib. 503 D [cp.
Pol. 306, 307].
Courtesans, 3. 404 D.
Covetousness, not found in the philosopher, 6. 485 E; characteristic of
timocracy and oligarchy, 8. 548, 553; = the appetitive element of
the soul, 9. 581 A.
Cowardice in war, to be punished, 5. 468 A; not found in the philosopher,
6. 486 B.
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Crete, government of, generally applauded, 8. 544 C; a timocracy, ib. 545
B;
—Cretans, naked exercises among, 5. 452 C; call their country
‘mother-land,’ 9. 575 E;
—Cretic rhythm, 3. 400 B.
Crimes, great and small, differently estimated by mankind, 1. 344 (cp.
348 D); causes of, 6. 491 E, 495 B; 8. 552 D; 9. 575 A.
Criminals, are usually men of great character spoiled by bad education, 6.
491 E, 495 B; numerous in oligarchies, 8. 552 D.
Croesus, 2. 359 C; ‘as the oracle said to Croesus,’ 8. 566 C.
Cronos, ill treated by Zeus, 2. 377 E; his behaviour to Uranus, ibid.
Cunning man, the, no match for the virtuous, 3. 409 D.
Cycles, recurrence of, in nature, 8. 546 A [cp. Tim. 22 C; Crit. 109 D;
Pol. 269 foll.; Laws 3. 677].

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D.

Dactylic metre, 3. 400 C.
Daedalus, beauty of his works, 7. 529 E.
Damon, an authority on rhythm, 3. 400 B (cp. 4. 424 C).
Dancing (in education), 3. 412 B.
Day-dreams, 5. 458 A, 476 C.
Dead (in battle) not to be stripped, 5. 469; judgment of the dead, 10. 615.
Death, the approach of, brings no terror to the aged, 1. 330 E; the
guardians must have no fear of, 3. 386, 387 (cp. 6. 486 C);
preferable to slavery, 3. 387 A.
Debts, abolition of, proclaimed by demagogues, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Delphi, religion left to the god at, 4. 427 A (cp. 5. 461 E, 469 A; 7. 540
B).
Demagogues, 8. 564, 565.
Democracy, 1. 338 D; spoken of under the parable of the captain and the
mutinous crew, 6. 488; democracy and philosophy, ib. 494, 500;
the third form of imperfect state, 8. 544 [cp. Pol. 291, 292];
detailed account of, ib. 555 foll.; characterised by freedom, ib.
557 B, 561–563; a ‘bazaar of constitutions,’ ib. 557 D; the 346
humours of democracy, ib. E, 561; elements contained in, ib. 564.
—democracy in animals, ib. 563:
—the democratical man, ib. 558, 559 foll., 561, 562; 9. 572; his
place in regard to pleasure, 9. 587.
Desire, has a relaxing effect on the soul, 4. 430 A; the conflict of desire
and reason, 4. 440 [cp. Phaedr. 253 foll.; Tim. 70 A];

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—the desires divided into simple and qualified, 4. 437 foll.; into
necessary and unnecessary, 8. 559.
Despots (masters), 5. 463 A. See Tyrant.
Destiny, the, of man in his own power, 10. 617 E.
Dialectic, the most difficult branch of philosophy, 6. 498; objects of, ib.
511; 7. 537 D; proceeds by a double method, 6. 511; compared to
sight, 7. 532 A; capable of attaining to the idea of good, ibid.;
gives firmness to hypotheses, ib. 533; the coping stone of the
sciences, ib. 534 [cp. Phil. 57]; must be studied by the rulers, ib.
537; dangers of the study, ibid.; years to be spent in, ib. 539;
distinguished from eristic, ib. D (cp. 5. 454 A; 6. 499 A):
—the dialectician has a conception of essence, 7. 534 [cp. Phaedo
75 D].
Dialectic. [Dialectic, the ‘coping stone of knowledge,’ is everywhere
distinguished by Plato from eristic, i.e., argument for argument’s
sake [cp. Euthyd. 275 foll., 293; Meno 75 D; Phaedo 101; Phil.
17; Theaet. 167 E]. It is that ‘gift of heaven’ (Phil. 16) which
teaches men to employ the hypotheses of science, not as final
results, but as points from which the mind may rise into the higher
heaven of ideas and behold truth and being. This vague and
magnificent conception was probably hardly clearer to Plato
himself when he wrote the Republic than it is to us [cp.
Introduction, p. xcii.]; but in the Sophist and Statesman it appears
in a more definite form as a combination of analysis and synthesis
by which we arrive at a true notion of things. [Cp. the ὑφηγημένη
μεθόδος of Aristotle (Pol. i. 1, § 3; 8, § 1), which is an analogous
mode of proceeding from the parts to the whole.] In the Laws
dialectic no longer occupies a prominent place; it is the ‘old
man’s harmless amusement’ (7. 820 C), or, regarded more
seriously, the method of discussion by question and answer, which
is abused by the natural philosophers to disprove the existence of
the Gods (10. 891).]
Dice (κύβοι), 10. 604 C; skill required in dice-playing, 2. 374 C.

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Diet, 3. 404; 8. 559 C [cp. Tim. 89].
Differences, accidental and essential, 5. 454.
Diomede, his command to the Greeks (Iliad iv. 412), 3. 389 E; ‘necessity
of,’ (proverb), 6. 493 D.
Dionysiac festival (at Athens), 5. 475 D.
Discord, causes of, 5. 462; 8. 547 A, 556 E; the ruin of states, 5. 462;
distinguished from war, ib. 470 [cp. Laws 1. 628, 629].
Discourse, love of, 1. 328 A; 5. 450 B; increases in old age, 1. 328 D;
pleasure of, in the other world, 6. 498 D [cp. Apol. 41].
Disease, origin of, 3. 404; the right treatment of, ib. 405 foll.; the
physician must have experience of, in his own person, ib. 408;
disease and vice compared, 4. 444; 10. 609 foll. [cp. Soph. 228;
Pol. 296; Laws 10. 347 906]; inherent in everything, 10. 609.

Dishonesty, thought by men to be more profitable than honesty, 2. 364 A.
Dithyrambic poetry, nature of, 3. 394 B.
Diversities of natural gifts, 2. 370; 5. 455; 7. 535 A.
Division of labour, 2. 370, 374 A; 3. 394 E, 395 B, 397 E; 4. 423 E, 433
A, 435 A, 441 E, 443, 453 B; a part of justice, 4. 433, 435 A, 441
E (cp. supra 1. 332, 349, 350, and Laws 8. 846 C);
—of lands, proclaimed by the would-be tyrant, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Doctors, flourish when luxury increases in the state, 2. 373 C; 3. 405 A;
two kinds of, 5. 459 C [cp. Laws 4. 720; 9. 857 D]. Cp. Physician.
Dog, Socrates’ oath by the, 3. 399 E; 8. 567 E; 9. 592;
—dogs are philosophers, 2. 376; the guardians the watch-dogs of
the state, ibid.; 4. 440 D; 5. 451 D; breeding of dogs, 5. 459.
Dolphin, Arion’s, 5. 453 E.
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Draughts, 1. 333 A; skill required in, 2. 374 C;
—comparison of an argument to a game of draughts, 6. 487 C.
Dreams, an indication of the bestial element in human nature, 9. 571,
572, 574 E.
Drones, the, 8. 552, 554 C, 555 E, 559 C, 564 B, 567 E; 9. 573 A [cp.
Laws 10. 901 A].
Drunkenness, in heaven, 2. 363 D; forbidden in the guardians, 3. 398 E,
403 E;
—the drunken man apt to be tyrannical, 8. 573 C. Cp.
Intoxication.
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E.

Early society, 2. 359.
Eating, pleasure accompanying, 8. 559.
Education, commonly divided into gymnastic for the body and music for
the soul, 2. 376 E, 403 (see Gymnastic, Music, and cp. Laws 7.
795 E); both music and gymnastic really designed for the soul, 3.
410:
—use of fiction in, 2. 377 foll.; 3. 391; the poets bad educators, 2.
377; 3. 391, 392, 408 B; 10. 600, 606 E, 607 B [cp. Laws 10. 886
C, 890 A]; must be simple, 3. 397, 404 E; melody in, ib. 398 foll.;
mimetic art in, ib. 399; importance of good surroundings, ib. 401;
influence of, on manners, 4. 424, 425; innovation in, dangerous,
ibid.; early, should be given through amusement, ib. 425 A; 7. 536
E [cp. Laws 1. 643 B]; ought to be the same for men and women,
5. 451 foll., 466; dangerous when ill-directed, 6. 491; not a
process of acquisition, but the use of powers already existing in
us, 7. 518; not to be compulsory, ib. 537 A;
—education of the guardians, 2. 376 foll.; 4. 429, 430; 7. 521 (cp.
Guardians, Ruler);
—the higher or philosophic education, 6. 498, 503 E, 504; 7. 514–
537; age at which it should commence, 6. 498; 7. 537; ‘the longer
way,’ 6. 504 (cp. 4. 435); ‘the prelude or preamble,’ 7. 532 E.
Education. [Education in the Republic is divided into two parts, (i) the
common education of the citizens; (ii) the special education of the
rulers. (i) The first, beginning with childhood in the plays of the
children [cp. Laws 1. 643 B], is the old Hellenic education, [the
καταβεβλημένα παιδεύματα of Aristotle, Pol. viii. 2, § 6], 348
—‘music for the mind and gymnastic for the body’ [cp. Laws 7.
795 E]. But Plato soon discovers that both are really intended for
the benefit of the soul [cp. Laws 5. 743 D]; and under ‘music’ he
includes literature (λόγοι), i.e. humane culture as distinguished

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from scientific knowledge. Music precedes gymnastic; both are
not to be learned together; only the simpler kinds of either are
tolerated [cp. Laws Book VII, passim]. Boys and girls share
equally in both [cp. Laws 7. 794 D]. The greatest attention must
be paid to good surroundings; nothing mean or vile must meet the
eye or strike the ear of the young scholar. The fairy tales of
childhood and the fictions of the poets are alike placed under
censorship [cp. Laws Book X, and see s. v. Poetry]. Gentleness is
to be united with manliness; beauty of form and activity of mind
are to mingle in perfect and harmonious accord.
—(ii) The special education commences at twenty by the selection
of the most promising students. These spend ten years in the
acquisition of the higher branches of arithmetic, geometry,
astronomy, harmony [cp. Laws 7. 817 E], which are not to be
pursued in a scientific spirit or for utility only, but rather with a
view to their combination by means of dialectic into an ideal of
all knowledge (see s. v. Dialectic). At thirty a further selection is
made: those selected spend five years in the study of philosophy,
are then sent into active life for fifteen years, and finally after fifty
return to philosophy, which for the remainder of their days is to
form their chief occupation (see s. v. Rulers).]
Egyptians, characterised by love of money, 4. 435 E.
Elder, the, to bear rule in the state, 3. 412 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714
E]; to be over the younger, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9. 879 C;
11. 917 A].
Embroidery, art of, 3. 401 A.
Enchantments, used by mendicant prophets, 2. 364 B;
—enchantments, i.e. tests to which the guardians are to be
subjected, 3. 413 (cp. 6. 503 A; 7. 539 E).
End, the, and use of the soul, 1. 353:
—ends and excellencies (ἀρεταὶ) of things, ibid.; things
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Endurance, must be inculcated on the young, 3. 390 C (cp. 10. 605 E).
Enemies, treatment of, 5. 469.
Enquiry, roused by some objects of sense, 7. 523.
Epeus, soul of, turns into a woman, 10. 620 C.
Epic poetry, a combination of imitation and narration, 3. 394 B, 396 E;
—epic poets, imitators in the highest degree, 10. 602 C.
Er, myth of, 10. 614 B foll.
Eriphyle, 9. 590 A.
Eristic, distinguished from dialectic, 5. 454 A; 6. 499 A; 7. 539 D.
Error, not possible in the skilled person (Thrasymachus), 1. 340 D.
Essence and the good, 6. 509; essence of the invariable, 9. 585;
—essence of things, 6. 507 B; apprehended by the dialectician, 7.
534 B.
Eternity, contrasted with human life, 10. 608 D.
Eumolpus, son of Musaeus, 2. 363 D.
Eunuch, the riddle of the, 5. 479.
Euripides, a great tragedian, 8. 568 A; his maxims about tyrants, ibid.:
—quoted, Troades, l. 1169, ibid. 349

Eurypylus, treatment of the wounded, 3. 405 E, 408 A.
Euthydemus, brother of Polemarchus, 1. 328 B.
Evil, God not the author of, 2. 364, 379, 380 A; 3. 391 E [cp. Laws 2. 672
B]; the destructive element in the soul, 10. 609 foll. (cp. 4. 444):
—justice must exist even among the evil, 1. 351 foll.; their
supposed prosperity, 2. 364 [cp. Gorg. 470 foll.; Laws 2. 66 1; 10.
899, 905]; more numerous than the good, 3. 409 D. Cp. Injustice.

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Excellence relative to use, 10. 601; excellences (ἀρεταὶ) and ends of
things, 1. 353.
Exchange, the art of, necessary in the formation of the state, 2. 369 C.
Exercises, naked, in Greece, 5. 452.
Existence, a participation in essence, 9. 585 [cp. Phaedo 101].
Experience, the criterion of true and false pleasures, 9. 582.
Expiation of guilt, 2. 364.
Eye of the soul, 7. 518 D, 527 E, 533 D, 540 A;
—the soul like the eye, 6. 508; 7. 518:
—Eyes, the, in relation to sight, 6. 507 (cp. Sight).

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F.

Fact and ideal, 5. 472, 473.
Faculties, how different, 5. 477;
—faculties of the soul, 6. 511 E; 7. 533 E.
Faith [or Persuasion], one of the faculties of the soul, 6. 511 D; 7. 533 E.
Falsehood, alien to the nature of God, 2. 382 [cp. Laws 11. 917 A]; a
medicine, only to be used by the state, ibid.; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5.
459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663]; hateful to the philosopher, 6. 486, 490.
Family life in the state, 5. 449;
—families in the state, ib. 461;
—family and state, ib. 463;
—cares of family life, ib. 465 C.
Fates, the, 10. 617, 620 E.
Fear, a solvent of the soul, 4. 430 A; fear and shame, 5. 465 A.
Fearlessness, distinguished from courage, 4. 430 B [cp. Laches 197 B;
Protag. 349 C, 359 foll.].
Feeling, community of, in the state, 5. 464.
Festival of the Bendidea (at the Piraeus), 1. 327 A, 354 A; of Dionysus
(at Athens), 5. 475 D.
Fiction in education, 2. 377 foll.; 3. 391; censorship of, necessary, 2. 377
foll.; 3. 386–391, 401 A, 408 C; 10. 595 foll.; not to represent
sorrow, 3. 387 foll. (cp. 10. 604); representing intemperance to be
discarded, 3. 390;
—stories about the gods, not to be received, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388
foll., 408 C [cp. Euthyph. 6, 8; Crit. 109 B; Laws 2. 672 B; 10.
886 C; 12. 941];

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—stories of the world below, objectionable, 3. 386 foll. (cp.
Hades, World below).
Final causes, argument from, applied to justice, 1. 352.
Fire, obtained by friction, 4. 434 E.
Flattery, of the multitude by their leaders, in ill-ordered states, 4. 426 (cp.
9. 590 B).
Flute, the, to be rejected, 3. 399;
—flute players and flute makers, ib. D; 10. 601.
Folly, an inanition (κένωσις) of the soul, 9. 585 A.
Food, the condition of life and existence, 2. 369 C.
Forgetfulness, a mark of an unphilosophical nature, 6. 486 D, 490 E:
—the plain of Forgetfulness (Lethe), 10. 621 A.
Fox, the emblem of subtlety, 2. 365 C.
Fractions, 7. 525 E.
Freedom, the characteristic of democracy, 8. 557 B, 561–563.
Friend, the, must be as well as seem 350 good, 1. 334, 335;
—the friends of the tyrant, 8. 567 E; 9. 576.
Friendship, implies justice, 1. 351 foll.; in the state, 5. 462, 463.
Funeral of the guardians, 5. 465 E, 468 E; 7. 540 B;
—corpses placed on the pyre on the twelfth day, 10. 614.
Future life, 3. 387; 10. 614 foll.; punishment of the wicked in, 2. 363; 10.
615 [cp. Phaedo 108; Gorg. 523 E, 525; Laws 9. 870 E, 881 B;
10. 904 C]. See Hades, World below.

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G.

Games, as a means of education, 4. 425 A (cp. 7. 537 A);
—dice (κύβοι), 10. 604 C;
—draughts (πεττεία), 1. 333 A; 2. 374 C; 6. 487 C;
—city (πόλις), 4. 422 E:
—[the Olympic, &c.] glory gained by success in, 5. 465 D, 466
A; 10. 618 A (cp. 620 B).
General, the, ought to know arithmetic and geometry, 7. 522 D, 525 B,
526 D, 527 C.
Gentleness, characteristic of the philosopher, 2. 375, 376; 3. 410; 6. 486
C; usually inconsistent with spirit, 2. 375.
Geometry, must be learnt by the rulers, 7. 526 foll.; erroneously thought
to serve for practical purposes only, ib. 527;
—geometry of solids, ib. 528;
—geometrical necessity, 5. 458 D;
—geometrical notions apprehended by a faculty of the soul, 6.
511 C.
Giants, battles of the, 2. 378 B.
Gifts, given to victors, 3. 414; 5. 460, 468;
—gifts of nature, 2. 370 A; 5. 455; 7. 535 A; may be perverted, 6.
491 E, 495 A; 7. 519 [cp. Laws 7. 819 A; 10. 908 C].
Glaucon, son of Ariston, 1. 327 A; 2. 368 A; takes up the discourse, 1.
347 A; 2. 372 C; 3. 398 B; 4. 427 D; 5. 450 A; 6. 506 D; 9. 576 B;
anxious to contribute money for Socrates, 1. 337 E; the boldest of
men, 2. 357 A; his genius, ib. 368 A; distinguished at the battle of
Megara, ibid.; a musician, 3. 398 D; 7. 531 A; desirous that
Socrates should discuss the subject of women and children, 5. 450
A; breeds dogs and birds, ib. 459 A; a lover, ib. 474 D (cp. 3. 402
E; 5. 458 E); not a dialectician, 7. 533; his contentiousness, 8. 548

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E; not acquainted with the doctrine of the immortality of the soul,
10. 608.
Glaucus, the sea-god, 10. 611 C.
Gluttony, 9. 586 A.
God, not the author of evil, 2. 364, 379, 380 A; 3. 391 E [cp. Laws 2. 672
B]; never changes, 2. 380; will not lie, ib. 382; the maker of all
things, 10. 598:
—Gods, the, thought to favour the unjust, 2. 362 B, 364;
supposed to accept the gifts of the wicked, ib. 365 [cp. Laws 4.
716 E; 10. 905 foll.; 12. 948]; believed to take no heed of human
affairs, 2. 365 [cp. Laws 10. 889 foll.; 12. 948]; human ignorance
of, 2. 365 [cp. Crat 400 E; Crit. 107; Parm. 134 E]; disbelief in, 2.
365 [cp. Laws 10. 885 foll., 909; 12. 948]; stories of, not to be
repeated, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388 foll., 408 C [cp. Euthyph. 6, 8; Crit.
109 B; Laws 2. 672 B; 10. 886 C; 12. 941]; not to be represented
grieving or laughing, 3. 388;
—‘gods who wander about at night in the disguise of strangers,’
2. 381 D;
—the war of the gods and the giants, ib. 378 B.
God. [The theology of Plato is summed up by himself in the second book
of the Republic under two heads, ‘God is perfect and
unchangeable,’ and ‘God is true and 351 the author of truth.’
These canons are also the test by which he tries poetry and the
poets (see s. v. Poetry):—Homer and the tragedians represent the
Gods as changing their forms or as deceiving men by lying
dreams, and therefore they must be expelled from the state. But
Plato has not yet acquired the austere temper of his later years.
He does not threaten the impenitent unbeliever with bonds and
death (Laws 10. 908, 910), but is content to show by argument the
superiority of justice over injustice. In other respects the theology
of the Republic is repeated and amplified in the Laws; the theses
that God is not the author of evil and will not accept the gifts of
the wicked or favour the unjust, are maintained with equal

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earnestness in both. The Republic is less pessimistic in tone than
the Laws; but the thought of the insignificance of man and the
briefness of human life is already familiar to Plato’s mind [cp. 6.
486 A; 10. 604; and see s. v. Man]. The conception of God as the
Demiurgus or Creator of the universe, which is prominent in the
Timaeus, Sophist, and Statesman, hardly appears either in the
Republic or the Laws (cp. Rep. 10. 596 foll.; Laws 10. 886 foll.).]
Gold, mingled by the God in the auxiliaries, 3. 415 A (cp. 416 E; 8. 547
A);
—[and silver] not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 419, 422
D; 5. 464 D (cp. 8. 543).
Good, the saving element, 10. 609:
—the good = the beautiful, 5. 452 [cp. Lys. 216; Symp. 201 B,
204 E foll.]; the good and pleasure, 6. 505, 509 A [cp. Gorg. 497;
Phil. 11, 60 A]; the good superior to essence, ib. 509; the brightest
and best of being, 7. 518 D;
—absolute good, 6. 507 B; 7. 540 A;
—the idea of good, 6. 505, 508; 7. 517, 534; is the highest
knowledge, 6. 505; 7. 526 E; nature of, 6. 505, 506;
—the child of the good, ib. 506 E, 508:
—good things least liable to change, 2. 381;
—goods classified, ib. 357, 367 D [cp. Protag. 334; Gorg. 451 E;
Phil. 66; Laws 1. 631; 3. 697];
—the goods of life often a temptation, 6. 491 E, 495 A.
Good man, the, will disdain to imitate ignoble actions, 3. 396:
—Good men, why they take office, 1. 347; = the wise, ib. 350
[cp. 1 Alcib. 124, 125]; unfortunate (Adeimantus), 2. 364; self-
sufficient, 3. 387 [cp. Lys. 215 A]; will not give way to sorrow,
ibid.; 10. 603 E [cp. Laws 5. 732; 7. 792 B, 800 D]; appear simple
from their inexperience of evil, 3. 409 A; hate the tyrant, 8. 568
A; the friends of God and like Him, 10. 613 [cp. Phil. 39 E; Laws
4. 716].
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Government, forms of, are they administered in the interest of the rulers?
1. 338 D, 343, 346; are all based on a principle of justice, ib. 338
E [cp. Laws 12. 945]; present forms in an evil condition, 6. 492 E,
496; none of the existing forms adapted to philosophy, ib. 497;
—the four imperfect forms, 4. 445 B; 8. 544 [cp. Pol. 291 foll.,
301 foll.]; succession of changes in states, 8. 545 foll.;
—peculiar barbarian forms, ib. 544 D. Cp. Constitution, State.
Government, forms of. [The classification of forms of government which
Plato adopts in the Republic is not exactly the same with that
given in the Statesman or the Laws. Both in the Republic 352 and
the Statesman the series commences with the perfect state, which
may be either monarchy or aristocracy, accordingly as the ‘one
best man’ bears rule or many who are all ‘perfect in virtue’ [cp.
Arist. Pol. iv. 2, § 1]. But in the Republic the further succession is
somewhat fancifully connected with the divisions of the soul. The
rule of reason [i.e. the perfect state] passes into timocracy, in
which the ‘spirited element’ is predominant (8. 548), timocracy
into three governments in turn, which represent the ‘appetitive
principle,’—first, oligarchy, in which the desire of wealth is
supreme (8. 533 D; 9. 581); secondly, democracy, characterised
by an unbounded lust for freedom (9. 561); thirdly, tyranny, in
which all evil desires grow unchecked, and the tyrant becomes
‘the waking reality of what he once was in his dreams only’ (9.
574 E). Each of these inferior forms is illustrated in the individual
who corresponds to the state and ‘is set over against it’ (8. 550
C). In the Statesman, after the government of the one or many
good has been separated, the remaining forms are classified
accordingly as the government has or has not regard to law, and
democracy is said to be (303 A) ‘the worst of lawful and the best
of lawless governments’ (an expression criticised by Aristotle,
Pol. iv. 2, § 3). In the Laws again the subject is differently treated:
monarchy and democracy are described as ‘the two mother
forms,’ which must be combined in order to produce a good state
(3. 693), and the Spartan and Cretan constitutions are therefore
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represented (4. 712). But the majority of existing states are mere
class governments and have no regard to virtue (12. 962 E).
These various ideas are nearly all reproduced or criticised in the
Politics of Aristotle, who, however, does not employ the term
‘timocracy,’ and adds one great original conception,—the μεσὴ
πολιτεία, or government of the middle class.]
Governments, sometimes bought and sold, 8. 544 D.
Grace (εὐσχημοσύνη), the effect of good rhythm accompanying good
style, 3. 400 D; all life and every art full of grace, ib. 401 A.
Greatness and smallness, 4. 438 B; 5. 479 B; 7. 523, 524; 9. 575 C; 10.
602 D, 605 C.
Grief, not to be indulged, 3. 387; 10. 603–606. Cp. Sorrow.
Guard, the tyrant’s request for a, 8. 566 B, 567 E.
Guardians of the state, must be philosophers, 2. 376; 6. 484, 498, 501,
503 B; 7. 520, 521, 525 B, 540; 8. 543; must be both spirited and
gentle, 2. 375; 3. 410; 6. 503 [cp. Laws 5. 731 B]; must be tested
by pleasures and pains, 3. 413 (cp. 6. 503 A; 7. 539 E); have gold
and silver mingled in their veins, 3. 415 A (cp. 416 E; 8. 547 A);
their happiness, 4. 419 foll.; 5. 465 E foll.; 6. 498 C; 7. 519 E;
will be the class in the state which possesses wisdom, 4. 428 [cp.
Laws 12. 965 A]; will form one family with the citizens, 5. 462–
466; must preserve moderation, ib. 466 B; divided into auxiliaries
and guardians proper, 3. 414 (cp. 8. 545 E; and see Auxiliaries,
Rulers):
—the guardians [i.e. the auxiliaries] must be courageous, 2. 375;
3. 386, 413 E, 416 E; 4. 429; 6. 503 E; must have no fear of death,
3. 386 (cp. 353 6. 486 C); not to weep, 3. 387 (cp. 10. 603 E); nor
to be given to laughter, 3. 388 [cp. Laws 5. 732; 11. 935]; must be
temperate, ib. 389 D; must not be avaricious, ib. 390 E; must only
imitate noble characters and actions, ib. 395 foll., 402 E; must
only learn the Dorian and Phrygian harmonies, and play on the
lyre and harp, ib. 398, 399; must be sober, ib. 398 E, 403 E; must

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be reared amid fair surroundings, ib. 401; athletes of war, ib. 403,
404 B; 4. 422; 7. 521 E; 8. 543 [cp. Laws 8. 830]; must live
according to rule, 3. 404; will not go to law or have resort to
medicine, ib. 410 A; must have common meals and live a
soldier’s life, ib. 416; will not require gold or silver or property of
any kind, ib. 417; 4. 419, 420 A, 422 D; 5. 464 C; compared to a
garrison of mercenaries (Adeimantus), 4. 419 (cp. 8. 543); must
go to war on horseback in their childhood, 5. 467; 7. 537 A;
regulations for their conduct in war, 5. 467–471:
—female guardians, ib., 456, 458, 468; 7. 540 C (cp. Women).
Gyges, 2. 359 C; 10. 612 B.
Gymnastic, supposed to be intended only for the body, 2. 376 E; 3. 403;
7. 521 [cp. Laws 7. 795 E]; really designed for the improvement
of the soul, 3. 410; like music, should be continued throughout
life, ib. 403 C; effect of excessive, ib. 404, 410; 7. 537 B; should
be of a simple character, 3. 404, 410 A; the ancient forms of, to be
retained, 4. 424; must co-operate with music in creating a
harmony of the soul, ib. 441 E; suitable to women, 5. 452–457
[cp. Laws 7. 804, 813, 833]; ought to be combined with
intellectual pursuits, 7. 535 D [cp. Tim. 88]; time to be spent in,
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H.

Habit and virtue, 7. 518 E; 10. 619 D.
Hades, tales about the terrors of, 1. 330 D; 2. 366 A; such tales not to be
heeded, 3. 386 B [cp. Crat. 403];
—the place of punishment, 2. 363; 10. 614 foll.; Musaeus’
account of the good and bad in, 2. 363;
—the journey to, 10. 614 [cp. Phaedo 108 A]:
—(Pluto) helmet of, 10. 612 B. Cp. World below.
Half, the, better than the whole, 5. 466 B.
Handicraft arts, a reproach, 9. 590 [cp. Gorg. 512].
Happiness of the unjust, 1. 354; 2. 364; 3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A, and Gorg.
470 foll.; Laws 2. 661; 10. 899 E, 905 A);
—of the guardians, 4. 576 foll.; 5. 465 E foll.; 6. 498 C; 7. 519 E;
—of Olympic victors, 5. 465 D, 466 A; 10. 618 A;
—of the tyrant, 9. 576 foll., 587;
—the greatest happiness awarded to the most just, ib. 580 foll.
Harmonies, the more complex to be rejected, 3. 397 foll.;
—the Lydian harmony, ib. 398; the Ionian, ib. E; the Dorian and
Phrygian alone to be accepted, ib. 399.
Harmony, akin to virtue, 3. 401 A (cp. 7. 522 A);
—science of, must be acquired by the rulers, 7. 531 (cp. Music);
—harmony of soul and body, 3. 402 D;
—harmony of the soul, effected by temperance, 4. 430, 441 E,
442 D, 443 (cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B);
—harmony in the acquisition of wealth, 9. 591 E.
Harp, the, (κιθάρα), allowed in the best state, 3. 399. 354

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Health and justice compared, 4. 444; pleasure of health, 9. 583 C;
secondary to virtue, ib. 591 D.
Hearing, classed among faculties, 5. 477 E; composed of two elements,
speech and hearing, and not requiring, like sight, a third
intermediate nature, 6. 507 C.
Heaven, the starry, the fairest of visible things, 7. 529 D; the motions of,
not eternal, ib. 530 A.
Heaviness, 5. 479; 7. 524 A.
Hector, dragged by Achilles round the tomb of Patroclus, 3. 391 B.
Helen, never went to Troy, 9. 586 C.
Hellas, not to be devastated in civil war, 5. 470 A foll., 471 A:
—Hellenes characterised by the love of knowledge, 4. 435 E; did
not originally strip in the gymnasia, 5. 452 D; not to be enslaved
by Hellenes, ib. 469 B, C; united by ties of blood, ib. 470 C; not
to devastate Hellas, ib. 471 A foll.; Hellenes and barbarians are
strangers, ib. 469 D, 470 C [cp. Pol. 262 D].
Hellespont, 3. 404 C.
Hephaestus, binds Herè, 2. 378 D; thrown from heaven by Zeus, ibid.;
improperly delineated by Homer, 3. 389 A; chains Ares and
Aphroditè, ib. 390 C.
Heracleitus, the ‘sun of,’ 6. 498 B.
Herè, bound by Hephaestus, 2. 378 D; Herè and Zeus, ibid.; 3. 390 B;
begged alms for the daughters of Inachus, 2. 381 D.
Hermes, the star sacred to (Mercury), 10. 617 A.
Hermus, 8. 566 C.
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Heroes, not to lament, 3. 387, 388; 10. 603–606; to be rewarded, 5. 468;
after death, ibid.
Heroic rhythm, 3. 400 C.
Hesiod, his rewards of justice, 2. 363 B; 10. 612 A; his stories improper
for youth, 2. 377 D; his classification of the races, 8. 547 A; a
wandering rhapsode, 10. 600 D:—
Quoted:—
Theogony,
l. 154, 459, 2. 377 E.
Works and Days,
l. 40, 5. 466 B.
l. 109, 8. 546 E.
l. 122, 5. 468 E.
l. 233, 2. 363 B.
l. 287, ib. 364 D.
Fragm. 117, 3. 390 E.
Hirelings, required in the state, 2. 371 E.
Holiness of marriage, 5. 458 E, 459 [cp. Laws 6. 776]. See Marriage.
Homer, supports the theory that justice is a thief, 1. 334 B; his rewards of
justice, 2. 363 B; 10. 612 A; his stories not approved for youth, 2.
377 D foll. (cp. 10. 595); his mode of narration, 3. 393 A foll.;
feeds his heroes on campaigners’ fare, ib. 404 C; Socrates’ feeling
of reverence for him, 10. 595 C, 607 (cp. 3. 391 A); the captain
and teacher of the tragic poets, 10. 595 B, 598 D, E; not a
legislator, ib. 599 E; or a general, ib. 600 A [cp. Ion 537 foll.]; or
inventor, ibid.; or teacher, ibid.; no educator, ib. 600, 606 E, 607
B; not much esteemed in his lifetime, ib. 600 B foll.; went about
as a rhapsode, ibid. Passages quoted or referred to:—
Iliad i.
l. 11 foll., 3. 392 E foll.
l. 131, 6. 501 B.
l. 225, 3. 389 E.
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l. 599 foll., 3. 389 A.
Iliad ii.
l. 623, 6. 501 C.
Iliad iii.
l. 8, 3. 389 E. 355
Iliad iv.
l. 69 foll., 2. 379 E.
l. 218, 3. 408 A.
l. 412, ib. 389 E.
l. 431, ibid.
Iliad v.
l. 845, 10. 612 B.
Iliad vii.
l. 321, 5. 468 D.
Iliad viii.
l. 162, ibid.
Iliad ix.
l. 497 foll., 2. 364 D.
l. 513 foll., 3. 390 E.
Iliad xi.
l. 576, ib. 405 E.
l. 624, ibid.
l. 844, ib. 408 A.
Iliad xii.
l. 311, 5. 468 E.
Iliad xiv.
l. 294 foll., 3. 390 C.
Iliad xvi.
l. 433, ib. 388 C.
l. 776, 8. 566 D.
l. 856 foll., 3. 386 E.
Iliad xviii.
l. 23 foll., ib. 388 A.
l. 54, ib. B.
Iliad xix.
l. 278 foll., ib. 390 E.

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Iliad xx.
l. 4 foll., 2. 379 E.
l. 64 foll., 3. 386 C.
Iliad xxi.
l. 222 foll., ib. 391 B.
Iliad xxii.
ll. 15, 20, ib. A.
l. 168 foll., ib. 388 C.
l. 362 foll., ib. 386 E.
l. 414, ib. 388 B.
Iliad xxiii.
l. 100 foll., ib. 387 A.
l. 103 foll., ib. 386 D.
l. 151 ib. 391 B.
l. 175 ibid.
Iliad xxiv.
l. 10 foll., ib. 388 A.
l. 527, 2. 379 D.
Odyssey i.
l. 351 foll., 4. 424 D.
Odyssey viii.
l. 266 foll., 3. 390 D.
Odyssey ix.
l. 9. foll., ib. B.
l. 91 foll., 8. 560 C.
Odyssey x.
l. 495, 3. 386 E.
Odyssey xi.
l. 489 foll., ib. C; 7. 516 D.
Odyssey xii.
l. 342, 3. 390 B.
Odyssey xvii.
l. 383 foll., ib. 389 D.
l. 485 foll., 2. 381 D.
Odyssey xix.
l. 109 foll., ib. 363 B.

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l. 395, 1. 334 B.
Odyssey xx.
l. 17, 3. 390 D; 4. 441 B.
Odyssey xxiv.
l. 6, 3. 387 A.
l. 40, 8. 566 D.
Homer, allusions to, 1. 328 E; 2. 381 D; 3. 390 E; 8. 544 D.
Homeridae, 10. 599 E.
Honest man, the, a match for the rogue, 3. 409 C (cp. 10. 613 C).
Honesty, fostered by the possession of wealth, 1. 331 A; thought by
mankind to be unprofitable, 2. 364 A; 3. 392 B.
Honour, pleasures enjoyed by the lover of, 9. 581 C, 586 E:
—the ‘government of honour,’ see Timocracy.
Hope, the comfort of the righteous in old age (Pindar), 1. 331 A.
Household cares, 5. 465 C.
Human interests, unimportance of, 10. 604 B (cp. 6. 486 A, and Theaet.
173; Laws 1. 644 E; 7. 803);
—life, full of evils, 2. 379 C; shortness of, 10. 608 D;
—nature, incapable of doing many things well, 3. 395 B;
—sacrifices, 8. 565 D. 356

Hunger, 4. 437 E, 439; an inanition (κένωσις) of the body, 9. 585 A.
Hymns, to the gods, may be allowed in the State, 10: 607 A [cp. Laws 3.
700 A; 7. 801 E];
—marriage hymns, 5. 459 E.
Hypothesis, in mathematics and in the intellectual world, 6. 510; in the
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I.

Iambic measure, 3. 400 C.
Ida, altar of the gods on, 3. 391 E.
Idea of good, the source of truth, 6. 508 (cp. 505); a cause like the sun, ib.
508; 7. 516, 517; must be apprehended by the lover of knowledge,
7. 534;
—ideas and phenomena, 5. 476; 6. 507;
—ideas and hypotheses, 6. 510;
—absolute ideas, 5. 476 [cp. Phaedo 65, 74; Parm. 133]; origin of
abstract ideas, 7. 523; nature of, 10. 596; singleness of, ib. 597
[cp. Tim. 28, 51].
Idea. [The Idea of Good is an abstraction, which, under that name at
least, does not elsewhere occur in Plato’s writings. But it is
probably not essentially different from another abstraction, ‘the
true being of things,’ which is mentioned in many of his Dialogues
[cp. passages cited s. v. Being]. He has nowhere given an
explanation of his meaning, not because he was ‘regardless
whether we understood him or not,’ but rather, perhaps, because
he was himself unable to state in precise terms the ideal which
floated before his mind. He belonged to an age in which men felt
too strongly the first pleasure of metaphysical speculation to be
able to estimate the true value of the ideas which they conceived
(cp. his own picture of the effect of dialectic on the youthful mind,
7. 539). To him, as to the Schoolmen of the Middle Ages, an
abstraction seemed truer than a fact: he was impatient to shake
off the shackles of sense and rise into the purer atmosphere of
ideas. Yet in the allegory of the cave (Book VII), whose
inhabitants must go up to the light of perfect knowledge but
descend again into the obscurity of opinion, he has shown that he
was not unaware of the necessity of finding a firm starting-point
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passage in the Philebus (65 A) gives perhaps the best insight into
his meaning: ‘If we are not able to hunt the good with one idea
only, with three we may take our prey,—Beauty, Symmetry, Truth.’
The three were inseparable to the Greek mind, and no conception
of perfection could be formed in which they did not unite. (Cp.
Introduction, pp. lxix, xcvii).]
Ideal state, is it possible? 5. 471, 473; 6. 499; 7. 540 (cp. 7. 520, and
Laws 4. 711 E; 5. 739); how to be commenced, 6. 501; 7. 540:
—ideals, value of, 5. 472. For the ideal state, see City,
Constitution, Education, Guardians, Rulers, etc.
Ignorance, nature of, 5. 477, 478; an inanition (κένωσις) of the soul, 9.
585.
Iliad, the style of, illustrated, 3. 392 E foll.; mentioned, ib. 393 A. Cp.
Homer, Odyssey.
Ilion, see Troy.
Illegitimate children, 5. 461 A.
Illusions of sight, 7. 523; 10. 602 [cp. Phaedo 65 A; Phil. 380, 42 D;
Theaet. 157 E].
Images, (i.e. reflections of visible objects), 6. 510; 10. 596 (cp. Tim. 52
D). 357

Imitation in style, 3. 393, 394; 10. 596 foll., 600 foll.; affects the
character, 3. 395; thrice removed from the truth, 10. 596, 597,
598, 602 B; concerned with the weaker part of the soul, ib. 604.
Imitative poetry, 10. 595; arts, inferior, ib. 605.
Imitators, ignorant, 10. 602.
Immortality, proof of, 10. 608 foll., (cp. 6. 498 C, and see Soul).
Impatience, uselessness of, 10. 604 C.
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Inachus, Herè asks alms for the daughters of, 2. 381 D.
Inanitions (κένωσεις) of body and soul, 9. 585 A.
Incantations used by mendicant prophets, 2. 364 B; in medicine, 4. 426
A.
Income Tax, 1. 343 D.
Indifference to money, characteristic of those who inherit a fortune, 1.
330 B.
Individual, inferior types of the, 8. 545; individual and state, 2. 368; 4.
434, 441; 5. 462; 8. 544; 9. 577 B [cp. Laws 3. 689; 5. 739; 9.
875, 877 C; 11. 923].
Infants have spirit, but not reason, 4. 441 [cp. Laws 12. 963 E].
Informers, 9. 575 B.
Injustice, advantage of, 1. 343; defined by Thrasymachus as discretion,
ib. 348 D; injustice and vice, ibid.; suicidal to states and
individuals, ib. 351 E [cp. Laws 10. 906 A]; in perfection, 2. 360;
eulogists of, ib. 361, 366, 367; 3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A; 9. 588);
only blamed by those who have not the power to be unjust, 2. 366
C; in the state, 4. 434; = anarchy in the soul, ib. 444 B [cp. Soph.
228]; brings no profit, 9. 589, 590; 10. 613.
Innovation in education dangerous, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 2. 656, 660 A]. See
Gymnastic, Music.
Intellect, objects of, classified, 7. 534 (cp. 5. 476); relation of the intellect
and the good, 6. 508.
Intellectual world, divisions of, 6. 510 foll.; 7. 517; compared to the
visible, 6. 508, 509; 7. 532 A.
Intercourse between the sexes, 5. 458 foll. [cp. Laws 8. 839 foll.]; in a
democracy, 8. 563 B.
Interest, sometimes irrecoverable by law, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 5. 742 C].

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Intermediates, 9. 583.
Intimations, the, given by the senses imperfect, 7. 523 foll.; 10. 602.
Intoxication, not allowed in the state, 3. 398 E, 403 E. Cp. Drinking.
Invalids, 3. 406, 407; 4. 425, 426.
Ionian harmony, must be rejected, 3. 399 A.
Iron (and brass) mingled by the God in the husbandmen and craftsmen, 3.
415 A (cp. 8. 547 A).
Ismenias, the Theban, ‘a rich and mighty man,’ 1. 336 A.
Italy, ‘can tell of Charondas as a lawgiver,’ 10. 599 E.

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J.

Judge, the good, must himself be virtuous, 3. 409 [cp. Pol. 305].
Judgement, the final, 10. 614 foll. Cp. Hades.
Juggling, 10. 602 D.
Just man, the, is at a disadvantage compared with the unjust
(Thrasymachus), 1. 343; is happy, ib. 354 [cp. Laws 1. 660 E];
attains harmony in his soul, 4. 443 E; proclaimed the happiest, 9.
580 foll.;
—just men the friends of the gods, 10. 613 [cp. Phil. 39 E; Laws
4. 716 D];
—just and unjust are at heart the same (Glaucon), 3. 360.
Justice, = to speak the truth and pay one’s debts, 1. 331 foll.; 358 = the
interest of the stronger, ib. 338; 2. 367 [cp. Gorg. 489; Laws 4.
714 A]; = honour among thieves, 1. 352; = the excellence of the
soul, ib. 353:
—the art which gives good and evil to friends and enemies, ib.
332 foll., 336; is a thief, ib. 334; the proper virtue of man, ib. 335;
‘sublime simplicity,’ ib. 348; does not aim at excess, ib. 349;
identical with wisdom and virtue, ib. 351; a principle of harmony,
ibid. (cp. 9. 591 D); in the highest class of goods, 2. 357, 367 D
[cp. Laws 1. 631 C]; the union of wisdom, temperance, and
courage, 4. 433 [cp. Laws 1. 631 C]; a division of labour, ibid.
foll. (cp. supra, 1. 332, 349, 350, and 1 Alcib. 127):
—nature and origin of (Glaucon), 2. 358, 359; conventional, ib.
359 A [cp. Theaet. 172 A, 177 C; Laws 10. 889, 890]; praised for
its consequences only (Adeimantus), ib. 362 E, 366; a matter of
appearance, ib. 365:
—useful alike in war and peace, 1. 333; can do no harm, ib. 335;
more precious than gold, ib. 336; toilsome, 2. 364:
—compared to health, 4. 444:
—the poets on, 2. 363, 364, 365 E:

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—in perfection, ib. 361:
—more profitable than injustice, 4. 445; 9. 589 foll.; superior to
injustice, 9. 589; final triumph of, ib. 580; 10. 612, 613:
—in the state, 2. 369; 4. 431; the same in the individual and the
state, 4. 435 foll., 441 foll.:
—absolute justice, 5. 479 E; 6. 501 B; 7. 517 E.
Justice. [The search for justice is the groundwork or foundation of the
Republic, which commences with an enquiry into its nature and
ends with a triumphant demonstration of the superior happiness
enjoyed by the just man. In the First Book several definitions of
justice are attempted, all of which prove inadequate. Glaucon and
Adeimantus then intervene:—mankind regard justice as a
necessity, not as a good in itself, or at best as only to be practised
because of the temporal benefits which flow from it: can Socrates
prove that it belongs to a higher class of goods? Socrates in reply
proposes to construct an ideal state in which justice will be more
easily recognised than in the individual. Justice is thus discovered
to be the essential virtue of the state, (a thesis afterwards
enlarged upon by Aristotle [Pol. i. 2, § 16; iii. 13, § 3]), the bond
of the social organization, and, like temperance in the Laws [3.
696, 697; 4. 709 E], rather the accompaniment or condition of the
virtues than a virtue in itself [cp. Introduction, p. lxiii]. Expressed
in an outward or political form it becomes the great principle
which has been already enunciated (i. 322), ‘that every man shall
do his own work;’ on this Plato bases the necessity of the division
into classes which underlies the whole fabric of the ideal state (4.
433 foll.; Tim. 17 C). Thus we are led to acknowledge the
happiness of the just; for he alone reflects in himself this vital
principle of the state (4. 445). The final proof is supplied by a
comparison of the perfect state with actual forms of government.
These, like the individuals who correspond to them, become more
and more miserable as they recede further from the ideal, and the
climax is reached (9. 587) when the tyrant is shown by the aid of
arithmetic to have ‘729 times less pleasure than the king’ [i.e. the
perfectly just ruler]. Lastly, the happiness of the just is proved to

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359 extend also into the next world, where men appear before the
judgment seat of heaven and receive the due reward of their deeds
in this life.]

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K.

King, the Great, 8. 553 D:
—pleasure of the king and the tyrant compared, 9. 587 foll.;
—kings and philosophers, 5. 473 (cp. 6. 487 E, 498 foll., 501 E
foll.; 7. 540; 8. 543; 9. 592).
Kisses, the reward of the brave warrior, 5. 468 C.
Knowledge (ἐπιστήμη, γιγνώσκειν), = knowledge of ideas, 6. 484;
—nature of, 5. 477, 478; classed among faculties, ib. 477; 6. 511
E; 7. 533 E;
—previous, to birth, 7. 518 C;
—how far given by sense, ib. 529 [cp. Phaedo 75];
—should not be acquired under compulsion, ib. 536 E;
—the foundation of courage, 4. 429 [cp. Laches 193, 197; Protag.
350, 360];
—knowledge and opinion, 5. 476–478; 6. 508, 510 A; 7. 534;
knowledge and pleasure, 6. 505; knowledge and wisdom, 4. 428;
—the highest knowledge, 6. 504; 7. 514 foll.;
—unity of knowledge, 5. 479 [cp. Phaedo 101];
—the best knowledge, 10. 618;
—knowledge of shadows, 6. 511 D; 7. 534 A:
—love of knowledge characteristic of the Hellenes, 4. 435 E;
peculiar to the rational element of the soul, 9. 581 B.

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L.

Labour, division of, 2. 370, 374 A; 3. 394 E, 395 B, 397 E; 4. 423 E, 433
A, 435 A, 441 E, 443, 453 B [cp. Laws 8. 846, 847].
Lacedaemon, owes its good order to Lycurgus, 10. 599 E;
—constitution of, commonly extolled, 8. 544 D; a timocracy, ib.
545 B:
—Lacedaemonians first after the Cretans to strip in the gymnasia,
5. 452 D.
Lachesis, turns the spindle of Necessity together with Clotho and
Atropos, 10. 617 C; her speech, ib. D; apportions a genius to each
soul, ib. 620 D.
Lamentation over the dead, to be checked, 3. 387.
Lands, partition of, proclaimed by the would-be tyrant, 8. 565 E, 566 E.
Language, pliability of, 9. 588 D [cp. Soph. 277 B].
Laughter not to be allowed in the guardians, 3. 388 [cp. Laws 5. 732; 11.
935]; nor represented in the gods, ib. 389.
Laws, may be given in error, 1. 339 E; supposed to arise from a
convention among mankind, 2. 359 A; cause of, 3. 405; on special
subjects of little use, 4. 425, 426 [cp. Laws 7. 788]; treated with
contempt in democracies, 8. 563 E; bring help to all in the state,
9. 590.
Lawyers, increase when wealth abounds, 4. 405 A.
Learning, pleasure of, 6. 486 C (cp. 9. 581, 586).
Legislation, cannot reach the minutiae of life, 4. 425, 426; requires the
help of God, ib. 425 E. Cp. Laws.
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Lethe, 10. 621.
Letters, image of the large and small, 2. 368; 3. 402 A.
Liberality, one of the virtues of the philosopher, 6. 485 E.
Liberty, characteristic of democracy, 8. 557 B, 561–563.
Licence, begins in music, 4. 424 E [cp. Laws 3. 701 B]; in democracies,
8. 562 D.
Licentiousness forbidden, 5. 458. 360

Lie, a, hateful to the philosopher, 6. 490 C (cp. supra 486 E);
—the true lie and the lie in words, 2. 382;
—the royal lie (γενναίον ψεῦδος), 3. 414;
—rulers of the state may lie, 2. 382; 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D;
—the Gods not to be represented as lying, 2. 382;
—lies of the poets, ib. 377 foll.; 3. 386, 408 B (cp. 10. 597 foll.).
Life in the early state, 2. 372;
—loses its zest in old age, 1. 329 A; full of evils, 2. 379 C;
intolerable without virtue, 4. 445; shortness of, compared to
eternity, 10. 608 D;
—the life of virtue toilsome, 2. 364 D;
—the just or the unjust, which is the more advantageous? ib. 347
foll.;
—three kinds of lives among men, 9. 581;
—life of women ought to resemble that of men, 5. 451 foll. [cp.
Laws 7. 804 E];
—the necessities of life, 2. 369, 373 A;
—the prime of life, 5. 460 E.
Light, 6. 507 E. Cp. Sight, Vision.
Light and heavy, 5. 479; 7. 524.
Like to like, 4. 425 C.
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Litigation, the love of, ignoble, 3. 405.
Logic; method of residues, 4. 427;
—accidents and essence distinguished, 5. 454;
—nature of opposition, 4. 436;
—categories, πρός τι, 4. 437; quality and relation, ibid.;
—fallacies, 6. 487. For Plato’s method of definitions, see
Knowledge, Temperance; and cp. Dialectic, Metaphysic.
Lotophagi, 8. 560 C.
Lots, use of, 5. 460 A, 462 E; election by, characteristic of democracy, 8.
557 A.
Love of the beautiful, 3. 402, 403 [cp. 1 Alcib. 131]; bodily love and true
love, ib. 403; love and the love of knowledge, 5. 474 foll.; is of
the whole, not of the part, ib. C, 475 B; 6. 485 B; a tyrant, 9. 573
B, 574 E (cp. 1. 329 B):
—familiarities which may be allowed between the lover and the
beloved, 3. 403 B:
—lovers’ names, 5. 474:
—lovers of wine, ib. 475 A:
—lovers of beautiful sights and sounds, ib. 476 B, 479 A, 480.
Luxury in the state, 2. 372, 373; a cause of disease, 3. 405 E; would not
give happiness to the citizens, 4. 420, 421; makes men cowards,
9. 590 B.
Lycaean Zeus, temple of, 8. 565 D.
Lycurgus, the author of the greatness of Lacedaemon, 10. 599 E.
Lydia, kingdom of, obtained by Gyges, 2. 359 C:
—Lydian harmonies, to be rejected, 3. 398 E foll.
Lying, a privilege of the state, 3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D.
Lyre, the instrument of Apollo, and allowed in the best state, 3. 399 D.
Lysanias, father of Cephalus, 1. 330 B.

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M.

Madman, arms not to be returned to a, 1. 331; fancies of madmen, 8. 573
C.
Magic, 10. 602 D.
Magistrates, elected by lot in democracy, 8. 557 A.
Magnanimity, (μεγαλόπρεπεια), one of the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 486
A, 490 E, 494 A.
Maker, the, not so good a judge as the user, 10. 601 C [cp. Crat. 390].
Man, ‘the master of himself,’ 4. 430 E [cp. Laws 1. 626 E foll.]; ‘the
form and likeness of God,’ 6. 501 B [cp. Phaedr. 248 A; Theaet.
176 C; Laws 4. 716 D]; his unimportance, 10. 604 B (cp. 6. 486
A, 361 and Laws 1. 644 E; 7. 803); has the power to choose his
own destiny, 10. 617 E;
—the one best man, 6. 502 [cp. Pol. 301]:
—Men are not just of their own will, 2. 366 C; unite in the state in
order to supply each other’s wants, ib. 369;
—the nature of men and women, 5. 453–455;
—analogy of men and animals, ib. 459;
—three classes of, 9. 581.
Manners, influenced by education, 4. 424, 425; cannot be made the
subject of legislation, ibid.; freedom of, in democracies, 8. 563 A.
‘Many,’ the term, as applied to the beautiful, the good, &c., 6. 507.
Many, the, flatter their leaders into thinking themselves statesmen, 4.
426; wrong in their notions about the honourable and the good, 6.
493 E; would lose their harsh feeling towards philosophy if they
could see the true philosopher, ib. 500; their pleasures and pains,
9. 586;
—‘the great beast,’ 6. 493. Cp. Multitude.

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Marionette players, 7. 514 B.
Marriage, holiness of, 5. 458 E, 459; age for, ib. 460; prayers and
sacrifices at, ibid.;
—marriage festivals, ib. 459, 460.
Marsyas, Apollo to be preferred to, 3. 399 E.
Mathematics, 7. 522–532; use of hypotheses in, 6. 510;
—mathematical notions perceived by a faculty of the soul, 6. 511
C:
—the mathematician not usually a dialectician, 7. 531 E.
Mean, happiness of the, 10. 619 A [cp. Laws 3. 679 A; 5. 728 E; 7. 792
D].
Meanness, unknown to the philosopher, 6. 486 A; characteristic of the
oligarchs, 8. 554.
Measurement, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 D.
Meat, roast, the best diet for soldiers, 3. 404 D.
Medicine, cause of, 3. 405; not intended to preserve unhealthy and
intemperate subjects, ib. 406 foll., 408 A; 4. 426 A [cp. Tim. 89
B]; the two kinds of, 5. 459 [cp. Laws 4. 720]; use of incantations
in, 4. 426 A;
—analogy of, employed in the definition of justice, 1. 332 C.
Megara, battle of, 2. 368 A.
Melody, in education, 3. 398 foll.; its influence, 10. 601 B.
Memory, the philosopher should have a good, 6. 486 D, 490 E, 494 A; 7.
535 B.
Mendicant prophets, 2. 364 C.
Menelaus, treatment of, when wounded, 3. 408 A.
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Mental blindness, causes of, 7. 518.
Merchants, necessary in the state, 2. 371.
Metaphysics; absolute ideas, 5. 476;
—abstract and relative ideas, 7. 524;
—analysis of knowledge, 6. 510;
—qualifications of relative and correlative, 4. 437 foll.; 7. 524.
Cp. Idea, Logic.
Metempsychosis, 10. 617. Cp. Soul.
Midas, wealth of, 3. 408 B.
Might and right, 1. 338 foll. [cp. Gorg. 483, 489; Laws 1. 627; 3. 690; 10.
890].
Miletus, Thales of, 10. 600 A.
Military profession, the, 2. 374.
Mimetic art, in education, 3. 394 foll.; the same person cannot succeed in
tragedy and comedy, ib. 395 A; imitations lead to habit, ib. D;
men acting women’s part, ib. E; influence on character, ibid. foll.
Cp. Imitation.
‘Mine and thine,’ a common cause of dispute, 5. 462.
Ministers of the state must be educated, 7. 519. See Ruler. 362

Miser, the, typical of the oligarchical state, 8. 555 A (cp. 559 D).
Misfortune, to be borne with patience, 3. 387; 10. 603–606.
Models (or types), by which the poets are to be guided in their
compositions, 2. 379 A.
Moderation, necessity of, 5. 466 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 E; 5. 732, 736 E].
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Monarchy, distinguished from aristocracy as that form of the perfect state
in which one rules, 4. 445 C (cp. 9. 576 D, and Pol. 301); the
happiest form of government, 9. 576 E (cp. 580 C, 587 B).
Money, needed in the state, 2. 371 B [cp. Laws 11. 918]; not necessary in
order to carry on war, 4. 423;
—love of, among the Egyptians and Phoenicians, ib. 435 E;
characteristic of timocracy and oligarchy, 8. 548 A, 553, 562 A;
referred to the appetitive element of the soul, 9. 580 E;
despicable, ib. 589 E, 590 C (cp. 3. 390 E).
Money-lending, in oligarchies, 8. 555, 556.
Money-making, art of, in Cephalus’ family, 1. 330 B; evil of, 8. 556;
pleasure of, 9. 581 C, 586 E.
Money-qualifications in oligarchies, 8. 550, 551.
Moon, reputed mother of Orpheus, 2. 364 E.
Motherland, a Cretan word, 9. 575 E [cp. Menex. 237].
Mothers in the state, 5. 460.
Motion and rest, 4. 436;
—motion of the stars, 7. 529, 530; 10. 616 E.
Multitude, the, the great Sophist, 6. 492; their madness, ib. 496 C. Cp.
Many.
Musaeus, his pictures of a future life, 2. 363 D, E, 364 E.
Muses, the, Musaeus and Orpheus the children of, 2. 364 E.
Music, to be taught before gymnastic, 2. 376 E (cp. 3. 403 C); includes
literature (λόγοι), 2. 376 E;
—in education, ib. 377 foll.; 3. 398 foll.; 7. 522 A (see Poetry,
Poets, and cp. Protag. 326; Laws 2. 654, 660); complexity in, to
be rejected, 3. 397 [cp. Laws 7. 812]; the severe and the vulgar
kind, ibid. [cp. Laws 7. 802]; the end of, the love of beauty, ib.

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403 C; like gymnastic, should be studied throughout life, ibid.;
the simpler kinds of, foster temperance in the soul, ib. 404 A, 410
A; effect of excessive, ib. 410, 411; ancient forms of, not to be
altered, 4. 424 [cp. Laws 2. 657; 7. 799, 801]; must be taught to
women, 5. 452.
Music. [Music to the ancients had a far wider significance than to us. It
was opposed to gymnastic as ‘mental’ to ‘bodily’ training, and
included equally reading and writing, mathematics, harmony,
poetry, and music strictly speaking: drawing, as Aristotle tells us
(Pol. viii. 3, § 1), was sometimes made a separate division.
I. Music (in this wider sense), Plato says, should precede
gymnastic; and, according to a remarkable passage in the
Protagoras (325 C), the pupils in a Greek school were actually
instructed in reading and writing, made to learn poetry by heart,
and taught to play on the lyre, before they went to the gymnasium.
The ages at which children should commence these various
studies are not stated in the Republic; but in the VIIth Book of the
Laws, where the subject is treated more in detail, the children
begin going to school at ten, and spend three years in learning to
read and write, and another three years in music (Laws 7. 810).
This agrees very fairly with the selection of the 363 most promising
youth at the age of twenty (Rep. 7. 537), as it would allow a
corresponding period of three years for gymnastic training.
II. Music, strictly so called, plays a great part in Plato’s scheme
of education. He hopes by its aid to make the lives of his youthful
scholars harmonious and gracious, and to implant in their souls
true conceptions of good and evil. Music is a gift of the Gods to
men, and was never intended, ‘as the many foolishly and
blasphemously suppose,’ merely to give us an idle pleasure (Tim.
47 E; Laws 2. 654, 658 E; 7. 802 D). Neither should a freeman
aim at attaining perfect execution [cp. Arist. Pol. viii. 6, §§ 7, 15]:
in the Laws (7. 810) we are told that every one must go through
the three years course of music, ‘neither more nor less, whether
he like or whether he dislike the study.’ Both instruments and
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lyre, the pipe, and the flute are tolerated, and the Dorian and
Phrygian harmonies. No change in the fashions of music is
permitted; for where there is licence in music there will be
anarchy in the state. In this desire for simplicity and fixity in
music Plato was probably opposed to the tendencies of his own
age. The severe harmony which had once characterized Hellenic
art was passing out of favour: alike in architecture, sculpture,
painting, literature, and music, richer and more ornate styles
prevailed. We regard the change as inevitable, and not perhaps
wholly to be regretted: to Plato it was a cause rather than a sign
of the decline of Hellas.]
Musical amateurs, 5. 475;
—education, 2. 377; 3. 398 foll.; 7. 522 A;
—instruments, the more complex kinds of, rejected, 3. 399 [cp.
Laws 7. 812 D];
—modes, ib. 397–399; changes in, involve changes in the laws, 4.
424 C.
Mysteries, 2. 365 A, 366 A, 378 A; 8. 560 E.
Mythology, misrepresentations of the gods in, 2. 378 foll.; 3. 388 foll.,
408 C (cp. Gods); like poetry, has an imitative character, 3. 392 D
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N.

Narration, styles of, 3. 392, 393, 396.
National qualities, 4. 435.
Natural gifts, 2. 370 A; 5. 455; 6. 491 E, 495 A; 7. 519, 535.
Nature, recurrent cycles in, 8. 546 A (cp. Cycles); divisions of, 9. 584 [cp.
Phil. 23].
Necessities, the, of life, 2. 368, 373 A.
Necessity, the mother of the Fates, 10. 616, 617, 621 A.
Necessity, the, ‘which lovers know,’ 5. 458 E;
—the ‘necessity of Diomede,’ 6. 493 D.
Nemesis, 5. 451 A.
Niceratus, son of Nicias, 1. 327 C.
Nicias, 1. 327 C.
Nightingale, Thamyras changed into a, 10. 620.
Niobe, sufferings of, in tragic poetry, 2. 380 A.
νόμος, strain and law, 7. 532 E [cp. Laws 7. 800 A].
Not-being, 5. 477.
Novelties in music and gymnastic to be discouraged, 4. 424.
Number, said to have been invented by Palamedes, 7. 522 D;
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O.

Objects and ideas to be distinguished, 5. 476; 6. 507. 364

Odysseus and Alcinous, 10. 614 B; chooses the lot of a private man, ib.
620 D.
Odyssey, 3. 393 A. Cp. Iliad.
Office, not desired by the good ruler, 7. 520 A.
Old age, complaints against, 1. 329; Sophocles quoted in regard to, ibid.;
wealth a comforter of age, ibid.;
—old men think more of the future life, ib. 330; not students, 7.
536 [cp. Laches 189];
—the older to bear rule in the state, 3. 412 [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4.
714 E]; to be over the younger, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9.
879 C; 11. 917 A].
Oligarchy, a form of government which has many evils, 8. 544, 551, 552;
origin of, ib. 550; nature of, ibid.; always divided against itself,
ib. 551 D, 554 E
—the oligarchical man, 8. 553; a miser, ib. 555; his place in
regard to pleasure, 9. 587.
Olympian Zeus, the Saviour, 9. 583 B.
Olympic victors, happiness and glory of, 5. 465 D, 466 A (cp. 10. 618 A).
One, the, study of, draws the mind to the contemplation of true being, 7.
525 A.
Opinion and knowledge, 5. 476–478; 6. 508 D, 510 A; 7. 534; the lovers
of opinion, 5. 479, 480; a blind guide, 6. 506; objects of opinion
and intellect classified, 7. 534 (cp. 5. 476);
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Opposites, qualification of, 4. 436; in nature, 5. 454, 475 E. Cp.
Contradiction.
Oppositions in the soul, 10. 603 D.
Orpheus, child of the Moon and the Muses, 2. 364 E; soul of, chooses a
swan’s life, 10. 620 A;
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P.

Paeanian, Charmantides the, 1. 328 B.
Pain, cessation of, causes pleasure, 9. 583 D [cp. Phaedo 60 A; Phil. 51
A]; a motion of the soul, ib. E.
Painters, 10. 596, 597; are imitators, ib. 597 [cp. Soph. 234]; painters and
poets, ib. 597, 603, 605:
—‘the painter of constitutions,’ 6. 501.
Painting, in light and shade, 10. 602 C.
Palamedes and Agamemnon in the play, 7. 522 D.
Pamphylia, Ardiaeus a tyrant of some city in, 10. 615 C.
Pandarus, author of the violation of the oaths, 2. 379 E; wounded
Menelaus, 3. 408 A.
Panharmonic scale, the, 3. 399.
Panopeus, father of Epeus, 10. 620 B.
Pantomimic representations, not to be allowed, 3. 397.
Paradox about justice and injustice, the, 1. 348.
Parental anxieties, 5. 465 C [cp. Euthyd. 306 E].
Parents, the oldest and most indispensable of friends, 8. 574 C; parents
and children in the state, 5. 461.
Part and whole, in regard to the happiness of the state, 4. 420 D; 5. 466;
7. 519 E; in love, 5. 474 C, 475 B; 6. 485 B.
Passionate element of the soul, 4. 440; 6. 504 A; 8. 548 D; 9. 571 E, 580
A. See Spirit.
Passions, the, tyranny of, 1. 329 C; fostered by poetry, 10. 606.

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Patient and agent equally qualified, 4. 436 [cp. Gorg. 476; Phil. 27 A].
Patroclus, cruel vengeance taken by Achilles for, 3. 391 B; his treatment
of the wounded Eurypylus, ib. 406 A. 365

Pattern, the heavenly, 6. 500 E; 7. 540 A; 9. 592 [cp. Laws 5. 739 D].
Paupers. See Poor.
Payment, art of, 1. 346.
Peirithous, son of Zeus, the tale of, not to be repeated, 3. 391 D.
Peleus, the gentlest of men, 3. 391 C.
Perception, in the eye and in the soul, 6. 508 foll.
Perdiccas [King of Macedonia], 1. 336 A.
Perfect state, difficulty of, 5. 472; 6. 502 E [cp. Laws 4. 711]; possible, 5.
471, 473; 6. 499; 7. 540 [cp. Laws 5. 739]; manner of its decline,
8. 546 [cp. Crit. 120].
Periander, the tyrant, 1. 336 A.
Personalities, avoided by the philosopher, 6. 500 B [cp. Theaet. 174 C].
Personification; the argument compared to a search or chase, 2. 368 C; 4.
427 C, 432; to a stormy sea, 4. 441 B; to an ocean, 5. 453 D; to a
game of draughts, 6. 487 B; to a journey, 7. 532 E; to a charm, 10.
608 A;
—‘has travelled a long way,’ 6. 484 A;
—‘veils her face,’ ib. 503 A;
—‘following in the footsteps of the argument,’ 2. 365 C;
—‘whither the argument may blow, thither we go,’ 3. 394 D;
—‘a swarm of words,’ 5. 450 B;
—the three waves, ib. 457 C, 472 A, 473 C.
Persuasion [or Faith], one of the faculties of the soul, 6. 511 D; 7. 533 E.

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Philosopher, the, has the quality of gentleness, 2. 375, 376; 3. 410; 6. 486
C; ‘the spectator of all time and all existence,’ 6. 486 A [cp.
Theaet. 173 E]; should have a good memory, ib. D, 490 E, 494 A;
7. 535; has his mind fixed upon true being, 6. 484, 485, 486 E,
490, 500 C, 501 D; 7. 521, 537 D; 9. 581, 582 C (cp. 5. 475 E; 7.
520 B, 525, and Phaedo 82; Phaedr. 249; Theaet. 173 E; Soph.
249 D, 254); his qualifications and excellences, 6. 485 foll., 490
D, 491 B, 494 B [cp. Phaedo 68]; corruption of the philosopher,
ib. 491 foll.; is apt to retire from the world, ib. 496 [cp. Theaet.
173]; does not delight in personal conversation, ib. 500 B [cp.
Theaet. 174 C]; must be an arithmetician, 7. 525 B; pleasures of
the philosopher, 9. 581 E:
—Philosophers are to be kings, 5. 473 (cp. 6. 487 E, 498 foll., 501
E foll.; 7. 540; 8. 543; 9. 592); are lovers of all knowledge, 5.
475; 6. 486 A, 490; true and false, 5. 475 foll.; 6. 484, 491, 494,
496 A, 500; 7. 535; to be guardians, 2. 375 (see Guardians); why
they are useless, 6. 487 foll.; few in number, ib. E, 496, 499 B,
503 B [cp. Phaedo 69 C]; will frame the state after the heavenly
pattern, ib. 501; 7. 540 A; 9. 592; education of, 6. 503;
philosophers and poets, 10. 607 [cp. Laws 12. 967].
Philosophic nature, the, rarity of, 6. 491; causes of the ruin of, ibid.
Philosophy, every headache ascribed to, 3. 407 C; = love of real
knowledge, 6. 485 (cp. supra 5. 475 E); the corruption of, 6. 491;
philosophy and the world, ib. 494; the desolation of, ib. 495;
philosophy and the arts, ib. E, 496 C (cp. supra 5. 475 D, 476 A);
true and false philosophy, 6. 496 E, 498 E; philosophy and
governments, ib. 497; time set apart for, ib. 498; 7. 539;
commonly neglected in after life, 6. 498; prejudice against, ib.
500, 501; why it is useless, 7. 517, 535, 539; the guardian and
saviour of virtue, 8. 549 B; philosophy and poetry, 10. 607; aids a
man to make a wise choice in the next world, ib. 618. 366
Phocylides, his saying, ‘that as soon as a man has a livelihood he should
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Phoenician tale, the, 3. 414 C foll.
Phoenicians, their love of money, 4. 436 A.
Phoenix, tutor of Achilles, 3. 390 E.
Phrygian harmony, the, 3. 399.
Physician, the, not a mere money maker, 1. 341 C, 342 D; the good
physician, 3. 408; physicians find employment when luxury
increases, 2. 373 C; 3. 405 A. Cp. Medicine.
Pigs, sacrificed at the Mysteries, 2. 378 A.
Pilot, the, and the just man, 1. 332 (cp. 341); the true pilot, 6. 488 E.

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Pindar, on the hope of the righteous, 1. 331 A; on Asclepius, 3. 408 B;
—quoted, 2. 365 B.
Pipe, the, (σύριγξ), one of the musical instruments permitted to be used,
3. 399 D.
Piraeus, 1. 327 A; 4. 439 E; Socrates seldom goes there, 1. 328 C.
Pittacus of Mitylene, a sage, 1. 335 E.
Plays of children should be made a means of instruction, 4. 425 A; 7. 537
A [cp. Laws 1. 643 B].
Pleasure, not akin to virtue, 3. 402, 403; pleasure and love, ibid.; defined
as knowledge or good, 6. 505 B, 509 B; the highest, 9. 583;
caused by the cessation of pain, ib. D [cp. Phaedo 60 A; Phil. 51];
a motion of the soul, ib. E;
—real pleasure unknown to the tyrant, ib. 587;
—pleasure of learning, 6. 486 C (cp. 9. 581, 586, and Laws 2.
667);
—sensual pleasure, 7. 519; 9. 586; a solvent of the soul, 4. 430 A
[cp. Laws 1. 633 E]; not desired by the philosopher, 6. 485 E:
—Pleasures, division of, into necessary and unnecessary, 8. 558,
559, 561 A; 9. 572, 581 E; honourable and dishonourable, 8. 561
C; three classes of, 9. 581; criterion of, ib. 582; classification of,
ib. 583;
—pleasures of smell, ib. 584 B;
—pleasures of the many, 585; of the passionate, ib. 586; of the
philosopher, ib. 586, 587.
Pluto, 8. 554 B.
Poetry, styles of, 3. 392–394, 398; in the state, ib. 392–394, 398; 8. 568
B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A, 607 A [cp. Laws 7. 817]; effect of, 10.
605; feeds the passions, ib. 606; poetry and philosophy, ib. 607
[cp. Laws 12. 967]:
—‘colours’ of poetry, ib. 601 A.

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Poetry. [The Republic is the first of Plato’s works in which he seriously
examines the value of poetry in education, and the place of the
poets in the state. The question could hardly be neglected by the
philosopher who proposed to construct an ideal polity or
government of the best. For poetry played a great part in Hellenic
life: the children learned whole poems by heart in their schools
(Protag. 326 A; Laws 7. 810 C); the rhapsode delighted the
crowds at the festivals (Ion 535); the theatres were free, or almost
free, to all, ‘costing but a drachma at the most’ (Apol. 26 D); the
intervals of a banquet were filled up by conversation about the
poets (Protag. 347 C). The quarrel between philosophy and poetry
was an ancient one, which had found its first expression in the
attacks of Xenophanes (538 B.C.) and Heracleitus (508 B.C.) upon
the popular mythology. In the earlier dialogues of Plato the poets
are treated with an ironical courtesy, through which an
antagonistic spirit is allowed here and there to appear: they are
‘winged and holy beings’ (Ion 534) who sing by inspiration, 367
but at the same time are the worst possible critics of their own
writings and the most self-conceited of mortals (Apol. 22 D). In
the Republic (II and III), Plato begins the trial of poetry by the
enquiry whether the tales and legends related by the epic and
tragic poets are true in themselves or likely to furnish good
examples to his future citizens. They cannot be true, for they are
contrary to the nature of God (see s. v. God), and they are
certainly not proper lessons for youth. There must be a censorship
of poetry, and all objectionable passages expunged; suitable rules
and regulations will be laid down, and to these the poets must
conform. In the Xth Book the argument takes a deeper tone. The
Poet is proved to be an impostor thrice removed from the truth, a
wizard who steals the hearts of the unwary by his spells and
enchantments. Men easily fall into the habit of imitating what they
admire; and the lamentations and woes of the tragic hero and the
unseemly buffoonery of the comedian are equally bad models for
the citizens of a free and noble state. The poets must therefore be
banished, unless, Plato adds, the lovers of poetry can persuade us

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of her innocence of the charges laid against her. In the Laws a
similar conclusion is reached:—‘The state is an imitation of the
best life, and the noblest form of tragedy. The legislator and the
poet are rivals, and the latter can only be tolerated if his words
are in harmony with the laws of the state’ (vii. 817)].
Poets, the, love their poems as their own creation, 1. 330 C [cp. Symp.
209]; speak in parables, ib. 332 B (cp. 3. 413 B); on justice, 2.
363, 364, 365 E; bad teachers of youth, ib. 377; 3. 391, 392, 408
C [cp. Laws 10. 866 C, 890 A]; must be restrained by certain
rules, 2. 379 foll.; 3. 398 A [cp. Laws 2. 656, 660 A; 4. 719];
banished from the state, 3. 398 A; 8. 568 B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A,
607 A [cp. Laws 7. 817]; poets and tyrants, 8. 568; thrice removed
from the truth, 10. 596, 597, 598 E, 602 B, 605 C; imitators only,
ib. 600, 601 (cp. 3. 393, and Laws 4. 719 C); poets and painters,
10. 601, 603, 605;
—‘the poets who were children and prophets of the gods’ (?
Orpheus and Musaeus; cp. supra 364 E), 2. 366 A.
Polemarchus, the son of Cephalus, 1. 327 B; ‘the heir of the argument,’
ib. 331; intervenes in the discussion, ib. 340; wishes Socrates to
speak in detail about the community of women and children, 5.
449.
Politicians, in democracies, 8. 564.
Polydamas, the pancratiast, 1. 338 C.
Poor, the, have no time to be ill, 3. 406 E; everywhere hostile to the rich,
4. 423 A; 8. 551 E [cp. Laws 5. 736 A]; very numerous in
oligarchies, 8. 552 D; not despised by the rich in time of danger,
ib. 556 C.
Population, to be regulated, 5. 460.
Poverty, prejudicial to the arts, 4. 421; poverty and crime, 8. 552.
Power, the struggle for, 7. 520 C [cp. Laws 4. 715 A].

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Pramnian wine, 3. 405 E, 408 A.
Priam, Homer’s delineation of, condemned, 3. 388 B.
Prisoners in war, 5. 468–470.
Private property, not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A, 422 D;
5. 464 C; 8. 543.
Prizes of valour, 5. 468.
Prodicus, a popular teacher, 10. 600 C. 368

Property, to be common, 3. 416 E; 4. 420 A, 422 D; 5. 464 C; 8. 543;
restrictions on the disposition of, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 11. 923]:
—property qualifications in oligarchies, ib. 550, 551.
Prophets, mendicant, 2. 364 C.
Proportion, akin to truth, 6. 486 E.
Prose writers on justice, 2. 364 A.
Protagoras, his popularity as a teacher, 10. 600 C.
Proteus, not to be slandered, 2. 381 D.
Proverbs: ‘birds of a feather,’ 1. 329 A; ‘shave a lion,’ ib. 341 C; ‘let
brother help brother,’ 2. 362 D; ‘wolf and flock,’ 3. 415 D; ‘one
great thing,’4. 423 E; ‘hard is the good,’ ib. 435 C; ‘friends have
all things in common,’ 5. 449 C; ‘the useful is the noble,’ ib. 457
B; ‘the wise must go to the doors of the rich,’ 6. 489 B (cp. 2. 364
B); ‘what is more than human,’ 6. 492 E; ‘the necessity of
Diomede,’ ib. 493 D; ‘the she-dog as good as her mistress,’ 8. 563
D; ‘out of the smoke into the fire,’ ib. 569 B; ‘does not come
within a thousand miles’ (οὐδ’ ἴκταρ βάλλει), 9. 575 D.
Public, the, the great Sophist, 6. 492; compared to a many-headed beast,
ib. 493; cannot be philosophic, ib. 494 A [cp. Pol. 292 D]. See
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Punishment, of the wicked, in the world below, 2. 363; 10. 614. Cp.
Hades, World below.
Purgation of the luxurious state, 3. 399 E;
—of the city by the tyrant, 8. 567 D;
—of the soul, by the tyrannical man, ib. 573 A.
Pythagoreans, the, authorities on the science of harmony, 7. 529, 530,
531; never reach the natural harmonies of number, ib. 531 C;
—the Pythagorean way of life, 10. 600 A.
Pythian Oracle, the, 5. 461 E; 7. 540 C.

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Q.

Quacks, 5. 459.
Quarrels, dishonourable, 2. 378; 3. 395 E; will be unknown in the best
state, 2. 378 B; 5. 464 E [cp. Laws 5. 739];
—quarrels of the Gods and heroes, 2. 378.

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R.

Rational element of the soul, 4. 435–442; 6. 504 A; 8. 550 A; 9. 571, 580
E, 581 [cp. Tim. 69 E–72]; ought to bear rule, and be assisted by
the spirited element against the passions, 4. 441 E, 442;
characterized by the love of knowledge, 9. 581 B; the pleasures
of, the truest, ib. 582; preserves the mind from the illusions of
sense, 10. 602.
Rationalism among youth, 7. 538 [cp. Laws 10. 886].
Reaction, 8. 564 A.
Read, learning to, 3. 402 A.
Reason, a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 D (cp. 7. 533 E); reason and appetite,
9. 571 (cp. 4. 439–442, and Tim. 69 E foll.); reason should be the
guide of pleasure, 9. 585–587.
Reflections, 6. 510 A.
Relations, slights inflicted by, in old age, 1. 329.
Relative and correlative, qualifications of, 4. 437 foll. [cp. Gorg. 476];
how corrected, 7. 524.
Relativity of things and individuals, 5. 479; fallacies caused by, 9. 584,
585; 10. 602, 605 C.
Religion, matters of, left to the god at Delphi, 4. 427 A (cp. 5. 461 E, 469
A; 7. 540 B).
Residues, method of, 4. 427 E.
Rest and motion, 4. 436.
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Reverence in the young, 5. 465 A 369 [cp. Laws 5, 729; 9. 879; 11. 917
A].
Rhetoric, professors of, 2. 365 D.
Rhythm, 3. 400; goes with the subject, ib. 398 D, 400 B; its persuasive
influence, ib. 401 E; 10. 601 B.
Riches. See Wealth.
Riddle, the, of the eunuch and the bat, 5. 479 C.
Ridicule, only to be directed against folly and vice, 5. 452 E; danger of
unrestrained ridicule, 10. 606 C [cp. Laws 11. 935 A].
Riding, the children of the guardians to be taught, 5. 467; 7. 537 A [cp.
Laws 7. 794 D].
Right and might, 1. 338 foll.
Ruler, the, in the strict and in the popular sense, 1. 341 B; the true ruler
does not ask, but claim obedience, 6. 489 C [cp. Pol. 300, 301];
the ideal ruler, ib. 502:
—Rulers of states; do they study their own interests? 1. 338 D,
343, 346 (cp. 7. 520 C); are not infallible, 1. 339; how they are
paid, ib. 347; good men do not desire office, ibid.; 7. 520 D; why
they become rulers, 1. 347; present rulers dishonest, 6. 496 D:
—[in the best state] must be tested by pleasures and pains, 3. 413
(cp. 6. 503 A; 7. 539 E); have the sole privilege of lying, 2. 382;
3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663]; must be taken from
the older citizens, 3. 412 (cp. 6. 498 C); will be called friends and
saviours, 5. 463; 6. 502 E; must be philosophers, 2. 376; 5. 473;
6. 484, 497 foll., 501, 503 B; 7. 520, 521, 525 B, 540; 8. 543; the
qualities which must be found in them, 6. 503 A; 7. 535; must
attain to the knowledge of the good, 6, 506; 7. 519; will accept
office as a necessity, 7. 520 E, 540 A; will be selected at twenty,
and again at thirty, from the guardians, ib. 537; must learn
arithmetic, ib. 522–526; geometry, ib. 526, 527; astronomy, ib.
527–530; harmony, ib. 531; at thirty must be initiated into

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philosophy, ib. 537–539; at thirty-five must enter on active life,
ib. 539 E; after fifty may return to philosophy, ib. 540; when they
die, will be buried by the state and paid divine honours, 3. 414 A;
5. 465 E, 469 A; 7. 540 B. Cp. Guardians.

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S.

Sacrifices, private, 1. 328 B, 331 D;
—in atonement, 2. 364;
—human, in Arcadia, 8. 565 D.
Sailors, necessary in the state, 2. 371 B.
Sarpedon, 3. 388 C.
Sauces, not mentioned in Homer, 3. 404 D.
Scamander, beleaguered by Achilles, 3. 391 B.
Scepticism, danger of, 7. 538, 539.
Science (ἐπιστήμη), a division of the intellectual world, 7. 533 E (cp. 6.
511);
—the sciences distinguished by their object, 4. 438 [cp. Charm.
171]; not to be studied with a view to utility only, 7. 527 A, 529,
530; their unity, ib. 531; use hypotheses, ib. 533; correlation of,
ib. 537.
Sculpture, must only express the image of the good, 3. 401 B; painting
of, 4. 420 D [cp. Laws 2. 668 E].
Scylla, 9. 588 C.
Scythian, Anacharsis the, 10. 600 A;
—Scythians, the, characterized by spirit or passion, 4. 435 E.
Self-indulgence in men and states, 4. 425 E, 426;
—self-interest the natural guide of men, 2. 359 B;
—self-made men bad company, 1. 330 C;
—self-mastery, 4. 430, 431. 370

Sense, objects of, twofold, 7. 523; knowledge given by, imperfect, ibid.;
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—Senses, the, classed among faculties, 5. 477 C.
Seriphian, story of Themistocles and the, 1. 329 E.
Servants, old family, 8. 549 E.
Sex in the world below, 10. 618 B;
—sexes to follow the same training, 5. 451, 466 [cp. Laws 7.
805]; equality of, advantageous, ib. 456, 457; relation between,
ib. 458 foll. [cp. Laws 8. 835 E]; freedom of intercourse between,
in a democracy, 8. 563 B. Cp. Women.
Sexual desires, 5. 458 E [cp. Laws 6. 783 A; 8. 835 E].
Shadows, 6. 510 A;
—knowledge of shadows (εἰκασία), one of the faculties of the
soul, 6. 511 E; 7. 533 E.
Shepherd, the analogy of, with the ruler, 1. 343, 345 [cp. Pol. 275].
Shopkeepers, necessary in the state, 2. 371 [cp. Laws 11. 918].
Short sight, 2. 368 D.
Sicily, ‘can tell of Charondas,’ 10. 599 E;
—Sicilian cookery, 3. 404 D.
Sight, placed in the class of faculties, 5. 477 C; requires in addition to
vision and colour, a third element, light, 6. 507; the most
wonderful of the senses, ibid.; compared to mind, ib. 508; 7. 532
A; illusions of, 7. 523; 10. 602, 603 D:
—the world of sight, 7. 517.
Sign, the, of Socrates, 6. 496 C.
Silver, mingled by the God in the auxiliaries, 3. 415 A (cp. 416 E; 8. 547
A);
—[and gold] not allowed to the guardians, 3. 416 E; 4. 419, 422
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Simonides, his definition of justice discussed, 1. 331 D–335 E; a sage, ib.
335 E.
Simplicity, the first principle of education, 3. 397 foll., 400 E, 404; the
two kinds of, ib. 400 E; of the good man, ib. 409 A; in diet, 8. 559
C (cp. 3. 404 D).
Sin, punishment of, 2. 363; 10. 614 foll. Cp. Hades, World below.
Sirens, harmony of the, 10. 617 B.
Skilled person, the, cannot err (Thrasymachus), 1. 340 D.
Slavery, more to be feared than death, 3. 387 A; of Hellenes condemned,
5. 469 B.
Slaves, the uneducated man harsh towards, 8. 549 A; enjoy great freedom
in a democracy, ib. 563 B; always inclined to rise against their
masters, 9. 578 [cp. Laws 6. 776, 777].
Smallness and greatness, 4. 438 B; 5. 479 B; 7. 523, 524; 9. 575 C; 10.
602 D, 605 C.
Smell, pleasures of, 9. 584 B.
Snake-charming, 1. 358 B.
Socrates, goes down to the Peiraeus to see the feast of Bendis, 1. 327;
detained by Polemarchus and Glaucon, ibid.; converses with
Cephalus, ib. 328–332; trembles before Thrasymachus, ib. 336 D;
his irony, ib. 337 A; his poverty, ib. D; a sharper in argument, ib.
340 D; ignorant of what justice is, ib. 354 C; his powers of
fascination, 2. 358 A; requested by Glaucon and Adeimantus to
praise justice per se, ib. 367 B; cannot refuse to help justice, ib.
368 C; 4. 427 D; his oath ‘by the dog,’ 3. 399 E; 8. 567 E; 9. 592
A; hoped to have evaded discussing the subject of women and
children, 5. 449, 472, 473 (cp. 6. 502 E); his love of truth, 5. 451
A; 6. 504; his power in argument, 6. 487 B; not unaccustomed to
speak in parables, ib. E; his sign, ib. 496 C; his earnestness in

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behalf of philosophy, 7. 536 B; his reverence for Homer, 10. 595
C, 607 (cp. 3. 391 A). 371

Soldiers, must form a separate class, 2. 374; the diet suited for, 3. 404 D
(cp. Guardians);
—women to be soldiers, 5. 452, 466, 471 E;
—punishment of soldiers for cowardice, ib. 468 A. Cp. Warrior.
Solon, famous at Athens, 10. 599 E;
—quoted, 7. 536 D.
Son, the supposititious, parable of, 7. 537 E.
Song, parts of, 3. 398 D.
Sophists, the, their view of justice, 1. 338 foll.; verbal quibbles of, ib.
340; the public the great Sophist, 6. 492; the Sophists compared
to feeders of a beast, ib. 493.
Sophocles, a remark of, quoted, 1. 329 B.
Sorrow, not to be indulged, 3. 387; 10. 603–606; has a relaxing effect on
the soul, 4. 430 A; 10. 606.
Soul, the, has ends and excellences, 1. 353 D; beauty in the soul, 3. 401;
the fair soul in the fair body, ib. 402 D; sympathy of soul and
body, 5. 462 D, 464 B; conversion of the soul from darkness to
light, 7. 518, 521, 525 [cp. Laws 12. 957 E]; requires the aid of
calculation and intelligence in order to interpret the intimations of
sense, ib. 523, 524; 10. 602; has more truth and essence than the
body, 9. 585 D;
—better and worse principles in the soul, 4. 431; the soul divided
into reason, spirit, appetite, ib. 435–442; 6. 504 A; 8. 550 A; 9.
571, 580 E, 581 [cp. Tim. 69 E–72, 89 E; Laws 9. 863]; faculties
of the soul, 6. 511 E; 7. 533 E; oppositions in the soul, 10. 603 D
[cp. Soph. 228 A; Laws 10. 896 D];
—the lame soul, 3. 401; 7. 535 [cp. Tim. 44; Soph. 228];
—the soul marred by meanness, 6. 495 E [cp. Gorg. 524 E];
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—number of souls does not increase, 10. 611 A;
—the soul after death, ib. 614 foll.;
—transmigration of souls, ib. 617 [cp. Phaedr. 249; Tim. 90 E
foll.];
—the soul impure and disfigured while in the body, ib. 611 [cp.
Phaedo 81];
—compared to a many-headed monster, 9. 588; to the images of
the sea-god Glaucus, 10. 611;
—like the eye, 6. 508; 7. 518;
—harmony of the soul, produced by temperance, 4. 430, 442, 443
(cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B);
—eye of the soul, 7. 518 D, 527 E, 533 D, 540 A;
—five forms of the state and soul, 4. 445; 5. 449; 9. 577.
Soul. [The psychology of the Republic, while agreeing generally with that
of the other Dialogues, is in some respects a modification or
developement of their conclusions.
—The division of the soul into three elements, reason, spirit,
appetite, here first assumes a precise form, and henceforward has
a permanent place in the language of philosophy (cp. Introd. p.
lxvii). On this division the distinction between forms of
government is based (see s. v. Government). Virtue, again, is the
harmony or accord of the different elements, when the dictates of
reason are enforced by passion against the appetites, while vice is
the anarchy or discord of the soul when passion and appetite join
in rebellion against reason (cp. 4. 444; 10. 609 foll.; Soph. 228;
Pol. 296 D; Laws 10. 906 C].
—Regarded from the intellectual side the soul is analysed into
four faculties, reason, understanding, faith, knowledge of
shadows. These severally correspond to the four divisions of
knowledge (6. 511 E), two for intellect and two for opinion; and
thus arises the Platonic ‘proportion,’—being : becoming ::
intellect : opinion, and science : belief 372 :: understanding :
knowledge of shadows. These divisions are partly real, partly
formed by a logical process, which, as in so many distinctions of
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and explained by the allegory of the cave in Book VII (see
Introduction, p. xciv).
—The pre-existence and the immortality of the soul are assumed.
The doctrine of ἀνάμνησις or ‘remembrance of a previous birth’ is
not so much dwelt upon as in the Meno, Phaedo, or Phaedrus,
neither is it made a proof of immortality (Meno 86; Phaedo 73). It
is apparently alluded to in the story of Er, where we are told that
‘the pilgrims drank the waters of Unmindfulness; the foolish took
too deep a draught, but the wise were more moderate’ (10. 621
A). In the Xth Book Glaucon is supposed to receive with
amazement Socrates’ confident assertion of immortality, although
a previous allusion to another state of existence has passed
unheeded (6. 498 D); and in earlier parts of the discussion (e.g. 2.
362; 3. 386), the censure which is passed on the common
representations of Hades implies in itself some belief in a future
life [cp. Introduction to Phaedo, Vol. I]. The argument for the
immortality of the soul is not drawn out at great length or with the
emphasis of the Phaedo. It is chiefly of a verbal character:—All
things which perish are destroyed by some inherent evil; but the
soul is not destroyed by sin, which is the evil proper to her, and
must therefore be immortal (cp. Introd. p. clxvi).
—The condition of the soul after death is represented by Plato in
his favourite form of a myth [cp. Meno 81; Phaedo 88; Gorg.
522]. The Pamphylian warrior Er, who is supposed to have died
in battle, revives when placed on the funeral pyre and relates his
experiences in the other world. He tells how the just are rewarded
and the wicked punished, and is privileged to describe the
spectacle which he had witnessed of the choice of a new life by
the pilgrim souls. The reward of release from bodily existence is
not held out to the philosopher (Phaedo 114 C), but his wisdom,
which has a deeper root than habit (10. 619), preserves him from
overhaste in his choice and ensures him a happy destiny.
—The transmigration of souls is represented in the myth much as
in the Phaedrus and Timaeus. Plato in all likelihood derived the
doctrine from an Oriental source, but through Pythagorean
channels. It probably had a real hold on his mind, as it agreed, or

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could be made to agree, with the conviction, which he elsewhere
expresses, of the remedial nature of punishment [cp. Protag. 323;
Gorg. 523–525].
Sounds in music, 7. 531 A.
Sparta. See Lacedaemon.
Spectator, the, unconsciously influenced by what he sees and hears, 10.
605, 606 [cp. Laws 2. 656 A, 659 C];
—the philosopher the spectator of all time and all existence, 6.
486 A [cp. Theaet. 173 E].
Spendthrifts, in Greek states, 8. 564.
Spercheius, the river-god, 3. 391 B.
Spirit, must be combined with gentleness in the guardians, 2. 375; 3. 410;
6. 503 [cp. Laws 5. 731 B]; characteristic of northern nations, 4.
435 E; found in quite young children, ib. 441 A [cp. Laws; 12. 373
963]:
—the spirited (or passionate) element in the soul, ib. 440 foll.; 6.
504 A; 8. 550 A; 9. 572 A, 580 E; must be subject to the rational
part, 4. 441 E [cp. Tim. 30 C, 70, 89 D]; predominant in the
timocratic state and man, 8. 548, 550 B; characterised by
ambition, 9. 581 B; its pleasures, ib. 586 D; the favourite object of
the poet’s imitation, 10. 604, 605.
Stars, motion of the, 7. 529, 530; 10. 616 E.
State, relation of, to the individual, 2. 368; 4. 434, 441; 5. 462; 8. 544; 9.
577 B [cp. Laws 3. 689; 5. 739; 9. 875, 877 C; 11. 923]; origin of,
2. 369 foll. [cp. Laws 3. 678 foll.]; should be in unity, 4. 422; 5.
463 [cp. Laws 5. 739]; place of the virtues in, 4. 428 foll.; virtue
of state and individual, ib. 441; 6. 498 E; family life in, 5. 449
[cp. Laws 5. 740]:
—the luxurious state, 2. 372 D foll.:
—[the best state]; classes must be kept distinct, ib. 374; 3. 379 E,
415 A; 4. 421, 433 A, 434, 441 E, 443; 5. 453 (cp. 8. 552 A, and

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Laws 8. 846 E); the rulers must be philosophers, 2. 376; 5. 473; 6.
484, 497 foll., 501, 503 B; 7. 520, 521, 525 B, 540; 8. 543 (cp.
Rulers); the government must have the monopoly of lying, 2. 382;
3. 389 A, 414 C; 5. 459 D [cp. Laws 2. 663 E]; the poets to be
banished, 3. 398 A; 8. 568 B; 10. 595 foll., 605 A, 607 A [cp.
Laws 7. 817]; the older must bear rule, the younger obey, 3. 412
[cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714 E]; women, children, and goods to be
common, ib. 416; 5. 450 E, 457 foll., 462, 464; 8. 543 A [cp.
Laws 5. 739; 7. 807 B]; must be happy as a whole, 4. 420 D; 5.
466 A; 7. 519 E; will easily master other states in war, 4. 422;
must be of a size which is not inconsistent with unity, ib. 423 [cp.
Laws 5. 737]; composed of three classes, traders, auxiliaries,
counsellors, ib. 441 A; may be either a monarchy or an
aristocracy, ib. 445 C (cp. 9. 576 D); will form one family, 5. 463
[cp. Pol. 259]; will be free from quarrels and law-suits, 2. 378; 5.
464, 465;
—is it possible? 5. 471, 473; 6. 499; 7. 540 [cp. 7. 520 and Laws
4. 711 E; 5. 739]; framed after the heavenly pattern, 6. 500 E; 7.
540 A; 9. 592; how to be commenced, 6. 501; 7. 540; manner of
its decline, 8. 546 [cp. Crit. 120];
—the best state that in which the rulers least desire office, 7. 520,
521:
—the four imperfect forms of states, 4. 445 B; 8. 544 [cp. Pol.
291 foll., 391 foll.]; succession of states, 8. 545 foll. (cp.
Government, forms of):
—existing states not one but many, 4. 423 A; nearly all corrupt, 6.
496; 7. 519, 520; 9. 592.
State. [The polity of which Plato ‘sketches the outline’ in the Republic
may be analysed into two principal elements, I, an Hellenic state
of the older or Spartan type, with some traits borrowed from
Athens, II, an ideal city in which the citizens have all things in
common, and the government is carried on by a class of
philosopher rulers who are selected by merit. These two elements
are not perfectly combined; and, as Aristotle complains (Pol. ii. 5,
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—I. Like Hellenic cities in general, the number of the citizens is
not to be great. The size of the state is limited by the requirement
that ‘it shall not be larger or smaller than is consistent with
unity.’ [The ‘convenient number’ 5040, which is 374 suggested in
the Laws (v. 737), is regarded by Aristotle (Pol. ii. 6, § 6) as an
‘enormous multitude.’] Again, the individual is subordinate to the
state. When Adeimantus complains of the hard life which the
citizens will lead, ‘like mercenaries in a garrison’ (4. 419), he is
answered by Socrates that if the happiness of the whole is
secured, the happiness of the parts will inevitably follow. Once
more, war is supposed to be the normal condition of the state, and
military service is imposed upon all. The profession of arms is the
only one in which the citizen may properly engage. Trade is
regarded as dishonourable:—‘those who are good for nothing
else sit in the Agora buying and selling’ (2. 371 D); the warrior
can spare no time for such an employment (ib. 374 C). [In the
Laws Plato’s ideas enlarge; he thinks that peace is to be preferred
to war (1. 628); and he speculates on the possibility of redeeming
trade from reproach by compelling some of the best citizens to
open a shop or keep a tavern (11. 918).]—In these respects, as
well as in the introduction of common meals, Plato was probably
influenced by the traditional ideal of Sparta [cp. Introd. p. clxx].
The Athenian element appears in the intellectual training of the
citizens, and generally in the atmosphere of grace and refinement
which they are to breathe (see s. v. Art). The restless energy of the
Athenian character is perhaps reflected in the discipline imposed
upon the ruling class (7. 540), who when they have reached fifty
are dispensed from continuous public service, but must then
devote themselves to abstract study, and also be willing to take
their turn when necessary at the helm of state [cp. Laws 7. 807;
Thucyd. i. 70; ii. 40].
—II. The most peculiar features of Plato’s state are (1) the
community of property, (2) the position of women, (3) the
government of philosophers. (1) The first (see s. v.), though
suggested in some measure by the example of Sparta or Crete [cp.
Arist. Pol. ii. 5, § 6], is not known to have been actually practised

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anywhere in Hellas, unless possibly among such a body as the
Pythagorean brotherhood. (2) Nothing in all the Republic was
probably stranger to his contemporaries than the place which
Plato assigns to women in the state. The community of wives and
children, though carefully guarded by him from the charge of
licentiousness (5. 458 E), would appear worse in Athenian eyes
than the traditional ‘licence’ of the Spartan women [Arist. Pol. ii.
9, § 5), which, so far as it really existed, no doubt arose out of an
excessive regard to physical considerations in marriage. Again,
the equal share in education, in war, and in administration which
the women are supposed to enjoy in Plato’s state, was, if not so
revolting, quite as contrary to common Hellenic sentiment [cp.
Thucyd. ii. 45]. The Spartan women exercised a great influence
on public affairs, but this was mainly indirect [cp. Laws 7. 806;
Arist. Pol. ii. 9, § 8]; they did not hold office or learn the use of
arms. At Athens, as is well known, the women, of the upper
classes at least, lived in an almost Oriental seclusion, and were
wholly absorbed in household duties (Laws 7. 805 E). (3) Finally,
the government of philosophers had no analogy in the Hellenic
world of 375 Plato’s time. He may have taken the suggestion from
the stories of the Pythagorean rule in Magna Graecia. But it is
also possible that these accounts of the brotherhood of
Pythagoras, some of which have reached us on very doubtful
authority, may be themselves to a considerable extent coloured
and distorted by features adapted from the Republic. Whether this
is the case or not, we can hardly doubt that Plato was chiefly
indebted to his own imagination for his kingdom of philosophers,
or that it remained to himself an ideal, rather than a state which
would ever ‘play her part in actual life’ (Tim. 19, 20). It is at
least significant that he never finished the Critias, as though he
were unable to embody, even in a mythical form, the ‘city of
which the pattern is laid up in heaven.’]
Statesmen in their own imagination, 4. 426.
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Steadiness of character, apt to be accompanied by stupidity, 6. 503 [cp.
Theaet. 144 B].
Stesichorus, says that Helen was never at Troy, 9. 586 C.
Stories, improper, not to be told to children, 2. 377; 3. 391. Cp. Children,
Education.
Strength, rule of, 1. 338.
Style of poetry, 3. 392;
—styles, various, ib. 397.
Styx, 3. 387 B.
Suits, will be unknown in the best state, 5. 464 E.
Sumptuary laws, 4. 423, 425.
Sun, the, compared with the idea of good, 6. 508; not sight, but the author
of sight, ib. 509;
—‘the sun of Heracleitus,’ ib. 498 A.
Supposititious son, parable of the, 7. 538.
Sympathy, of soul and body, 5. 462 D, 464 B; aroused by poetry, 10. 605
B.
Syracusan dinners, 3. 404 D.

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T.

Tactics, use of arithmetic in, 7. 522 E, 525 B.
Tartarus ( = hell), 10. 616 A.
Taste, good, importance of, 3. 401, 402.
Taxes, heavy, imposed by the tyrant, 8. 567 A, 568 E.
Teiresias, alone has understanding among the dead, 3. 386 E.
Telamon, 10. 620 B.
Temperance (σωφροσύνη), in the state, 3. 389; 4. 430 foll. [cp. Laws 3.
696]; temperance and love, 3. 403 A; fostered in the soul by the
simple kind of music, ib. 404 E, 410 A; a harmony of the soul, 4.
430, 441 E, 442 D, 443 (cp. 9. 591 D, and Laws 2. 653 B); one of
the philosopher’s virtues, 6. 485 E, 490 E, 491 B, 494 B [cp.
Phaedo 68].
Temple-robbing, 9. 574 D, 575 B.
Territory, devastation of Hellenic, not to be allowed, 5. 470;
—unlimited, not required by the good state, 4. 423 [cp. Laws 5.
737].
Thales, inventions of, 10. 600 A.
Thamyras, soul of, chooses the life of a nightingale, 10. 620 A.
Theages, the bridle of, 6. 496 B.
Themis, did not instigate the strife with the gods, 2. 379 E.
Themistocles, answer of, to the Seriphian, 1. 330 A.
Theology of Plato, 2. 379 foll. Cp. God.
Thersites, puts on the form of a monkey, 10. 620 C.

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Theseus, the tale of, and Peirithous not permitted, 3. 391 C.
Thetis, not to be slandered, 2. 381 D; 376 her accusation of Apollo, ib. 383
A.
Thirst, 4. 437 E, 439; an inanition (κένωσις) of the body, 9. 585 A.
Thracians, procession of, in honour of Bendis, 1. 327 A; characterised by
spirit or passion, 4. 435 E.
Thrasymachus, the Chalcedonian, a person in the dialogue, 1. 328 B;
described, ib. 336 B; will be paid, ib. 337 D; defines justice, ib.
338 C foll.; his rudeness, ib. 343 A; his views of government,
ibid. (cp. 9. 590 D); his encomium on injustice, 1. 343 A; his
manner of speech, ib. 345 B; his paradox about justice and
injustice, ib. 348 B foll.; he blushes, ib. 350 D; is pacified, and
retires from the argument, ib. 354 (cp. 6. 498 C); would have
Socrates discuss the subject of women and children, 5. 450.
Timocracy, 8. 545 foll.; origin of, ib. 547:
—the timocratical man, described, 8. 549; his origin, ibid.
Tinker, the prosperous, 6. 495, 496.
Tops, 4. 436.
Torch race, an equestrian, 1. 328 A.
Touch, 7. 523 E.
Traders, necessary in the state, 2. 371.
Traditions of ancient times, their truth not certainly known to us, 2. 382 C
(cp. 3. 414 C, and Tim. 40 D; Crit. 107; Pol. 271 A; Laws 4. 713
E; 6. 782 D).
Tragedy and comedy in the state, 3. 394 [cp. Laws 7. 817].
Tragic poets, the, eulogizers of tyranny, 8. 568 A; imitators, 10. 597, 598.
Training, dangers of, 3. 404 A; severity of, 6. 504 A (cp. 7. 535 B).

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Transfer of children from one class to another, 3. 415; 4. 423 D.
Transmigration of souls, 10. 617. See Soul.
Trochaic rhythms, 3. 400 B.
Troy, 3. 393 E; Helen never at, 9. 586 C:
—Trojan War, 2. 380 A: treatment of the wounded in, 3. 405 E,
408 A; the army numbered by Palamedes, 7. 522 D.
Truth, is not lost by men of their own will, 3. 413 A; the aim of the
philosopher, 6. 484, 485, 486 E, 490, 500 C, 501 D; 7. 521, 537
D; 9. 581, 582 C (cp. supra 5. 475 E; 7. 520, 525; and Phaedo 82;
Phaedr. 249; Theaet. 173 E; Soph. 249 D, 254 A); akin to
wisdom, 6. 485 D; to proportion, ib. 486 E; no partial measure of,
sufficient, ib. 504; love of, essential in this world and the next, 10.
618;
—truth and essence, 9. 585 D.
Tyranny, 1. 338 D; = injustice on the grand scale, ib. 344 [cp. Gorg. 469];
the wretchedest form of government, 8. 544 C; 9. 576 [cp. Pol.
302 E]; origin of, 8. 562, 564:
—the tyrannical man, 9. 571 foll.; life of, ib. 573; his treatment of
his parents, ib. 574; most miserable, ib. 576, 578; has the soul of a
slave, ib. 577.
Tyrant, the, origin of, 8. 565; happiness of, ib. 566 foll.; 9. 576 foll. [cp.
Laws 2. 661 B]; his rise to power, 8. 566; his taxes, ib. 567 A, 568
E; his army, ib. 567 A, 569; his purgation of the city, ib. 567 B;
misery of, 9. 579; has no real pleasure, ib. 587; how far distant
from pleasure, ibid.:
—Tyrants and poets, 8. 568; have no friends, ibid.; 9. 576 [cp.
Gorg. 510 C]; punishment of, in the world below, 10. 615 [cp.
Gorg. 525].

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U.

Understanding, a faculty of the soul, 6. 511 D; = science, 7. 533 E.
Union impossible among the bad, 1. 352 A [cp. Lysis 214]. 377

Unity of the state, 4. 422, 423; 5. 462, 463 [cp. Laws 5. 739];
—absolute unity, 7. 524 E, 525 E; unity and plurality, ibid.
Unjust man, the, happy (Thrasymachus), 1. 343, 344 [cp. Gorg. 470
foll.]; his unhappiness finally proved, 9. 580; 10. 613:
—injustice = private profit, 1. 344 (see Injustice).
Uranus, immoral stories about, 2. 377 E.
User, the, a better judge than the maker, 10. 601 C [cp. Crat. 390].
Usury, sometimes not protected by law, 8. 556 A [cp. Laws 5. 742 C].

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V.

Valetudinarianism, 3. 406; 4. 426 A.
Valour, prizes of, 5. 468.
Vice, the disease of the soul, 4. 444; 10. 609 foll. [cp. Soph. 228; Pol. 296
D; Laws 10. 906 C]; is many, 4. 445; the proper object of ridicule,
5. 452 E;
—fine names for the vices, 8. 560 E. Cp. Injustice.
Virtue and justice, 1. 350 [cp. Meno 73 E, 79]; thought by mankind to be
toilsome, 2. 364 A [cp. Laws 807 D]; virtue and harmony, 3. 401
A (cp. 7. 522 A); virtue and pleasure, 3. 402 E (cp. Pleasure); not
promoted by excessive care of the body, ib. 407 (cp. 9. 591 D);
makes men wise, 3. 409 E; divided into parts, 4. 428 foll., 433; in
the individual and the state, ib. 435 foll., 441 (cp. Justice); the
health of the soul, ib. 444 (cp. 10. 609 foll., and Soph. 228; Pol.
296 D); is one, ib. 445; may be a matter of habit, 7. 518 E; 10.
619 D; impeded by wealth, 8. 550 E [cp. Laws 5. 728 A, 742; 8.
831, 836 A];
—virtues of the philosopher, 6. 485 foll., 490 D, 491 B, 494 B
(cp. Philosopher); place of the several virtues in the state, 4. 427
foll.
Visible world, divisions of, 6. 510 foll.; 7. 517; compared to the
intellectual, 6. 508, 509; 7. 532 A.
Vision, 5. 477; 6. 508; 7. 517. See Sight.

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W.

War, causes of, 2. 373; 4. 422 foll.; 8. 547 A; an art, 2. 374 A (cp. 4. 422,
and Laws 11. 921 E); men, women, and children to go to, 5. 452
foll., 467, 471 E; 7. 537 A; regulations concerning, 5. 467–471; a
matter of chance, ib. 467 E [cp. Laws 1. 638 A]; distinction
between internal and external, ib. 470 A [cp. Laws 1. 628, 629];
the guilt of, always confined to a few persons, ib. 471 B; love of,
especially characteristic of timocracy, 8. 547 E; cannot be easily
waged by an oligarchy, ib. 551 E; the rich and the poor in war, ib.
556 C; a favourite resource of the tyrant, ib. 567 A.
Warrior, the brave, rewards of, 5. 468; his burial, ib. E; the warrior must
know how to count, 7. 522 E, 525; must be a geometrician, ib.
526.
Waves, the three, 5. 457 C, 472 A, 473 C.
Weak, the, by nature subject to the strong, 1. 338 [cp. Gorg. 489; Laws 3.
690 B]; not capable of much, either for good or evil, 6. 491 E, 495
B.
Wealth, the advantage of, in old age, 1. 329, 330; the greatest blessing of,
ib. 330, 331; the destruction of the arts, 4. 421; influence of, on
the state, ib. 422 A [cp. Laws 4. 705; 5. 729 A]; the ‘sinews of
war,’ ibid.; all-powerful in oligarchies and timocracies, 8. 548 A,
551 B, 553, 562 A; an impediment to virtue, 378 ib. 550 E [cp.
Laws 5. 728 A; 742 E; 8. 831, 836 A]; should only be acquired to
a moderate amount, 9. 591 E [cp. Laws 7. 801 B]:
—the blind god of wealth (Pluto), 8. 554 B:
—Wealthy, the, everywhere hostile to the poor, 4. 423 A; 8. 551 E
[cp. Laws 5. 736 A]; flattered by them, 5. 465 C; the wealthy and
the wise, 6. 489 B; plundered by the multitude in democracies, 8.
564, 565.
Weaving, the art of, 3. 401 A; 5. 455 D.

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Weep, the guardians not to, 3. 387 C (cp. 10. 603 E).
Weighing, art of, corrects the illusions of sight, 10. 602 D.
Whole, the, in regard to the happiness of the state, 4. 420 D; 5. 466 A; 7.
519 E; in love, 5. 474 C, 475 B; 6. 485 B.
Whorl, the great, 10. 616.
Wicked, the, punishment of, in the world below, 2. 363; 10. 614; thought
by men to be happy, 1. 354; 2. 364 A; 3. 392 B (cp. 8. 545 A, and
Gorg. 470 foll.; Laws 2. 66 1; 10. 899 E, 905 A).
Wine, lovers of, 5. 475 A.
Wisdom (σοφία, φρόνησις) and injustice, 1. 349, 350; in the state, 4. 428;
akin to truth, 6. 485 D; the power of, 7. 518, 519; the only virtue
which is innate in us, ib. 518 E.
Wise man, the, = the good, 1. 350 [cp. 1 Alcib. 124, 125]; definition of, 4.
442 C; alone has true pleasure, 9. 583 B; life of, ib. 591;
—‘the wise to go to the doors of the rich,’ 6. 489 B;
—wise men said to be the friends of the tyrant, 8. 568.
Wives to be common in the state, 5. 457 foll.; 8. 543.
Wolves, men changed into, 8. 565 D; ‘wolf and flock’ (proverb), 3. 415
D.
Women, employments of, 5. 455; differences of taste in, ib. 456; fond of
complaining, 8. 549 D; supposed to differ in nature from men, 5.
453; inferior to men, ib. 455 [cp. Tim. 42; Laws 6. 781]; ought to
be trained like men, ib. 451, 466 [cp. Laws 7. 805; 8. 829 E]; in
the gymnasia, ib. 452, 457 [cp. Laws 7. 813, 814; 8. 833]; in war,
ib. 453 foll., 466 E, 471 E [cp. Laws 6. 785; 7. 806, 814 A]; to be
guardians, ib. 456, 458, 468; 7. 540 C; (and children) to be
common, 5. 450 E, 457 foll., 462, 464; 8. 543 [cp. Laws 5. 739].
See supra s. v. State, p. 374.
World, the, cannot be a philosopher, 6. 494 A.

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World below, the, seems very near to the aged, 1. 330 E; not to be
reviled, 3. 386 foll. [cp. Crat. 403; Laws 5. 727 E; 8. 828 D];
pleasure of discourse in, 6. 498 D [cp. Apol. 41]; punishment of
the wicked in, 2. 363; 10. 614 foll.; sex in, 10. 618 B;
—[heroes] who have ascended from the world below to the gods,
7. 521 C.

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X.

Xerxes, perhaps author of the maxim that justice = paying one’s debts, 1.
336 A.

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Y.

Young, the, how affected by the common praises of injustice, 2. 365;
cannot understand allegory, ib. 378 E; must be subject in the state,
3. 412 B [cp. Laws 3. 690 A; 4. 714 E]; must submit to their
elders, 5. 465 A [cp. Laws 4. 721 D; 9. 879 C; 11. 917 A]. Cp.
Children, Education.
Youth, the corruption of, not to be attributed to the Sophists, but to 379
public opinion, 6. 492 A;
—youthful enthusiasm for metaphysics, 7. 539 B [cp. Phil. 15 E];
—youthful scepticism, not of long continuance, ib. D [cp. Soph.
234 E; Laws 10. 888 B].

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Z.

Zeus, his treatment of his father, 2. 377 E; throws Hephaestus from
heaven, ib. 378 D;
—Achilles descended from, 3. 391 C;
—did not cause the violation of the treaty in the Trojan War, or
the strife of the gods, 2. 379 E; or send the lying dream to
Agamemnon, ib. 383 A; or lust for Herè, 3. 390 B; ought not to
have been described by Homer as lamenting for Achilles and
Sarpedon, ib. 388 C;
—Lycaean Zeus, 8. 565 D;
—Olympian Zeus, 9. 583 B.

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